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buffy-digest          Tuesday, April 28 1998          Volume 02 : Number 245



In this issue:

       Re: BUFFY: Great SMG Photo
       BUFFY: MY NEW BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER SITE
       Re: BUFFY: BB Mag?
       BUFFY: MAD MAGAZINE parody (a few issues ago)
       Re: BUFFY: BB?!?!?!?!
       Re: BUFFY: Spin-off?
       Re: BUFFY: Spin-off?
       Re: BUFFY: The Buffy Cross & Stake Updates
       Re: BUFFY: the end of innocence
       Re: BUFFY: Nyah Nyah Nyah Nyah....Look What I got...
       Re: BUFFY: Willow
       BUFFY: Song on Halloween
       BUFFY: Website Update - Links, Mailing Lists, ASHFC, GASP!
       BUFFY: Last night's ep -- spoilers
       Re: BUFFY: Last night's ep -- spoilers
       BUFFY: Link to Ultimate TV season final spoiler
       Re: Re: BUFFY: Site advertisements
       BUFFY: ADMIN:  Netiquette & Housekeeping

See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy
or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues.

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 02:38:03 EDT
From: GCarras <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Great SMG Photo

In a message dated 98-04-24 13:07:41 EDT, you write:

<< Subj:     BUFFY: Great SMG Photo
 Date:    98-04-24 13:07:41 EDT
 From:    [e-mail] (Paula Cobb)
 Sender:    [e-mail]
 Reply-to:    [e-mail] (Paula Cobb)
 To:    [e-mail]

 There is a gorgeous close-up shot of
 Sarah in the latest issue of BB mag.
 It is a super close-up, and she looks
 absolutely radiant with very lightened
 hair, a brilliant smile and a very happy expression on her face.
 There are also <be still my heart> great
 photos of DB and Nicky in H'WOOD's
 HOTTEST HUNKS.  Probably the best
 pic I've ever seen of Nicky... and DB -
 well, he always looks damn good to me!
 (Although I do wish he'd lose the goatee
 and too-spiked hair.  Wow, did I really
 just make fun of David?  Proof positive
 that I am in need of a new Buffy episode;
 I am counting the nanoseconds until
 IOHEFY airs!!)

 BTW - that little bitty ad in TV GUIDE
 irritates me.  Hardly anything to catch
 the eye, is it?  Not even a new photo
 of Buffy & Angel in the ad.
 Still, the premise is fixed in my head
 as "this is gonna be a good one" - hope >>
Foprgot to reply-or ask,rather,what's BB (someone else asked this too.) Big
Bopper Magazine/(Tiger Beat type magazine)?

Steve

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 02:39:56 EDT
From: GCarras <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: MY NEW BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER SITE

Hey, you can check this out,<a
href="http://members.aol.com/Spiced8913/buffy.html">all Buffy Fans...</a>.It's
in progress,but it's a good site!(Need info on the actors..besides the
females..:))

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 02:42:21 EDT
From: GCarras <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: BB Mag?

In a message dated 98-04-24 15:40:51 EDT, you write:

<< Subj:     BUFFY: BB Mag?
 Date:    98-04-24 15:40:51 EDT
 From:    [e-mail] (Bruce McMicking)
 Sender:    [e-mail]
 Reply-to:    [e-mail] (Bruce McMicking)
 To:    [e-mail] (newsgroup)

 > There is a gorgeous close-up shot of
 > Sarah in the latest issue of BB mag.

 I'm having trouble dealing with all the short forms you people use ~
 what the heck is "BB"?

 Bruce
  >>
I'm pretty sure it's one of thsoe TIGER BEAT-esque teenybopper mags,BIG
BOPPER.

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 02:29:41 EDT
From: GCarras <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: MAD MAGAZINE parody (a few issues ago)

It was a hilarious cover storey. Good art. The title? Busty the Vampire
Spayer.

Anyone see it?

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 02:45:26 EDT
From: GCarras <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: BB?!?!?!?!

In a message dated 98-04-26 21:49:45 EDT, you write:

<< Subj:     Re: BUFFY: BB?!?!?!?!
 Date:    98-04-26 21:49:45 EDT
 From:    [e-mail] (Lizza M Morales 98)
 Sender:    [e-mail]
 Reply-to:    [e-mail] (Lizza M Morales 98)
 To:    [e-mail] (Bruce McMicking)
 CC:    [e-mail] (newsgroup)

 Just wanted to clear the "BB" question..back in the day when I was hooked
 ont hose teeny bopper mags "BB" was the abbreviation for Big Bopper
 Magazine. However, it seems that today it just goes by BB on the cover.
 Hope this helps
 Lizza


That's what I thought. Hope this clears it up for EVERYONE who wondered.


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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 02:54:20 EDT
From: GCarras <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Spin-off?

In a message dated 98-04-27 02:37:03 EDT, you write:

<< Subj:     Re: BUFFY: Spin-off?
 Date:    98-04-27 02:37:03 EDT
 From:    [e-mail] (a a a)
 Sender:    [e-mail]
 Reply-to:    [e-mail] (a a a)
 To:    [e-mail], [e-mail]

 Smellcore <[e-mail]> wrote:
 >A spin-off may be in the works for Buffy in case you hadn't heard. I
 read
 >somewhere that someone connected to the show (I can't remember who
 exactly
 >because I forgot where I read it) said something like "who do you think
 it's
 >going to be about? " I think the article went on to say something like
 >"where
 >do you think the fan base is" I really can't remember. If anyone knows,
 by >the
 >way, where this article is LET ME KNOW!!! My question is, who do you
 guys
 >think the person meant? I mean it was pretty vague and I was just
 wondering
 >who they could have been alluding to.

 I personally would like to see Angel's history.  I don't think there >>

How about a Willow series?(After all,as some may have read in television
history books, in the fifties another series,before my time,but I know all
about it,about a shy type at school in fact a teacher,played by late comic
actor Wally Cox (1924-1973 and best known as the voice behind Underdog) )
titled MR.PEEPERS (1952-55,-same time as another school-based show,OUR MISS
BROOKS,with Eve Arden,(1912-95),whose later roles include the Grease
teacher!-again before my time,I was born in 1960) was on TV.


This was before vrirtually all of us..but I think given at show's and
Underdog's success that Willow,too,could carry a TV series as a lead.).And
MANY types like WIllow have headlined TV shows and movies..thaat is,rather
denmure types.\


WILLOW is perhaps the best female supporting character,if not the best support
in the series.



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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 02:55:35 EDT
From: GCarras <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Spin-off?

In a message dated 98-04-27 02:37:03 EDT, you write:

<< Subj:     Re: BUFFY: Spin-off?
 Date:    98-04-27 02:37:03 EDT
 From:    [e-mail] (a a a)
 Sender:    [e-mail]
 Reply-to:    [e-mail] (a a a)
 To:    [e-mail], [e-mail]

 Smellcore <[e-mail]> wrote:
 >A spin-off may be in the works for Buffy in case you hadn't heard. I
 read
 >somewhere that someone connected to the show (I can't remember who
 exactly
 >because I forgot where I read it) said something like "who do you think
 it's
 >going to be about? " I think the article went on to say something like
 >"where
 >do you think the fan base is" I really can't remember. If anyone knows,
 by >the
 >way, where this article is LET ME KNOW!!! My question is, who do you
 guys
 >think the person meant? I mean it was pretty vague and I was just
 wondering
 >who they could have been alluding to.

 I personally would like to see Angel's history.  I don't think there >>
I meant wildcard's e-mail from moi for the group,BTW.

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 03:03:04 EDT
From: GCarras <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: The Buffy Cross & Stake Updates

In a message dated 98-04-25 23:18:35 EDT, you write:

<< Subj:     BUFFY: The Buffy Cross & Stake Updates
 Date:    98-04-25 23:18:35 EDT
 From:    [e-mail] (CatDancer8)
 Sender:    [e-mail]
 Reply-to:    [e-mail] (CatDancer8)
 To:    [e-mail]

 Hello, I got tired of all these spoiling things going on so I decided to put
 in a post that is totally off that subject.

 I've made TONS of updates on the web pages in the past few days. I've added
 tons of new pictures to all the picture sites. Even added a picture page for
 Joyce with 5 new pictures.
 You can reach all this at: http://members.aol.com/aglx/photos.html

 I'm also still working on the links page. (too many pages out there) But I've
 added tons over the past few days.
 http://members.aol.com/aglx/links.html

 You can get chat transcripts from all the most recent chat events at my
events
 page as well as an updated list of all the recent magazines that have have
 included Buffy stuff.  http://members.aol.com/aglx/events.html

 The spoiler page (opps, okay so I'm not totally off the topic) has been
 updated with all these new spoilers. (I'm keeping many of them off the page
 because they are soo rediculous. (hint, hint)
 All of the pages have been masively updated. I have the TV-Guide ad on the
 page too which you can get from the main page.

 So check out all the really cool stuff. Oh, yeah, I just got 20,000 total
hits
 on my site. Thank you to everyone who has been visiting. (the counter only
 says 10, but that's because I accidentally deleted the counter in
 March...oops!)

 Also send in your feedback, spoilers, and any info you can. I'm keeping a lst
 of all those who help me out for a credit page that is currently in the
works.
 Look for tons of other stuff coming soon!

 -Michelle
 http://members.aol.com/aglx/main.html

 -
  >>
Love Buffy..didnt even know about your site.I just added it. BTW who is Joyce?


I know of Jenny, Cordelia,Willow,and Buffy,but who is this other female.
<a href="http://members.aol.com/Spiced8913/buffy.html">My Buffy site</a>


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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 03:05:20 EDT
From: GCarras <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: the end of innocence

In a message dated 98-04-24 19:24:55 EDT, you write:

<< Subj:     BUFFY: the end of innocence
 Date:    98-04-24 19:24:55 EDT
 From:    [e-mail] (Quakik)
 Sender:    [e-mail]
 Reply-to:    [e-mail] (Quakik)
 To:    [e-mail]

 I just had to mention that the woman (Alice Faye) who sang in the film clip(
 from Stowaway w/Shirley Temple) at the end of innocence is like my favorite
 actress of all time! I thought it was so cool to show a clip from an old
 movie, especially one i know and love, in the show. okay i'm done now.

 Keena

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  >>
I love her too.Her husband ws Phil Harris,a very great comci and bandleader (I
have ha CD of his songs in my CD Rom player).You just inspired me to play
it!:)

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 03:08:42 EDT
From: GCarras <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Nyah Nyah Nyah Nyah....Look What I got...

In a message dated 98-04-28 02:51:29 EDT, you write:

<< Subj:    Re: BUFFY: Nyah Nyah Nyah Nyah....Look What I got...
 Date:    98-04-28 02:51:29 EDT
 From:    TknoPagan
 To:    GCarras

 In a message dated 4/27/98 11:37:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:
  Just curios,who'
  s Robia? (I'd love Charisma's,Alyson';s,and Sarha's pictures myself!) >>

 Robia LaMorte would be the beautiful Ms. Jenny Calendar.

 Jason
  >>
AHH!:)BTW good thing my message got through..on the mailing lists for a month
or two,getting mail and seeing my mail there for the FIRST TIME! )(Such as the
letter you just responded to.:))

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 03:11:28 EDT
From: GCarras <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Willow

In a message dated 98-04-28 02:41:07 EDT, you write:

<< Subj:     Re: BUFFY: Willow
 Date:    98-04-28 02:41:07 EDT
 From:    [e-mail] (Lupe Mejia)



  >>
Subj:     Re: BUFFY: Willow
Date:    98-04-28 02:41:07 EDT
From:    [e-mail] (Lupe Mejia)
To:    [e-mail] (GCarras)

Robia is Ms. Calendar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I've already seen another of your respnsoes that said it,and I recall now from
reading in print and in the show crdits.Thanks  for both responsoes and
others.

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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 10:28:39 EDT
From: JenDawsonL <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: Song on Halloween

I got this from Domain of the Slain. They have an awsome list of songs from
episodes.

"How She Died" by Treble Charger

After the spell is broken and everybody is restored to their normal
selves, Willow is revived and tosses away her costume as this song
starts in the background. It ends after she walks past Oz's van. Treble
Charger performs the tune, and it can be found on their album Maybe It's
Me.

á

"How She Died"

You got the best of me
For what took so long
The things you put me through
Seemed to be so wrong
You took your pride, cause Bobby loves you
You said you tried, but you can't prove it

I close my eyes
I don't want to find out how she died
It's foolish pride
You can't expect to turn our way at night

You've seen the last of me
Don't have to take my hand
You shouldn't try so hard, so hard to understand
I see the end just waiting for me
No time to spend, to doubt a moment

I close my eyes
I don't want to find out how she died
You can't expect to turn our way at night

I can't stand, you agonize
I wouldn't mind to apologize
Far beyond your sense of play
It's anywhere and everywhere

I close my eyes
I don't want to find out how she died
You can't expect to turn our way at night

I close my eyes
I don't want to find out how she died
You can't expect to turn out way at night

Performed by Treble Charger

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:37:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sonja Marie <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: Website Update - Links, Mailing Lists, ASHFC, GASP!

Halo!

This is my usual Buffy Night Post:

This message contains info on Sonja Marie's Buffy Links Page, ASH/Giles
Mailing list, The ASHFC, GASPers, and the Buffy Beta Fanfic List.
*****

Sonja Marie's Buffy the Vampire Slayer Links

I have added 33 more URLS to my Buffy Links Page at:
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/7728/btvsurls.html

There are now 920 pages listed!

And if you are so inclined, PLEASE sign my guestbook!

If you have a page for the show or cast members and IT IS NOT LISTED
already, please send me the URLS and I will add them.
*****

The Anthony Stewart Head Mailing List

Are you a fan of Anthony Stewart Head?  Giles?  Oliver from VR5? Then the
Anthony Stewart Head List is for you!  We talk about all his work, share
fanfic stories related to Giles and Oliver, etc.

To join:
1. Send an email to [e-mail] or [e-mail]
2. in the message put S*BSCRIBE ASH-GASP or S*BSCRIBE ASH-GASP-DIGEST

*****

The Anthony Stewart Head Fan Club (ASHFC)

The Anthony Stewart Head is now ready to accept money to join the fan
club, $18 US a year, joining gives you the following benefits:
The newsletters
An autograph picture of Tony
Able to  send in questions to Tony that will be answered in the
newsletters
Contests (which Tony will provide signed prizes)
And more...

We have been approved to make merchandize that members can buy, such as:
Shirts
Buttons
Posters
Key Chains
Bumper Stickers
And probably more...

This will only be availible to members of the ASHFC (though the GASP!
merchandise will be availible to the members of the internet club.)

If you are interested in joining the ASHFC (The Official Anthony Stewart
Head (Offline) Fan Club), please email me your REAL NAME and email address
PRIVATELY, and I'll email you with the form to fill out to join, the
address to mail your check to join, and the name to make the check out to.

More later!
*****
Wanna Join the Giles' Appreciation Society Panters?

Are you a fan of Giles? Anthony Stewart Head?  Then the GASPers is the
group for you!  We are a group of fans who share a common interest namely
Giles/ASH, we are also the official Keepers of Giles' Stuff.

Check out our Home Page at:
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/7728/gaspers.html

(PS - there is a picture of me and Anthony on the front page :D).

IMPORTANT NOTE: Only those who email me about becoming GASPers and follow
the directions I send them will be considered real Keepers in my eyes.

To join email me PRIVATELY at [e-mail] and I'll send you the
info on how to join.

NOTE: It might take me awhile, but I will get back to you, I promise.

*****
The Buffy Beta Fan Fic List

Want a place to post you unfinished work so other can read it and help you
get it ready for others to read?  Then this is the place for you!

This is a place where you can get your work critiqued, etc.  We will
except  all Buffy and related stories and VR5 related stories (IF Oliver
Sampson is the main character).

To join:
1. send a email to [e-mail] or [e-mail]
2. in the message put S*BSCRIBE BUFFY-BETA or S*BSCRIBE BUFFY-BETA-DIGEST

Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html
Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html
Owner of the Jeff Fahey, Paul Wylie, Anthony S. Head, & Buffy-Beta Lists
Pres. of Giles' Appreciation Society Panters - GASP!- Keeper of Coats & Ties
Anthony Stewart Head (Giles-BTVS) About What Fans Sent Him in the Mail:
"Fair amount of lingerie, yeah, all of which I tried, none of which fitted"

















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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:28:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jennifer McDonnell <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: Last night's ep -- spoilers

It's times like this when I *love* being a Canadian!

 SPOILERS AHEAD
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Ok, I hope that's enough room.  Last nite's show was pretty good. I guess
I've been anticipating this new episode for quite a while, so it was
pretty hard to live up to my high hopes.  But it definitely had its
moments: we see how Giles is still devasted by Jenny's death, (he is stuck
with the idea that the ghost haunting the school is her, and even though
there is so much evidence to the contrary, he refuses to believe
otherwise).  We also see how guilty Buffy feels about what happened to
Angel; she blames the whole thing on herself, and believes that she never
deserves forgiveness. The climax, when Buffy and Angel assume the roles of
the ghosts, was excellent, but I just wish that they hadn't put in so many
flashbacks and just let us watch Buffy and Angel play out the scene. It
was pretty cool though to see them kiss again, and when the ghosts leave
their bodies there's this moment when they both realize what their doing,
but then Bad Angel takes control of himself, and violently pushes her
away.
My only real complaint about the episode was that they seemed to
cram every possible character (except Oz) into this show.  Maybe they're
just trying to catch up after all the repeats, or maybe they have to set
us up for the season finale, but lots of stuff was revealed in just one
episode.  For instance, we find out that Principal Synder was appointed by
the Sunnydale City Council to cover-up knowledge about the Hellmouth, and
that Spike is better again, but he doesn't want to tell Angel.
Otherwise, the new episode was great.
Oh, and something else to look forward to: Angel and Dru get pretty HOT,
and finally, Buffy has decent hair!!

- -Jen


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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 04:36:47 PDT
From: "Travis Covert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Last night's ep -- spoilers

>It's times like this when I *love* being a Canadian!
Something I have always wondered....why do Canadians get to watch all of
the US TV shows a day early?  Well, not all of them....but a lot of
them.

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:26:29 EDT
From: RayneFire <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: Link to Ultimate TV season final spoiler

The Ultimate TV Dailey news has some spoiler info for the season finale.  I
don't know if it's old news or not since I've avoided spoilers, but I thought
I'd pass this on.

Go here for season finale spoilers:

http://www.ultimatetv.com/news/h/

- -Rayne

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:27:10 -0700
From: "Erika R" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: BUFFY: Site advertisements

And the Seth Green one is official also.

- -E



Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere!
http://www.mailexcite.com

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:54:25 -0400
From: sah <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: ADMIN:  Netiquette & Housekeeping

X-Sender: [e-mail]
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:45:06 -0500
To: [e-mail]
From: sah <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: ADMIN:  Netiquette/Housekeeping
Sender: [e-mail]
Reply-To: sah <[e-mail]>

GOING AWAY?

If you're going away for the holidays, please either set your subscription
to digest or uns*bscribe from the list.  It'll save everyone a lot of time
and trouble.  You can find instructions on how to uns*b on the buffy list
page or in the list rules which were posted in a separate note along with
this messages.

NETIQUETTE

In addition to the list rules, there are some netiquette conventions we are
asking people to observe.

1.  At a minimum please sign and put your email address at the bottom of
the post.  Some people's mailers strip out header information.

2.  Be aware that the default reply to for the list is to the original
sender.  Check your reply to: headers very carefully.

3.  Don't send test posts to the list.  Send a regular post with buffy
content instead--it will provide the same information and won't clutter up
the list.

HOUSEKEEPING

>From time to time an account starts bouncing.  If we get three bounces from
an address we uns*bscribe it because we get a bounce message from that
address for every message sent to the list if they aren't on digest.  This
results in *a lot* of bounce messages to wade through in the administrative
account.

If you find yourself mysteriously not receiving list mail it's due to
bounces, and no other reason.  If we are going to remove you for
disciplinary reasons you will be notified.

Here are the reasons behind bounce uns*bs.

1.  Full mailbox.

This affects AOL users more than anyone else, though I suspect it's a
factor for Juno, WebTV, and Hotmail users as well.  These accounts have
limited mailbox space and fill up quickly when not checked regularly.  When
that happens messages start bouncing.

Both Jill and I strongly recommend that you go to digest if you do not have
the opportunity to clean out your mailbox every day.  Not only will it make
us happy to not have to deal with bounces, it'll probably make your ISP
happy as well.

2.  Local configuration problems

Sometimes an ISP goes down for no reason for a while, and we will receive
bounces from an address.  Your best bet is to contact customer support when
that happens, then res*bscribe to the list once the problem is cleared up.

IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE BEEN UNS*BBED

Take the following steps in the order in which they appear if you think
you've been uns*bbed for bouncing.

1.  Send a message to [e-mail] with s*bscribe buffy (or
buffy-digest) in the body.  If you are s*bscribed, you'll get a message
back telling you that you are.  If you have been uns*bscribed, this will
start the process to get you back onto the list.

2.  Contact me ([e-mail]) or Jill ([e-mail]) for help.
We will do what we can ASAP to help you out.

3.  DO NOT send a test message to the list.  You may send a buffy-related
post to the list to test, but not a test message.

If you have any questions or problems, please check out
http://www.mindspring.com/~romana/buffylist/index.html.  These pages
contain information about the buffy list.

Jill Kirby ([e-mail])
sah ([e-mail])
Listowners
&
Lisa Rose ([e-mail])
Assistant Listowner
Return-Path: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:22:21 -0500 (EST)
To: [e-mail]
From: [e-mail] (sah)
Subject: BUFFY: ADMIN:  Netiquette & Housekeeping
Sender: [e-mail]
Reply-To: [e-mail] (sah)

NETIQUETTE

In addition to the list rules, there are some netiquette conventions we are
asking people to observe.

1.  At a minimum please sign and put your email address at the bottom of
the post.  Some people's mailers strip out header information.

2.  Be aware that the default reply to for the list is to the original
sender.  Check your reply to: headers very carefully.

3.  Don't send test posts to the list.  Send a regular post with buffy
content instead--it will provide the same information and won't clutter up
the list.

HOUSEKEEPING

>From time to time an account starts bouncing.  If we get three bounces from
an address we uns*bscribe it because we get a bounce message from that
address for every message sent to the list if they aren't on digest.  This
results in *a lot* of bounce messages to wade through in the administrative
account.

If you find yourself mysteriously not receiving list mail it's due to
bounces, and no other reason.  If we are going to remove you for
disciplinary reasons you will be notified.

Here are the reasons behind bounce uns*bs.

1.  Full mailbox.

This affects AOL users more than anyone else, though I suspect it's a
factor for Juno, WebTV, and Hotmail users as well.  These accounts have
limited mailbox space and fill up quickly when not checked regularly.  When
that happens messages start bouncing.

Both Jill and I strongly recommend that you go to digest if you do not have
the opportunity to clean out your mailbox every day.  Not only will it make
us happy to not have to deal with bounces, it'll probably make your ISP
happy as well.

2.  Local configuration problems

Sometimes an ISP goes down for no reason for a while, and we will receive
bounces from an address.  Your best bet is to contact customer support when
that happens, then res*bscribe to the list once the problem is cleared up.

IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE BEEN UNS*BBED

Take the following steps in the order in which they appear if you think
you've been uns*bbed for bouncing.

1.  Send a message to [e-mail] with s*bscribe buffy (or
buffy-digest) in the body.  If you are s*bscribed, you'll get a message
back telling you that you are.  If you have been uns*bscribed, this will
start the process to get you back onto the list.

2.  Contact me ([e-mail]) or Jill ([e-mail]) for help.
We will do what we can ASAP to help you out.

3.  DO NOT send a test message to the list.  You may send a buffy-related
post to the list to test, but not a test message.

If you have any questions or problems, please check out
http://www.mindspring.com/~romana/buffylist/index.html.  These pages
contain information about the buffy list.

Jill Kirby ([e-mail])
&
sah ([e-mail])
Listowners
*
Lisa Rose ([e-mail])
Assistant Listowner
Return-Path: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:22:21 -0500 (EST)
To: [e-mail]
From: [e-mail] (sah)
Subject: BUFFY: ADMIN:  Netiquette & Housekeeping
Sender: [e-mail]
Reply-To: [e-mail] (sah)

NETIQUETTE

In addition to the list rules, there are some netiquette conventions we are
asking people to observe.

1.  At a minimum please sign and put your email address at the bottom of
the post.  Some people's mailers strip out header information.

2.  Be aware that the default reply to for the list is to the original
sender.  Check your reply to: headers very carefully.

3.  Don't send test posts to the list.  Send a regular post with buffy
content instead--it will provide the same information and won't clutter up
the list.

HOUSEKEEPING

>From time to time an account starts bouncing.  If we get three bounces from
an address we uns*bscribe it because we get a bounce message from that
address for every message sent to the list if they aren't on digest.  This
results in *a lot* of bounce messages to wade through in the administrative
account.

If you find yourself mysteriously not receiving list mail it's due to
bounces, and no other reason.  If we are going to remove you for
disciplinary reasons you will be notified.

Here are the reasons behind bounce uns*bs.

1.  Full mailbox.

This affects AOL users more than anyone else, though I suspect it's a
factor for Juno, WebTV, and Hotmail users as well.  These accounts have
limited mailbox space and fill up quickly when not checked regularly.  When
that happens messages start bouncing.

Both Jill and I strongly recommend that you go to digest if you do not have
the opportunity to clean out your mailbox every day.  Not only will it make
us happy to not have to deal with bounces, it'll probably make your ISP
happy as well.

2.  Local configuration problems

Sometimes an ISP goes down for no reason for a while, and we will receive
bounces from an address.  Your best bet is to contact customer support when
that happens, then res*bscribe to the list once the problem is cleared up.

IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE BEEN UNS*BBED

Take the following steps in the order in which they appear if you think
you've been uns*bbed for bouncing.

1.  Send a message to [e-mail] with s*bscribe buffy (or
buffy-digest) in the body.  If you are s*bscribed, you'll get a message
back telling you that you are.  If you have been uns*bscribed, this will
start the process to get you back onto the list.

2.  Contact me ([e-mail]) or Jill ([e-mail]) for help.
We will do what we can ASAP to help you out.

3.  DO NOT send a test message to the list.  You may send a buffy-related
post to the list to test, but not a test message.

If you have any questions or problems, please check out
http://www.mindspring.com/~romana/buffylist/index.html.  These pages
contain information about the buffy list.

Jill Kirby ([e-mail])
sah ([e-mail])
Listowners
&
Lisa Rose ([e-mail])
Buffy the Vampire Slayer Mailing List ([e-mail])


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