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Subject: buffy-digest V1 #530
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buffy-digest Wednesday, December 31 1997 Volume 01 : Number 530
In this issue:
BUFFY: New Year's Eve Bash and too many other things to mention...
Re: BUFFY: Spoilers (maybe)
BUFFY: RE: BUFFY- PREVIEW
BUFFY: Wanna chat with Spike?!?
Re: BUFFY: all a dream?
Re: BUFFY: do the do!!
BUFFY: Anastasia and Buffy--comparison
Re: BUFFY: SMG Dating Matthew Perry???????
BUFFY: Heylo POSSIBLE SPOILERS
Re:BUFFY:SMG Dating Matthew Perry???????
BUFFY: maybe a spoiler
BUFFY: Angel & Buffy - What's so wrong with it....
Re: BUFFY: maybe a spoiler
BUFFY: Xander vs. Chandler
BUFFY: the Willow bidness
Re: BUFFY: The Usual Suspects
BUFFY: Polls update
RE:BUFFY: Virginity
BUFFY: Buffy: Our Willow
BUFFY: New Buffy Poll at Total TV Online
Re: BUFFY: Angel & Buffy - What's so wrong with it....
BUFFY: Spoilers Buffy + Angel
Re: BUFFY: Angel & Buffy - What's so wrong with it....
BUFFY: Speculation - SPOILERS???
See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy
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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 23:07:53 -0600
From: Kasey Johns <slayerville@geocities.com>
Subject: BUFFY: New Year's Eve Bash and too many other things to mention...
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In addition to the big Q&A sessions, we'll be speculating on the upcoming
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your opinions and prepare to have them shattered... er, *debated* by the
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Over 20 have RSVPed that they'll be here. Forget Dick Clark and his Times
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Thanks... Slayerville.
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Bad vampires bite your neck. Good vampires bite other parts of your body.
--SMG on MTV Live, 11/21/97
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 00:31:30 EST
From: deathsfury@juno.com (J. BLACKSTONE)
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Spoilers (maybe)
Wow what is the deal with this statement? Drusilla deserved to be
stalked and tormented into madness for her Great Sins of being chaste,
pure and innocent. What Bizarro world are you in? Angelus was not a run
of the mill vampire. The whole point of the story of Drusilla and the
comments from the Master was that he was FAR worse that the run of the
mill vampires. He was a Prince of Demons with the Master being the King.
Angelus was the epitomy of EVIL that other vampires aspired to, and the
demon part of Angelus is still within him tempered with his soul which
makes for a tortured existence indeed.
Jesse B.
DEATHSFURY@JUNO.COM
>
>And anyways, I don't think Buffy has complete trust in Angel, still to
this
>day. I mean, what he did to Dru was a little unsettling, I'm sure.
(even
>tho she probably deserved getting thrown into insanity).
Kasey - slayerville@geocities.com Personal ICQ
>#5770018
>E-Mail Express - 5487411@pager.mirabilis.com BuffyICQ/Chatroom
>#5487411
>Buffy-Stargame List Owner, BuffyICQ Admin, and Keeper of Willow's
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 00:31:31 EST
From: deathsfury@juno.com (J. BLACKSTONE)
Subject: BUFFY: RE: BUFFY- PREVIEW
Funny I just got thru reading all the suggestions regarding who is the
one that betrays Buffy in the upcoming two-parter.
Everyone has Left out the most unlikely and obvious SUSPECT.
HER MOM.
Jesse B.
Just a thought
DEATHSFURY@juno.com
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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:38:54 -0800 (PST)
From: April Conway <aprilcareen@yahoo.com>
Subject: BUFFY: Wanna chat with Spike?!?
Hey, all you chat/Buffy lovers out there. Look what I found when I
went to a certain site:
> Upcoming LIVE Star Chat Schedule
>
> Check out who's coming here to chat with you:
>James Marsters, who plays Spike on the WB's "Buffy The >Vampire
Slayer" Friday, January 9th
>8:00 p.m. (ET)/5:00 p.m. PT.
>
> Copyright ⌐ 1997 UltimateTV, Inc.
Don't hold me to this. I'm only relaying information. Can't believe
your eyes. Go to the site!!!
http://www.UltimateTV.com/interact/
Also, go vote for BtVS as your favorite show!!
==
Careen
Keeper of Giles' Snow Globe
aprilcareen@yahoo.com
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 00:21:50 EST
From: S E Caban <SECaban@aol.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: all a dream?
In a message dated 97-12-30 19:06:04 EST, you write:
> believed you are in for a let down on this one.ashley
>
Wow you have faith in Joss. Well don't tell me because i don't need
negativity. And you know what you will be wrong. Who says that they will
have sex??? You??? HELLO! Wait till the d*mn episode to find out. Alot of
you are already reprimanding about buffy having sex. WE DON'T KNOW THAT
YET!!!!!
SE
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 01:04:05 EST
From: S E Caban <SECaban@aol.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: do the do!!
In a message dated 97-12-30 23:47:39 EST, you write:
> Will Buffy and that vampire dude do the do? I sure hope so, it will be
> the bomb!! Not just a bomb, an atomic bomb!! Yeah!!!!
>
Oh right and you must be a big fan of 90210 too. Hello buffy has a status of
being a role model. They are gonna deal with it and in how they will do it i
can gurantee it will be much better that any nightime soap opera.
SE
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 02:26:39 EST
From: Kimmy92279 <Kimmy92279@aol.com>
Subject: BUFFY: Anastasia and Buffy--comparison
I just went and saw the movie Anastasia tonight (which, by the way, is so so
great). There were a couple of things that caught my attention when I was
watching it. First was when Anya (Anastasia) and Demetri were fighting in the
train it totally reminded me of Xander and Cordelia fighting in Dark Ages and
What's My Line 2. Then my friend and I stayed for the credits and guess who
was doing the voice of Demetri? John Cusak! Thought fo Willow's fantasy at
that point. Just thought I'd share those few things.
Kimmy
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 00:07:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Nikki Alberto <nikki12@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: SMG Dating Matthew Perry???????
- ---SE Caban <SECaban@aol.com> said:
> YOU are going to take this from a tabloid?? I despise people who
read > tabloids because most of the stuff in it is to ruin peoples
lives. > For heavans sake this is the STAR??? What were you thinking??
Geez! You make me feel so bad. I "DESPISE" people who judge others and
get mad at them. I feel so horrible and sad when people get mad at me
(especially when it's for wrong reasons). I don't write the articles
in STAR that ruin people's lives. I just saw Sarah Michelle Gellar and
I know people want to see anything with her because she is BUFFY. I
hate how people slaughter animals to make food, but I eat meat (I am
not the one who slaughters the animals), I hate how Kate Winslet had
to suffer in the cold water while filming TITANIC, but I like the
movie. When I read that, I don't judge people on it because I know it
could not be true. I just read it to find stuff on stars I like. Other
magazines like People don't have many selections on the stars I like.
I really like to read things about Nicholas Brendon and Alyson
Hannigan and I like people to tell me if they are in a magazine. So
when I saw the SMG thing, I showed it to all those Sarah Michelle
Gellar lovers. I never hurt ANYONE by reading those mags. Please don't
judge people on things like this. Sorry if I was too mean or hurt anyone.
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 00:20:25 -0800 (PST)
From: April Conway <aprilcareen@yahoo.com>
Subject: BUFFY: Heylo POSSIBLE SPOILERS
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OK, I'm not exactly sure if this is what most people do, but I thought
people would like some info. that I recieved from The Bronze PB.
joss says:
joss says:
(Tue Dec 30 19:01:08 PST 1997
Well, hey, seems like y'all saw a teaser that casued a bit of a stir
(said stir taking the form of dozens of said bronzers and -mere- in a
leather catsuit waiting to attack said me). I didn't make the teaser
so I don't
know what they told you -- or didn't tell you . I of course adhere to
my usual policy of saying nothing (and I'm not going NEAR the bronze
after this -- I WANT TO LIVE!) I've already said it's intense. Some of
you will
be very happy, some very angry, but ain't nobody gonna nod off.
Willow, I will tell you IS in the ep. No fear.
- -------Glad you're excited, and fearing for my safety, I remain, Joss.
(Tue Dec 30 19:27:24 PST 1997 )
Quick last post -- hey. Uh, I can't scroll back to 3:30 so I don't
know about sad post sitch. Important to come to calif once working,
but if starting to write, can do that anywhere. Have other projects
but nothing firm enuf to mention yet. Buffy eats life. But vacation
now, much reading, much inspection of interesting lint in naval. WILL
nOT revealanything about two parter. Am cruel but fair. Am leaving
That's all. More later. Tootles!!!
Sorry if I've broken any rules. Please inform me if I have.
==
Careen
Keeper of Giles' Snow Globe
aprilcareen@yahoo.com
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 01:26:15 PST
From: "travis stone" <travspeed1@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re:BUFFY:SMG Dating Matthew Perry???????
>I really like to read things about Nicholas Brendon and Alyson
>Hannigan and I like people to tell me if they are in a magazine. So
>when I saw the SMG thing, I showed it to all those Sarah Michelle
>Gellar lovers. I never hurt ANYONE by reading those mags. Please >don't
>judge people on things like this. Sorry if I was too mean or hurt
>anyone.
There is no need to be sorry, I like hearing whats going on with SMG
that why I'm on the list so when some thing is out on her I wont miss
it. so please continue to keep us up dated on SMG even in the tabloid
world. And don't let listen to people who obiously have some weird
issues to deal with. If they come down on you for posting buffy stuff
on the buffy list. ( they where probably in denial of such horrifying
news I Know I was thank god it was gust the STAR)
Trav
Keeper of what ever the hell I feel like taking at any given moment
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 07:25:45 EST
From: PACxMaN10 <PACxMaN10@aol.com>
Subject: BUFFY: maybe a spoiler
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ok, let me clear one thing up first.
speaking in reference to the movie CHASING AMY(which has totally
enlightened the way i think about love), "making love"
does not have to involve the process of intercourse. (if i can say that
word on this list, if i can't, please forgive me listowners) it can consist
of all the things you consider passionate. one of them may be
intercourse, but there are many other things that can take it's place. in
this path, virginity also has shady boundaries to it. but ultimately, it's
the sharing of intense emotions with the opposite party, this can take place
in any number of ways. I'm not saying Buffy WILL NOT lose her virginity,
with the definition that I'M going with, Buffy can surely lose her virginity,
but referring to "IT", i'm completely denying the possibility that it's
possible.
this is purely my opinion:
i've been following the vampire lore for a long time. i love the sensuality,
and the corresponding madness that vampires have. but the fact is that
they are dead beings with their souls replaced by demons (according
to Joss). In the case of smoking, Spike may have been smoking just
to satisfy himself of the image that he carries (the bad boy rebel vampire
image). We all know that he is arrogant to the extreme, and he thrives
on being the baddest vampire that he can possibly be.
i just realized that i'm going nowhere with this debate. I have no say
in this. it's is truly up to Joss's opinion on how the physycality of
vampires
work(in BtVS that is; I have my own beliefs). if he belives that
vampires have the ability to control their reproductive
organs, then we might actually observe the mating rituals of vampires.
(although i possitively believe that vampires can't reproduce). I mean,
what is the function of THE ORGAN?? as long as they've been around,
I'd like to think that vampires have been enlightened enough to know
that intercourse is the LEAST way of showing their love and adoration
for their loved ones. In the case of Dru and Spike, i've never seen them
kiss each other, which leads me to belive that what they have does
not consist of only physical connection, but more of a spiritual connection
between two demons that love each other(even though Dru seems to
be infatuated with Angel more than with Spike). Demons are not known
for their physical prowess, it's their spirituality and passion.
again, i emphasize that this is ONLY my opinion and mine alone,
what Joss believes is not my duty to criticize, cuz he writes such great
Vampire Lore, and there are so many forks in the road of Vampire mythology
(which noone knows that much about).
others may belive that the vampire's need for blood is to replenish their
dead cells with stolen blood. But my belief is that it's all symbolic. As
demons, they steal the lifeline of individuals to satisfy their hunger to
sever the connection of people from their environment. Simply put, just to
KILL. that is their purpose, to corrupt people and ultimately lead them
to torturous death. I haven't witnessed Angel ever putting anyone under
his fangs to steal their blood. That is because Angel has a soul, if his body
NEEDED blood, he would be a "dead" vampire by now. His soul has
made him realize that his symbolic pursuit for blood is morally wrong.
If anybody thinks that the stolen blood in Angel's body will put his ORGAN to
action, this would be my defense against it.
geez, another long one... I'm really sorry about this guys...
i really didn't like that LONG discussion about Buffy and Joyce's motives
for saying what they said to the detectives in TED, but i'm doing the
same thing here(I'm such a hypocrite)...
i don't know if i accomplished anything with this post(i'm pretty delirious
at 4:20 in the morning), but i hope this has put my point across...
one small thing, did anybody notice that Joss was one of the
writers for TOY STORY?? what a great imagination. you can bet
the comical antics in TOY STORY was provided by Joss.
sorry again for the LONG one...
PAC
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 08:41:34 EST
From: "Angel Williams" <angel__63@hotmail.com>
Subject: BUFFY: Angel & Buffy - What's so wrong with it....
Now, what I would like to know is what is so wrong with Buffy and Angel
doing the nasty. Sure, we've had some people say that it's not
possible, him being a vamp and all... We've had other, patriarchal
thoughts, that Buffy, being a role model, CAN'T have sex... What planet
are you from?!!! Buffy is a teenager, like everyone else... Joss has
said that repeatedly, and "Buffy" says it on almost every show. I don't
think it's so wrong, after all, most teenagers these days are having sex
regularly from 13 on. She's almost 17 for gosh sakes!!!!! Any
thoughts, or am I just being the only openminded one here?
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 08:50:56 EST
From: "Angel Williams" <angel__63@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: maybe a spoiler
Pac wrote:
> I haven't witnessed Angel ever putting anyone under
>his fangs to steal their blood. That is because Angel has a soul, if
his body
>NEEDED blood, he would be a "dead" vampire by now. His soul has
>made him realize that his symbolic pursuit for blood is morally wrong.
Well, if you had cared to research this phenomenon of Angel, he DOES
NEED blood to survive... He doesn't kill people for their blood as his
heart and soul (given back to him by the gypsy curse) won't let him kill
humans. However, he has been surviving on field rodents and small
animals. Haven't you ever noticed that there aren't a lot of cats and
rats around when Angels in the picture... This whole blood sucking
thing is not a symbolic ritual, it's a need to survive. Vampires need
the living blood to survive. If they don't have it they become weak and
eventually die. Didn't you figure out that that's why Drucilla was so
weak all the time. She became ill, and couldn't feed, and Spike
couldn't bring anything back to her, so she was getting little bits of
blood but not enough to bring her vitality back.
Sorry, I'm rambling. Any other thoughts?
angel angel__63@hotmail.com
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 09:39:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Sparky Dawntreader <mat0536@is2.nyu.edu>
Subject: BUFFY: Xander vs. Chandler
On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Rob Clark wrote:
> Does anyone else think this is rather odd? (I know, it's a tabloid - what
> should you expect) I mean, Xander's character seems to be channelling
> Chandler Bing's character (from Friends) in every episode, with all the
> sarcastic, witty asides and out-of-nowhere non-sequiturs. I'm not
You did say in the next sentence that you're not criticizing Joss or Nick
in this, but still, I think Joss and the other writers deserve more credit
than to say they're channeling Chandler. For starters, Xander's funnier,
and need I say a lot younger? Chandler is far from the be all and end all
of funny, wise cracking men full of witty asides and whatnot, and I really
don't think there's a connection.
Just feeling defensive about a show with much better writing than
"friends,"
Mehitabel
mat0536@is2.nyu.edu
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 09:49:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Sparky Dawntreader <mat0536@is2.nyu.edu>
Subject: BUFFY: the Willow bidness
I know we're having a lot of fun speculating about why Willow's not in the
preview, but just to be logical for a minute....Willow being such a main
character and all, maybe Alyson just wasn't available when they filmed it.
I know, seems too easy an answer and something of a cop out, but it's
something to consider while we're getting our collective panties in a
bunch.
Mehitabel
mat0536@is2.nyu.edu
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 09:58:35
From: Theodore Jay Miller <tedjmill@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: The Usual Suspects
At 10:14 PM 12/30/97 -0500, Schimmel wrote:
>It's possible to make a case for just about any of her friends to betray
>Buffy!
>Willow: The most unlikely suspect; and the one missing from the line-up.
In the Buffyverse, you have demonic possession, magic spells, etc.; those
might be the cause for ANY of the characters, including Willow, to betray a
friend.
And Willow could be a VERY dangerous betrayer. She's an information
source; if she lies or creates fake computer data, she can manipulate the
other characters into going places, doing things, etc. Alter a police report
on a vampire attack, put in Angel's description, then show it to Buffy; it
can
LOOK like Angel is turning savage. Get to Immigration's computers, and
Willow can get Giles deported; he is a foreign citizen living in the US.
Imagine Buffy cut off from all her friends, except Willow, who is actually
the
possessed mastermind behind the whole thing, and who has systematically
manipulated all Buffy's other friends away.
Theodore Jay Miller
tedjmill@mindspring.com
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:12:16 EST
From: RayneFire <RayneFire@aol.com>
Subject: BUFFY: Polls update
Okay...here are the poll updates. The E! on-line poll has ended...and Sarah
won for "Best Breasts in a Kevin Williamson Movie" for I Know What You Did
Last Summer. She came in 4th in the same category for Scream 2.
The "Best Buffy-ism" is "Don't Scully me." followed by the Keyser Soze'd line.
And, Buffy came in 2nd (21%) for best new series after South Park (29%)
Results are here:
http://www.eonline.com/index.html?sn.hometop
Couple of NEW polls....
http://www.totaltv.com
and the Entertainment weekly poll. Sarah is up for entertainer of the year
(currently #2 after Fiona Apple) and Buffy is up for best show (#1). Scream 2
is the #2 movie after Titanic.
http://cgi.pathfinder.com/ew/se/
Other polls are:the Ultimate TV Best and Worst poll. You can win a Buffy t-
shirt for voting in this one! :-)
http://www.ultimatetv.com/yearbook/97/
Also, don't forget People's Most Intrguing People of 97 poll! SMG is #16
right now
http://www.pathfinder.com/people/sp/intrigue97/vote/poll.html
Plus, you can vote for SMG as best supporting actress in a horror movie at the
blockbuster awards
http://www.blockbuster.com/awards/vote/film_vote.html
So, show your support for Buffy! Go vote!
Rayne
Keeper of Willow's Animal Slippers
Keeper of Buffy's Stuffed Pig, Mr. Gordo
Keeper of Spike's Trench Coat
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 97 09:27:00 CST
From: "GIBSON, TOBY (OLY FLDS)" <TGIBSO@midwestern.edu>
Subject: RE:BUFFY: Virginity
According to an old TV guide article from last year, Sarah and Joss
discussed this before they even started filming and decided "Buffy was a
virgin" Why is this such a big deal? She's 16 and from what we can tell
she has not been "Miss Popularity". Also the show has focused on teen
angst as well as slaying and this has got to be a major "angst" in a
young girl's life. The key is to see how well she (and Joss) handles the
situation if (or when) it arrises. (no pun intended). I'm more itnerested
to know why Angel drove Dru insane. We know he loved her and she seemed
to love him at the playground. Perhaps Dru was also a virgin who resisted
his advances a little too long? Perhaps he drives people insane when he
can't get what he wants?
Tobias <tgibso@midwestern.edu> <http:icarus.cc.uic.edu/~jdrege1/toby/>
It ain't too hard to get along with somebody else's troubles
They don't make you lose any sleep at night. (S. Goodman)
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 09:30:19 +0000 (CENTRAL)
From: "I told you...[Shoots Nazis]...don't call me Junior! - Indiana Jones" <ORTEGAV@AXP.CALUMET.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: BUFFY: Buffy: Our Willow
Hi,
The names Vince and well I am new to this list, I've been on various listserv
since '90, boy do I fill old.
Anyways I'll keep this short and to the point, I like Willow and would love
to see her fill out a bigger role, but in the up coming betrayel episodes,
I don't think she'll be the one. Main reason, in the promo they didn't show
her. I think it would be cheap if she was the one they didn't show as a
possible betrayer, then use her that way. Sort of like the mystery novel that
you're trying to figure out who the murderer is and he turns out to be the
business partner who's not mentions until the very last page.
Well any way that's my thought. Thanks for having me on the list, I think
this will be fun.
Vincent Ortega ORTEGAV@AXP.PURDUE.CALUMET.EDU
7248 ONTARIO AVE.
HAMMOND IN 46323
"Ray, the next time someone ask if you're a god, you say YES!"
Ghostbusters
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Date:
From: RemencusL@jsc.mil
Subject: BUFFY: New Buffy Poll at Total TV Online
Hi, Folks.
Due to illness, I've been off the list for awhile, but I wanted to let
everyone know that I'm still updating the Buffy Music Website as I get
new information, and I wanted let you know about a new poll.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer is up for Hottest Cult Show AND Favorite
Otherworldly Character in the new Readers Poll at Total TV Online:
www.totaltv.com
The Poll doesn't close until January 31, so there's still plenty of time to get
out the vote.
Leslie
Natpack~HPotCoS~GASPer~AGA~Slayer~BotCoJ
Buffy Music--http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Lot/8864/music.htm
"I am the Bug Man, coo coo ca-choo." --Xander, BtVS
LaremyB@aol.com or RemencusL@jsc.mil
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:47:25 -0500
From: jjswbt@huskynet.com
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel & Buffy - What's so wrong with it....
Caveat: Since no one knows what really happens or doesn't happen, all this
talk is pure speculation. That said...
Angel said:
>Now, what I would like to know is what is so wrong with Buffy and Angel
>doing the nasty. <snip> We've had other, patriarchal thoughts, that Buffy,
> being a role model, CAN'T have sex...
While I don't care for the term "doing the nasty", I have to agree with the
idea that she doesn't need to remain a virgin (assuming she is one ) to
remain a role model. (I won't even get into the idea of real people using
TV characters as role models ). A "poor" role model would be for Buffy to
jump into bed with a different guy each week. However, here, the
relationship with Angel has been shown to be deep, to develop over a "long"
time, and to mean a great deal to both of them. If more teenagers (and
adults) used those guidelines for when to sleep with someone, there would
be a lot less casual sex. <g>
As a adult with an almost teenage child, I don't see Buffy's possible
sexual involvement with Angel as a "bad" role model. ( I see her
unfortunate study habits as much worse <eg> )
>I don't think it's so wrong, after all, most teenagers these days are having
> sex regularly from 13 on. She's almost 17 for gosh sakes!!!!
Sorry..that's not really true. *Some* (*not* most ) teenagers have sex at
13 ... some wait until they are 20. However, I'll grant that by 17, it
certainly wouldn't be "unusual" if she decided to have sex.
Wendy
jjswbt@huskynet.com
jjswbt@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/JJSWBT/wendy.html
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:48:50 EST
From: CatDancer8 <CatDancer8@aol.com>
Subject: BUFFY: Spoilers Buffy + Angel
Spoiler
Space
I don't know why everyone is looking to other possibilities for who betrays
her. They gave that away in the preview. Remember, the "Everything you know
about Buffy & Angel is about to Change." (This doesn't me it's true) But the
whole preview pointed to Angel. (even though that kills me to say it.) It was
obvious. He was in the promo pulling his head up, he was the only focus
besides Buffy. Unless you count Drusilla but we all know she isn't the one
since Buffy doesn't know her. Except for that talk-to-my-boyfriend-who-made-
you-and-threaten-your-life. But, unfortunately, it has to be Angel. At least
that's my opinion.
And my final opinion on this "it" thing. If you watch the previews, it kind
gives away that there will be some action. Since they showed in the
background, hands on sheets. It was kinda obvious. And unless Angel is
sleeping with Drusilla, that was Buffy. I still can't tell if he had his game
face on when he said "Things are about to get very intersting" when he was
talking to Buffy.
One last thing...the pier thing. I saw that someone threw her off. Really
threw her, and it looked a lot like Angel. But the next scene showed him
jumping in after her, on the other side of the pier. Then I think I saw
another figure where she was thrown off but the frame goes to fast to be sure.
I just hope they didn't do a Angel throw her off the pier, save her life, say
he loves her, then the head to his place kind a thing. That would be kinda
strange.
Oh Well, thats all I have to say until the next not-so-revealing preview.
http://members.aol.com/aglx/main.html
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:46:36 EST
From: Xspeedy99X <Xspeedy99X@aol.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel & Buffy - What's so wrong with it....
In a message dated 97-12-31 08:44:59 EST, angel__63@hotmail.com writes:
<< Buffy is a teenager, like everyone else... Joss has
said that repeatedly, and "Buffy" says it on almost every show. I don't
think it's so wrong, after all, most teenagers these days are having sex
regularly from 13 on. >>
plus, now that Donna (90210) has had sex, there aren't that many teenage
female virgins left
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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 03:41:11 +1100
From: Evan Harris <azure99@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: BUFFY: Speculation - SPOILERS???
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I was wondering, even though Xander and Cordelia are "together", maybe
Xander still isn't over Buffy after all. Discovering that she slept with
Angel could lead to a betrayal of their friendship - perhaps even an
attempt to kill Angel.
I now return to my corner, ignoring the laughter and jeers of those
around me who view my speculation with much derision. What do I know
anyway - I've only seen the first three episodes here in Australia - so
I could be way off base here?
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