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buffy Digest         Monday, September 8 1997         Volume 01 : Number 281



In this issue:

    Re: BUFFY: age
    Re: BUFFY: The Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno
    Re: BUFFY: The Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno
    Re: BUFFY: TVGuide/ NO SPECIAL BUFFY
    Re: BUFFY: TVGuide/ NO SPECIAL BUFFY
    BUFFY: Fan Name Voting:  The Final Go Around
    Re: BUFFY: The Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno
    Re: BUFFY: Ye gods, the vampires have taken over Las Vegas! (was: Viva Las Vampires!)
    Re: BUFFY: Angel's "Offspring"
    Re: BUFFY: DISNEY thoughts
    Re: BUFFY: TVGuide/ NO SPECIAL BUFFY
    BUFFY: A couple of new thoughts
    Re: BUFFY: Angel's ring
    BUFFY: Ratings
    Re: BUFFY: NO SPECIAL BUFFY
    BUFFY: Re: buffy Digest V1 #280
    Re: BUFFY: Ratings and Buffy and Teen Sex
    Re: BUFFY: A couple of new thoughts
    BUFFY: Re: BUFFY/names/DYNAMICS
    Re: BUFFY: A couple of new thoughts
    BUFFY: The Anthony Stewart Head Mailing List
    BUFFY: The Buffy Beta Fanfic List
    BUFFY: Wanna Join the Giles' Appreciation Society Panters?
    Re: BUFFY: The Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno
    Re: BUFFY: How did she know?
    Re: BUFFY: The Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno
    BUFFY: SCREAM PIC
    Re: BUFFY: Food Chain  (was: BUFFY/names/DYNAMICS)
    Re: BUFFY: The Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno
    Re: BUFFY: A couple of new thoughts
    BUFFY: WGN and Buffy
    Re: BUFFY: WGN and Buffy
    BUFFY: Grrr.  Argh!
    Re: BUFFY: math quiz - you've gotta try this out
    BUFFY: Conversation w/ a friend regarding Buffy
    Re: BUFFY: DISNEY thoughts
    BUFFY: I Robot -- You Jane question...
    Re: BUFFY: DISNEY thoughts
    Re: BUFFY: wgn +wb
    Re: BUFFY: DISNEY thoughts
    Re: BUFFY: The Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno
    Re: BUFFY: A couple of new thoughts

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:39:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "F.Y.G." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: age

Isn't Harry Caray dead???

missile

On Sun, 7 Sep 1997, William Lambert wrote:
> Sassenach Outlander wrote:
> and started a discusssion.  Well, I am 61 and I am SURE there are older
> listmembers! Harry Caray is an avowed fan,but he is not into cmputers or
> the Net.
>
> [For those not into such things; Harry is the VOice of Americ'as Lovable
> Losers, the Chicago Cubs, and is 80+. ANd still very vital!]
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> Bill Lambert   [Dr. W. M. Lambert, Jr.]
> [e-mail]
> [Dr. William M. Lambert, Jr.]
> Apdo 111-2070 Sabanilla Montes de Oca,COSTA RICA
> Tel. [phone]
>
>      "The United States is safe from coups and  military
> dictatorships because there is no U.S.  Embassy  in
> the United States"--Eduardo Galeano
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 13:58:46 +1200
From: Alex L <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: The Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno

Hendricks Ng wrote:
>
> Just a reminder to everyone and the new members, Sarah Michelle Gellar
> (aka Buffy) will be a featured guest on The Tonight Show, airing 11:35pm EST
> on September 8, 1997, NBC.  Woohoo!
hi all
does anyone think that they could possibly get vidcaps from that and
tell me the site for them, down here we dont get the tonight show, only
letterman, which brings me to my next point, is Sarah going to go on
Letterman again, i would love to see it.

i am so peeved, my arial has gone down and invisible girl (which is
called out of mind, out of sight in our tv guide, has anyone else heard
that name) is on tonight, so i just hope my friend tapes it, but its
just not the same.
i think im gonna go to bed and sulk.

anyways
seeya
Alex
[e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:15:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andrew Wagster <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: The Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno

> i am so peeved, my arial has gone down and invisible girl (which is
> called out of mind, out of sight in our tv guide, has anyone else heard
> that name) is on tonight, so i just hope my friend tapes it, but its

Charisma Carpenter used that name in a chat she did, which you can find at
the official BtvS site (www.buffyslayer.com).

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:19:07 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Guadalupe Mejia)
Subject: Re: BUFFY: TVGuide/ NO SPECIAL BUFFY

ok,
since i read the interview from tv guide i've been stuck on 1 word in
the whole inteview, & since then me & my sister have been discussing it
but we would like to know if we are the only ones stuck there or not
well anyway this is the part that got to us when Joss say's
" There is going to be some lovin'. sex defentely becomes an issue"
whitin the thightknit gang of friends".

ok in the word i got stuck on was "within" now who could these people
be?
anybody else felt the same?

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:19:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andrew Wagster <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: TVGuide/ NO SPECIAL BUFFY

On Sun, 7 Sep 1997, Guadalupe Mejia wrote:

> ok in the word i got stuck on was "within" now who could these people
> be?

My vote goes for Angel and Buffy... the most likely choices.

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 02:08:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: BUFFY: Fan Name Voting:  The Final Go Around

Here we go again.  This is the last opportunity to have your voice heard
before the polls close.  The new season of everybody's favorite boot wearing,
stake wielding, quick witted vampire slayer (yes, that would be Buffy) is
about to begin and so we come to the final count that will determine once and
for all an unofficial official fan name for all followers of Buffy the
Vampire Slayer.  The names on the ballot below were taken from several weeks
of debate on this very list, and were by far the most commonly discussed
possibilities.  In the event your favorite is not chosen, feel free to make a
bumper sticker that says something to the effect of "Don't Blame Me, I Voted
For ________".    Otherwise, no whining.  It's a free country, let's keep it
that way:  VOTE!

Canucks and Kiwis are welcome as proof of citizenship is not a requirement,
only an admiration for all things Buffy.  Heck, even those of you (and you
know who you are) who ponder the possibilities of different actors in certain
roles are welcome to vote!  (let's consider that hatchet buried, OK?)

Now then, email me PRIVATELY, OFF-LIST ONLY PLEASE to [e-mail] with
your selection from the following:

1)  Slayerettes
2)  Slayerytes
3)  Buffamaniacs

(Those of us getting on in years will have to harbor Buffyatrics as a quiet,
personal moniker, secretly shared amongst ourselves.)

Polls close Friday, 9/12/97, with final election results posted Sunday,
9/14/97.

Thanx for indulging me,

Mike

Keeper of Buffy's little white teddy bear
Keeper of Buffy's beeper
Keeper of Little Buffy's Bubblegum Pink Bicycle (with handlebar streamers
                 and automated stake dispenser)
"The part that gets me though, is where Buffy is the Vampire Slayer.
She's so little." --- Ms. Calendar

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 02:58:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BUFFY: The Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno

In a message dated 97-09-07 22:25:50 EDT, [e-mail] (Alex L)
writes:

<<  down here we dont get the tonight show, only
 letterman, which brings me to my next point, is Sarah going to go on
 Letterman again, i would love to see it. >>

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but when was Sarah on Letterman?

Chris
>=)

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 23:42:51 -0700
From: Lisa Rose <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Ye gods, the vampires have taken over Las Vegas! (was: Viva Las Vampires!)

At 03:35 PM 9/3/97 -0400, Jesse Jou wrote on xmission list:

(Lisa wrote:)
>>Buffy would be underwhelmed, "Casinos?  Yeah, been there, done 'em.
>>Angel and I will stay in our *room* tonight..."

>And perhaps Angel could fall of the wagon and go on a blood-drinking binge
>that will make Nicholas Cage weep bitter tears.

LOL!  He tells Buffy, "if there's anywhere in the world where the blood
will kill ya fer sure, it's Vegas!  I could get drunk just off the fumes!"

And wasn't Nick Cage in that other Vegas movie with the parachuting
Elvis impersonators?  We've already tagged the King as a Vampire on
the lists.  Hmmm, "Vampire" "King"?  Why, Elvis must be the Master!

>re:  The Softer Side of Buffy
>I think we're working ourselves up into a piranha like frenzy with little
>evidence.  Oooh, it looks like Buffy's playing headgames with Angel,
>Willow, and Xander in the 30 second promo!

No, no.  Woe is us!  All is over with.  The promo has clearly
spelled our doom.  Time to switch over to "Home Improvement."
At least that show's unlikely to ever change, thus it can't
ever betray us (pity that it's so boring).

Lisa

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 23:30:29 -0700
From: Lisa Rose <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel's "Offspring"

At 10:01 PM 9/2/97 -0400, Virginia Eveland wrote:

>Oh my gosh. It's an original question.  To my knowledge, at least.

Well, not anymore now that we've roughed it up a bit.  But
I agree the question seemed original (surprisingly) when
it debuted a week or so ago.

>think I've been on here since the second episode aired. Hmm.
>Bound for the Undead list

Its visa to visit the Undead list (forever) has already being
approved.  Now it's just waiting for its flight.

>I don't think Angel *would* voluntarily convert someone to being a
>vampire.  He probably doesn't know what would happen, and he wouldn't
>want to inflict his 'curse' on anyone else.  Even if the converted
>person maintained their soul, they'd have to deal with bloodlust, etc,

Yes, the risk of demonization is too great (instinct tells me
that would still happen).  Even if his "victims" would retain
their souls as he has, he would not want to share with them
a type of existence he has apparently hated since ever since he
was "re-souled" (the gypsies would have made good cobblers!).

>Although, this *does* lead the way for some interesteing ideas, such as
>a main character being at/near death and Angel possibly bringing them
>over to save them, or the agony of choosing to/not to do so.

IMHO, Angel would not want to do this because of his own pain and
the permanent implications.  He could get paralyzed by confusion
and indecision over this.  It would take someone naive, impulsive
and desperately in love like Xander to say "Go for it!" and goad Angel
into saving Buffy in such a way, maybe hoping they could solve the
soul problem later.   Heck, Xander reluctantly admitted to Willow
he found a vamped-out Buffy still hot in Nightmares.

Lisa

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 23:13:46 -0700
From: Lisa Rose <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: DISNEY thoughts

At 03:23 PM 9/5/97 -0700, [e-mail] wrote:

>Wouldn't it be funny if the only modern thing the vamps have
>kept up on is Disney (maybe Disney is even part of the whole vampire
>plot--  wear down our intelligence, brainwash our children, put in
>hidden messages that make us believe that all evil is controllable and
>ultimately won over through goodness and luck...etc???)

Well, Disney is reputed to have a vast underground complex
beneath each of their parks (where the *real* control is
located), shielded from the light of day, not unlike the
Master's underground world.

And those silly costumes of Mickey Mouse, Goofy, Donald Duck,
etc... might conceal sinister employees beneath them
just as vamps' "human" faces conceal their true "game"
faces and demonic identities.

Finally, there are those who argue (convincingly) that
Disney's cutesy adaptions of tortured classics such
as Hugo's "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" suck the
very life blood from those stories.

So the circumstantial evidence is piling up (like
so much dust beneath Buffy's stake) in support of
your hypothesis!

Lisa

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 06:45:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BUFFY: TVGuide/ NO SPECIAL BUFFY

In a message dated 97-09-08 00:28:24 EDT, you write:

<< > ok in the word i got stuck on was "within" now who could these people
 > be?
  My vote goes for Angel and Buffy... the most likely choices. >>

im thinking he meant Bufffy, Xanedr, and Willow. maybe he is including Angel,
but the other 3 are the close friends

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:11:22 -0400
From: Jesse Jou <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: A couple of new thoughts

As I was watching IR, YJ and The Witch again two things struck me.

1)  The internet mystery of BtVS:  Giles sends Willow  on the internet out
to find obscure information about mystical vampire acts, then observes to
Ms. Calendar, (and I paraphrase) "The knowledge gained from book in vastly
to superior to anything on your wonderful web pages!"  My question to you:
my understanding of the internet is that for someone to find information in
it, someone has to put information *on* it.  So, who put the information on
it?  Who's building web pages to obscure arcanum *and* linking them to
search engines, and why doesn't our intrepid team seem curious about it?

2)  During the cheerleader audition in the Witch, I was watching the girls
as they did their cartwheels and noticed how very, very clean indeed was
Ms. Chase's, whilst the Buffster's was kind of ungainly.   Score one for
Charisma's dancer training and back to gymnastics with you, Ms. Gellar!

JJ

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 06:03:42 PDT
From: "Holiday Golightly" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel's ring

On Sat, 6 Sep 1997 12:22:18 -0400, Kat wrote:

>Just a quickie, in the new promo pic (the "What is it with Dangerous
>women".. one) did anyone else notice Angel's slightly girlish ring?!
>any comments?

Ouch. It's called a Claddagh Ring. I'll skip the history, and tell you
what it means. When worn on the right hand with the heart facing out, it
means you are still searching for your true love. Worn on the right hand
with the heart in says there are possibilities. When worn on the left
hand with the heart facing in, it tells everyone your heart is taken
forever.

If I remember correctly, Angel wears it on his right hand with the heart
facing in. Interesting... don't you think?

This also ties in with what Giles said about Angel's tattoo originating
in Eire, since the Claddagh is a part of Irish tradition.

Holly
The Babe Known as Xander:
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/3169

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 10:35:41 +0100
From: Thomas Twardowski <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: Ratings

Hola, (especially WBScott if you're out there),

Well, Philadelphia is again trying to stake Buffy.  As if it isn't bad
enough that Ally McBiel is premiering a week ahead of Buffy (and a quirky
show might well be competitive for the Buffy audience), but good ole 17 is
pre-empting Prophecy Girl, which was most certainly good enough to be
competitive even as a rerun, with baseball.  And folks, you think WGN is
bad, there have been many weeks when Buffy didn't show AT ALL due to
sporting events.  I am accepting sympathy.

I have a friend (happens to be a fan of 7th Heaven instead of Buffy, but
she's sympathetic) who calls it the "Why Bother" network...  Scott, doesn't
WB have something resembling a CONTRACT with these so-called affiliates?  I
hope WB doesn't kill shows on the basis of ratings or numbers when entire
markets don't put your show on when it is advertised (or at all).

Another one for BtVSWS:  I was reading a paper which talks about angle-plys,
with the by now typical buffyian-slip substitution.  Here's hoping that my
WB station bothers to show the premiere next week, and (dare I even hope?)
on Monday!

Tom.
([e-mail])

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 10:33:42 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BUFFY: NO SPECIAL BUFFY

in regards to many of the posts I've read about Buffy/teenagers/virgins

 it almost sounds like many are saying that teenagers having sex is
ALWAYS bad- and can only be the result of "peer pressure", and can never
be done SAFELY.  While we may all have our different ideas of "when" the
right time to start having sex is (religious ideas, safety ideas, etc.)
I think many people overlook the whole "curiosity" motive when it comes
to sex and teenagers.  Personally I think it is very naive to dismiss
all sexual behavior in "young adults" as a reaction to everything EXCEPT
what is going on in their own bodies and hearts- those two causes are
deemed unthinkable- and always replaced with negating terms like "peer
pressure..ignorance...suseptibility.."  I would never deny these things
DO exist and are prevelant in any teen's life- but when you use them as
an generalized explanation towards something you don't deem "morally
okay" you are living in the dark.
    Relating this directly to Buffy, I think that Joss has made Buffy a
virgin primarily because  the forum is television drama...  If you
remember, in the movie, Buffy was constantly having boys over (or it is
referred to...) for the night.   But television is something that is
brought into the home, and therefore has stricter guidelines- because it
needs to have more MASS appeal- and may be viewed by wee little ones.
    Also, the flavor of the show up to this point (re: sex) is very much
overshadowed by the danger/horrors of everyday life on the hellmouth.
Who has time for love??   Even Cordelia seems somewhat asexual.
    Anyhow, I don't know if I had a point here, just wanted to remind
people that as much as society hates to admit it, teenagers have sex
much of the time because they want to~  because biologically they are
ready to, and they can fall in love just as easily as any of us...   I
think we will see Buffy going  towards this mentality with Angel~
although we can only speculate what exactly this will entail (what are
the precautions?)

As much as we may have hated 90210 (or not) and scorned their "very
special" episodes~ it has to be noted that they were one of the first
shows to convey teenage love/sexual relationships in a more realistic
light.

If Buffy hopes to stay realistic~ it will communicate the sexuality of
teenagers as fact, and as natural--  although I'm sure much creativity
will be thrown in as well...
sorry to have rambled, but these issues get me all in a huff!
miss hayse

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:02:13 -0400
From: [e-mail] (BlanK...)
Subject: BUFFY: Re: buffy Digest V1 #280

Hey guys,SMG is gonna be on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno
TONIGHT!!!......I WEEK GUYS,AND IT'S FINALLY HERE!!!!

the Bux,Now and Forever......

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:22:20 -0400
From: Jesse Jou <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Ratings and Buffy and Teen Sex

At 10:35 AM +0100 9/8/97, Thomas Twardowski wrote:
>Well, Philadelphia is again trying to stake Buffy.
Isn't little Davey B.'s daddy a weather forecaster (and hence local
celebrity) in Philadelphia?  I think a few stern calls from a local hero as
to why his son's show is being pre-empted without being rescheduled in an
attractive time slot would certainly be helpful.

miss hayses, my fellow New Yorker, whom I'm due to call this week, argued:
> it almost sounds like many are saying that teenagers having sex is
>ALWAYS bad- and can only be the result of "peer pressure", and can never
>be done SAFELY.
This is an excellent point.  Just to throw pennies at this controversial
topic, I think it should also be noted that we've taken a very simple view
of virginity as being either sexual or nonsexual.  We should recognize that
there are many ways to be sexual creatures without necessarily "going all
the way."  The best example from the show is in Prophecy Girl, where
Cordelia and Kevin are kissing in her parked car.  There's no reason to
assume that both aren't completely content to "make out" in this fashion
without going further (and indeed, Kevin seemed to be quite gentlemanly,
which is why I liked him, and which is why I regret his death, whereas
Mitch with all his talk of being on top of things drove me mental), and I
suspect Cordelia would be fastidious enough to be choosy in her lovers and
her actions with them.  She really does come across like La Belle Dame Sans
Merci.  Lisa Rose and I have speculated off-list about the future of
Angel/Buffy along these terms.  And I personally believe that things can
get quite hot 'n heavy without any base higher than second making an
appearance.  Needless to say, any romance should complement the show and
should not exist simply for the purposes of romance.  but that's a
different flame-worthy thread.

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:31:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: James Bjorkman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: A couple of new thoughts

On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Jesse Jou wrote:

> My question to you:
> my understanding of the internet is that for someone to find information in
> it, someone has to put information *on* it.  So, who put the information on
> it?  Who's building web pages to obscure arcanum *and* linking them to

I don't want to seem too clever here or anything, but, aside from Giles'
mad friends, disappearing monks and Ms. Calendar's "technopagan" friends
having possibly put the stuff on the net, there's another, simpler
possibility.  The whole problem in IR,YJ was that Willow was scanning in
books of prophecy without reading them (of course, I doubt she could have
read them all, since some at least were in Latin, but whatever). I recall
that an entire stack of was shown.  It appeared Giles hadn't read them,
either.

Willow's search thus may have simply been to the site to which she herself
had been uploading.  Sometimes it's easier to do searches for keywords, etc.
online even if you have the book right in front of you.  I think, though,
it's just one of those things you have to accept - that there are Watchers,
there are slayers, and there are websites dealing with vampires and other
esoterica.

BTW, that Ally McBeal show on Fox looks interesting, but I'll tape it and
watch the Buffster anyway.  It seems like it could be aiming for the same
non-Monday-Night-Football crowd.  At least Roar is history, for now, at
least.
                                                   jb

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 11:39:11 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: BUFFY: Re: BUFFY/names/DYNAMICS

anyone else think it's weird that there will have been 2 Sids on the
show?  I guess the name must REALLY fit- or Joss is particularly fond of
that name...


*also, I wanted to make more plot guesses (since I'm at work and bored
as usual)

issues pertaining to teenagers that may be stretched into "supernatural"

teen pregnancy--  some sort of alien/monster insemination????
cafeteria food-  some sort of poisonous or mind altering food scare??!

that's all my feeble monday morn brain can come up with for now~  more
coffee will help....

also, I was pondering the whole vampires being evil thing.. If we look
at the situation from an outsider's perspective, you could view
vampire's eating humans as just part of the food chain.  Sure, we
justify calling them EVIL through describing them as DEMONS and because
they harm humans~ but perhaps from a wider perspective they are only
doing what they must to survive.  Since man is at the top of the food
chain~ we see all animals and such (this is a generalization, I know,
bear with me) as lower life forms, and therfore somewhat created for us
to consume <not veggies, I know!> we use the rationale that they don't
have "souls" or that they don't have our kind of "consciousness".  I
think that vampires have that same outlook on us~ as lower life forms
that don't have a real "stake" (ha ha) in the scheme of things, because
we are mortal....
maybe this is old hat, but it came to mind...
miss hayse

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 11:41:13 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BUFFY: A couple of new thoughts

>
> BTW, that Ally McBeal show on Fox looks interesting, but I'll tape it and
> watch the Buffster anyway.

Excuse this brief somewhat offtopic post, but does anyone else think
that the Ally McBeal character looks alot like SMG will in fifteen
years???  My roommate and I were struck by teh resemblance.
miss hayse

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:55:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sonja Marie <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: The Anthony Stewart Head Mailing List

Hi all,

Are you a fan of Anthony Stewart Head?  Giles on Buffy, Oliver on Vr5,
those Taster's Choice/Gold Blend Commercials?  Then the ASH list is for
you.  You can talk with other fans about Tony over email.

To join send an email to [e-mail] with either:
s*bscribe ASH-GASP
or
s*bscribe ASH-GASP-Digest

in the message.

Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html
Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html
Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html
Owner of the Jeff Fahey, Paul Wylie, Anthony S. Head, & Buffy-Beta Lists
Pres. of ASH/Giles' Appreciation Society Panters - Keeper of Coats & Ties
"Hi,Sonja, it's uh, Tony Head..." Anthony Stewart Head (Giles-BTVS) To Me!
~~~~IN MEMORIAL - Diana, Princess of Wales - July 1, 1961 - Aug 31,1997~~~

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:56:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sonja Marie <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: The Buffy Beta Fanfic List

Hi all,

Want a place to post your works in progress for feedback and beta reading
before they get posted elsewhere?  Then Buffy Beta List is for you!

To join:
send an email to [e-mail] with either:
S*bscribe Buffy-Beta or
S*bscribe Buffy-Beta-Digest

Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html
Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html
Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html
Owner of the Jeff Fahey, Paul Wylie, Anthony S. Head, & Buffy-Beta Lists
Pres. of ASH/Giles' Appreciation Society Panters - Keeper of Coats & Ties
"Hi,Sonja, it's uh, Tony Head..." Anthony Stewart Head (Giles-BTVS) To Me!
~~~~IN MEMORIAL - Diana, Princess of Wales - July 1, 1961 - Aug 31,1997~~~

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:57:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sonja Marie <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: Wanna Join the Giles' Appreciation Society Panters?

Hi all,

Are you a fan of Giles? Anthony Stewart Head?  Then the GASPers is the
group for you!  We are a group of fans who share a common interest namely
Giles/ASH, we are also the official Keepers of Giles' Stuff.

Check out our Home Page at:
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/7728/gaspers.html

Hurry pickings are slim, once what's left is gone, I'll be stopping
admission till next season starts.

To join email me PRIVATELY and I'll send you the info on how to.

Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html
Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html
Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html
Owner of the Jeff Fahey, Paul Wylie, Anthony S. Head, & Buffy-Beta Lists
Pres. of Giles Appreciation Society Panters -GASP!- Keeper of Giles Coats&Ties
"Hi Sonja, it's uh, Tony Head.." Anthony Stewart Head (Giles-BTVS) to me!!
~~~~IN MEMORIAL - Diana, Princess of Wales - July 1, 1961 - Aug 31,1997~~~

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:04:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: Neil Carnahan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: The Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno

i don't thing sarah was on letterman.  i never miss a letterman and i
don't remember her being on.

On Mon, 8 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 97-09-07 22:25:50 EDT, [e-mail] (Alex L)
> writes:
>
> <<  down here we dont get the tonight show, only
>  letterman, which brings me to my next point, is Sarah going to go on
>  Letterman again, i would love to see it. >>
>
> Sorry if this is a dumb question, but when was Sarah on Letterman?
>
> Chris
> >=)
>
>

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 11:56:29 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BUFFY: How did she know?

http://www.westol.com/~vanedav/scream2/picgallery.html

picture of SMG in Scream 2 (on the set rather)
miss hayse

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 12:14:23 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BUFFY: The Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno

is it letterman or Leno??
someone know FOR SURE?
miss hayse

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 12:33:33 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: BUFFY: SCREAM PIC

I think we can speculate that SMG gets slaughtered in Scream 2 from the
picture at the Scream2 site.
miss hayse

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 11:33:38 -0700
From: Lisa Rose <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Food Chain  (was: BUFFY/names/DYNAMICS)

At 11:39 AM 9/8/97 -0700, miss hayse wrote:

>also, I was pondering the whole vampires being evil thing.. If we look
>at the situation from an outsider's perspective, you could view
>vampire's eating humans as just part of the food chain.  Sure, we
>justify calling them EVIL through describing them as DEMONS and because
>they harm humans~ but perhaps from a wider perspective they are only
>doing what they must to survive.  <snip>

And so rises the ugly head of moral relativism.  Humans
have a show called "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" about a heroic
human girl battling evil human-murdering vampires.  So what if
the vampires had a show called "Darla the Slayer Killer" about
a heroic vampire girl battling an evil vampire-murdering human
(before Angel so abruptly cancelled the program)?

With regard to the "food chain" argument (and all of the moral
rationalizations we use to justify our place at the top):

Larger beasts of prey (the big cats, bears, etc...) were once
above us in the food chain, until we used tools to push
them below us (and then IMHO invented moral philosophies and
theologies to justify the new hierarchy).  With Buffyverse vamps,
it may be the same way.  They are physically superior to all
humans except Buffy, so tools (crosses, stakes, holy water etc...)
are the only way for mere mortals hold them off.

With the exception of Darla's John Woo-esque (or Reservoir Dogesque)
double blazing automatic pistols, I haven't seen vamps use tools or
technology that effectively.  Whereas our gang has its ancient weapons
plus the internet, plus goddess knows what else.  Barring some
major new mojo, the Master's forces were doomed from the outset,
like the large animal predators of old.

But I have a feeling that the much ballyhooed and hipper newcomer
vamps we've been promised may be a little more techno-savvy than
their forbearers.

Lisa

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:22:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: Neil Carnahan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: The Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno

i looked in tv guide and it's Leno.

On Mon, 8 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> is it letterman or Leno??
> someone know FOR SURE?
> miss hayse
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 12:42:55 PDT
From: "Victor Louie" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: A couple of new thoughts

Miss Hayse noted:


>that the Ally McBeal character looks alot like SMG will in fifteen
>years???  My roommate and I were struck by teh resemblance.
>miss hayse

I am definitely on the same wavelength with you here they look like they
could be sisters.  BTW the actress who plays Ally is named Calista
Flockheart.  Cool name, eh?

ObBuffy:  After reading "The Weapon" on the fanfic list and seeing the
promos for Ally McBeal I thought "Hey, if they did a similar story with
Buffy as the time traveler, they could use her."  (Lame, I know, but you
can't always come up with an award winner).

Only (ONLY!?!?) 7 more days,

Victor

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 15:53:01 +0600
From: [e-mail] (coop)
Subject: BUFFY: WGN and Buffy

Does anybody know when WGN's gonna show the season premere??? It's not
listed at all in my TV Guide....just wondering so I can tape it since I'm in
class most nites of the week...

COOP!!!
Chemistry is alot like Krynnish magic...you study the books, you make the
gestures, you mix the ingredients.  Then you pray to your respective
god/goddess that it works....

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:16:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: The Dark Knight <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: WGN and Buffy

At 03:53 PM 08/09/97 +0600, you wrote:
>Does anybody know when WGN's gonna show the season premere??? It's not
>listed at all in my TV Guide....just wondering so I can tape it since I'm in
>class most nites of the week...

I checked my satellite guide and Buffy is listed for Wednesday at 11pm EDT.

To the Batcave....

Batman

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:21:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Grace M. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: Grrr.  Argh!

I just checked the WGN website and found out that they're not going to be
showing the season premiere until September 20 here in Chicago.  (I'm
assuming this is because of the Cubs.)

Ah, well.  I'm usually a patient and forgiving person... and I LIKE
WGN-TV.  But I'm just a little bit anxious what with all these lovey dovey
rumors running amok  :)

glee
- ------
Xander:  To read makes our speaking English good.
     - "I Robot, You Jane"  Buffy the Vampire Slayer

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:42:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BUFFY: math quiz - you've gotta try this out

how the hell? It really did work!!!!

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:46:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: BUFFY: Conversation w/ a friend regarding Buffy

I was talking...well, obsessing over the show and Xander and Angel, and
saying how it's my favorite show, great theme song, love Nerf Herder, etc, :

Screenname changed to protect the ignorant:    it's so stupid!
DaisyFoo14:    what???????????????????
DaisyFoo14:    YOU ARE STUPID TO SAY THAT!!!!! DON"T TALK TO ME!
:    eww! pick someone else..............like some hot guy that u have actually
talked to......what about matt???? haha!
:    sorry!

I turned my ims off after that! Ugh! The absolute ignorance! I am disgusted!

Looking forward to Prophecy Girl tonight!

- -Allison [e-mail]-GASPer-Keeper of Big:Cordy's Cell
Phone,Sparkle Purse (WttH),X's Tweety Bird Watch (NKABOTFD),B's purple pink
lamp,Joyce's Earrings,"Effective Parenting" Tapes (WttH),G's dictionary
stand,Lance's notebook,  SHS lockers.Little: X's Superman Pajamas w/ Matching
Cape(+ Padded Feet),C's "Baby Prom Queen" Make-up Set,W's Lonely Ken Doll
(after Little X stole Barbie), Master's Blood-Flavored Toothpaste (he can't
wait to brush his fangs at night!)

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:46:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andrew Wagster <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: DISNEY thoughts

On Sun, 7 Sep 1997, Lisa Rose wrote:

> Well, Disney is reputed to have a vast underground complex
> beneath each of their parks (where the *real* control is
> located), shielded from the light of day, not unlike the
> Master's underground world.

I've been thinking of something along the lines of this for my next
fanfic... "The Happiest Place on Earth"? I don't *think* so. Heh heh
heh...

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:51:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andrew Wagster <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: I Robot -- You Jane question...

I was watching IRYJ for the second time a few days ago, and I noticed that
when Willow was scanning Moloch into the computer, she just dragged the
handheld scanner down the middle of the page, skipping a few columns of
symbols on both sides. Shouldn't Moloch have been affected by this, or
should we just assume that he found something on the Internet to replace
what had been left out?

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 18:29:36 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BUFFY: DISNEY thoughts

At 02:46 PM 9/8/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I've been thinking of something along the lines of this for my next
>fanfic... "The Happiest Place on Earth"? I don't *think* so. Heh heh
>heh...

Y'know, it would be interesting, since you could bring one of my faves from
the Malkavian Prankthology (which is hilarious if you share my twisted
sense of humor) to life:  Beheading Mickey & Minnie in a crowd of children.
 Heh heh heh.... Malkavians're cool...

- --Viashino--

Okay, so I'm sick.  What of it?

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:26:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rachel Elizabeth Hughes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: wgn +wb


I am also stuck with WGN carrying Buffy.  There is a method to there
madness.  If Buffy does not show up on Mondays, then she will be on
Wednesday nights at 11:00.

"There are a few things I will not tolerate at this school:
 Students loitering on campus after school hours
 Horrible axe murders with hearts being ripped out
 And also, no smoking!"
        -Principle Snyder- BtVS

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:26:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BUFFY: DISNEY thoughts

In a message dated 97-09-08 03:21:16 EDT, Lisa Rose  writes:

<< Well, Disney is reputed to have a vast underground complex
 beneath each of their parks (where the *real* control is
 located), shielded from the light of day, not unlike the
 Master's underground world. >>

I could just see it now:

Master: Darla, you will take Fronteir Land tonight. Make sure you drink the
blood of every little kid. Oh, and parents are extra points.

Darla: But master, i had Fronteir Land last week, i want Tommorow Land. How
come Luke always gets the good ones?

Miriam- President Buffaholics Anonymous
http//:members.aol.com/Divine1798/Buffy.html
Keeper of Giles' Water Pitcher-GASP  Keeper of Angel's Bloodlust and Fate
Keeper of Little Angel's white shirts Keeper of Little Buffy's Go-Go Galoshes
Keeper of Little Xander's polyester Boyswear Keeper of Little Willows Hacker
Barbie
"We saved the world, I say we party!"-Buffy

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 18:33:27 -0700
From: Lawless <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: The Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno

[e-mail] wrote:

> Sorry if this is a dumb question, but when was Sarah on Letterman?

About ten years ago. It wasn't anything big.

Lawless

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 16:03:57 -0700
From: "Christopher B. Castro" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: A couple of new thoughts

JJ wrote:
>my understanding of the internet is that for someone to find information in
>it, someone has to put information *on* it.  So, who put the information on
>it?  Who's building web pages to obscure arcanum *and* linking them to
>search engines, and why doesn't our intrepid team seem curious about it?

I'm thinking that much of it has to do with the fact that it's not
convenient and a little too distracting for Joss/other writers to address
these things while another plotline is unfolding. However, we've already
witnessed one source, Brother Luca (and boy, do you know about Brother
Luca), and perhaps other sources of arcane information will pop up in
conversation or may somehow become intertwined with the plot. I'd like to
see an episode where Willow or Ms. Calendar find some freak who's posting
instructions for summoning demons (real instructions, mind you, not the
fascinations and hobbies of nose-picking neo-nazi punks who claim to be from
the Reformed Church of Satan who's real hobby is sitting at home watching
Jenny Jones and MTV and hanging around 7-11s 24-7--okay, this is getting a
little too involved). And so, they find this creep who's triggered the
attention of several Sunnydale students who inadvertently loose the minions
of Beelzebub on Math Class or something...and you get the picture..

}:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** **BABS Loremaster**
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