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buffy Digest           Monday, June 23 1997           Volume 01 : Number 157



In this issue:

    Re: BUFFY: BtVS Character Names
    Re: BUFFY: Solstice Talk, Attractiveness, et al
    BUFFY: Note from Jesse
    BUFFY: BtVS Character Names
    Re: BUFFY: How old is Alyson
    Re: BUFFY: A question from a newbie
    BUFFY: 3 girls pic/mag
    BUFFY: That Fake Keeper, and Lying
    BUFFY: Re: Beauty
    Re: BUFFY: Re: Beauty
    BUFFY: Goin' to ComicCon
    Re: BUFFY: Goin' to ComicCon
    BUFFY: Re: Beauty
    BUFFY: Buffy Dubba
    Re: BUFFY: Goin' to ComicCon
    Re: BUFFY: Goin' to ComicCon
    BUFFY: Buffy Theme Song
    BUFFY: Mission: Successful!
    BUFFY: OFF: Oh Dear EarthQuake!
    BUFFY: HOW DO WE GET IN TOUCH WITH WB?
    BUFFY: HOW DO WE GET IN TOUCH WITH WB?
    Re: BUFFY: Mission: Successful!
    Re: BUFFY: Buffy Theme Song
    Re: BUFFY: HOW DO WE GET IN TOUCH WITH WB?
    BUFFY: Fan Name
    Re: BUFFY: Re: Beauty
    BUFFY: Title Sequence Questions, etc.
    Re: BUFFY: Mission: Successful!
    Re: BUFFY: Fan Name
    Re: BUFFY: Fan Name
    BUFFY: Re:Fan Name
    BUFFY: Earthqaukes and Buffy
    RE: BUFFY: Fan Clubs
    BUFFY: Re: Insane Ramblings of a Buffy Lover....
    BUFFY: I'm Outta Here
    BUFFY: ALL fan clubs?

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:22:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BUFFY: BtVS Character Names

In a message dated 97-06-23 03:26:40 EDT, you write:

>  that the name Xander is a form of
>  'Alexander'.

In the ep with the Witch, Willow and Buffy were looking on the computer
checking out who checked out the books on witchcraft  they both said Xander's
full name: Alexander Harris.

Wolfkazzy
Keeper of Angel's Soul
"I can walk like a man, but I'm not one."--Angel

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:25:17 -0500
From: Tracey Newton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Solstice Talk, Attractiveness, et al

Ok, here's a bunch of responses on different topics that have randomly
appeared in my head while I was checking my e-mail and pretending to do
work:

On the Solstice Topic:

    Luke mentions something about "three days after the newest light".
We don't know what "newest light" is talking about.  It could be the new
moon...I don't know how soon after the new moon comes the cresent moon
though.  It could be the birth of a new star that was simply not mentioned,
but is crucial to the destiny line.  I think Giles had the more precise
reference with the first cresent moon after the Solstice.

On the Would Buffy have Fighting Companions if She Wasn't Attractive Topic:

    I think all slayers will have the innate attractiveness that comes
from extreme physical fitness, youth, health, and a purpose.  So, Buffy
would have that at the very very least.  Other than that, I think she would
always be able to find someone/somebodies to support her, though perhaps
not to the extent that Willow and Xander do...I think she is just very very
lucky in this instance.

That's all my ramblings for now!!

Be well,

Tracey

[e-mail]
Keeper of the Cluelessness of the Rest of the School

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:41:22 -0400
From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: Note from Jesse

This bounced due to an administrative request in it.  Can't quite figure
out what it is, but I masked what I think is the offending term.  --S

*****

From: Jesse Jou <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: mo' combined replies

Kathryn the Librarian wrote:
>>  Or are there good sides to living on the
>>  Hellmouth?

If you're an unpopular guy, you stand a good chance of getting lucky with
some undead chick who gives great hickeys and getting turned into some
unspeakably horrific, but masculine and potent, m*mber of the legions of
the damned (like Jesse).

If you're an unpopular girl, you stand a good chance of getting lucky with
some tortured undead hunk who is totally into respecting "boundaries" and
who can't bring himself to give you a hickey although you'd probably slice
open a vein for him if he just blinked at you funny (like Buffy).

On the bad side...
If you're an unpopular guy, you stand a good chance of being mated and
mutilated with a chick who's really a praying mantis or getting possessed
by an animal spirit that gives you a yen for porcine sushi (like Xander)

If you're an unpopular girl, you stand a good chance of hooking up with
some Internet sicko who doesn't even have the decency to be a human being
or falling for the potentially fatal version of the old "I know a shortcut
through the cemetery" schtick when all you wanted was some "Chunky Monkey"
from Ben & J's (like Willow).

Re:  Cordelia Chase Must Die!  the thread.
Maybe Cordelia could be kinda like the Adric character of BtVS and she can
be annoying and smart for a season then sacrifice herself for the group and
(to steal from Reality Bites) everyone shows up at her funeral in chokers
and haltertops.  And then over the closing credits they could show her pair
of $200 shoes only with a broken heel.  Very symbolic and Buffy could be
quite moved.  ;-)

Re:  The Solstice Thread Must Die!  the thread.
Again Maytree has given us another excellently argued analysis that has
raised nothing but more excellent questions.  She is a mighty instigator of
discourse and I salute her!  Huzzah!  :-) I think that the producers and
Joss just didn't do their research on this point and decided to go for the
"ooooooh, they used the word solstice so it must be something magical and
mysterious!" factor.

Wow, the weekends always produce such interesting things!

JJ





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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:47:20 -0400
From: BalloJ <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: BtVS Character Names

as a practising forensic pathologist just a thought:

from the OED:
buffy (<ph>"bUfI</ph>), a.1
[f. buff n.2 and a. + -y1.]
1. Of a colour approaching to buff.
1842 Blackw. Mag. LI. 678 A buffy line across the horizon.
1850 Fraser<cq>s Mag. XLII. 188 Tail feathers with buffy white
terminations.
2. Physiol. Applied to blood having a <oq>buff<cq> or buffy coat.
1782 S. F. Simmons in Med. Commun. I. 122 A coagulum.. of a firm buffy
texture.
1827 Abernethy Surg. Wks. II. 11 The blood, on standing, appeared very
buffy.
1835<min>6 Todd Cycl. Anat. & Phys. I. 424/2 A buffy crust is..formed on
the surface of the clo

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:21:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BUFFY: How old is Alyson

In a message dated 97-06-23 00:20:04 EDT, [e-mail] (Jennifer
Hawthorne) writes:

<< Why do casting directors never put high school age kids in high school
roles
 >?  You would think that woulld be a logical conclusion for most shows, eh ?
  >>

Also, if the series continues for a few years, and the show isn't supposed
to, like it takes place in one year, the character changes in the younger
actors would be much more dramatic and noticeable.

- --Allison
[e-mail]
Keeper of Cordelia's Cell phone
Cordelia: "It's just such a tragedy for me. Emma was like my best friend!"
Xander: "Emily."

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:27:58 -0600
From: "Jodie Lee King" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: A question from a newbie

Wolfkazzy asks:
> Any speculations on David's height?
Is *just perfect* specific enough?? <g> Wish they would update the David
Boreanaz Bio on the official web site.  He's even more mysterious that
Angel.


>Nobody knows for sure but the current speculation is that he lives near or
by the Bronze and also he **could** be the owner of theBronze.

I have oft wondered where he gets his income.  (I suppose his food bills
aren't high.  Do you think vampires with souls might pizza just to be
sociable.)  He must be paying some kind of rent or something and of course
there are the power bills, plus clothing and furniture.  It would be great
if he owned the Bronze.  Wonder where he gets his blood supply and how
often he has to top it up.

Jodie

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:43:52 PDT
From: "Maddy :)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: 3 girls pic/mag

 there was this pic of
>the women of BtVS (Sarah, Charisma, and Alyson) standing in front of
the
>lockers and laughing away.



This pic is on my Sarah page in the picture gallery-public
appearances/magazine section

www.internet2k.com/sarahworld


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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:32:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sonja Marie <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: That Fake Keeper, and Lying

Hi all,

If you are wondering that person who was plagiarzing my GASPer site
finally emailed me back to say she changed the site (but she is still
trying to give away stuff ppl already keep), but get this - she tried to
claim that she never saw my site:

<Well...I have never even seen ur web page for one. And what are GASPers?
I looked at all my video tapes and got this stuff from there ok? Plus a
lot of people asked me to put this stuff on there so I don't kno where u
are getting this from. If u are so angry, I have takin stuff off these
lists and I have changed stuff so that's what i will do. If someone emails
me and asks if they wanna keep something then so be it..Ur list is on ur
page..And my list is on my page..now some people who didn't get a chance
to keep anything on any other list..can now keep something on mine.  Thank
You.  If u have anything else to say, email me. o and if u wanna be nice,
u could help me make up some more stuff.  ~Angel Girl (\0/)>

First she plagiarizes my site and then she lies that she did it when she
got caught red handed, my reply:

Well, I don't believe you, know why?

Cause some of these things didn't exist on the show ppl made them up
(Library Card, Insecurity, Barvery, Lost Faith, Elusive Smile) and I have
all 110 emails proving each claim and creation of each title if it wasn't
on the show.

And another thing it looks like you went down the list of keepers on my
pages an copied most of them, Cause on my page it starts out with "Coats&
Ties - MINE, Dread Machine - Elaine's and Library Keys - Cagey's, and
looky here, that's how yours starts out to, but without the rightful
keepers next time them!

And if you really did make them up yourself why didn't you just separate
Coats and Ties as one section each, unlike me who claimed them together.

There was no library card shown on the show for Giles, the keeper made it
up, and why not just "Smile" but instead "Elusive Smile"?  Because you
stole it from the person who made it up, and the only place to do that is
from my site!

You are obviously very young and have no idea how many ppl you've pissed
off.  Well I have informed 4 mailing lists that deal with the show, the
Official Buffy Postingboard that the creator of the show and the actress
who plays Willow reads and posts at, the presidents of the other Keeper
clubs and the GASPers who you thought you would take their stuff from and
give to other ppl about what you have done.  So I suspect you will be
getting quite a few angry letters.

Yes you have changed your site, and I'm glad for that.  But I'll still
warn you that the ppl who's stuff is still listed there will still get mad
and email you.  And don't expect many visitors, cause I will not be
listing your site on my Buffy Links Page - considered the best list of
links on the net, and since I know most of the owners of the Buffy Pages
on the net, I will personally ask them not to link your site, so that the
only way anyone will find it, is if they do a web search.

- --

If you want the URL for her site to see if she is still trying to give
away what you keep and her email address, email me PRIVATELY and I'll sned
them to you.

Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html
Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html
Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html
Owner of the Jeff Fahey Mailing List & The Paul Wylie Mailing List
Pres. of Giles Appreciation Society Panters -GASP!- Keeper of Giles Coats&Ties
"Because I'm English, I'm Strange Anyway" - Anthony Stewart Head (Giles - BTVS)

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:33:35 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: BUFFY: Re: Beauty

On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 02:47:33 -0700 RAS <[e-mail]> writes:

>People often say that physical beauty isn't important to them but, in
>reality it is the first impression of a person. Just my 2 cents worth.


I think we think too highly of ourselves as a species.  While such high
self-regard may be deserved, it's effect usually results in vanity and
foolishness.

We forget that we are also of the animal kingdom, and subject to the Laws
of Nature.  The primary law being that of survival including the urge to
reproduce.  Think about it, what lies at the basis of the urge to
reproduce?  Sexual attraction!  The various courting dances of various
species, the mane of the horse, the feathers and colors of birds, so it
is with humans, the outward appearance triggers biological responses.  To
deny it is to deny your humanity.

The best thing is not to make a big deal out of beauty or ugliness but to
acknowledge what you see, acknowledge what you feel, learn and grow.

Waning Philosophically,
funee

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:20:43 -0400
From: Jesse Jou <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Beauty

At 1:33 PM -0400 6/23/97, [e-mail] wrote:
>Sexual attraction!  The various courting dances of various
>species, the mane of the horse, the feathers and colors of birds, so it
>is with humans, the outward appearance triggers biological responses.  To
>deny it is to deny your humanity.
Good points, funee, but I think it's worth mentioning that the human
species is about the only species that rationalizes sexual attraction and
is just about the only species that can control its sexual response (I
won't speak for all species because I'm no zoologist and there may be
complex patterns of behavior that may suggest unarticulated rules of sexual
behavior in the animal kingdom.)

To apply this to Buffy:  Would you care to speculate how the Mantis chick
fits into the whole the "let's go at it like Lady and the Tramp" vs. the
"we are *higher* beings!" argument?  I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.

Also, I think we all agree that the entire cast of BtVS are hotties, but I
notice that only three major cast members have had specific comments made
about their sexual desirability within the context of the show: Buffy
(Xander and Jesse in WttH), Cordelia (it's her beauty that Marcy tries to
destroy), and Angel (obviously, no more "Angel is soooooooo hot!"
please!!!! :-) ).  So what's the rationale here, d'ya think?  I mean, I
think they are all equally attractive in my subjective opinion, but
apparently in the world of the show, there is a heirarchy of desirability?
What are the distinguishing factors?

Hmmm.

JJ

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:18:00 -0700
From: "SCOTT [e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: Goin' to ComicCon

Just so you all know...

I will also be returning to ComicCon this year for the entire run.  I will
of
course be there for Joss and Alyson's presentations, so perhaps some of us
can
meet face-to-face!

Scott
The WB Television Network

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:47:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mano Billi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Goin' to ComicCon

Hi Guyz...
    Where is ComicCon at? Timing, date, and etc.
Thanks

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:47:07 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: BUFFY: Re: Beauty

On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:20:43 -0400 Jesse Jou <[e-mail]>
writes:
>At 1:33 PM -0400 6/23/97, [e-mail] wrote:

>is just about the only species that can control its sexual response (I

We observe certain rules of social conduct in regards to sexual
behaviour.   However outside of that it is foolish to think that we are
anymore different than any other species.  Not everyone finds the same
things sexually attractive in people, but there are certain biological
responses that we all share that lead to the moment and consequences of
sex.

>To apply this to Buffy:  Would you care to speculate how the Mantis
>chick
>fits into the whole the "let's go at it like Lady and the Tramp" vs.
>

The Mantis chick episode was hilarious.  How the Mantis expected
frightened teenagers to fertilize her eggs was beyond me.  She should
have stayed in her human form if she wanted a sperm donation.   (:

>think they are all equally attractive in my subjective opinion, but
>apparently in the world of the show, there is a heirarchy of
>desirability?
>What are the distinguishing factors?


I don't think you can say they are all "equally attractive".  You must
have preferences.  There is no hierarchy of desirability other than what
Hollywood or magazine ads or tv commercials may
consciously/subconsciously indoctrinate people with.  This is something
that also varies from society to society. For example, if you grew up in
that country (in Asia or Africa?) where the women progressively insert
bigger and bigger rings in their mouths to make their lips stick out, do
you think Sarah Michelle Gellar would win a Beauty Contest over there?
Do you think Sarah would be considered a beautiful girl in every country
and society?

Of course, this is not to say that things aren't constantly changing and
evolving.  In the Asian countries the ideal female beauty was considered
willowy, slender, delicate.  Now that Western culture (jeans, tv, video,
music, movies, etc) permeates every part of the globe, the more fuller
figure may have entered into their idea of female beauty.

To take it a step further, do you think those vampires find each other
attractive when they put on their vampire faces?  They obviously don't
find the humans attractive, they look at humans as a meal rather than
sexual objects.  Darla called Angel sick because of his love for Buffy.

Whole buncha stuff thrown out here for some lively discussion!  Thanks
for your thoughts Jesse.
funee

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:45:00 -0700
From: "SCOTT [e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: Buffy Dubba

Just wanted to make sure you all watched to the very, very end of Buffy
tonight because we will be running the cut of the image piece (Dubba-Dance)
that
features a lot of SMG.  Watch all the way or you'll miss it!

Scott
The WB Television Network

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:00:30 PDT
From: "Holiday Golightly" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Goin' to ComicCon

On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:18:00 -0700, Scott Woodard wrote:

>I will also be returning to ComicCon this year for the entire run.

I am seething with jealously as we speak. :) Do you know if Nick is
attending (someone on the Buffy Postingboard insinuated he was).

Holly
[e-mail]



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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:01:51 PDT
From: "Holiday Golightly" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Goin' to ComicCon

On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:18:00 -0700, Scott Woodard wrote:

>I will also be returning to ComicCon this year for the entire run.

I am seething with jealously as we speak. :) Do you know if Nick is
attending (someone on the Buffy Postingboard insinuated he was).

Holly
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:59:00 -0700
From: "SCOTT [e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: Buffy Theme Song

I'm taking a poll!!!  Hooray!!!

Please send all responses to MY E-mail address:

1)  Do you like or dislike the theme to Buffy The Vampire Slayer by nerf
herder?

2)  Explain why you like or dislike the theme.

Please try to reply by the end of the week.

Thanks,

Scott
The WB Television Network

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:26:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sonja Marie <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: Mission: Successful!

Hi all,

Hopefully this will be my last post regarding this whole problem with
Plagiarism and Fake Keeper Lists.

Apparantly enough of us have emailed AngelGrl to the point where she was
forced to remove her pages and put this message up:

<Due to some bad mail I've gotten, I am taking the lists off my page. I
don't want anymore trouble. If anyone has any suggestions on how to fill
this space up, please email me at [e-mail]. Thank You.>

Well all I have left to say is if she didn't want trouble she shouldn't
have done it in the first place!  And as for suggestions?  Something
uniquely her own, cause I don't think anyone will stand for her trying to
copy from them any more!

Thank you all for your support in this manner, and who says the power of
the written word is dead?!  We have shown that the pen (email) is mighter
then the sword!

Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html
Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html
Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html
Owner of the Jeff Fahey Mailing List & The Paul Wylie Mailing List
Pres. of Giles Appreciation Society Panters -GASP!- Keeper of Giles Coats&Ties
"Because I'm English, I'm Strange Anyway" - Anthony Stewart Head (Giles - BTVS)

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:18:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sonja Marie <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: OFF: Oh Dear EarthQuake!

Hi all,

Seattle just had a mild earthquake - AGAIN!  This is like the 3rd one in a
year in a half that has shook my house.  I hate, hate earthquakes!  I'm
waiting to find out how big it was this time, it's just now being
mentioned on the news.  But it's not being confirmed as one yet. If that
wasn't one, I don't know what it was one, just that I'm shaken!

Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html
Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html
Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html
Owner of the Jeff Fahey Mailing List & The Paul Wylie Mailing List
Pres. of Giles Appreciation Society Panters -GASP!- Keeper of Giles Coats&Ties
"Because I'm English, I'm Strange Anyway" - Anthony Stewart Head (Giles - BTVS)

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:12:34 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: BUFFY: HOW DO WE GET IN TOUCH WITH WB?

This question mainly is for Scott I guess, my sister wats to send in some
story line ideas and so do I .... where do we send them to and will they
ever get looked at?  I mean is it even worth it?


Danielle
Keeper of Buffy and Angel's tortured love
Keeper of Nikki's (MAIDENNICOLE), sisterhood. hehehe
Slayerette
"Look....theres a bad guy."  (kick) bad guy  falls to the ground

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:38:00 -0700
From: "SCOTT [e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: HOW DO WE GET IN TOUCH WITH WB?

>This question mainly is for Scott I guess, my sister wats to send in some
>story line ideas and so do I .... where do we send them to and will they
>ever get looked at?  I mean is it even worth it?

Unfortunately, you can't do this without an agent.  20th Century Fox
Television (the studio responsible for Buffy) does not accept
unsolicited material in any way, shape or form (believe me, I wrote
a Buffy teleplay and I'm working on getting an agent to represent me
as I speak!)

Scott
The WB Television Network

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:31:09 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Mission: Successful!

SONJA wrote:

<<Well all I have left to say is if she didn't want trouble she shouldn't
have done it in the first place!  And as for suggestions?  Something
uniquely her own, cause I don't think anyone will stand for her trying to
copy from them any more!>>

I might be the only one who feels this way, but you made your point about
this angel girl.......we all know what she did was wrong, but can we
please stop talking about it.  Flaming her any further won't do any good,
she has taken the lists off her site and knows what she did is
wrong....so I feel it should just be dropped.  To be honest  with you
when someone copies you it is a form of flattery, and she might not have
thought of it as wrong she might have just liked your ideas.  So you know
just chill and think of it that way instead.

Danielle
Keeper of Buffy and Angel's tortured love
Keeper of Nikki's (MAIDENNICOLE), sisterhood. hehehe
Slayerette
"Look....there's a bad guy."  (kick) bad guy  falls to the ground

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:52:20 -0700
From: Lawless <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy Theme Song

First question, are they planning on adding new scenes to the opening
next season, or use the same ones from this season?  That's the only
change I'd like to see.

Second question: Scott: Have you guys recieved any letters to the show
about Buffy?  I was wondering what the reaction to those had been and
how much response you guys have gotten from fans on it, since I know a
few of us on the mailing list sent letters in.

- -Lawless

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:53:54 -0700
From: Lawless <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: HOW DO WE GET IN TOUCH WITH WB?

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> This question mainly is for Scott I guess, my sister wats to send in some
> story line ideas and so do I .... where do we send them to and will they
> ever get looked at?  I mean is it even worth it?

From what Scott's said before, I'm guessing not.  Joss has said that
they don't use or look at story ideas from anyone who isn't a writer on
the show. But you can always write it up as fanfic.

- -lawless

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:00:00 -0700
From: "SCOTT [e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: Fan Name

Haven't really been following the fan name debate (although everywhere you
turn its there in one form or another) and I was wondering if anyone
has suggested "Slayeryte"?  Kinda like an "acolyte, which means "one who
attends or assists:  FOLLOWER."

Just so you know, the "-yte" is pronounced like "-ite" as in "kite".

Its close to "Slayerette" which a lot of people like, but has a harder,
cooler edge to it...

Scott
The WB Television Network

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:15:17 -0400
From: Jesse Jou <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Beauty

At 2:47 PM -0400 6/23/97, [e-mail] wrote:
>I don't think you can say they are all "equally attractive".  You must
>have preferences.
Not really. What usually predicates preference is sexual desire, imo, i.e.,
gosh, Willow is cute, but Cordelia is a babe!  or Xander is adorable, but I
just wanna pull Angel down on top of me. I think it's very easy to consider
a group like this equally attractive without having a preference per se.
It's what I call the Grandparent school of physical attractiveness
assessment (Oh, look, aren't these the most beautiful children you've ever
seen!  You could have any boy/girl you wanted, you're so pretty!)  I wonder
how many of us have this attitude towards this cast:  like, they're all
pretty, but the idea of getting with any of them is kind of disgusting and
incestuous (beyond being improbable!). :-)  I don't wanna be alone on this,
so someone please agree with me!!!!!

>Do you think Sarah would be considered a beautiful girl in every country
>and society?
I'll agree with you that that wouldn't be the case.

>Now that Western culture (jeans, tv, video,
>music, movies, etc) permeates every part of the globe, the more fuller
>figure may have entered into their idea of female beauty.
Let's remember that even the "fuller" figure of Western Culture is still
pretty anorexic.  Female body image has been remarkably fickle throughout
Western history whilst male body image has been relatively stable, and it's
unclear to me who establishes the standard, but i'm getting off topic... ;-)

>To take it a step further, do you think those vampires find each other
>attractive when they put on their vampire faces?  They obviously don't
>find the humans attractive, they look at humans as a meal rather than
>sexual objects.  Darla called Angel sick because of his love for Buffy.
Excellent points!  Remember Darla says to Angel something about Buffy
seeing his "true" face (i guess,game face) and giving him a kiss, but of
course his face prior to his vampirization would be his true face, right?
Oy, those vamps and their subjective standards of beauty.  (BTW, does
anyone else think that both Angel and Buffy's vamp prosthetics (Buffy's
from Nightmares) were designed to still be attractive by human standards
(in that Ron Perlman Beast way).  Unfortunately the same wasn't true with
Darla, who has an attractive human face, but looked like she fell off the
ugly truck in vamp makeup.)

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:06:00 -0700
From: "SCOTT [e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: Title Sequence Questions, etc.

>First question, are they planning on adding new scenes to the opening
>next season, or use the same ones from this season?  That's the only
>change I'd like to see.

I don't know, but I would be surprised if they didn't "update" the
intro.

>Second question: Scott: Have you guys recieved any letters to the show
>about Buffy?  I was wondering what the reaction to those had been and
>how much response you guys have gotten from fans on it, since I know a
>few of us on the mailing list sent letters in.

Yes, the letters have come in and keep coming in.  Keep up the
snail mail because believe it or not, some of the folks in the
publicity department have yet to discover the wonderful world of
E-mail.

Scott
The WB Television Network

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:19:16 -0700
From: Terrie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Mission: Successful!

On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, [e-mail] wrote:
To be honest  with you
>when someone copies you it is a form of flattery, and she might not have
>thought of it as wrong she might have just liked your ideas.  So you know
>just chill and think of it that way instead.

I think the issue here is not that she copied others' pages -- if that was a
problem, most pages wouldn't be in existance (Hmmm, what do we have here? Bios,
the offical websites images, a bit on how hot David and/or Sarah is, and episode
summeries. Again!) The issue was that she copied it WORD FOR WORD. She gave no
credit to those who did the work in coming up with non-obvious things to keep,
and those who did a lot of hard work in putting together keepers pages.

I was one of the people who wrote her to complain. This is the resopnse I got:

If u have not already seen..I have taken these lists off of my page a few
hours ago..and maybe u should tell all ur buddies that I have done so because
I do not need any more b/s ing from anyone. I have taken them off..maybe u
should reload the page or get a new browser...

Rude, isn't it? For one thing, I wrote her this morning, right after looking at
her page, a good three or four hours before the page was changed. Secondly, I
resent the implication that I went around calling my friends to go harrass this
person. I wrote a polite letter saying that I was offended by her page, told her
why, and asked her to please remove the lists. In response, I got accused of
malicious behavior.

This is pretty much a dead issue now. She changed the page. For her own
convience, rather then curtsy, but the lists are gone. We proved that, even if
we don't have an offical name for ourselves ;), we still have unity. For the
most part. Sure, everyone's going to get really tired of the Keeping issue, and
the GASP'ers are going to drive the rest of us nuts (kidding!), and there are
definalty times when we're going to want to beat our heads against the wall. But
we'll get through it. We'll watch Buffy, analyze it to death, and argue over
which quote was the best for a long time to come. (I hope).

- -Terrie
Keeper of Angel's Fridge
"Grrr, Argh"

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:27:24 -0600
From: "Jodie Lee King" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Fan Name

Scott wrote

>"Slayeryte"?  Kinda like an "acolyte, which means "one who attends or
assists:  FOLLOWER."

>Its close to "Slayerette" which a lot of people like, but has a harder,
cooler edge to it...

Slayeryte....I like that idea.  The ending *ette* is, gramatically
speaking, the *feminine diminutive* of a word and, as such, is not
particularly flattering.

Jodie

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:35:11 -0700
From: Terrie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Fan Name

On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, "SCOTT [e-mail]"
>Haven't really been following the fan name debate and I was wondering if anyone
>has suggested "Slayeryte"?
>Its close to "Slayerette" which a lot of people like, but has a harder,
>cooler edge to it...

This is cool. I have to admit, I've been an advocate for "Slayerette", but i
like Scott's idea MUCH better. As Scoot said, it has a harder edge to it, which
suits shows image.

- -Terrie
Keeper of Angel's Fridge
"Grrr, Argh"

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:35:49 PDT
From: "Maddy :)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: Re:Fan Name

>Scott wrote
>
>>"Slayeryte"?  Kinda like an "acolyte, which means "one who attends or
>assists:  FOLLOWER."
>
>>Its close to "Slayerette" which a lot of people like, but has a
harder,
>cooler edge to it...
>
>Slayeryte....I like that idea.  The ending *ette* is, gramatically
>speaking, the *feminine diminutive* of a word and, as such, is not
>particularly flattering.
>
>Jodie


I didn't know we were still discussing this but (my 2 cents) I like
slayeryte, too.
Maddy:)


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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:54:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sonja Marie <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: Earthqaukes and Buffy

Hi all,

Sorry if I upset anyone by posting the off topic post about the Earthquake
we had here in Seattle.  I should have made it Buffy related by saying
stuff like:

"What do you think think 5.1?" Master - Prophecy Girl (last report had it
had 4.9)

Or "HELP The Hellmouth is opening under Seattle, send Buffy and Crew, esp
Giles!" :D

I was still to shaken to add the ObBuffy stuff to the email. So for that
I'm sorry!

Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html
Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html
Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html
Owner of the Jeff Fahey Mailing List & The Paul Wylie Mailing List
Pres. of Giles Appreciation Society Panters -GASP!- Keeper of Giles Coats&Ties
"Because I'm English, I'm Strange Anyway" - Anthony Stewart Head (Giles - BTVS)

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 97 13:31:21 UT
From: "Dawn Hargraves" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: BUFFY: Fan Clubs

<Does anyone have a Cordelia, Xander, or Willow fan club and how do we <join ?

I know there should be a Cordila Fan club everybody just forgets about her.
She is not an extra she is one of the character.  I think she deserves more
credit.

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:32:50 EDT
From: [e-mail] (The Archangel Gabriel)
Subject: BUFFY: Re: Insane Ramblings of a Buffy Lover....

Greetings all, Archangel here and I must admit to felling a bit dense
today.  I've been playing with a fanfic idea for some time now and
finally, due mostly to a fit of ansomnia, wrote the first chapter.  My
only problem now is I don't have the foggiest idea where to post the damn
thing for feedback.  If someone would be kind enough to send me address
I'd be most appreciative.

On a totally dissimilar topic.

On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 Jesse Jou writes:
>Unfortunately the same wasn't true with Darla, who has an attractive
human >face, but looked like she fell off the ugly truck in vamp makeup.)
First the nice response then the defensive one.  Perhaps the make up for
Buffy and Angel were done more carefully, being that they're regular
characters.  Whereas they knew they were going to ice Darla anyway, why
do all that work if she's not going to be around next season anyway.
Here's my defensive response. DON'T BE MESSIN' WITH DARLA MAN!!!  Call me
kinky but....I thought....she looked....well....HOT!! O.K. I thought she
looked hot.  Jeez.  As a Human...."Salty Goodness", as a vamp....well
let's just say if there's room in her coffin, I'll bring the bubbly.

Tooth and nail is alright by me,

THE "ARCH" ANGEL
KEEPER OF XANDER'S TENNIS BALL OF UNFULFILLED TEEN LOVE
Howza 'bout KEEPER OF DARLA'S GAME FACE (Being that I seem to be the only
one who likes it....My Lord I need to get a date!!!)

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:43:04 -0700
From: Jennifer Hawthorne <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: I'm Outta Here

Hey folks --

Just so people don't think I'm ignoring them, I wanted to let people know
that I'm leaving this list. If you reply to one of my recent posts here and
want an answer, you're welcome to send your message to me via personal
email.  (I'm not leaving Buffy fandom -- I'm just heading over to the
Planet-X list and since many of you are on both lists I'll see you over
there ;)

It's been fun!
- -- Maytree
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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:43:22 PDT
From: "Maddy :)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BUFFY: ALL fan clubs?

><Does anyone have a Cordelia, Xander, or Willow fan club and how do we
<join ?


Does anyone have a page with EVERY club(BtVS related)listed?

I think it would be really good to have one of those.
Does anyone wanna start one?  If not I can.
Maddy:)


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