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From: buffy-owner@xmission.com (buffy Digest)
To: buffy-digest@xmission.com
Subject: buffy Digest V1 #60
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buffy Digest Wednesday, May 7 1997 Volume 01 : Number 060
In this issue:
Re: BUFFY: RE: Crossovers I would like to see ... -Reply -Reply
Re: BUFFY: Buffy question:In a fight Buffy vs The Highlander?
Re: BUFFY: "The Puppet Show" quote list
Re: BUFFY: Willow's hair color
Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"?
BUFFY: New Anita book is out
BUFFY: ratings
Re: BUFFY: Buffy question:In a fight Buffy vs The Highlander?
BUFFY: Keepers of What?
BUFFY: keeper of...
RE: BUFFY: Angel for next season
BUFFY: BUFFY's Joss Whedon and Bionic Script?
Re: BUFFY: Angel for next season
Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"?
Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"?
Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"?
Re: BUFFY: Willow, Angel Acronyms and Stuff
Re: BUFFY: Next Week's previews
BUFFY: Random babbling(may contain spoilers)
Re: BUFFY: ratings
BUFFY: SPOILER for May 19
Re: BUFFY: Random babbling(may contain spoilers)
Re: BUFFY: Random babbling(may contain spoilers)
BUFFY: keeper of...
BUFFY: Buffy on Headline News
Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"?
Re: BUFFY: SPOILER for May 19
Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"?
Re: BUFFY: "Keeping" stuff
Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"?
BUFFY: h[D
Re: BUFFY: h[D
Re: BUFFY: Next Week's previews
Re: BUFFY: Willow, Angel Acronyms and Stuff
Re: BUFFY: "The Puppet Show" quote list (spoilers)
Re: BUFFY: Boots (was "keeping stuff")
See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy
or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues.
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Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 20:56:53 -0400
From: Benjamin Z-Church <bchurch@su.edu>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: RE: Crossovers I would like to see ... -Reply -Reply
How about a Buffy/Hellraiser crossover?
Ben "I've fallen and I can't get up!" Church
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:12:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: DaBill@aol.com
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy question:In a fight Buffy vs The Highlander?
In a message dated 97-05-06 20:56:13 EDT, aduty@norfolk.infi.net (Andrew
Duty) writes:
<< >I go with the Highlander.I like Buffy but one wack with the sword.
>Hasta la Vista Baby. What do you think?
> Lance C
>"Friends dont shake hands. Friends gotta hug!!!"
Yeah but Buffy gets by with help from her friends. Duncan fights
alone. Take last night for instance, Xander holds the guillotine, Sid whacks
the demon from behind, and Buffy throws it into the slice and dice. I'd pit
Buffy and gang against Duncan any day.
Andrew
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ----------------------
Buffy would slay the highlander in a matter of heartbeats
Buffy: We haven't been properly introduced! I'm Buffy and you're...history!
Duncan: (-DEAD-) :-(
that is what would happen
Bill
Vellucci
DaBill@aol.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:23:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: CREATVJUSZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: BUFFY: "The Puppet Show" quote list
In a message dated 5/6/97 12:23:05 PM, you wrote:
<<B-I'm not just some crazy person. I'm the Slayer.
X-The dummy slayer?
>>
what was it that Xander said after that line?
Brenda
Creatvjusz@aol.com
(Proud) Keeper of Willow's Rubber Duckie T-shirt
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 06 May 97 21:07:11 PDT
From: James Walsh <jmwalsh@pouch.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Willow's hair color
iv noticed its become reder aswell
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 20:48:34 -0500
From: David Rieck <drieck@iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"?
At 08:27 PM 5/6/97 -0400, Piper wrote:
>So, there could be say, five teenage vampire "killers" out there now.
And
>Buffy, being a virtuoso, is the "Slayer". Kinda like tryouts. I don't
know about
>this. The other girls would be pissed as hell if they found out.
Well, not necessarily. Buffy really has yet to accept the job. She
didn't want it to begin with. Would any of the other girls want to be
stuck with it either? I mean, running around jabbing vampires with
wooden stakes isn't the most attractive career choice. But hey,
somebody's got to do it. What would we do without our weekly dose of
demon jabbing? :)
David Rieck
<bigger>----
"Actually this is a common misconception...I do *not* in fact have a lot
of time on my hands at all! I just have a very very very very bad sense
of priorities."
-- Dean Engelhardt
</bigger>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:16:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: SS1395@aol.com
Subject: BUFFY: New Anita book is out
The new Anita Blake book is in stores now, and so far its great. Its called
Killing Dance.
Back to Buffy
I love the humor of this show. I wonder, does anyone know if Armin
Shimmerman will be a recurring character? It seems so. It would be weird,
the same actor on my 2 favorate shows. Some times, when the principal was
talking, I was picturing Quark, especially when they were at the end of the
dark theater.
By the way, I asked Ronald D. Moore about the Trek similarities, and he had
no idea, he has never seen the show, but he will watch next week to see. His
wife is NOT Gail Berman
Shona
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:09:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Xinlei Du <jiangdu@golden.net>
Subject: BUFFY: ratings
> Prime-time ratings as compiled by Nielsen Media Research for
>April 28-04. Top 20 listings include the week's ranking, with
>rating for the week, season-to-date rankings in parentheses, and
>total homes.
> An ``X'' in parentheses denotes one-time-only presentation. A
>rating measures the percentage of the nation's 97.0 million TV
>homes. Each ratings point represents 970,000 households.
> 1. (X) ``Ellen,'' ABC, 23.4, 22.7 million homes
> 2. (1) ``ER,'' NBC, 22.2, 21.5 million homes
> 3. (2) ``Seinfeld,'' NBC, 20.3, 19.7 million homes
> 4. (14) ``PrimeTime Live,'' ABC, 16.8, 16.3 million homes
> 5. (4) ``Friends,'' NBC, 16.6 , 16.1 million homes
> 6. (4) ``Fired Up,'' NBC, 15.5 , 15.0 million homes
> 7. (3) ``Suddenly Susan,'' NBC, 15.2, 14.7 million homes
> 8. (X) ``ABC Sunday Night Movie: Forrest Gump,'' ABC, 14.5, 14.1
>million homes
> 9. (10) ``Touched by an Angel,'' CBS, 14.0 , 13.6 million homes
> 10. (9) ``Home Improvement,'' ABC, 12.7, 12.3 million homes
> 11. (X) ``World Premiere Movie: Walker, Sons of Thunder,'' CBS,
>12.2, 11.8 million homes
> 12. (13) ``NYPD Blue,'' ABC, 12.1, 11.7 million homes
> 12. (X) ``Stephen King's The Shining'' ABC, 12.1, 11.7 million
>homes
> 14. (X) ``Stephen King's The Shining'' ABC, 11.9, 11.5 million
>homes
> 14. (11) ``60 Minutes,'' CBS, 11.9, 11.5 million homes
> 16. (12) ``20/20,'' ABC, 11.6, 11.3 million homes
> 17. (X) ``Chicago Hope,'' CBS 11.4, 11.1 million homes
> 17. (X) ``Grace Under Fire,'' ABC, 11.4, 11.1 million homes
> 17. (20) ``NBC Sunday Night Movie: Robin Cook's Invasion PT 1,''
>NBC, 11.4, 11.1 million homes
> 17. (23) ``Walker, Texas Ranger,'' CBS, 11.4, 11.1 million homes
> 21. ``Frasier,'' NBC, 11.2
> 22. ``Dateline NBC,'' (Tuesday) NBC, 10.6
> 22. ``X-Files,'' Fox, 10.6
> 24. ``Cybill,'' CBS, 10.5
> 25. (X) ``Drew Carey Show,'' ABC, 10.2
> 26. ``Dateline NBC,'' (Friday) 10.1
> 26. ``Spin City,'' ABC, 10.1
> 28. ``Ink,'' CBS, 9.9
> 28. ``Mad About You,'' NBC, 9.9
> 30. ``CBS Tuesday Movie: Too Close To Home,'' CBS, 9.7
> 30. ``Cosby,'' CBS, 9.7
> 30. ``Law And Order,'' NBC, 9.7
> 30. ``NBC Monday Night Movie: The Sleepwalker Killing,'' NBC,
>9.7
> 34. ``Soul Man,'' ABC, 9.5
> 35. ``FOX Tuesday Movie: The Mask,'' FOX, 9.4
> 36. ``Murphy Brown,'' CBS, 9.3
> 37. ``Diagnosis Murder,'' CBS, 8.9
> 37. ``3rd Rock From the Sun,'' NBC, 8.9
> 37. ``Sabrina, the Teenage Witch,'' ABC, 8.9
> 40. ``Early Edition,'' CBS, 8.7
> 40. (X) ``Home Improvement,'' ABC, 8.7
> 42. ``48 Hours,'' CBS, 8.6
> 43. ``Step by Step,'' ABC, 8.5
> 44. ``Melrose Place,'' Fox, 8.4
> 44. ``Nanny,'' CBS, 8.4
> 44. ``Touched by an Angel,'' CBS, 8.4
> 47. ``Boy Meets World,'' ABC, 8.3
> 48. (X) ``Candid Camera Across Ameria,'' CBS, 8.2
> 48. ``King of the Hill,'' Fox, 8.2
> 50. ``Promised Land,'' 8.0
> 50. ``3rd Rock From the Sun,'' NBC, 8.0
> 52. ``CBS Wednesday Movie: The Absolute Truth,'' CBS, 7.9
> 52. ``Unsolved Mysteries,'' NBC, 7.9
> 54. ``Homicide: Life on the Street,'' NBC, 7.8
> 54. ``Something So Right,'' NBC, 7.8
> 56. ``Beverly Hills, 90210,'' Fox, 7.7
> 56. ``Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman,'' CBS, 7.7
> 56. ``NBC Movie of The Week: Ace Ventura: Pet Detective,'' NBC,
>7.7
> 56. ``Simpsons,'' Fox, 7.7
> 60. ``Family Matters,'' ABC, 7.5
> 61. ``Jeff Foxworthy,'' NBC, 7.3
> 61. ``Nash Bridges,'' CBS, 7.3
> 63. ``Dave's World,'' CBS, 7.2
> 63. (X) ``I Am Your Child,'' ABC, 7.2
> 65. (X) ``Married With Children,'' FOX, 7.0
> 66. (X) ``Boston Common,'' NBC, 6.9
> 66. ``Married With Children,'' FOX, 6.9
> 68. ``Millennium,'' Fox, 6.8
> 69. ``America's Funniest Home Videos 2,'' ABC, 6.6
> 70. (X) ``Ordinary Extraordinary,'' CBS, 6.5
> 71. ``NBC Movie of The Week: Interview With a Vampire,'' NBC,
>6.4
> 72. ``High Incident,'' ABC, 5.8
> 72. ``Martin,'' Fox, 5.8
> 72. (X) ``Pretender,'' NBC, 5.8
> 75. ``Cops 2,'' Fox, 5.7
> 76. ``America's Funniest Home Videos,'' ABC, 5.6
> 76. ``New York Undercover,'' Fox, 5.6
> 76. ``Sliders,'' Fox, 5.6
> 79. ``AMW: America Fights Back,'' FOX, 5.5
> 80. ``Cops,'' Fox, 5.0
> 80. ``Saturday Night At The Movies: Andre,'' ABC, 5.0
> 82. ``Star Trek: Voyager,'' UPN, 4.4
> 83. ``Gun,'' ABC, 4.2
> 84. ``Pacific Palisades,'' Fox, 4.1
> 85. (X) ``World's Great Animal Outakes,'' FOX, 3.9
> 86. ``Malcolm and Eddie,'' UPN, 3.7
> 87. ``In The House,'' UPN, 3.1
> 87. ``Sentinel,'' UPN, 3.1
> 89. ``Sparks,'' UPN, 3.0
> 90. ``Jamie Foxx Show,'' WB, 2.9
> 91. ``Goode Behavior,'' UPN, 2.7
> 91. ``Moesha,'' UPN, 2.7
> 91. ``Smart Guy,'' WB, 2.7
> 91. ``Wayans Brothers,'' WB, 2.7
> 95. ``Steve Harvey Show,'' WB, 2.4
> 96. ``Sister, Sister,'' WB, 2.3
> 96. ``Unhappily Ever After,'' WB, 2.3
> 98. ``Burning Zone,'' UPN, 2.2
> 98. (X) ``Unhappily Ever After,'' WB, 2.2
> 100. ``Parent 'Hood,'' WB, 2.0
> 101. ``Brotherly Love,'' (Sunday) WB, 1.9
> 101. ``7th Heaven,'' WB, 1.9
> 103. ``Home Boys In Outer Space,'' UPN, 1.8
> 103. ``Nick Freno: License to Teach,'' WB, 1.8
> 105. ``Buffy, The Vampire Slayer,'' WB, 1.7
> 106. (X) ``NHL Playoffs Postgame: Anaheim at Detroit,'' FOX, 1.3
> AP-NY-05-06-97 1800EDT
************************************************************
"To read make our English good."
---Xander Harris
"Testosterone is an equalizer, it turns all men into morons."
---Rupert Giles
*************************************************************
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 22:38:15 -0400
From: Piper <chicnoir7@macconnect.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy question:In a fight Buffy vs The Highlander?
> Besides, MacLeod hates to fight women. If, someway, somehow, they did
> get into a fight to the death, he'd be so busy agonizing over having to whack
> her that she'd have him staked and be on her way to the Bronze before he
> knew what was going on.
>
> Now if Methos were around...
>
> Chris
>
Exactly, that's what I said in my post. Duncan wouldn't fight Buffy. So, she
would win. But Methos would be a different story.
Piper
- --
" I'd call a place pure paradise where families are loyal and strangers are
nice, where the music is jazz and the season is fall. Promise me that or nothing
at all." -- MAYA ANGELOU
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 23:43:58 -0400
From: Crimson Dream <vilivo@erols.com>
Subject: BUFFY: Keepers of What?
I don't know if anybody has claimed this yet, but did anybody claimed
Angel's Tatoo? Cause I would love to be the keeper of that. Also does
anybody have a list of waht is claimed?
Naja
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 15:26:59 -0700
From: "Wien Huang" <Huang-wien-lily@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: BUFFY: keeper of...
can i be the keeper of angel's dresser?
Lily
(hopefully the keeper of angel's dresser)
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 7 May 97 01:45:55 UT
From: "Paul, Maria Aspan" <Paul_Aspan@msn.com>
Subject: RE: BUFFY: Angel for next season
I'm wondering if we might not see Angel again this season (okay at least I'm
_hoping_ desperately). The most likely episode for him to make his appearance
seems to be the finale, "Prophecy Girl." Buffy must fight the Master in a
battle to the "death", etc. Angel would fit right in here, popping up to warn
Buffy and help her against the Master. I'd really like to see their first
meeting after the last kiss we saw, especially if he wears an open shirt :).
Besides, it's the season finale & usually the writers like to bring in all of
their best characters to attract a large audience.
Maria
GASP! Keeper of the Briefcase/ASH Appreciation Society Member
"So...this wouldn't have anything to do with say an assignment, cloak and
dagger stuff, the uh...brooding Englishman?"
--Duncan, "VR.5"
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 22:27:28 -0400
From: "Ellen S. Ross" <esross@telenet.net>
Subject: BUFFY: BUFFY's Joss Whedon and Bionic Script?
I found the following information on the "Bionic Page"
at http://www.scifi.com/bionicrod/faq/movie.htm
regarding the movie version of "The Six Million Dollar Man and The Bionic
Woman":
>NEWS AS OF 12/01/96: I've been told Universal has hired a writer named
Joss Whedon to do a new script. His previous work apparently consists of
writing scripts for several successful, big-budget action films. Also, the
studio execs previously working on the film have supposedly been replaced
with new ones. No word on whether Richard Anderson has left the project.
Does anyone here on the Buffy list know anything about this? Is this why
"Buffy Summers" has started to look more and more like Jaime Sommers?
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:32:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Vibe40@aol.com
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel for next season
Well, personally I don't care how they bring him back as long as they do!
Angel
and Buffy have awesome chemistry and in spite of their big obstacle (him
being a vapire and her being the slayer and all) I think they make a great
pair. What's the deal with his soul being unredeemable anyhow?
-Peace and watch Buffy!
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:35:45 -0600
From: Craig Posey <napoleon@dbeach.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"?
At 04:21 PM 5/6/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm not going to count anything from the movie as canon - but since we
>have so few data points to go by, I'll use them in some ways...
>
>Jen
>
While the director and producers have a lot of input into the movie, it is
worth noting that it is hard to discount the movie when the producers of it
are those producing the show - the Kuzui's - and the screenwirter of the
movie is the executive producer of the series.
Craig
napoleon@dbeach.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:42:35 -0600
From: Craig Posey <napoleon@dbeach.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"?
At 11:34 AM 5/6/97 -0700, you wrote:
>At 06:38 AM 5/6/97 -0600, thus sprake Craig Posey:
>
>>I think the best explanation comes from the novel based on the original
>>screen paly. In that text it states that their are several girls with the
>>qualifications world wide to become the next Slayer. When a slayer dies,
>>the Watchers pick the next one based upon how close she lives to the next
>>predicted vampire hotspot. It indicated the Merrick had trained five
>>slayers during his career - a life expectancy of about 5-10 years.
>
>Hmm. There's a couple problems with this. Does "several girls with
>qualifications" mean there are girls all over the world with super-strength
>and enough damage resistance to survive getting thrown around by vampires
>regularly? Wouldn't someone notice these super-strong girls?
>
In the movie, no one noticed that Buffy was super strong - the first
indication of anything unusual was the hotdog scene.
Craig
napoleon@dbeach,com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:44:58 +0000
From: "Augie De Blieck Jr." <augie@nic.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"?
Hi Jen,
I'm trying to remain calm here. . .
> coherent mythos goes a long way toward contributing to the long-term
> survival of any SF/Fantasy series. (I point you at VR5 for a show that
> dramatically failed to have a coherent mythos and really suffered from it.)
WHAT?!? Which show were you watching? In any case, the reason VR.5 failed was
because it was too smart for TV, and the dunderheads at FOX couldn't figure it
out. (Apparantly, neither could many people on the net, who felt the need to
get hung up on the modem thing which, for anyone who cared to watch the show
could tell you, meant nothing anyway.)
Any inconsistancies in the show were due to FOX's tinkering with it.
ObBuffy: The less I think about it, the better the show is.
- -Augie
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
Augie De Blieck Jr. * augie@nic.com * AugieDB@compuserve.com
"People meet on the net, they talk, they get together, have
dinner, a show... horrible ax murder." - Xander
Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Monday nights, WB, 9 p.m.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:00:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Huff <rhuff@cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Willow, Angel Acronyms and Stuff
> > The Moloch Fan Club (btw, "Moloch" was how the subtitled Latin in
> > IRYJ spelled it) decides to use MALLOC as their new club name...
> > "Moloch Always Loves Lackeys On Computers" <VEG>
>
> MALLOC, of course, is the name of an "include file" used in C
> programming. So it's a perfect name for a club of computer
> nerds. :-)
Actually, "malloc" is the _M_emory _Alloc_ation routine
prototyped in the include file. An even cooler multi-context
referrence; I approve.
Robert Huff
(who had to sit down after seeing B5's
"Sic Transit Vir")
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 22:40:44, -0500
From: GSSM83C@prodigy.com (JOSEPH NORTHCOTT)
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Next Week's previews
>So far we have sen 1979 - 18yrs, 1980 - 17 yrs, and 1981 - 16 yrs, I think
>she was born in 81, since we know she is suppose to be 16. Any other
>thoughts on this?
Well assuming Buffy and Cordelia are the same age, and knowing that
Cordelia is in driver's training (albeit for the third time) that does
narrow it down. But the 1980 date isn't way out in space. 1980 could be
o.k. --- if you get into the "what day of the year does the local school
district use for a cutoff date." A question I would rather not see Joss
Whedon bother to answer in a future episode. :)
JN --- pages.prodigy.com/slayer
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:07:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Raymond M. Kowalski" <rmkowals@planetx.bloomu.edu>
Subject: BUFFY: Random babbling(may contain spoilers)
After watching the talent show episode for the third time I have some
comments on it. It was a great episode overall.
1. However, do you think Joss Whedon has an obsession with circles?
There was the power circle, the circle of Kayless(with a K), the circle in
the episode of The Pack, and maybe others I am forgetting now.
2. I think Sunnydale should have a new rule. Girls should have to go in
the locker room in at least groups of three, and they should always turn
the lights on. That school is way too dark.
3. And my friend brought this one up. I know it is nit-picking too much,
but she does have a point. Don't you think that whoever raised the
curtain at the end of the show to reveal the "avant garde" scene would
have noticed everything that was going on?
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:29:12 -0400
From: Laertes@webtv.net
Subject: Re: BUFFY: ratings
Well the good news we did beat a post hockey
game.
But seriously the show was opposite The
Shining. Both shows would pull the same
audience. So it really should not be to
suprising.
The scary number is the 1.7 rating. That does
not bode well. But it has been renewed for
next season.
Does anyone know what the ratings were for
Savanah were they in the same range?
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 20:37:57 -0700
From: Charles Schultz <xcalibur@ucla.edu>
Subject: BUFFY: SPOILER for May 19
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> I'm wondering if we might not see Angel again this season (okay at least I'm
> _hoping_ desperately). The most likely episode for him to make his appearance
According to TV Guide Online, both Angel and Armin Shimerman are back
for this episode (may 19).
For those who want the basic story:
Cordelia is tormented by a violent entity and asks Buffy for help.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 00:53:46 -0400
From: Piper <chicnoir7@macconnect.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Random babbling(may contain spoilers)
Raymond M. Kowalski wrote:
>
> After watching the talent show episode for the third time I have some
> comments on it. It was a great episode overall.
<snip>
> 3. And my friend brought this one up. I know it is nit-picking too much,
> but she does have a point. Don't you think that whoever raised the
> curtain at the end of the show to reveal the "avant garde" scene would
> have noticed everything that was going on?
Oh no, "TOMMY" works the curtains. Sure plays a mean pinball. : )
Piper
- --
" I'd call a place pure paradise where families are loyal and strangers are
nice, where the music is jazz and the season is fall. Promise me that or nothing
at all." -- MAYA ANGELOU
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:10:39 -0600
From: felixcat@ecicnet.org (Felix the Cat)
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Random babbling(may contain spoilers)
At 10:07 PM 5/6/97, Raymond M. Kowalski wrote:
>After watching the talent show episode for the third time I have some
>comments on it. It was a great episode overall.
>
>1. However, do you think Joss Whedon has an obsession with circles?
I think it has more to do with the fact that circles just show up a lot in
incantations ("Pack," "IRYJ") and the "Power Circle" (assumption) is a
showbiz thing. Sid was the one that seemed to know about it; it would seem
he had a great deal of experience in showbiz (pretty sure he hadn't been
racing IndyCars since 1930.) :)
>2. I think Sunnydale should have a new rule. Girls should have to go in
>the locker room in at least groups of three, and they should always turn
>the lights on. That school is way too dark.
yeah, but it wouldn't be nearly as spooky... dramatic license. these people
*are* living in a TV show. :)
>3. And my friend brought this one up. I know it is nit-picking too much,
>but she does have a point. Don't you think that whoever raised the
>curtain at the end of the show to reveal the "avant garde" scene would
>have noticed everything that was going on?
this had crossed my mind as well... then, i remembered #2 above...
- -felix (on no sleep)
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------------------------------
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 15:26:59 -0700
From: "Wien Huang" <Huang-wien-lily@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: BUFFY: keeper of...
can i be the keeper of angel's dresser?
Lily
(hopefully the keeper of angel's dresser)
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 01:26:45 -0700
From: Lawless <lawless@netside.com>
Subject: BUFFY: Buffy on Headline News
I don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but Headline News just
mentioned Buffy and had a little 20 second spot on it. The story was
about young female actresses in tv shows I think. They showed a short
clip of Sarah talking about how the show portrays reality or something
like that. Sorry if someone already mentioned this
- -Lawless
http://www.netside.com/~lawless
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Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 21:29:09 -0700
From: jen@rio.com
Subject: Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"?
At 08:27 PM 5/6/97 -0400, thus sprake Piper:
>Laertes@webtv.net wrote:
>> Anyone in their late 30s would not have the
>> physical agility or abilities as those in their teens. So they probably
>> retire and lead a normal life.
Hmm! Why do I get the impression you're a teenager, Laertes? ;) A
thirty-year old man might be a bit slower than a seventeen-year-old, but
he'd be a lot more solid and strong than the kid would. Men in particular
tend to add muscle bulk in their twenties, not their teens (assuming they
stay fit and don't just quit exercising once they graduate from college.)
Furthermore, while athletes in sports that are very hard on the body
(football, basketball) tend to break down and retire in their thirties,
that's because of physical *abuse*, not use. Athletes in sports that aren't
so punishing generally get *better* as they get older until they reach their
early thirties, then they can stay "peaked" until their forties.
>This works. There are no gaps when there are no Slayers. I can follow this, I
>like it. Agility is a major factor. And we do slow down as we age. No matter
>who we are.
"Youth and skill will always be defeated by old age and treachery." Or to
put it another way, a 35 year old Slayer might be slower than Buffy (though
not necessarily), but she'd still be *much* stronger, faster, and tougher
than a normal person. Furthermore, she'd be far more experienced, wise, and
tricky. Someone's already pointed out that, while Buffy's strength lets her
survive hand-to-hand combat with monsters, she tends to *defeat* them
through using her wits. If Slaying is at least as much a matter of using
your head as it is using your fists, an older slayer would have a serious
advantage there which would offset the slightly lowered physical abilities.
With Moloch, for example, a more experienced Slayer might have started right
off with short-circuiting him instead of wasting valuable time trying to
punch him out.
Also, while an older Slayer might be a bit less able physically, she'd have
many years of practice in her moves and would probably have a vast knowledge
of different fighting styles. Her reflexes would be lightning-fast through
years of repetition. In other words, if you take a seventeen year old Karate
master of the tenth dan and a thirty five year old Karate master of the
tenth dan who achieved that level at age seventeen and have them go at each
other, no-holds-barred, I'd bet on the older guy even if the kid were
marginally faster. The older guy has been practicing for eighteen years,
after all.
>>Could the
>> same hold true for vampire killers many kill
>> but there is only one Vampire Slayer.
Being "the Slayer" confers supernatural powers on the girl with the title. I
suppose it's possible for there to be other "subordinate Slayers" who have
lesser versions of the same powers, but it doesn't seem to fit very well
with what we've seen. I think if Slayer-powers came in more than one flavor,
Buffy would be something like "The Ultimate Slayer" instead of just "The
Slayer," since the adjective implies that there are other slayers who aren't
Ultimate.
- -- Maytree
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
Jennifer Hawthorne
jen@rio.com
jennifer.hawthorne@sierra.com
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
What's the difference between the first and last desk of a viola
section?
Half a measure and a semi-tone.
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Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 01:08:05 -0400
From: Piper <chicnoir7@macconnect.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: SPOILER for May 19
Charles Schultz wrote:
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
> > I'm wondering if we might not see Angel again this season (okay at least I'm
> > _hoping_ desperately). The most likely episode for him to make his appearance
>
> According to TV Guide Online, both Angel and Armin Shimerman are back
> for this episode (may 19).
>
> For those who want the basic story:
>
> Cordelia is tormented by a violent entity and asks Buffy for help.
Oooh, so you mean it's the hair thing again. Poltergeists with teasing combs.
I couldn't resist.
Piper
- --
" I'd call a place pure paradise where families are loyal and strangers are
nice, where the music is jazz and the season is fall. Promise me that or nothing
at all." -- MAYA ANGELOU
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Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 22:20:53 -0700
From: jen@rio.com
Subject: Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"?
At 09:35 PM 5/6/97 -0600, thus sprake Craig Posey:
>At 04:21 PM 5/6/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>>I'm not going to count anything from the movie as canon - but since we
>>have so few data points to go by, I'll use them in some ways...
>While the director and producers have a lot of input into the movie, it is
>worth noting that it is hard to discount the movie when the producers of it
>are those producing the show - the Kuzui's - and the screenwirter of the
>movie is the executive producer of the series.
It's not an issue of two different creative teams (a la Highlander). It's an
issue of two different media. The dramatic demands of a feature film and
the demands of a continuing series are *very* different. Dramatic choices
made that work well in the movie often don't work well in an ongoing series,
which is why it's fairly unusual for a movie to make the transition to TV
series successfully. And when it is done, changes have to be made.
The folks doing the Highlander TV show didn't change things from the movie
just for the heck of it; they made changes that they felt were necessary to
make the series work dramatically. By the same token, Joss has *already*
changed things for the TV show -- Buffy in the movie never fought demons,
only vampires. But fighting vampires week after week would get boring, so
Joss very wisely moved the setting of the movie to a location (the
"Hellmouth") where he could justify bringing in any sort of weird thing that
struck his fancy to keep the stories from getting stale.
No one is "discounting" the movie as "not right" -- or at least I'm not.
However, I *am* saying that I expect the mythos to change and evolve in the
TV series, just because of the demands of the medium, despite the fact that
many of the same people are involved in both the movie and the series.
- -- Maytree
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
Jennifer Hawthorne
jen@rio.com
jennifer.hawthorne@sierra.com
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
What's the difference between the first and last desk of a viola
section?
Half a measure and a semi-tone.
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 01:56:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hendricks Ng <ng@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: "Keeping" stuff
DDA asked:
> How many different pairs of boots has Buffy worn? I haven't paid close attention,
> but I know she has at least black boots and white boots.
>
From what I've seen, Buffy has worn 3 different pairs of boots:
black knee-high boots
burgundy knee-high boots
white knee-high boots
The burgundy boots are in the one BtVS WB promo photo where Buffy
is sitting on a rock in a yellow dress. It could be the lighting in the
photo, but I still think they are burgundy colored. Opinions?
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Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 22:32:35 -0700
From: jen@rio.com
Subject: Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"?
At 11:44 PM 5/6/97 +0000, thus sprake Augie De Blieck Jr.:
>> (I point you at VR5 for a show that
>> dramatically failed to have a coherent mythos and really suffered from it.)
>
>WHAT?!? Which show were you watching?
I watched every episode of VR5 that aired, and I have a friend taping the
"extra" episodes off the Sci-Fi channel to mail to me eventually.
>Any inconsistancies in the show were due to FOX's tinkering with it.
Doesn't matter whose fault it was. What matters is that the show's mythos
wasn't coherent. I stopped watching Highlander partly because of annoyance
with their inability to keep their story consistent. I stopped watching
Quantum Leap in the last year because the writers broke every "rule" they
set up for how the Leap worked. Some folks have a higher tolerance for this
kind of thing, but I don't, and a lot of my friends don't. Lack of
consistency disrupts my ability to suspend my disbelief.
Therefore, I desperately hope that Joss has a coherent mythos worked out for
Buffy and sticks with it. From what I've seen so far things seem on the
right track; I've got my fingers crossed the train won't derail.
A perhaps relevant quote from Orson Scott Card's "Writing Fantasy & Science
Fiction": ""With magic, you must be very clear about the rules. First, you
don't want your readers to think that *anything* can happen. Second, the
more carefully you work out the rules, the more you know about the
limitations on magic, the more possibilities you open up in the story."
>ObBuffy: The less I think about it, the better the show is.
Whatever trips your trigger...I won't watch any show that requires me to
think less in order to enjoy it, but that's just me. YMMV!
- --Maytree
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
Jennifer Hawthorne
jen@rio.com
jennifer.hawthorne@sierra.com
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
What's the difference between the first and last desk of a viola
section?
Half a measure and a semi-tone.
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 02:37:12 -0500
From: xgirl@pointblank.com
Subject: BUFFY: h[D
Hi :) Does anyone know if they are going to repeat the Buffy pilot? That
is one episode that I do not have on tape and really want :)
Krissy
you've got to fight for your right to have a monster - tori
you're words keep me alive - sarah mclachlan
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Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:51:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: RAS <darkone@uniserve.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: h[D
At 02:37 AM 97/05/07 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi :) Does anyone know if they are going to repeat the Buffy pilot? That
>is one episode that I do not have on tape and really want :)
>
>Krissy
I hope so I (dumb me) wasn't into Buffy then and I TOTALLY missed it, so if
anyone hears of a planned repeat let us know. Of course there is always
summer repeats to look forward (backward) to.
Rudy --darkone@uniserve.com--
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Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 20:14:54 -0700
From: "Wien Huang" <Huang-wien-lily@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Next Week's previews
- ----------
> From: Sonja Marie <whtrose@eskimo.com>
> To: buffy@xmission.com
> Subject: Re: BUFFY: Next Week's previews
> Date: Tuesday, May 06, 1997 4:50 PM
>
> On Tue, 6 May 1997, Jill Gillham wrote:
>
> > Okay, we've seen two different dates of birth on Buffy so far:
> > q
> > w
> > e
> > r
> > t
> > y
> > u
> > i
> > o
> > p
> > a
> > s
> > d
> > f
> > g
> > h
> > j
> > Next weeks preview shows a tombstone for Buffy with the year 1981 on
it.
> >
> > Jill Gillham
>
> So far we have sen 1979 - 18yrs, 1980 - 17 yrs, and 1981 - 16 yrs, I
think
> she was born in 81, since we know she is suppose to be 16. Any other
> thoughts on this?
>
it really depends on the month she was born. i was born in 1981 and i'm 15.
so she was either born early in the 1981 year or she was born in 1980.
Lily
Keeper of Angel's Dresser
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Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:58:45 -0700
From: "Scott Palmer" <ScottPalmer@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Willow, Angel Acronyms and Stuff
> > MALLOC, of course, is the name of an "include file" used in C
> > programming. So it's a perfect name for a club of computer
> > nerds. :-)
>
> Actually, "malloc" is the _M_emory _Alloc_ation routine
> prototyped in the include file. An even cooler multi-context
> referrence; I approve.
>
> Robert Huff
Thanks. You're right. Sorry for misleading everyone.
And to think that I got an *A* in that course... :-)
Noah
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 03:51:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hendricks Ng <ng@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: "The Puppet Show" quote list (spoilers)
> [aka Spoiler Space]
>
> This was a great show - creepy yet funny. And if the line is forming to bump
> off Cordelia, I'm at the head of the line, right after Xander. Kill her, kill
> Anyway, on with the quotes!
>
> Maureen, GASPer
> Keeper of the Glasses
>
>
> "The Puppet Show" quote list
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> B=Buffy, G=Giles, X=Xander, W=Willow, A=Angel, D=Darla, M=Master
> C=Cordelia, MC=Miss Calendar, F=Fritz, S=Sid, PS=Principal Snyder
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
Maureen, Thanks again for the list BUT :P
ya missed this one:
X - (Shaking Sid the Dummy's head around) "Redrum! Redrum! Redrum!
Redrum!"
*shiver*
[excellent quote list snipped]
> S-Lets just say there was me, there was a really mean demon, there
> was a curse, and the next thing I know, I'm not me any more. I'm
> sitting on some guy's knee, with his hand up my shirt.
woohoo! I loved this one!
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Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 04:10:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hendricks Ng <ng@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Boots (was "keeping stuff")
> > How many different pairs of boots has Buffy worn? I haven't paid close attention,
> > but I know she has at least black boots and white boots.
> >
>
> >From what I've seen, Buffy has worn 3 different pairs of boots:
>
> black knee-high boots
> burgundy knee-high boots
> white knee-high boots
>
whoops, forgot the "smoking boots" :P (okay so they were the black ones in
disguise)
Hendu
>
> /======================================================================\
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