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From: buffy-owner@xmission.com (buffy Digest)
To: buffy-digest@xmission.com
Subject: buffy Digest V1 #17
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buffy Digest Monday, April 14 1997 Volume 01 : Number 017
In this issue:
Re: BUFFY: Official Name on Willow Affiliation
Re: BUFFY: Problems and various other things...
Myth Re: BUFFY: Vampires: Buffy's evil vampires or the good vampires
Re: BUFFY: Tonight's Ep - And the Perfect Weapon
Re: BUFFY: buffy/highlander correlation..
Re: BUFFY: Official Name on Willow Affiliation
Re: BUFFY: buffy/highlander correlation..
BUFFY: Re: STEPHEN KING
BUFFY: Generations
BUFFY: Clothing in Dodge Ball
Re: BUFFY: Previous Vampire Slayers
Re: BUFFY: buffy/highlander correlation..
Re: BUFFY: Official Name on Willow Affiliation
BUFFY: Origins of the Slayer & Watcher
Re: BUFFY: Official Name on Willow Affiliation
BUFFY: XANDER and WILLOW
Re: BUFFY: buffy/highlander correlation..
BUFFY: OFF: Dual appeal-- BtVS character info and tapes
Re: BUFFY: Origins of the Slayer & Watcher
Re: BUFFY: buffy/highlander correlation..
Re: BUFFY: buffy/highlander correlation..
Re: BUFFY: Vampires: Buffy's evil vampires or the good vampires
BUFFY: Rosie Today
BUFFY: tonight's episode
Re: BUFFY: buffy/highlander correlation..
BUFFY: Willow name suggestions
BUFFY: Alter-Willow
Re: BUFFY: assorted
BUFFY: Vampire Types
Re: BUFFY: buffy/highlander correlation..
Re: BUFFY: buffy/highlander correlation..
Re: BUFFY: XANDER and WILLOW
Re: BUFFY: Alter-Willow
See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy
or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues.
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Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:34:59 -0400
From: Sharon Himmanen <romana@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Official Name on Willow Affiliation
At 11:10 PM 4/13/97 -0400, David wrote:
>Just so long we can still call Sharon "ListMommy".
Trust me, I am even less of a "listmommy"-type than Jill is. :-)
ObBUFFY: I'd asked this once before I think. The opening credits talk
about one slayer per generation, and it uses the term "girl." I have a
feeling Slayers are not long-lived.
However, they implied the same thing about the watcher in the movie, and
now Giles has shown up, so who knows? We may run into a former Slayer at
some point in the series.
Sharon
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was involved." --Vivian, Sabu, Eastway (a.k.a. Easter), Emily, and Nigel
(a.k.a. Kitty Nunkies) Rutledge as pantomimed to Bonnie Rutledge
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:39:58 -0500
From: "Nathan L. Honeycutt III" <nathanh@multipro.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Problems and various other things...
>Actually, I think you're both right..If I'm not mistaken, Hyenas are
>hunter/scavengers, in a sense. If they failed to make a kill (probably
>unlikely, except perhaps in the case of a food shortage) they would be just
>as happy to scavenge for food.
If I'm not terribly mistaken, they're also easily frightened, especially in
limited numbers.
- ---Nathan L. Honeycutt III
nathanh@multipro.com
http://www.photo.tntech.edu/~nate
THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE
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the StarTrek Collectable Dice Game, please get in touch with me.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:43:00 -0400
From: Falstaff@webtv.net (Daniel Tropea)
Subject: Myth Re: BUFFY: Vampires: Buffy's evil vampires or the good vampires
Actually I believe that the belief in vampires is a a rather rare
universal belief. This belief if i am not mistaken has been found from
Europe to
Japan and the early americas. Most mythology are localized to one part
of the world vampires
I could be wrong is very widespread and very
ancient myth.
In modern literature the really great first vampire novel was a german
tale "Varney,
The Vampire". I do not know who wrote it.
Then Stoker immortalized the modern vampire
in his novel "Dracula". Anne Rice well more then anyone explored them
and portrayed
them as tragic, misunderstood creatures.
The master reminds me an awful lot of the head vampire in Stephen King's
Salem's Lot. I wonder if King watches the show.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:39:59 -0500
From: "Nathan L. Honeycutt III" <nathanh@multipro.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Tonight's Ep - And the Perfect Weapon
>If the vampires bleed on the stakes when they die, the tip would get nasty
>after a while...but, if it appears, they only turn to dust, she would have
>the perfect weapon. Now, where in blazes is she going to get it custom
>made??
In the first episode, didn't the stake disappear with the vampire?
- ---Nathan L. Honeycutt III
nathanh@multipro.com
http://www.photo.tntech.edu/~nate
THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE
- -----------------------------------------
If anyone would like to play a game of the X-Files Card game or
the StarTrek Collectable Dice Game, please get in touch with me.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:43:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: harper <harper@tribeca.ios.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: buffy/highlander correlation..
On Sun, 13 Apr 1997, andrew stellman wrote:
> there's a great example of someone whose butt Buffy could kick. if Buffy
> got in a fight with Duncan McCloud (either from the series or the movie),
> she would kick his butt back to Scotland. i mean, all he can do is use a
> sword. she has super vampire-ass-kicking powers. no match whatsoever, not
> even close.
>
> andrew
As others have pointed out, Duncan has 400 years of martial arts training,
with weapons and without. And although Buffy is very talented, she would
have one major disadvantage in fighting Duncan: she's mortal and he isn't.
She can kick his anatomy all day long, even skewer him with a stake, and
he will recover and keep on fighting. It's very discouraging to fight
someone who won't stay dead.
On the other hand, Buffy would have one major advantage: she's young and
female. Duncan McLeod has a mental blind spot about killing women, even
ones who have tried to kill him.
Harper *** Robin Carroll-Mann
harper@tribeca.ios.com
"Mostly Harmless" -- Douglas Adams
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:46:51 -0400
From: Falstaff@webtv.net (Daniel Tropea)
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Official Name on Willow Affiliation
I will take Wow! Watchers of Willow as my
choice. The ! is my own. Now i am a Xenite,
X-Filer, Trekker and now a Wow!, wow!
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:53:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: aduty@norfolk.infi.net (Andrew Duty)
Subject: Re: BUFFY: buffy/highlander correlation..
>there's a great example of someone whose butt Buffy could kick. if Buffy
>got in a fight with Duncan McCloud (either from the series or the movie),
>she would kick his butt back to Scotland. i mean, all he can do is use a
>sword. she has super vampire-ass-kicking powers. no match whatsoever, not
>even close.
>
>andrew
Well considering that Buffy decapitated a vampire with a cymbal you
may just be right. <g>
Another Andrew
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:57:08 -0500
From: hyphema@webtv.net
Subject: BUFFY: Re: STEPHEN KING
i doubt stephen king watches "buffy." he wouldn't have time with all
that writing he does. he's probably written three specs, a mammoth
novel, and sixteen screenplays while i've only typed this.
hyphema@webtv.net
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 00:04:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Susan Cho Yuk <syuk@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Subject: BUFFY: Generations
On Sun, 13 Apr 1997, Sharon Himmanen wrote:
> ObBUFFY: I'd asked this once before I think. The opening credits talk
> about one slayer per generation, and it uses the term "girl." I have a
> feeling Slayers are not long-lived.
Well, the movie did mention PMS as a alarm system. Maybe as menopause
[THE CHANGE as my mom puts it] approaches, the "gift" is passed on. Sorry
to gross out the faint-hearted. My ex-boyfriend always got ill at the
mention of "unmentionables."
Susan
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 00:04:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jimmy Wan <vecna@engin.umich.edu>
Subject: BUFFY: Clothing in Dodge Ball
I know this is a bit late, but when I re-watched "The Pack", I did
notice that one of the hyena boys was wearing a tank-top, too. Sort of
different.
Jimmy Wan University of Michigan-Computer Engineering
Turtle Beach Maui Page http://www-personal.umich.edu/~vecna/maui.html
Device Drivers Page http://www-personal.umich.edu/~vecna/drivers.html
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 00:02:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jimmy Wan <vecna@engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Previous Vampire Slayers
On Sun, 13 Apr 1997, Jill Kirby wrote:
[cut]
> Now, if there <could> be more than one Slayer, what would happen if a
> Slayer absolutely refused her duties? Would another one be born, or
> identified?
I liked the other comments about this, but in direct answer to this one,
I don't think the slayer can really refuse his/her duties. It's kill
or be killed.
Jimmy Wan University of Michigan-Computer Engineering
Turtle Beach Maui Page http://www-personal.umich.edu/~vecna/maui.html
Device Drivers Page http://www-personal.umich.edu/~vecna/drivers.html
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:55:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "David H. Yu" <gt9043a@prism.gatech.edu>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: buffy/highlander correlation..
David Ko wrote:
> forgive me if this has been brought up before, but has anyone noticed
> that there are watchers in Highlander as well? hmmmm.. always wanted to
> see an immortal duke it out with a vampire..
It sort of happened.... Watch the second season episode titled "The
Vampire" (gee, that's an original name) If you're too lazy to watch it
or don't mind getting it spoiled, e-mail me PRIVATELY.
To bring things back on topic (you guys are terrible <g>): anyone like
ListMom Jill's suggestion of FOW or WOW for names for the Willow Watchers?
-- checking my TV library (about 30 ft underground),
Oom
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:36:00 -0700
From: Greg Gibson <youngadult@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Official Name on Willow Affiliation
I'd consider focusing in on the second syllable of her name:
Maybe the 'Low Riders. (or 'Low Writers)
The name doesn't really matter that much; the existence of a decent
affiliation does.
Liplocks,
Greg Gibson
The Young Adults: Pop Band, Good Kissers
http://home.earthlink.net/~youngadult
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 00:43:44 -0400
From: Hendu <hendu@psu.edu>
Subject: BUFFY: Origins of the Slayer & Watcher
Some Observations:
I'm not sure if this has been addressed before, so I'm sorry for wasting
bandwidth (at least I'm contributing to something other than that
WAIF/WOW debate!)
1) In one of the links offered in Elaine's post (dammit, i saw it
somewhere not sure tho), Merrick was mentioned as being 200 years old?!
I vaguely remember something about this from the movie but I'm not
sure. If so, then Jill's
<< Which means once one Slayer is dead, the next one comes
along right away (soul transference) >>
could imply that the dead Slayer's soul floats around, hunting for a
blonde Valley-girl-type still in high school. Which will explain why
Merrick has to live 200 years to search the world for the new Slayer.
And since Merrick is 200 years old, it is feasible Giles is his son,
(they don't say anything about no kids ala Highlander). Giles *did*
mention his papa was a Watcher also (See "NKABOTFD"), so that Giles
taking over Merrick's role in guiding Buffy is plausible. This would
explain his relative inexperience at this (dad handled all the dirty
work for 200 years).
2) In the intro/commercials to the pilot, there are images of the
past slayers (blacksmith for one) who don't seem to be the blonde,
bouncy type, but it could be just the photo material.
Found this on a totally unrelated page about a woman named "Buffy":
"It is not easy to become beautiful. It requires hard work, patience,
and attention to detail. It also takes a certain firmness of purpose.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and it may be necessary from time
to time to give a stupid or misinformed beholder a black eye."
- -Miss Piggy
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------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:27:07 -0300
From: "Anthony K.W. Yuen" <yuen@ug.cs.dal.ca>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Official Name on Willow Affiliation
I have one more to add:
WHISP - Willow's Humble Internet Support grouP
Of course, members of WHISP are WHISPer's and they, you guessed it,
have to "whisper".
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Hendu wrote:
> WAATM: Willow Affiliations At The Moment:
>
> Wiffow (canned) Willies (canned)
> WAIFs (canned) Dryad (freeze-dried)
> WAM - Willow Admiring Masses (on the produce stand)
> Brownie (on the produce stand)
> WOW - Watchers Of Willow (on the produce stand)
> WOW! - Willow Observing Watchers! (my interpretation, FreshOfftheBoat)
> FOW - Friends of Willow (on the produce stand)
> AWACSer - Alyson & Willow Adoration Club Salivater (FOB)
>
> David Yu sez:
> > "WOW-IEs": Watchers of Willow, Intellectual Enchantress.< (FOB)
> Yes! I *like* this one *highfive David*
>
> Afflictions: (not Affiliation!)
> WHAM - Willow's Heuristic Abilities Melt-me
>
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 01:27:52 -0500
From: hyphema@webtv.net
Subject: BUFFY: XANDER and WILLOW
it's time the question was asked:
we all basically agree that GILES and BUFFY were predestined to be
watcher and slayer...
but what about XANDER and WILLOW?
are we to believe that it was their fate to forever be slayer
flunkies...
or could they just say, "we've taken a stab at it, buff, but this whole
stake through the heart biz just plain makes us a fright woozy. see ya,
wouldn't wanna be ya"?
hyphema@webtv.net
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:16:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: Bast <bast@sinnfree.sinnfree.org>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: buffy/highlander correlation..
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997 Watchers@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> she'd probably be overwhelmed by his dark and handsom good looks as
> every other woman is who enters his life. And by that right she could
> never really win, at least in a fight.
I don't know...there are women who *haven't* been overwhelmed by Dunkie's
good looks. Felicia Martins. Ceirdwyn (she overwhelmed him). Gina
DiValincourt. I don't think Buffy would necessarily fall all over herself
in a hormonal tizzy were Dunkie to show up. I think that a Slayer would
have a pretty good chance of holding her own in a fight with the younger
MacCleod.
- --Bast
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"Thou shalt not commit acts of Jerry Lewis!" --Tippi
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:11:33 GMT+0100
From: "Ilyuschka Toth" <EMC@titan.bke.hu>
Subject: BUFFY: OFF: Dual appeal-- BtVS character info and tapes
BtVSers [or should I say "Buffsters"?]:
This has nothing to do with the episodes directly; it's more of
an extracurricular thing.
First of all, I'd kind of like to get a *lot* of character info
all in one little place. If anyone has an interpretation of
their favourite character, feel free to send it on.
Second, I'm currently living in Hungary, and will be until the
end of May [And, yes, I have been to Transylvania; and yes, it
is both beautiful and spooky.]. If some kind soul would be
willing to tape eps for me, please mail me, and we'll
negotiate.
Both sets of questions should be answered by private e-mail to
emc@titan.bke.hu; and, if there's enough character info, I'll
collate it all and post it to the list!
Thanks,
Elaine
emc@titan.bke.hu http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/7779
Questor/Sampsonite/GASPer/Cousin/Phan
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 08:52:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: aduty@norfolk.infi.net (Andrew Duty)
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Origins of the Slayer & Watcher
>1) In one of the links offered in Elaine's post (dammit, i saw it
>somewhere not sure tho), Merrick was mentioned as being 200 years old?!
>I vaguely remember something about this from the movie but I'm not
>sure. If so, then Jill's
> << Which means once one Slayer is dead, the next one comes
> along right away (soul transference) >>
>could imply that the dead Slayer's soul floats around, hunting for a
>blonde Valley-girl-type still in high school. Which will explain why
>Merrick has to live 200 years to search the world for the new Slayer.
>And since Merrick is 200 years old, it is feasible Giles is his son,
>(they don't say anything about no kids ala Highlander). Giles *did*
>mention his papa was a Watcher also (See "NKABOTFD"), so that Giles
>taking over Merrick's role in guiding Buffy is plausible. This would
>explain his relative inexperience at this (dad handled all the dirty
>work for 200 years).
>
>2) In the intro/commercials to the pilot, there are images of the
>past slayers (blacksmith for one) who don't seem to be the blonde,
>bouncy type, but it could be just the photo material.
Well I went ahead and broke down and rented the actual movie the
other day. I dont know how much of the movie is backstory for the series (a
good question for the Joss chat next tuesday) but if the events of the movie
are the same it answers and raises a few questions.
In the movie Merrik kept being reincarnated over and over again
retaining his memory of each life. Now the odd thing in the movie is the
past slayer shown was also played by Kristy Swanson so it appeared that the
Slayer also gets reincarnated but has no memory of it. However, while
Merrick had a long memory of living life after life he treated Buffy like
she was a distinct seperate entity instead of a long time friend he has
spent thousands of years with.
Now in the show, the past slayers look nothing like SMG so this
might not be the case at all. The pilot left it open to whether the movie
happened or not. Buffy had obviously met a watcher before since she asked
Giles why those people wouldnt leaver her alone. Now Merrick seemed to be a
smart man. It wouldnt be hard to imagine that he set up his own little
network of Watcher backups in case he was killed or newly reborn (they might
even search him out like he does slayers). There must be more than one
Watcher since Buffy refered to them as you guys and Giles told Buffy he was
told she was coming to Sunnydale (which implies at least a small orginization).
Im sure this will all be addressed sooner or later. There are
probably many good stories that will happen dealing with Giles history. I
dont think there is anything supernatural about him I just think he's a
stand in that got the lead role after the stars (Merrik's) death. Which is
good since he cant rely on thousands of years of experience.
Just my thoughts, Andrew
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 02:21:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: andrew stellman <roo@anon.razorwire.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: buffy/highlander correlation..
On Sun, 13 Apr 1997, Sharon Jacobs wrote:
> Okay, I as a longtime highlander fan I feel I must come to the defense
> of the Clan Mcloud. Even though Buffy has amazing vampire slaying
> abilities, Duncan Mcloud has four hundred years experience defending
> himself from every kind of weirdo with a sword all out for his head.
okay, so he can swordfight. buffy has super butt-kicking powers, and
that's the bottom line. duncan mcloud is just a regular guy who can use a
sword. other than that, he's a big wussy. i mean, even depeche mode would
be able to kick his butt. buffy would smear him all over scotland and
back. she would make duncan mcloud stew out of his hiney. she's a lean,
mean, highlander-butt-kicking machine. would duncan mcloud have been able
to conquer the Evil Virgin-Eating Cockroach of Death? i don't think so. do
you think for a second that duncan mcloud would have lasted two seconds
against Luke the Evil Nasty Vampire Guy from the first episode? not on
your life. yet buffy took care of him without even smearing her makeup.
she'd dispatch duncan mcloud so fast, the producers wouldn't be able to
expose enough film to fill five minutes worth of USA-quality
low-production footage. end of story, enough said.
andrew
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 02:28:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: andrew stellman <roo@anon.razorwire.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: buffy/highlander correlation..
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997 Watchers@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> Sorry Andrew, I just gotta disagree. Obviously you havent watched
> enough of Highlander to know that Duncan, aside from being a master
> swordsman was also trained in the aspects of martial arts. If she
> actually did disarm him, which would be problem #1 for her, she would
> have to contend with his mastery over the martial arts. For 420 years,
> he's perfected his skill in hand to hand combat and Buffy, as much as I
> love her character, has been practicing for what...two years?
excuse me, but buffy has *super* *powers*, while duncan mcloud is just
some guy, and all he can do is fight other guys. buffy fights *vampires*,
which would eat those dumb immortals for breakfast (literally). like i
already said, Buffy has faced worse enemies in five excellently-produced
WB episodes than Duncan Mcloud has seen in three years of low quality USA
syndication.
> So, could Buffy stand up to the likes of Duncan Macleod...little less
> than maybe, but one thing is guaranteed..she'd probably be overwhelmed
> by his dark and handsom good looks as every other woman is who enters
> his life.
oh, as if.
Angel is *so* much hotter than Duncan, and besides, Duncan is *old*, and
Buffy totally doesn't go for that. is she hot for Giles? not on your life.
she's hot for Angel, who is at least her age. but even Xander is better
looking than Duncan. he's got kind of a funny face.
so i think you're wrong -- he would be completely overwhelmed by Buffy's
stunning, sterling beauty. she would probably get that Lolita thing going,
and when he's lulled into a state of blubbering and drooling hormonal
bliss, doing her tonails or something, she'd neatly dispatch him, one two
three finito.
andrew
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 04:57:23 -0400
From: nothoney@olg.com (Sheryl Bottner)
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Vampires: Buffy's evil vampires or the good vampires
At 11:13 PM 4/13/97 -0400, Sharon Himmanen wrote:
>As far as Buffyverse vampires, they established in the pilot that they are
>a form of demon, or a combination of sorts. Which is a very Rician
>concept--I'm thinking of that dreadful book Queen of the Damned. Only, of
>course, Anne Rice probably didn't invent it but "borrowed" it as she did
>much of her vampire lore. She didn't really reinvent the vampire mythos
>either--movies had been doing that for quite some time, presenting vampires
>as charasmatic, seductive and erotic despite their inherent evil.
Rice borrowed heavily from Bram Stoker, who made popular the notion of
vampires as seductive creatures, as well as from John Polidori; the true
life of Mircalla, Countess Karnstein, and others. You're right, her
vampires aren't original, but she did refine their seductive natures, and
curse them with a heavy dose of angst.
>
>I find Buffy refreshing
>because the vampires *aren't* good. They are a corruption--look at the
>transformation Jesse underwent in the first episode. He went from a nice
>schmuck to Mr. Mysogeny. I *like* this presentation of vampires for a
>change. It's sort of getting back to the roots of the mythology--evil,
>undead things that preyed on the living.
Sure, it's fun to dabble in the nobler nature of vampires <g>, but it's
great to see them as pure evil. Vampire lore has expanded to include the
entire range of human and animal attributes, which makes for a nice variety
of evil.
Sheryl
NotHoney@olg.com
--"Testosterone is a great equalizer. It turns all men into morons." --
Giles, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"
- --"Shoot me, stuff me, mount me." -- Xander, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer."
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:57:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: kampman@ix.netcom.com (Patrick A. Kampman)
Subject: BUFFY: Rosie Today
I don't know if the shows are different by location, but for what it's
worth my local newspapers' (San Jose Mercury News) television listing
for the Rosie show today at 3:00pm (and 4:00pm on another station)
reads
3:00pm Rosie O'Donnell, Ch.7: "Richard Simmons; Mint Condition; Sarah
Michelle Gellar ("Buffy the Vampire Slayer")"
So it LOOKS like there will be a Buffy trilogy (Rosie, indide edition,
and of course BTVS)
- -patrick
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:59:25 -0500
From: sharonruth@webtv.net (Sharon Jacobs)
Subject: BUFFY: tonight's episode
only eleven more hours till Buffy!!
how will I ever survive that long?
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:40:12 -0600
From: Jill Gillham <jilkey@grfn.org>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: buffy/highlander correlation..
First of all, whose world are we operating in? Whoever has their name in
the credits, wins. (The shows are, after all, called Highlander and Buffy)
If they are meeting on neutral ground:
1. Duncan would be utterly confused why Buffy wouldn't sleep with him. She
may be a little young, but girls used to be married at 14 or something back
in Scotland, after all.
2. Buffy might be a little suspicious at first. After all, Duncan is an
immortal mass murderer. However, she decided he's okay when he pulls his
katana out of his jogging shorts and decapitates a vampire that is bugging
Willow. They end up trading martial arts moves.
3. Both storm off their respective watchers demanding to know why they
haven't been told of the others' existance. The Watchers mutter something
about not having the name trademarked before they knew about the other guys.
4. As a sign of good will, Duncan gets Buffy a prom date, who turns out to
be Richie. (I smell a fanfic here. Maybe when I'm a little more comfortable
with the characters.)
Would you believe I'm actually glad when WGN bounces around Buffy becAse if
it airs at 9, it's opposite B5 here?
The other Jill
Jill Gillham
jilkey@grfn.org http://www.grfn.org/~jilkey
"You are awfully impatient for someone who's supposed to be immortal."
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:48:00 -0500
From: "Scott Pilat" <PILAS1@kitch.com>
Subject: BUFFY: Willow name suggestions
I posted my corny suggestions some time ago, but received no response
to them (I am not surprised - wait until you read them). Since I am sure
this was a grave oversight (yeah right), I am resending them. I know
they are not acronyms, but hey, 1 person, 1 vote.
Tree Huggers
The Wisps (after will-o'-the wisp)
The Weepers
Scott Pilat
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 14:24:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gail Celio <gcelio@arches.uga.edu>
Subject: BUFFY: Alter-Willow
(coming out of lurk mode)
Okay, we've seen Xander possessed by a hyena, hanging out with bullies,
and reduced to base animal instinct (well-portrayed and properly "ooogie",
to quote LJC). As we wait for "Angel", what are some possible plot
devices for which we would see a different side of Willow? Possession by
an animal, vampire, or succubus (the last of which would be VERY
interesting...)? Put under a spell or curse?
Just passing the time, and hoping the local WB affiliate will show BVS at
its normal time,
- --Gail
ObBVSQ: "It was like the Heimlich--with stripes!" - Willow
- --
Gail Celio * Plant Pathology * Univ. of Georgia * gcelio@arches.uga.edu
"It was the year everything changed." -- Susan Ivanova, "Babylon 5"
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 14:04:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Betsy Vera <bentley@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: assorted
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Jill Gillham wrote:
> 1. Duncan would be utterly confused why Buffy wouldn't sleep with him. She
> may be a little young, but girls used to be married at 14 or something back
> in Scotland, after all.
Wasn't there an episode where a teenaged girl "died" and she was all over
McLeod, and he kept putting her off. I think McLeod has changed enough
that he wouldn't sleep with a teenager these days.
Reminder about tonight's show: Canadians don't get the episode until
Friday. Even though the list rules say we don't need spoiler space after
the Monday night showing, it'd be nice to put it in, anyway, for the
Canadians. IMHO, that is.
Betsy - bentley@umich.edu
Fanfic Resources: www-personal.umich.edu/~bentley/
Natpack/CohenHead/DDEB2/PotCoS/GASPer/BHarbour Genealogist
"The dead have a lot to say. You've just got to speak their
language: Stiffbonics." -- Simms, "Leaving L.A."
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 01:58:41, -0500
From: VQRW76A@prodigy.com (MS CHRISTINA L KAMNIKAR)
Subject: BUFFY: Vampire Types
>>>De-lurking to muse in non-concentric circles:
I'm glad someone two digests back brought up the question of Good
vs. Evil vampires. I have to admit that I'm happy the show is going with
the straight "bad monster" interpretation, at least here at the
beginning---we'll see how much they want to mess with this after tomorrow
night's episode, of course. I was actually hoping, a couple years ago, to
see Francis Ford Coppola go back to the 'original' Dracula as Bad Guy idea,
and was disappointed when they went with the tormented romantic hero take.
I *like* my good vs. evil battles to be simplistic, sometimes.
I'm really sick of tormented evil dudes.
On the other hand, I wouldn't have an objection to the concept that
someone else mentioned, of a dhampire, or half-vampire, appearing on the
show. Sort of like Jason Patric's character in "Lost Boys", someone who
isn't evil yet, but could become so if they're not careful. This might be
fun to play with later on, after a bit more background on the Master is
filled in.
v^"^v Speaking of whom; that voice is *darn* distinctive, and yet I can't
remember where I've heard it before. Anyone care to enlighten me?
Other thoughts...
Most of the vampires we've seen so far have been minions of the Master.
Which is fine, but I also hope that we'll see evil vampires with less
straightforward agendas at a later date, too. Ones who aren't confined to
underground crypts, worshipping Ya Shaggoth or whatever Lovecraftian
beastie the Master wants to bring into our world. If they're passing for
human, but are still bad guys, Buffy & Co. might have a more difficult time
taking them out and getting away with it. So far, she's been zapping people
right and left, they dissolve into dust, everyone who's seen her do it has
rationalized the occurence away.
Granted, if they *all* started remembering, this wouldn't be a good
thing, but I hope they explore the difficulties of dealing with the
authorities in some future episode. "Mr. Nightshade? Ummmm... he went out
the window. We're six floors up? Well, gosh, I guess he must have been
packing a parachute. No, I have no idea why there's so much dust in here..."
Also hoping they maybe, just once, have a "flashback"
episode---showing scenes from the lives of one of the former Slayers. If
they don't overdo it, and the show only explores these ideas once in a
while, it could be really interesting.
Which kind of brings up another thought: How do the Watchers find
the Slayers? I know the movie Buffy had a birthmark (that she got removed)
but I can't remember how he knew she was going to be a Slayer in the first
place. Why don't vampires pick up on this in the same way? And do new
Slayers come forward when the old Slayers die... or when they get too old
to do the job? I can see a 40-year-old Slayer, but a 65-year-old Slayer
just takes too much suspension of disbelief. I mean, it's *possible*, but...
Or aren't the Slayers lucky enough to live that long? How *do* most Slayers
die, anyway?
Brrrrr... never mind, don't wanna go there, not a happy place.
Ummmm.... final notes:
* Giles *really* needs a life outside of Slaying and being a
librarian. Willow and Xander have school, family, their friendship, and
their respective friendships with Buffy; but someone has to give this
Watcher something else, a pet, a plant, I don't know, something.... He's
sweet, he deserves a hobby. Or a girlfriend. Something.
* Genuinely like Alison Hannigan's portrayal of Willow, it's really
grown on me (ignore the pun). Her kind of "oh, don't look at me, I'm
totally harmless" voice and manner is a nice contrast to the rather pointed
remarks she's capable of making when you're not expecting them.
* I'm equally fond of Xander, who cracks me up, and seems to have
watched every single movie and TV show that I've watched.
* SMG is doing a great job as Buffy. Despite her wardrobe, on some occasions.
I'm withholding judgment on Angel 'til after tomorrow. So far, he broods
well, he stands around fine, he smolders nicely; now let's see if he can act.
Awright. It's late, I've ended up almost back at where I started. I'm
looking forward to the comments on tomorrow night's ep....
Christina
vqrw76a@prodigy.com
Chaos: more than just a theory
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 13:34:12 -0600
From: Jill Gillham <jilkey@grfn.org>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: buffy/highlander correlation..
>excuse me, but buffy has *super* *powers*, while duncan mcloud is just
>some guy, and all he can do is fight other guys. buffy fights *vampires*,
>which would eat those dumb immortals for breakfast (literally). like i
>already said, Buffy has faced worse enemies in five excellently-produced
>WB episodes than Duncan Mcloud has seen in three years of low quality USA
>syndication.
>
Actually, it's five seasons of HL so far (with another 13 eps so far
guaranteed for season 6) and USA has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE
PRODUCTION OR CONTENT OF THE SHOW. Sorry about the shouting but it had to
be done. If you want to see how USA can mess up a show, see the last season
of Forever Knight. USA just shows the episodes in strip syndication.
As far as production values goes, HL has a reputation for producing a
quality show (it's gotten the Viewers for Quality Television endorsement)
on a small budget . (I've heard in the $800,000 per episode range, cheap
for an hour long action-drama) Look at the flashbacks, and with a few minor
blunders (Acrilyic nails in the Bronze Age?) they'll be very historically
accurate. Good villains? How about Callas or Kronos, either of whom would
be a worthy monster adversAry for Buffy without any additional superpowers.
>Angel is *so* much hotter than Duncan, and besides, Duncan is *old*, and
>Buffy totally doesn't go for that. is she hot for Giles? not on your life.
>she's hot for Angel, who is at least her age. but even Xander is better
>looking than Duncan. he's got kind of a funny face.
>
To each their own tastes :) I still think Richie would make an interesting
date for her.
>so i think you're wrong -- he would be completely overwhelmed by Buffy's
>stunning, sterling beauty. she would probably get that Lolita thing going,
>and when he's lulled into a state of blubbering and drooling hormonal
>bliss, doing her tonails or something, she'd neatly dispatch him, one two
>three finito.
Nah. He'd be too busy trying to protect her from the bad guys at first,
thinking he knew best. (Duncan can be a real arrogant SOB, IMHO) Speaking
of which, I've got this image of the two of them chased by the vamps:
"Get away from here, girl, these vampires could kill you."
"MacLeod, I know what I'm doing. Move it out of here so I can take care of
them."
"Girl, I want to kill 'em."
"No, it's my job!"
"But I've got the better sword, and all you've got is the stake."
"But I'm the Slayer!"
"But I can take out two of them in one swing."
"But I can take out three of them in one karate kick."
Jill Gillham
jilkey@grfn.org http://www.grfn.org/~jilkey
"You are awfully impatient for someone who's supposed to be immortal."
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 13:39:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: Bast <bast@sinnfree.sinnfree.org>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: buffy/highlander correlation..
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, andrew stellman wrote:
<snip: Dunkie vs. Buffy>
Well, I suppose that part of it is that they're both the good guys and the
stars of their shows. I mean, heck, the shows are named after them. Tptb
simply couldn't let either one lose, simply because then the main
characters wouldn't look all that great in the eyes of the viewers. Of
course, if they wanted to, they could band together and take on Dr.
Dread/Malevelo with the aid of the Fluffy Bunnies.
- --Bast
*NatPack *CoS *Dryad *Duchovnik *Broom Brigade *CF *Siamese Twin
<bast@sinnfree.org> http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~cooling
"Thou shalt not commit acts of Jerry Lewis!" --Tippi
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 13:29:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: Bast <bast@sinnfree.sinnfree.org>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: XANDER and WILLOW
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997 hyphema@webtv.net wrote:
> are we to believe that it was their fate to forever be slayer
> flunkies...
Me? I'd just say it's their fate to be faithful friends. Friends stick
with each other, after all.
> or could they just say, "we've taken a stab at it, buff, but this whole
> stake through the heart biz just plain makes us a fright woozy. see ya,
> wouldn't wanna be ya"?
Oh, I don't know, I doubt they'd ever do that. They *could*, I suppose,
but it'd be so utterly and totally out of character that'd we'd know that
the writer of that ep has decided to do a crossover with Attack of the
Body Snatchers (or whatever it's called).
Well, that or there'd have to be major events precipitating it, and lots
of character development in a way that we're not seeing inthe current eps.
- --Bast
*NatPack *CoS *Dryad *Duchovnik *Broom Brigade *CF *Siamese Twin
<bast@sinnfree.org> http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~cooling
"Thou shalt not commit acts of Jerry Lewis!" --Tippi
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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 19:45:15 GMT
From: Flagg@wwa.com (Randall Flagg)
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Alter-Willow
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997 14:24:39 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:
>(coming out of lurk mode)
>
>Okay, we've seen Xander possessed by a hyena, hanging out with bullies,=20
>and reduced to base animal instinct (well-portrayed and properly =
"ooogie",
>to quote LJC). As we wait for "Angel", what are some possible plot
>devices for which we would see a different side of Willow? Possession =
by
>an animal, vampire, or succubus (the last of which would be VERY
>interesting...)? Put under a spell or curse?
>
>Just passing the time, and hoping the local WB affiliate will show BVS =
at
>its normal time,
>--Gail
I don't remember WHERE exactly I read this, it may have been in one of
the chat transcripts, but there was mention somewhere that in a later
episode, there's some kind of personality change or possession and
Willow ends up dressing in leather.
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