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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 03:36:44 -0200
From: "Ana Hatsu" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: [SUD] Nome do Salvador

Caro irm=E3o Cesar

A cita=E7=E3o se encontra na P=C1GINA 17 NO subt=EDtulo "CRISTO, NOSSO IR=
M=C3O MAIS
VELHO". A qual transcrevo logo abaixo para que aqueles que n=E3o possuem =
a
obra possam tomar conhecimento do transcrito original.

CRISTO, NOSSO IRM=C3O MAIS VELHO. Outra express=E3o que se est=E1 introdu=
zindo
entre n=F3s, particulamente por parte de oradores e autores de temas
evang=E9licos, =E9 referir-se ao nosso Senhor como o Cristo. =C9 l=F3gico=
 que n=E3o h=E1
nem pode haver outro. Entretanto, fomos informados de que seu nome =E9 JE=
SUS
CRISTO, e que ele =E9 o Unig=EAnito do Pai na carne, mas o Primog=EAnito =
no
esp=EDrito. Ele =E9 nosso Irm=E3o Mais Velho e foi distinguido pelo Pai c=
om a
plenitude de autoridade e poder como um membro da sublime Presid=EAncia,
formada pelo Pai, o Filho e o Esp=EDrito Santo. Foi comissionado, antes d=
a
forma=E7=E3o do mundo, para vir a esta Terra e aqui oferecer-se em sacrif=
=EDcio,
derramando seu sangue pelos pecados da humanidade, sob condi=E7=E3o de qu=
e se
arrependessem, e pela trangress=E3o de nossos primeiro pais que nos troux=
e o
estado deca=EDdo mortal.

QUANDO USA O T=CDTULO : "O CRISTO". O cognome Cristo =E9 um t=EDtulo comp=
ar=E1vel ao
de Messias e significa O Ungido, referindo-se ao of=EDcio do nosso Salvad=
or.
Caso um orador esteja falando da natureza e chamado de nosso Senhor no
of=EDcio que ocupa, ent=E3o o artigo definido antes do nome =E9 perfeitam=
ente
cab=EDvel. Entretetando, quando falamos do Redentor em outro sentido, n=E3=
o
ligado ao seu t=EDtulo oficial, conv=E9m n=E3o usarmos o artigo, mas o no=
me
completo de nosso Senhor, ou, melhor ainda, a fim de evitar repeti=E7=E3o
demasiada, dizer nosso Redentor ou Salvador ou o Senhor.
A grande li=E7=E3o que devemos aprender =E9 usar os t=EDtulos da Deidade =
com
parcim=F4nia, sem familiaridade ou falta de rever=EAncia em todas as noss=
a
prega=E7=F5es, escritos e conversas.

Ana Hatsu
Sorocaba SP
e-mail: [e-mail]


- -----Mensagem original-----
De: Yatyr M. Cesar <[e-mail]>
Para: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Data: Quarta-feira, 13 de Janeiro de 1999 15:53
Assunto: Re: Re: [SUD] Nome do Salvador


Pagina 15 ou 16 de Doutrinas de Salvacao 1.
Yatyr

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On 13/01/99, at 12:50, Leandro Almeida wrote:

>Li o livro recentemente e n=E3o me lembro da instru=E7=E3o, somente da e=
xplica=E7=E3o
no Nome e do T=EDtulo.
>
>Leandro de Almeida
>Ala Votorantim
>Estaca Sorocaba Brasil
>
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:22:08 -0200
From: "Yatyr M. Cesar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: [SUD] Nome do Salvador

Obrigado pela correcao. Eu fiz a busca com um programa que contem a versao=
 em ingles e por isso a diferenca na pagina. Mas valeu a ajuda.
Grato.
Yatyr

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On 14/01/99, at 03:36, Ana Hatsu wrote:

>Caro irm=E3o Cesar
>
>A cita=E7=E3o se encontra na P=C1GINA 17 NO subt=EDtulo "CRISTO, NOSSO=
 IRM=C3O MAIS
>VELHO". A qual transcrevo logo abaixo para que aqueles que n=E3o possuem a
>obra possam tomar conhecimento do transcrito original.
>
>CRISTO, NOSSO IRM=C3O MAIS VELHO. Outra express=E3o que se est=E1=
 introduzindo
>entre n=F3s, particulamente por parte de oradores e autores de temas
>evang=E9licos, =E9 referir-se ao nosso Senhor como o Cristo. =C9 l=F3gico=
 que n=E3o h=E1
>nem pode haver outro. Entretanto, fomos informados de que seu nome =E9=
 JESUS
>CRISTO, e que ele =E9 o Unig=EAnito do Pai na carne, mas o Primog=EAnito=
 no
>esp=EDrito. Ele =E9 nosso Irm=E3o Mais Velho e foi distinguido pelo Pai=
 com a
>plenitude de autoridade e poder como um membro da sublime Presid=EAncia,
>formada pelo Pai, o Filho e o Esp=EDrito Santo. Foi comissionado, antes da
>forma=E7=E3o do mundo, para vir a esta Terra e aqui oferecer-se em=
 sacrif=EDcio,
>derramando seu sangue pelos pecados da humanidade, sob condi=E7=E3o de que=
 se
>arrependessem, e pela trangress=E3o de nossos primeiro pais que nos trouxe=
 o
>estado deca=EDdo mortal.
>
>QUANDO USA O T=CDTULO : "O CRISTO". O cognome Cristo =E9 um t=EDtulo=
 compar=E1vel ao
>de Messias e significa O Ungido, referindo-se ao of=EDcio do nosso=
 Salvador.
>Caso um orador esteja falando da natureza e chamado de nosso Senhor no
>of=EDcio que ocupa, ent=E3o o artigo definido antes do nome =E9=
 perfeitamente
>cab=EDvel. Entretetando, quando falamos do Redentor em outro sentido,=
 n=E3o
>ligado ao seu t=EDtulo oficial, conv=E9m n=E3o usarmos o artigo, mas o=
 nome
>completo de nosso Senhor, ou, melhor ainda, a fim de evitar repeti=E7=E3o
>demasiada, dizer nosso Redentor ou Salvador ou o Senhor.
>A grande li=E7=E3o que devemos aprender =E9 usar os t=EDtulos da Deidade=
 com
>parcim=F4nia, sem familiaridade ou falta de rever=EAncia em todas as nossa
>prega=E7=F5es, escritos e conversas.
>
>Ana Hatsu
>Sorocaba SP
>e-mail: [e-mail]
>
>
>-----Mensagem original-----
>De: Yatyr M. Cesar <[e-mail]>
>Para: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Data: Quarta-feira, 13 de Janeiro de 1999 15:53
>Assunto: Re: Re: [SUD] Nome do Salvador
>
>
>Pagina 15 ou 16 de Doutrinas de Salvacao 1.
>Yatyr
>
>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>
>On 13/01/99, at 12:50, Leandro Almeida wrote:
>
>>Li o livro recentemente e n=E3o me lembro da instru=E7=E3o, somente da=
 explica=E7=E3o
>no Nome e do T=EDtulo.
>>
>>Leandro de Almeida
>>Ala Votorantim
>>Estaca Sorocaba Brasil
>>
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 http://www.xmission.com/~dkenison/brasil/sud/
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:46:03 -0700
From: "David Terry" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [SUD] Pensamento

*Este =E9 o tempo de sermos atenciosos e bons, decentes e corteses em =
nossos relacionamentos, em outras palavras, tornarmo-nos semelhantes a =
Cristo*.   =20
                        =09

    (Gordon B. Hinckley)


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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:46:56 -0700
From: "David Terry" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [SUD] Pensamento

Meditar
    "Meditar =E9 mais que ler as palavras; =E9 buscar significados que =
nos ajudem a tomar decis=F5es dif=EDceis e fazer escolhas na vida.  =C9 =
permitir que a palavra passe da nossa mente ao nosso cora=E7=E3o."




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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:23:26 -0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [SUD] ZzZzZzZzZzZ

ZzZzZzZzZz.... Onde est=E3o as pessoas desta lista de discuss=E3o?!!!

Gostaria de perguntar aos ex-companheiros da miss=E3o Brasil-
Porto Alegre (85-87)... se tem not=EDcias de Elder Kenney(Bryan
Smith Kenney) e Elder Talbot (Chad Erwin Talbot)

Grato

Celso Silva

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:52:09 -0700
From: "Dave Anderson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [SUD] ZzZzZzZzZzZ

Celso, nao tenho noticias desses boms companheiros.

Dave Anderson

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:53:25 -0600
From: "Gary M. Lewis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [SUD] ZzZzZzZzZzZ

A dificuldade para mim e que ninguem frequentem esta lista da Missao Brasil
Norte de 1971-1973.  Eu trabalhava nos bairros do Rio de Janeiro (Vista
Alegre, Voz Lobo, Penha, Cascadura, Madureira, Sao Cristovao), e tambem
Joao Pessoa e Volta Redonda.  Por exemplo, assisti na constuicao da capela
de Cascadura.

Se alguem passava ou morava naquelas areas entre 1971 a 1973, por favor
mande-mim noticias.
=20
P.S. Tambem era um outro "Elder Gary E. Lewis" em nossa missao, mas ele era
mais grande.

At 02:23 PM 1/22/99 -0200, you wrote:
>ZzZzZzZzZz.... Onde est=E3o as pessoas desta lista de discuss=E3o?!!!
>
>Gostaria de perguntar aos ex-companheiros da miss=E3o Brasil-
>Porto Alegre (85-87)... se tem not=EDcias de Elder Kenney(Bryan=20
>Smith Kenney) e Elder Talbot (Chad Erwin Talbot)
>
>Grato
>
>Celso Silva
>
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:03:14 -0700
From: Ed McGrath <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [SUD] ZzZzZzZzZzZ

"Gary M. Lewis" wrote:

> A dificuldade para mim e que ninguem frequentem esta lista da Missao Br=
asil
> Norte de 1971-1973.  Eu trabalhava nos bairros do Rio de Janeiro (Vista
> Alegre, Voz Lobo, Penha, Cascadura, Madureira, Sao Cristovao), e tambem
> Joao Pessoa e Volta Redonda.  Por exemplo, assisti na constuicao da cap=
ela
> de Cascadura.
>

Eu estive na Miss=E3o Brasilera do Norte nos anos 1968-1970. Tamb=E9m tra=
balhava no
Rio (Tijuca), Jo=E3o Pessoa, e Volta Redonda. (Quando estive em Volta Red=
onda, a
miss=E3o era parte da Miss=E3o Brasileira. Estive no Rio quando a Miss=E3=
o Brasileira
do Norte foi criada. O Presidente Floyd Hicken era o presidente da Miss=E3=
o
Brasileira quando chegei no Brasil em janeiro de 1968.
O Presidente Hal Johnson era o novo presidente quando criaram a nova miss=
=E3o. Eu
trabalhava nos cidades de Niteroi, Recife, e Vit=F3ria (do Esp=EDrito San=
to)
tamb=E9m.

Ed McGrath   [e-mail]


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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:11:26 -0200
From: Luiz Carlos de Carvalho <[e-mail]>
Subject: [SUD] Pedido!

Prezados irmπos,
Sou membro da Ala Cohab, Estaca Petrolina Brasil, estamos organizando
aqui um reuniπo de integraτπo especial, gostaria que os irmπos me
ajudassem enviando-me sujest⌡es de atividades que possam ser realizadas
durante esta reuniπo.
Grato
Luiz Carlos Carvalho
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:26:30 -0200
From: Luiz Carlos de Carvalho <[e-mail]>
Subject: [SUD] Ajuda!!!

Prezados irmπos!

Meu nome Θ Renivaldo JosΘ da Costa, servi missπo Brasil Rio de Janeiro
de 1994 a 96,
Elder Da Costa, e gostaria de me comunicar com meus ex-companheiros e
amigos de missπo,
se alguem serviu durante esta Θpoca na missπo Rio de Janeiro, ou tem
alguma informaτπo
sobre um missionßrio que tenha servido, favor me mandem alguma notφcia.
Grato
Renivaldo Jose da Costa (Elder Da Costa)



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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:40:25 -0200
From: "Winetton Euclides Montenegro" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [SUD] =?iso-8859-1?B?SW5mb3JtYef1ZXMgc29icmUgZmFt7WxpYXM=?=

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Gostar=EDamos de receber informa=E7=F5es e dados sobre as seguintes =
fam=EDlias, as quais estamos pesquisando:

Montenegro        - Espanha, Uruguay e Brasil                            =
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Winetton Euclides Montenegro
Ala S=E3o Luiz
Estaca Canoas - Brasil

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:26:03 -0200
From: "Winetton Euclides Montenegro" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [SUD] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Contatos_com_ex-mission=E1rios?=

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Gostar=EDamos de contatar com ex-mission=E1rios que tenham servidos na =
Miss=E3o Brasil-Porto Alegre Norte, e que tenham passado pela Estaca de =
Canoas - Ala S=E3o Luiz ou anterior Estaca de Novo Hamburgo - ex-Canoas =
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Pedimos tamb=E9m se poss=EDvel, enviar endere=E7os de conhecidos ou =
ex-companheiros que tamb=E9m tenham servido nessas Alas, principalmente =
nos =FAltimos dez anos. Ok?
=20
Sauda=E7=F5es
=20
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Ala S=E3o Luiz
Estaca Brasil-Canoas =20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Gostaríamos de contatar com=20
ex-missionários que tenham servidos na Missão Brasil-Porto =
Alegre=20
Norte, e que tenham passado pela Estaca de Canoas - Ala São Luiz =
ou=20
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possível, enviar=20
endereços de conhecidos ou ex-companheiros que também =
tenham=20
servido nessas Alas, principalmente nos últimos dez anos.=20
Ok?</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:44:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Mark-David McCool <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [SUD] Enderecos

Irmao,

olha para pagina da missao brasil fortaleza,  Deve ter algo ali ou pelo
menos pergunta o "webmaster"

o endereco e:  http://www.mbfa.silkspin.net  =20

posso ser errado mas e algo como isso



On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Jonathan Waite wrote:

> Pessoal,
> Estou procurando informacoes:  Preciso do endereco de Elder Athos Amorim=
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> (da setenta) e Elder Joao Roberto Martins-Silva.  Eu servi na missao=20
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> enderecos deles.
> Obrigado,
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:49:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Mark-David McCool <[e-mail]>
Subject: [SUD] MBFA UPDATE (fwd)

Aqui deve ajudar o irmao com o endereco da pagina da missao brasil
fortaleza




Mark-David McCool
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Jacob 6:12 "oh, be wise what more can you say?"
Jaco 6:12 " oh, sede sabio que mais poderes dizer?"

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Subject: MBFA UPDATE

THE BRAZIL FORTALEZA MISSION WEBSITE HAS BEEN UPDATED FOR THE WEEK OF:
1/17/99


>>>>>WELCOME NEWCOMERS:
S.John Benjamin 1988-1990
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>>>>>SEEKING CONTACT INFORMATION FOR:
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:26:23 -0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Paulo_Henrique_Gon=E7alves_VIana?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [SUD] Enderecos

Irm=E3os , o endere=E7o da miss=E3o Fortaleza =E9 esse :
http://mbfa.silkspin.net/ apenas corrigindo
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De: Mark-David McCool <[e-mail]>
Para: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Data: Ter=E7a-feira, 26 de Janeiro de 1999 20:51
Assunto: Re: [SUD] Enderecos


>
>Irmao,
>
>olha para pagina da missao brasil fortaleza,  Deve ter algo ali ou pelo
>menos pergunta o "webmaster"
>
>o endereco e:  http://www.mbfa.silkspin.net
>
>posso ser errado mas e algo como isso
>
>
>
>On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Jonathan Waite wrote:
>
>> Pessoal,
>> Estou procurando informacoes:  Preciso do endereco de Elder Athos Amor=
im
>> (da setenta) e Elder Joao Roberto Martins-Silva.  Eu servi na missao
>> Brasil Fortaleza e eles foram meus presidentes de missao e perdi os
>> enderecos deles.
>> Obrigado,
>> Jonathan Waite
>>
>> ______________________________________________________
>> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>>
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>
>
>
>Mark-David McCool
>[e-mail]
>homepage http://www.engr.csulb.edu/~mmccool
>Jacob 6:12 "oh, be wise what more can you say?"
>Jaco 6:12 " oh, sede sabio que mais poderes dizer?"
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:41:18 -0200
From: "Ana Hatsu" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [SUD] Sobre o nascimento de Cristo

Ol=E1 irm=E3os da lista,

Eu tenho feito constantes estudos sobre o evangelho, e tenho tido algumas
d=FAvidas, espero que possam me ajudar.

Minha d=FAvida est=E1 em um artigo que achei na internet, ele d=E1 a refe=
r=EAncia de
onde est=E1, mas eu n=E3o possui esta obra, ent=E3o caso algum irm=E3o a =
tenha por
favor, a transcreva para mim em forma de e-mail.

* Deus teve rela=E7=F5es sexuais com Maria para produzir o corpo de Jesus=
,
Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, p. 218, 1857.

Se algu=E9m tiver essa obra por favor me mande, mesmo que seja em ingl=EA=
s.
Tenho grande interesse em estudar esse assunto. Se tiver outras referenci=
as
sobre o assunto, me mandem tamb=E9m.

Para quem quiser estudar o assunto, abaixo dou algumas referencias do meu
estudo:

- - 1 nefi 11:18-20 - diz que Maria foi arrebatada por um espa=E7o de tempo
- - Alma 7:10 - uma sombra a envolver=E1 e ser=E1 concebida pelo Esp=EDrito=
 Santo
- - Mateus 1:18 - acho-se ter concebido pelo Esp=EDrito Santo
- - Lucas 1:26-38 - Descer=E1 sobre ti o Esp=EDrito Santo, e a virtude do
Alt=EDssimo te cobrir=E1 com tua sombra.
- - Doutrinha de Salva=E7=E3o Volume 1 P=E1ginas 20 a 22

Irm=E3os, reafirmo, que o que fa=E7o =E9 um estudo, n=E3o estou afirmando=
 que Deus,
o Pai, teve rela=E7=F5es sexuais com Maria, apenas foi uma referencia que
encontrei e quero tirar d=FAvidas baseadas em escritos autorizados da Igr=
eja.
Nenhum de meus estudos s=E3o baseados em ouvi fulano dizer, e sim nas
escrituras e literatura autoriazada pela Igreja.

Agradecendo desde j=E1,

Ana Hatsu
Sorocaba SP



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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:29:21 -0700 (MST)
From: Scot Lassle <[e-mail]>
Subject: [SUD] ?

Alguem sabe a traduzcao  de "Internship" em portuguese?
Scot



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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 05:02:39 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [SUD] ?

A palavra =E9 est=E1gio. - Hugh

In a message dated 1/28/1999 12:30:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Subj:=09 [SUD] ?
 Date:=091/28/1999 12:30:16 AM Eastern Standard Time
 From:=[e-mail] (Scot Lassle)
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 Alguem sabe a traduzcao  de "Internship" em portuguese?
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:31:38 -0200
From: "Ana Hatsu" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [SUD] Re: o discurso de Brigham Young

Obrigada irm=E3o pelo discurso.. vou estudar...

Ana Hatsu
Sorocaba SP

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De: Ed McGrath <[e-mail]>
Para: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Data: Quinta-feira, 28 de Janeiro de 1999 04:45
Assunto: o discurso de Brigham Young


>Ana,
>
>Aqui est=E1 o discurso enteiro de Presidente Brigham Young (s=F3 tenho e=
m
>ingl=EAs) que =EAle fez o dia 8 de fevereiro 1857.
>
>Ed McGrath   [e-mail]   (Pleasant Grove, Utah  EEUU)
>
>
>Father of Our Spirits and Bodies=97Things Created Spiritually
>First=97Atonement by the Shedding of Blood
> Journal of Discourses Vol. 4, p. 215
>  A Discourse by President Brigham Young, Delivered in the Tabernacle,
>Great Salt Lake City, February 8, 1857.
> Journal of Discourses Vol. 4, p. 215-221
>  I feel myself somewhat under obligations to come here and talk to the
>people, inasmuch as I have absented myself for some time, and others
>have occupied this stand.
>
>  Perhaps I will not talk to you long, but I desire to pursue some of
>the ideas that brother Cummings has just laid before you. I can testify
>that every word he has spoken is true, even to the advancement of the
>Saints at a "small gallop." Though that is rather a novel expression,
>still it is true, as well as all the rest which he advanced.
>
>  The items that have been advanced are principles of real doctrine,
>whether you consider them so or not. It is one of the first principles
>of the doctrine of salvation to become acquainted with our Father and
>our God. The Scriptures teach that this is eternal life, to "know Thee,
>the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent;" this is as
>much as to say that no man can enjoy or be prepared for eternal life
>without that knowledge.
>
>  You hear a great deal of preaching upon this subject; and when people
>repent of their sins, they will get together, and pray and exhort each
>other, and try to get the spirit of revelation, try to have God their
>Father revealed to them, that they may know Him and become acquainted
>with Him.
>
>  There are some plain, simple facts that I wish to tell you, and I have
>but one desire in this, which is, that you should have understanding to
>receive them, to treasure them up in your hearts, to contemplate upon
>these facts, for they are simple facts, based upon natural principles;
>there is no mystery about them when once understood.
>
>  I want to tell you, each and every one of you, that you are well
>acquainted with God our heavenly Father, or the great Eloheim. You are
>all well acquainted with Him, for there is not a soul of you but what
>has lived in His house and dwelt with Him year after year; and yet you
>are seeking to become acquainted with Him, when the fact is, you have
>merely forgotten what you did know. I told you a little last Sabbath
>about forgetting things.
>
>  There is not a person here to-day but what is a son or a daughter of
>that Being. In the spirit world their spirits were first begotten and
>brought forth, and they lived there with their parents for ages before
>they came here. This, perhaps, is hard for many to believe, but it is
>the greatest nonsense in the world not to believe it. If you do not
>believe it, cease to call Him Father; and when you pray, pray to some
>other character.
>
>  It would be inconsistent in you to disbelieve what I think you know,
>and then to go home and ask the Father to do so and so for you. The
>Scriptures which we believe have taught us from the beginning to call
>Him our Father, and we have been taught to pray to Him as our Father, in
>the name of our eldest brother whom we call Jesus Christ, the Saviour of
>the world; and that Saviour, while here on earth, was so explicit on the
>point that he taught his disciples to call no man on earth father, for
>we have one which is in heaven. He is the Saviour, because it is his
>right to redeem the remainder of the family pertaining to the flesh on
>this earth, if any of you do not believe this, tell us how and what we
>should believe. If I am not telling you the truth, please to tell me the
>truth on this subject, and let me know more than I do know. If it is
>hard for you to believe, if you wish to be Latter-day Saints, admit the
>fact as I state it, and do not contend against it. Try to believe it,
>because you will never become acquainted with our Father, never enjoy
>the blessings of His Spirit, never be prepared to enter into His
>presence, until you most assuredly believe it; therefore you had better
>try to believe this great mystery about God.
>
>  I do not marvel that the world is clad in mystery, to them He is an
>unknown God; they cannot tell where He dwells nor how He lives, nor what
>kind of a being He is in appearance or character. They want to become
>acquainted with His character and attributes, but they know nothing of
>them. This is in consequence of the apostacy that is now in the world.
>They have departed from the knowledge of God, transgressed His laws,
>changed His ordinances, and broken the everlasting covenant, so that the
>whole earth is defiled under the inhabitants thereof. Consequently it is
>no mystery to us that the world knoweth not God, but it would be a
>mystery to me, with what I now know, to say that we cannot know anything
>of Him. We are His children.
>
>  To bring the truth of this matter close before you, I will instance
>your fathers who made the first permanent settlement in New England.
>There are a good many in this congregation whose fathers landed upon
>Plymouth Rock in the year 1620. Those fathers began to spread abroad;
>they had children, those children had children, and their children had
>children, and here are we their children. I am one of them, and many of
>this congregation belong to that class. Now ask yourselves this simple
>question upon natural principles, has the species altered? Were not the
>people who landed at Plymouth Rock the same species with us? Were they
>not organized as we are? Were not their countenances similar to ours?
>Did they not converse, have knowledge, read books? Were there not
>mechanics among them, and did they not understand agriculture, &c., as
>we do? Yes, every person admits this.
>
>  Now follow our fathers further back and take those who first came to
>the island of Great Britain, were they the same species of beings as
>those who came to America? Yes, all acknowledge this; this is upon
>natural principles. Thus you may continue and trace the human family
>back to Adam and Eve, and ask, "are we of the same species with Adam and
>Eve?" Yes, every person acknowledges this; this comes within the scope
>of our understanding.
>
>  But when we arrive at that point, a vail is dropt, and our knowledge
>is cut off. Were it not so, you could trace back your history to the
>Father of our spirits in the eternal world. He is a being of the same
>species as ourselves; He lives as we do, except the difference that we
>are earthly, and He is heavenly. He has been earthly, and is of
>precisely the same species of being that we are. Whether Adam is the
>personage that we should consider our heavenly Father, or not, is
>considerable of a mystery to a good many. I do not care for one moment
>how that is; it is no matter whether we are to consider Him our God, or
>whether His Father, or His Grandfather, for in either case we are of one
>species-of one family-and Jesus Christ is also of our species.
>
>  You may hear the divines of the day extol the character of the
>Saviour, undertake to exhibit his true character before the people, and
>give an account of his origin, and were it not ridiculous, I would tell
>what I have thought about their views. Brother Kimball wants me to tell
>it, therefore you will excuse me if I do. I have frequently thought of
>mules, which you know are half horse and half ass, when reflecting upon
>the representations made by those divines. I have heard sectarian
>priests undertake to tell the character of the Son of God, and they make
>him half of one species and half of another, and I could not avoid
>thinking at once of the mule, which is the most hateful creature that
>ever was made, I believe. You will excuse me, but I have thus thought
>many a time.
>
>(aqui come=E7a a p=E1gina 218)
>
>  Now to the facts in the case; all the difference between Jesus Christ
>and any other man that ever lived on the earth, from the days of Adam
>until now, is simply this, the Father, after He had once been in the
>flesh, and lived as we live, obtained His exaltation, attained to
>thrones, gained the ascendancy over principalities and powers, and had
>the knowledge and power to create-to bring forth and organize the
>elements upon natural principles. This He did after His ascension, or
>His glory, or His eternity, and was actually classed with the Gods, with
>the beings who create, with those who have kept the celestial law while
>in the flesh, and again obtained their bodies. Then He was prepared to
>commence the work of creation, as the Scriptures teach. It is all here
>in the Bible; I am not telling you a word but what is contained in that
>book.
>
>  Things were first created spiritually; the Father actually begat the
>spirits, and they were brought forth and lived with Him. Then He
>commenced the work of creating earthly tabernacles, precisely as He had
>been created in this flesh himself, by partaking of the course material
>that was organized and composed this earth, until His system was charged
>with it, consequently the tabernacles of His children were organized
>from the coarse materials of this earth.
>
>(acho que o seguinte =E9 a parte que voc=EA est=E1 querendo)
>
>  When the time came that His first-born, the Saviour, should come into
>the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured
>that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it.
>The Saviour was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same Being
>who is the Father of our spirits, and that is all the organic difference
>between Jesus Christ and you and me. And a difference there is between
>our Father and us consists in that He has gained His exaltation, and has
>obtained eternal lives. The principle of eternal lives is an eternal
>existence, eternal duration, eternal exaltation. Endless are His
>kingdoms, endless His thrones and His dominions, and endless are His
>posterity; they never will cease to multiply from this time henceforth
>and forever.
>
>  To you who are prepared to enter into the presence of the Father and
>the Son, what I am now telling will eventually be no more strange than
>are the feelings of a person who returns to his father's house,
>brethren, and sisters, and enjoys the society of his old associates,
>after an absence of several years upon some distant island. Upon
>returning he would be happy to see his father, his relatives and
>friends. So also if we keep the celestial law when our spirits go to God
>who gave them, we shall find that we are acquainted there and distinctly
>realize that we know all about that world.
>
>  Tell me that you do not know anything about God! I will tell you one
>thing, it would better become you to lay your hands upon your mouths and
>them in the dust, and cry, "unclean, unclean."
>
>  Whether you receive these things or not, I tell you them in
>simplicity. I lay them before you like a child, because they are
>perfectly simple. If you see and understand these things, it will be by
>the Spirit of God; you will receive them by no other spirit. No matter
>whether they are told to you like the thunderings of the Almighty, or by
>simple conversation; if you enjoy the Spirit of the Lord, it will tell
>you whether they are right or not.
>
>  I am acquainted with my Father. I am as confident that I understand in
>part, see in part, and know and am acquainted with Him in part, as I am
>that I was acquainted with my earthly father who died in Quincy,
>Illinois, after we were driven from Missouri. My recollection is better
>with regard to my earthly father than it is in regard to my heavenly
>Father; but as to knowing of what species He is, and how He is
>organized, and with regard to His existence, I understand it in part as
>well as I understand the organization and existence of my earthly
>father. That is my opinion about it, and my opinion to me is just as
>good as yours is to you; and if you are of the same opinion you will be
>satisfied as I am.
>
>  I know my heavenly Father and Jesus Christ whom He has sent, and this
>is eternal life. And if we will do as we have been told this morning, if
>you will enter into the Spirit of your calling, into the principle of
>securing to yourselves eternal lives, eternal existence, eternal
>exaltation, it will be well with you. But if, after being put into a
>carriage and placed upon the road, after having everything prepared for
>the journey that infinite wisdom could devise, this people stroll into
>the swamp, get into the woods among the brambles and briars, and wander
>around until night overtakes them, I say, shame on such people.
>
>  I am ashamed to talk about a reformation, for if you have entered into
>the spirit of your religion, you will know whether these things are so
>or not. If you have the spirit of your religion and have confidence in
>you, walk along and continue to do so, and secure to yourselves the life
>before you, and never let it be said, from this time henceforth, that
>you have wakened out of your sleep, from the fact that you are always
>awake.
>
>  We talk about the reformation, but recollect that you have only just
>commenced to walk in the way of life and salvation. You have just
>commenced in the career to obtain eternal life, which is that which you
>desire, therefore you have no time to spend only in that path. It is
>straight and narrow, simple and easy, and is an Almighty path, if you
>will keep in it. But if you wander off into swamps, or into brambles,
>and get into darkness, you will find it hard to get back.
>
>  Brother Cummings told you the truth this morning with regard to the
>sins of the people. And I will say that the time will come, and is now
>nigh at hand, when those who profess our faith, if they are guilty of
>what some of this people are guilty of, will find the axe laid at the
>root of the tree, and they will be hewn down. What has been must be
>again, for the Lord is coming to restore all things. The time has been
>in Israel under the law of God, the celestial law, or that which
>pertains to the celestial law, for it is one of the laws of that kingdom
>where our Father dwells, that if a man was found guilty of adultery, he
>must have his blood shed, and that is near at hand. But now I say, in
>the name of the Lord, that if this people will sin no more, but
>faithfully live their religion, their sins will be forgiven them without
>taking life.
>
>  You are aware that when brother Cummings came to the point of loving
>our neighbours as ourselves, he could say yes or no as the case might
>be, that is true. But I want to connect it with the doctrine you read in
>the Bible. When will we love our neighbour as ourselves? In the first
>place, Jesus said that no man hateth his own flesh. It is admitted by
>all that every person loves himself. Now if we do rightly love
>ourselves, we want to be saved and continue to exist, we want to go into
>the kingdom where we can enjoy eternity and see no more sorrow nor
>death. This is the desire of every person who believes in God. Now take
>a person in this congregation who has knowledge with regard to being
>saved in the kingdom of our God and our Father, and being exalted, one
>who knows and understands the principles of eternal life, and sees the
>beauty and excellency of the eternities before him compared with the
>vain and foolish things of the world, and suppose that he is overtaken
>in a gross fault, that he has committed a sin that he knows will deprive
>him of that exaltation which he desires, and that he cannot attain to it
>without the shedding of his blood, and also knows that by having his
>blood shed he will atone for that sin, and be saved and exalted with the
>Gods, is there a man of woman in this house but what would say, "shed my
>blood that I may be saved and exalted with the Gods?"
>
>  All mankind love themselves, and let these principles be known by an
>individual, and he would be glad to have his blood shed. That would be
>loving themselves, even unto an eternal exaltation. Will you love your
>brothers or sisters likewise, when they have committed a sin that cannot
>be atoned for without the shedding of their blood? Will you love that
>man or woman well enough to shed their blood? That is what Jesus Christ
>meant. He never told a man or woman to love their enemies in their
>wickedness, never. He never intended any such thing; his language is
>left as it is for those to read who have the Spirit to discern between
>truth and error; it was so left for those who can discern the things of
>God. Jesus Christ never meant that we should love a wicked man in his
>wickedness.
>
>  Now take the wicked, and I can refer to where the Lord had to slay
>every soul of the Israelites that went out of Egypt, except Caleb and
>Joshua. He slew them by the hands of their enemies, by the plague, and
>by the sword, why? Because He loved them, and promised Abraham that He
>would save them. And He loved Abraham because he was a friend to his
>God, and would stick to Him in the hour of darkness, hence He promised
>Abraham that He would save his seed. And He could save them upon no
>other principle, for they had forfeited their right to the land of
>Canaan by transgressing the law of God, and they could not have atoned
>for the sin if they had lived. But if they were slain, the Lord could
>bring them up in the resurrection, and give them the land of Canaan, and
>He could not do it on any other principle.
>
>  I could refer you to plenty of instances where men have been
>righteously slain, in order to atone for their sins. I have seen scores
>and hundreds of people for whom there would have been a chance (in the
>last resurrection there will be) if their lives had been taken and their
>blood spilled on the ground as a smoking incense to the Almighty, but
>who are now angels to the devil, until our elder brother Jesus Christ
>raises them up-conquers death, hell, and the grave. I have known a great
>many men who have left this Church for whom there is no chance whatever
>for exaltation, but if their blood had been spilled, it would have been
>better for them. The wickedness and ignorance of the nations forbid this
>principle's being in full force, but the time will come when the law of
>God will be in full force.
>
>  This is loving our neighbour as ourselves; if he needs help, help him;
>and if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the
>earth in order that he may be saved, spill it. Any of you who understand
>the principles of eternity, if you have sinned a sin requiring the
>shedding of blood, except the sin unto death, would not be satisfied nor
>rest until your blood should be spilled, that you might gain that
>salvation you desire. That is the way to love mankind.
>
>  Christ and Belial have not become friends; they have never shaken
>hands; they never have agreed to be brothers and to be on good terms;
>no, never; and they never will, because they are diametrically opposed
>to each other. If one conquers, the other is destroyed. One or the other
>of them must triumph and utterly destroy and cast down his opponent.
>Light and darkness cannot dwell together, and so it is with the kingdom
>of God.
>
>  Now, brethren and sisters, will you live your religion? How many
>hundreds of times have I asked you that question? Will the Latter-day
>Saints live their religion? I am ashamed to say anything about a
>reformation among Saints, but I am happy to think that the people called
>Latter-day Saints are striving now to obtain the Spirit of their calling
>and religion. They are just coming into the path, just waking up out of
>their sleep. It seems as though they are nearly all like babies; we are
>but children in one sense. Now let us begin, like children, and walk in
>the straight and narrow path, live our religion, and honour our God.
>
>  With these remarks, I pray the God of Israel to bless you forever and
>ever, for you are the best people on earth. I can say that I am happy
>that you are doing so well as you are. Continue to increase in all the
>graces of God's Spirit until the day of His coming, which I desire with
>all my heart, in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
>


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