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From: [e-mail]
Subject: BB: January Breakfast
Date: 04 Jan 2002 00:04:23 -0700



Just a quick announcement to remind everyone of the January Breakfast meeting on
January 12, 2002.  10:00am.

Olympian Restaurant
4908 South Redwood Road
Taylorsville, UT
801-968-7728

At the breakfast we will introduce the schedule for the year and the activities
of the club.

I apologize that we as a board were not able to find a replacement for Tom
Deaver as the Editor and as a result, there will not be January 2002 Stinger.
We are working on appointing an Editor but would appreciate your help if you are
willing to help us out.  Please let someone on the board know if you are willing
to do the job of Editor.  As a result of there not being a Stinger this month,
please spread the word about the breakfast.

I hope to see you all there as being around other motorcycle enthusiasts will
help me with my PMS (parked motorcycle syndrome).

Is the snow gone yet? Is the snow gone yet? Is the snow gone yet?

Andy



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From: Jeb Berg <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: New Email Address
Date: 12 Jan 2002 17:18:53 -0700

My new email address is [e-mail] effective immediately.


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From: "Winston Winston" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Club Suggestion
Date: 13 Jan 2002 02:11:44

I enjoyed our breakfast meeting today.  I joined the club last June and have
tried to attend every breakfast meeting.  I live in Logan and at every
meeting heard that we have other club members in the Cache Valley area.  I
have not met any of the Cache Valley members yet.  As I understand the club
boundaries, it covers the entire state of Utah.   Would there be any
interest in forming sub-groups within the club?  For example the state could
have regional activity groups and rides.  It would allow us to meet other
BMW riders in our local area who are not interested in traveling to SLC for
breakfasts or rides that are far from home.  For my part, I love traveling
to different parts of the state (any excuse for a ride is a valid excuse for
me).  In our meeting this morning we discussed recruiting new members.
Perhaps a regional approach would be appealing to those who do not live in
the SLC area.

To all of the new officers, thanks for volunteering and taking time out of
your busy lives to support the club and my favorite activity, riding BMW
motorcycles.
Buck Russell


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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: New Email Address
Date: 12 Jan 2002 22:22:24 -0700

With all due respect, Jeb, I wish you the best of luck in getting
this changed.  I've been trying for 6 months to get my Stingers sent
to the right address.......
:^/

DeVern


On 12 Jan 2002 at 17:18, Jeb Berg wrote:

> My new email address is [e-mail] effective immediately.
>
DeVern Gerber
[e-mail]

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From: "Jeb Berg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Test again
Date: 13 Jan 2002 16:25:16 -0700

Test again

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From: "Jeb Berg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: Test again
Date: 13 Jan 2002 16:26:02 -0700

IT WORKS!!!!!

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> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: BB: Test again
> Date: Sunday, January 13, 2002 4:25 PM
>
> Test again
>
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: BB: BMW of Salt Lake Open House
Date: 22 Jan 2002 23:20:00 -0500 (EST)

Reminder of the Open House this Saturday, January 26, 2002 at BMW of Salt
Lake.  They offered a tire patch tech session where spots had to be reserved.
Check out their web site for further details.  http://www.bmwofsaltlake.com

As discussed at the January breakfast meeting, the club will have the
opportunity to man a table and try to increase club membership.  We are in need
of some volunteers to help man the table.  So far we have:

Crit Swanner
David Hartwig
Andy Sager

Please let me know if you are willing to help.

Andy Sager

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: BMW of Salt Lake Open House
Date: 22 Jan 2002 22:34:14 -0700

Andy;

Thanks for the info RE the open house.  I must take issue, however,
with the concept of manning a table to "increase membership."  We
don't need any more members.  In fact, since the club started chasing
the idea of larger=better we have, like lemmings rushing toward the
sea, ignored what is really happening around us.  We have more
members now than at practically any other time in club history, yet
we have less involvement from the membership that at any time I can
remember.  I have a lot more to say on this and plan on venting my
spleen both in person and in print, but suffice it to say for now
that we as a club have lost sight of the fact that bigger isn't
better, *better* is better.

DG


On 22 Jan 2002 at 23:20, [e-mail] wrote:

> Reminder of the Open House this Saturday, January 26, 2002 at BMW of
> Salt Lake.  They offered a tire patch tech session where spots had to
> be reserved.  Check out their web site for further details.
> http://www.bmwofsaltlake.com
>
> As discussed at the January breakfast meeting, the club will have the
> opportunity to man a table and try to increase club membership.  We
> are in need of some volunteers to help man the table.  So far we have:
>
> Crit Swanner
> David Hartwig
> Andy Sager
>
> Please let me know if you are willing to help.
>
> Andy Sager
>
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From: JEFF STOKES <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: BMW of Salt Lake Open House
Date: 23 Jan 2002 09:58:11 -0800 (PST)

DeVern,

   Sorry, but I have to disagree with you.  Without
new members bringing fresh ideas and enthusiasm into
the club what shape would the club be in??  Look at
the current officer board, all but Joan have been in
the club only a few years.  As you think about the
members who time and time again volunteer there time
to the club ask yourself, who is going to pick up the
ball and run with it in the coming years. Are you
running for office next year DeVern?  If we followed
your policy of not needing new members then the only
members of our club would be the original core group
of people that started the club.  without new members
the club will stagnate and start to decline.  Active
members make a better club and that may mean new
members.

Just my opinion
Jeff Stokes



  --- DeVern Gerber <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Andy;
>
> Thanks for the info RE the open house.  I must take
> issue, however,
> with the concept of manning a table to "increase
> membership."  We
> don't need any more members.  In fact, since the
> club started chasing
> the idea of larger=better we have, like lemmings
> rushing toward the
> sea, ignored what is really happening around us.  We
> have more
> members now than at practically any other time in
> club history, yet
> we have less involvement from the membership that at
> any time I can
> remember.  I have a lot more to say on this and plan
> on venting my
> spleen both in person and in print, but suffice it
> to say for now
> that we as a club have lost sight of the fact that
> bigger isn't
> better, *better* is better.
>
> DG
>
>
> On 22 Jan 2002 at 23:20, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > Reminder of the Open House this Saturday, January
> 26, 2002 at BMW of
> > Salt Lake.  They offered a tire patch tech session
> where spots had to
> > be reserved.  Check out their web site for further
> details.
> > http://www.bmwofsaltlake.com
> >
> > As discussed at the January breakfast meeting, the
> club will have the
> > opportunity to man a table and try to increase
> club membership.  We
> > are in need of some volunteers to help man the
> table.  So far we have:
> >
> > Crit Swanner
> > David Hartwig
> > Andy Sager
> >
> > Please let me know if you are willing to help.
> >
> > Andy Sager
> >
> >
>
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>
> DeVern Gerber
> [e-mail]
>
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> '95 R1100RSL (Das Amsdel)
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>
>
>
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From: "David R. Hartwig" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Bigger vs. Better?
Date: 23 Jan 2002 20:28:27 +0000

Hi folks:

Reading the email and first of all, all people have the right to express
opinions.  Differing opinions spark creativity.

Secondly there is something to be said for the idea that bigger is not
always better.  Better is better, I agree.

Third -- how do you get better -- I suggest it is by getting bigger,
getting more ideas; more opinions; more discussion.

I've been a member for less than a year and have seen the club from that
point of view.  It is difficult to get involved with a group of
"old-timers" if I can use that phrase, and it has been at times
difficult to get involved in this club.  No complaining at all, for it
just takes some time and effort to get to know some of the members of
the club and, overall, I have been welcomed most of the time.

But, I really must weigh in on the side of recruitment and opening the
doors to all (perhaps I'm just a civil-libertarian or something like
that).  Old-blood, new-blood, the bottom line to me is enjoying a
motorcyle -- BMWs -- and riding with people who enjoy those machines;
people who can teach me things about the machines or show me a new road
-- or just share the road.  That is why I joined -- and why I would like
to see the club grow.

Can one really have too many friends?

Can a rider really have too much help and companionship?

I don't think so....   and, remember -- if the bigger is to become
better it takes all of us to work together to bring old and new together
and form a club we all want to be members of (is that a
split-infinitive?) ...  unless that is you're Groucho Marx (Never join a
club that'd have him as a member).

David Hartwig


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From: "Bob Mabey" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: FW: Membership
Date: 24 Jan 2002 14:19:44 -0700

Sent this to the old address yesterday and no one jumped all over me, so
figured it didn't go anywhere.

 -----Original Message-----
Sent:    Wednesday, January 23, 2002 9:03 PM

Fact of the matter is - you are probably both right.  As a member of a
couple of local groups, and president of one, I see them all with the same
problem.  I'm just happy to see people come out and participate.  Let's quit
taking this thing so seriously and have fun with it.  More power to the
"younger" guys or anyone who wants to get involved in making things happen.
It ain't like we're running a multi-billion dollar enterprise like ENRON or
something.  Members will come and go for various reasons.  I joined years
ago as a charter member, drove up to visit with John Sherfy and learned more
about BMW motorcycles in an hour than I had in a couple of years on my own,
didn't even go to a meeting for probably ten years until I retired, but have
now met some great people that I look forward to chatting with, etc.  You
young fellas go with it.  No drugs and sex though.  Well, I guess sex would
be okay.

Bob


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Bigger vs. Better?
Date: 24 Jan 2002 16:45:58 -0500 (EST)

Quoting "David R. Hartwig" <[e-mail]>:

> Hi folks:
>
> Reading the email and first of all, all people have the right to
> express
> opinions.  Differing opinions spark creativity.
>
> Secondly there is something to be said for the idea that bigger is not
> always better.  Better is better, I agree.
>
> Third -- how do you get better -- I suggest it is by getting bigger,
> getting more ideas; more opinions; more discussion.
>
> I've been a member for less than a year and have seen the club from
> that
> point of view.  It is difficult to get involved with a group of
> "old-timers" if I can use that phrase, and it has been at times
> difficult to get involved in this club.  No complaining at all, for it
> just takes some time and effort to get to know some of the members of
> the club and, overall, I have been welcomed most of the time.
>
> But, I really must weigh in on the side of recruitment and opening the
> doors to all (perhaps I'm just a civil-libertarian or something like
> that).  Old-blood, new-blood, the bottom line to me is enjoying a
> motorcyle -- BMWs -- and riding with people who enjoy those machines;
> people who can teach me things about the machines or show me a new
> road
> -- or just share the road.  That is why I joined -- and why I would
> like
> to see the club grow.
>
> Can one really have too many friends?
>
> Can a rider really have too much help and companionship?
>
> I don't think so....   and, remember -- if the bigger is to become
> better it takes all of us to work together to bring old and new
> together
> and form a club we all want to be members of (is that a
> split-infinitive?) ...  unless that is you're Groucho Marx (Never join
> a
> club that'd have him as a member).
>
> David Hartwig
>
>
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Thank You David, I was in the process of typing a reply when I read yours and
found no need to add anything else.

DeVern, I understand your complaint and I would say the same if the only
thing the elected club officers are trying to do is increase membership.  And
since it is not, we are hopefully headed in the right direction.

The January breakfast meeting gave us a chance to introduce this years
calendar to the 47 people in attendance.  It was unanimously accepted and
will be posted to the web shortly.  To tickle your interest, we are planning
a lunch ride to Logan, some other club rides, tech sessions on bike to bike
communication and GPS, rides to Park City, and other rallies and campouts.

In the few years I have been a member I have asked myself why I keep paying
my dues when this club does nothing motorcycle related or give me a chance to
ride or discuss motorcycles.  I feel the small steps we are taking as a board
are steps in the right direction.

We as a board welcome anyones feedback on the direction we are going as a
club and gladly accept your willingness to help.

Keep your eye on the web page and in upcoming Stingers for the club calendar and
I hope to see you all on the road.

Regards,

Andy Sager

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From: Jeb Berg <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Bigger vs. =?iso-8859-1?q?Better=3F?=
Date: 25 Jan 2002 16:02:31 -0700


Well, the old adage ΓÇ£opinions are like assholes, everybody have
oneΓÇ¥ is about to apply. After reading the comments about membership
I canΓÇÖt stop myself.

I bought my GS from Ted in 1997 and spent that riding season keeping
to myself. It was a great riding season for me. Then in Feb. 1998, I
attended my first club meeting and joined. Only 10 months later, at my
first annual Christmas meeting, I was elected Vice President for the
1999-riding season. In 2000, when duty called, I became the clubΓÇÖs
President. During my years in the club I have had a wonderful time
meeting and working with our members, both new and long term members.
The value of new members is clear to me (while some of you may argue
that my value to the club was questionable).

One of the things that I love about this club is that the members are
very smart and very opinionated. Those two characteristics go hand in
hand, and differing opinions definitely spark creativity.

Now I suggest that everyone go back and reread DeVernΓÇÖs note. He did
not say that we do not need new members. What he said is that he does
not support the concept of manning a table to increase membership. I
frankly have trouble understanding the need to man a membership table
at an event that surely will be attended mostly by club members in the
first place.

I know that Andy and Company have many good ideas. And it is my
experience that this club speaks its opinion readily, so Andy and his
team will get the spiritual guidance needed.

And now for my spiritual advise to the board: before you explore new
members, you need to understand the issues that have resulted in us
loosing members. If you can understand and address the issues that
drove members away, the club will be successful and a successful club
grows. DeVern is right, we have a large membership of mainly
non-involved members. Better is better and our current board is
focused on making the club better. But better clubs get bigger, that
is a fact of organizations.

Scrap the table and install a permanent, bold presentation including
the Stinger for all who come to the shop to read. Capture the new
customers who are buying BMW motorcycles like David Hartwig, people
who will make us better.


Jeb Berg

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> Quoting "David R. Hartwig" <[e-mail]>:
>
> > Hi folks:
> >
> > Reading the email and first of all, all people have the right to
> > express
> > opinions.  Differing opinions spark creativity.
> >
> > Secondly there is something to be said for the idea that bigger is
not
> > always better.  Better is better, I agree.
> >
> > Third -- how do you get better -- I suggest it is by getting
bigger,
> > getting more ideas; more opinions; more discussion.
> >
> > I've been a member for less than a year and have seen the club
from
> > that
> > point of view.  It is difficult to get involved with a group of
> > "old-timers" if I can use that phrase, and it has been at times
> > difficult to get involved in this club.  No complaining at all,
for it
> > just takes some time and effort to get to know some of the members
of
> > the club and, overall, I have been welcomed most of the time.
> >
> > But, I really must weigh in on the side of recruitment and opening
the
> > doors to all (perhaps I'm just a civil-libertarian or something
like
> > that).  Old-blood, new-blood, the bottom line to me is enjoying a
> > motorcyle -- BMWs -- and riding with people who enjoy those
machines;
> > people who can teach me things about the machines or show me a new
> > road
> > -- or just share the road.  That is why I joined -- and why I
would
> > like
> > to see the club grow.
> >
> > Can one really have too many friends?
> >
> > Can a rider really have too much help and companionship?
> >
> > I don't think so....   and, remember -- if the bigger is to become
> > better it takes all of us to work together to bring old and new
> > together
> > and form a club we all want to be members of (is that a
> > split-infinitive?) ...  unless that is you're Groucho Marx (Never
join
> > a
> > club that'd have him as a member).
> >
> > David Hartwig
> >
> >
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>
> Thank You David, I was in the process of typing a reply when I read
yours and
> found no need to add anything else.
>
> DeVern, I understand your complaint and I would say the same if the
only
> thing the elected club officers are trying to do is increase
membership.  And
> since it is not, we are hopefully headed in the right direction.
>
> The January breakfast meeting gave us a chance to introduce this
years
> calendar to the 47 people in attendance.  It was unanimously
accepted and
> will be posted to the web shortly.  To tickle your interest, we are
planning
> a lunch ride to Logan, some other club rides, tech sessions on bike
to bike
> communication and GPS, rides to Park City, and other rallies and
campouts.
>
> In the few years I have been a member I have asked myself why I keep
paying
> my dues when this club does nothing motorcycle related or give me a
chance to
> ride or discuss motorcycles.  I feel the small steps we are taking
as a board
> are steps in the right direction.
>
> We as a board welcome anyones feedback on the direction we are going
as a
> club and gladly accept your willingness to help.
>
> Keep your eye on the web page and in upcoming Stingers for the club
calendar and
> I hope to see you all on the road.
>
> Regards,
>
> Andy Sager
>
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From: "David R. Hartwig" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Continuing controversy
Date: 25 Jan 2002 16:53:59 +0000

I really like Mr. Berg's introductory paragarph, and perhaps it applies
here.  I also like his idea of, if Mike the owner is agreeable, to
having a permanent space in the shop for the club's calendar and
information.

    One problem with this though-- it appears that the club is having
problems with the Stinger.  I'm new, so I don't know anything of the
work or commitment required for offices, particularly producing the
Stinger.  It was very good when I was getting it, but seems to be a lot
of work (hence the current problems?).

    Going along with the idea of working with the shop, I've made a
suggestion or two to the board, and perhaps those will come to
fruition.  However that depends on the shop and its space.  And
remember, I don't know if the shop can give space to one club without
giving space to all clubs -- a problem for management at the shop.

    As to a table at open-houses and the like, if the owner offers, we
should jump at the offer for increased visibility.  I know of one person
who owns an RT who says he'll be there Saturday, and he is not a member
(though I've invited him to breakfasts and outings).  When I was at the
last open house (on winterizing) is saw a number of people I've never
met -- could be they're all already members - but the woman I was
talking to for a bit was not.

    Mr. Berg's sentiment about a good club growing is appropriate and
hopefully true in our case.  But when I bough my bike, there was nothing
at the shop and the people I talked to didn't know the web-site.  It was
only because a friend knew there was a club that I sought it out.

    So, to the extent possible, Mr. Berg's suggestion should be
researched and implemented, if possible.  But let's not scrap other
ideas either.  Who knows, we might find next year's president (or
vice-president) through some new way of being "out there".

    Being new, I have no idea of the attrition rate.  If Mr. Berg is
correct and we've lost members, perhaps we can learn why.  I don't know
if the club has the ability to contact old members with a quick "survey"
(or some such thing) but perhaps it would yield great benefit to us
all.  I thank Mr. Berg for his point of view and would be willing to
work on the project of seeing if we can get feed-back from past members
(should the board approve such an act).

     Both the table, manned by willing members, and the permanent spot
at the shop, if allowed, are good ideas.  Both may get not only new
purchasers, but also those who buy used BMWs such as my friend.

    Thank you all for your input and comments.  After being a member for
almost a year, I think this is the most use of this bulletin board that
I've seen going to the club itself and sparking discussion.

David Hartwig.


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From: "Bob Mabey" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Open House Table
Date: 25 Jan 2002 17:11:07 -0700

How about doing blood pressure and cholesterol screening?  That would be a
draw for some of us older guys.  Maybe even HIV too, if there is any
interest.


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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Open House Table
Date: 25 Jan 2002 20:18:11 -0700

You worried, Bob??
<grin>

DeVern


On 25 Jan 2002 at 17:11, Bob Mabey wrote:

> How about doing blood pressure and cholesterol screening?  That would
> be a draw for some of us older guys.  Maybe even HIV too, if there is
> any interest.
>
>
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Open House Table
Date: 26 Jan 2002 10:26:38 EST

At least its nice to see some activity and dialogue on the web page again.
Crit

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From: Jeb Berg <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Open House Table
Date: 26 Jan 2002 08:43:14 -0700

I will second that!


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> Crit
>
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From: DNA <[e-mail]>
Date: 27 Jan 2002 07:42:39 -0800 (PST)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: BB: EAGAN - Park City Motorcycle Club Dinner Meeting - March 1
Date: 27 Jan 2002 18:28:37 EST

Beehive Beemers... please join us!

Utah's own Gary Eagan, an Ironbutt winner (and a Beehive Beemer), is a "one
of a kind" in the motorcycle world.  The Park City Motorcycle Club is proud
to have him as its guest speaker.  After the 2001 Ironbutt, he has a lot of
explaining to do (sorry Gary  :-)  ).  Come hear him!  He promises to bring
his long distance outfitted, factory sponsored, Duc ST4s to the meeting.  A
motorcycle evening not to be missed.

And, mark June 7th on your calandar.  Dave Edwards, Executive Editor and
Chief of Cycle World will be the club's guest speaker.

Fill out the application included in this message and send it in.

Steve Taylor
for Don Sanborn
President - Park City Motorcycle Club

Subj:    PCMC March Dinner Event
[e-mail] (Nigel Ashcroft), [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail] (Jim Barnes),
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail] (Thane M
Beckstrand), [e-mail], [e-mail] (Ken Bertran),
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]
(Mark Cohen), [e-mail] (Jim Colburn), [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail] (Laine Fuller), [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail] (Chuck
Nichols), [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail] (Joe Rush), [e-mail],
[e-mail] (Donald Sanborn), [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail] (Steve Taylor),
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]

EAGAN (Utah's Own)
Park City Motorcycle Club
Dinner Meeting
Friday, March 1, 2002.  6:30 PM
Silver King Hotel, Park City, UT
___________________________________
Clip this form to Register.

Name_________________________________________

Address_______________________________________

Tel #__________________________________________

Fax #__________________________________________

Email__________________________________________

Guest(s)_______________________________________

______________________________________________

Members:                             $25.00

Non-members and Guests:    $35.00

Membership Renewal 2002    $25.00

Total Remitted:
$___________________________

Questions please call:  435 513 3113


Mail this form, along with your check, to

Park City Motorcycle Club
P.O. Box 680791
Park City, UT  84068

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: BB: Beehive Beemers Invitation!
Date: 29 Jan 2002 02:16:48 EST

Open invitation to the members of
The Beehive Beemers
We are invited to the
OLYMPIC Opening of the
Chez Betty Restaurant's
PATIO BARBEQUE AND BEER GARDEN
Bratwurst & Sauerkraut
Barbeque Beef Sandwiches
Soft Drinks
All of the above at NO CHARGE!  FREE!
All you have to do is Show Up!
Beer Available for Purchase
Saturday, February 2nd, 2002
1637 Shortline Road
Park City, Utah
10AM To 3PM
Dress Warmly As This An Outdoor Event
RSVP  [e-mail]

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From: "Bob Mabey" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: FW: New American Motorcycle
Date: 30 Jan 2002 11:15:49 -0700




> New American Motorcycle Unveiled
>
> At a press conference late Monday, the CEO of Johnson Marine, makers of
> Johnson outboard marine engines and other recreational equipment,
> unveiled a new line of heavyweight cruiser style motorcycles designed to
> compete head to head with industry leader Harley-Davidson.
>
> Peter Long, Johnson brands marketing manager said, "We have studied the
> market and determined that Harley, while highly successful, has narrowly
> missed the mark when targeting motorcycle buyers". Long added, "We, at
> Johnson, are convinced our product hits the target dead center and
> promises to draw sales away from Harley-Davidson in a way no other
> motorcycle has been able to accomplish".
>
> The new line of bikes, marketed under the name 'Big Johnson
> Motorcycles', will, according to Long, deliver what Harley has only
> promised. "Our research show that this, a Big Johnson, is what Harley
> buyers are really after".
>
> At the unveiling of the new line Monday, several current Harley owners
> agreed. "When I bought my Harley, what  I  really needed was a Big
> Johnson", said one Harley owner." But I see now that riding a Harley is
> no replacement for having a Big Johnson."
>
> Manager Long also said that his company would follow the lead of
> Harley-Davidson and cash in on a huge market for non-motorcycle related
> products. "We realize that not every guy can have a Big Johnson", said
> Long, "But image is very important to people. If they don't have a Big
> Johnson, they at least want to project the image of having one."
>
> Asked if he anticipated Big Johnsons showing up in the hands of Harley
> owners, Long said it was unlikely. "I just don't see the need to have a
> Harley if you have a Big Johnson", he said. "And I can't imagine someone
> who spends all their resources to acquire a Harley having a Big Johnson.
> I think it boils down to this - You either have a Harley, or you have a
> Big Johnson, but you are not likely to have both. "Given the choice",
> said Long. " I think most guys will opt for the Big Johnson".
>
> Another force driving sales for the company will come from women. A
> survey of the wives and girlfriends of nearly 1,000 potential motorcycle
> buyers indicates less than 5% would approve of their partner spending
> $15,000 on a Harley Davidson. But, when asked if they would be willing
> to pay the same amount of money to get their partner a Big Johnson,
> nearly 4 out 5 thought that would be money well spent.
>
> One female present at the product unveiling was quoted as saying, "There
> is no way I will let Lonnie drop 15 grand on another one of those
> Harleys, but 15 grand to get him a Big Johnson? Well, that something we
> could both enjoy and it's something he really needs."
>
> Carla Roundheel, manager of the dealership network now being
> established, said her motto is simple. "I service what we sell." Big
> Johnson motorcycles will be traded on the stock exchange under the
> abbreviation P-ENVY.
>
> _________________________________
>
>
>
>




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From: FlyinBrian <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: FW: New American Motorcycle
Date: 31 Jan 2002 07:23:44 -0700



hmmmm, might be handy to have one of those big Johnson's, particularly if they
have an owners group with a large ladies auxiliary that
will make sure the members have plenty of opportunity to use "their Big
Johnson" at sponsored events. you could probably even get
plenty of volunteers to be  event coordinators. (skill, time events, old man's
home etc.) something to improve their proficiency using
their "Big Johnson" . what a fun group to party with. opens up a whole new
aspect in the world of motorcycling.
yes, cold winters, do, get long :)

Bob Mabey wrote:

> > New American Motorcycle Unveiled
> >
> > At a press conference late Monday, the CEO of Johnson Marine, makers of
> > Johnson outboard marine engines and other recreational equipment,
> > unveiled a new line of heavyweight cruiser style motorcycles designed to
> > compete head to head with industry leader Harley-Davidson.
> >
> > Peter Long, Johnson brands marketing manager said, "We have studied the
> > market and determined that Harley, while highly successful, has narrowly
> > missed the mark when targeting motorcycle buyers". Long added, "We, at
> > Johnson, are convinced our product hits the target dead center and
> > promises to draw sales away from Harley-Davidson in a way no other
> > motorcycle has been able to accomplish".
> >
> > The new line of bikes, marketed under the name 'Big Johnson
> > Motorcycles', will, according to Long, deliver what Harley has only
> > promised. "Our research show that this, a Big Johnson, is what Harley
> > buyers are really after".
> >
> > At the unveiling of the new line Monday, several current Harley owners
> > agreed. "When I bought my Harley, what  I  really needed was a Big
> > Johnson", said one Harley owner." But I see now that riding a Harley is
> > no replacement for having a Big Johnson."
> >
> > Manager Long also said that his company would follow the lead of
> > Harley-Davidson and cash in on a huge market for non-motorcycle related
> > products. "We realize that not every guy can have a Big Johnson", said
> > Long, "But image is very important to people. If they don't have a Big
> > Johnson, they at least want to project the image of having one."
> >
> > Asked if he anticipated Big Johnsons showing up in the hands of Harley
> > owners, Long said it was unlikely. "I just don't see the need to have a
> > Harley if you have a Big Johnson", he said. "And I can't imagine someone
> > who spends all their resources to acquire a Harley having a Big Johnson.
> > I think it boils down to this - You either have a Harley, or you have a
> > Big Johnson, but you are not likely to have both. "Given the choice",
> > said Long. " I think most guys will opt for the Big Johnson".
> >
> > Another force driving sales for the company will come from women. A
> > survey of the wives and girlfriends of nearly 1,000 potential motorcycle
> > buyers indicates less than 5% would approve of their partner spending
> > $15,000 on a Harley Davidson. But, when asked if they would be willing
> > to pay the same amount of money to get their partner a Big Johnson,
> > nearly 4 out 5 thought that would be money well spent.
> >
> > One female present at the product unveiling was quoted as saying, "There
> > is no way I will let Lonnie drop 15 grand on another one of those
> > Harleys, but 15 grand to get him a Big Johnson? Well, that something we
> > could both enjoy and it's something he really needs."
> >
> > Carla Roundheel, manager of the dealership network now being
> > established, said her motto is simple. "I service what we sell." Big
> > Johnson motorcycles will be traded on the stock exchange under the
> > abbreviation P-ENVY.
> >
> > _________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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From: FlyinBrian <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: FW: New American Motorcycle
Date: 31 Jan 2002 07:23:50 -0700



hmmmm, might be handy to have one of those big Johnson's, particularly if they
have an owners group with a large ladies auxiliary that
will make sure the members have plenty of opportunity to use "their Big
Johnson" at sponsored events. you could probably even get
plenty of volunteers to be  event coordinators. (skill, time events, old man's
home etc.) something to improve their proficiency using
their "Big Johnson" . what a fun group to party with. opens up a whole new
aspect in the world of motorcycling.
yes, cold winters, do, get long :)

Bob Mabey wrote:

> > New American Motorcycle Unveiled
> >
> > At a press conference late Monday, the CEO of Johnson Marine, makers of
> > Johnson outboard marine engines and other recreational equipment,
> > unveiled a new line of heavyweight cruiser style motorcycles designed to
> > compete head to head with industry leader Harley-Davidson.
> >
> > Peter Long, Johnson brands marketing manager said, "We have studied the
> > market and determined that Harley, while highly successful, has narrowly
> > missed the mark when targeting motorcycle buyers". Long added, "We, at
> > Johnson, are convinced our product hits the target dead center and
> > promises to draw sales away from Harley-Davidson in a way no other
> > motorcycle has been able to accomplish".
> >
> > The new line of bikes, marketed under the name 'Big Johnson
> > Motorcycles', will, according to Long, deliver what Harley has only
> > promised. "Our research show that this, a Big Johnson, is what Harley
> > buyers are really after".
> >
> > At the unveiling of the new line Monday, several current Harley owners
> > agreed. "When I bought my Harley, what  I  really needed was a Big
> > Johnson", said one Harley owner." But I see now that riding a Harley is
> > no replacement for having a Big Johnson."
> >
> > Manager Long also said that his company would follow the lead of
> > Harley-Davidson and cash in on a huge market for non-motorcycle related
> > products. "We realize that not every guy can have a Big Johnson", said
> > Long, "But image is very important to people. If they don't have a Big
> > Johnson, they at least want to project the image of having one."
> >
> > Asked if he anticipated Big Johnsons showing up in the hands of Harley
> > owners, Long said it was unlikely. "I just don't see the need to have a
> > Harley if you have a Big Johnson", he said. "And I can't imagine someone
> > who spends all their resources to acquire a Harley having a Big Johnson.
> > I think it boils down to this - You either have a Harley, or you have a
> > Big Johnson, but you are not likely to have both. "Given the choice",
> > said Long. " I think most guys will opt for the Big Johnson".
> >
> > Another force driving sales for the company will come from women. A
> > survey of the wives and girlfriends of nearly 1,000 potential motorcycle
> > buyers indicates less than 5% would approve of their partner spending
> > $15,000 on a Harley Davidson. But, when asked if they would be willing
> > to pay the same amount of money to get their partner a Big Johnson,
> > nearly 4 out 5 thought that would be money well spent.
> >
> > One female present at the product unveiling was quoted as saying, "There
> > is no way I will let Lonnie drop 15 grand on another one of those
> > Harleys, but 15 grand to get him a Big Johnson? Well, that something we
> > could both enjoy and it's something he really needs."
> >
> > Carla Roundheel, manager of the dealership network now being
> > established, said her motto is simple. "I service what we sell." Big
> > Johnson motorcycles will be traded on the stock exchange under the
> > abbreviation P-ENVY.
> >
> > _________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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