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bagpipe-digest        Monday, December 6 1999        Volume 01 : Number 209




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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 03:04:37 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Henderson's or Hardies

On Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:28:29 -0500, "JOHN MITCHELL"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>
>Jim Sabatke <[e-mail]> wrote in
>
>> construction.  In the case of Kron, both are superb (IMHO).  I can also
>> say, from firsthand experience, that Kron's service is first-rate.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Jim
>
>Hmmmm! We've seen this type of testimonial before!

You mean from happy Kron buyers. Wonder if that's because they're Kron
customers and they're happy?

>Remember when Mark Lee came on board the Kron ship and
>declared that he ws so impressed with the company, that he
>now owns six sets of Kron pipes.

You mean because he lives thousands of miles away from Kron and
doesn't or didn't know any of the company, liked the product and
actually bought at least six sets of Kron pipes?

>We were all lead down
>the garden path on that one.

You mean the path to light truth and righteousness? You mean he was
entirely truthful and in spite of your outright lying about products
you'd never seen nor heard everyone found out he was telling the
truth?

>So Jim, How long have you known Dave?

And why would that make a difference? More of this "he's on the
payroll shite?" Franky John, you're something of a pariah now in the
PPBSO and not even your closest pals back you up anymore, so why don't
you just crawl back into the bottle, tuck in your newspapers on that
park bench you live on now, put out you tin cup and try to get back on
your feet instead of trying to feck over people on long settle
propositions here?

>Would your playing guitar have any relationship
>with  Daves circle of guitar friends?

Actually Dave is a reclusive, obsessive guitar hermit and he doesn't
have any friends. Which still gives him more than you have.

>Just wondering

Shut up and play. Something you at least until recently could still do
well.

Royce

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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 18:43:53 -0800
From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ebony vs Blackwood vs Crocus

Ccc31807 wrote:
>
> Just a question about old pipes - Weren't pipes formally made of woods
> like oak, boxwood, maple, and other hard woods? If so, are these other
> woods so inadequate that none are used today? And how do they compare
> with the tropical woods that are used presently?
>
> Also, what are the particular qualities of rosewood that bring it into
> such disrepute among pipers? Is it because that rosewood pipes are
> mostly Pakistani in origin? And is it possible to make a good stand of
> pipes out of rosewood?
>
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A friend of mine that is in the Ismaili Hunza Pipe Band in Karachi
Pakistan has an old set of Hendersons that were made of Oak.  From what
he tells me they are great pipes, no cracks, and full ivory mounts.

I was going to get a set of Highland pipes made of Boxwood, but for
competition, I dont know how much of a tonal differance their would be,
it will be odd enough that the drone tops will be shaped as thistles.

I also have a practice chanter that is sheesham wood.  It actually is a
nice chanter that cost me about $4.00 from a maker.  He said he ages his
wood 8-10 years, and Ebony and Blackwood 10-15 years.  But the Sheesham
wood, is very tight grained, and very dark.  I guess it gets better if
its aged properly.
I am not too fond of the white plastic mounts that he put on it, but I
can live with it.
I have yet to try to ask any makers to make a set of pipes out of decent
Sheesham wood.  They are copying a set of my pipes, but I just havent
gotton around to doing it yet.  I can get the wood for making the pipes,
that would be dirt cheep.  If anyone is intrested in trying to turn it
let me know.
Now let me step in to my flame proof suit.
Mike

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Date: 06 Dec 1999 08:41:24 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Henderson's or Hardies

>Actually Dave is a reclusive, obsessive guitar hermit and he doesn't
>have any friends.

I think the lynch mobs you must fight your way past to get to his shop are
testimonial  enough to that (but the torches make finding your way easier at
night). I keep telling him to get those bolts removed from his neck so he'll be
more "socially acceptable", but he just won't listen...
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: 06 Dec 1999 09:00:26 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Maintain:the Right way

>If
>you don't do it... don't speek with any authority... you have no ground
>to stand on.

Well I don't oil upon advice from the people who made my pipes. If he
recommended it, I would. But I'm not saying this applies to older sets, only to
my modern set. I would think the fact that most of the pipers I know don't oil
ever, and don't have any cracks or problems speaks for its self. I just found
your comments and the frequency with which you do it quite interesting. I
wasn't questioning your motives or opinion.
Bill
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Date: 06 Dec 1999 08:52:46 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Oiling Pipes

>I guess 28 years of experience isn't enough, eh.

It's not really relevant, but I bow to you greater experience. That question
was kicking around in the back of my head though...since you don't sign your
posts, we had no way of knowing this.
I just never heard of anyone oiling so frequently.
Do you play modern or old stands? That seems the most relevant question
regarding oiling.

>I don't claim to know everything... just pointing out what the rest of
>the instrument world knows about maintaining wooden instruments.
>


I don't see much relevance in clarinets or other instruments just because
they're made of the same wood. Certainly there's far more going on when blowing
all your air through one cylinder, than there is passing it through a water
trap, or kitty litter (as in some) and then through the bag before it hits your
drones. Or maybe not... I'm asking, not being a smart ass.
Bill
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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 09:23:47 GMT
From: Bill Carr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: More pipes on Ebay

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML>
<BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF">
People must go a bit crazy when they start bidding on Ebay. The final price
came to $220 for 2 tenor drones, a unknown pipe chanter, a pipe case and
a bit of other junk is pretty excessive.
<P>I thought the mounts on the drone parts might be Ivory but, according
to the seller,  they were just plastic.
<P>Bill Carr
<P>Tim Sullivan wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE><STYLE></STYLE>
<FONT SIZE=-1>
You're right.  Three tenor tops, two tenor bottoms, two chanters,
two blowpipes.  Stocks???  Bass drone??</FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">Hunter
Schappaugh <<A HREF="mailto:[e-mail]">[e-mail]</A>> wrote
in message <A HREF="news:[e-mail]">news:[e-mail]</A>...Has
anyone seen these pipes??  Is is just me, or does this not seem to
be a complete set?
<BR>
<P><A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=209821475">http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=209821475</A>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<P>Hunter</BLOCKQUOTE>
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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 07:41:52 -0500
From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Henderson's or Hardies

On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 11:54:24 -0500, madman <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>JOHN MITCHELL wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hmmmm! We've seen this type of testimonial before!
>Yes..I have a LOT of very,very,pleased customers.
>
>
>>
>> Remember when Mark Lee came on board the Kron ship and
>> declared that he ws so impressed with the company, that he
>> now owns six sets of Kron pipes. We were all lead down
>> the garden path on that one.
>Actually ,Mark said he owned 4 sets...and he did own four.
>I believe he sold one set and now he's down to three.
>Don't take my word for it,ask Chris Hamilton who has *actually*
>been to his home.

Yup, I've been there, I've seen the goodies.

>And yes,Mark paid retail..actually he paid more than retail as he's
>always sending me
>exotic woods to turn into bagpipes....again,ask Mr. Hamilton,
>who has seen his VAST collection of drones/chanters made of exotic
>hardwoods.

Snakewood, cocabola, etc. etc. phenolic etc.

Cool stuff.

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Hamilton -- [e-mail]
City of Washington Pipe Band
http://toneczar.freeservers.com/

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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:46:02 -0000
From: "Peter Anderson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: London pipe bands?

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Peter Anderson
chris schyma <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:82dnm2$q1f$[e-mail]...
> Does anyone know of any pipe bands situated in London, England?
> Any information would help.
>
> Thanks
> Chris Schyma
>
>


Central London is a bit sparse the only one I know about is The London
Scottish (this is an army unit but you can just join the band)
North East London is The Waltham Forest P/B
South East - Dartford & District
North West & West is the Pride of Murray
South West - Surrey Pipe Band (mine)
There are a few more when you get out of the M25 boundary

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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:41:40 -0000
From: "Peter Anderson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: REVIEW: Mark Lee's Rocket's (drone reeds)

Where can I order some from?



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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 15:05:26 GMT
From: Brian Counihan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Henderson's or Hardies

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Bagpiip) wrote:

>
> You don't really want an answer, now do you?
> Bill

  Actually, yes I do! Dave makes a sweeping statement about how all post
WWII pipes aren't worth a dime. With his being a pipemaker and after
seeing all the posts ad infinitum on how great Kron pipes are (I'm not
argueing the quality of Krons here), I'd like to have him explain his
statement. Is that to much to ask?

Dave posts many times on his superb qualities as a pipemaker.
Dave posts many times on the superb qualities of the product he
produces.
Dave makes sweeping statement condemnming all post WWII pipes.
Dave MAKES post WWII pipes! (be hard to do otherwise).
Dave paints himself into a corner (we knew it would have to happen
sometime).
Dave hasn't given us a serious explanation yet.

Well Dave, I'm waiting. I'm really interested in your answer.

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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 15:10:09 GMT
From: Brian Counihan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Henderson's or Hardies

Jim,

  You've missed the point. I'm not debating the quality of his pipes.
I'm pointing out the inrony of his statement. All post WWII pipes suck.
He MAKES post WWII pipes (again, duh).

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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 15:16:30 GMT
From: Brian Counihan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Henderson's or Hardies

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:
> > Be quiet newbie, let dave answer the question.
>
> Brian, Dale Carnegie's got a book that would do you a lot of good.
>
> Zu
>

 Now, Now, Zu,

  You know my past posts have not been mean spirited. That facts are he
is a newbie and doesn't know squat about a classic pipe and is a huge
madman/kron/lerwick defender.

  The only person I want to hear an answer from is Dave. And not some
sarcastic filled hyperbole either. It was a serious question that
deserves a serious answer. Short and sweet, no bullshit involved.

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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 15:32:14 GMT
From: Bill Carr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Drone Cords

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
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<BR>Does anyone have a set of dark red, maroon or black drone cords they
want to sell?
<BR>
<P>Bill Carr
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Date: 06 Dec 1999 14:40:54 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: More pipes on Ebay

>People must go a bit crazy when they start bidding on Ebay.

That's been my contention right along. Things that are worthless sell for top
dollar because people get caught up in the "I'll bid more for it, and I win",
even though they loose.
I'm sure a shrink could explain why this is.
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
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ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 10:34:34 -0500
From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Maintain:the Right way

ferraridrones wrote:

> My point obviously overlooked... every other instrumentalist that has
> an instrument made of AB, Ebony, Rosewood, etc; oils theirs every week.
> We could learn a lot from them.
> snip: Zu, syaing oce a week is too much

You are overlooking that in the instruments you mention- oboe, bassoon,
clarinet, ther is nothing  but the reed between the players  breath (or drool,
for that matter) and the bore  of the instrument.  No bag, no blowpipe, no
water trap.. In all of these other woodwind s, the reed is in direct contatct
with the mouth, so the reeds have to be designed to play wet-  consequently the
interior of said wet-blown instruments would in general, be wetter than the
ibores of GHBs played moderately dry. Also overlooked is that for the most
part, clarinettists and oboeistst do not geme=nerally play their finest
grenadilla (AB to us pipers) outdoiors in nasty weather. ( There have been
plastic obes and clarinets for much longer than plastic GHB's).

So on the one hand, you have more direct moisture  in the bores and certainly
on the reeds, but lin most cases less temperature/humidity differential between
the internal (breath -driven air and the external environment. ) . From my
perspective, I would say that wooden pipes  (not resin-impregnated wood) should
be oiled periodically- maybe every couplke of months or so depending on how
often their played and the stability of the climate in which they are to be
played.    I oil mine in the Autumn, early Winter and early Spring. I will also
oil the pipes a few days befpre a scheduled out-doors gig in the cooler months.
My pipes are 20 yrears old and have no cracks at all. Mybe they'd  be that way
with no  oiling over the years, but I know some of my foprmer band mats got the
same model  I did ( G&M BP2) at the same time (1979) and had drones neatly
wrapped in shiny black electricians' tape within  a few years.   I'll stick
with the oil regime- it works for me in Boston.- not your most climactically
stable location , I'm sure.



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>
> If you think once a week is too much, at least do it once a month. If
> you don't do it... don't speek with any authority... you have no ground
> to stand on.
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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 10:41:10 -0500
From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: You've got to see this pipe!

Sorry, Paul, but That tea-chucking thing is a Boston perogative.  What variet would you
like me to dump for you ? (I'm sipping a Lapsang Souchong right now- it's the closest I can
get to the bouquet of a fine Islay malt at the office)  Something in a black, perhaps?
Green? We can arange a lovely Herbal if you're of the caffeine - just let me know...
_Bob C from  rebel Braintree- home of John Adams, John J Hancock., and the Sacco-Vanzetti
hold-up

Paul Gretton wrote:

> Stuart Hall wrote:
> >
> > You know, that reminds me of something.  Anybody who has a set of the
> > big Encyclopaedia Britannica, look up bagpipes.  In the edition I have,
> > the pipes are set up with the chanter in the blowpipe stock, and the
> > blowpipe in the chanter stock.
> >
> > In Encyclopaedia BRITANNICA of all places.  Must be an English conspiracy.
> >
> >
> >
> > Stuart
>
> Errrmmm... 'scuse me, but the Encycl. Brit. is basically SCOTTISH, which I suppose makes
> the mistake worse. One of the great products of the Scottish Enlightenment, it was first
> published in Edinburgh in 1768 and continued to be published there until 1901, since
> when it's been an AMERICAN publication --the head office is in Chicago. Not "English" at
> all.
>
> Go back to chucking tea overboard, matey.
>
> ;-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul Gretton
>
> *****Present mirth hath present laughter.(Twelfth Night)*****


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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 08:02:38 -0800
From: "Iain Sherwood" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: repair work

get yourself a lathe, a milling machine, templates, drills, reamers, a
boring tailstock setup, ruin about 100 sets of pipes through
ignorance...oops, wrong guy.

Learn to be a machinist first - that helps. About two years of intensive
training will help, OR got to work as an apprentice bagpipe maker. There are
some openings in Scotland....

IS
"Firdude391" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> I am interested on learning how to repair bagpipes.Is there anyone who
does
> this work who could help me .



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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 11:05:58 -0500
From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pre 1600 music/tunes

Iain Sherwood wrote:

> the only 'documented' tunes from that period ARE piobaireachd. There are no
> tunes played today that can be 'documented' as pre-1600 other than certain
> piobaireachds - and very few piobaireachds can be 'guaranteed' to be before
> 1600. Tunes like 'Scots Wha Hae' may be old, but no one can be certain of
> their exact date of composition. Many pieces had lyrics added - often
> several times in different generations - and since there are few if any
> written records of pipe music before 1760, you'll be hard put to find
> anything authentic before 1600.

Scots Wha Hae, of course, is one of those tunes with lyrics added on later-
Burns wrote  his "Bruce's Address" to a then- currently popular fiddle dance
tune- Hey Tuttie Tattie.
We can say for sure that the  tune was pre-1800, but not for sure pre-1600



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Date: 6 DEC 99 16:45:13 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) RE: pre 1600 music/tunes

In a previous article, Bob Cameron <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
>Iain Sherwood wrote:
>
>> the only 'documented' tunes from that period ARE piobaireachd. There are no
>> tunes played today that can be 'documented' as pre-1600 other than certain
>> piobaireachds - and very few piobaireachds can be 'guaranteed' to be before
>> 1600. Tunes like 'Scots Wha Hae' may be old, but no one can be certain of
>> their exact date of composition. Many pieces had lyrics added - often
>> several times in different generations - and since there are few if any
>> written records of pipe music before 1760, you'll be hard put to find
>> anything authentic before 1600.
>
>Scots Wha Hae, of course, is one of those tunes with lyrics added on later-
>Burns wrote  his "Bruce's Address" to a then- currently popular fiddle dance
>tune- Hey Tuttie Tattie.
>We can say for sure that the  tune was pre-1800, but not for sure pre-1600
>
>
   We can also say that it ranks *below* AG as a pipe tune ( which
almost puts it off scale).
chris


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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 11:40:12 -0500
From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: reeds

Patty ( or was it Terry?) wrote:

> I bought a set of bagpipes through the mail.  I play the flute and
> piccolo. I have no problem with
> the music only with the chanter reed. Can some one help me get a plastic
> reed?  Maybe this
> will solve my problem. Any one have any pointers?
> Thanks.....Terry

Terry, Plastic reeds for pipe chanters are a bad idea in general. Worse yet
is the idea that as a musician you can teach yourself to play the pipes.
If that sounds a bit harsh, let me soften that by statingthat when I took
up the pipes, I had already been a professional musicin for about ten
years, had a degree in Music (music Ed major) and was an instrumental music
instructor.
First,  Let us know what type of pipes you have and where you're located-
we may be able to steer you to  a competent piping instructor and a source
for easy reeds to get you started.
If you cannot find an instructor where you're located, then you should at
the very least arrange to touch base with an experienced, knowledgeable
piper who can give you some pointers and watch for  bad habits developing.

Imagine for a moment that somewhere a bagpiper is contemplating taking up
the flute, and will be teaching himself from, say the Belwin Band builder.
In order to get around the embouchure thing (which he sees as his only
proiblem, BTW_ after all he already reads music) he's looking for an add-on
plastic fipple- tube....
If this scenario scares you , then you'll understand why we suggest you
take another route:
Learn on a practice chanter first- from a competent instructor. Then move
onto the pipes gradually- chanter alone first, then chanter and one drone,
then add another done , once you can handle the chanter and one drone
steadily,.and so on .

On the flute, you bloe a very small -volume airstream against practically
no resistance. On the pipes, you will need to blow a much higher-volume
airstream aginst reeds which offer a good deal of resitsance.  Beuyond the
different physical demands , you'll also have to forget all you have
learned about dynamics and articulation. All articulation on the pipes  and
all accenting is accomplished in the use of ornamentaiton- grace notes,
doublings, gripps, taorluaths, etc., the proper implementation of which is
not something that can be self-taught, IMHO.

Let us know how we can help you get started on the right path.



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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 12:02:18 -0500
From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Question

Other Funeral tunes: Lochaber No More, Going Home, Oft In The Stilly Night
(Irish),  Chi Mi na Mor-Bheanna (Mist Covered Mountains).  Various Hymns
also appropriate.
Weddings-  Do you mean at the church service or ath the reception- to
different types of celebrastion, two different bodies of tunes.   It's a
good idea to find out what sort of ceremony - some churches have
particulalr requirements for music during the service- Hymns such as The
King of Love My Sheperd Is " are always "liturgically approprioate"  for
most Christian services.  I would not suggest "Clumsy Lover " as a
processional in a Catholic Mass, for example.   I generally play slow airs
and waltzes withaan occasional jig or hornpipe mixxed in before the
service, livelier tunes after the service.

Other Processionals:, not necessarily Litug. Approp.:
Rose of Kelvin Grove, Highland Cathedral, Believe Me If  All Those
Endearing Young Charms, Cailin Mo Run-sa, -I've also had requests for, and
playued:
 Skye Boat Song, Fear a Bhata, Loch Tay Boat Song- hmm what  is it with
weddings and boats? Mairi's wedding,  and a couple of my own tunes by
request.

For recessionals, which are played after the service ends, technically, so
even in a very liturgically-oriented church, there's a lot of leeway here-
Usually livelier y tunes- bright 2/4 or 6/8 marches work well;
 Mairi's Wedding- can be followed by any number of marches in segue as the
guests are going through the receiving line.
 My own preference is to 6/8's  going out- sweet Maid Of Mull works fine,
or I often play a set of my own , starting with one I wrote for a wedding a
few years ago- in any case, I segue right intop a whole string of them
while the receiving line ifs forming and progressing.

At the wedding reception, pretty much anything goes, but most groups will
not appreciate  piobareachd or  laments ;-)

Chris Simon wrote:

> Thanks alot,
>
> On Sat, 04 Dec 1999 10:05:35 +0100, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >Funerals: Laments - e.g. Flowers of the Forest (also at Burn's immortal
> >memory). Amazing Grace very slow, I've also heard Highland Cathedral
> >played.
> >Weddings: Amazing grace (strangely enough), Mairies Wedding, Brown
> >Haired Maiden, A Man's a Man if you want to stir it, any sort of
> >singalong music the audience might associate with.
> >Parties: Whatever they want to hear. jigs and reels to get em up and
> >dancing!
> >Bill
> >
> >Chris Simon wrote:
> >
> >> What songs are good to play for funerals, weddings and juat normal
> >> party's?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Chris
> >


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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 17:15:42 GMT
From: aberdeen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Henderson's or Hardies

In article <ILH14.47226$[e-mail]>,
  "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I restore/refurbish perhaps a dozen or more sets of pipes each year.
Over
> the last 30 years I've overhauled scores of pipes.  This doesn't
qualify me
> as an expert, however I generally know enough to get by.  I am both
> astounded and confounded by some of what I see.

Good historical perspective, Ringo.  I'm curious as to when in the
history of bagpipe making metal ferrules began to be added.  Very old
sets used bone or other material, and I've seen some later ones, ca.
1850s or 1860s, which have silver ferrules on them.  But I don't really
know when the nickel silver ferrules began to be used, or who was the
first to do so.  It also brings up the question as to what purpose they
saw the ferrules serving (not an easy question to answer without a fair
amount of conjecture).
With your experience in refurbishing older pipes, I was curious as to
how many sets you have personally seen with threaded metal fittings,
including nickel silver ferrules, on them.

All the best,
Jim
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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 12:18:12 -0500
From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: More pipes on Ebay

A classic Pyrrhic victory...
No, not a kit- perhaps vestiges of two cast off sets of pipes- two tenor drones
and an extra top, two chanters (look to be in defferent keys- different size,
eh?  two blowpipes, two bags of archaeological-interst only quality... God help
the person who's buying thse to learn on...

Bagpiip wrote:

> >People must go a bit crazy when they start bidding on Ebay.
>
> That's been my contention right along. Things that are worthless sell for top
> dollar because people get caught up in the "I'll bid more for it, and I win",
> even though they loose.
> I'm sure a shrink could explain why this is.
> Bill
> Mar a bha, mar a tha,
> mar a bhitheas gu brath,
> ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: 06 Dec 1999 17:51:09 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Oiling Pipes

>I would agree that we can learn from players of other instruments, but in
>this case
>other woodwind instruments are not directly comparable. For one thing, they
>get wet
>to a significant extent because of spittle rather than because of
>condensation
>(essentially distilled water).

Too bad Pauls filtered me out, if he knew I'd said essentially the same thing
just before him he'd never show his face here again! LOL
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: 06 Dec 1999 17:57:29 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: More pipes on Ebay

>I don't know, guys. Where else can you buy a set of BW pipes for $600.
>Certainly not at any of the pipe shops online.

In one of several classifieds such as "bagpiper.com" or bill Carrs website. For
300$ more you could buy new and avoid all the potential pitfalls of buying
someone elses headaches. Most of the 600$ pipes I've seen on Ebay were worth
200$, but only fetched more because of the "feeding frenzy" that goes on there.
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: 06 Dec 1999 18:05:56 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Henderson's or Hardies

>You know my past posts have not been mean spirited.

True, and my comment regarding Brians ability to read puts me in need of Dales
book myself.
Sorry Brian.

Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 14:27:32 -0500
From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: You've got to see this pipe!

Paul Gretton wrote:BTW, Bob, I'm REALLY REALLY sorry you have to stick to tea at the office. It
must be so  hard!

>
> On Friday afternoons at my "office", (the translation and interpreting faculty at
> Hogeschool Maastricht --a truly cosmopolitan collection of weirdos)

Throw  "immensely talented " into your description and you could be talking abourt where I work-
Berklee College of Music.   Sounds like you have certain , ahhhh Fringe benfits which sjhould be
considered  for our adoption as well.


> we have introduced
> the tradition of "International Drink of the Week". When it's my turn, I can usually
> come up with an unusual malt, courtesy of a splendid local shop which I'm sure has
> secret agents in most of the distilleries in Scotland.

I don't think we'll adopt that particular custom here- I'm afraid one of us might become the
International Drunk of the Week- and I would hate for that to be on MY turn.


> The Spanish department provide
> various Central American and Cuban rums. The French ladies provide wine, the Italian
> department grappa, the Portuguese chap port, the Germans beer and schnapps, the Russians
> real vodka (which everybody is sure they make themselves in the basement), the Cloggies
> gin, the Japanese sake, and the Chinese something so TRULY, TRULY potent that we've all
> become extremely deferential to them recently. It puts a whole new slant on "Thank God
> it's Friday", I can tell you.
>
> Cheers,

and I see you use that salutation advisedly;-)

>
>
> Paul Gretton
>
> *****Present mirth hath present laughter.(Twelfth Night)*****

aye, but to much present mirth hath future headache...
(thirteenth night)



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Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 14:33:48 -0500
From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Best Music Software

Best in what way? most versatile? cross platform? Best midi-capable?
Easy -to use? best print-outs?

[e-mail] wrote:

> I'd like to know what the best bagpipe music software is?
> Piob Mohr?  BMW?  Something else?
>
> WJ
>
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