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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 19:05:37 GMT
From: John and/or Lori Gaudet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: hearing loss + MORE

Piper's Lung does indeed exist.......I had one young boy in our band, that
was given a slightly used hide bag for his bagpipes when he started.....and
developed a severe fungal lung infection; had to be flown to our regional
children's hospital as an emergency......they wanted the bag to see what was
growing in it........They found over 200 different bacteria, spores, fungii
etc
We switched the whole pipe section to Ross Bags soon after that......
Bagpipe playing is very unhygenic!! any chance you can give yourself to
improve this situation will help!
Cheers, Lori

Mike wrote:

> Hi
> on the subject of illnesses affecting pipers, many years ago I heard of
> a disease known as 'pipers lung' - it was caused by all the crap/mildew
> etc. that accumulated in the bag......but as yet I have been unable to
> find any more infor on the subject......I suppose canmore bags etc. have
> begun to eliminate the problem, if it ever existed at all......anyone
> else ever heard of it??
>
> mike


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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:15:05 -0800
From: "Iain Sherwood" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Henderson's or Hardies

I stand correctred on the dates. From the pattern, condition, and letters,
they're Hendersons, as I said before, along with Ringo.

The mounts are consistant with casein - based 'plastic' used until the
sixties, rather than the resin found on later pipes. 'White Bakelite' was
used by Robertson in the twenties, is  toxic and cracks. Originally a soft
composition, with age it becomes both brittle and chalky, rubbing off and
flaking.

IS
"Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:ATd14.101934$[e-mail]...
> The picture is not the best, so we will have to take the buyer's word and
> best information that they are Henderson drones.  The material (projecting
> mounts) appears to be consistent with those seen on pipes from that era
> (1950's).
>
> My information on imitation ivory... (taken from an undated handbook
> published by James Robertson, Bagpipe and Reed Manufacturer - my only clue
> to the date is that it advertises a new "set of bagpipes below pre-war
> prices" which then begs the question "which war?" -  however from the
> vernacular used and other subtle clues, my guess is WWI.)
>
> Anyway, it refers to a material called Celluloid..."Originally Celluloid
was
> used.  Supplies were none too good and the danger from fire in working,
and
> in the finished article getting near the fire or a naked flame caused
users
> to look round for something safer.  This firm now uses a very fine
> composition which is non-inflamable.  It is a milk residue, very hard and
> tough, has a fine creamy colour, and polishes beautifully."
>
> I believe that the Celluloid that he speaks of appears on many early
1900's
> (post WWI) drones, especially those manufactured by Lawrie.  It is highly
> toxic and flammable.  It has an appearance somewhere between white
Vaseline
> and very pale yellow.
>
> The "composition" that Robertson speaks of...again from the book...
> "Imitation Ivory - This is a manufactured product, and, as the
illustration
> shows, has no structure which resembles either vegetable or animal
> tissue.... It is prepared from casein, a protein of milk, to which is
added
> various earthy materials and then submitted to a drying process under
great
> pressure.  ...very hard and tough, has a fine creamy colour, and polishes
> beautifully"
>
> I believe that this may be the material called "Bakelite".  Jack Dunbar
> tells me that this first appeared sometime after WWI.  I've only seen
> Henderson and Robertson pipes using this stuff, however it may appear on
> other pipes of that era.  It is pleasant to work with, turning nicely
> without any odor.  Over the years it turns gray and becomes somewhat
> brittle.
>
> Other "imitation" materials followed, which are generally referred to as
> "yellow plastic" however they probably have a range of names more
reflective
> of their actual properties.  They are white during production, however the
> surface turns color over the years as a result of either oxidation or
> ultra-violet light.  The earlier products turned a burnt-orange color,
where
> more recent products turn light yellow.  Some (if not all) materials used
> today retain their original color.
>
> My best information.... Peter Henderson died in 1902 at the age of 51,
> unmarried.  Brother Donald became involved in the business, however John
> MacDougall Gillies was manager of the shop from about 1905 until 1925.
> Archie Mcphedran was manager until 1952 (Jack Dunbar was a turner in the
> shop during these years) and was succeeded by Albert Sheath until 1956,
> followed by Bob McCreath until 1960, and finally by Greig Sharp until
1971,
> when they ceased making bagpipes altogether.  Lawrie is said to have
> supplied Henderson with bagpipes until 1973, when the Henderson family
sold
> the business to R.G. Hardie and Co.
>
> The style and dimensions of the Henderson bagpipe changed throughout the
> years (no small wonder when you consider the changes in managers over the
> years).  Generally speaking, they managed to retain that for which they
were
> know and prized... robust rich sound, easy to reed, and very steady.  It
is
> possible to find "Henderson" drones that do not have these qualities.
>
> To be sure, some of the best Henderson drones were made in the middle and
> late 1960's, during Greig Sharp's tenure as manager.  They are distinctive
> in
> style, sound, and performance.  Bob MacCrimmon (ex-Clan MacFarlane now
NRP)
> has a superb silver and ivory set made from this era.  My brother, Will,
> also owns a full ivory set, equally "superior".
>
> It is highly doubtful that Hardie had any influence over, or claim to,
> Henderson drones prior to 1971.  Hope this helps.
>
> Ringo
>
>
> Todd <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> news:8226pa$oll$[e-mail]...
> > At what point did Henderson become Hardie?
> >
> > Check out:
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=206511157
> >
> > Hmmmnnn  -- 1950s.  Are they Hendy's or Hardies
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>



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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 19:02:03 GMT
From: John and/or Lori Gaudet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: hearing loss

I'd be interested in reading his article again Andrew! I've been toying with the
idea of having my hearing tested because in the last year or so I have found a
significant increase in trouble sifting out "background noise" to hear what is
going on right in front of me.....ie: beer tent........;-))
Lori

Andrew Berthoff wrote:

> The Piper & Drummer magazine published a piece on hearing loss four years
> before that. It was by Dr. Patrick Potter, a piper and leading specialist on
> physical problems affecting pipers and drummers.
>
> We can post the article on the Piper & Drummer site if folks are interested.
>
> We have also published other pieces from him on overuse syndrome and
> dystonia in pipers.
>
> On that note, check out today's Online Poll at www.PiperAndDrummer.com.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andrew Berthoff
> Toronto, Canada
>
> EdASmith <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> news:[e-mail]...
> > Try to get a copy of the Summer 1999 Voice from the EUSPBA
> > <http://www.serve.com/Voice/euspba/>.  James R. Bousquet did an excellent
> > article on this subject.  Perhaps Paula Glendenning could get his
> permission to
> > make this article available on the EUSPBA Voice web page permanently.
> >
> > The up-shot (to me, anyway) seems to be that ear plugs are a must when
> playing
> > indoors with a band, and a "REALLY good idea" when playing by yourself
> indoors.
> >  Definitely go for the carpeted room whenever practicing for more than an
> hour,
> > and practice outside as often as possible.  (pretty difficult here in
> Michigan
> > beginning this time of the year).
> >
> > Edward Smith


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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 12:12:45 -0500
From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: GHB / Smallpipes / Hearing Loss -- Just confused!

Randy-save your dough and your ears to begin with, and start with a practice
chanter.  Fingering, theory and sheet music are the same for GHB, Scottish
Smallpipes and Border/Lowland/Reelpipes.  The practice chanter is the starting
point for all of the above.
The border/Lowland/Reel pipes have a conical-bore chanter, and so sound more
like GHB, but not as loud. Some are louder than others , though. While your
getting your fingers together on the PC, that will give you time tom listen
and learn about the various alternative pipesthat use the same fingering
system as the GHB.
 One more bit of advise: try before you buy!  I bought a set of pipes last
yearwhich were not at all up to expectations.Months and a chunk of change
later they're playable at least.

If at all possible, get away to a smallpiping weekend like the North Hero
pipers' reunion where you can see, hear, try all sorts of pipes, speak to
pipers and pipemakers. there are always pipes for sale or trade at a gathering
like that

Matt Buckley wrote:

> Randy Kirby <[e-mail]> wrote in article
> <[e-mail]>...
> > I'm interested in learning to play the bagpipes.
>
> > The question is then GHBs, smallpipes, border pipes,
> > fireside pipes or what? I want the sound of GHBs, but don't > need the
> volume and resulting hearing loss and possible > divorce.
>
> > Any suggestions?
>
> Randy-
>
> If you want the sound of GHB, but quieter, your only choice is borderpipes.
>  Smallpipes and fireside pipes have a different sound altogether.  Careful,
> though, about the sound of borderpipes - each maker produces a greatly
> varying sound, i.e. all borderpipes do not sound alike.  Contact me if you
> want detailed info. about borderpipe makers/sounds.  For
> example, John Swayne and Hamish Moore each make
> extraordinary sets of borderpipes, but with amazingly different
> sounds.
>
> One other idea:  I have a set of Highland pipes in the key A made by Hamish
> Moore.  They have a softer, more ancient sound, and are somewhat quieter
> than Bb Highland pipes, though still loud compared to borderpipes,
> smallpipes, fireside pipes, etc.  I obtained a set to be able to play at
> pubs, dances,
> etc. indoors and with other musicians.
>
> Cheers.  Matt


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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 16:51:24 -0400
From: Doug Campbell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Henderson's or Hardies

Ron Bowen wrote:

> In my opinion, some of Dave's assertions are not defendable and should not
> be taken as gospel.  His spelling and grammar sucks on occasion too.  This

You meant, of course, that his spelling and grammar <suck> on occasion.


Doug C.


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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 21:32:04 GMT
From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Henderson's or Hardies

O.K. so....???

Casein... the white chalky stuff that is good to work with that turns gray
and brittle over the years.  Pre WWII
Celluloid... toxic pale yellow stuff.  Mostly used by Lawrie.  Does not turn
dark.  Pre WWII
Bakelite or Catalin... toxic "family" of plastics used from middle 1940's
on.  Turns bright yellow to dark orange.

How're we looking now?

madman <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Ron Bowen wrote:
> >
> >
> > The "composition" that Robertson speaks of...again from the book...
> > "Imitation Ivory - This is a manufactured product, and, as the
illustration
> > shows, has no structure which resembles either vegetable or animal
> > tissue.... It is prepared from casein, a protein of milk, to which is
added
> > various earthy materials and then submitted to a drying process under
great
> > pressure.  ...very hard and tough, has a fine creamy colour, and
polishes
> > beautifully"
> >
> > I believe that this may be the material called "Bakelite".  Jack Dunbar
> > tells me that this first appeared sometime after WWI.  I've only seen
> > Henderson and Robertson pipes using this stuff, however it may appear on
> > other pipes of that era.  It is pleasant to work with, turning nicely
> > without any odor.  Over the years it turns gray and becomes somewhat
> > brittle.
> Nope....
> Bakelite IS Catalin.
> Both are chemically related to phenol resin.
> It IS NOT pleasant to work with.
> It will *literally* make your eyes tear and hurts the throat when you
> breathe in the dust/vapors.
> OTOH...CASEIN *is* pleasant to work with.
> You've got it backwards.
> When you come down to the shop in January,I'll show you the two
> different materials,
> and I'll let you get a good inhalation of the catalin..that oughtta take
> care of
> any doubts you may have.
> >
> > Other "imitation" materials followed, which are generally referred to as
> > "yellow plastic" however they probably have a range of names more
reflective
> > of their actual properties.  They are white during production, however
the
> > surface turns color over the years as a result of either oxidation or
> > ultra-violet light.  The earlier products turned a burnt-orange color,
where
> > more recent products turn light yellow.
>
> Now you're talking about Catalin...which STILL  turns that ugly burnt
> orange color.
> ...It just takes 30 years to do so naturally.
> To circumvent the time frame.....I drop a freshly turned mount in a
> closed container w/ some bleach....and voila...instant
> oxidation/age...(for repairs only).
> UV light will break down/decompose catalin but will not hasten its
> coloring to that orangish hue.
> As a point of interest ...phenolics react to oxygen the same way catalin
> does.
> (they are chemically similar)
> A few months back,I shipped out an original phenolic chanter prototype
> and it got
> lost in the mail and a month later was returned.
> Originally the chanter was a light orange color...when it came back it
> was brownish/
> burgundy..and it never saw the light of day in a box......



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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 21:39:27 GMT
From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Henderson's or Hardies

In my opinion, some of Dave's assertions are not defendable and should not
be taken as gospel.  His spelling and grammar sucks on occasion too.  This
may detract from, however does not diminish, his substantial technical
knowledge on other matters.

Keeping my tongue firmly planted in my cheek
Ringo


Matt Buckley <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:01bf3c1a$1c057840$eb025bd1@default...
>
>
> madman <[e-mail]> wrote in article
> > The pipes in that picture are most likely Hardie-Hendersons.
> > Out here on the East coast those things are a dime a dozen,and worth
> > just slightly more.
> > Either  way,*most* pipes form the post WW 2 era are complete > shite
>
> Maybe so, but when in September I sold my Hardies I held onto the @1965
> chanter.  Countless pipers have commented on the lovely sound of the
> chanter, and I've been offered quite a bit to part with it. No way.
>
> Matt



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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 13:59:27 -0900
From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Glenie

Any one have any experience with the Glennie pipe bag?

I seem to remember Chris Hamilton saying that he bought one...that
right, Chris?  If so, what's the scoop?

Thanks,

Michael


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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 21:37:26 GMT
From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions

In article <823hbm$hef$[e-mail]>,
  aberdeen <[e-mail]> wrote:


...Again, just my humble opinion.
>
> All the best,
> Jim

Thanks for your insight, Jim.

Pat


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 23:21:27 GMT
From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Henderson's or Hardies

I meant his "spelling and grammar" sucks.  ;?) Tongue still firmly planted.
Have a good one.
Ringo
Doug Campbell <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
>
>
> Ron Bowen wrote:
>
> > In my opinion, some of Dave's assertions are not defendable and should
not
> > be taken as gospel.  His spelling and grammar sucks on occasion too.
This
>
> You meant, of course, that his spelling and grammar <suck> on occasion.
>
>
> Doug C.
>



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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 23:52:39 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Peel Regional police and John Mitchell (off topic humor)

On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:28:24 GMT, The Mann <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>
>>
>> It still gets plenty of use there Royce.....
>
>I dont think "self-abuse" counts... How do you type so well one handed?

I heard he didn't *have* any hands.

Royce

(He rang the bell didn't he....?)

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Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 00:06:41 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Henderson's or Hardies

On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 23:21:27 GMT, "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>I meant his "spelling and grammar" sucks.  ;?) Tongue still firmly planted.

All this reference to "suck," "sucks," what cheek is our tongue firmly
planted in? How do you get it back there that far?

Royce

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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 20:21:54 -0500
From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glenie

On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 13:59:27 -0900, Michael New & Diane Rossmiller
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Any one have any experience with the Glennie pipe bag?
>
>I seem to remember Chris Hamilton saying that he bought one...that
>right, Chris?  If so, what's the scoop?

Well ....

I did buy a medium Glennie bag.  And I kind of liked it in conceptual
form, but the implementation did not interface with my present
specifications and performance metrics ...

(takes another swig of Miller Lite ...)

Seriously though ...

It was very easy to install, and airtight as can be. No seasoning, no
big ugly welt to complicate tie-in.  A real well-made product.

But in my testing I found that it did not absorb moisture well enough,
even when fitted with a tube watertrap, for me (Slobbered-on
Milosevich they call me).  I think it might be a really good solution
in a drier climate (Oklahoma ???) where moisture is not so much of a
problem, or for a really dry blower.

The medium bag is on the big side, so I guess the sizes run large.

More info at http://www.glenniepipebags.freeserve.co.uk/index4.html

So, the answer, as always, is "It depends ..."

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Hamilton -- [e-mail]
City of Washington Pipe Band
http://toneczar.freeservers.com/

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:14:39 -0800
From: "Todd" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Henderson's or Hardies

OK,

Now we're rollin...

How much for the set in the add (what's a fair price)?


Todd


BTW...

madman <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Bingo...Ringo.....


LMAO!!





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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 23:51:37 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner !

On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:34:33 GMT, The Mann <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>
>> .. and murder is worse than assault.
>
>So I think Ccc is saying: its OK to beat up some unsuspecting newbie,
>as long as you dont kill him/her.

Not if the assault is the result of hate. Hate crimes are federal
offenses in the US. So if you have to assault somebody, don't hate
them for it. And you might as well kill them if you really do hate
them.

Royce

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:25:14 -0800
From: "Iain Sherwood" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Maintain:the Right way

in addition, get hold of Ringo's book...and live by it!
"M.R. Rapp" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> I just received a very poorly maintained Pipe from someone. Poor
maintenance
> (none at all) will make you fear taking them out of the box. These pipes
> were leaking at every joint, the wygent tuning screws, the blow pipe seat,
> the blow pipe and a loose mount. I think the poor slob got rid of  them
> becouse they were so hard to play. If you don't know how to maintain a
pipe
> get with someone who does Fast and repeat what they show you monthly.
>
>



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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 23:54:47 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Peel Regional police and John Mitchell (off topic humor)

On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:08:33 GMT, "Savage Piper" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

"Tallywhacker," which would count for four syllables if he hadn't got
it from the children's nursery books he uses as inspiration for his
"Tallywanking."

Royce


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Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 00:05:27 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Henderson's or Hardies

On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 21:39:27 GMT, "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>In my opinion, some of Dave's assertions are not defendable and should not
>be taken as gospel.  His spelling and grammar sucks on occasion too.  This
>may detract from, however does not diminish, his substantial technical
>knowledge on other matters.
>
>Keeping my tongue firmly planted in my cheek
>Ringo

If you're going to tell somebody they're full of shite, at least do us
the courtesy of pointing out exactly what he's full of shite about.

Royce

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:01:54 -0400
From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: celtic store

Firdude391 wrote in message
<[e-mail]>...
>would like to open a celtic store here in northern IL  need information on
now
>to get started..


First......develop a really thick skin.......pipers are the cheapest group
in existence.......

that being said, I am also into amateur radio and apparently amateur radio
operators are the cheapest group around

so.....being a bagpipe playing amateur radio
operator...........hmmmm.......guess I'm doubly cheap.

Seriously............do you want to open this store cause you think you will
enjoy flogging such stuff, or have you and several friends verbalized the
frustration that you experience cause you can't find things celtic in the
local area  ?....IE:  Is there a demand for celtic stuff in the area ?

then, visit every celtic store you can dig up, what gets shelf space, what
doesn't (and why)..........check every web site you can find, which are
good, which are the pitts..........you will probably have to include mail
order to make it..........most manufacturers have sites as well......

It will be like starting any other small business, so all the normal small
business advantages and pitfalls will apply...............good
luck............................david



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Date: 02 Dec 1999 02:52:06 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Forgettable Tunes (Was Veterans)

>> ... No, but a forgettable tune for sure. Peter
>> MacLeod wrote some great stuff, but this wasn't one of them.
>
>Is it just substandard or is it written in a manner that doesn't allow
>interpretation/playing in a traditional manner?  I really am interested
>in your comments, Chris.

Me too.  How can you tell if a tune is forgettable or good?  The answer is a
lot more than whether or not you like it, but I guess it depends how much you
know about piping and pipe music at the time you encounter the tune.

For example...this time last year I was going through all my music books,
looking for a good grade 3  2/4 that appealed to me.

I came up with (in no particular order) Balkan Hills, P/M Robt Rennie, Mrs
MacDonald of Dunachi, Paardeberg, and a left-handed version of 93rd at Modder
River.

Looking back at those choices a year later, they still appeal to me, but maybe
less so.  Nobody plays Balkan Hills.  I've never heard P/M Rennie, but it looks
like a cool tune.  Paardeberg, on closer inspection, really isn't a heavy
enough tune for grade 3 probably.  And now that I've seen a "real" setting for
93rd, I realize what a piece of crap that setting I had, was.

How do you tell a good tune from a crappy one?  And a tune isn't necessarily
good just because I like it.

And while we're on the subject, wassamatta with Lady lever park?

Zu


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Date: 02 Dec 1999 02:55:22 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PIPERS WHO DRUM

>"All pipers need to learn how to drum properly, and all drummers need
>to learn how to pipe properly. Then, everyone will have just a wee bit
>more respect for what needs to happen in the ensemble."

When I was refereeing basketball, one of the coaches told me I should
crosstrain as a coach.  He'd had to referee, and it was a whole nother
perspective on the game.

Zu

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Date: 02 Dec 1999 03:03:44 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scots Guards, Vol 2

>I don't have the books here at work, but if memory serves SG2 has an
>excellent
>selection of jigs and hornpipes.

That sounds about right, but I didn't like the march selections too well.  At
that time I wasn't playing jigs and hornpipes.  I distinctly remember being
disappointed when I got the book.

Maybe it was because at the time, I didn't play much except marches.  I still
don't think SG2 is as good as SG1, but now I'm beginning to realize that
they're two quite different books with different emphasis.

How could it be as good as the first book...the covers are closer together!

Zu

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Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 05:41:58 GMT
From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Henderson's or Hardies

Yer right.  Royce... you're full of shite!

God that felt good!  Thanks for the invite.  I've been waiting these many
months for you to give me an opening.  You are a crafty one, ever waiting
for an opportunity to bait me into bare-knuckle bashing.  I am amazed at
your "staying power" and equally amazed that you never seem to learn.

Dave and I are having a good time with this thread.  I guess you missed
that.  And I'm having a bit of a good time with you right now.  Just
pointing it out...

Tell you what.  Would you like to defend Dave's statement that "most pipes
from post WW2 are complete shite" or the assertion that the pipes in
question are "most likely Hardie-Henderson's"?

And by the way.... I never said that anyone (up until now) was full of
shite.

Checkmate!
Ringo

Royce Lerwick <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 21:39:27 GMT, "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
> >In my opinion, some of Dave's assertions are not defendable and should
not
> >be taken as gospel.  His spelling and grammar sucks on occasion too.
This
> >may detract from, however does not diminish, his substantial technical
> >knowledge on other matters.
> >
> >Keeping my tongue firmly planted in my cheek
> >Ringo
>
> If you're going to tell somebody they're full of shite, at least do us
> the courtesy of pointing out exactly what he's full of shite about.
>
> Royce



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Date: 02 Dec 1999 03:36:07 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Warnok drone reeds

>Although
>new models have all-yellow tongues.
>

Well now we feel slighted ;?)
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: 02 Dec 1999 02:59:05 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Warnok drone reeds

>Go with zudutongues. We have played his tenor tongues for a few months now,
>and
>after our cane bass tongue bit the dust we switched our bass to zudu tongues
>yesterday. Great sounding, and they use less air.

Glad to hear you like 'em!  That seems to be the consensus, that they take less
air and sound good too.

And they're more colorful than OEM tongues too.  Thought Christel would like
the pink tenor tongues, while the bass is a more caution-like yellow.  Although
new models have all-yellow tongues.

Zu

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Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 00:19:51 -0800
From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: You've got to see this pipe!

Nova Albion Research wrote:
>
> Have a look at the picture of this interesting variation of a GHB, on
> eBay (no, no - I'm not selling this!):
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=211206310
>
> It appears to incorporate some new acoustic principles ... what was
> once the chanter has evolved into a  chandrone, cleverly positioned so
> one can keep one's hat from blowing off while playing. The chandrone's
> dual in-line reeds are an adaptation of the well-known principles of
> the compound steam engine. The remaining drones are arrayed to provide
> a surround-sound effect. This could be the big breakthrough everyone's
> been waiting for!
>
>         Cheers,
>
>                       Oliver
>
>
LOL!!!
Now that beats them all.  This even beats the practice chanter with the
reed sticking out of the tip.
Now this pipe has quality and playabality written all over it.

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:31:50 -0800
From: "Iain Sherwood" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: You've got to see this pipe!

You sure this isn't one of Atherton's mistakes?
"Nova Albion Research" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Have a look at the picture of this interesting variation of a GHB, on
> eBay (no, no - I'm not selling this!):
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=211206310
>
> It appears to incorporate some new acoustic principles ... what was
> once the chanter has evolved into a  chandrone, cleverly positioned so
> one can keep one's hat from blowing off while playing. The chandrone's
> dual in-line reeds are an adaptation of the well-known principles of
> the compound steam engine. The remaining drones are arrayed to provide
> a surround-sound effect. This could be the big breakthrough everyone's
> been waiting for!
>
> Cheers,
>
>                       Oliver
>
>        Oliver Seeler
>                      Director,  Nova Albion Research
>                      [e-mail]
>
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Date: 02 Dec 1999 12:44:16 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: You've got to see this pipe!

>i must say i laughes pretty darn hard!

Me too! Looks like Paki junk pipes.
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: 02 Dec 1999 12:34:55 GMT
From: [e-mail] (ALIXGUNN)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Peel Regional police and John Mitchell (off topic humor)

  If you two don't cut it out and let it rest, I'm going to slap you BOTH
upside the head...you 'll have t'walk sideways to see where you're going!

         CORNERS!
              NOW!!!!

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