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bagpipe-digest        Monday, November 22 1999        Volume 01 : Number 194




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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:07:22 -0800
From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Full Force

Does anyone have a copy of this tune?
Thanks,
Mike

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Date: 19 Nov 1999 01:44:05 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: High 5 Photo

>A red tunic???? with four stripes????

Goes nicely with the foliage, doesn't it?  P/M of the Beachmont Highlander, No.
1 dress.

Zu

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Date: 17 Nov 1999 22:11:20 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Phenolic Chanter Review

>I'm still waiting to hear you play Bill.

Hope your holding your breath...
Bill
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Date: 19 Nov 1999 22:48:09 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: High 5 Photo

>Nice photie,Dave As far as I can tell, though- the sandwich board sign is
>pasted
>in- part of it  overlaps the runners hand.

You are correct.  The sandwich board sign was actually a little further up the
road, probably obscured by the runner.  It has indeed been manipulated, but
probably just for artistic purposes.

>The rest of the photo, for those who
>doubt it .is probably authentic- the houses are the right style for Rhode
>Island,
>the runner's bib has Brooks Drug's logo- a local pharmacy chain- so far so
>good.

I could look up the address...I was right in front of the plaque/ little tiny
park that marked where they burned the Gaspee hundreds of years ago.  This was
in the Pawtuxet section of Cranston.

>For the writer who suspected a UK origin, please note the cars and that they
>are
>driving on the right side of the street.

At least in one direction.  There was a problem earlier when somebody tried to
drive north thru the race lane, and interfered with the front runner a little.

>Beachmont Highlander?  Zu- are you stealing my joke?
>

Absolutely!  imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!

It was either that, or P/M of the Junior Varsity Pipe Band (me plus a couple of
students).

Zu

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Date: 19 Nov 1999 23:13:57 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Alexander two drone pipes

>A friend that has a second hand music shop has aquired two Alexander two
>drone
>bagpipes.  All that I have seen of them so far is pictures but from the
>pictures they look like they are GHBs missing a drone.

Probably Irish "warpipes".  One bass, one tenor drone.  Where are the pipes
located?  Might be interested if the price is reasonable.

I don't know much more about Irish pipes than that, though....

Zu

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 01:00:19 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone

On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:33:03 -0000, "Chris Eyre"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Pipe 6:  473         Leprechaun    (high A 474)

Just for the record I was informed it wasn't Zu who was commenting on
the thrilling high A in this tune. In any case, if this reading is
anything like accurate, and oddly enough this is the only sample where
you get a high A played long and steady enough to measure it well,
then it is something about 10 cents sharp of an octave.

The really interesting thing about that though, is the way this
chanter is set up it's a great illustration of why *I* anyway explain
how the high A is actually sounds "truer" if set a bit flat. In this
you can clearly hear two tones at least, one we'll call the
fundamental, in this solo setup the most prominent, and the second
we'll call a crow or "harmonics" though this is really a combination
of many tones. The fundamental is clearly sharp. In this chanter setup
that's the "up front" tone. The harmonics are a bit flatter and it's
these that were likely tuned to the drones, as they're the most active
against drone harmonics. If you listen closely you'll hear the crow is
pretty much in tune with the drones, the fundamental or "pure" tone is
way sharp of them.

Now where you or the meter decides the high A is tuned depends on the
balance between the "crow" and the "pure" tone. In a solo chanter you
sometimes have almost now crow to deal with, and in this case it's
about a 50/50 mix from out here, but playing the instrument the pure
tone would just vanish and all you'd hear is the "crow" unless you
were deliberately listening for the pure tone, and room environment
can affect that among other things.

In a band you end up with more crow usually, but even if you tune the
pure tone an octave apart, what you hear from out here is going to be
the crow, which will be flattish, and the pure tone will blend because
it's tuned. If you move the crow up to "tuned" then the pure tone
doesn't blend anymore, it sticks out over the top, and if a band in
particular, it sounds thin and sharp. If you set a band up like this
at the start of a damp day it might drop well enough by the time you
march on, but if a band went on like this, every high A would be
pretty painful, in spite of the beautiful tone and the great tuning of
the rest of the chanter.

Another thing of note about this chanter is the choice of a slightly
wide interval of D and high G. High G in particular can be set to
about three points where it sounds good, and this chanter is set at
the sharpest interval that still tunes to the drones, which results in
a more cheerful interval on that note. The same goes for the D.
Probably what they call a "good Army D." Low G now I listen to it is
on the high end of the interval as well, in fact misses it a bit sharp
or zero beats.

This is a very effective solo setup with a good blower and controlled
environment where you can hear well. In a band situation, playing on
the high end of the G and D intervals, and in this case, actually
missing the octave way above on the sharp side, tends to insure a
drift with blowing, or falling-into-hole-error, into the sharp zone
and causing pain.

Anyway, this is a very good solo setup and it records very well, but
it's sort-of an apples-to-oranges comparison when you mix band and
solo pipes like this because a band setup is invariably not as pretty
all naked by itself compared to a solo setup. On the other hand, there
really isn't anything that sounds lamer than a band set up by a lot of
solo pipers.

Royce

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:46:43 +0000
From: Andrew Lee Hagen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Niall Bagpipes?

On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Ross Horsburgh wrote:

> I rest my case....
>
> > From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
> > Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
> > Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bagpipe
> > Date: 20 Nov 1999 00:31:42 GMT
> > Subject: Re: Niall Bagpipes?
> >
> >> Does anyone really care about pedantic issues such as the one below or the
> >> rosette fiasco
> >
> > I found it mildly interesting. Certainly more so than some of the flame wars
> > that rage from time to time.
> >
> >> does anyone actually play the bagpipes here???
> >
> > Only Ringo, Chris H., Chris E., Mitch, Kirkwood and a few of Kieffers
> > personalitys actually play bagpipes, the rest of us are just trekkies who saw
> > Braveheart too many times.
> >
> >> We should be here to play music
> >
> > It's hard to type and play at the same time.

Particularly for people like yourself, who can neither play anything
worth listening to, nor write anything worth reading.

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Date: 20 Nov 1999 11:05:58 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Naill chanter help

>Some people have an extremely interesting  life..... inspecting the internal
>construction of Naill pipe chanters.

One makes reeds, the other pipes and chanters, they both make a living by
understanding the design of these things.
Is that so hard to understand?
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: 20 Nov 1999 11:09:38 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Niall Bagpipes?

>I rest my case....
>

Yeah but your still reading aren't you?
Bill
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ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: 20 Nov 1999 00:06:33 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers Ball on Long Island, NY USA

>I didn't know pipers had balls.
>

What do ya think were hiding unner our kilts?
Bill
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Date: 20 Nov 1999 12:59:42 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Niall Bagpipes?

>Particularly for people like yourself,

Oops! You just proved yourself a liar!
You  say you filtered me out, but yet you continue to read everything I write.
As a matter-of-fact you seem to only read and respond to my posts, almost to
the exclusion of everyone else.
I'm glad you enjoy my posts so much.
Now I'll set my filter.
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
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Date: 21 Nov 1999 06:38:42 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tune: Father John Macmillan of Barra

>I should have tried it myself, first. I just tried and got
>"HTTP/1.0 404 Object Not Found "

Worked fine for me...
Bill
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mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: 21 Nov 1999 06:44:43 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone

>Todd wrote:
>
>> I believed the 'whole point' was to judge the Sound/Tone/set-up of each
>> sample;  and NOT to tweak them to sound any way you want them to (n'est
>> pas?).
>>
>> In the latter case, whichever recording is most malleable to
>> audio-electronic tweaking, will win in terms of "ballance" and possibly
>> drone tone.  [could be wrong here - it's happened before :-?)]
>>
>
>Personally, I don't think we can really look at this whole deal as a contest
>-
>there's just too many variables.  It does make it easier to comment
>intelligently on the tone/tuning if you give everyone the benefit of the
>doubt
>and tweak the sound files to make them sound as good as possible.
>
>It's also a hell of a lot easier to listen to.
>
>FWIW,
>
>Michael

I'll side with Todd here, if we tweak the files were hearing what is most
pleaseing to OUR ear, and everyone is listening to something different. It just
makes no sense to me to tweak or change these files to be more pleaseing to our
ears, especially when were supposed to be judging how well THEY set up their
pipes, not how good we can make it sound with an equalizer.
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: 21 Nov 1999 12:27:14 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Peel Regional police and John Mitchell (off topic humor)

Did you have something to do with this John?  ;?)~

(Reuters, Mississauga, Ontario) A man cleaning a bird feeder on his balcony of
his condominium apartment in this Toronto suburb slipped and fell 23 stories to
his death, police said Monday. Stefan Macko, 55, was standing on a wheeled
chair Sunday when the accident occurred, said Inspector D'Arcy Honer of the
Peel regional police. "It appears the chair moved and he went over the
balcony," Honer said. "It's one of those freak accidents. No foul play is
suspected."
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:19:59 -0700
From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) One heck of a deal on drums!!!

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:37:11 GMT
From: aberdeen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone

In article <817cei$nt2$[e-mail]>,
  "Chris Eyre" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>  But however sophisticated the
equipment is,
> what really matters is how discerning we are about what we hear.
Disregard
> the atmospherics, the bad recording quality, the distortion from a
poor
> recording.. etc. Whenever you click on a tune file, think! What I am
> listening for here?   The answer = TONE , ie. 1) accuracy of tuning
2)
> quality of sound  3) steady blowing.
>

I've noticed that those with better recording techniques only make the
ability to discern easier.  With the good recordings, EVERYTHING comes
though better.  I can hear the good aspects along with the not-so-good
much more clearly; they make judging the tonal setup a lot easier IMHO.

All the best,
Jim
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<http://www.AberdeenBagpipe.com>


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Date: 21 Nov 1999 17:33:12 GMT
From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Plastic Chanter Reed

>Personaly, I have been playing the ClanRye plastic reed since 1993. Clanrye's
>are nice and loud. I wouldnt play anything else,

The outlaw highlander. Hhhmmm.

I have one of these reeds, if anyone wants it. N/C. Someone passed it along to
me.

Jim

Jim

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Date: 21 Nov 1999 19:31:32 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Ccc31807)
Subject: (bagpipe) Battle of the Somme

"Battle of the Somme" in Vol 1, Scot's Guards, tune no. 391, page no. 222:

Second part, second bar, second beat:

This beat is short.  Is it an 8th note followed by a 4th note? a 16th note
followed by a dotted 8th note tied to an 8th note, or is there some note
missing?

TIA

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:53:17 +0100
From: "Leslie Thomson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) RE: WTB Binneas is Boreraig Collection

Me too

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The Gaucho Piper
Piobre <[e-mail]> escribi≤ en el mensaje de noticias
[e-mail]...
> HI:  I would very much like to by the full five book set of Binneas is
> Boreraig.  If someone has a set that they do not want to part with, I will
> gladly pay for colour xerox reproductions.  Email me directly.  Cheers  PB



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Date: 21 Nov 1999 20:06:06 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Auld lang Syne........

>Don't want to be in Times Square when the pipe bomb or
>chemical bomb or the like explodes !!!!!

You making plans Baboo? LOL
Bill
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Date: 21 Nov 1999 20:19:15 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone

>If you are only tweaking the files to make them sound more pleasing to your
>ear, that's OK, if all you want to do is enjoy listening to them.

When I want listening pleasure I pop in a CD or tape, but I went at these as a
judging type situation. But a couple were enjoyable to listen to without
tweaking.
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: 21 Nov 1999 19:35:46 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Ccc31807)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: WTB Binneas is Boreraig Collection

Maybe someone at http://web.mountain.net/~unicorn/
can help you.


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Date: 21 Nov 1999 20:26:59 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Throws (warning: piping content)

I'm talking piob here, and specifically talking about the little "tr" that's
written above the melody note.

B with a "tr" means play a cut B, then a grip to B.  Pretty self explanatory,
as is the throw on C.  D throw too, except there's no initial D.

E throw, or edre or aidree, same principle, different notes. Cut E, then a
loA-F-loA grip kind of thing, then E again.

F throw, ditto, except first an F, then E-hiG-E grippy thing, then F again.

G throw I haven't actually played but it looks ferocious.

How come the hiA "hit" is called a throw?

WHy isn't the edre just written as E with a "tr" above it?

And while we're on the subject (back to light music again): say you're on D and
you want to play a D throw.  Is that okay, or do you have to play it with a B
note instead?  I've never seen this written in any standard publication.\

Zu

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Date: 21 Nov 1999 20:46:08 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PAID PIPERS!!!

>If it bothered you so
>much, you should have went over and touched up his tuning. BEFORE he was seen
>by the 'uneducated public'. Give the man a little help, its not just polite.
>If
>you are a more experienced player, it is your RESPOSIBILITY.

Hmmmm.....

I'm wondering about that.  That's going to be an awkward thing to do if he's a
complete stranger.  Would you just go up to him and start tuning his drones
willy nilly? Although it's an amusing mental picture, it's  probably best to
first say hello.

Then there's the chance that he's got the typical 2-year piper ego/attitude "I
know it all" and to him he sounds fine because he doesn't know any better.

Food for thought, at any rate.  What would I do?  What would you do?  How would
you go about it tactfully?

Playing devil's advocate, let's say he's handed you his pipes, and you find
that they're in disrepair.  You didn't bring your tool kit, and he hasn't heard
of a tool kit, and he's leaking air like a sieve and nobody's got teflon tape
let alone hemp.

"Sorry, guy, not much I can do with a setup like that...go play your gig now."

Hmmmm.

Zu

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Date: 21 Nov 1999 20:16:05 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Plastic Chanter Reed

>Personaly, I have been playing the ClanRye plastic reed since 1993. Clanrye's
>are nice and loud. I wouldnt play anything else, or subject myself to the
>difficulty, and sadomasochism of cane reeds.
>Plastic Drone reeds on the other hand, are too bloody loud, and horrible
>sounding. I will stick to Ross Champions.
>
>Rodger

I'll bet you sound great too! (sarcasm)
Let me venture out on a limb here...
Your self taught, and have never played in a band or competed, right?

Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:09:02 -0500
From: "jfmc" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) James J. Coyne Memorial Juvenile Pipe Band

For those living in the NY/NJ Metro Area: Seamus Coyne has recently started
a juvenile pipe band  two months ago, it currently has 15 members and is
looking for new members. The goal of the band is to encourage the next
generation of pipers and drummers and to attend the World's in Glasgow in
2001.

If you have anyone who would like to join the band between the ages of 7-18
please contact Beth Colleary at 914-834-5269 or Seamus at 914-633-5297
practices/lessons are on Sunday afternoon at Iona College from 4-6pm.

A benefit to raise money for the band is being held on Sunday December 5
from 4-7pm at Rory Dolan's in Yonkers 914-776-2946. A $25 fee includes a
lavish buffet as well as a solo concert by Seamus Coyne and Viv
Stapleton(East Coast Drumming Champion).



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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 02:58:06 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone

On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:21:16 -0900, Michael New & Diane Rossmiller
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Todd wrote:
>
>> I believed the 'whole point' was to judge the Sound/Tone/set-up of each
>> sample;  and NOT to tweak them to sound any way you want them to (n'est
>> pas?).
>>
>> In the latter case, whichever recording is most malleable to
>> audio-electronic tweaking, will win in terms of "ballance" and possibly
>> drone tone.  [could be wrong here - it's happened before :-?)]
>>
>
>Personally, I don't think we can really look at this whole deal as a contest -
>there's just too many variables.  It does make it easier to comment
>intelligently on the tone/tuning if you give everyone the benefit of the doubt
>and tweak the sound files to make them sound as good as possible.
>
>It's also a hell of a lot easier to listen to.
>
>FWIW,
>
>Michael
>
>p.s.  I'm looking forward to seeing everyone's recording setup almost as much
>as I am looking forward to seeing how their pipes are set up.

This is just bordering on ignorance here. There isn't any "tweaking"
of sound files being discussed, at least not by me. I'm talking about
one knob on a piece of playback hardware, and perhaps more pertinently
the overal question of *volume* between drone and chanter. It's not
complicated. You have a system randomly set to reproduce bass tones
and some random level that may or may not even sound good to you on
anything. The problem has to do with pipes, and making a guess at  how
loud the drones really were compared to the chanter, when apart form
where the mic was placed, the playback of what *was* recorded, can be
almost entirely altered with *one* knob. Or with the set of speakers
or headphones you're using.

The fact is, they spend thousands of hours and millions of dollars
debating just how to EQ those CD's you pop into your system trying to
guess how it's going to come out on the "average" playback setup, and
the fact is, if you played that stuff back on a 2" speaker it wouldn't
have any bass no matter what you did to it.

Royce

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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 03:00:24 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Peel Regional police and John Mitchell (off topic humor)

On 22 Nov 1999 01:09:49 GMT, [e-mail] (IKTPA) wrote:

>Here...here John!
>Christ Sake man, we bullshit each other on the newsgroup, but the death of a
>fellow human being...that's another issue. Maybe should be posted to
>"alt.phiolsophy.zen" or "alt.music.rage-machine" or some other
>angst.music.group?
>My very sincere condolences to the family of the deciest.
>Keir Todd
>Mt Pleasant Michigan USA

The Peel police was mentioned in the article, that's that connection.
John has no status or right to exempt himself from any degree or
derision or mockery on this NG.

The article is about 99.99% certain to be completely bogus.

Royce

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Date: 21 Nov 1999 20:27:11 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PAID PIPERS!!!

>Now, as for the tuning of the 'offensive' Piper which started all this.
>Personaly, out of tune & balance Pipes give me a migraine headache. I could
>be
>very rude about this issue, and rightly so, but I am not. If it bothered you
>so
>much, you should have went over and touched up his tuning.

Re-read his post. He didn't have a chance. The guy grabbed them from his car
and immediately went into playing. He never had a chance to even approach him,
nevermind offer to help.

>Perhaps, you did not hear the man tuning up, and having
>trouble beforehand.... that is the only extenuating circumstance that can
>excuse yourself with.

Read above...

>Publicly announcing, and humiliating the Piper, however,
>is not excusable.

He didn't do any of those things. Where did you get that from? Unless of course
YOUR him!
Posting a story with no names or locations is hardly humiliating anyone.
And what about all the legitamite pipers who get a black eye because of his
questionable playing?
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: 21 Nov 1999 20:17:49 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Grips (warning: piping content)

I've been wondering this for a while, and since things seem to be slow around
here, I'll ask.

Grips/ throws.  B-to-C grips are very common,also C-to-E sometimes and high
hand grips (like A-to-A).  Lower notes to higher notes usually, or else the
same note.

How come we don't see grips from a higher note to a lower note very much?

And why do we have to use a B grip when we're playing on the bottom hand? Like
C-to-A for example.  And why do we never see B grips any other time?

Why do the rules change for D taorluaths (and crunlaths), making us play the B
note instead of D?  Would playing a D (as usual) interrupt the flow or confuse
things?

Maybe somebody can give us a little grip theory here.  I hope so, anyway....

Zu

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:31:41 -0800
From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PAID PIPERS!!!

Zudupiper wrote:
> Then there's the chance that he's got the typical 2-year piper ego/attitude "I
> know it all" and to him he sounds fine because he doesn't know any better.
>
> Zu

Zu, I'm surprised with you, making a generalization like that! I'm
coming up on my two year pipes learning anniversary and I know that I've
got a LONG WAY to go yet.

I figure I've got a year or two before I can get a absolutely perfect
tuning. I can get in the ballpark now so it sounds reasonable, but only
after a bit of work.

I don't think my attitude is atypical. I just think the "know-it-alls"
stick out so people remember them. I think you're probably more accurate
describing TEENAGE 2 year piper egos . . . how's that for a
generalization? ;-)

Andrew
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Santa Cruz, California U.S.A.

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:58:05 -0500
From: "Wm. Hinmon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) WTD:Leather pipe case

Hi,
   I'm looking to buy a new or used hard (real) leather pipe
case. As long as it still has a handle I'd be interested.
If anyone knows who may still retails this type of case
I would be grateful to know the name.

               Thanks,     Bill



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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 21:56:22 -0500
From: Richard Mao <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Battle of the Somme

Hi...

In other settings the two note sequence is HiG grace to an eighth note and
then a quarter...

My guess is that the "author/arranger" of this setting wanted the typical
Scottish snap to HiA and you should feel free to fill out the "beat" with a
tie to another eighth note (I rather like it this way..you could say that the
eighth/quarter sounds a bit heavy.).

Of course if this is being played by a band...all should agree on the same
interpretation.

my 2ó

Cheers.

ItÆs nice to meet guys who can teach you things, so you donÆt have to learn
everything the hard way. .... Chris Rock

Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( [e-mail] )


Ccc31807 wrote:

> "Battle of the Somme" in Vol 1, Scot's Guards, tune no. 391, page no. 222:
>
> Second part, second bar, second beat:
>
> This beat is short.  Is it an 8th note followed by a 4th note? a 16th note
> followed by a dotted 8th note tied to an 8th note, or is there some note
> missing?
>
> TIA


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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 02:49:44 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone

On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:16:51 -0800, "Todd" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>I believed the 'whole point' was to judge the Sound/Tone/set-up of each
>sample;  and NOT to tweak them to sound any way you want them to (n'est
>pas?).

You must deliberately be missing the point. You can't control how it's
going to sound. The best you can do is make some average bass/treble
eq decsion and listen to the basic tone. You can't make any
determination concerning the volume of the drones v chanter. You're
making a myopic argument against yourself. You can be stuck with
whatever you're sent either way, so you can just ignorantly declare
the ones with the loudest drones to be "balanced" and the best, or you
can make an intelligent approach to restoring some general eq curve
that approximates an average room-with-pipes-in-it scenario.
>
>In the latter case, whichever recording is most malleable to
>audio-electronic tweaking, will win in terms of "ballance" and possibly
>drone tone.  [could be wrong here - it's happened before :-?)]

No, because the default system sucks. If the default system was
theatre quality, then the boomy bass samples would sound muddy and
annoying. The default system is a two inch speaker set from Radio
Shack with a low end curve that looks like the road to Parley's Summit
in Utah.

Royce



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Date: 22 Nov 1999 06:34:42 GMT
From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PAID PIPERS!!!

>Playing devil's advocate, let's say he's handed you his pipes, and you find
>that they're in disrepair.  You didn't bring your tool kit, and he hasn't
>heard
>of a tool kit, and he's leaking air like a sieve and nobody's got teflon tape
>let alone hemp.
>
>"Sorry, guy, not much I can do with a setup like that...go play your gig
>now."
>
>Hmmmm.
>

Above is the most likely senario. No good deed will go unpunished.

Jim

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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:43:27 GMT
From: Bill Carr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone

Thanks Chris.

I for one have been eagerly looking forward to the update. It's appreciated.

A couple of comments:

I really like #20 Rhu Vaternish. Very pleasant sounding setup and nice to listen
to. Isn't that what it's about? I hear a bagpipe that sounds good...musical and
it makes me want to listen to it. I couldn't say whether this or that note was
in our out of tune but It just sounds good. I'm keen to find out how this was
recorded.

May I comment on the (apparent wavering tone on Siege of Delhi? Is this a result
of the recording technique or is it unsteadiness in the blowing?

I'd like to ask the group which version of Green Hills they preferred. Noting to
do with tone this time......I'm asking for opinions on musical interpretation.
Both sounded pretty good but both were played very differently. Which do you
prefer?


Cheers


Bill

PS wouldn't it be great if one of the top players who monitor this ng would come
forward with his/her comments? Hint..Hint.. Jim...Iain...Whilly...Ed...

Christopher Eyre wrote:

> ===================
> SETTING THE TONE
> ===================
>
> The second wave (ugh...) of tunes is now up and ready for your earnest eager
> ears.
> There are 8 tunes in this selection, a couple of improvements on previous
> submissions and 6 new ones. As I did with the first batch, the 8 new tunes
> are also available as a single Zip file.
>
> If you haven't been here before, they are all waiting for you here:
>
> http://www.ceyre.freeserve.co.uk/tunes/viewing.html
>
> Chris Eyre



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