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bagpipe-digest         Friday, October 1 1999         Volume 01 : Number 106




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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:57:28 -0400
From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Celtic Classic Results

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:44:11 -0400, "Bill Burt"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Like WUB-WUB????

Phonetic spelling of my birl -- you know, uh, too slow and too open
... my achilles heel.

Chris
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City of Washington Pipe Band
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:58:38 -0400
From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shut the Fuck Up & Play!!!

On 30 Sep 1999 23:59:39 GMT, [e-mail] (SENDMEMORESPAM) wrote:

>>Are you sure your not in the eye witness protection program?
>
>I thought it was "the Jehova-witness" program? Theres no such thing as the
>"eye" witness program LOL

Hmm, I thought that was him handing out Watchtowers down by the 7-11
...

Chris
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Date: 01 Oct 1999 03:44:39 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Jsnppr)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: canntaireachd question

<< Hi Jason...

Any of the Piobaireachd society books have the nether lorne canntaireachd in
front...

Also try this website:
http://www.ling.gu.se/~svenax/mpd/music_canntaireachd.htm

But also... get a cd or tape with someone actually singing...

Advice?...don't get to hung up on any one of the canntaireachd systems... at
first... chanting...what you feel and hear is probably acceptable... think
onomatopoeia ...

Sing well!!!

When I die, I know IÆm going to heavenà
     IÆve already been through Hell as a member of a pipe bandà

Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( [e-mail] )
 >>


Thanks Richard! I appreciate the help.  I have bits and pieces of people
singing canntaireachd from pipe school a couple of years ago, but I'll
definitely look into a recording.  I was thinking of getting that cd with the
two bobs...

thanks again,
Jason

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Date: 01 Oct 1999 03:09:37 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Ccc31807)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: No such thing as "Natural Talent"

> Wake up and smell the cannabis.
>
>Royce

That's what I wuz smelling, dummy.

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:38:51 +0100
From: "lsrapm" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: canntaireachd question

Jsnppr <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> << Hi Jason...
>
> Any of the Piobaireachd society books have the nether lorne canntaireachd
in
> front...
>
> Also try this website:
> http://www.ling.gu.se/~svenax/mpd/music_canntaireachd.htm
>
> But also... get a cd or tape with someone actually singing...
>
> Advice?...don't get to hung up on any one of the canntaireachd systems...
at
> first... chanting...what you feel and hear is probably acceptable... think
> onomatopoeia ...
>
> Sing well!!!
>
> When I die, I know I'm going to heaven.
>      I've already been through Hell as a member of a pipe band.
>
> Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( [e-mail] )
>  >>
>
>
> Thanks Richard! I appreciate the help.  I have bits and pieces of people
> singing canntaireachd from pipe school a couple of years ago, but I'll
> definitely look into a recording.  I was thinking of getting that cd with
the
> two bobs...
>
> thanks again,
> Jason

I've just finished reading "Piobaireachd and its Interpretation" by Seumas
MacNeill and Frank Richardson. It's a fascinating read, particularly Frank's
senction. He illustrates a lot of the tunes he's talking about with excerpts
of Nether Lorn canntaireachd. And there's a full explanation of the
canntaireachd in the Appendix at the end.

I'm not aware of any published recordings of canntaireachd. Do anyone know
of any available?

Chris Eyre



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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:03:49 GMT
From: Bill Carr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The "Right" Bagpipe

Ron Bowen wrote:

> (Maeve wrote)

> "I do love you, Ringo . .  just remember that when I push this sword through
> your heart! :) :) :) "
>
> I fear not, dear Maeve, for I have a heart of steel. Some would say to match
> my head!
>
> Ringo
>

And you boxer shorts? :-)

Bill C



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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:46:56 +0100
From: "lsrapm" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Chanter Reed

Lance Hallgren <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> <snip>
> > a hand-held digital version [of a manometer] from his back pocket
> <snip again>
>
> I don't mean to knock your B.C. (Bill Carr) version of manometer, but,
being a
> toy freak, Please tell us more about this digital one. Please(?) Does it
work?
> How did it compare to the 'analog' version? How much does it cost?
>
> Sorry but, I've 'been goona' build one of B.C's manometers for a few
months and
> now I get a hint that there is a digital unit?
>
> Please, do tell
>
> Lance
>
> (And I already bought the  plywood and the tubing and the food dye;))
>

I had a chat at band practice with this guy with the digital manometer. and
I know a little more about them now. He works for the Gas Board, and his
manometer is what he uses for testing gas pressure. Apparently they are
available in millibars or in inches of water. The millibars ones only go up
to 70 which is not enough. 40 inches of water equates roughly with 80
millibars so you need one that goes up to 90/100 at least. The price was
about ú100UK.

Chris Eyre





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Date: 01 Oct 1999 10:59:08 GMT
From: [e-mail] (SENDMEMORESPAM)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: What's it all about?

>Are YOU sober ?

Five nights a week or more! I thought I'd clear this up, since you obviously
have/had an alcohol problem.


>I swung at who exactly Bill?Don't Drink, so why would I have to sober up!!
>What dispute ,with whom?

You said to leave your personal life out of it, yet you beg for more? You
admitted the details here in your own post, remember? Or were you too drunk?


Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: 01 Oct 1999 11:27:40 GMT
From: [e-mail] (SENDMEMORESPAM)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lerwick's Hold

>Good Luck to those who listen to Royce!
>.Especially his  group of cronies.You know who they are .Either they are
>gullible or just plain stupid.

Glad you let us know how stupid we are. Just think, all those years here
without you, we had to make-up our own minds on things. But now we can relax
and let you decide for us...



>This is not a statement about  products,pipes ,etc.
>Although if you  listen to Royce on these subjects, he is.It's about Royce
>himself.

And ALL your posts are about personal attacks on someone you 1) Don't know
personally. 2) About a book you never saw. and 3) About continuing your friend
John's personal vendetta against Royce.
Let me explain my view, since many seem confused as to why I'd defend Royce
(not that he needs it). I may not like cats, but if I see one getting chewed up
by a pit bull, I'd save it.
Lately I smell a dog here!



>I'll  choose to ignore him from now on as he twists ,deviates, conjures up
>theories about subjects ,so his point can be heard his way.

Just admit it! Your running away with your tail between your legs? He wore you
down like hundreds before you. Including John, that's why he needs you now to
gang-up on him.

>I've received enough private e-mails from people to recognize I'm not alone
>in my opinion of him.

HA! I doubt it.

>Royce might have helped some ,but do they know any better!
>I believe he's under the impression that this NG is his own private domain.
>Out in the Piping world he knows he has little influence ,maybe this is what
>really bothers him.

More of Johns words we've been hearing for a year now. Can't you come up with
something original that at least SOUNDS like it came from you?

>If the NG's purpose is  to address questions ,problems or services

Oh I thought you turned it into a battle ground for personal attacks...oh wait,
you did!

>you have to have a good memory to be a good liar,
>but its seems that Royce's memory is deteoriating fast.

Like how your memory has slipped asking for details of a certain "crime" when
you yourself already acknowledged the incident?

>I'll help beginner to advanced,good from bad ,old and young ,it doesn't
>matter to me.I'll help on this NG, IF I can or ,if what I add might benefit
>someone.

If you put one fraction of the energy you've spent on your personal vendetta
helping people here, you'd be the leader in helping people. But all you've
shown us so far is a sharp tongue to parrot John Mitchells positions.
This will be my last post on it, so I leave you with this: Royce has helped
more people here by accident than you probably ever will. If his advice was
good or not is irrelevant, because in most cases, he's the only one who offered
any help. You seem jealous. Well you weren't here to offer any advice, and John
offers little to newbies. Why don't you try reading his (Royces) "useful" posts
and if you disagree THEN speak up. Otherwise your just plain "gettin old" at
this point.

>I know and talk to Piper's V.Good to SoSo, and people like Royce are the
>reason they don't get involved here.>

We'd have to take your word for this, I don't. I barely believe anything you
say at this point.
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: 01 Oct 1999 11:29:21 GMT
From: [e-mail] (SENDMEMORESPAM)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shut the Fuck Up & Play!!!

>Hmm, I thought that was him handing out Watchtowers down by the 7-11
>...

Everyone needs a job or purpose in life, maybe he's found his true calling.
"Father Mitchell" hmmm nice ring to it!
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: 30 Sep 1999 23:37:36 -0500
From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The "Right" Bagpipe

Ron Bowen <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<YnRI3.118$[e-mail]>...
> And yes, you are passionate.  You are also intensely competitive.  That's
> what motivates you to not quit!  There will come a day when you look back
> and realize just how far you have come, and just where you were at this
> point in time.  And you will smile.

And right now, I look back each day at the day before and smile at the
accomplishment that I have made from that day. I hope I never forget from
where I came.

> I said...  "...worthy (musically)..."  I did not discount other
qualities.
> I simply limited my truth to a musical perspective.  You, dahling, are
most
> worthy.  However, if you were to line up 10 pipers who were equal in
every
> way except that 3 of those pipers were more accomplished musically, and
you
> had 3 sets of old MacDougalls and 7 sets of ...er, Bowen drones, who
would
> you give the MacDougalls to?  ah, gotcha!

Ahhh. . .yeah, ya got me. I thought for a second that we were talking about
the person having a CHOICE in what they wanted to play. I didn't realize
that the good pipes were being doled out by a judge. Silly me. Forgive me,
Hon. I just didn't realize.
You are right, by all means. When I rescued Angus from under someone's bed
after 25 years of neglect, took great pains in the restoration, bonded to
him as each moment passed, and put him back into playing condition, I
should have IMMEDIATELY found the piper who could play him the way he
needed to be played. I'll do that first thing in the morning . . . . .
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :)
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Love and Light be with you,
Maeve . . . smiling as she packs to leave for England with Angus!
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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 12:11:41 GMT
From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: What's it all about?

In article <[e-mail]>,
  "Lindsay Kirkwood" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> > <<otherwise known as Willie Woofters,Arse bandits, Ginger Beers.>>
> It's called sarcasm Bill!!

Keep that in mind when you read my other post to you.


> You on the other hand share your close private
> > quarters with a middle aged male friend. Hmmmm enough said here.
> > Bill
>
> I also have a daughter,a wife and live in a huge house,not a close
private
> quarters .I rent one  room to Mr.Mitchell,or is there something wrong
with
> renting.It's not a new concept Bill,I think other's have did it.

Lindsay, do you have a garage, too?  Does your wife keep chickens in
your garage?  I'm getting closer to a theory on that one, too.  But,
it's only a hypothesis now.

Pat


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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 11:50:27 GMT
From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The "Right" Bagpipe

I keep the steel inside.
Ringo
Bill Carr <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
>
>
> Ron Bowen wrote:
>
> > (Maeve wrote)
>
> > "I do love you, Ringo . .  just remember that when I push this sword
through
> > your heart! :) :) :) "
> >
> > I fear not, dear Maeve, for I have a heart of steel. Some would say to
match
> > my head!
> >
> > Ringo
> >
>
> And you boxer shorts? :-)
>
> Bill C
>
>



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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 11:55:06 GMT
From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lerwick's Hold

In article <[e-mail]>,
  "Lindsay Kirkwood" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Good Luck to those who listen to Royce!
> ...
> I've received enough private e-mails from people to recognize I'm not
alone
> in my opinion of him.From Beginner's to Clasp Winner's ,we are in
total
> agreement that Royce is full of himself,a legend in his own mind .

That's their way of helping you to pull yourself out of a downward
spiral.


> Isn't one of the purpose's of this NG ,is try to learn.

Exactly!  But, not selectively trying.  By excluding one person for some
pre-conceived notion or prejudice, you then inadvertantly exclude tens
of others.  See how it all adds up.



> I'll help beginner to advanced,good from bad ,old and young ,it
doesn't
> matter to me.I'll help on this NG, IF I can or ,if what I add might
benefit
> someone.

I think you may have just pulled-up on the joy stick.  Thanks for not
crashing and burning again.


> After all someone showed me,so I try to pass the knowledge on
> .Hopefully,this is what is going to improve Piping and Drumming.
>
> I know and talk to Piper's V.Good to SoSo, and people like Royce are
the
> reason they don't get involved here.

Oh, I guess I was wrong.  Down goes the joystick.  Who are you
referring to, the people in your little circle of followers.  Is it in
their honor that you fight Royce?  How simplistic.

Pat


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Date: 01 Oct 1999 12:50:34 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Ccc31807)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lerwick's Hold

Dear Lindsay,

Royce may appear to be an asshole, and he often insults, degrades, humiliates,
and ridicules his correspondants.  He also has a very limited range of
expertise (as we all do, I don't claim to know much about anything.)

But he engages this newsgroup, sometimes has a wonderful sense of humor, and
knows what he is talking about when it comes to piping.  I'm not saying that he
is a good piper.  I am saying that while the ratio of useful knowledge to
bullshit might only be 1 out of 10, it's still siginificant in terms of
quantity.

You have fallen into one of his traps, by responding to him.  He is like a
little child, who craves attention so much that he misbehaves to get it.  By
making him the subject of your post, you are giving him what he wants and needs
- - your attention and your time.  You are also showing the world that he "gets
your goat."

You can deal with this problem in one of two ways.  You can filter out all
posts from him.  Or you can respond in a restrained and factual fashion to his
errors, citing page and line showing him the error.  What you should NOT do is
show the world that he gets under your skin.

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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 12:05:24 GMT
From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: What's it all about?

In article <[e-mail]>,
  "Lindsay Kirkwood" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> SENDMEMORESPAM <[e-mail]> wrote in message
>  > You think hes Royce? LOLOLOL
> > Paranoia setting in? Theres Royce behind that tree! Theres Royce in
that
> > passing car! Theres Royce... Well you got the idea.
> .
>
> No I don't think it's him, but it's quite obvious there attached at
the
> arse.
> Otherwise known as Willie Woofter's,Arse bandits ,Ginger Beers.
> Lindsay

I orginally drafted this last night and didn't send it because I thought
you didn't deserve to be on the 'BUTT END', (Oh I like that pun), of a
totally derogatory comment.  NOT!

Apparently you are able to recognize all the signs of a "Willie
Woofter", you must have some experience in that area.  I'm guessing
you've been sharing more than your house and computer with John.  Eh??

Pat


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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:32:31 -0300
From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lerwick's Hold

>Glad you let us know how stupid we are. Just think, all those years here
>without you, we had to make-up our own minds on things. But now we can
relax
>and let you decide for us...etc., etc.

Well Bill...........I dont' "know" Royce (or Lindsay)  by any other source
other than this NG............

BUT conclusions are....that Lindsay is correct.................the more I
have read from Royce the less credibility he has.............

never heard either of them play....................it's not a function of
playing..........it's a function of the credibility generated by the posts,
the tone of them, and how helpfull the responses are............

A responder who replies to questions, be they simple or advanced, with
information and helpful opinions paints a positive picture of themselves.
The responder who answers questions with "non-answers" filled with invective
and derogatory comments paints a picture of himself that needs no
explanation.

I can't take credit for it but it is worth pondering:

  "There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers"

Lindsay:  I don't know what initiated this thread for you but it does
describe some of the feelings I have built up over my past few months on
this NG.

Note that you never hear the top debaters  in public life "chuck shit" at
anybody........think about which public figures have credibility and why
they have it, and how they conduct themselves.........

Sorry Bill.........you're way off

Notice I am NOT addressing any piping capabilities or levels of expertise in
anything, other than command of the language.

David



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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 08:46:47 -0400
From: Bentley Wall <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reaming out chanters

>

Since we are concerned about resumes recently, I just thought I would
back up what I am about to say with my own examples, experiences and
opinions.  This is what I have done and seen and heard from the
manufacturer of our product.  Do what you like.  Don't blame this
information.  Everyone makes their own choices.  The information is not
at fault.  Here goes:


> Since I live in the land of Gibson...  Here is what I have been told
> by him plus my own personal experiences.

He says that the wood "grows in" translating for him that the top grain
wood fibers swell and never return to their originally finished
flattness, over a certain period of time of playing initially.  People
that have worked with wood know that this is a phenomenon that is
utilized to create a better finish in certain cases.  After you sand
your final sand on a fine wood piece, not pipes, you lightly wet the
surface and it makes the top fibers that are not completely attached
swell and stand up, then you sand again, lightly.  If you do this
several times, you end up with a very nice finish.
Sometimes, with enough patience, you can make the cut edges look like
glass.  I have done this myself many times.  The final sand on the final
wetting cycle should be with one of those three zero steel wools that
are hard to find around here, you know, the kind that the car repair
guys tell you to buff your car glass windows with to remove scratches...

Anyway, Gibson has said that we should return our chanters after the
first year to have them restored to original dimensions, but he is
talking about the throat primarily.  The chanters are designed and
tested in the newly made condition of course, so if they change after
being played for awhile, you would think that restoring them to original
conditions would be a good idea.  However, the throat is the most
critical part of the chanter and messing with it can mean the end of the
chanter.  Once wood is removed....  He actually says that we should do
this more than once.

Now, if the chanter was perfect (any chanter) then I would do anything
to keep it that way.  However, the designs of the chanters change every
year, and who can wait a whole year to get their sound back.  If it
changes at all, it changes extremely slowly over a large period of time,
and you can make more dramatic sound effects by changing reeds.
Therefore, if you tweak the holes out here and there and you change
reeds (which of course you do over a year's time) restoring the chanter
to its original throat condition might not be a good idea, for you.  I
had one chanter done once and it made no difference at all, and luckily
didn't do any damage either.

Recall also that there are chanters out there that claim to sweeten over
time, meaning that the changes over time cause them to sound BETTER
after a year or two.  Who wants to mess with THAT!

Now I do confirm the phenomenon of the wood growing in both with
nonbagpipe woods and pipes.  I had my drones "cleaned out" once about
three years after I bought them.  All this amounts to is shoving the
same final bore tooling up the drone segments and restoring the
originally manufactured dimensions.  When I saw the first one redone, I
just about asked him to stop.  I could not believe how much wood was
coming out.  It seemed like an awful lot, from each piece!  I was scared
to death that it was over man.  But reassembled, the pipes are fine,
AND, no noticeable difference in sound, and all tuning to the same
places with the same reeds.  However, cutting a little off a cross
section of one of the bass drone segments made much more of a
difference...  That is an unrelated story.

Even with the "cleaning out" you can't do ALL the sections, like he
didn't do the tops under the drone caps, he didn't do the tuning pins
where the drones are the most narrow, he didn't do the stocks (which
people keep trying to say makes such a big difference in the sound
quality).  Another story again...

So, if you clean out the throat and not the body of the chanter and you
clean out the main bores of the drones but not the rest, are you really
restoring the items to their original specs?  AND, more importantly, is
it really necessary or wise to do this in the first place?  I would
suggest that this not be done unless your instrument is suffering from a
problem that appears to stem from a dimensional change.  For instance,
one of the chanters in our band set could not be reeded after about 4
months.  Every reed in it was very restrictive and hard to blow and the
whole chanter was prone to chirps and squeals.  We took it back and
measured the throat, and sure enough it was too small.  Cleaned it out,
now its fine.  ANother chanter also could not be reeded.  Every damn
reed after a little playing fell victim to the hated F-drop.  We took it
back and measured the throat, and it is too big.  Nothing to do about
that, but at least we don't play that chanter in the band anymore rather
than assume it is the player screwing with the reeds or something.  We
just canned it.

Bentley Wall



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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 11:49:27 GMT
From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The "Right" Bagpipe

I think we've about beaten this thing up.  I do know one thing.  You make me
wish that it was me you found under the bed 'stead of Angus!

Maeve, none of this was about trying to control the ebb and flow of bagpipes
for the next 50 years.  I respect that individuals make choices based on
what is "right" for them.  These "rights" (lotta "rights" here) are most
sacred and one individual may not impose his/hers or encroach otherwise upon
another.  What I wanted to do, and you (and Luramao) have helped immensely,
is to hold up two sides of the coin, so that each NG member who was at all
interested in this topic could decide what was "right" for them.  And I
wanted to do this without the name calling and vicious slagging that appears
elsewhere on the NG.

Mission accomplished.

Good Piping and sheath your sword!  Flowers are extended.
Ringo

Maeve <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:01bf0bbd$185659e0$[e-mail]...
> Ron Bowen <[e-mail]> wrote in article
> <YnRI3.118$[e-mail]>...
> > And yes, you are passionate.  You are also intensely competitive.
That's
> > what motivates you to not quit!  There will come a day when you look
back
> > and realize just how far you have come, and just where you were at this
> > point in time.  And you will smile.
>
> And right now, I look back each day at the day before and smile at the
> accomplishment that I have made from that day. I hope I never forget from
> where I came.
>
> > I said...  "...worthy (musically)..."  I did not discount other
> qualities.
> > I simply limited my truth to a musical perspective.  You, dahling, are
> most
> > worthy.  However, if you were to line up 10 pipers who were equal in
> every
> > way except that 3 of those pipers were more accomplished musically, and
> you
> > had 3 sets of old MacDougalls and 7 sets of ...er, Bowen drones, who
> would
> > you give the MacDougalls to?  ah, gotcha!
>
> Ahhh. . .yeah, ya got me. I thought for a second that we were talking
about
> the person having a CHOICE in what they wanted to play. I didn't realize
> that the good pipes were being doled out by a judge. Silly me. Forgive me,
> Hon. I just didn't realize.
> You are right, by all means. When I rescued Angus from under someone's bed
> after 25 years of neglect, took great pains in the restoration, bonded to
> him as each moment passed, and put him back into playing condition, I
> should have IMMEDIATELY found the piper who could play him the way he
> needed to be played. I'll do that first thing in the morning . . . . .
> NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :)
> --
> Love and Light be with you,
> Maeve . . . smiling as she packs to leave for England with Angus!
> http://people.delphi.com/terralyn
> [e-mail]
>
>
>
>
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Date: 1 Oct 1999 09:28:21 -0500
From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The "Right" Bagpipe

Ron Bowen <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<bd1J3.646$[e-mail]>...
> Mission accomplished.
>
> Good Piping and sheath your sword!  Flowers are extended.
> Ringo

Thank you, Kind Gentleman! I have not had this much fun since I left
college a few years ago! I used to have wonderful debates with my
professors every day and I do miss that! So if you REALLY want a good
debate, pick on something like Shakespeare, Shelley, or Byron!!
LOL!!!!!!!!! Flowers accepted, hugs to you and I still love you! BTW . . .
should I tell you that there is a Henderson down here that I wouldn't have
if I found it under a bed for free??? I believe it sold for $300. Angus
plays circles around it!! :) :) :)
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Maeve
http://people.delphi.com/terralyn
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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 14:02:38 +0100
From: Bob Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Millenium March question

Don't forget the main purpose of this is to raise much needed money
for charity

    The highlight will be a
     parade by 10,000 pipers and
     drummers through
     Scotland's capital raising
     ú500,000 for Marie Curie
     Cancer Care.

Consider Cancer sufferers and let your piping give joy to spectators,
and relief to those that suffer from Cancer.

Bob

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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:28:51 -0400
From: Doug Campbell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: What's it all about?

oshpiper wrote:

>
> Lindsay, do you have a garage, too?  Does your wife keep chickens in
> your garage?  I'm getting closer to a theory on that one, too.  But,
> it's only a hypothesis now.
>
> Pat
>

Hey, leave my chickens out of your theories!

Doug C

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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 11:10:28 -0400
From: Doug Campbell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trish Dean's Phone #? (Goshen Games)

Here's the calendar from the EUSPBA website:

http://www.euspba.org/calendar.html

There's a phone # there that worked for me last week.

Doug C.

PiperJohn wrote:

> ZU:
>
> Please post resolution of your inquiry.  I'm having the same problem with the
> games the following weekend in Scotland, Ct., which are being run by the same
> organization.


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Date: 1 Oct 1999 10:34:51 -0500
From: "Matt Buckley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Adult Learners

Thought a change of heading would be appropriate, given that
this topic has been floating about now for a couple of weeks.

Generally, I try to avoid participating in the more controversial
discussions on the NG.  However, I found John Mitchell's
posts on adult learners so offensive that I felt compelled to
reply.

1.  During the 11 years that Hamish's Vermont SSP school      has been
operating, I have seen many adults start from ground
zero and progress to amazing heights.  These adults are
highly motivated, and their playing is a testament to the
countless hours spent in practice. Because over 10 folks
return to the School year after year, I am in a unique position
to witness the progress.  Most of these folks are in their 30s,
40s and 50s.

2.  But, you say, SSP are not GHB.  True, but many of the
same folks also have picked up GHB, and have demonstrated significant
progress in that arena as well.

3.  In discounting adult learners, you discount, at your loss,
the impressive backgrounds many of these folks bring to
Scottish music through playing, extremely well, other instruments.
Experienced Scottish fiddlers in particular are able to bring to the pipes
expression lacking in many far more technically-abled GHB players.

4.  In large part due to the likes of John Mitchell, I have avoided
the competition scene like the plague.  I did, though, out of
intense curiosity attend the Montreal games.  The fine top
bands competing - NRP, COW and Peel, were impressive
and exciting.  My previous exposure to bands was limited to
Grades 5,4 & 3 at places like Loon.  At Montreal, I listened,
carefully and for several hours, to the Grade I and Open solo
competitions.  I was struck by, and stood in awe of, the
technical proficiency the likes of which my 44-yr-old fingers
will never achieve.  I was appalled, however, by the many
players producing a robotic, stilted and soulless approach to
the music.  Yes, every f**king e-doubling was perfectly in
place, but music was lacking.  If that is what solo competition
is about, then I want no part.

5.  Recently, I performed at a concert in Middlebury, Vermont
I did my usual thing, and was approached afterward by a
vacationing Grade I level PM from Pennsylvania, who complemented the
musical aspect of my playing, and the interesting and compelling settings
of the tunes.  My pipes
were perfectly in tune, drones entirely solid, and my fingers,
that day at least, dead on.  All self-taught, with occasional
help from friends, and occasional tips from the NG - even
Royce, who can be very helpful in private posts.  I have yet
to see a single helpful point from Lindsay or John.

6.  Adult learners have much to bring to the GHB world, far
more than acknowledged by the likes of John.  For example,
those learning first on SSPs know, unlike most GHBers, that
ornaments played the same way, and as often, on the SSPs
as originally learned on the GHBs, result in a muddied,
inappropriate and illogical sound.  I had a few delightful
interactions with Jim McGillivray at North Hero, who seemed
wonderfully open minded about the ideas being discussed,
and demonstrated, in Gary West's classes and lectures
(feel free to jump in here, Jim, and disagree if you like).
Too bad that Jim's willingness to listen is, in my opinion, the
exception, not the rule.

I guess that's all for now.  Just know, John, that some of us
can tune, maintain the instrument, and even play in a
reasonably competent and attractive manner without the likes
of you looking over our shoulder.  You might want try opening
your ears and your eyes to the experiences of adult learners.

Cheers, Matt.  Fire away folks!







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