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bagpipe-digest      Thursday, September 30 1999      Volume 01 : Number 104




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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:02:03 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Mouth blown smallpipes

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:11:54 -0400, "Lindsay Kirkwood"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>
>Royce Lerwick <[e-mail]> wrote in message > >Contact Steven
>Davis at ,
>> >[e-mail]
>>
>> I'd love to, but that URL just gives me a WebTV site
>
>Ummmm Royce! that's an E-mail address.
>
It's also the Web TV URL.

Royce

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Date: 30 Sep 1999 16:49:15 GMT
From: [e-mail] (ALIXGUNN)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Neil Dickie question

>The hornpipe setting is in his first book. I also personally like the first
tune in the "First Book" entitled "the kitchenpiper". I think you will too
if you like "clumsy lover".<
    I always liked "Not the Bunny Hop". And I really like the way they set up
the pages......"Clumsy Lover" followed on the page with "F-f-f-f-f-rustration".




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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:42:55 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Good Practice Chanter

On 30 Sep 1999 04:35:12 GMT, [e-mail] (SENDMEMORESPAM) wrote:

>>Who makes a good
>>practice chanter for a young girl with exceptionally short fingers who is
>>determined to play the Lowland pipes one day?
>
>Any chanter that can convince her to play the HIGHLAND pipes instead should
>suffice. ;?)~

Well, you know I don't usually promote my own stuff on the NG unless
someone forces me into it by saying my practice chanters are crap when
all I'm really doing is telling someone how to put wax on dry hemp for
a better seal, but:

www2.wavetech.net/~shetland

and look at the "Buzzpipe" link. There are also demos of the chanter
playing some songs from my CRAP tunebook, on the Zetland Tunebook
page, along with three of the CRAP tunes from the CRAP book.

Royce

(Just thought I'd save everyone time, oh yeah, forgot: The chanters
are blackwood, full-length, very unique and comfortable in feel and
design, with sterling silver ferrules. Don't have the art ivory ones
right now, and, oh yeah, almost forgot again: THEY'RE CRAP!!)

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Date: 30 Sep 1999 19:03:17 GMT
From: [e-mail] (ALIXGUNN)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: What's it all about?

>Not really. You go to the grade 1 circle, and if the band is playing there,
it's a grade 1 band.<

   And I guess by that definition, St. Thomas was a Grade 1 band when it bit
the dust. Didn't sound like much more than a grade 2 band, but they certainly
did march into the grade 1 circle.

   Life sure is simple in your little universe.




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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:04:05 -0400
From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: What's it all about?

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:45:10 GMT, [e-mail] (Royce
Lerwick) wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:29:36 -0400, Chris Hamilton
><[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
>>I've heard them ... it's a Grade 1 band ...
>
>That's an intersting concept, since I generally consider a band I'm
>plaing in to be in the grade we play in.

You know quite well what I mean - they're playing at a Grade 1
standard.

>>There IS a difference, but it can be hard to tell the middle-to-lower
>>Grade 1 from the very good Grade 2.

>Not really. You go to the grade 1 circle, and if the band is playing
>there, it's a grade 1 band.

Uh, some of the Grade 1 bands I've heard over the years were "in name
only."

Chris
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City of Washington Pipe Band
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:05:51 -0400
From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: What's it all about?

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:45:10 GMT, [e-mail] (Royce
Lerwick) wrote:

>Not really. You go to the grade 1 circle, and if the band is playing
>there, it's a grade 1 band.

Then explain the City of Glasgow band ... they were Grade 1 for nearly
15 years, recently always near the bottom of the pack.

They were downgraded to Grade 2, and weren't even in contention for
the Grade 2 prize.

A band can be in the wrong grade for several years sometimes before
they're moved one way or the other.

Chris
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Date: 30 Sep 1999 17:47:51 GMT
From: [e-mail] (SENDMEMORESPAM)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Mouth blown smallpipes

>OK, Bill,

I wasn't in this thread...
Bill
(This posts cleared by J. Mitchell )
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:09:58 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Time spent in each grade level

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick) wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:51:57 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:
> Well, that's what all the MacAlester College soloists in grade 1 had
> been told before going to Pleasanton, including the MWPBA champion
> supreme and a few more who'd been doing quite well on the Ontario solo
> circuit. Then they got their asses  handed to them to the man.
>

Thats encourgaging, I guess.  Maybe it won't be such a big change when
I go to the East coast.  By the way Royce, I've been meaning to ask you-
 Whats the deal with MacAlester?  I'm applying to that school, and I
went up there to visit to see the campus, etc.  I left their PM 2
emails, called him once at his house, and twice at work, and he still
never contacted me!  When we got there, we met a couple of the band
members who were really nice and told us about the band, but never did
hear from the PM.  What gives?  Cheers,

                                                Alex


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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:31:26 GMT
From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shut the Fuck Up & Play!!!

In article <7t0jke$l6a$[e-mail]>,
  Marc DuBois <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Damn - you guys are pretty rough on here...
But
> the real reason I posted is that I wanted to get in on the god damned
> fucking swearing going on. You bunch of asshole prick sons-a-bitches.
> Whew - I feel better. Thanks for letting me vent.
> --
> Marc DuBois

Now you cut that out.  Before I bust a gut.

Pat


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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:53:25 GMT
From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: What's it all about?

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (ALIXGUNN) wrote:
> >> When you teach anything to another person, it requires that you
examine your
> own understanding of the subject.<<
> >If we all took that much time to think about our own understanding of
a
> subject, then we may miss the chance to share an idea.<
>     Which is how misinterpretation happens/
> misinformation is passed on.

Possibly.  But, I was talking about sharing ideas, not cramming it down
someones throat.  Professing that to others as the only way to educate
people is condescending.

Pat


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Date: 30 Sep 1999 22:11:22 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Trish Dean's Phone #? (Goshen Games)

I'm competing at the Goshen games this Sat.  haven't received a confirmation
with my play times, and I tried to contact Trish Dean but there's no phone
number for her (or Art) listed at that address.  I did send some email to her,
but I'd rather call her.

Can anybody help me out?

Thanks,

Zu

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Date: 30 Sep 1999 22:59:22 GMT
From: [e-mail] (SENDMEMORESPAM)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trish Dean's Phone #? (Goshen Games)

>I'm competing at the Goshen games this Sat.  haven't received a confirmation
>with my play times, and I tried to contact Trish Dean but there's no phone
>number for her (or Art) listed at that address.  I did send some email to
>her,
>but I'd rather call her.
>
>Can anybody help me out?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Zu

Let me know too! I sent email, and rec'd a reply saying I'd get the comp forms
in the mail, nothing. When I tried calling, no phone number.
Hope this isn't an indication of how well the games will be run.
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:21:44 GMT
From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The "Right" Bagpipe

Maeve wrote > "No, I didn't mean  to purchase it with this in mind. What I
said is "It just MIGHT be . . . " The human condition is complex. You don't
know what will end up driving anyone to anything. How do you explain
passions? They just are. This was meant as an example as it happened for me.
I was at a
standstill when Angus found me. Just the beautiful, rich, full sound made me
WANT to improve so that I could contribute to the full potential of Angus! I
would never be so narrow in thought that I would suggest that this be a
reason for purchasing a pipe."


Yes, the human condition is complex.  Perhaps owning a Henderson and still
not being able to produce quality sound might be all that's needed to push
someone over the edge.... cause them to go postal.  'member my "helping
hand" theory?  Honesty is the only policy.  You can't fall off the floor.

And yes, you are passionate.  You are also intensely competitive.  That's
what motivates you to not quit!  There will come a day when you look back
and realize just how far you have come, and just where you were at this
point in time.  And you will smile.


Maeve wrote > "When you can define truth, your statement will be accepted as
such. What you said is that it takes the skills of a top level player to be
"worthy" of such an instrument. What this said to me is that "worthy" is
limited only to skill? Worthy is a single-faceted entity for which love,
desire, and other elements of passion don't qualify? So if the truth is that
I don't have the skill, then so be it. . .  in your eyes, I am not worthy."


I said...  "...worthy (musically)..."  I did not discount other qualities.
I simply limited my truth to a musical perspective.  You, dahling, are most
worthy.  However, if you were to line up 10 pipers who were equal in every
way except that 3 of those pipers were more accomplished musically, and you
had 3 sets of old MacDougalls and 7 sets of ...er, Bowen drones, who would
you give the MacDougalls to?  ah, gotcha!


"HOWEVER . . . . when they put a 454 super-charged, fully bored engine with
a full race cam on the Henderson and leave pedals on the Paki, I'll make my
choice based on my skill level. Right now, it is no more dangerous for me to
play good or best pipes. Well, thinking of it . .. it is dangerous for me to
pick up ANY pipe! :) :) :)"

"I do love you, Ringo . .  just remember that when I push this sword through
your heart! :) :) :) "


I fear not, dear Maeve, for I have a heart of steel.
Some would say to match my head!

Ringo


Maeve <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:01bf0b74$4a47e200$[e-mail]...
> Ron Bowen <[e-mail]> wrote in article
> <twNI3.3$[e-mail]>...
> > Maeve, warrior princess, thou slayeth me.
>
> Ringo, my Joy . . . ::Maeve draws her broadsword . . . ::
>
> > Maeve wrote > "But the good set will sound better than an inferior
> quality
> > set even with a poor piper. It just might be the driving force to create
> a
> > better piper as in my case!!!! "
> >
> > I simply don't agree, on either count.  To purchase a classic bagpipe in
> > hopes that it will "drive" a person to become a better piper isn't
> logical.
>
> No, I didn't mean  to purchase it with this in mind. What I said is "It
> just MIGHT be . . . " The human condition is complex. You don't know what
> will end up driving anyone to anything. How do you explain passions? They
> just are. This was meant as an example as it happened for me. I was at a
> standstill when Angus found me. Just the beautiful, rich, full sound made
> me WANT to improve so that I could contribute to the full potential of
> Angus! I would never be so narrow in thought that I would suggest that
this
> be a reason for purchasing a pipe.
>
> > Maeve, is it cruel and condescending to suggest that someone learn to
> ride a
> > bicycle before he or she buys a Harley?  Where does it say that the
truth
> > must never hurt?  I do not discount that my words might have stung
> somewhat,
> > however it was not my intention.  My intention was to speak the truth.
>
> When you can define truth, your statement will be accepted as such. What
> you said is that it takes the skills of a top level player to be "worthy"
> of such an instrument. What this said to me is that "worthy" is limited
> only to skill? Worthy is a single-faceted entity for which love, desire,
> and other elements of passion don't qualify? So if the truth is that I
> don't have the skill, then so be it. . .  in your eyes, I am not worthy.
> HOWEVER . . . . when they put a 454 super-charged, fully bored engine with
> a full race cam on the Henderson and leave pedals on the Paki, I'll make
my
> choice based on my skill level. Right now, it is no more dangerous for me
> to play good or best pipes. Well, thinking of it . .. it is dangerous for
> me to pick up ANY pipe! :) :) :)
>
> I do love you, Ringo . .  just remember that when I push this sword
through
> your heart! :) :) :)
>
> --
> Love and Light be with you,
> Maeve
> http://people.delphi.com/terralyn
> [e-mail]
>
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Date: 30 Sep 1999 23:21:21 GMT
From: [e-mail] (SENDMEMORESPAM)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: What's it all about?

>>Not really. You go to the grade 1 circle, and if the band is playing there,
>it's a grade 1 band.<
>
>   And I guess by that definition, St. Thomas was a Grade 1 band when it bit
>the dust. Didn't sound like much more than a grade 2 band, but they certainly
>did march into the grade 1 circle.
>
>   Life sure is simple in your little universe.

No its just very complicated in yours, where you need to "re-judge" every band,
and decide for yourself where they really stand. I thought that was for the
governing body to decide... No matter HOW good or bad they sound, they're
standing in a gr1 circle, they ARE a grade1 band until the (slow moving)
governing body declares otherwise. They may not deserve to be there, but
they're there.
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: 30 Sep 1999 23:01:50 GMT
From: [e-mail] (SENDMEMORESPAM)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shut the Fuck Up & Play!!!

>But
>> the real reason I posted is that I wanted to get in on the god damned
>> fucking swearing going on. You bunch of asshole prick sons-a-bitches.
>> Whew - I feel better. Thanks for letting me vent.
>> --
>> Marc DuBois
>
>Now you cut that out.  Before I bust a gut.
>
>Pat
>

See it's catchy huh? LOL! You should see the private emails that fly around
here...

Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: 30 Sep 1999 23:31:34 GMT
From: [e-mail] (SENDMEMORESPAM)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: What's it all about?

>I wouldn't know Royce ,therr I mean
>Pat.

You think hes Royce? LOLOLOL
Paranoia setting in? Theres Royce behind that tree! Theres Royce in that
passing car! Theres Royce... Well you got the idea.
Bill
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:16:54 GMT
From: John Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shut the Fuck Up & Play!!!

Royce Lerwick <[e-mail]> wrote in message >
> Gee, and here it was me thinking it was you talking about pipes you've
> never seen nor heard, a PM you don't know anything about from
> associations you've never travelled to, in bands you've never heard,
> who wrote a book you've never read.

So far Royce, your credentials are batting a1000 with
you supporting no names pipes and being in bands and
organisations nobody has heard of.

Are you sure your not in the eye witness protection program?
Your past doesn't seem to exist!

> But you don't play with any of those bands anymore.

Right, that's because I'm in a Band that has is own
band hall, with a pub built into it.
We own a bus that has a built in bar that takes
us to all the games which is a nice benifit too!

We have a butt load of money, so it doesn't cost
us any money to travel to the games and
all hotels are paid for. The trip to Scotland
cost each member a grand sum of $100.00

So why wouldn't I want to play in a band like this one?
Especially when it has the calibre of a GR1 band!

> >When people pickup that PC for the first time, they
> >should also realize that their entering into a world
> >that they have absolutely no idea of what it's all about!
> >
>
> Blababababablbababasameoblamolamo....
>
> Royce

OK Royce, here's the question of the century.

If your so knowledgeable, and know all the tips and tricks
of the GHP, ran so many bands and managed to write
a book, then why the fuck can't you play the instrument?

Just wondering

John


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Date: 30 Sep 1999 23:13:38 GMT
From: [e-mail] (SENDMEMORESPAM)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The "Right" Bagpipe

>If it has value to
>that one person, and makes that one person feel enjoyment, I say that is
>just as important as music played for a judge.

Great post Lura! I only wish your opinion counted LOL
Bill
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:24:56 GMT
From: John Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shut the Fuck Up & Play!!!

oshpiper <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Let's just shit-can it now, because the guy
> doesn't have as much time or experince in the game as you.

Is that what you got from my post!

Your reading comprehension is shit, all that
posts says is to be aware of the information
that comes from the net, as none of it is
verified.

It's not about me, where did you get that from?

John





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Date: 30 Sep 1999 23:57:12 GMT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Millennium March question

I love it!  This is the true purpose of the newsgroup.  'The story behind
the story' sort of crap that can save us all a lot of running around
chasing bullshit.  So screecher, how do you REALLY feel about piping in
Edinburgh?
Nice post!

Screecher <[e-mail]> wrote in article
> Why should we take part in something to promote the city of edinburgh
when
> that same city does absolutley nothing to promote piping??? In fact
> Edinburgh goes out of its way to discourage piping and the locals hate
> piping, all they ever see is the tartan kitsch or the bloody awful
buskers
> on Princes street. Most local bands will, I hope, have nothing to do with
> all this crap.
> All the bands  who are in scotland for the competitions at this time of
> year...
> BEWARE .You will get NO thanks NO payment NO satisfaction  and you will
be
> made to feel as if you are in the way as soon as this parade is over.
When
> you will be absolutly nackered and wondering why the hell you did it.
>  The organizers will go around patting themselves on the back and
laughing
> at you all behind your back.
>
> Give it a miss and make these people appreciate us as musicians first...
>
>
>

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Date: 30 Sep 1999 23:59:39 GMT
From: [e-mail] (SENDMEMORESPAM)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shut the Fuck Up & Play!!!

>Are you sure your not in the eye witness protection program?

I thought it was "the Jehova-witness" program? Theres no such thing as the
"eye" witness program LOL
Bill
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:44:19 GMT
From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The "Right" Bagpipe

Luramao, I'm impressed that you posted this.  It is an excellent view from
"the other side."  To me, however, it still does not stand up to close
scrutiny.

Your advice to Glen was: "However, overwhelmingly, it seems if you want a
REALLY GOOD set, what you want is an older set.  Skip the Naill.  Go for the
Hendersons, Robertsons, etc.  Everyone seems to agree that they are the
absolute, untouchable best.  You ought to get one of them if you can afford
it."

Let's change instruments for a moment.  Can you see giving this same advice
to someone who can squawk out a few tunes on a violin?  "Everybody says that
Stradivarius is the best.  You ought to get one if you can afford it."  The
answer to that is simple.  No, you wouldn't.  Why?  Because it doesn't make
sense.  So why does it make sense with the GHB.  Is it because we believe
that there is an endless supply of these classic pipes around?  Is it
because we are not knowledgeable enough to really appreciate what a classic
bagpipe can produce?  Is it because we do not yet understand what is
involved in the production and presentation of the highest form of this art?
Perhaps all of the above?

Now I'm leaning on you a bit here.  Put yourself in the shoes of an open
class player.  You have dedicated your life to this music and you pride
yourself in everything about it.  How would you feel about someone making
the statement that you made to Glen?  How would you feel if we were talking
about the last Henderson?

Luramao, I started out saying that you wrote a good post.  You did.  You
have caused me to think much on this topic and hopefully others too.  No, we
don't agree.  Maybe in time, I will come to see your point of view or
perhaps you will come to see mine.  Hopefully I will play my Henderson for
many years yet and hopefully I won't take your advice when it's time to part
with it.  As a matter of fact, if you aspire to the point where you need a
instrument like my horn, well, I sure hope there's one or two left that you
can afford.  It would be a pity and a shame if the "right" pipe didn't end
up with the "right" piper.  For the piper, for the pipe, and for an
appreciative audience.

Good Piping
Ringo

PS.  By the way, I'm not slagging anyone out there who owns one of these
"classic" pipes who's not playing open solo or Grade 1.  Just appreciate
what you have, honor it by playing with pride and dignity, maintain it in
the highest standard, and when it's time to part with it, don't just sell it
to the highest bidder.  Thanks.

Luramao <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> What you all "big guys" seem to forget is that you are not "The
> Bagpiping."  Grade 1 bands and players are a very small minority.  The
> vast majority of people in this world who love bagpipes are either non
> players at all, or "hacks", or people who play at gigs/funerals, etc, or
> people in the lower level of band or solo competitions.
>
> However, these are the people who buy most of the products and buy most
> of the tickets to games and other events.  If bagpiping consisted of or
> was dependent on only the grade 1 people, it would very quickly choke
> and die as any kind of a large scale activity.  You guys could support m
> aybe one or two games a year and perhaps two dealers.
>
> Businesses, sports, activities, or whatever, that forget the little
> people find out the hard way where their main source of money and
> enthusiasm comes from.  Forget the little people and just gear yourself
> to the big guys and you're cutting your throat.
>
> There ought to be no problem with a grade 3 player owning a top set of
> pipes.   But what if he was just a hack, but was a hack who loved
> bagpipes.  You're saying he can't own a fine instrument to love and
> cherish?   Why not.   Certainly there are enough Hendersons et al to go
> around for the grade 1 people.  Using Maeve's example, it would be like
> saying all those hot rodders on the street would have to  limit
> themselves to Geo Metro's and couldn't own the 464 Corvette, or even the
> Z28 Camaro.
> I mean, come one.  People should be allowed to support their passion in
> life, whatever it is.  If some "incompetent" player owned a fine
> instrument, I surely think that would motivate him very hard to play
> better anyway.  And, if that's what motivates this person's enthusiasm
> for bagpipes, fine.  At least if he's enthused, he'll go out for the
> games and competitions, and probably spend some money for the dealers,
> and we all win that way.  Tell him he's not good enough to own it, and
> he'll most likely turn sour and take his interest and his m oney
> elsewhere. That's not what we want.
>
> Also, re a poor player owing a fine instrument.
> If somebody's just getting into this activity and is at the point where
> he's ready to lay out the bucks for the full pipes, provided he can
> afford it, what's wrong with wanting the best.  If you have the best to
> begin with, it means (a) you are probably planning on progressing up to
> wherever your ability will eventually take you, and (b) having the best
> to start with, you can know that what you have will take you all the way
> to the top, and you won't have to stop in midstream, get another
> instrument and readjust your playing to the new one.   For instance, I'm
> a newbie.  I happened to have lucked into a set of Lawries.  I think
> they are pretty good, but am not competent enough yet to judge for sure.
> I would hope they are a good set because I am going to compete.  With an
> outdated chanter, when I bought a new one, I bought what I thought was
> the best.  With it, I know that whatever inferior skills I have, I can
> go as far as I can with this chanter.  One less thing to worry about.
> Ron, really, wouldn't it be really the best possible world if absolutely
> every beginner who graduates to full pipes could have Henderson or
> eqivalent?  Why would you want anybody to have less than the best?
>
> And, besides that, what if someone just plain old likes the music and
> only plays for self or family - Who says the music has no value unles it
> is played in a grade 1 circle in front of judges? If it has value to
> that one person, and makes that one person feel enjoyment, I say that is
> just as important as music played for a judge.
>
> And I say that of bagpiping as a whole - playing in the Worlds is fine,
> BUT.  Recently I watched as the NRP won at Altamont.  Fine, I was
> impressed.  But, I never saw the results announced on the evening news
> (nor even the Worlds), and I didn't read about it in either of the two
> newspapers I get.   However, a couple of weekends later, at two
> different colleges, new presidents were inducted, and at both
> ceremonies, there were clips on the local news of the new presidents at
> the ceremony WITH BAGPIPES PLAYING.  Both times, the newspapers
> mentioned that when the people had been inducted, and there were BAGPIPE
> BANDS THERE.  One band was even mentioned by name.  Or, any time there
> is a local parade, guess who gets on the local tv news?  Yep! You got
> it.
>
> Maybe 10,000 or 15,000 or whatever, people went to Altamont; but at
> least a couple of hundred thousand were exposed to those bagpipes on the
> tv clips of the college ceremonies.   In the course of a year, hundreds
> of thousands see the pipe bands in the parades.   The people who play in
> ceremonies, parades, etc, are just as IMPORTANT as you are!
>
> So, its all very well and nice to win the competitions, but so far as
> exposure to the public, you big guys are NOWHERE, and its all the little
> guys that are taking the instrument and its music out there to the great
> unknowing public.  So, who are YOU to say that all us people who go out
> there and meet the people, don't deserve to play the best?  Guys, you
> got it all backwards!
>
> The bagpipe is a musical instrument.   The people who play it are
> musicians.  Bagpipe playing is an art.  And, like all arts, art is in
> the eye of the beholder.   And no one has the right to say one
> expression of that are is of more value than another form of its
> expression.  Any artist deserves the finest instruments he/she can get!
>
> LuraMao, whose opinions dont count because I've never stood inside a
> grade 1 circle!!!!!!!!
>
>                              !!
>



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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:28:14 -0500
From: Richard Mao <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reaming out chanters

Hi....my experience FWIW

I had heard the same advice.....

Back in 1987 I bought / had selected for me by a wonderful piper with a really
fine piano tuner's ear... a David Naill chanter... I've played it for my solos
ever since... and this year was considering having its throat reamed out to
original dimensions...

but as a precaution and because I didn't want to be without a solo chanter, I
bought another Naill chanter... on the theory I could sell it again when my
original came back refurbished... and be out very little money on net...

I then installed and carefully broke in new chanter reeds having as close to the
same characteristics, strength, volume, responsiveness as I could determine.....
in both chanters so I could make a sound comparison
............................no difference!!!!!!!!  they both still sound
wonderful... same characteristics... same responsiveness and balanced volume
from top to bottom hand.... I can swap chanter reeds... no difference....

it was still expensive, though... I can't bring myself to sell the new
chanter... so I now have a backup chanter/reed setup... if I need to play a long
time on the full pipes.... I can switch after an hour or so of practice/playing
and within 5 minutes be back at the same pitch and stability as before... (I had
offers at piping school from a piper who tried to cajole me out of the
chanter....that I didn't need to hog two...world class chanters... heh, heh)

My advice?  Unless, with the best possible reed installed, you detect a
significant deterioration from what you remember.... and you are satisfied with
the sound?..... if it ain't broke.... don't fix it....

Cheers...

When I die, I know IÆm going to heavenà
     IÆve already been through Hell as a member of a pipe bandà

Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( [e-mail] )


Screecher wrote:

> I read somewhere here about an old chanter that didn't sound any good now. I
> can't remember the post and can't be bothered searching through all the
> rubbish on this NG to find it.
>
> What does everybody think about reaming out blackwood chanters fairly
> regularly.
> I have in the past scrapped chanters that have gone bad only later to be
> told that I should have taken the chanter back to the manufacturer to be
> reamed out. Apparently the wood fibres grow into the throat and cock up the
> sound.
> Any views or points on this????


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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:04:21 -0500
From: Richard Mao <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Hempless bagpipes

Oops...

Two additional thoughts on the O-ring design...

The O-rings (as any rubber gasket kind of thing) still need to be lubricated
(probably silicon spray?) or the rubber can abrade/stretch and not slide as
smoothly... I've seen in practice chanters where the O-ring was pushed out of its
groove...

Second... I've seen in practice chanters where the O-ring breaks after long use...
and unless you've bought a spare or two from the maker... you'll never find the
right replacement locally. Or else, you're back to hemping the joint...

Finally, you asked about the reed protector?....no experience, no opinion....

Cheers..

When I die, I know IÆm going to heavenà
     IÆve already been through Hell as a member of a pipe bandà

Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( [e-mail] )



> <snipped>
>
> Peter Watson wrote:
>
> > I've been looking at a website with hemp less joints called Cameron
> > Bagpipes, http://www.bagpipes.freeuk.com
> >
> > Has anyone any experience of these pipes.  The tone, and any comments about
> > their reed protector.
> >
> > Thanks, Pete


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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:22:34 -0400
From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shut the Fuck Up & Play!!!

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:16:54 GMT, John Mitchell
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Right, that's because I'm in a Band that has is own
>band hall, with a pub built into it.
>We own a bus that has a built in bar that takes
>us to all the games which is a nice benifit too!
>
>We have a butt load of money, so it doesn't cost
>us any money to travel to the games and
>all hotels are paid for. The trip to Scotland
>cost each member a grand sum of $100.00

That's it for me !!!!   I'm emigrating to Ontario !!!!  I hear the P/S
slot is open ...

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Hamilton -- [e-mail]
City of Washington Pipe Band
http://toneczar.freeservers.com/

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