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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:26:45 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: HEMP

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] wrote:

> Fourth, I was asked about using unwaxed hemp...e.g. on the tuning
slides...my
> correspondent felt that he was successful enough...and was told that
waxed hemp would
> melt and allow the drone top to slip down in hot weather....

And now a word from the heretic.

I'm using the very same silicone grease I use on the rubber parts of my
SCUBA regulator.  It's chemically inert and thermally stable.

If someone can say beeswax and black wax are absolutely inert then I
will go back to it.

Mark


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Date: 10 Aug 1999 10:56:22 GMT
From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Top 10 Hints for Improving

>>to improve. They only played their pipes the night of band practise.
>>
>So they're well above my own local hackers, since they're still
>playing at practice then?
>
>Royce

Hey,
Lets not start a "my hackers are worse than your hackers" pissing contest. I
got some classic subjects to work with around here.

Overheard two weeks ago.

 "And you don't even need to be good to make money"
>>to improve. They only played their pipes the night of band practise.
>>
>So they're well above my own local hackers, since they're still
>playing at practice then?
>
>Royce



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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 00:53:57 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Top 10 Hints for Improving

In article <[e-mail]>,
  "ddave" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Think of it this way!! You learn while you watch. I have played with
> the best bands in this country ( Canada) as a drummer... I have
> learned pipes for the last 8 years and have watched and listened to
> the pipey.
>
> I will agree with John on this. Amatuers should not tune. [...]
> [...]
> Think again!!!  Where does the College of Piping Tutor book teach you
> tuning???????????????

College of Piping, Book 2, Page 61.  Note that Book 1 and Book 3 are
just about _tunes_ - Book 2 is about playing the pipes themselves.

Seumas MacNeill has quite a good description of the process here, but
I think it would be better if he mentioned something about listening
for the "beats" that you can hear when the tuning is somewhere between
being "nearly in-tune" and "badly out-of-tune", but it's still very
practical advice for learning how to tune the drones.  The relevant
section reads like this:

<<begin quotation>>

Now when you blow up your bagpipe you will have both the chanter and
this [tenor] drone sounding together.  It is necessary of course to
have them in tune with one another, and to do this you go through the
following procedure:

    1)  Start with the top joint of the drone as high up as possible --
        you can be pretty sure then that the drone is too flat and
        needs to be shortened.  Play low A and listen.

    2)  Now bring the top joint down a quarter of an inch.  Play low A
        again and listen.  Try to decide if this is an improvement or
        not by saying to yourself "Better" or "Worse."

    3)  Bring the top joint down another quarter of an inch and play
        low A once more.  Again decide wheter this is better than the
        time before.

    4)  Continue coming down about a quarter of an inch at a time until
        you are certain that the blend of the low A with the drone is
        getting _worse_.

    5)  Now start moving the joint up an eighth of an inch at a time,
        playing low A after each adjustment and deciding whether your
        move has been an improvement or not.

    6)  When you think the tuning is getting worse again, bring the
        drone down a little bit.

    7)  Now is the stage when an expert player will start to make tiny
        adjustments and will continue these for quite a while until the
        drone is perfectly in tune.  Do not worry about these final
        touches at the present.  Be content with having the drone
        approximately in tune at the moment.  In any case you will
        probably not be able to hear the fine differences just now, for
        although the ability to tune perfectly will come in time, it
        cannot be rushed.

If you find it very difficult to decide when the drone is in tune, do
not worry.  _Everbody has the same problem at first_.  It is only after
many attempts to tune that your ear developes the ability to match
the two notes accurately.

<<end of quotation>>

Note that he insists on tuning the drones _as soon as the beginner is
starting to play them_.  But he says nothing about tuning the chanter -
your first task is to learn to hear when the drones are in tune with
the chanter;  learning to tune the chanter itself is hardly possible
until you have a pretty good idea what you're listening to.  In the
meantime, you have to develop your ear.

Bruce C. Wright


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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:47:46 GMT
From: "Screecher" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Thoughts on electronic tuners..what 's the setting?

Okay ..... I have allready tried this and this is the story....
I open control panel then multimedia ...... in audio bit of window is a
scale from low to high but I cannot adjust this, when I click on help it
tells me that this can only be adjusted by the device itself, I copied this
bit

'Adjusts the volume of the sounds you record using your computer's audio
hardware. The recording volume affects how loud sounds are when you play
them back. This setting is unavailable if you must physically change the
volume on your audio hardware and cannot change it using software.'

Prefered device is set as 'sound system record (534)' whatever that means
and prefered quality is 'radio quality'.

Any help is apreciated.

As this may not be of interest to others please email response to
[e-mail] if you prefer.


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Date: 21 Aug 1999 09:10:34 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) RE: New Sig File

>>Usted tiene meirda para cabasa.
>Jeeze, you use latin too? Por que?
>

Si!  Actually I'm not too sure on the other words, but the "Meirda para cabasa"
part should survive the translation.
Bill
Usted tiene meirda para cabasa.

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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 04:49:14 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pakastani Pipes, Why Not?

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Ccc31807) wrote:
> My first set of pipes was a set of "cocuswood" pipes from Pakistan.
> They cost $300 new.  They appeared to be of passible quality when I
> got them.  Not spectacular, but not junk, either.

Note to other readers:  "cocuswood" is in quotes for a good reason.
True cocus does not grow anywhere near Pakistan (it's from the islands
in the Caribbean, as I recall) and is actually a very good instrument
wood.  One piper in our band has a set of turn-of-the-century Stark
pipes made out of cocus;  it's a beautiful set and sounds very nice.
Cocus is, however, frightfully expensive (even more so than blackwood)
because it has been nearly logged out.  No possible way that it would
ever be used for cheap pipes ...

> To play them I added a chanter ($110), bag  ($70), drone and chanter
> reeds ($65), and valve ($3).  To improve their appearance and make
> them presentable in public, I added a bag ($10) and cords ($15).  I
> also needed to repair the blowstick and a drone top, that were
> defective to the extent that they were unusable.
>
> I had $573 in the pipe, which was playable to the extent that I could
> use it both in solo competition and band competition.  The average
> listener wouldn't be able to tell the make of the pipe by the sound.
>
> I would recommend that a person consider Paki pipes only under these
> two circumstances: he is so poor that the choice is between Paki
> pipes and no pipes, or he is so unsure of his fitness to be a piper
> that he doesn't want to invest in a good quality set.  Even then, I
> would state as a FACT that Paki chanters, bags, and reeds are of such
> poor quality that the buyer should expect to purchase these items to
> add to his Paki pipes.  If you do not fit into one of these
> categories, buy a used set or a new set.  Dunbar, Pettigrew, and
> Booth are presently the most price competitive of new pipes.

I will second all of these comments.  I have seen SOME Pakistani drones
that could be made playable, but I have NEVER seen a Pakistani bag that
was adequate or a chanter that you'd want to play in public (and
usually not even in private).

In addition, the quality of the drones has a huge variation:  all the
way from mediocre to positively dreadful.  It's common to find that the
drone bores have not even had the wood shavings blown out of them, let
alone any polishing;  they often look and feel as if they had been
bored out with a chain saw, if such a thing were possible.  Very often
the first order of business is to try to get the bores cleaned out and
polished;  sometimes after all the refinishing and re-outfitting you
get an almost reasonable set and sometimes you don't.  Unfortunately,
most of the vendors don't even allow returns if you _haven't_ made any
modifications to the instrument :-(.

I've had various students come to me saying that they had bought such
things, and had the joy (?) of trying to get them playable.  One thing
that you might not think of if you're a beginning piper is that you
can't just put a canmore bag on them;  the fact that the stocks are
smaller than the usual size for sets made in Britain or North America
means that you're likely to leak around all of the stocks where they
go through the bag.  So your first task is likely to be tying in a good
leather or sheepskin bag ... not recommended if you aren't already
familiar with the process.  Until you do that, the things won't even
hold air, let alone sound good.

By contrast, if you get a Dunbar or Kintail from a reputable dealer,
you'd be able to return it if it was defective, and it won't cost you
that much more than the upgraded Paki set.  More importantly, you won't
have to spend your first couple of months or so trying to figure out
how to make it playable since it will have already been done for you!!
Personally, for a budget set I'd probably go with the Dunbar even
though it's poly;  the Kintail pipes seem to have gone downhill in
recent years (and I was never overly fond of them to begin with).  The
Dunbars aren't about to challenge Henderson, but when set up well they
sound OK -- much better than any Paki -- and they will stand up to
quite a beating (no need to worry about cracks).

Stay far away from Paki sets unless you really know what you're doing!
The pipes from reputable makers will hold their value, so you'll be
able to sell them for about what you have in them (assuming that you
haven't abused them);  not so with the Pakis, which you'll probably be
lucky to unload for half what you paid for them.

Good luck,

Bruce C. Wright


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Date: 9 Aug 1999 01:05:05 GMT
From: "Matthew Wood" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) help w/ hat size

I have a customer asking to convert his hat size 7 7/8 US size to European
or English size.  I do not know why he has this request, but I am trying to
fulfill it.

Any help is appreciated!

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:17:49 GMT
From: "Lorne MacDougall" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Piob Mhor > BagpipeMusicWriter Convertor available.

Ditto

Bill Carr <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> This is the kind of thing that really makes participation in this ng
worthhile.
>
> A great big THANK YOU to you Dougie.
>
> Bill Carr
>
> Dougie Lindsay wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > My software is now updated to accomodate conversion from Piob Mhor to
> > Bagpipe Music Writer with minor limitations.
> >
> > There are two limitations at this time and I would be most greatfull for
> > some assistance on these 2 (five minute to fix) problems.
> >
> > 1. Can't generate the correct 'tail's' from BGP files for BMW format
tied
> > notes. e.g. Tune's play perfectly but the display is not 100%.
> >
> > This is something to do with beats to the bar / timing / which notes
should
> > be tied ? (excuse - i'm a novice)  e.g.  how do I decipher 'E8' from
> > PiobMhor  to be :- a left tie / a right tie /a dicky bow tie ???????
Help
> > !!!. (Dr. Macmillan step forward please).
> >
> > 2. Related to above problem, can't determine which notes should be
'held'
> > and groups of 3 (Dark Isle for example).
> >
> > Sorry to make this update sound grim, but it works great apart from the
> > above. I'm working on this and will issue a new release shortly.
> >
> > For those not familiar this 'FREE' software, written 100% by me offers
:-
> >
> > Conversion of Bagpipe Music Writer (.bmw format)  to Piob Mhor (.bgp
format)
> > tune files.
> > Conversion of Piob Mhor (.bgp format) tune files to Bagpipe Music Writer
> > (.bmw format) files.
> > Single, Multiple or Batch conversion.
> > Fast :- 1500 tunes takes 20 seconds on my Pentium P166. (program written
> > using Delphi 4.0).
> > Runs under Windows 95, 98 and Windows NT. Uninstall facility included.
> >
> > Another subject  :- Bagpipe Music Writer Gold
> >
> > I'm very satisfied with Bagpipe Music Writer Gold and am fully enjoying
the
> > benefits. It really is a quality product.
> >
> > My minor gripes have been aired in a previous post and I hope these can
be
> > rectified (my suggestions are minor 'cosmetic things' in programmer
speak).
> >
> > I've rectified one by doing a multiple rename of all '*.bmw'  files to
> > '*.bww;' then running a small, very dirty :) utility which scan's all
the
> > tunes and renames each file from the horrible DOS file convention to the
> > 'Name Of The Tune.bww'.
> >
> > Email me and i'll forward this one to you. I don't have the time right
now
> > to 'polish' this so won't be putting it on my boring web site for now,
also
> > my files are already renamed : ) and I'm getting some practice in
,,,,,,,
> >
> > The Program Update is at :-
> >
> > http://www.free0004983.free4all.co.uk
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Dougie Lindsay
> > Glasgow, Scotland.
>
>
>



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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:31:37 GMT
From: "Screecher" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Thoughts on electronic tuners..what 's the setting?

SB16 Audio Device
C-Media Inc
version 1..
I am getting sound out of the speakers, I am getting no reading on the
tune!it display..

Thanks for all your input.

Email [e-mail] if you prefer.



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Date: 14 Aug 1999 14:26:24 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Ccc31807)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reaming chanters

>>Mad *man*, Mad *dog*, it's such a fine line....
>
>I got confused with all that crap going on in Royce's back yard.
>
>Jim

Would that be *dog*crap or *man*crap?

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:19:37 -0700
From: "Iain Sherwood" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: REGIMENTAL TARTAN

www.army.mod.uk/army  look under infantry - scottish division

Iain Sherwood
Mike <[e-mail]> wrote in message news:[e-mail]...
> Hi
> does anyone know of any sites that have images of Scottish Regimental
> tartans
>
> thanks
> mike



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Date: 10 Aug 1999 11:03:02 GMT
From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Top 10 Hints for Improving

>he sole surviving pipe band in the whole world appeared, marching
>smartly up the street.
>
>And that, my friends, is how the District and Regional Bagpipe Band of
>Pakistan came to be winners of the World Championships!

Bravo!!!

Jim

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Date: 19 Aug 1999 05:24:36 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pakastani Pipes, Why Not?

>Well I am lucky in a way.  Their is Duties on Bagpipes or Pipe Band
>Regalia coming into the US from Pakistan or India.
>Is their a Duty on importing bagpipes from Scotland?


Does it really matter? Of course not!
Who here does not understand this statement? Please let me know if you don't...
 CRAP IS CRAP!!! From a camels ass or a sheeps butt, CRAP IS CRAP! It all
stinks... it's IS garbage!!!
Please let me know if you disagree all you camel traders. But don't try blowin
smoke up our butts, because it won't have much effect on this NG. We DO know
better!

Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri traghadh's ri lionadh.

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Date: 09 Aug 1999 22:09:15 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Top 10 Hints for Improving

>One dark night after
>practise at the pub .....................

they bushwacked the serious pipers, but their Paki dirks broke before they
could do any damage, and the serious pipers kicked some hacker-butt.
Hey... who gets movie rights on this story?
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri traghadh's ri lionadh.

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Date: 11 Aug 1999 18:49:04 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Raistlin88)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bagpipe music

>Subject: Bagpipe music
Oh, do give me the details.

>From: [e-mail]  (Diane)
>Date: Wed, 11 August 1999 01:53 PM EDT
>Message-id: <[e-mail]>
>
>Hate to thumb though different copies of music?
>Sick of trying to figure out what the new settings in the margin are?
>Looking to have a "Band Tune book" or just  music that is orderly and
>neat?
>I can help!
>I can help make your band be on the right page everytime!
>E-mail  me for Details.
>-Diane
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:03:46 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pakastani Pipes, Why Not?

In article <[e-mail]>,
  {SCREEN_USER_NAME}@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > In article <[e-mail]>,
> >   {SCREEN_USER_NAME}@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> > > Actually I had plans in the past on traveling to Pakistan.  The
> > > company I go through has offered to send me a ticket to pakistan.
> > > [...]
> > >  The choices of materials are Ebonite, Cocus, Ebony, or African
> > > Blackwood.  Yes the wood is aged, 12-15 years.
> >
> > It is _HIGHLY_ doubtful that any pipe maker is able to make any
> > quantity of pipes out of true cocus wood nowadays, for reasons
> > that I have outlined elsewhere (basically the wood has been logged
> > out to the point that there are not sufficient quantities of mature
> > trees for harvesting it to be commercially viable).  It is also
> > _HIGHLY_ doubtful that such sets could be considered "affordable"
> > (if you could find any instrument quality wood at all, they would be
> > even more expensive than blackwood sets).  And thirdly, it is
> > _HIGHLY_ doubtful that a maker in Pakistan would use such a wood
> > since it grows half a world away from him!
> >
> > There have been some inferior woods used in Pakistani sets that
> > have been _MISREPRESENTED_ as cocus wood, but this is hardly a
> > selling point!
>
> Well then what do you want to call the wood?  This is what it has
> been called for years.  I do have a few items made of this "Eastern"
> Cocus cocus wood, and it is a damn hard wood.  I have some drum
> sticks and a Bb flute made of it and it is a very good wood, but I
> dont know what to compare it to.  It is harder than N. Rock Maple,
> maybe its another thats in the rosewood family.  It sounds like you
> know all about this, so you explain, what is it??  In pakistan they
> probably just compared it to a wood that was most similar to this
> wood.  Just like Ebony that is from the eastern area (India,
> Pakistan), it looks similar to the African ebony, so thats what
> its called.  Sheesham wood looks similar to Rosewood, you get the
> idea.

I have no idea what the wood is.  My objection is that calling it
"cocus" is quite misleading, since it is a nearly certain bet that
it isn't closely related to the "cocus" that everyone in the piping
community is familiar with.

The use of the name "cocus" is probably from the days of the Raj,
which places it at about 200 years old at the outside, and is most
likely just the name that they use when translating into English.
Surely there is a local name for the wood, that isn't an English
borrowing.  Why not just use that?  Or failing that, what's wrong
with calling it "eastern cocus" which would be less misleading?  The
fact that this kind of honesty is never practiced makes it appear
that they are just trying to cheat their customers.

> I am just telling you the materials are made from, I never said
> this is "the Well Known and very expencive Cocus wood that was used
> on pipes in the 1800's", it is Cocus wood from Pakistan, so you
> should already know what it is.
> Mike

Unfortunately I really am not enough of a naturalist to be that
familiar with the flora and fauna of the region.  I can however
say that I've actually been to the subcontinent, although not to
Sialkot.  Considered as a group, you could hardly ask to visit
amoung friendlier peoples.  You do see a huge range of quality in
the goods offered, from things as good as any in the West to the
most amazing junk.  I was not really looking for bagpipes although
the other musical instruments I happened to encounter were not of
very high quality, but again my purpose wasn't to look for any and
I don't know that the instruments I did see (mostly flutes and the
like) were any worse than the kinds of junk that you find at many
tourist stops in the US.  You also have to be careful when dealing
with many of the merchants since some of them are not above
"stretching" the truth (not unlike the West in this respect, but the
problem seems to be worse).

Some of the handicraft work that I saw was however of a very high
quality, and I have no doubt that they would be _able_ to produce
high-quality instruments should they have the appropriate direction
and incentive to do so.  They are however very market-driven, and
in this case their main market is to the tourists rather than to the
piping community;  and that market is very price-sensitive but not
very quality-sensitive when it comes to musical instruments.

I really would not be surprised if some makers still use pedal lathes
or other equipment considered "primitive" in the West.  Certainly many
of the clothing makers still use pedal sewing machines.  Some of the
tools and infrastructure still in common use on the subcontinent would
be considered totally unacceptable by most people in the West, though
they are making enormous progress in upgrading their economy.  But in
any event this is a red herring - you can certainly make quality goods
with hand tools, it just requires the proper skills and will take
longer, that's all.

The fact remains that I haven't seen any pipe from the subcontinent
that I'd think was a very attractive deal.  I'd be the first to admit
it if one of the makers there were to start producing a good pipe, but
so far it has yet to be exhibited and until such time as it is, it
remains a mere theoretical possibility.

Bruce C. Wright


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Date: 11 Aug 1999 17:24:27 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: cost of bagpipes

>Leave me out of it....I post as Screecher to preserve anonimity......
>

Yes maybe so, but your discussions with yourself are quite comical.
Does your shrink read this NG? Or is it just pre/post medicinal doses that
cause these psychotic episodes?
But I'm a huge fan of your Keiffer vs Lindapiper vs Madpiper16 conversations,
so keep skipping those doses of Prozac.
<G>
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri traghadh's ri lionadh.

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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:32:27 -0500
From: Tad Myers <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pakastani Pipes, Why Not?

Theodore Le boeuf wrote:

> Tad Myers wrote:
> >
> > Theodore Le boeuf wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > The pakistani's do make pipes that knowone over here makes.  The Brian
> > > Boru Pipe, and Keyed chanters.  I still have my 4 keyed ebony chanter
> > > and its a great instrument.
> > > I am still having one of the makers over their copy a few named makers
> > > pipes, one is a set of 1910 P. Hendersons, and the other is a David
> > > something or other....
> > > They do have the bore sizes correct with a highly polished bore, like
> > > everyone likes!!  But I am having them work on the combing and beading
> > > right now, more the combing.  I would like the small lathe lines to be
> > > more pointed and even than what they has sent in the past.  But their is
> > > still no luck on the chanter, they have a Sinclair chanter but they cant
> > > copy it, so I will probably buy Ian Murray chanters from Scotland.
> >
> > > -snip the crap-
> >
> > > Please e-mail me at  [e-mail]
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mike
> >
> > Are you a dealer for one of these Paki hacks.
>
> No, I just like to throw money around and buy all of these pipes for
> myself. (can you sence the sarcasm? or are you too narrow minded for
> that too?)
> ANYMORE STUPID QUESTIONS???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just one more...are you really as stupid as i think you are, or do you surpass
even my imagination of epic stupidity? Maybe you're one of those clown pipers
who wears the big shoes and the orange wigs at children's birthday parties...no
you would have to have a clue of what your doing to do that and its pretty
obvious you don't!
Here's sarcasm for you ...PLEASE TELL US MORE ABOUT THESE WONDERFUL PAKISTANI
PIPES OF YOURS...how long do they burn? can you use them to hold up your
tomatoes? do they make a proper planter? should one use striped or patterned
wall paper with them? do you need more than one tenor as a doorstop?

ANY MORE STUPID COMMENTS???????????


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Date: 13 Aug 1999 22:03:22 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) RE: Hemp Retraction

>I had no idea this was a hot topic and  had no intetion of starting anything.
>

Come on! You post a message like "When are the rest of you going to get out of
the 15th century", then say you didn't mean to start anything?

>If most other people
>are using hemp it must be the right thing to do.

Yep!

 I'll try to start having
>problems with my drones right away
>JGS

It would be the polite thing to do!  <G>

Bill
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mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri traghadh's ri lionadh.

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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:54:23 -0500
From: Tad Myers <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pakastani Pipes, Why Not?

Theodore Le boeuf wrote:

>
> Hardie is not making pipes in pakistan.  He purchases them from one of
> the oldest makers in Sialkot, all he buys is the Drones, Blowpipe, and
> accessories.  I guess he makes the Bag and Chanter, but Hardie does not
> make his own practice chanters.

I'll make this simple so you can understand it...Bullshit! Not only are you
a liar but you're a bad one to boot!

Tad


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:21:54 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pakastani Pipes, Why Not?

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] wrote:
> [e-mail] wrote:
> > It is _HIGHLY_ doubtful that any pipe maker is able to make any
> > quantity of pipes out of true cocus wood nowadays, for reasons
> > that I have outlined elsewhere (basically the wood has been logged
> > out to the point that there are not sufficient quantities of mature
> > trees for harvesting it to be commercially viable).
> That is just not true.We've got at least enough Cocus lying about to
> put out any number of sets,and can get as much instrument grade Cocus
> as we want.
> The reality is ,that the average joe doesn't even know what cocus is.
> We mostly use it for high end repairs.The demand for full sets of
> drones  made of Cocus,just isn't there.

I stand corrected.  My information had come from several sources, some
of whom did some instrument repair and building as a sideline, and had
indicated that the stuff was almost unobtainable.  Clearly, as someone
whose primary business is instrument construction, you evidently have
access to some sources that they were unaware of.

>  And thirdly, it is _HIGHLY_
> > doubtful that a maker in Pakistan would use such a wood since it
> > grows half a world away from him!
> I don't think its a matter of geography,..its more a matter of
> economy.

But geography (and geopolitics) have a great deal of influence on
economy.  For example, even if all else is equal, you'd have to pay
the shipping both ways.  But all else is never equal;  for one thing,
the exchange rates are very unfavorable (equivalent goods and services
there are much cheaper when translated into dollars or pounds than
they are in the US or Britain, as long as they aren't imported).  For
another thing, the governments on the subcontinent impose very high
duties on imports in an effort to protect local products.

Bruce C. Wright


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Date: 9 Aug 1999 23:16:49 GMT
From: "Matthew Wood" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross vs. Canmore (generation 3)

Hey guys,

Do not forget that Ross also makes a sealed bag.  It is actually easier to
tie in than the canmore.  It has the same clamps for the stocks as the
canister bag, but I think the bag is a bit less flimsy that the Canmore
bag.  Price is a bit less also.  You also do not need to tie in the chanter
since this is also clamped in the same as the other stocks.

Matt

Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 14:25:50 GMT, [e-mail] (John
> Richardson) wrote:
>
> >A friend of mine is considering replacing a hide bag with a 3rd.
> >generation Canmore, or a Ross.  We're in the South (Birmingham) and
> >weather must be considered.  Also, his thought is, "Is the Ross worth
> >getting a journeyman's plumbing license to hook up all of the
> >plumbing?" and considering that his playing never exceeds 30 minutes,
> >or so, is there a need for the Ross's moisture trap system, or would
> >the new Canmore be sufficient?  Thanks,
>
> A Canmore with a watertrap (buy a Gibson or make your own) would be
> ideal.  No fuss, no muss.
>
> Chris
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Chris Hamilton -- [e-mail]
> City of Washington Pipe Band
> http://www.serve.com/cowpb/chamilton.html
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:35:07 +0200
From: "Bo M°ller-Nielsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pakastani Pipes, Why Not?

Hej Derek.

My first set (my current set) is a "paki", but only the drones and blowpipe
(ABW). FWIW - those drones with shepheard cane read sounds ok when properly
set up (fine remarks in competitions). Now we are playing Henderson plastic
and the base drone can at times be a little tricky. Last time I practised,
just before my summer holidays, after about 30-45 min. I suddenly realised
that the drones sounded great. I just enjoyed the sound and didn't try to
find out why they were sounding that good.

As for workmanship, I'm not al that impressed.

In the band there are at this time 4 paki sets incl. my set. 3 of the sets
(only talking about drones) are old sets like mine and they sounds ok but
they are going to be replaced with Nails (we talked about it this evening at
bandpractice). The new set of paki do not sound good at all and the imit.
ivory looks like white plastic. It is one ugly set of bagpipe. I ordered my
Nails about 1 month ago and have been told that they would be ready on
Monday.


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Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 02:08:50 -0500
From: Tad Myers <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Thick Sheepskin Bag

Bill Carr wrote:

> Now to the question. How is the break in period with sheepskin. What's
> the best way to care for it to ensure along and happy life?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill Carr

For the first two weeks your bag will drink airtight. Put in a can to
start with and then put in another can in a day or so. You may have to put
in a third can a week after that. Let the seasoning cool down a bit while
you roll the bag around. About half an hour or so then drain it. You can
expect to get one good season out of any sheep, that's the downfall. They
work great for moisture control but they will start to "weep" in about 8 -
12 months. I call it weeping when the seasoning starts coming through the
side of the bag. When this happens, you are starting to develop soft spots
in the skin and she could blow at any time.

The first time i tied on a sheep i did it a week before a contest. I was
running around the games trying to find any vendor that had airtight. No
one had any so i poured water into the bag to loosen some of the airtight
that was in it. This worked, but only long enough to do my three contests
and then she started leakin like a sieve. So a word to the wise, if you
blow sheep always carry a spare can o airtight, you never know when she
may get real thirsty.   :o)

Cheers
Tad Myers


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