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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Willie from the Simpsons.
Date: 01 Mar 2000 06:31:05 GMT

Chris Hamilton wrote:
> On 29 Feb 2000 23:30:14 GMT, [e-mail] (Beginnertunes) wrote:
> >in this order: 1st channel, NRP. Which he quickly scanned past, then a solo
> >piper that sounded like Chris Hamilton, he then went one more station and
> >settled on SFU playing an old classic.
>
> Hmm, he should have stopped on channel #2 - that guy rocks!
>
> Chris
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Chris Hamilton

Nice to know someone around here is humble! ;-)

If it sounded like me playing it probably wouldn't be on the radio!
(How's that for humble? :-)

Andrew
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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Beginner  question   Double G, half double F
Date: 01 Mar 2000 06:31:36 GMT

> >  half double F

Hmmmm. I've yet to run across a "Half Double F". What the heck is that?
Isn't that just a "single F"? (Maybe I took too much calculus . . .)

Andrew

p.s. For what it's worth, I've been thinking of posting recordings of
doublings, etc. to my website for newbies, but not for a number of
months yet. Maybe this summer . . .
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: a good 2/4 march
Date: 01 Mar 2000 07:28:26 GMT

In article <89i18o$qm2$[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] wrote:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
>   ccc31807 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Do you want something that you can play well and survive the
> > competition, or do you want something that you can't play and
> > embarrass yourself before the judge and onlookers?
> >
> > If the latter, play one of the suggested tunes. Unless you are a
> > very strong beginning competitor, these will be beyond you.
>
> Which tunes are you talkin' about.  John's original suggestions where
> straight up TOO HEAVY for GrIV solos...but the other suggestions
> weren't.  Hope you haven't decided to take it upon yourself to
> determine the guy's playing ability.  Besides, if the event REQUIRES
> a 4 parted march, your suggestions are useless.
>
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I think John left out the _Highland Wedding_, _Mrs. John MacColl_,
and _Dr. E. G. MacKinnon_.  :-) :-) :-)

However as you note many of the other tunes would be quite appropriate
for Grade IV ... assuming that's what he's entering;  I don't think he
said where he was competing.  Some associations will require a 4-parter
but most only require 4 parts of music, so he needs to check with his
local association.  Even in associations that only require 4 parts of
music, many Grade IV players seem to be under the mistaken impression
that they need a 4-parter.

There are in fact 4-part versions of _Brown Haired Maiden_ and _High
Road to Gairloch_ (assuming you can keep a straight face, since the
third part of the latter sounds for all the world like _London Bridge
is Falling Down_).  Other good simple 4-part tunes include _Ensign
Keogh_, _Miss Delicia Chisholm_, _51st Highland Division at Wadi
Akarit_, and _Captain Norman Orr-Ewing_.  I would probably try to
steer clear of _Seige of Delhi_, _79ths Farewell to Gibralter_, and
_Liberton Boys_ (aka _Caubeen Trimmed with Blue_) since these tend to
be overdone, at least around here.

Slightly heavier tunes would include _King George V's Army_, _Australian
Ladies_, and _Atholl and Breadalbane Gathering_.  Unfortunately most of
the printed settings of _King George V's Army_ have very misleading
pointing (the Scots Guards setting is about the worst).

A simple tune played well will nearly always beat a harder tune played
less well, and one of the most common mistakes at that level is to pick
tunes that are too hard.  A few years ago, the winner of the Grade IV
Senior March at Grandfather Mountain (out of something like 40 players)
played _51st Highland Division_, which is only perhaps a little bit
harder than _Brown Haired Maiden_.  But he played it very well (I had
heard him playing it a lot at a piping school earlier in the summer),
and it was quite pleasant to listen to him.  It's quite a musical tune
when played well.  He was good enough that he could probably have
gotten through a much harder tune, but possibly not with quite such
good execution and expression.

Put your best foot forward!  Play something that you think you play
really well, not the latest "cool" tune you heard on a CD.

Good luck,

Bruce C. Wright


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Beginner question Double G, half double F
Date: 01 Mar 2000 07:57:25 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > >  half double F
>
> Hmmmm. I've yet to run across a "Half Double F". What the heck is
> that? Isn't that just a "single F"? (Maybe I took too much
> calculus . . .)
>
> Andrew
>
> p.s. For what it's worth, I've been thinking of posting recordings of
> doublings, etc. to my website for newbies, but not for a number of
> months yet. Maybe this summer . . .

A half double F is only played from High A or High G to F.  Sometimes
the double F from High G to F is played with a High A grace note in
place of the initial G grace note, and sometimes it is played as a
half doubling.  In fact, half doublings can occur from High A or High
G to any note below the preceeding High A or High G note, and the
doubling with the initial High A grace note can occur when going from
High G to any note below High G.

To play a half double F from High A, you close directly from A to F,
and then play a G gracenote.  A half double E would close directly from
A to E, then play an F gracenote, and so forth, leaving out the initial
G grace note in each case.

The two most common errors in making the half doublings are to make the
initial note too short (the initial F in the half double F), which makes
the movement sound "crushed";  or to make the grace note following the
initial note too long (the G grace note in the half double F), which
makes the movement sound "clunky".  Each note in the doubling should
sound solidly as a separate and distinct note, without pausing unduly
on any of them.

As with all doublings, the half doublings tend to sound best if they
START on the beat, rather than ENDING on the beat.  Far and away the
best book on all the common piping movements used in the light music
(which is to say everything but Piobaireachd) is Jim McGillivray's
"Rhythmic Fingerwork" which also includes a CD of him doing all of the
movements.  An expensive exercise book, but well worth it;  however it
is not for someone just starting out on the chanter.  Most beginners
will need another tutor book for the first 3-4 months at least.  But it
is extremely useful for just about everyone else.

Good luck,

Bruce C. Wright


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From: Bill Carr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: John Lee Rockets
Date: 01 Mar 2000 08:51:30 GMT

What about those Bruce Lee reeds?

I hear they really kick the pants of anything else on the market.

Bill C.

Royce Lerwick wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:37:45 -0000, "Chris Eyre"
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >Don't mind John, Ross..... he's in his funny mood tonight..... (-:
> >
> >The man you want is Mark Lee and you can contact him at [e-mail]
>
> Isn't there a John Lee Hooker? What are his drone reeds like?
>
> Royce




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From: "Tim Sullivan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd
Date: 01 Mar 2000 11:26:00 GMT



> (At least there wasn't a stream of druel down the corner of my mouth.
> That only happens in church.)

HOMER Lerwick???



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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: John Lee Rockets
Date: 01 Mar 2000 14:56:39 GMT

In article <38bc477e_3@127.0.0.1>,
  "John Mitchell" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Yes, I am manufacturing them now!.

Didn't anyone tell you that you can't use crayons for reed bodies.

Pat


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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kronies Unite
Date: 01 Mar 2000 10:54:06 -0500



Richard Thomas wrote:

> snip
>
> A tone that is an octave above another tone differs from it by 1200 cents,
> which is a whole lot of cents, but still quite a bit smaller than a
> gazillion.
>
> That's because
>
> cents = 1200 x log(Freq2/Freq1, 2)
>
> where log(Freq2/Freq1, 2) means the logarithm of the ratio of the two
> frequencies to the base 2.
>
> Of course, when Freq2 is an octave above Freq1,
> Freq2/Freq1 = 2
> and the log of 2 to the base 2 is 1.  (That is, 2 to the first power is 2.)
>
> But from the formula, it is easy to compute how the quantity "Cents/Hz"
> varies with frequency.
>
> At "High A" on the chanter, the value is about 1.83 Cents/Hz.
> At "Low A" on the chanter, it will be 3.66 Cents/Hz,
> at the "A" of the tenor drones, it will be 7.32 Cents/Hz,
> and at the bass drone "A", it will be 14.61 Cents/Hz.
>
> You were probably expecting 14.64 for the bass drone, since
> the value of "Cents/Hz" seemed to be doubling every time
> you went down an octave.
>
> But the value of the frequency ratio (about 119 Hz / 118 Hz)
> is getting larger, so the logarithm has begun to deviate from
> the first term of its linear expansion.
>
> If we start at Freq1 = 128 Hz and continue down by octaves,
> we get:
>
>   Freq.   Cents/Hz
>    (Hz)
> 128         13.47
>   64          26.84
>   32          53.27
>   16        104.96

N.B the rest of the progression is of mathematical interest only- most human
ears can't detect frequencies  as low as even the 16hz listed, let alone these
below.

>
>     8         203.91
>     4         386.31
>     2         701.96
>     1       1200.00
>
> Richard Thomas
> Long Island Ravens Pipes and Drums
> Bay Shore, NY


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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds
Date: 01 Mar 2000 11:02:16 -0500



Maeve wrote:

> Chris Eyre <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> news:89ho13$8kr$[e-mail]...
> snip
> > of water on a manometer), and I do tend to be a rather wet blower, so
> > perhaps I'm asking more of them than I should.
>
> Chris, I'm amazed by this! I have been playing these Shepherds for well over
> a month and have had every one in the world try them! They are a little
> quieter but I find that the balance between the bass and the tenors is
> great! It only took about 2 hours for them to settle down. They did get
> richer sounding as I continued playing them . . .maybe give them a little
> more time?

Perhaps that Maeve is in Florida and Chris is in England may have something to
do with different results?


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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: John Lee Rockets
Date: 01 Mar 2000 10:50:52 -0500

You need protection if you're going to use them...

Royce Lerwick wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:37:45 -0000, "Chris Eyre"
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >Don't mind John, Ross..... he's in his funny mood tonight..... (-:
> >
> >The man you want is Mark Lee and you can contact him at [e-mail]
>
> Isn't there a John Lee Hooker? What are his drone reeds like?
>
> Royce


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From: Brian Counihan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd
Date: 01 Mar 2000 16:09:22 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  Jim McGillivray <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Actually, Royce, you're right.  Most piobairached players, myself
included,
> consider it a compliment to look out into the audience and see eyes
closed and
> heads nodding.  When good piobaireachd is being played I often find
myself
> closing my eyes and slipping into this bizarre sort of trance-like
state where
> I'm almost asleep but completely aware of the tune and the bagpipe and
> everything around me.

> So there you go.
>
> Jim McGillivray
> Aurora, Ontario
>
>

   When I was over for the '98 worlds I went to the Piping Centre for
one of the lunch time recitals. I can't remember who was playing, but
when he started playing a piobairached I my eyes closed and I went into
one of those half sleep/awake states that you described above. Stayed
that way right up till the last note and then...SNAP!..fully awake. I
felt pretty embarassed that I looked like I was having a nice nap during
his performance. I was more afraid that I was going to start snoring. A
sound quite like a dissonent 5th to the drones and ruin the whole
performance. Although I did not have a full appreciation for
piobairached before going there, I certainly did after walking away.

--
Brian C.
http://www.stcolumcille.com/
"If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it
makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy


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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re:MTV, was Willie from the Simpsons.
Date: 01 Mar 2000 11:10:27 -0500

Actually . I have played on MTV, after a fashion- if you were watching
MTV  about 4 years ago and saw a commericl in which a piper appeared for
about 1.3 seconds amid a  kaleidoscope of  lightning fast images
obnoxious sounds- it would have been me, really. Not playing on the
sound track, though- they used some squeally tune -up sounds for my bit
( i didn't know that's whaere it was heading, honest) Actually, if they
did record and use my sound I would have been paid a lot more that I
was. I got SAG extra scale rather than Musican's Union Scale for the
taping.  It wa a fun morning, none the less.   ( no brag, just fact)

John Mitchell wrote:

> Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]> wrote in
> >
> > If it sounded like me playing it probably wouldn't be on the radio!
> > (How's that for humble? :-)
>
> Ah! don't be bashful! There's no shame in self indulgence.
>
> If you were watching MTV and heard pipes, It would be me!
>
> Howz that for a swollen Heed! ;-)
>
> I had a pal who believed that reserved parking was for him!
>
> He'z now onto making hiz 4th Million.
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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd
Date: 01 Mar 2000 11:23:32 -0500

On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 06:04:52 -0800, ccc31807
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>This "problem" is one of the great mysteries of life. Why is it
>that we humans exchange something sublime for trash? I will not
>illustrate this point, because many of you will laugh at me.

>Only just say that the vast majority (if not all) marches, slow
>airs, reels, etc., are all forgettable,

"The Highland Wedding" forgettable?  "Lord Alexander Kennedy", "Susan
MacLeod", "Mist Covered Mountains", etc.  Don't be ridiculous. These
are excellent pieces of music. They're popular because they are NOT
forgettable.  The melodies have stood the test of time.

> and can't compare with the depth and complexity of piobaireachd,

Ceol Beag (aka light music) is an art form in and of itself.
Audiences like it, pipers like it.  It's enjoyable to listen to. I can
listen to it and play it all day long.

Piobaireachd is all fine and dandy, and worthy of study and respect,
but to imply that other branches of our music are not is just, well,
silly.

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Hamilton
[e-mail]
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From: "Matt Buckley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds
Date: 01 Mar 2000 14:03:17 -0500



> Maeve wrote:


 > Chris, I'm amazed by this! I have been playing these Shepherds for well
over
 > a month and have had every one in the world try them! They are a little
 > quieter but I find that the balance between the bass and the tenors is
 > great! It only took about 2 hours for them to settle down. They did get
 > richer sounding as I continued playing them . . .maybe give them a
little
 > more time?

This question is for Maeve, Ron, Chris, anybody.
I would like to replace my Wygents (great sound,
intonation, etc. but TOO MUCH AIR).  Can anyone
expound on SM 90 vs. Wygents vs. Dua-Tone new
Wygents as relates to volume of air required?

Thanks.  Matt



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From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Brigadoon
Date: 01 Mar 2000 19:20:25 GMT

Ditto Kenny,
I played Lord Lovats and also for the dancing at the wedding...and do
believe it was the sword dance Ghillie Callum
Lori
Kenny MacKenzie wrote in message
<[e-mail]>...
>Iain,
>
>I have played for Brigadoon twice over the years. The music I was given
>was Lord Lovets Lament played as a slow march - this is played for the
>funeral scene. There is also a highland dance during the wedding scene
>-I played for a sword dance.
>
>I hope this is of some help all the best.
>
>Kenny.
>
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From: aberdeen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Paki Pipes - The Facts vs. The Myths
Date: 01 Mar 2000 19:20:43 GMT

In article <89jj5e$t5c$[e-mail]>,
  Don Bigelow <[e-mail]> wrote:
...
>
> Fact or Myth:
>
>
> 7) Paki pipes can be improved to at least tolerable condition/sound by
> replacing certain parts with parts from a "real" bagpipe manufacturer.
>


This part is true!  You just need to replace a few parts. It can be done
with 5 Easy Steps:

1st. Ditch the bag.  Paki bags are oily and leak.  While you're tying in
a new bay you might as well use different stocks because of the cheap
wood Pakis use will tend to crack with the moisture. Same with the
blowpipe.

2nd Get a good quality chanter.  You won't be able to tune the Paki
chanter to anything else in the band.  Oh, don't use the reed that came
with the old chanter, get a reed which works well with your new chanter.
Same with the drone reeds - get some good quality synthetic ones.

3rd Replace the bag cover.  The stitching on Paki bags is deplorable and
the tartan fabric give it away that you've got a Paki set under it all.
Might as well replace those tartan cords too along with the ring type
ties on the cords.


4th replace the blowpipe.  It is made of wood which will easily crack
and you can go with either African blackwood or polypenco.

5th Now you're almost set.  Just replace the drones with good quality
African blackwood drones from a reputable maker and you've got it! <G>


 You've made your Paki pipes into something which can hold its own
against a commercially sold Scottish bagpipe!

  (My apologies to Jack Nicholson and his the "You want me to hold the
chicken?" scene.)

All the best,
Jim
--
Jim Hudgins
Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply
<http://www.AberdeenBagpipe.com>


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From: Bill Carr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Silver Ivory PC
Date: 01 Mar 2000 19:51:02 GMT


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From: "Steve White" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Uk competitions!!
Date: 01 Mar 2000 19:53:00 -0000

Give owa lads - you're makin' es homesick.
Cheers,
Steve White


Chris Eyre wrote in message <89ho12$8kr$[e-mail]>...
>Some years ago, there used to be a lovely little Games held in Morpeth,
>about 15 miles east of Newcastle, that held a piobaireachd competition. I
>don't know if it is still going. It's the only Games I every knew that also
>held a Northumbrian Smallpipe competition as well.
>
>BTW, there is a village nearby called "Once Brewed" and in the centre of it
>is a pub called "Twice Brewed".
>
>Chris Eyre




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From: aberdeen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Clearance pipe case
Date: 01 Mar 2000 20:34:15 GMT

I've got a standard pipe case which I'm reducing in price because of
minor damage.  The case is new but came from the factory with a slight
bow in the front lower panel of the case.  It still closes fine, but
when open, the bow is noticable.  An example of what our standard case
looks like can be seen at:

<http://www.aberdeenbagpipe.com/store/20210.html>

I've discounted the price to $35.00 for this one imperfect case + P&P.

Sorry there is only one, but it will go to the first to email for it.

All the best,

Jim
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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: MTV, was Willie from the Simpsons.
Date: 01 Mar 2000 16:26:15 -0500

I think I was paid something on the order of $153, US, after taxes, etc.-
would have been the same if I shopwed up for 1 second or 30 in the
commercial. It would have been a lot more, as I said If they also recorded
the sound, in which case I'd have received AFM scale and residuals. As I said
I was paid at a Screen Actors Guild rate for extras-plus a smal lallowance
because I proivided my own costume.  I was there for about an hour, about one
half of which was standing around waiting, the other half walking back and
forth playing,  turning to face the camera , etc. Funny thing was, therfe was
a samll white poodle there as well, with a whole team- a handler, a
hairdresser, an owner and, I think an agent.  They could not gett the dog to
bark on cue, or to appear to be interested in a fake firehydrant, so the
dog's part  never made the commercial.  Kind of puts the whole thing in
perspective, eh?

John Mitchell wrote:

> Bob Cameron <[e-mail]> wrote in
> > Actually . I have played on MTV, after a fashion- if you were watching
> > MTV  about 4 years ago and saw a commericl in which a piper appeared for
> > about 1.3 seconds amid a  kaleidoscope of  lightning fast images
>
> So Bob, What do you charge per second? <g>
>
> Is there a 5 second minimal charge in your contract?
> Lets see,  to ply 5 minutes in Ontarion, that would be, ummm, Wage Scale IV
> minimum of $151(Us Funds, Plus travel expenses and perdiem-- probably a
> couple of grand, John- save your dough.

LOL, am I supposed to now say- "If you've never appeared in a 30 second TV
spot, you don't know what you're talking about??"  Actually, the other
commercial I was in was more fun, and paid better, but that's another
story....



>
> Come to think of it, if I want to save any money can you
> just play for half a second? ;-)
>
> OK, OK, OK I'm done!
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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd
Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:02:58 GMT

On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:26:00 GMT, "Tim Sullivan" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>
>
>> (At least there wasn't a stream of druel down the corner of my mouth.
>> That only happens in church.)
>
>HOMER Lerwick???

Doh!

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd
Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:04:04 GMT

On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 10:43:01 -0500, Bob Cameron
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Leaping Horntoads, Royce- be careful- there's a guy who plays in the subway here
>who plays like that all tghe time - out of it totally, and maybe more than just a
>bit shy of making sense. To make it worse- he's blowing a recorder- be careful or
>it could be you next!

If he's playing a recorder and Irish tunes, he's better off asleep.
Well, I mean, *I'm* better off if he's asleep.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd
Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:05:19 GMT

On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 06:04:52 -0800, ccc31807
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>This "problem" is one of the great mysteries of life. Why is it
>that we humans exchange something sublime for trash? I will not
>illustrate this point, because many of you will laugh at me.
>Only just say that the vast majority (if not all) marches, slow
>airs, reels, etc., are all forgettable, and can't compare with
>the depth and complexity of piobaireachd, yet at piping
>recitals, what happens when the piper hits the initial hiharin?
>The audience has this Pavlovian response, "Now's the time to go
>to the bar. The piper has quit playing tunes." It would be funny
>if it were not so sad.

Actually, the response is, "Uuup--some bastard's started into a
piobaireachd. Party's over.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd
Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:07:05 GMT

On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:23:32 -0500, Chris Hamilton
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Ceol Beag (aka light music) is an art form in and of itself.
>Audiences like it, pipers like it.  It's enjoyable to listen to. I can
>listen to it and play it all day long.

Isn't that "Ceal Brebach" or "middle music," or the heavy marches,
strathspeys, and I suppose, finger-wrenching kitchen piping would fall
into that category I think. The show-tunes as well.

In any case, you can master all that stuff in a few weeks. Right?

Royce

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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Toronto
Date: 01 Mar 2000 17:22:57 -0900

I'm going to be in Toronto on business the week of 3/31-4/6/00.

Are there any piping events, or places of interest to pipers I should
check out while I'm there?

Thanks,

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From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: AGEING IVORY WITH UV LAMP?
Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:26:39 GMT

JJ34U wrote:
>
> where do you get new ivory on pipes now?

Pipe makers in Pakistan and india still have it, but you cant get it
over here.

I have aged im ivory with a uv light that is used for industrial
purposes, but I havent tried it on the real thing,
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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds
Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:24:41 GMT

On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:36:30 -0500, "John Mitchell"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>>All the players that I know including myself, Don't use any
>filler in the chanter section. Never have a problem with wetness.
>
>Even in a Scottish Cloud Burst!!

Hey thanks for the backup on this "secret" info on the Ross Cannister
about 9 months after you let Bill Carr give me a load of shite about
what an idiot I was for making the same observation, and post after
post of arguments about it. It's great to know you're a guy who just
jumps right in to support the Truth where ever it may be found, and
not driven by petty personal motivations or self-promotion.

Royce

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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds
Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:40:58 GMT

In article <38bd4782_2@127.0.0.1>,
  "John Mitchell" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Well now we're just getting back into moisture control!
> All the players that I know including myself, Don't use any
> filler in the chanter section. Never have a problem with wetness.
>
> Even in a Scottish Cloud Burst!!

Is this one of your sneaky commercial advertisements for "Depends
Undergarments"?  Your personal experiences just add to the credibility
of the above testimonial.  Watch out Mr. Whipple.


Pat


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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: John Lee Rockets
Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:41:33 GMT

On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 08:51:30 GMT, Bill Carr <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>What about those Bruce Lee reeds?

Bruce Lees are dead sounding.

Royce

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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: John Lee Rockets
Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:30:18 GMT

In article <38bd44a6_4@127.0.0.1>,
  "John Mitchell" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> That's right Pat, I use crayons for guys like you that might
> hurt themselves with sharp or pointed objects!

So that's why your last endearing letter to me was written in "Jungle
Green" and "Dandelion" yellow.

Pat


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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kilt prices in the U.S. and Canada
Date: 01 Mar 2000 19:54:49 -0700

You can get a beautiful 16 oz 8 yard kilt from Sandy St. James for about $360.00

Best deal I know of.

Don

Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote:

> Below is a listing of kilt-makers and their prices for an 8 yard gent's kilt
> in 13oz. tartan fabric, as advertised on their web-sites. No representation
> is made in regard to the quality of their workmanship and the following
> listing is given merely for purposes of price comparison
>
> Kilts 4 Less $310.00 U.S.
> http://www.kilts4less.bigstep.com/listofservices.jhtml
>
> J. Higgins, Ltd. $340.00 U.S. http://www.qni.com/~jhiggins/
>
> The Celtic Connection $330.00 U.S.
> http://www.ihscelti.com/The_CelticConnection_LC/the_celticconnection_lc.html
>
> Highland Heritage, Ltd. $395.00 U.S.
> http://www.highlandheritage.com/kilts.html/
>
> Scottish Lion $395.00 U.S. http://www.scottishlion.com/kilgencusmad.html
>
> McCullough Highlands $410.00 U.S. http://www.celtickilts.com/
>
> MacLeod's Scottish Shop $413.00 U.S.
> http://www.macleodsscottish.com/pl_mss_pricelist.html
>
> McIntosh's Highland Supplies $414.00 U.S.
> http://www.mcintosh.bc.ca/pricelist.html
>
> Great Scot $450.00 U.S. http://www.greatscotshop.com/highland/kiltmeas.html
>
> Ann Stewart Kiltmaker $450.00 U.S. http://www.kiltshop.com/catalog.htm
>
> Happy shopping!
>
> Steven Akins of that Ilk
> [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: John Lee Rockets
Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:44:19 GMT

On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:24:09 -0500, "John Mitchell"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>oshpiper <[e-mail]> wrote in
>>   "John Mitchell" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> > Yes, I am manufacturing them now!.
>>
>> Didn't anyone tell you that you can't use crayons for reed bodies.
>
>That's right Pat, I use crayons for guys like you that might
>hurt themselves with sharp or pointed objects!

That's why guys like Pat can only read you posts, because they're in
no danger from anything sharp or pointed in the way of with or
discernment.

Royce

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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Beginner question Double G, half double F
Date: 02 Mar 2000 04:53:55 GMT

[e-mail] wrote:
>   Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > > >  half double F
> >
> > Hmmmm. I've yet to run across a "Half Double F". What the heck is
> > that?


>
> A half double F is only played from High A or High G to F.  Sometimes
> the double F from High G to F is played with a High A grace note in
> place of the initial G grace note, and sometimes it is played as a
....

Ah, so I've been playing it without knowing another name for it. I was
wondering how I managed to miss that one in 2-1/2 years of piping!

Thanks,
Andrew
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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Name that tune
Date: 02 Mar 2000 05:03:14 GMT

Does anyone know how to save a embedded sound file like that off of a
web page? (I'm using Netscape Communicator . . .)


322z5 wrote:
> http://ohmygoodness.com/cgi-bin/m/www_3/MUSIC/Cards/Animated/bagpipes.gif

Thanks,
Andrew
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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Willie from the Simpsons.
Date: 02 Mar 2000 05:07:21 GMT

John Mitchell wrote:
>
> Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]> wrote in
> >
> > If it sounded like me playing it probably wouldn't be on the radio!
> > (How's that for humble? :-)
>
> Ah! don't be bashful! There's no shame in self indulgence.

Okay, fine, be that way! ;-) I did get interviewed in a local newspaper
after I played at a Highland games . . .

 . . . maybe it was because I didn't intimidate the reporter!



Sorry, John, I need more practice with the self-indulgence stuff!

Andrew
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From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds
Date: 02 Mar 2000 00:52:05 -0500


Matt Buckley <[e-mail]> wrote in message
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> This question is for Maeve, Ron, Chris, anybody.
> I would like to replace my Wygents (great sound,
> intonation, etc. but TOO MUCH AIR).  Can anyone
> expound on SM 90 vs. Wygents vs. Dua-Tone new
> Wygents as relates to volume of air required?

Oh, MATT!!!! Don't do that yet!!!! If you want to do so, send the Wygents to
me!!! I'll fix them for you and send them back! I'm not the "Wygent Drone
Queen of the South" for no reason!!!! I CAN FIX THAT!!!!!!!! I promise!!!!
And this is serious! If you have another set to play for a week or so, I
will gladly do this for you! I love doing it!
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From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds
Date: 02 Mar 2000 00:48:05 -0500


Chris Eyre <[e-mail]> wrote in message
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> You may be right, Maeve. Perhaps I haven't given them enough time.
(Trouble
> is, I keep going back to my Lee Rockets.)
> It's interesting though, what Bob says about possible climate difference.
> It's really damp and chilly here just now - certainly not the weather for
> playing out of doors. So the only environment I've been working in lately
is
> in a centrally-heated room at home or in a rather chilly Band Hall which
at
> this time of year tests most reeds to the limit as far as moisture is
> concerned. What's it been like in Florida lately, Maeve? Are you
practicing
> indoors or out, or both?

The weather here would be considered GORGEOUS by most people but I find it
rather chilly .. . about 75-80 during the days dropping to the mid-50's in
the evening. The humidity has been relatively low (considering this is
Florida!) lately. I play both places ..  in the house and outside but I do
find the best playing is done outdoors. I don't know if this is just part of
my own mindset or a reality! I have had the heat on in the house for the
last month (yes, when it drops below 76 degrees, I freeze!) and it tends to
dry out my bag to the point where I throw a shotglass of water into the bag
to rehydrate everything. I'd love to hear how you are doing with these reeds
. . . and to see if there is any change to them with weather conditions,
etc. Please do keep me informed. I don't know why I am so fascinated by
drone reeds!!!!! I wish I could try every set made!!!! I'm about ready to
change reeds again . .. just for the sake of doing it. There is nothing
wrong with the SM 90's but it's too boring around here when I don't have
problems ;) :) :) :)
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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Dispecta est Thule
Date: 02 Mar 2000 02:37:26 GMT

On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 10:45:24 -0800, Paul Gretton
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Charles E. Kron wrote:
>>
>> The motto is taken from Tacitus: dispecta est et Thule. Plus, Paul, I would take dispecta est
>> as perfect passive indicative (was seen), and Thule (f) as subject. A Roman would most
>> probably have understood Thule (from Greek, Bob) to be Shetland. Check your Lewis.
>>
>> -Charley Kron
>>
>
>I didn't realise the motto was a Tacitus quote. If I had, I could have checked what it
>means in context. (I did of course check Lewis and Short.) If the quote is part of the
>Agricola narrative, then Tacitus is indeed likely to have meant the perfect passive.
>
>However, my interpretation of dispecta est as a gerundive is also correct --taking the
>words as they stand, out of the context of Tacitus.
>
>Of course, the interesting thing is that both interpretations work. There would seem to
>be a deliberate ambiguity (or rather a case of deliberate polysemy) --quite a nice one
>actually.
>
>As to the significance of the name Thule: I'm sure you realise that this is much
>disputed. Check your Oxford Classical Dictionary, which has a long discussion of the
>word.


Thanks for clearing that up guys.

Royce

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Brigadoon
Date: 29 Feb 2000 08:39:36 -0500

As an aside to that, "Lord Lovat's Lament" was written in by Lerner & Lowe
as what they specifically wanted.  There's a flowing part that follows the
actual march on that's based on the melody.  The score has the music written
in for piano, but if you just play the tune out, you can pick it up for the
pipe in about 5 seconds.  John MacFadyen claimed to have written that part.
However true that is, I'm not sure.

Bill Burt
Iain Massie wrote in message
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>Has anyone out there done Brigadoon. If so, is there any specific music or
>is it just something slow.
>
>Thanks
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From: Bill Carr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Gibson Chanter Model?
Date: 02 Mar 2000 13:06:30 GMT

The solo model has different hole spacing to the band model. The D hole is
much further down and (if memory serves me correct) all the holes a a touch
further down the chanter.

You would need to compare it to a known band model of the same age to see the
difference. Perhaps someone could send you a scan of the band model?

In any case I didn't hear much difference between the two. The solo is perhaps
a touch lower pitched and perhaps a wee bit softer in tone. Using the same
reed, the solo required no tape at all while the band chanter needed tape on
the D and F.

If it's a new chanter then Gibson or the supplier should have it on record
which model it is.

Cheers

Bill Carr

Mark Scheen wrote:

> I've been emailing back and forth with a fellow in Texas about a Gibson
> chanter he has.  We are trying to determine if it's the solo or the band
> model.  Does anyone know how to tell the difference?  We've already been
> through the obvious stuff, like checking for a model number stamped on it.
> Any other hints?  Thanks,
>
> Mark



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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd
Date: 02 Mar 2000 10:07:36 -0500

Actually it's much worse than that- he's playing something that only he thinks are
tunes- even the other drunks can't sleep when he's there. I think he imagines he's
the Charlie Parker of the recorder. we can only be grateful that he's not massacring
real tunes  or strngling his casts with a louder instrument.

Royce Lerwick wrote:

> On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 10:43:01 -0500, Bob Cameron
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >Leaping Horntoads, Royce- be careful- there's a guy who plays in the subway here
> >who plays like that all tghe time - out of it totally, and maybe more than just a
> >bit shy of making sense. To make it worse- he's blowing a recorder- be careful or
> >it could be you next!
>
> If he's playing a recorder and Irish tunes, he's better off asleep.
> Well, I mean, *I'm* better off if he's asleep.
>
> Royce


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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kilt prices in the U.S. and Canada
Date: 02 Mar 2000 10:11:24 -0500

last I knew, New York, where Sandy is located was stiil part of the USA...

Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote:

> sdon wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
> >You can get a beautiful 16 oz 8 yard kilt from Sandy St. James for about
> $360.00
> >
> >Best deal I know of.
>
> Aye, but if Sandy is in the U.K. and you are in the U.S., you can expect to
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> their hands on it.
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From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Who do you think you are!
Date: 02 Mar 2000 16:06:55 GMT

God to be so wanted in a world of no nothing, hack beginners such as
us....sigh
If only I could be like you......

John Mitchell wrote in message <38bb7ad0_3@127.0.0.1>...
>You know, I get really tired of reading the E-mails that challenge
>me to play them on the boards because they think their good.
>I've always replied anytime, anywhere!

So do it!! this summer!! Montreal!
You are liable to have a very big audience...almost as big as your mouth!
to see how you perform! ;-))
>
>Yea, I voice my opinion on this NG, but that's an opinion that's
>based on actually living this lifestyle for over 30 years now.
Big deal, I'm not near as old as you and I have been playing for nearly 30
yrs John....
>I'm not going to take any shit nor should I have to, from any newbie,
>wannabe, or from someone sitting on the sidelines that thinks they
>know something of what this game is all about.

I do know what the game is about...been in it for a long time
and at least I had the guts to put myself on the boards against the big guys
in Open Solos...something you have admittedly not done to date...;-))
>
>This summer, I'm going to take a rest and help out a little GR4 band,
>I also plan to spend some time with my 3 year old daughter who
>I have barely seen in over a year.  Does that make me anyless a player?

Hmm, you told me I was a hasbeen....this year, you are the has been!
>
>I have put in my years at the top level. Had I spent this much time and
>effort
>at anything else, I'd be a bloddy multi millionaire by now.

Ah well, you can bask in the glory from all you adoring fans.......:-)))))))

Lori...one of John's many admirers....hahahaha
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Subject: (bagpipe) Silver/Ivory PC
Date: 02 Mar 2000 16:15:15 GMT

Feast your eyes on this folks.........

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=274095785

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From: Doug Campbell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd
Date: 01 Mar 2000 17:42:54 -0500



ccc31807 wrote:

>
>
> Hey Doug - before you start posting to the newsgroup, may I
> suggest an adult literacy program?
>
> (This is a flame. If you want to know what provoked it, we can
> discuss it by private posts.)

Alright Charles, cool off.   I admit I had a visceral reaction to your post,
the second such reaction in 2 days no less, so I replied hastily.  After
looking back over your contributions to the group I can see I was mistaken in
questioning your commitment to the instrument, and for that I do apologize.

As for your recent points, I did read what you said intitially and your
clarification, which didn't.  It read to me something like this (paraphrased
where necessary for economy, to make me right, or both):
--------
you: Technique: one of the easier instruments.  The GHB is the easiest
instrument in the world to make music on.  You can learn to play every note in
five minutes and attain reasonable proficiency in six months.

Matt:  you must be kidding (condensed version)

you:  I'm not saying that being good is easy
       <snip>
to restate what I said, if you take the component parts of piping and rate them
as compared to other instruments, this is how I would do it:

fingering technique - easy
-------------
OK,  I don't get it.  Technique is such a huge portion of what this instrument
is about.  Do you mean "bad fingering technique is easy"?  because I would
agree with you there.  Yes, maybe one can learn to play every note in five
minutes, but my cat can play every note on the piano faster than that.  Or
maybe I'm the only one for whom the technique is the biggest challenge - but
didn't you say that it took you three years to get from the pc to the pipes -
three years before you even picked up the actual instrument?  That's fingering
technique.   So forgive me if I am being obtuse but I still don't know what
you're talking about when you say that the technique is relatively easy.

Then there was today's post regarding the light music.  I remember the prior
confusion about your post to Sam Strathclyde where you said that "99% of
non-piob tunes are trash tunes" and then you later said that you were only
joking, and that you were being too subtle for this medium, and that you were
the one who offered the Civil War tunes.  But then today, you wrote regarding
piobaireachd "why is it that we humans exchange something sublime for trash? I
will not illustrate this point, because many of you will laugh at me.  Only
just say that the vast majority (if not all) marches, slow airs, reels, etc.
are all forgettable. . ."  So what do you mean?  "Vast majority (if not all)"
sure sounds like you mean 99% to me.  Are you joking again?  Maybe you should
have risked being laughed at to illustrate your point for the benefit of the
adult illiterates among us.

Sorry for questioning your love of the instrument, but I can't apologize for
not knowing what the hell yer talking about because I don't!

Doug C.





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From: Doug Campbell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd
Date: 01 Mar 2000 18:28:47 -0500

Well, I tried twice posting a reasoned response to the group, and it didn't
appear on my server either time - never happened before.  So I tried mailing it
to you directly but your address doesn't work.  So I'm done for the night.

Doug C.


ccc31807 wrote:

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> Hey Doug - before you start posting to the newsgroup, may I
> suggest an adult literacy program?
>
> (This is a flame. If you want to know what provoked it, we can
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From: JOHN MITCHELL <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Who do you think you are!
Date: 02 Mar 2000 19:08:41 GMT

John and/or Lori Gaudet <[e-mail]> wrote in
>
> So do it!! this summer!! Montreal!
> You are liable to have a very big audience...almost as big as your
mouth!
> to see how you perform! ;-))

What's the matter Lori, still licking your wounds from the 96 Maxville
games. That's when The Detroit band and their mighty Gibson chanters
gave your band a severe malking! You weren't even concidered in the
hunt.

It sure was sweet beating your band, but now this will just be icing on
the cake. I'm sure I won't even break a sweat!

This sounds like the makings of a good competition! ;-)))

BTW, I'll be playing down at the Detroit invitational on March 25
My old arche enemy, Doctor Martyn Brown will be there too.
I can't wait to beat his scrawny little ass again! HeHeHe

The best part is, he's even giving me a lift to the contest.
That's like the fly giving the spider a ride to the web. Bwahahahaha!

JOHN MITCHELL
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From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Who do you think you are!
Date: 02 Mar 2000 21:18:53 GMT

My Goodness John...is that what you do when your band gets beat?? Lick your
wounds for like 4 years?
Hmmm...3 more to go for you I guess...maybe thats why you quit eh?
That's not quite how we deal with things out here....but you wouldn't know
anything about that what with those big ole blinders you have on...;-)))
Good luck in Detroit....I know you will post your results here for all we
hack beginners' interest!!

JOHN MITCHELL wrote in message <89me7k$vh8$[e-mail]>...
>John and/or Lori Gaudet <[e-mail]> wrote in
>>
>> So do it!! this summer!! Montreal!
>> You are liable to have a very big audience...almost as big as your
>mouth!
>> to see how you perform! ;-))
>
>What's the matter Lori, still licking your wounds from the 96 Maxville
>games. That's when The Detroit band and their mighty Gibson chanters
>gave your band a severe malking! You weren't even concidered in the
>hunt.
>
>It sure was sweet beating your band, but now this will just be icing on
>the cake. I'm sure I won't even break a sweat!
>
>This sounds like the makings of a good competition! ;-)))
>
>BTW, I'll be playing down at the Detroit invitational on March 25
>My old arche enemy, Doctor Martyn Brown will be there too.
>I can't wait to beat his scrawny little ass again! HeHeHe
>
>The best part is, he's even giving me a lift to the contest.
>That's like the fly giving the spider a ride to the web. Bwahahahaha!
>
>JOHN MITCHELL
>WWF piping champ!
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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Paki Pipes - The Facts vs. The Myths
Date: 03 Mar 2000 00:01:00 GMT

>7) Paki pipes can be improved to at least tolerable condition/sound by
>replacing certain parts with parts from a "real" bagpipe manufacturer.

True.

>8) If a person truly cannot afford a set of "real" pipes, he/she is
>better off dead or taking up the harmonica than buying a set of Paki's.

False, but only if modified as above.

>9) Paki's are actually fine for the beginner and/or casual/informal use.

True, but only as modified.

>10) Paki pipes really sound exactly like classic Hendersons,

It's all in how you reed them.  I have a set that sounds pretty darn adequate,
but not Henderson-like.  But then again, a poorly-set-up sset of Hendersons is
going to sound not unlike these Pakis.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd
Date: 02 Mar 2000 23:55:55 GMT

> I've
>judged many contests of even top-flight professionals where only two out of
>10
>tunes were worth crossing the parking lot for.

Ah!  That explains why your list of recommended grade 3 piob includes mostly
short chunes.  I decided on Alasdair Dearg.

But I had no idea good piob was that hard to come by, if even some of the Open
pipers aren't playing it.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Strathspey Musings
Date: 03 Mar 2000 00:24:07 GMT

I'm working on Struan Robertson.  I'm trying to emphasize the SwMw phrasing, so
I set my metronome at about 46 so it clicks on every other beat, rather than at
92 (clicking on every beat).  It seems to help.

Is there any problem with beating my foot every other beat, rather than every
beat, in solo competition?

Also: beating time this way makes a typical part of a strathspey a group of 4,
4-beat phrases.  I seem to be noticing a SwMw phrasing within each group of 4
as well.  Take the first part of Struan Robertson.  It's repeated, so really
you have 2 groups of 4-beat phrases.  Make sense?

And what tempos are people really playing strathspeys at in grades 2 and 3?
Last year I was playing a different tune in the 80's, and that was too slow.
I've heard the range of about 92-100 is a good target tempo.  Also heard that
about 110 is where a strathspey starts to sound good, like competition marches
start to sound like marches at around 60.

But grade 1 bands and highland dancers do strathspeys in the 130's, right?
That's a heckuva distance from 92.

What about reels?  100-120?

Zu



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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Call to breakup Jewish media conglomerates !!!!  by Salvador Astucia
Date: 02 Mar 2000 19:49:23 -0500

Reminds me of a good joke:

Q:  Do you know how to save a bigot from drowning?
Resp:  No.
A. Good!

Bill Burt
Beginnertunes wrote in message
<[e-mail]>...
>>Get bent and spout your green eyed racism somewhere else. I bet you'd
>>complain if they were African American, or Mexican or Asian. You're
jealous
>
>Bravo Richo! Your right, when their done with Jews, blacks, PR's, etc etc
>they'll start on pointey noses, crossed eyes, brown eyes. Jerks like this
will
>always find someone (or something about someone) to hate to justify their
>insecurities and anger.
>Scotia Aye!
>Bill
>What do playing the bagpipes, and throwing a Javelin while blindfolded have
in
>common?
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From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: AGEING IVORY WITH UV LAMP?
Date: 03 Mar 2000 02:13:55 GMT

madman wrote:
>
> Mike Le Boeuf wrote:
> >
> >
> > Pipe makers in Pakistan and india still have it, but you cant get it
> > over here.
> >
>
> Hey Mike,I get tired of answering this question.
>
> Elephant Ivory is NOT ILLEGAL.
>
> It is illegal to IMPORT and EXPORT out of North America,however,any
> ivory that was in North America prior to the CITES ban on
> importation/exportation is perfectly legal to sell/trade/use etc.
>
> I make several NEW sets of full-mounted elephant ivory every year,
> and make countless replacement parts using NEW elephant ivory every
> year.
>
> (just made a new bush for Mike Greens Lawrie Bass-Top..used a nice new
> piece of elephant ivory..threaded of course,32 TPI)
>
> Elephant ivory is readily available in any quantity you can afford to
> purchase.
> Last year we bought a nice n' big 150 pound tusk.
> We also have mammoth ivory and walrus ivory.
> All perfectly legal.
> Lynne Miller at House of Bagpipes in San Francisco, moves several sets
> of
> full mounted elephant ivory every year...I believe he has a set in his
> inventory....check it out.


I stated what I said wrong, I was saying many pipe makers in Pakistan
and india have ivory, but they cant Send it over here.
I know ivory is available, and I have seen the sets from Lynne that you
have made.
I have also seen the basic pipes with silver mounts, I was practicing
engraving on one of them.  For some reason your silver makes a high
pitch but soft Ring when a Diamond tool scrapes across it.
Mike

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From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) LYNNE MILLER
Date: 03 Mar 2000 02:38:17 GMT

Lynne,
please e-mail me, i lost your e-mail address. (again)
Mike

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From: Don Robertson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: 1905 Lawries
Date: 02 Mar 2000 20:15:32 -0800

Good Lord, absolutely stunning!!!
Cheers
Don

Bill Carr wrote:

> I've put a photo of them here:
>
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From: Don Robertson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Off Topic
Date: 02 Mar 2000 20:31:02 -0800

Hi all, Sorry this way out of the ng range but I need some help finding
a song. I heard it once on an episode of Masterpiece Theater. It was a
show about a squadron of RAF Spitfire pilots. There was a song at the
beginning of the show that went,
  "Oh the bells of hell go ding a-ling a-ling, not for me,
for.you..........."
Has anyone ever heard of this? And if so, direct me to the rest of the
words.
Sorry again it's not piping
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From: "Iain Sherwood" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ../\...SAY A PRAYER FOR THE INNOCENT VICTIMS OF BLACK VIOLENCE AND LAWLESSNESS!!^^^..
Date: 02 Mar 2000 20:57:42 -0800

this is obviously from someone with a serious recto-cranial infarction, and
a keen fashion sense to boot.

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> It's interesting to see how selective the black community can be when it
comes to what they get outraged about.
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> A couple of recent examples:
> -
> 1) A four-year-old white boy was dragged 4 miles to his death by a black
man when the automobile his mother was driving got car-jacked. The child was
attached to a seatbelt, hanging out the side of the car, clearly visible to
the perpetrator. The mother frantically pleaded for the life of her son to
no avail. Some other motorists watching this horror unveil eventually
subdued the driver. According to bystanders and police, the man was
completely remorseless.
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> Tell me something... How is this man any less of an animal than the 3
rednecks that dragged a black man to his death behind a pickup truck last
year? So, where is all the public outrage and cries of racism here?
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> 2) Yesterday, a black man went on a firing rampage, shooting 5 white
people - killing 2 and leaving 1 in critical condition with a bullet lodged
in his brain. When asked why he did it, he told a neighbor and police that
he just wanted to kill as many white people as he could. Again, completely
remorseless.
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> Again, where is all the public outrage and cries of racism here?
> -
> Whenever incidents of this type occur, there is a defining silence coming
from the black community. The double standard that seems to apply, suggests
that it's OK for black criminals to victimize whites but not the other way
around and has led to a well deserved lack of credibility for black's when
it comes to criminal justice.
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> Americans (law-abiding blacks and whites alike) have finally decided not
to allow this double standard and racial bias to infect the judicial system
any further and this was at the rudiment of the judge's decision to move the
Diallo trial out of The Bronx.
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> And since no discussion on this subject would be complete without a
comment on the Diallo verdict;
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> For the record, I didn't agree with this verdict. At a minimum, I think
these cops should have been charged with extreme reckless indifference to
human life and they should have been punished.
> -
> This was not murder however...  It was incompetence... If these cops set
out to murder this guy, then would have done it quietly in a back alley or
other such place and they would have quietly gotten away with it.
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males, which engender an atmosphere of fear and lawlessness wherever they
congregate!
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some of the most dangerous in New York City. Kids pull handguns on cops all
the time and many policemen have been shot, killed and maimed.
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his or her life if he or she believes someone is about to pull out a gun.
> -
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pressure, threats, or other feel-good expedients is going to change a thing
until the black community starts to take responsibility for their children
and their communities.
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trial payback for the O.J. verdict.
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>
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>
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>
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From: Don Robertson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 02 Mar 2000 20:37:02 -0800

Zu's right, playing slowly at first is the best way to learn expression on 6/8's.
The expression on these tunes is the "guts" of the tune and need to be played
clean. I would be willing to bet that most pipers struggled through this at first.
I did too. Count out the beats of the tune before you play it to get an idea of
where the beats are. I used to make little marks above the notes on the trickier
parts of  tunes to mark the beat.
Cheers
Don
Zudupiper wrote:

> >Anyway, it seems
> >that I have developed the habit of mimicing my instructor's playing to
> >keep time rather than acually counting the beat in my head.
>
> 6/8 is not as intuitive as 2/4 or 4/4, that's for sure.  Mimicking is a good
> way to start.
>
> In fact, it took me a LONG time to learn to march to a 6/8.
>
> You could try a metronome.
>
> But the problem is partly in the way you're expressing the tune, or NOT
> expressing it (if you're not holding the dotted notes, you're killing the
> expression and making it harder to march to).
>
> And at your point of development, you can't really play the tune fast enough to
> sort of compensate for lack of expression, so you're stuck.  It's easier to
> play slower...the expression is the hard part.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Zu




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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds
Date: 03 Mar 2000 06:04:27 GMT

On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:18:35 -0500, "John Mitchell"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>There are some threads I don't follow, but aren't you the guy that
>that went on about Gibson Chanters being Dog Whistles and
>then turned around and ordered 25 of them?

Well John, that was your thread you claim not to have followed. I'm
glad you've made that claim. I'd like you to respond just one more
time before I follow up on it. Just out of fairness. So just spell it
out a little more John, what's behind that claim? Come on, we all want
to know. I'm not going to help you, just stick to your guns and come
right out and explain the whole thing for us.
>
>Are you not the guy that said he heard them at Alma in the years
>of 94,95, 96, 97 or 98, then a personal friend of yours tells me
>that he never saw you at Alma in any of those years?

I think the years I listed were 95, 96, 97, and that was specifically
in reference to hearing Toronto Metro. Oddly enough, it was also very
specific to the "dogwhistle" comment you referred to. So, let's go
John, you tell me what I said and why I said it, and then explain your
whole coy little trap you're trying to lay.


Oh, by the way, name the personal friend, and then tell me if you
think it may be possible that with 40,000 people in attendance, if it
is possible one guy went unseen by one other guy. In any case, John
what you need is a trainer like that Micky Goldstein or whatever in
"Rocky." Then he could yell from the corner, "Stay down Johnny! Stay
down!" Come on Johnny, tell us all I was never at Alma any of those
years. I'd love to hear you just come out and say it. I've knocked you
on your arse again and again with these "inside" little reports you
get, but hell, this one might turn out to be a goodie. You you just
keep getting back up off the canvas so I can knock you in the head
again. Hang that arse out boy, I've got the paddle ready.
>
>You want to talk about the truth!

Actually I want large sums of money and a lot a really good looking
women. Or failing that, a reasonable sum of money and *one* good
looking woman. Oh, yeah, already got that.
>
>You should try politics Mayor Lerwick, you would do well at it!

You should try anything.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Gibson Chanter Model?
Date: 03 Mar 2000 06:04:28 GMT

On Thu, 02 Mar 2000 11:56:08 GMT, "Mark Scheen"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>I've been emailing back and forth with a fellow in Texas about a Gibson
>chanter he has.  We are trying to determine if it's the solo or the band
>model.  Does anyone know how to tell the difference?  We've already been
>through the obvious stuff, like checking for a model number stamped on it.
>Any other hints?  Thanks,

Yeah, email Jerry Gibson with the model number and stop guessing.

Royce

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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: LYNNE MILLER
Date: 03 Mar 2000 06:27:02 GMT

Lynne Miller info:

Lynne Miller's (House of Bagpipes in San Francisco, CA)
phone number - 415-452-4220.
[e-mail]

Andrew
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From: "Matt Buckley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Tune Search
Date: 03 Mar 2000 08:14:55 -0500

I saw Tony Cuffe (ex-Ossian, Jock Tamson's Bairns)
in concert last night in Montpelier. As usual, Tony
played his wonderful pipe tune renditions on the guitar.
He played a particularly nice version of PM Angus C.
MacCleod, a tune I've heard many times but have not
yet learned.  It's time.  Can anyone tell me where to find
it?

Thanks.  Matt

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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Clamp vs Zipper
Date: 03 Mar 2000 07:50:27 -0500

Good Investment!

Bill Burt
Scott Murray wrote in message ...
>I'm thinking about buying a Ross canister bag. Any comments?
>
>Also, I need to decide between clamp or zipper.
>
>I'm a competitive piper so quality, reliability and of course sound is very
>important.
>
>
>
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>
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From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Need help trying to learn the pipes
Date: 03 Mar 2000 08:31:10 -0500

Fred <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
>Your
> favorite hobby, according to him, is to join an organization or band,
> and then after a few weeks assume that you know more than anyone else
> and stir up an enormous amount of crap. I can only assume you'll do the
> same in Florida with the Grade 4 band that you're supposedly helping.
> They'll be thrilled when you leave. Fred

Hey, FRED!!!!! Let's be a little bit fair here!!!!!! We are NOT a Grade 4
band! We HOPE to be some day :) :) :) :) :)
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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kilt prices in the U.S. and Canada
Date: 03 Mar 2000 09:39:36 -0400


Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote in message
<3mHv4.614$[e-mail]>...
>
>>get good deals in Scotland, but if you live in the U.S., the import duty
>will cancel out whatever you might have saved by buying direct. If you are
>in the market for a sporran, might I suggest Nicoll Bros., as their quality
>is superior to Wm. Scott, and their designs are more unique.

Might I humbly suggest L&M for sporrans........they manufacture a very
extensive line and will also consider maufacturing to your design.......
www.scottishfactory.com  is L&M's retail arm.......product is available
directly or through various dealers across the continent............(I have
no pecuniary interest in L&M !)
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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 03 Mar 2000 09:16:59 -0500

On Fri, 03 Mar 2000 06:09:53 -0800, ccc31807
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>,
>[e-mail] (Beginnertunes) wrote:
>>> while 2/4 often has 4 notes to the beat. This means
>>>that 6/8 is easier to play.
>>>
>>
>>I don't know where you get that idea Charles. It's far easier
>(at least for
>>most people) to work in two beats per, that it is to work in
>three beats per.
>
>????????????????????????
>
>1. 6/8 has two beats per measure, 2/4 has two beats to the
>measure. What's the difference? Last time I checked, 2 was equal
>to 2.

Correct. 6/8, though in compound time, does have two beats to the bar.

>2. If you take two typical "easy" marchs, "79's Farewell"
>and "Farewell to the Creeks," the 2/4 has 170 notes in the tune,
>and the 6/8 has 150. Last time I checked, 170 was more than 150.
>This holds true overall. Try it yourself - count the notes and
>compare.

Reminds me of the Python skit - an interview with a Shakespearean
actor. He kept talking about the number of words in various plays.
Finally he reassured the interviewer, "I don't want you to get the
impression it's all just the number of words ... getting them in the
right order is JUST as important."

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cushing PC owners
Date: 03 Mar 2000 09:41:49 -0500

Have you tried the two orthodontic eleastics on the Reed adjustnmment trick?

The Cushing chanters are made louder and more resonant than most PC's. I
suspect that the bore is wider  throughout than most other PC's, particularly
in the lower hand, where the  finger holes are the same size as those of the
GHB chanter, but that's a guess, I haven't measured any others for
comaprison.   I have found that I had to adjust my blowing quite a bit to match
my PC to my son's on the occasions we've noodled aound together- he has my old
Lawrie's standard size PC, BTW.
On the other hand, the Cushing works well at the slightly higher pressure of my
borderpipe bellows and drones, with a MacNeill/Gilmour PC reed.- so I'm
perfectly happy with it as a solo practice instrument.

For your situation, you might want to try different reeds- the Wygent PC reeds
are supposed to work well in the Cushing chanter. There are some
tuning/adjustment tips on The Cushings' new webpage, BTW.



LongTrang wrote:

> Do other Cushing pc owners--or just other pipers who have heard
> them--have trouble getting them 'play nice with the other kids'?
> In other words, I can't get the damn thing to tune with everyone
> else's pc in my band.  Don't get me wrong, it sounds great and
> plays wonderfully, but it's louder and 'deeper' than all of the
> other Gibson, Naill, and Kintail practice chanters I play around.
> Any WORTHWHILE advice?
>
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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 03 Mar 2000 10:03:57 -0500

When I was an instrumental music instructor, back in the early pleistocene ( r so
it seems now),  a loy of beginners would freak out with 6/8 time. Of course, we're
talking about kids here who wer just leqrningto redice fractions at the same
time.  What worked for them might work for beginning pers as well-  I think of
6/8, or any Compound time as being rounder beats than duple time- duple time is
made op of stright back and forth piston-like motions  up and down- you could  tap
quarternotes, for example in 2/4 or 4/4 with one hand, then place the other hand
directly above it and end up tapping the eighth notes - it's a straight up and
down bouncing type of feel.  Compound time does away with that top-end bounce -
the feeling is more of a round, or even oval ,arc from one strong pulse( the first
note of the triplet) to the next.  I would have the students  tap on the beat and
have their hand describe a circle to the next beat.    If that seems weird to you,
then try to tap your foot or whatever to jigs, 6/8 marches, even quick waltzes
Viennese Waltzes swing along at a good rolling clip- there's no time for
flat-footing the 1-2-3- so if you let your self go with the rhythm, you'll pick up
the rolling triplet effect by osmosis. , the rolling or swing, or whatever you
want to call it in compound time isn't hard to grasp by any means- you just have
to let go of the up beat.
BTW, my first competiton marches were 6/8's, but that was also a long time ago.


Beginnertunes wrote:

> > while 2/4 ofter has 4 notes to the beat. This means
> >that 6/8 is easier to play.
> >
>
> I don't know where you get that idea Charles. It's far easier (at least for
> most people) to work in two beats per, that it is to work in three beats per.
> Ask someone to divide a pie in half, then ask them to divide it in thirds,
> chances are it'll be far easier (or more accurate) for them to just slice
> something in half than it is to divide it into thirds.
> We have a few pipers-in-training who are about to start learning their first
> 6/8, I'll let you know what their opinions are in a few weeks. I'm betting they
> choose a 2/4 over a 6/8 anyday.
> Scotia Aye!
> Bill
> What do playing the bagpipes, and throwing a Javelin while blindfolded have in
> common?
> You don't have to be good at either one to get peoples attention!


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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Who do you think you are!
Date: 03 Mar 2000 10:23:15 -0500

> snip
>
> JOHN MITCHELL
> WWF piping champ!

Oh, aye, Rowdy, but not Rodd On second thought , you could be known as
Rowdy Rudie piper, eh, John?

>
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From: Doug Campbell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 03 Mar 2000 10:24:00 -0500

Bet you thought I was going to disagree with you Charles....

Nope.  I also feel that 6/8's are much more intuitive than 2/4's.  It's
all swagger and swing, whereas the 2/4's are filled with really subtle
pulses and accents.   I find the 6/8's much easier to march to because
once you've got the swing feeling down, the rhythm is very even and
steady, whereas the 2/4's, especially the more difficult ones, are like
a musical steeplechase - hedges and fences and puddles everywhere just
waiting for you to fall so they can laugh and say "see?  you miserable
little pretender" and then everybody in the crowd starts laughing and
you realize your pants fell down and you try to run but everything is in
slow motion.  But that's just me.

I guess this would be a good place to reiterate my perception that
certain players pulse 2/4 marches with a heavy 6/8ish pulse.  The tunes
have more swing but it's a different feel altogether.  For an example,
listen to Willie McCallum's rendition of Capt. Campbell of Drumavoisk on
the Glenfiddich Ceol Beag CD, or The Crags of Stirling on his Pipers of
Distinction CD.  Then listen to Gordon Walker's rendition of Crags of
Stirling on his CD and compare the pulsing.  I'm not questioning it - it
is Willie McCallum - but it's not how I've been taught to express a 2/4
march.  Just an observation, and wondering if anybody else knows what
I'm talking about.

Doug C.

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From: aberdeen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Clamp vs Zipper
Date: 03 Mar 2000 19:27:05 GMT

In article <A%iv4.1513$[e-mail]>,
  "Scott Murray" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I'm thinking about buying a Ross canister bag. Any comments?
>
> Also, I need to decide between clamp or zipper.


If you make the decision to go with a Ross Zipper bag, I'd highly
recommend a zipper bag cover to go with it.  It'll make your life a lot
easier.

Carrying can be a problem as well.  Some have used a plastic box they've
gotten from the large hardware stores - like Home Depot.  We and others
now have a deep case for handling the Ross canister bags.  Just
something to keep in mind.

All the best,


Jim Hudgins
Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply
<http://www.AberdeenBagpipe.com>


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 03 Mar 2000 19:27:45 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  Bob Cameron <[e-mail]> wrote:
> When I was an instrumental music instructor, back in the early
> pleistocene ( r so it seems now),  a loy of beginners would freak out
> with 6/8 time. Of course, we're talking about kids here who wer just
> leqrningto redice fractions at the same time.  [...]

I agree - 6/8 time is harder to "get" than 2/4 or 4/4 time, especially
the typical 6/8 march rhythm which makes very heavy use of the
"dotted 8th/16th/8th" or "16th/dotted 8th/8th" rhythms which are
particularly difficult for a beginner to understand.  It's usually
better to start out with simpler 6/8 rhythms, with tunes such as
"Gin I were a Baron's Heir", "Waters of Kylesku", or "Morag of
Dunvegan" (though the rhythm of the last one is slightly more complex).
If you have beginners beat these as 6 beats to the bar at first, they
can get a pretty good feel for the melody before they need to worry
about dividing beats into thirds rather than halves.  This is much
easier than starting out with the 6/8 rhythms that include dotted 8ths.

It's much easier to understand a rhythm that divides in halves, but
it seems to be quite difficult for many people to "hear" the upbeat.
The row of quarter notes is much easier than the row of 8th notes,
which tend to get rushed because of this effect.  Probably for the
same reason, many people find it difficult to give enough weight to
dotted 8th notes;  perhaps the point is that they are "hearing" the
upbeat too early and dividing the dotted 8th/16th rhythm too soon as
a result.  Oddly, the result often seems to approximate fairly closely
the "quarter note/8th note" rhythm of a simple 6/8, but this is NOT
what the beginner perceives himself or herself to be doing.  Likewise,
this problem can often be addressed by counting in double time (4 beats
to a 2/4 bar, 8th note gets one beat) until the beginner starts to
"hear" the upbeat.

Bruce C. Wright


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From: "Peter Anderson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds
Date: 03 Mar 2000 23:37:27 -0000

John - Hi,

Sorry to reply via the Ng. but my update to MS Office 2000 has caused a
failure to let me reply via email.  You asked about Piob. Comps in the UK
ring me on 01932-350100 and I will give you all the help/info I can.

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From: "Ewan A. Macpherson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bore acoustics
Date: 03 Mar 2000 19:18:34 -0500

Steve Bliven wrote:

> What (if anything) happens to the properties of the sound if the bore of
> a woodwind, such as a bagpipe chanter, is oval rather than round?

Not much would happen.  The shape of a 'horn' (which determines its acoustical
properties) depends on how the cross-sectional area varies along its length.
It doesn't much matter whether the cross-section is round, oval or square.
In fact, you can make a creditable replica of a chanter by duplicating its shape
with a square cross-section, see:
http://www-bprc.mps.ohio-state.edu/~bdaye/makepipe/squint1.html

Well, *almost* nothing would happen.  Since air is somewhat viscous, there is
a layer (the boundary layer) which sticks to the wall of the bore and makes the
system a bit laggy.  A circle has the smallest circumference of any shape enclosing
the same area, and therefore the proportion of the air in the boundary layer is the
lowest. If a greater proportion of air is affected by the bore wall (a small increase
for a square, a large increase for a very stretched oval), the sluggishness
increases and the resonant frequency drops a bit.  This is why a narrow tube has
lower resonance frequencies than a wider tube of the same length, as we discussed
a while back.

--
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From: "Matthew Wood" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Clamp vs Zipper
Date: 04 Mar 2000 01:32:31 GMT

But get the zipper model!  Definitely worth the extra money.

Some dealers have it for under $200US.

Matt Wood
McCoill Associates, Pipe Band Supply
[e-mail] wrote in article
<89od4t$9i9$[e-mail]>...
> Good Investment!
>
> Bill Burt
> Scott Murray wrote in message ...
> >I'm thinking about buying a Ross canister bag. Any comments?
> >
> >Also, I need to decide between clamp or zipper.
> >
> >I'm a competitive piper so quality, reliability and of course sound is
very
> >important.
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >
> >Scott Murray
> >Home [phone]
> >Office [phone]
> >Fax [phone]
> >Home e-mail [e-mail]
> >Office e-mail [e-mail]
> >
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> >          | \
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> >
> >
>
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From: "Peter Anderson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds
Date: 03 Mar 2000 23:30:00 -0000

> The weather here would be considered GORGEOUS by most people but I find it
> rather chilly .. . about 75-80 during the days dropping to the mid-50's in
> the evening.

Holly molly - I have never been to to the US.  But chilly ???.  How was it
when you came to the UK - I bet nothing like that, unless you picked our
rather good Summer this year (probally the best we have had for years and
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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kilt prices in the U.S. and Canada
Date: 03 Mar 2000 18:39:13 -0700

He is in the U.S. so you don't have to pay any duties.

Don

Steven & Julie Akins of that Ilk wrote:

> sdon wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
> >You can get a beautiful 16 oz 8 yard kilt from Sandy St. James for about
> $360.00
> >
> >Best deal I know of.
>
> Aye, but if Sandy is in the U.K. and you are in the U.S., you can expect to
> add another $80-$100.00 for import duty once the U.S. Customs folks get
> their hands on it.
>
> Steven Akins of that Ilk
> [e-mail]

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From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Paki Pipes - The Facts vs. The Myths
Date: 04 Mar 2000 06:53:27 GMT

Zudupiper wrote:
>
> >7) Paki pipes can be improved to at least tolerable condition/sound by
> >replacing certain parts with parts from a "real" bagpipe manufacturer.
>
> True.
>
> >8) If a person truly cannot afford a set of "real" pipes, he/she is
> >better off dead or taking up the harmonica than buying a set of Paki's.
>
> False, but only if modified as above.
>
> >9) Paki's are actually fine for the beginner and/or casual/informal use.
>
> True, but only as modified.
>
> >10) Paki pipes really sound exactly like classic Hendersons,
>
> It's all in how you reed them.  I have a set that sounds pretty darn adequate,
> but not Henderson-like.  But then again, a poorly-set-up sset of Hendersons is
> going to sound not unlike these Pakis.
>
> Zu

I just recieved a nice set of Pakistani made pipes.  Good finish, good
tone, its made of Ebony, it has polished bores  (booth pattern drones),
and an engraving style that I designed.
Everything but the bag and chanter work fine.
Mike

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From: "Steve White" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Uk competitions!!
Date: 04 Mar 2000 08:54:16 -0000

Hi John,

I am indeed even more homesick now. Can you give me any leads on when /
where the competition is held - in fact any / all competitions in the area.

Cheers,
Steve White


JOHN BROADWELL wrote in message ...
>Steve, you should have been at the Durham competition recently, listening
to
>all those cool grade two players from Houghton Le Spring and Teeside doing
>here stuff!! Does that make you even more homesick!! :-) LOL!!
>
>Watch out for a young lad called Scott Kidger he won the open march, he's
>only 16 and beat 10 other players (including me) He's in the Houghton 95
>band and is destined, well................ just destined!!!
>
>Slainte
>
>John B
>
>"Steve White" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
>news:89juaj$240g$[e-mail]...
>> Give owa lads - you're makin' es homesick.
>> Cheers,
>> Steve White
>>
>>
>> Chris Eyre wrote in message <89ho12$8kr$[e-mail]>...
>> >Some years ago, there used to be a lovely little Games held in Morpeth,
>> >about 15 miles east of Newcastle, that held a piobaireachd competition.
I
>> >don't know if it is still going. It's the only Games I every knew that
>also
>> >held a Northumbrian Smallpipe competition as well.
>> >
>> >BTW, there is a village nearby called "Once Brewed" and in the centre of
>it
>> >is a pub called "Twice Brewed".
>> >
>> >Chris Eyre
>>
>>
>>
>
>



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From: "Steve White" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Piob Mhor software - where is the web site
Date: 04 Mar 2000 08:55:44 -0000

Hi all,

My old link to the Piob Mhor website seems to be out of date - anyone know
where it resides now. I have some piper friends who would like to obtain the
software / tunes etc.

Cheers,
Steve White



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From: "Matt Buckley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 04 Mar 2000 08:33:54 -0500



Lura <[e-mail]> wrote in article


> There seems to be a real mindset among pipers  regarding beating time.
> Everybody seems to have the attitude that if you can't tap your foot
> correctly to the music, you can't play correctly.   Basically, I
> disagree.
There have GOT to be pipers
> out there that dont engage in this foot tapping/beat counting stuff.
> Right?

Lura -  Don't forget that jigs, reels and hornpipes started life as DANCE
tunes.  If you cannot tap your
foot correctly to the music, you are not playing dance
music.

Cheers.  Matt

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From: "Matt Buckley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) PM Angus C. MacCleod
Date: 04 Mar 2000 08:35:32 -0500

OK - I'll try again.  Yesterday I posted a request regarding the music for
the Donald MacCleod tune
"PM Angus C. MacCleod".  Not a single response.
Can't anyone help?

Cheers.  Matt

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From: "Peter Anderson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd
Date: 03 Mar 2000 23:18:08 -0000


> Actually, Royce, you're right.  Most piobairached players, myself
included,
> consider it a compliment to look out into the audience and see eyes closed
and
> heads nodding.  When good piobaireachd is being played I often find myself
> closing my eyes and slipping into this bizarre sort of trance-like state
where
> I'm almost asleep but completely aware of the tune and the bagpipe and
> everything around me. It's a rare and wonderful musical buzz.
>

Thank God I was not the only one.  At the Brattach Gorm (London Competition)
in 1999 Willie McCallum was playing the winning tune.  His pipes were
fantastic, the tune was fantastic, in fact this was probally the best
tune/pipes/player I had ever heard.  I looked around the room and saw 200+
audience with about 85% with their heads bowed.  I knew I was listening to
something VERY special, the pipes caught in some hypnotic state and very
slowly I drifted off.  This was very embarrasing for two reasons, one I was
Chief Steward and sitting at a very prominent table in full view of all.
The other real 'bummer' was that I was recording the event on my DAT
recorder, which for reasons better known to itself decided to quit during
Willie's tune.  Luckily  I was with John Shone who has since given me a copy
(sorry Willie, I have forgotten my promise to get a copy to you, in the post
next week).  Ages after the comp. I found out that I was not alone and many
many others present had drifted off into a hypnotic trance - how weird



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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PM Angus C. MacCleod
Date: 04 Mar 2000 09:54:12 -0400


Matt Buckley wrote in message <01bf85dc$3d0c9f80$6218e7ce@default>...
>OK - I'll try again.  Yesterday I posted a request regarding the music for
>the Donald MacCleod tune
>"PM Angus C. MacCleod".  Not a single response.
>Can't anyone help?


Well Matt........if any readers knew of him, they would have
responded......we all love to respond to stuff...........so it's probably
safe to say nobody subscribed knows of this dude's tune........have you
spelled his name correctly ?...............do you know who the composer
was?..........is it on somebody's tape or CD?.........any link you might
offer may be of assistance in "closing the loop"

Anyway.......I never heard of it......but at least you have gotten a resonse
!

Good Luck..............David



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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 04 Mar 2000 16:15:38 GMT

>But, pipers ARE musicians (sort of), not mathematicians.
>

Unfortunately a lot of pipers *aren't* musicians at all.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Strathspey Musings
Date: 04 Mar 2000 16:22:48 GMT

>> Is there any problem with beating my foot every other beat, rather
>than every
>> beat, in solo competition?

According to teacher/ judge, not a problem at all.  The foot tapping is a means
to an end, and if it helps me to pulse things better by half-counting (or
whatever the right technical term is), then it's worth it.

>Great questions!

Unfortunately almost nobody answered. ; )

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Questions about  Piobaireachd Music
Date: 04 Mar 2000 16:33:53 GMT

>Be warned. Piobaireachd is an acquired taste.

True.  It's less intuitive than any other kind of pipe music.  I'm going to
describe a piobarieachd as "a slow air, followed by a standardized and stylized
set of variations that progress in complexity".

Piob is a subtle thing.  It doesn't usually have an immediate appeal.  Sort of
like your first beer.

Pipers can appreciate good piob, because they know what goes into it, what it
takes to make a good performance, the technique, the pipe setup, etc.  If a
piob is played really well, other people might like it too, but only if the
piper can express it really clearly.

Think of a piob as a non-metrical (or free-form) slow air followed by
variations.  A complete piob lasts anywhere from 7 to 15 minutes, in some cases
more.

Typical light-music (ie everything else) pipe tunes last 1-2 minutes.

Zu

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From: Richard Mao <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 04 Mar 2000 13:15:40 -0500


Hi...

When I'm teaching my beginners.... when they get to 6/8's (marches not jigs)....
I teach Skye Boat Song, My Home, then Bonnie Dundee..in that order...
(introduction to the idiom and then tunes that gradually step up the tempo)

I agree with singing the tune... and I tell my beginners not to get too hung up
on figuring out the length of the dot versus cut versus plain notes ... think
"long,  short short long,  short short looong, etc."  "Speeeed bon ny booooat,
like a biiiiird on the wiiiinnnggg" etc.... play TO the long notes... ignore the
bar lines... and you'll get the feel...

My Home has a waltzy feel... and Bonnie Dundee .... a swing o' the kilt feel.

Another example of Scottish Pipe music...needing to be learned from example...
because often the music is not played the way it's written...

Just an alternate way of thinking aboot it....hope it helps...

Use things & love people
     not the other way aroundàDiana Leising

Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( [e-mail] )






ccc31807 wrote:

> The best way to learn 6/8 is to sing it. Preferably very loudly
> in the shower. Also, clap your hands or stamp your foot on each
> beat. Emphasize each beat, in fact over-emphasize it. After a
> year of singing, you won't have any trouble at all.
>
> I disagree with Zu that 6/8 is less intuitive than 2/4. It
> depends on the tune, but 6/8s IMO are more melodic and tuneful
> than 2/4s, and can be learned easily.
>
> Also, if you look at the more advanced tunes, you will see that
> 6/8 has fewer notes than 2/4. 6/8 rarely has more than 3 notes
> to a beat, while 2/4 ofter has 4 notes to the beat. This means
> that 6/8 is easier to play.
>
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 04 Mar 2000 21:07:08 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  "Jim Price" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>   "Music" when printed (sheet music), can be passed on and described
> in mathematical terms. "Music" when played on any instrument cannot
> be described in mathematical terms. Any music that is played with
> the sheet music or mathematics in mind literally becomes a photo copy
> of printed music and can sound as such. [...]
>   I think what I am trying to say is that  2/4, 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, 9/8
> etc. music notation can be taught but that the music, regardless of
> time signature, must be acquired and developed by the band or
> student.

I can't really say that I disagree with this at all, but the techniques
that I outlined in my previous article are intended to try to get the
point of the notation across to the student.  If you can't understand
the notation, you really have no reference point to use to start to
understand the music.  If you always play everything according to a
strict interpretation of the written score, you are going to sound like
a "Robopiper" and you will be losing your musical interpretation.

But for the student starting to learn to read music, this is an
advanced subject that needs to be deferred until he or she is able
to understand the written score.

Bruce C. Wright


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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 04 Mar 2000 21:36:06 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:
> >Do you think it's easier for most people to learn the timing
> >properly of a 2/4, or a 6/8 ?
>
> If we're talking simple street marches, 2/4 definitely.  Tunes like
> High Road to Gairloch, Brown haired Maiden, etc.  It's kind of hard
> to screw those up as far as timing goes.

It's certainly easier to understand the rhythm of a 2/4 than that of a
6/8, but I think it's going much too far to say that it's hard to mess
up the timing on the simple 2/4 marches.  It's actually quite easy to
do so (rushing the 8th notes, not holding the dots long enough, etc).
These tunes are deceptively difficult for the beginning piper who has
not had much previous musical instruction.  Even pipers who have been
playing for quite a while can make a musical hash of the simple 2/4's
if they haven't been taught how to count them properly.

Hymn tunes are often much easier to teach beginning pipers than even
the easiest 2/4 march.  (With the exception of the most common pipe
arrangement of "Amazing Grace", which has been fancied up to where it
has a lot of technique and timing issues that beginning pipers find to
be a considerable challange).  For example, the tune "By Cool Siloam's
Shady Rill" in Sandy Jones' tutor book makes a much better first tune
than "Amazing Grace" although a first glance at the book might make it
appear that "Amazing Grace" is the recommended first tune.  Hymn tunes
also have the advantage that the beginner is likely to be familiar with
the melody anyway.  The reason that hymn tunes are easier is precisely
because they are designed to be sung by untrained singers, and have no
odd intervals or timing.  The same is not likely to be true of a pipe
arrangement of one of Handel's or Mozart's choral works unless you have
deliberately chosen one of the easy ones.

The easier 4/4 marches also tend to be much easier for the beginner
than any of the 2/4's:  "Bonnie Galloway", for example, and for many
of the same reasons.  Obviously the student will have to graduate from
such things to somewhat more advanced tunes like "High Road" and
"Scotland the Brave" before they will be much use to most bands, but
it does provide a place to start.

Bruce C. Wright


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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds
Date: 04 Mar 2000 23:08:30 GMT

On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 02:35:27 -0500, "John Mitchell"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Royce Lerwick <[e-mail]> wrote in
>> On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:18:35 -0500, "John Mitchell"
>> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> >There are some threads I don't follow, but aren't you the guy that
>> >that went on about Gibson Chanters being Dog Whistles and
>> >then turned around and ordered 25 of them?
>>
>> Well John, that was your thread you claim not to have followed. I'm
>> glad you've made that claim. I'd like you to respond just one more
>> time before I follow up on it. Just out of fairness. So just spell it
>> out a little more John, what's behind that claim? Come on, we all want
>> to know. I'm not going to help you, just stick to your guns and come
>> right out and explain the whole thing for us.
>
>Did you, or did you not try to place an order with Jerry Gibson for
>chanters?

That wasn't your claim John. You claimed I ordered and implied I *had*
a set of Gibson dogwhistles, which would have been the 96 version
which were dogwhistles. I didn't order any of those, and have not got
a set of them.

>Jerry E-mailed me and asked why you were placing an order for 25
>Gibson Chanters.

Jerry also emailed all his chums and distributors, instead of getting
back to me on the request, which was as follows: Can you deliver 24
delrin pipe chanters within one week to Shetland piper at a dealer
rate? Instead of posting me back, he took 5 days emailing you and
everyone else boasting that I had placed an order. Then he replied
with a coy load of BS about how he'd polled all his loyal dealers and
it would be unfair to deliver product to any specific dealer, or band
for that matter it seems, directly. He gave me some crap about how he
understood I was "strictly a Kron supporter" when in fact, long before
he was on the net or anyone had heard of you or CE Kron, I was talking
about Gibsons, had a whole set of them and so forth. In fact, there
were some problems with the material and workmanship aspects of the
Gibson product I had noted years before the Kron/Gibson rivalry
started here, but the primary complaint remains consistency in chanter
pitch/design, and customer service.

As we see now, though I would not have mentioned it had you not kept
making an f'ing public issue of it, and had Jerry's Kids not kept
circulating this rumor around with glee, that I did not in fact
purchase a set of Gibson chanters, because he doesn't do "fast" or
"straightforward" very well at all, and this has been true for the
nearly 20 years that I've known of him and his product. By the time
he'd bragged around and took his poll and got back to me, the band I
was representing had secured another maker's product, who did in fact
have a matched set in the bin and ready to go by express post
immediately. What Jerry gave me, was about two days left to go through
his list of "approved dealers" and make some negotiation about a
price, see if they had the quantity on hand, and then try to get them
on a plane. But, I would not ever buy anything they had in stock. I
would insist they order a matched set from the lathe as a batch order.
So they'd just end up doing what I'd already gone through with Jerry
all over again. And Jerry hadn't answered the main question: can you
get me a set in a week? The stupidity of this is obvious.

For one, the PM and advisors involved were in fact dubious of Gibson's
ability to supply a chanter that would play in with a set of Sinclairs
due in the summer, based exactly on the many many Gibson chanters we'd
all seen in the last 3-4 years, none of which would play together, and
all of which (with the exception of the 97 model I'd played) almost
demanded MacAllisters, which are unavailable, or in the newer Gibson
chanter models, these seem to be either solo models or or band models,
and again for that reason or whatever, they don't all seem even now to
be pitched the same. In short, any band who orders *any* chanter from
*any* dealer who just grabs a mixed, random handful off the shelf is a
band run by idiots. Jerry should know this. Bands buy chanters
preferably made on the same day on the same machine by the same monkey
on the same lathe using the same wood and tools. There are a few shops
I would trust outside this general safety precaution, because their
specs are so firmly established and tolerances so fine that
reproducibility is assured. Gibson isn't one of these at all.

I in fact made the Gibson recommendation in that the chanter has done
well in our grade and above and I had personally played one as a solo
chanter backing up a new Sinclair in another band only a couple of
years before, so we knew they'd play together. But the truth is, I was
getting crap from you about this "purchase" before I'd even heard back
from Gibson about his ability to meet the order.

But I wasn't surprised. Some 20 years previously, when Jerry Gibson
was just some old Army piper hack trying to make chanters--which by
the way were more like Hardie copies, and not Sinclairs--and I was a
new grade 2 PM shopping for chanters, I'd sent Jerry a note asking why
his little brochures I'd run into were claiming he'd sealed the
chanter throat to insure it stayed in tune. (He was calling it the
Gibson True-Tone Chanter.) He had no reputation at all, he had nobody
playing his chanters outside of a few bands grade 3 or 4, and I don't
think he was even attempting drones back then. The guy *I* was back
then was the PM of one of the top 3-4 grade 2 bands on the West Coast.
In any case, the usefulness or wisdom of sealing a blackwood chanter
bore was questioned and instead of replying, he chose to slag me off
to the PM of the Monterrey band I'd got the pamphlet from. He never
replied and he never got the order. In this case, he at least replied
so that's some improvement. But he still didn't or wouldn't supply the
product.

>Is Jerry Gibson a Liar?

No, just not very swift or something. But then, I can only speak on
this one issue. I really didn't want the Gibsons as a first choice.
You know I wanted Krons. I wanted the phenolic at first, but then Dave
sent out a new woodie with the phenolic and I think I'll be the first
to say that it beats the hell out of a Sinclair. It's not "as good as"
it's better. And that's a solo version--if I can get Dave to do the
band tweaks on the bore, then you have a *monster* sweet band chanter
with huge tone. The phenolic is more rugged and I think in the field
would have more clarity and edge, but the price of the woodie is a
giveaway. My evaluation of course, and I wasn't the guy making the
decision.

But, the offer of the Krons at a good price was made to this newly
formed local band, and apparently the powers-that-be didn't hear what
I heard. I'm going to mention naturally, that I think they'll be very
sorry passing up both the product and the price I had negotiated for
them, because there have been some very big developments in band
circles as well as solo that are going to make it far more difficult
to get the Kron products in the future. We got new Warmacs instead,
which are good, consistent chanters that I also know will play in with
the Sinclairs. I just think we're going to be playing against Krons in
the near future using "yesterday's" workhorse chanters and it's going
to cost us. (Can you hear the nails being hammered into the cross in
my tone?)

I think there may be some sort of an explanation here though. The guys
who tested the Krons locally are the product of the Ontario circuit.
The guys like you who tested the Krons are products of the same
circuit. Similar comments were made about not really caring for the
tone in one case, or not being able to put a "good reed" into it and
have it sound very good in another. But other pipers and PMs who have
not been conditioned by whatever "sound" or "methods" you guys are
promoting up there, have on the contrary, been immediately stunned by
the clarity and projection of the phenolic for instance, or the
brilliant sweetness of the wood, and have commented on how easily
these chanters take any reed--even the new piece-of-crap-Shepherds.

In any case, the Kron phenolic (and drones) is getting a workout in
the professional solo boards right now by Mr. Gillies and others you
claim to personally know and so should be able to ring them right up
and ask, and will soon be plying the field with a notable grade 1 band
I think, so we'll see.

>It's a simple question, answer it directly or you get nothing else!

Well John, it's a simple question, and you're a simpleton so that's
the sort of question you like to ask, but answers to simple questions
are often far more complicated than you're dim grasp on logic and
reason are capable of sustaining. And you've got nothing to give.
These sorts of ultimatums are pretty embarassing for you.

>> >Are you not the guy that said he heard them at Alma in the years
>> >of 94,95, 96, 97 or 98, then a personal friend of yours tells me
>> >that he never saw you at Alma in any of those years?
>>
>> I think the years I listed were 95, 96, 97, and that was specifically
>> in reference to hearing Toronto Metro. Oddly enough, it was also very
>> specific to the "dog whistle" comment you referred to. So, let's go
>> John, you tell me what I said and why I said it, and then explain your
>> whole coy little trap you're trying to lay.
>
>This is exactly why,  I and many others do not have anytime for
>a sniveling weasel like you. You mince the words and it's a complete
>waste of time rehashing old ground with shit like this.

So why do you give it a second or third try? You came up looking
stupid two or three times already. Lay down and wait for the count.
>
>"Dogwhistle" WAS THE WORD THAT *YOU* COINED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No really, but it's a word I used to describe the 96 version of the
Gibson band chanter. I think it's been pretty universally applied. I
had one in my mouth, I blew it, I don't even need to hear the Metro to
make that judgment. In fact, I heard the Stirling pipe band of
Winnipeg/Stirling/Transcona Manitoba playing the Gibsons, 95/96, and
97 for all those three years and more. I think Ian Evans was a Gibson
dealer so he always had the latest model, and in 97 I think he was
talking specifically about waiting for the 97 model to come out so he
could change the band over because, again, of the pitch-creep
problems. I heard them a couple of times a season, and every season
locally at the MacAlester games in St. Paul from the obscure reached
os the past decades to the present upcoming games in May. (Except
they're minus a drum corps this year.)
>
>So lets see, that leaves the years of 95,96 & 97 that Traou were
>there to personally hear these Dog Whistles.
>
>First the Metro Band didn't exist in 97, so you lied there.

No, I said I was at Alma over a range of years and I'd heard the
dogwhistles. I think the Metro Band did in fact exist in 97 or had
morphed into Peel Regional/Police, whatever the hell they began
calling themselves, but they didn't go to Alma because they got pissed
off at the committee over some beer tent loafing or something and they
missed the massed bands or whatever. The Metro band was at Alma, I did
hear them twice I believe, whatever f'ing years that was. And they did
sound high and thin, certainly compared to the Frasers. Just why a man
with no inherent conception of Right or Wrong assumes he can tell
Truth from Lies is a curiosity indeed.

In fact, one year, maybe my dorm room was right across the hall from
Jake Watson I think. While I was doing my lame birl-recovery warmups
all morning, he was across the way burning holes into the PC, and
somebody came in and pointed out that it sounded like duelling PC's
and I was losing, because that was the "PM of Toronto Metro." Who that
was at that time I don't give a shite and it's not germain to the
point is is John?

But really, what you really want to do is drop names and show us all
how tight you are with the insiders in Ontario, so these little
irrelevant details are very crucial to your arguments, though
meaningless to anyone else, because your self-worth is based not on
hearing the Gibson 96 dogwhistles and evaluation them personally, but
on personally knowing Jake Watson et al and relaying your "inside"
perspective on what Jake Watson et al thought/thinks of them.

>Second: 95 & 96 were the peak years of the Metro band,
>which had a sound that very few bands in the world could
>even hope to reproduce.

Or want to in some cases.
>
>That's not bragging, that's a stated fact from many judges!!!!

And not in many other cases. In fact, I think it was Watson himself
who scrapped the "dogwhistles" in the end but then, maybe you can let
the man speak for himself, since you're such good buddies and all.
Just tell him to post a note here and defend his good pal Jerry
Gibson...unless of course, he's reluctant to do that for some reason?
>
>And as for the Friend you never saw at Alma for the
>three consecutive years  you claim you attended,

Funny, but a "friend" would have emailed me long ago and asked why
"that dickweed Mitchell" is going on and on about the Gibson
dogwhistles and whether or not you heard them at Alma sometime or the
other." Haven't heard from any "friends" on this yet.

It think the fact that I was on the roster as PS of two bands in 95
and 97 at least, should be enough evidence that I was there, or the
fact that I posted a long-reigning harrangue on the Anti-American
editorial in the P&D Mr. Berthoff was passing out in the lobby of the
auditorium during the Fraser concert on the Friday before, or the fact
that I was in the Fraser warmup session with a whole band full of
companions in 97 would just sort of indicate that you're full of crap
again. I can only assume you hang out with a very exclusive, closed
circle of self-deluding morons.

>The Alma Games may have 40,000 spectators, but there is
>only a couple hundred bandsmen.

Math isn't your strong point, is it? One needle. 40,000 pieces of
straw. You're short on this "vision" thing, the ability to
conceptualise abstract relationships. But I think you're just trying
to fish for something like a claim of how this guy was in my band/s at
the time. It's funny when even you know you're screwed, but you just
gamely hang in there hoping against hope that somehow you'll be able
to argue yourself into being anything short of a complete goof.

>I don't think

You could stop the sentence right there.

>he could have
>missed you.

Because, I think you're trying to get me to spill some sort of
assertion that this guy you've left unnamed was in my band/s at the
time and this is your pathetically amateurish way of extracting a
self-indicting statement of some sort.

>Your so full of shit your eyes are brown!

They're a very pretty shade of blue as it happens. I also have three
pupils, two in one eye, because my little brother shot me in the eye
with a bb gun in Johnson City Tennessee in 1968, the grinning little
smartass, and knocked the iris loose on one side. I spent two weeks in
the Johnson City Eye Hospital, bandaged blind with my brother Alan's
receiver and headphones on, listening to Glen Campbell, the Turtles,
Donovan, and waiting for "Sky Pilot" to come on so I could hear the
flanger effect. But I don't hold grudges.

Royce


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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Gibson Chanter Model?
Date: 04 Mar 2000 23:11:36 GMT

On Sat, 04 Mar 2000 21:07:47 GMT, "Mark Scheen"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>FWIW, I emailed Jerry Gibson to find out if he had anything helpful to say,
>and he says the differences are all internal and he's the only one that can
>tell.  Sure would be nice if he stamped a model number, "SOLO", "BAND", or
>some other identifying mark on them for the rest of us mortals.

And there you have it. The perfect post script to my big response to
John on the Gibson pipe chanter. If I can't tell, and you can't tell,
and only Jerry Gibson can tell by whatever magic internal indications
he's looking for (No man knows my geometry...) then how is some dealer
supposed to tell? He can't. So don't order a set of chanters from a
dealer for a band unless he's getting them made and matched in a batch
directly from the lathe.

Royce

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From: "Steve White" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Piob Mhor software - where is the web site
Date: 04 Mar 2000 23:09:44 -0000

Hi Bill,
Thanks for the kind offer. I've still got a copy of the older stuff on my
PC.
Cheers,
Steve White


Beginnertunes wrote in message
<[e-mail]>...
>>My old link to the Piob Mhor website seems to be out of date - anyone know
>>where it resides now. I have some piper friends who would like to obtain
the
>>software / tunes etc.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Steve White
>
>Sorry Steve, the piob mhor site is gone. MacMillian decided to stop
supporting
>his software.
>You can still get the demo prog and piob2000 file from several people here.
If
>you haven't already gotten it by the time you read this, reply to me
privately.
>Scotia Aye!
>Bill
>What do playing the bagpipes, and throwing a Javelin while blindfolded have
in
>common?
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From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Strathspey Musings
Date: 04 Mar 2000 23:35:27 GMT

Hi Zu,
I love to hear a strathspey played at around 120
if the strathspey is light, you should be able to get up there if you are in
grade 2
if it is a heavier strathspey then you are going to have to suffer the slow
tempo in order to be able to accent the proper pulsing
Remember, swmw is a "guide" every strathspey is different, there are pick up
notes and runs that are accented differently but on the whole if a novice
sticks to swsw I am happy...therefore the beating of every second beat is
great to start out with!
Struan Robertson is a difficult enough tune to pulse when you are an
experienced player, let alone novice...I hate the tune myself...have you
tried  Dornie Ferry for example? It has a classic swmw pulse and is quite
easy to point
How many strathspeys have you under your belt thus far?? Have you gotten the
hang of just how the strathspey pulse goes? Are you having difficulty with
the pulse each new strathspey that you learn?
I find that my students need at least 4 or 5 two parters that are very
melodic and classic swmw pulsing strathspeys before they get the hang of
applying the same strathspey principles to each new one that they learn.
Maybe the speed of the tune is not the problem Zu as much as being able to
play a great tachum fast enough to keep the tune rolling along? or runs fast
enough...We do alot of strathspey exercise playing...A good bunch of
exercises in general are Bruce Gandy's control exercises...If there was any
interest...I could scan mine and send them to whomever is interested. They
are great for limbering up the fingers and getting yourself in "strathspey
mode"
and remember...choose your tune carefully...ask other experienced pipers
what they think...(I still do, and I play open) pick one that accentuates
the positive aspects of your playing..
practice finger control, accuracy and speed  when practicing your tunes
and use the metronome to get to the speed you want...(pick up the beat by 2
beats everytime you practice a part) now that is AFTER you have memorized
the tune!
Do a part at a time...perfect it..memorize it and put the speed to it!,
circle on your music, the "exact spot/phrase" where you go off of the
metronome tempo, to isolate problem areas. Once fixed..the part should sail
along..
I'm off my soapbox....Good luck and good strathspey playing Zu
Zudupiper wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>>> Is there any problem with beating my foot every other beat, rather
>>than every
>>> beat, in solo competition?
>
>According to teacher/ judge, not a problem at all.  The foot tapping is a
means
>to an end, and if it helps me to pulse things better by half-counting (or
>whatever the right technical term is), then it's worth it.
>
>>Great questions!
>
>Unfortunately almost nobody answered. ; )
>
>Zu



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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Questions about  Piobaireachd Music
Date: 05 Mar 2000 01:10:40 GMT

>You just lost every scotsman or Irishman that was reading this thread Dave!

First beer of one's LIFETIME, not first beer of the DAY.

Sheesh.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Strathspey Musings
Date: 05 Mar 2000 01:39:21 GMT

>I love to hear a strathspey played at around 120
>if the strathspey is light, you should be able to get up there if you are in
>grade 2

Grade 3, but I want to graduate to grade 2 after this season.

>Struan Robertson is a difficult enough tune to pulse when you are an
>experienced player, let alone novice...

I didn't have a big selection to choose from.  I wanted "Dorrator Bridge" but
my light music teacher called it a cheesy damn tune and said he didn't like it.

>How many strathspeys have you under your belt thus far??

A little light one, a medium one, one that's too heavy, and the one I'm working
on.

>Have you gotten the
>hang of just how the strathspey pulse goes?

I'm beginning to get a handle on that now.  I had no clue at all last season,
unfortunately.

>I find that my students need at least 4 or 5 two parters that are very
>melodic and classic swmw pulsing strathspeys before they get the hang of
>applying the same strathspey principles to each new one that they learn.

I wish I'd done that.

>Maybe the speed of the tune is not the problem Zu as much as being able to
>play a great tachum fast enough to keep the tune rolling along?

Only a couple of tachums in Struan Robertson, but each time I ratchet the tempo
up a notch, something else needs work.  And it seems to be a different
something each time.  Second part of that tune's a bear.

>A good bunch of
>exercises in general are Bruce Gandy's control exercises...If there was any
>interest...I could scan mine and send them to whomever is interested.

I didn't know he had a book out.  I'd like to have a copy of those!

>pick one that accentuates
>the positive aspects of your playing..

Muuuhaha.  Last season my strathspey playing had very few positive aspects...

>(pick up the beat by 2
>beats everytime you practice a part)

Assuming you're counting every beat, not every other one, right?

It takes me an annoyingly long time to get a strathspey/reel set off.  I've
been working on this one for about 4 months, and I'm probably 2 more months
away from putting the finishing touches on it.

But I've got different teachers and a whole new learning methodology this year,
and it does seem to be paying off.  Should have been going to these guys years
ago.  I'd either be in grade 1 by now, or else not piping at all ; )

Thanks,

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 05 Mar 2000 01:23:15 GMT

>I am an "immitation piper"

Have you turned orange with age yet?  Or are you the newer model that stays the
same color?

>When we play the tunes
>together, all of us make some mistakes because we're not experts, but I
>don't make any more mistakes than anybody else and I am quite capable of
>playing exactly in synch so that we sound like one instrument.

Do you all make the same mistakes at the same time, or do you take turns making
the mistakes? Perhaps you trade off, as in "I'll miss some doublings here if
you'll crush a couple D throws and whiff a birl there...."

Zu
feeling facetious

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 05 Mar 2000 01:18:40 GMT

> but I think it's going much too far to say that it's hard to mess
>up the timing on the simple 2/4 marches.

The worst that you can really do to a 2/4 like the ones I mentioned is play
them too round, and then they just sound boring.

>The easier 4/4 marches also tend to be much easier for the beginner
>than any of the 2/4's:

Why would that be?  2/4 vs 4/4 is just an idiom difference.  Can you give me
some specific tunes you had in mind?

>somewhat more advanced tunes like "High Road" and
>"Scotland the Brave"

I would call STB somewhat more advanced, but not High Road.  It's one of the
simplest light 2/4's out there I think.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PM Angus C. MacCleod
Date: 05 Mar 2000 02:04:14 GMT

> found this information by checking in Bob Pekaar's invaluable "Encyclopedia
>of Tunes
>for the GHB".

Good Lord, I hope Bob doesn't read this post, his heids big enough already.
The grouchy old bugger!

Just a joke Bob, honest!

Jim

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 05 Mar 2000 02:58:44 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:
> > but I think it's going much too far to say that it's hard to mess
> >up the timing on the simple 2/4 marches.
>
> The worst that you can really do to a 2/4 like the ones I mentioned
> is play them too round, and then they just sound boring.

Not true.  If you can't place the upbeat properly, then you'll either
get the even 8th notes (those without the dot-cut) out of kilter, or
get to the next downbeat "ahead" or "behind" the proper beat, or both.
In any event you're likely to get a feeling of "tripping" rather than
"marching".

> >The easier 4/4 marches also tend to be much easier for the beginner
> >than any of the 2/4's:
>
> Why would that be?  2/4 vs 4/4 is just an idiom difference.  Can you
> give me some specific tunes you had in mind?

In general, the melody notes in a 2/4 march are quarter notes, eighth
notes, and sixteenth notes, possibly with dot-cut runs to have a few
32nd notes alternate with the 16th notes.  By contrast, the melody
notes in a typical 4/4 march are half notes, quarter notes, and eighth
notes.  Any 16th note runs (with or without the dotted 16th/32nd note
pointing) are few and far between;  most 4/4 marches don't have them at
all.  The point is that the melody "flows" more slowly in a 4/4, since
the phrases are generally twice as long.

In an "easy" 4/4 march, there is little else _but_ quarter notes and
half notes.  As long as you can keep any kind of an even tempo at all,
there is little room for error in subdividing the beats.

For example, a typical phrase in "Bonnie Galloway":

    bar 1:

      dotted quarter note/eighth note/quarter note/quarter note

    bar 2:

      eighth note/dotted quarter note/half note

Contrast this with "Brown Haired Maiden" where there aren't all that
many quarter notes and no half notes at all, with most of the tune
being 8th notes or dotted 8th/16th note pairs.

Other examples of what I would call "easy 4/4's":  "The Sash My Father
Wore", "Auld Hoose", "Roddie McCorley", and perhaps "Twenty Men From
Dublin Town" and "Rose of Allendale".  You may need to remove some of
the embellishments from some arrangements of these tunes to make them
appropriate for some beginners, but the basic melodies are very simple.
"The Rowan Tree" and "Kelly the Boy From Killane" are a slight step up
from these tunes without getting into the difficulties of even most of
the easier 2/4 marches, at least if some of the embellishments found
in some of the arrangements are left out.  "Will Ye No Come Back" and
"Minstrel Boy" are yet another slight step up, adding a few more 8th
note pairs, often with a dot/cut in many arrangements.  Again, I'm just
talking about the melody, not the embellishments that you might find in
any particular arrangement.

> >somewhat more advanced tunes like "High Road" and
> >"Scotland the Brave"
>
> I would call STB somewhat more advanced, but not High Road.  It's one
> of the simplest light 2/4's out there I think.

STB is certainly more advanced;  it's close to the top-of-the-line 4/4
march.  But my point is that even High Road is more advanced than you
think for the beginner who is still learning about timing.  The fact
that it is one of the simplest 2/4's just shows that even the light
2/4's as a group are more difficult for the beginner than the light
4/4 marches.  In fact, if you compare the difficulty of High Road and
Scotland the Brave, most of the additional difficulty in Scotland the
Brave is in its embellishments, not its timing.  The only place in
Scotland the Brave that causes significantly more timing trouble for
beginners than High Road is the dotted 16th/32nd note run at the end
of the first line.

Bruce C. Wright


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Clamp vs Zipper
Date: 04 Mar 2000 22:29:08 -0500

Point taken.  The nice thing is that you also don't have to worry about
moisture on wet days (especially in Scotland!), the bag simply takes care of
that and you play on!

Bill
John Mitchell wrote in message <38bff4bc_1@127.0.0.1>...
><[e-mail]> wrote in
>> Good Investment!
>>
>> Bill Burt
>
>Bill, I wouldn't say Investment. Their pretty well the same cost
>of a good sheep skin bag. The bonus is, it's payed for itself by
>the time someone is on their second sheep skin.
>
>No more tying in, or seasoning and better Moisture control.
>
>I just can't figure out why anyone would want to use
>an animal hide bag.
>
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Clamp vs Zipper
Date: 04 Mar 2000 22:32:43 -0500

As to a case, The British Shop is carrying a pipe case specially designed
with the Ross bag in mind.  Not all that expensive, either, though I've been
told that in the Westchester area of NY  who is said to be charging double
what British Shop charges.   I'm only repeating what was said to me.

Bill Burt

aberdeen wrote in message <89p3m1$tp2$[e-mail]>...
>In article <A%iv4.1513$[e-mail]>,
>  "Scott Murray" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> I'm thinking about buying a Ross canister bag. Any comments?
>>
>> Also, I need to decide between clamp or zipper.
>
>
>If you make the decision to go with a Ross Zipper bag, I'd highly
>recommend a zipper bag cover to go with it.  It'll make your life a lot
>easier.
>
>Carrying can be a problem as well.  Some have used a plastic box they've
>gotten from the large hardware stores - like Home Depot.  We and others
>now have a deep case for handling the Ross canister bags.  Just
>something to keep in mind.
>
>All the best,
>
>
>Jim Hudgins
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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Strathspey Musings
Date: 04 Mar 2000 23:53:37 -0500

On 05 Mar 2000 01:39:21 GMT, [e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:

>I didn't have a big selection to choose from.  I wanted "Dorrator Bridge" but
>my light music teacher called it a cheesy damn tune and said he didn't like it.

Hmm, I remember Guelph playing one of the best MSR's I ever heard -
Montreal 1981 - Donald Cameron, Dorrator Bridge, and John Morrison of
Assynt House.  Brilliant.

No cheese in the house.

Chris
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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 04 Mar 2000 20:30:43 -0900

Lura wrote:

> Well I disagree with Bill and CCC.  I am an "immitation piper" and I
> play just as good as anybody else on my level.

What level would that be?

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From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Strathspey Musings
Date: 05 Mar 2000 05:43:38 GMT

I agree, Dorrator Bridge is an excellent tune Chris!
And particularly fitting for grade 3...a lonnnnnnnng time ago, when Dad had
our band it was their band strathspey! Right at the level Im thinking
Lori
Chris Hamilton wrote in message
<[e-mail]>...
>On 05 Mar 2000 01:39:21 GMT, [e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:
>
>>I didn't have a big selection to choose from.  I wanted "Dorrator Bridge"
but
>>my light music teacher called it a cheesy damn tune and said he didn't
like it.
>
>Hmm, I remember Guelph playing one of the best MSR's I ever heard -
>Montreal 1981 - Donald Cameron, Dorrator Bridge, and John Morrison of
>Assynt House.  Brilliant.
>
>No cheese in the house.
>
>Chris
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Strathspey Musings
Date: 05 Mar 2000 06:00:17 GMT


Zudupiper wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>>I love to hear a strathspey played at around 120
>>if the strathspey is light, you should be able to get up there if you are
in
>>grade 2
>
>Grade 3, but I want to graduate to grade 2 after this season.

Then its a perfect time to look for the "perfect" tune! Always be searching
for something that comes off easily for you the first time through...
accentuate the positive remember...
>
>>Struan Robertson is a difficult enough tune to pulse when you are an
>>experienced player, let alone novice...
>
>I didn't have a big selection to choose from.  I wanted "Dorrator Bridge"
but
>my light music teacher called it a cheesy damn tune and said he didn't like
it.

Hmm, Dorrator Bridge is perfect for Grade 3, and is far from a "cheesy" tune
IMHO
>
>>How many strathspeys have you under your belt thus far??
>
>A little light one, a medium one, one that's too heavy, and the one I'm
working
>on.
>
One of each type is not enough in my opinion...try some High Road to Linton,
Captain Horne, etc...stuff right out of the Guards book

>>Have you gotten the
>>hang of just how the strathspey pulse goes?
>
>I'm beginning to get a handle on that now.  I had no clue at all last
season,
>unfortunately.

Never attempt tunes unless guided in them first I always say! ;-)))
saves embarassment later...;-)))
>
>>I find that my students need at least 4 or 5 two parters that are very
>>melodic and classic swmw pulsing strathspeys before they get the hang of
>>applying the same strathspey principles to each new one that they learn.
>
>I wish I'd done that.

It's never too late you know!
>
>>Maybe the speed of the tune is not the problem Zu as much as being able to
>>play a great tachum fast enough to keep the tune rolling along?
>
>Only a couple of tachums in Struan Robertson, but each time I ratchet the
tempo
>up a notch, something else needs work.  And it seems to be a different
>something each time.  Second part of that tune's a bear.

I was just using the "tachum" for an example Zu...each tune has its "bears"
thats for sure
you just have to systematically eliminate them....then you tape
yourself...find out that you are technically proficient at the tune, but
lack the musicality needed....its time to insert what I call..."feeling"
"ooomph" etc
really bringing out the best in the tune...reading between the lines....
>
>>A good bunch of
>>exercises in general are Bruce Gandy's control exercises...If there was
any
>>interest...I could scan mine and send them to whomever is interested.
>
>I didn't know he had a book out.  I'd like to have a copy of those!

They were from a workshop, just photocopies, but I would be happy to
share...give me a week and I will mail them to you..(gives me time to dig em
out, get to Staples to scan em and get back to you)
>
>>pick one that accentuates
>>the positive aspects of your playing..
>
>Muuuhaha.  Last season my strathspey playing had very few positive
aspects...

It's all about progression....don't worry that you can't run just yet...be
happy you are joggin....;-))
>
>>(pick up the beat by 2
>>beats everytime you practice a part)
>
>Assuming you're counting every beat, not every other one, right?

I mean everytime you sit down with that tune...your aim is to pick up the
speed after of course that you have memorized it and accomplished it to you
and your teacher's satisfaction at the speed before that!
yes, every beat...not every other...
>
>It takes me an annoyingly long time to get a strathspey/reel set off.  I've
>been working on this one for about 4 months, and I'm probably 2 more months
>away from putting the finishing touches on it.

It shouldn't take you any more than a week on a two part strathspey to
memorize it and be playing it half speed...(60 bpm) with the right guidance
and knowledge that is I teach my beginners like this
The first band practice is for familiarity...they take it home and memorize
it...next practice we repeat it to death and turn the music over and force
their memory to bring the tune from those far recesses of our subconscious
and it works....9 times out of 10 We often play it on pipes that
nite...without music, again forcing them to recall what we have gone
over....you'd be amazed at how this works
I do exercises with my kids like learning tunes from ear...just to remind
them that the written score is a "guide" and that they have to feel where to
put the cuts and holds....its great, try it sometime! Especially if you are
really "music dependant" as I call it...
>
>But I've got different teachers and a whole new learning methodology this
year,
>and it does seem to be paying off.  Should have been going to these guys
years
>ago.  I'd either be in grade 1 by now, or else not piping at all ; )
>

Nothing...and I mean nothing can replace a good teacher....and just because
they are the best piper around...doesn't qualify them to be a good teacher
either...;-)))

Thanks,
>
>Zu

You are very welcome! Slainte Lori



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From: Bill Carr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) 1905 Lawries
Date: 02 Mar 2000 20:10:28 GMT

I've put a photo of them here:

http://business.fortunecity.com/newhouse/855/show.html

Check out the chanter!


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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 03 Mar 2000 00:10:50 GMT

>Anyway, it seems
>that I have developed the habit of mimicing my instructor's playing to
>keep time rather than acually counting the beat in my head.

6/8 is not as intuitive as 2/4 or 4/4, that's for sure.  Mimicking is a good
way to start.

In fact, it took me a LONG time to learn to march to a 6/8.

You could try a metronome.

But the problem is partly in the way you're expressing the tune, or NOT
expressing it (if you're not holding the dotted notes, you're killing the
expression and making it harder to march to).

And at your point of development, you can't really play the tune fast enough to
sort of compensate for lack of expression, so you're stuck.  It's easier to
play slower...the expression is the hard part.

Good luck,

Zu

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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Boring Piobaireachd
Date: 04 Mar 2000 20:52:53 -0900

JOHN BROADWELL wrote:

>  My father carried on another family tradition, if the
> kid is yarking it's head off, his cure is to give it a shot of whiskey in
> it's milk, worked wonders for me at one year of age, and it still works to
> this day,

Assuming yarking is equivalent to hurling, my father also utilised this
sovereign remedy for the dry heaves when we were very young.  His method was
more direct, though - neat whisky, with a gruff "Drink that!"  The only ill
effect was that it took me a while to develop a taste for Scotch as an adult -
although that problem has been overcome, I'm happy to report.

Cheers,

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From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: More Dis On The Drummers
Date: 05 Mar 2000 13:18:05 GMT

Hmmmmm,
I liked them enough to marry the lead tip in my band....
we make a great team! and he is a very talented "musician"
;-))))
Lori

Chris Hamilton wrote in message ...
>On 26 Feb 2000 04:56:33 GMT, [e-mail] (HATHABODHRAN) wrote:
>
>>Oh the horror of being a piper and seeing your children wanting to play
the
>>drums. ...  I see pipe bands begging for drummers.  Offering a
>>thousand dollars to a drummer who will commit for one year.  Yes, it sucks
to
>>be a drummer.  How disappointing it must be to my father and my pipe major
that
>>I am JUST a drummer.
>
>I agree, Bruce. I don't understand the whole concept of drummer jokes.
>I have great admiration and respect for drummers, and I've seen many
>bands fall apart for want of a drum corps.
>
>Chris
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: More Dis On The Drummers
Date: 05 Mar 2000 13:20:25 GMT

No they call them PipeBands.....
The only place I have ever heard it called a Pipe and Drum Band is
....some street band....who doesn't know any better.....;-)))
Pipers figure they play the real music and that drummers are ONLY the
accompaniment
so they shouldn't have an opinion...
Archaic really!
Lori

Beginnertunes wrote in message
<[e-mail]>...
>>I agree, Bruce. I don't understand the whole concept of drummer jokes.
>
>You know I was going to ask that very queston Chris. While I like a good
joke
>as much as anyone, I've always been puzzled at the piper/drummer
relationship.
>Afterall they call them "Pipe and DRUM bands" don't they? So why do pipers
look
>down on drummers when both are equally important?
>Bill
>What do playing the bagpipes, and throwing a Javelin while blindfolded have
in
>common?
>You don't have to be good at either one to get peoples attention!



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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: More Dis On The Drummers
Date: 05 Mar 2000 13:22:03 GMT

Hmmmm,
sounds like someone I know....
Sled dogs in the front...mush at the back...;-))
Lori
Paul Mc. <[e-mail]> wrote in message
<[e-mail]>...
>Pipers were not accompanied by drummers until the early 1800's when
>some of the military fife and drum units were amalgamated with pipers.
>I don't know who did it or why. As the pipers were Highlanders and
>proud of their roots, they resented the lowlanders & and non-Scots they
>were thrown together with. The fifes soon vanished, the drums remained.
>
>The 'attitude' is a remnant of those early days when rough humour
>prevailed and repect was earned by proving you could stand your ground.
>
>Today in most bands I've known, the drummers give the pipers a hard
>time and the pipers give the drummers a hard time, but there is a great
>deal of repect for each side from the other. It obviously takes both
>sets of talent to make a successful band. Part of the comradery (did I
>spell that right?) of the pipe band is this traditional good spirited
>heckling between the two sides.
>
>In parting, let me add this little bit of info about proper bandsman
>positioning; "MUSICIANS in the FRONT, drummers in the rear"!
>
>Affectionately Yours
>
>Paul Mc.
>(tee! hee!)
>
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From: "Matt Buckley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: PM Angus C. MacCleod / Mea Culpa
Date: 05 Mar 2000 09:20:14 -0500



Paul Gretton <[e-mail]> wrote

> Matt Buckley wrote:

> > OK - I'll try again.  Yesterday I posted a request regarding the music
for
> > the Donald MacCleod tune
> > "PM Angus C. MacCleod".  Not a single response.

> Perhaps we were all just too shocked by your misspelling such a famous
name??  ;-)

> The slow air "Angus C. MacLeod"  (without the "PM") is on page 22 of book
5 of Donald
> MacLeod's collection.

Aaaaak!  My formal apologies.  I guess this kind of thing happens when
one's training is backwards - smallpipes/lowland music to GHB.   Thanks for
the
info.

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From: "Matt Buckley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Pipe/Drum Historical Connection
Date: 05 Mar 2000 09:31:49 -0500

Several days ago, someone mentioned in a post
regarding drumming that drum accompaniement to the
pipes did not appear until the time of Wellington and
thereafter.  Yet a couple of years ago I saw a performance by Montreal's
reenactment company the Old 78th Frasers, who presented an historical
depiction of the role of pipers and drummers in the time of the Seven
Years' War.  The presentation focused on solo pipe and drum, together,
increasing or decreasing the speed of the tune in order to direct
firing/reloading time of the muskets.  Can anyone address the discrepancy?

Also, one of my piping friends, a professional, believes
that the roots of competition-style drumming have more to do with Swiss
Army drumming, imported to pipe bands in the 1920s and 1930s, than any
traditional Scottish drumming to speak of.  Any comments?

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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Comparison of drone reeds
Date: 05 Mar 2000 16:24:40 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Beginnertunes) wrote:
> >When (and if) I get off of Mark Lee's 100 year list,
>
> That's a 1000 years Charles, not 100...
> Scotia Aye!
> Bill

No Bill.  He was only told "come back...one year!".

Pat


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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 05 Mar 2000 19:21:57 GMT

>
>In general, the melody notes in a 2/4 march are quarter notes, eighth
>notes, and sixteenth notes, possibly with dot-cut runs to have a few
>32nd notes alternate with the 16th notes.  By contrast, the melody
>notes in a typical 4/4 march are half notes, quarter notes, and eighth
>notes.  Any 16th note runs (with or without the dotted 16th/32nd note
>pointing) are few and far between;  most 4/4 marches don't have them at
>all.  The point is that the melody "flows" more slowly in a 4/4, since
>the phrases are generally twice as long

But that's just a difference in presentation.

I've seen STB written as a 2/4, and I've seen Earl of Mansfield written as a
4/4.  Yet you play them, and they sound the same as they always did; it's just
a different visual presentation.

4/4s may LOOK easier to play than 2/4's but that's an illusion.  You can try to
recast say High Road to Gairloch as a 4/4 and I bet it'll look easier to the
eye, but it's going to sound the same as it ever did when you play it.

yes, there's a difference in phrase length between 2/4 and 4/4 but I don't want
to get into that for now....



>Contrast this with "Brown Haired Maiden" where there aren't all that
>many quarter notes and no half notes at all, with most of the tune
>being 8th notes or dotted 8th/16th note pairs.

Right.  But if you recast BHM as a 4/4, the  8th notes turn into quarter notes
and everything gets twice as big as it was in 2/4.

>The fact
>that it is one of the simplest 2/4's just shows that even the light
>2/4's as a group are more difficult for the beginner than the light
>4/4 marches.

Again, just a matter of visual presentation.  Write out a typical 2/4 in 4/4
time and it's going to look less forbidding.

In fact, I did this with a different tune.  It was a fife tune that I
transcribed off an LP and set for pipes.  I wasn't sure whether to set it as a
4/4 or a 2/4.  When I set it as a 2/4, it looked as heavy and forbidding as the
average competition march.  When I re-set it as 4/4, the heaviness went away
and it much more resembles Murdo's Wedding in complexity.  Then there's the
tempo issue too...the fifes played it at 90 and that's about where it sounds
good.  As a 2/4 pipe setting it didn't seem comfortable at 50.

Zu
> In fact, if you compare the difficulty of High Road and
>Scotland the Brave, most of the additional difficulty in Scotland the
>Brave is in its embellishments, not its timing.

Right.



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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Comparison of drone reeds
Date: 05 Mar 2000 19:31:04 GMT

>When (and if) I get off of Mark Lee's 100 year list, I would
>like to consider a set of his reeds as well, and it may be
>instructive to rate the Rockets as well as the Duatones and
>SM90s. If any of you have been able to do so.

This won't help much, but I did get a chance to play a set of Rockets and a set
of Duatones last month.  They were in different pipes, so it wasn't a
head-to-head comparison.  I wouldn't call either setup an optimal one, but both
the Rockets and the Duatones seemed to sound about the same.  Both sounded
good.

$100 worth of good?  I didn't think so.

$50 better than my Zudupiper reeds, or competently-set-up and optimized EZs or
Wygents?  Possibly. There is a difference.   I'd say $25 better at least.

I'll stick with my new Zu design until I hear something that I think is $100
better, then I'll buy a set.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe/Drum Historical Connection
Date: 05 Mar 2000 19:53:53 GMT

>Several days ago, someone mentioned in a post
>regarding drumming that drum accompaniement to the
>pipes did not appear until the time of Wellington and
>thereafter.

Actually, more like the Crimean War (1853-54).  This was the first documented
time that massed pipes and drums played together as a pipe and drum band.

>The presentation focused on solo pipe and drum, together,
>increasing or decreasing the speed of the tune in order to direct
>firing/reloading time of the muskets

I can't help you there, except that maybe this was an ad-hoc thing.  One pipe
and one drum doesn't equal a pipe band necessarily...

>that the roots of competition-style drumming have more to do with Swiss
>Army drumming, imported to pipe bands in the 1920s and 1930s

That time frame rings a bell.  I remember hearing something about that, a style
change in drumming in the 1940's/50's from the old military style.  The EUSPBA
Voice did an interview with Andy White (a famous drummer) a couple of issues
ago.  Maybe that's where I read it.  Or was that the pitch of the drums
themselves?

Zu
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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Strathspey Musings
Date: 05 Mar 2000 19:45:47 GMT

>Never attempt tunes unless guided in them first I always say! ;-)))
>saves embarassment later...;-)))

Well, I was getting lessons from a Grade 1 piper and we spent a lot of time
getting the technique correct, or mostly so, and never did a heckuva lot on
musicality or phrasing.  I think we never got that far.

Part of the problem was that I was only getting a lesson a month, and I didn't
know enough to push myself in the meantime.  Now I have teachers who are more
demanding, and it makes a big difference.

>They were from a workshop, just photocopies, but I would be happy to
>share...give me a week and I will mail them to you..(gives me time to dig em
>out, get to Staples to scan em and get back to you)

Cool!  You could snail mail them if that's more convenient....

>I mean everytime you sit down with that tune...your aim is to pick up the
>speed after of course that you have memorized it and accomplished it to you
>and your teacher's satisfaction at the speed before that!
>yes, every beat...not every other..

That's exactly what I'm doing with my march, but I've been playing marches much
longer than strathspeys.  So they come easier.

>It shouldn't take you any more than a week on a two part strathspey to
>memorize it and be playing it half speed...(60 bpm)

I could see that.  Especially if I was gettting a lesson every week or every
other, and 60's dead slow.  I've got to gl back, slow my tune down to the 80's
again and get the technique exactly right, then speed it up and get better
expression.

Where did the winter go?  I looked up yesterday and the first comp of the
season is in 3.5 weeks.  I thought I had plenty of time to work on this
stuff....

>Nothing...and I mean nothing can replace a good teacher....and just because
>they are the best piper around...doesn't qualify them to be a good teacher
>either...;-)))

So true, so true.  Sigh.  But I didn't know that at the time.  Now I do.

Thanks again,

Zu

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From: "Stewart Nimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Piob Mhor software - where is the web site
Date: 05 Mar 2000 21:46:06 GMT

Steve,

I bought both Piob Mhor and Bagpipe Music Writer a few years ago. Since
upgrading to BMW Gold I never use Piob Mhor, so I'm willing to sell my Piob
Mhor program cheap: $50 US, $75 Cdn, ú35 UK  -- that's less than half price,
and I'll throw in all the Piob Mhor tune files I have which is something
over 2300 tunes. So if any of your friends are interested......... or anyone
else for that matter..... First come, first served........

SlaintΘ

Stewart Nimmo,
Maitland, ON, Canada.

See my website, Canadian Bagpipe Links,
at http://web.ripnet.com/~nimmos/

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Steve White <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:89qktv$1f1v$[e-mail]...
> Hi all,
>
> My old link to the Piob Mhor website seems to be out of date - anyone know
> where it resides now. I have some piper friends who would like to obtain
the
> software / tunes etc.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve White
>
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From: Richard Mao <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Must have piobaireachd books?
Date: 05 Mar 2000 18:15:29 -0500


www.scotpress.com

JOHN BROADWELL wrote:

> Thanks Paul, do you have an email address for Unicorn, tried a web search
> but got a mass of Unicorn stuff, as in horse-like Unicorns :-)
>
> Slainte
>
> John B
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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Water Trap
Date: 05 Mar 2000 19:53:37 -0500

On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 00:48:03 GMT, "Ryan" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>HI,
>    I need a water trap for my pipes and I don't want to have to get the one
>that comes with the plastic stock, but I also don't want to have to get the
>one that to change it you have to untie your stock.  I was reading that
>there was one that Attaches to your blowpipe, that would be my favorite
>choice if it exists.  Anyway any info on the subject would be most
>appreciated.

Naill makes a water-trap that can be fitted down inside an existing
stock.  Unfortunately the bore is narrow and restrictive.  Stay awa'
...

If you want one that works well, you're going to have to do SOMETHING
to your stock.

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Comparison of drone reeds
Date: 06 Mar 2000 01:01:12 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Beginnertunes) wrote:

> Yes Pat, but Mark made a "special list" and added another zero on the
"100 year
> list" just for Charles.

Royce may be right.  Math could be evil.

Pat


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From: "Matthew Wood" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Duty and p&p on pipes from Scotland
Date: 06 Mar 2000 02:51:29 GMT

I would suggest buying from a dealer.  The reason we are around is to sell
pipes.  The pipe makers make the pipes!

I would bet the other dealers on the group would agree with this statement.


--
Matt Wood
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Rob Larson <[e-mail]> wrote in article
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>  I'm looking at buying a bagpipe from a Scottish maker/distributor. To
> those who have done so in the past, how much was the shipping and duty?
> How long did they take? I realize it may be just as expensive to do so
> this way but I know from acquaintances that it is a good way to ensure
> you are getting the best pipe (if you deal with the right people of
> course). Thanks for your input.
> Cheerios!
>
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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Comparison of drone reeds
Date: 06 Mar 2000 08:20:55 -0400


John Mitchell wrote in message <38c33a9a_1@127.0.0.1>...
>This brings up the question, does anything that flaps in the wind sound
>Good?
>
>So far, all that's needed is a reed body, and a tongue made of any
synthetic
>material!
>
>The dynamics can be dictated by the either the thickness, length or width
>of the tongue and also the dimensions of the reed body.
>
>The reed body can be a factor too. The over all length, dia. and sound hole
>opening
>are all a part of the overall end result too!
>
>Has anyone else experimented with these parameters yet?


For all you wizard reed experimentors, We..........., the pure unwashed
rabble of street hackers and Grade 3 or lower competitors,  are hoping that
you guys will develop reeds that................

1) take almost no air......
2) never double tone
3) never have to be fiddled with
4) do not change frequency when one has to cut off the chanter....(we junior
street hackers really need this one)
5) performance is totally unaffected by moisture, or lack of it
6) can handle a very wide range of air pressure, ie., cannot be overblown
7) strike in quietly and efficiently every time no matter how one
mis-manages one's bag.
8) one model of reed works in all makes of pipes and are true PLUG N' PLAY

We, the thousands whose names NEVER appear on prize lists, will pay BIG
BUCKS for such reeds.......so far we have had many promises, but limited
satisfaction..................just remember.......for every "listed " piper
there are thousands of us out here very ready to be parted from our
cash.........but don't lie to us any more !

David
EZ and Wygent user



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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Clamp vs Zipper
Date: 06 Mar 2000 07:55:44 -0500

Rephrasing my awful English:  As to a case, The British Shop is carrying a
pipe case specially designed with the Ross bag in mind.  Not all that
expensive, either, though I'm told that in the Westchester area of NY there
is a vendor (sic)  who is said to be charging double
what British Shop charges.   I'm only repeating what was said to me.
>
>Bill Burt

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From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Comparison of drone reeds
Date: 06 Mar 2000 07:56:08 -0500


John Mitchell <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:38c34608$1_5@127.0.0.1...
> No, a good friend of ours told me that
> Women are the root of all evil!

And where might you be staying this coming weekend, John?!!?!?!? Be VERY
afraid as *I* know what goes into your food!!!!!!! :) :) :) Oh . . .that
sounded evil, didn't it?? Sorry :)
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Comparison of drone reeds
Date: 06 Mar 2000 15:38:38 GMT

In article <38c33a9a_1@127.0.0.1>,
  "John Mitchell" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>
> This brings up the question, does anything that flaps in the wind
sound
> Good?

Quite a subjective question.  "Good" meaning "solo good" or "circle
good?"  Many pipers have both set-ups.  For example, solo chanter vs
band chanter, solo drones vs band drones, solo chanter reed vs band
chanter reed, etc...

Depending upon the piper's experience with a particular reed and his
pipes, he may well be able to make "anything that flaps in the wind"
sound just fine.

You might ask, "At what price is the piper's judgement influenced
enough to accept certain limitations?"  We can certainly buy $15 reeds
wich sound good (cane) or spend $129 for synthetic reeds which sound
good.  At a mere $15, one might assume all pipers should surely put up
with the limitations of cane.  However, sales figures of synthetic
reeds do not support this.

We, sometimes, make sweeping statements about products.  We, sometimes
say things like, "Hey, these reeds are dead-ringers for cane and are
rock-steady, and don't shut off with moisture, etc..."  Maybe we should
precede that statement with, "In my pipes..."  There's no one make of
reed which will satisfy every piper and his pipes.

> The dynamics can be dictated by the either the thickness, length or
width
> of the tongue and also the dimensions of the reed body.

Tip of the ice-berg.

> The reed body can be a factor too. The over all length, dia. and
sound hole
> opening
> are all a part of the overall end result too!

Any material and any dimension you care to name has an effect.  Some
more than others.

Mark


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From: Doug Campbell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 06 Mar 2000 10:22:34 -0500



[e-mail] wrote:

> In any event you're likely to get a feeling of "tripping" rather than
> "marching".
>

...picture yourself on the boards by a river in tangerine Portree on
marmalade Skye...

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From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: K Pettigrew
Date: 06 Mar 2000 11:14:29 -0500

Islay Piper <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> What's all this about K Pettigrew getting rid of his Canadian and US
dealers??
> Is this true? Any details would be appreciated.

Hey, Mark! Just spoke to Sandy Keith about this and he said no, there is no
truth in this. As a matter of fact, at this moment, I am building his
Pettigrew web page! Don't go there yet .. . it will take me some time. Maybe
by tomorrow!
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From: Doug Campbell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 06 Mar 2000 12:57:19 -0500

I don't think my teacher is the point here, since this was something I
heard on my own.
I"m just a student - I'm not presuming to say it's wrong, I'm just saying
it's there.  Listen to it and then tell me you don't hear a very different
style of pulsing.  My question was if anybody else here detects a '6/8ish'
(DUMpety DUMpety) expression in the <particular recordings> of the 2/4
marches I mentioned.  If you don't  have the recordings then it's kind of
pointless to discuss it in theory.  The best I can do is say 'listen to
this'  and if you were here I would.

Doug C.

[e-mail] wrote:

> >[e-mail] wrote:

> > For an example,

> > listen to Willie McCallum's rendition of Capt. Campbell of Drumavoisk
> on
> > the Glenfiddich Ceol Beag CD, or The Crags of Stirling on his Pipers
> of
> > Distinction CD.  Then listen to Gordon Walker's rendition of Crags of
> > Stirling on his CD and compare the pulsing.
> >
> > Doug C.
>
> Not me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Who taught you anyway ???
>
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From: "Steve White" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Piob Mhor software - where is the web site
Date: 06 Mar 2000 18:39:42 -0000

Hi Stewart,
I'll pass on your offer.
Cheers,
Steve White


Stewart Nimmo wrote in message ...
>Steve,
>
>I bought both Piob Mhor and Bagpipe Music Writer a few years ago. Since
>upgrading to BMW Gold I never use Piob Mhor, so I'm willing to sell my Piob
>Mhor program cheap: $50 US, $75 Cdn, ú35 UK  -- that's less than half
price,
>and I'll throw in all the Piob Mhor tune files I have which is something
>over 2300 tunes. So if any of your friends are interested......... or
anyone
>else for that matter..... First come, first served........
>
>SlaintΘ
>
>Stewart Nimmo,
>Maitland, ON, Canada.
>
>See my website, Canadian Bagpipe Links,
>at http://web.ripnet.com/~nimmos/
>
>               /
>           O///
>          <|o>
>          /_\
>          | \
>
>Steve White <[e-mail]> wrote in message
>news:89qktv$1f1v$[e-mail]...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My old link to the Piob Mhor website seems to be out of date - anyone
know
>> where it resides now. I have some piper friends who would like to obtain
>the
>> software / tunes etc.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve White
>>
>>
>
>



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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Water Trap
Date: 06 Mar 2000 19:15:28 GMT

In article <38c3356d$1_3@127.0.0.1>,
  "John Mitchell" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> That goes for the "Little Mac" valve tooooooooooooo!

John.  Do you have the adjustable blowpipe on your set of Gibsons?  The
one that Jerry generally includes with his pipes.

Pat


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From: "Steve White" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Uk competitions!!
Date: 06 Mar 2000 22:49:42 -0000

Thanks John.


JOHN BROADWELL wrote in message <0Uhw4.614$[e-mail]>...
>Steve, the competition was held at the Gilesgate school in Bradford
>Crescent, Durham.
>It is divided up as follows : -
>
>Solo's 1st stage 22nd January 2000
>    Novice march
>    Intermediate march
>    Veterans march
>    Piobaireachd (for the first time)
>    MSR
>
>Solo's 2nd stage 12th February 2000
>    Practice chanter
>    Juvenile march
>    Open march
>    Previous winners march
>    Medley
>
>Trio's 18th March 2000
>    grade's 4,3,2,1
>
>Mini bands 8th April 2000
>    Grade's 4,3,2,1
>    Solo drumming
>
>If you require further information about competitions in the NE branch of
>the RSPBA then you would be best contacting Kevin Reilly
>email : -  [e-mail]
>
>The Richmond (N.Yorks.) contest, usually on the Spring bank holiday will
not
>be held this year.
>That's all I know about in this area, apart from Ashbourne usually in mid
>July and Chatsworth in early September, probably 2-3 Sept. sorry I do not
>have firm dates as yet!!
>
>Hope this helps
>
>Slainte
>
>John B
>
>"Steve White" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
>news:89qkr7$1evv$[e-mail]...
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I am indeed even more homesick now. Can you give me any leads on when /
>> where the competition is held - in fact any / all competitions in the
>area.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Steve White
>>
>>
>> JOHN BROADWELL wrote in message ...
>> >Steve, you should have been at the Durham competition recently,
listening
>> to
>> >all those cool grade two players from Houghton Le Spring and Teeside
>doing
>> >here stuff!! Does that make you even more homesick!! :-) LOL!!
>> >
>> >Watch out for a young lad called Scott Kidger he won the open march,
he's
>> >only 16 and beat 10 other players (including me) He's in the Houghton 95
>> >band and is destined, well................ just destined!!!
>> >
>> >Slainte
>> >
>> >John B
>> >
>> >"Steve White" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
>> >news:89juaj$240g$[e-mail]...
>> >> Give owa lads - you're makin' es homesick.
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Steve White
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Chris Eyre wrote in message <89ho12$8kr$[e-mail]>...
>> >> >Some years ago, there used to be a lovely little Games held in
>Morpeth,
>> >> >about 15 miles east of Newcastle, that held a piobaireachd
>competition.
>> I
>> >> >don't know if it is still going. It's the only Games I every knew
that
>> >also
>> >> >held a Northumbrian Smallpipe competition as well.
>> >> >
>> >> >BTW, there is a village nearby called "Once Brewed" and in the centre
>of
>> >it
>> >> >is a pub called "Twice Brewed".
>> >> >
>> >> >Chris Eyre
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipeband Photos
Date: 06 Mar 2000 18:05:31 -0500

On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:12:25 -0800, "Anthony Lyle" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>Hey, I am looking for pipeband photos to compile into my next pipeband
>screensaver. Volume 1 apparently was a great success if the number of
>downloads is any indication. I am looking for good full band posed photos.
>If any band would like their own screensaver, just contact me for details.
>For those who haven't seen vol. 1, go to our web site and download it.
>
>Highlander Web Graphics
>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/5790


Try http://toneczar.freeservers.com/gallery.html

Chris

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From: "Matthew Wood" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Matching odds and ends
Date: 07 Mar 2000 00:56:50 GMT

OK, OK, my turn.

As we all have experienced...CARVING.

As an engineer I agree that the Kron capabilities are quite good.
But...Will this accurate reproduction eliminate the need for chanter
carving???...Yes??? NO???  Until we can clone humans and clone the reeds
then we will still need to carve (or tape) each chanter...Even said that
the "classic" MarkII needed some carving.

Correct??? Chris? John? Royce? anyone from the Grade 1 & 2 bands.

Matt

madman <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> John Mitchell wrote:
> > OK mad guy!
> >
> > You've painted me into a corner here!
> >
> > There is no comparison to a CNC machined part from any other form of
> > manufacturing. CNC is the most accurate process of reproducing clones!
> >
> > A CNC machine is capable of producing a part to within a tolernace of 1
> > micon.
> > That's .000001"
>
> Actually,John,that number you just thru out would be the "finish" of
> said part in question,not the actual tolerance or reproducability.
> The tolerance is .0001 (one-ten-thousandth of an inch),which is
> absolutely phenomenal for a musical instrument.
> To get an idea what a .0001 is...you'd have to slice a piece of paper,
> thickness-wise into about 30 slices!
> Couple that tolerance with a material that doesn't change(phenolic
> resin),
> and you don't have matched-chanters,....you have identical chanters.
> I can get a 1 micron finish,very easily,because we use PCD(diamond)
> tooling.
>

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From: "Matthew Wood" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross Cannister Bag
Date: 07 Mar 2000 01:00:21 GMT

Same deal as with a hide bag with a hole.  Your done.

I never have had a problem with the zipper.  It looks impossible to screw
up (no pun intended for the clamp users).


--
Matt Wood
McCoill Associates, Pipe Band Supply


RossD8th <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> As they are wont to do, what happens if a zipper malfunctions? As in
won't
> close properly. Kind of puts a damper  on the day's piping.
> Ross
>

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Provo SFU Spectacular
Date: 07 Mar 2000 01:18:30 GMT

I'm flying blindly out to SLC/Provo in a few weeks hoping there really
is going to be a place to stay, and a way to get there, and an actual
festival and neat stuff to see. Whoever is organizing this little deal
is pretty lax in the confirmation department--to make a long story
short. The hotel a few weeks ago had no idea who to contact for
reservations for example, and the number they gave us...well, the
story is getting long again.

For those of you there, Bruce maybe, is there going to be a djembe
handy and a ceilidh to play it at, or is this ceilidh some
Scottish-dressup thing for the old duffers. Should I drag my big
whistle out there past the metal detectors or what? Or in short,
where's the *real* party, and where can I use my Minidisk to tape SFU
in setup.

Royce

(In the words of the Great AH Senyk: I don't know what it is about
Utah. Even places set up to handle pipe bands aren't set up to handle
pipe bands.)

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SM 90 Shepherd Drone Reeds
Date: 07 Mar 2000 01:11:05 GMT

On Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:52:19 -0500, "John Mitchell"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Lets just finish it with, your idea of tone is completely different from
>my idea of tone. You bring your band to Alma and we'll see who's
>tone the Judges prefer! You are in a GR4 band aren't you, or is it 5?

Right now I'm in more bands than I can deal with. But don't worry.
I'll be at Alma, and I won't be playing against you.

Royce

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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Water Trap
Date: 06 Mar 2000 19:00:34 -0700

Where do you get your spring??

Don

TLER4 wrote:

> >4. about six inches of spring that will fit inside the tube.
>
> >Insert the springs in
> >the tube, to prevent it from kinking and stopping the air.
>
> Nice touch  !!!!!     works well !!!!!
>
> bk

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Comparison of drone reeds
Date: 07 Mar 2000 01:53:33 GMT

>Zu, put me on your waiting List!
>
>

Ach, I just do this as a hobby, a cottage industry if you will.  You can go
directly to the top of my list, John!

But you probably wouldn't like them.  They're solo reeds, and efficient, and
have a tight sound.  Plus they affect the center of gravity of the pipes.  I
think they're $25 US better than Wygents or EZs.

That's what I charge, anyhow.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Comparison of drone reeds
Date: 07 Mar 2000 02:15:46 GMT

>We can certainly buy $15 reeds
>wich sound good (cane) or spend $129 for synthetic reeds which sound
>good.

Or about $55 for synthetic reeds that sound good.

Or $15, $129, or $55 for reeds of whatever flavor that sound bad if we don't
know how to work with them and set them up.


>Tip of the ice-berg.
>

Iceberg!  Right ahead!

>Any material and any dimension you care to name has an effect.  Some
>more than others.

To say nothing of the configuration of the end of the reed, which isn't
intuitive.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Comparison of drone reeds
Date: 07 Mar 2000 02:17:43 GMT

>Has anyone else experimented with these parameters yet?
>

C'mon, fess up.  Inquiring minds want to know.

I like to tinker, but I'm in the vast minority.

Zu

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Drops of Brandy
Date: 06 Mar 2000 21:55:52 -0500


Otherwise known as a slip jig, no?!

Paul Gretton <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> smitty wrote:
> >
> > What is the timing on this tune? it isn't a 2/4 is it? sounds like a
> > reel to me.
>
> It's a 9/8 jig. Three beats in a bar.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul Gretton
>
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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Water Trap
Date: 07 Mar 2000 03:34:22 GMT

On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 18:30:02 -0800, ccc31807
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Tru-Valu hardware store, same as all the other materials.
>
>In article <[e-mail]>, sdon
><[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Where do you get your spring??

The spring whistles when you blow through it. Don't use a spring.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (HILNDPIPER)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Metro Cup: Huh???
Date: 07 Mar 2000 03:57:47 GMT

Zudupiper wrote:
>Bell was using a borrowed chanter and reed.

To set things straight:
Duncan used his own reed.  It was my chanter that he borrowed.  He didn't like
the reed I gave him because it was too weak for his tastes.  Don't blame the
chanter for being poorly set up.  It is a prize winning chanter (at the Open
level).

cheers,
     noah

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From: [e-mail] (DicksonDL)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North Coast
Date: 07 Mar 2000 04:11:55 GMT

<< >   They do sound great in concert...Smitty

Yep, thanks to Gibson blackwood chanters and drones,
which every single person in the band plays. :)
 >>

Nearly, Shawn. We haven't been able to get the drummers to switch to Gibson
chanters and drones yet.

Duane

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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Matching odds and ends
Date: 07 Mar 2000 09:16:40 -0500

On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 00:56:50 GMT, "Matthew Wood"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>OK, OK, my turn.
>
>As we all have experienced...CARVING.
>
>As an engineer I agree that the Kron capabilities are quite good.
>But...Will this accurate reproduction eliminate the need for chanter
>carving???...Yes??? NO???  Until we can clone humans and clone the reeds
>then we will still need to carve (or tape) each chanter...Even said that
>the "classic" MarkII needed some carving.
>
>Correct??? Chris? John? Royce? anyone from the Grade 1 & 2 bands.

My Shepherd Mk II 2 chanters are carved rather shamelessly on the Low
A, B, C, E, and even the F on one.  Didn't really happen until I went
to Scotland - that is, when we went over their and the pitch dropped
the bottom hands got carved to brighten them up and so it goes.

The Shepherd II is a great chanter - ubiquitous and sonorous.

Every chanter will need some adjustment with this or that reed or
blower or method of setting it up.

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Hamilton
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From: aberdeen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Music Books on Web Site
Date: 07 Mar 2000 15:49:06 GMT

 So as to make selections of music books easier for our customers, I've
started the time consuming task of listing the Tables of Contents for
the music books we carry.  If you go to the "more information" page for
the music books, you will be able to see what tunes are included in the
book.  Since I'm not the world's quickest at typing, it will take some
time before I have all the tunes listed, but the work has begun and will
continue until completed.  Last night I got 4 books uploaded - the two
books of Seumas MacNeill, Neil Dickie's book and the Edcath Collection
2.

I'm also proud to announce that, thanks to you, we've been awarded Bob
Dunsire's "Web Site of the Week" Award and have the award shown on our
home page.

Hope the music work helps you.

All the best,
Jim

--
Jim Hudgins
Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 07 Mar 2000 17:03:29 GMT

In article <38c1e277_4@127.0.0.1>,
  "John Mitchell" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > In general, the melody notes in a 2/4 march are quarter notes,
> > eighth notes, and sixteenth notes, possibly with dot-cut runs to
> > have a few 32nd notes alternate with the 16th notes.  By contrast,
> > the melody notes in a typical 4/4 march are half notes, quarter
> > notes, and eighth  notes.  Any 16th note runs...................
>
> You know, I pity any beginner who has to depend on this NG
> for vital information about the music itself.
>
> Trying to explain music with words is like showing a blindman
> what colours are. Get yourself a CD and listen to 6/8's and 2/4's
> to get the feel and the pulse of the music. Then simply apply that
> pulse to the notes you see on paper.
>
> Listen to a hundred of them if you have too, but we could sit here
> all day and talk about it and get nothing done!

Unfortunately most of what I was talking about really can't be applied
by beginners - it was addressed more towards their teachers.  There
really isn't a good substitute for working with someone else;  in the
end, words will always fail to describe music (any music) adequately.

Your suggestion of listening to good CDs of pipe music is a good one,
but there is a danger there as well:  beginners must be careful not
to try to imitate what they hear on the CD _at the tempo that they
hear it played_.  If you're starting out you almost certainly won't be
able to match the tempos on any tunes other than some of the slow airs;
and any attempt to do so will just introduce a lot of sloppy playing in
an effort to "keep up".

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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 07 Mar 2000 17:22:45 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:
> >
> >In general, the melody notes in a 2/4 march are quarter notes, eighth
> >notes, and sixteenth notes, possibly with dot-cut runs to have a few
> >32nd notes alternate with the 16th notes.  By contrast, the melody
> >notes in a typical 4/4 march are half notes, quarter notes, and
> >eighth notes.  Any 16th note runs (with or without the dotted
> >16th/32nd note pointing) are few and far between;  most 4/4 marches
> >don't have them at all.  The point is that the melody "flows" more
> >slowly in a 4/4, since the phrases are generally twice as long
>
> But that's just a difference in presentation.

Exactly.  The point is that most beginners who are just starting to
read musical notation have less trouble counting 4 notes as 4 quarter
notes (each getting one beat) than they do counting those same 4 notes
and _dividing_ each beat.  Simple counting is easier than division :-).
Once you're used to hearing the patterns, it is usually easier to play
the 2/4s since you can "feel" where the upbeat should be.

In addition, the fewer different lengths of notes, the better, though
this is a secondary effect if you don't have to subdivide (many) beats.

> I've seen STB written as a 2/4, and I've seen Earl of Mansfield
> written as a 4/4.  Yet you play them, and they sound the same as they
> always did; it's just  a different visual presentation.

Possibly.  If you take a 2/4 like Earl of Mansfield and recast it so
that all of the 16th notes turn into 8th notes, you're getting an
effect much like what I'm looking for, though I think the tune is
rather complex on other grounds (too many different note lengths).  If
you take a tune like Brown Haired Maiden and just eliminate half of
the bar lines, this is not at all what I mean.

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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 07 Mar 2000 17:41:27 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Lura) wrote:
> There seems to be a real mindset among pipers  regarding beating time.
> Everybody seems to have the attitude that if you can't tap your foot
> correctly to the music, you can't play correctly.   Basically, I
> disagree.   I think that this foottaping and mathematical dissection
> of notes/bars/measures is unnecessary and irrelevant.   I play the
> music by what the other guy termed "immitation", and I think that
> this method is just as legitimate as the beat-tapping method, and
> works just as well.  If the end-product sounds the same, what does it
> matter if one taps one's foot or "immitates?"  I can't believe that
> every single piper in the world plays by counting beats/tapping.
> There have GOT to be pipers out there that dont engage in this foot
> tapping/beat counting stuff. Right?   Are there any of you out there?

In the final analysis, it really isn't necessary for a musician to tap
his or her foot to keep time.  The ultimate point is whether the music
has the proper "pulse" which will vary according to the type of music.

Having said that, march music is written so that one can march to it,
and dance music is written so that one can dance to it.  These both
imply a strong, rhythmic pulse, and if you can't supply that then you
can't play the music properly.  (The _listener_ should be able to tap
his or her foot to the music, but the _player_ may or may not bother).

How you generate that pulse is up to you.  Tapping one's foot is common
because it works for many people - provides a useful reference point,
if you can get used to doing it consistently.

Unfortunately in my experience most people who think they can generate
a good pulse without some kind of work with tapping their feet and/or
playing a lot with a metronome, really can't do so nearly as well as
they think they can.  There are of course the lucky few who seem to
have a flawless and innate sense of rhythm, but they appear to be the
exception rather than the rule.

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From: "Leslie Thomson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Chevrons - quick question
Date: 07 Mar 2000 18:18:16 +0100

Depends

"Keith E. Albee" <[e-mail]> escribi≤ en el mensaje
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> Forgive my ignorance - quick question.......Chevrons worn on the forearm -
> point up or down??
>
>
> Slainte!
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Dunsire)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scotch
Date: 07 Mar 2000 17:46:36 GMT

<<I know this is not really related specifically to bagpipes, but I was
 wondering
 if any of you could suggest a kind of in-expensive good brand of single malt
 scotch?>>

Oohhhh...one of my other favourite subjects.. single malts..   I have been
trying to collect them for many years now, but my collection is constantly
'shrinking'.. hummmm.. some sort of conspiracy ...

And just now I went to see how many different single malts I have in the
cupboard, and.. well, 17 (youch!).. I guess I'm falling behind in my consuming
hobby. (ha)

Sorry, strange mood..

An answer..
Personal taste will dictate preferences, so I'll name a few of my favourites

(Inexpensive.. I  don't know what that would be to you, most single malts cost
more than most blends)..

I like lots of flavour..smokey, peaty, lots of aftertaste, (oops, I'm getting
thirsty) - related to that:

1) Lagavulin
2) Oban
2) Talisker
2) Macallan

There are, in my experience, very few single Malts that are other than good, so
it really will depend upon what you like in flavours / styles.  Try any of the
four I've listed if you think you'll like something with lots of 'taste'.

Cheers,
Bob

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From: "Ewan A. Macpherson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Creating a Practice Chanter
Date: 07 Mar 2000 14:07:21 -0500

Ed f& Donna McClelland wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of  where I could find a diagram with
>  dimensions, I have a lathe, drill press, etc

There are some set of dimensions at:
http://members.aol.com/GerRaith/index.htm

Or you could just borrow one and measure it, I suppose.

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From: "Leslie Thomson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Chevrons - quick question
Date: 07 Mar 2000 21:45:01 +0100


"Leslie Thomson" <[e-mail]> escribi≤ en el mensaje
news:[e-mail]...
> Depends
>
If my memory serves me well, the chevron "aims" to the elbow, so usually the
PM (show off) will also have his PM's golden thread pipes so no room in the
upper arm so it gos in the forearm pointing up. The rest of the mortals wear
the chevrons in the Arm so aim doon.

Cheers,
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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scotch
Date: 07 Mar 2000 16:35:38 -0400

I tried to send privately, but cant get rid of the NOSPAM........so here
goes........flak jacket installed................

I stopped collecting, and started drinking when I couldn't get any more in
my liquer cabinet.......my son-in-law would drink them at my wake and
wouldn't really appreciate them...so to hell with him...........

After driving all day....wiped......I checked in to a hotel/motel on the
shores of Loch Ness.....crawled to the bar and asked the bartenders for
their recommendation on a fine malt that I would enjoy without having to
work at it, price was not mentioned.......the two bartenders conferred and
quickly  agreed on Macallan (there was nothing on the back shelves of the
bar but single malts).................I agreed also...............with Oban
as a second choice................

BUT  the cheapest single malt I have found, and surprisingly palatable,
priced with decent blends, is Singleton.............

David

Bob Dunsire wrote in message
<[e-mail]>...
><<I know this is not really related specifically to bagpipes, but I was
> wondering
> if any of you could suggest a kind of in-expensive good brand of single
malt
> scotch?>>
>
>Oohhhh...one of my other favourite subjects.. single malts..   I have been
>trying to collect them for many years now, but my collection is constantly
>'shrinking'.. hummmm.. some sort of conspiracy ...
>
>And just now I went to see how many different single malts I have in the
>cupboard, and.. well, 17 (youch!).. I guess I'm falling behind in my
consuming
>hobby. (ha)
>
>Sorry, strange mood..
>
>An answer..
>Personal taste will dictate preferences, so I'll name a few of my
favourites
>
>(Inexpensive.. I  don't know what that would be to you, most single malts
cost
>more than most blends)..
>
>I like lots of flavour..smokey, peaty, lots of aftertaste, (oops, I'm
getting
>thirsty) - related to that:
>
>1) Lagavulin
>2) Oban
>2) Talisker
>2) Macallan
>
>There are, in my experience, very few single Malts that are other than
good, so
>it really will depend upon what you like in flavours / styles.  Try any of
the
>four I've listed if you think you'll like something with lots of 'taste'.
>
>Cheers,
>Bob



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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Black Pipe Cords and Pipe Bags
Date: 07 Mar 2000 16:37:11 -0400

any piping supplier......................david

George Shears wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>Can anyone recommend a supplier of Black Pipe Cords and a Black Corduroy
>Pipe Bag.
>
>Thanks,
>
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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Cleaning Real Ivory
Date: 07 Mar 2000 16:40:33 -0400

the question on cleaning imitation ivory sparks me to ask this........I
noticed Bill's nicely cleaned ivory on his restoration
pictures....................I wouldn't want to change the beautifully
developed colour of the ivory, but I would like to clean the mounts.....I
have used soap and a tooth brush........any other recommends?

David



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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music.
Date: 07 Mar 2000 16:43:39 -0400


james lynch wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>A fresh and wholesome statement.  Enjoyed reading it.  Jim.
>
>Robert wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>         Wow!  I didn't expect to generate so much discussion.  Thanks
>> for all the input though.  ...etc......etc.....

Just finished practicing with band member of 20 plus years
experience......had discussion on some timings in a band tune............she
listen to our drum section  in her head  !

and I have been trying for so long to ignore these guys  !

David



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From: Don Robertson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Duty and p&p on pipes from Scotland
Date: 07 Mar 2000 16:28:32 -0800


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   First thing, there are no duty fees (US) for bagpipes. If someone has
paid them, they should request their money back from US Customs. Shipping,
that just depends on how their sent, packaging weight etc.
   Next thing, I would disagree with your ideas on how a dealer feels about
the pipes he sells versus a maker. There are makers (yes even here is the
US) who give lousy service. No follow up on their product and shuffle along
with repairs. Yes, there are dealers who treat people like that too.
However, if someone really looks around and asks about dealers, you can
find some that give damn good service and will be there for you if you have
questions or problems ,and, care about  the quality of the product they
sell. No I'm not a dealer. Yes I do have my favorites that I like to deal
with.
Cheers
Don


Rob Larson wrote:

>  You have a point but the pipe maker has much more invested in the
> reputation of the quality of the product than a dealer does. If I buy a
> Joe Smith bagpipe from Joe Smith and it is not up to snuff then I can
> say "Hey, Joe, get me something better" and Joe's going to make sure
> I'm pleased so I don't go around saying "Don't buy Joe Smith's pipes."
> If I bought a Joe Smith bagpipe from Tartan Tom's Bagpipe Mart and it's
> not up to snuff Tom's going to see what else he has in stock and if
> none of those are sufficient all Tom can say is "Sorry, I don't
> turn 'em, I just sell 'em." Even if Tom did say "Let me talk to Joe and
> see what he can do for you" I would have to wait for Tom to get a hold
> of Joe, for Joe send the bagpipe to Tom, and for Tom to send it to me.
> Why not eliminate the middle man?
>  However, if Tartan Tom is a world-class piper with several Gold
> Medals, Silver Clasps, and World Championships to his credit then I
> would expect Tom to test all of Joe Smith's bagpipes he gets in and
> make sure they are all up to snuff since he has the experience and
> knowledge. I would even go as far to say that I would buy from Tom over
> Joe in that scenario because I know Tom is an excellent player but know
> nothing of Joe's ability. But if I don't know Tartan Tom from a
> Shriner, then I'll deal directly with Joe Smith. Not to say you are a
> poor player but how am I know to whether or not you are or even if you
> play pipes at all?
>  On the other side of the dice If Louie Butterfield is a world-class
> player and makes bagpipes for Joe Smith, then I'm definately going to
> buy from Louie because he has his reputation as a player and as a pipe
> maker on the line. Sorry if that was a bit verbose.
> Cheerios!
>
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   First thing, there are no duty fees (US) for bagpipes. If
someone has paid them, they should request their money back from US Customs.
Shipping, that just depends on how their sent, packaging weight etc.
<br>   Next thing, I would disagree with your ideas on how a
dealer feels about the pipes he sells versus a maker. There are makers
(yes even here is the US) who give lousy service. No follow up on their
product and shuffle along with repairs. Yes, there are dealers who treat
people like that too. However, if someone really looks around and asks
about dealers, you can find some that give <u>damn</u> good service and
will be there for you if you have questions or problems ,and, care about
the quality of the product they sell. No I'm not a dealer. Yes I do have
my favorites that I like to deal with.
<br>Cheers
<br>Don
<br>
<p>Rob Larson wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> You have a point but the pipe maker has much
more invested in the
<br>reputation of the quality of the product than a dealer does. If I buy
a
<br>Joe Smith bagpipe from Joe Smith and it is not up to snuff then I can
<br>say "Hey, Joe, get me something better" and Joe's going to make sure
<br>I'm pleased so I don't go around saying "Don't buy Joe Smith's pipes."
<br>If I bought a Joe Smith bagpipe from Tartan Tom's Bagpipe Mart and
it's
<br>not up to snuff Tom's going to see what else he has in stock and if
<br>none of those are sufficient all Tom can say is "Sorry, I don't
<br>turn 'em, I just sell 'em." Even if Tom did say "Let me talk to Joe
and
<br>see what he can do for you" I would have to wait for Tom to get a hold
<br>of Joe, for Joe send the bagpipe to Tom, and for Tom to send it to
me.
<br>Why not eliminate the middle man?
<br> However, if Tartan Tom is a world-class piper with several Gold
<br>Medals, Silver Clasps, and World Championships to his credit then I
<br>would expect Tom to test all of Joe Smith's bagpipes he gets in and
<br>make sure they are all up to snuff since he has the experience and
<br>knowledge. I would even go as far to say that I would buy from Tom
over
<br>Joe in that scenario because I know Tom is an excellent player but
know
<br>nothing of Joe's ability. But if I don't know Tartan Tom from a
<br>Shriner, then I'll deal directly with Joe Smith. Not to say you are
a
<br>poor player but how am I know to whether or not you are or even if
you
<br>play pipes at all?
<br> On the other side of the dice If Louie Butterfield is a world-class
<br>player and makes bagpipes for Joe Smith, then I'm definately going
to
<br>buy from Louie because he has his reputation as a player and as a pipe
<br>maker on the line. Sorry if that was a bit verbose.
<br>Cheerios!
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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Metro Cup: Huh???
Date: 08 Mar 2000 00:44:43 GMT

> It is a prize winning chanter (at the Open
>level).

Well darnit, he should have told the judges that in the first place.

; )

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Old Novice Needs Advice
Date: 08 Mar 2000 00:40:57 GMT

>My parlor pipes do not pose too much of a
>problem for me, but I would need to have a most forgiving set of GHPs.

It's possible to set up a GHB so that it takes very very very little air,
barely more than a practice chanter.  The sound is a little quieter than the
average GHB, but it's still much louder than a parlor pipe.

You do have to know what you're doing when you set up a pipe like that, but it
can be done.

Good luck,

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 08 Mar 2000 01:11:56 GMT

>If
>you take a tune like Brown Haired Maiden and just eliminate half of
>the bar lines, this is not at all what I mean.

Right.  You have to change the values of all the notes.  It's not as simple as
eliminating bar lines.

But you can add bar lines to turn a 12/8 into a 6/8 with no other changes,
right?

Zu

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Strathspey Musings
Date: 07 Mar 2000 20:49:37 -0500

I'm using Dorrator Bridge as my primary strathspey and like the tune very
much.  It has all the things in it that judges look to hear, a good natural
pulse and... no one's been playing it for quite a while.

Bill Burt
Chris Hamilton wrote in message
<[e-mail]>...
>On 05 Mar 2000 01:39:21 GMT, [e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:
>
>>I didn't have a big selection to choose from.  I wanted "Dorrator Bridge"
but
>>my light music teacher called it a cheesy damn tune and said he didn't
like it.
>
>Hmm, I remember Guelph playing one of the best MSR's I ever heard -
>Montreal 1981 - Donald Cameron, Dorrator Bridge, and John Morrison of
>Assynt House.  Brilliant.
>
>No cheese in the house.
>
>Chris
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Call to breakup Jewish media conglomerates !!!!  by Salvador Astucia
Date: 07 Mar 2000 20:46:49 -0500

Somebody toss this F***ING bigot out for good, PLEASE!

Salvador2u wrote in message
<[e-mail]>...
>It is truly sickening the way Jews have taken over the news media in the
United
>States.  If the Justice Department was legitimate, it would file anti-trust
>suits to break-up six huge Jewish controlled media conglomerates.  They
are:
>Time Warner, The Walt Disney Company, Seagram Company Limited (they own
>Universal Studios, MCA records and a host of other entertainment
businesses),
>Viacom, General Electric, and News Corporation Limited.
>
>Seven Jewish men run the vast majority of US television, the printed press,
the
>Hollywood movie industry, and the book publishing industry which are
>subsidiaries of huge media conglomerates.  Those men are:
>
>- Gerald Levin, 59, Chairman and CEO of Time Warner, Inc.
>(To see corporate profile, go to http://biz.yahoo.com/p/t/twx.html)
>
>-  Michael Eisner, 57, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company
>(To see corporate profile, go to http://biz.yahoo.com/p/d/dis.html)
>
>-  Edgar Bronfman, Sr., 70, Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd
>(To see corporate profile, go to http://biz.yahoo.com/p/v/vo.html)
>
>-  Edgar Bronfman, Jr, 44, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and
head of
>Universal Studios
>(To see corporate profile, go to previous URL.)
>
>-  Sumner Redstone, 75, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc
>(To see corporate profile, go to http://biz.yahoo.com/p/v/viab.html)
>
>-  Dennis Dammerman, 53, Vice Chairman of General Electric
>(To see corporate profile, go to http://biz.yahoo.com/p/g/ge.html)
>
>-  Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited
>(To see corporate profile, go to http://biz.yahoo.com/p/n/nws.html)
>
>These seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner
>Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, America On-line, Compuserve, Universal
Studios,
>MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records,
>Curb/Universal Records, Interscope Records.
>
>For more details about the Jewish controlled news media, read this:
>
>http://www.abbc.com/islam/english/toread/frnklin.htm#medias
>
>Jews are only two percent of the population in the United States, yet they
have
>acquired nearly absolute control over the news media and the entertainment
>business.  With Time WarnerÆs recent acquisition of America On-Line and
>Compuserve, theyÆre succeeding in swallowing the Internet.
>
>Write your congressional representative and senator.  Voice your complaint
>against the huge Jewish media conglomerates.
>
>For information about the Jewish culture, read the following pieces:
>
>-  The David Irving Trial in England which is challenging major facts about
the
>Holocaust
>http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/PenguinIndex.html
>
>-  The late Benjamin FreedmanÆs explanation of how the Jews stabbed Germany
in
>the back during WWI.
>http://www.natall.com/free-speech/fs956b.html
>
>-  Writings and statements of Theodore Herzl, founder of Zionism (HerzlÆs
words
>are better known as "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion")
>http://www.abbc.com/islam/english/toread/pr-zion.htm
>
>Salvador Astucia
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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Loosing Air!!
Date: 08 Mar 2000 01:15:43 GMT

>My qusetion is will the seasoning stop this, and let me get thru till the end
>of March or should i try to get a new bag

Hide bag, not sheep?

If so, seasoning might prop it up for a couple days but you need a new bag,
unless the leak is identifiable and patchable...but you need a new bag.

Zu

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Dating Kintails
Date: 07 Mar 2000 20:54:35 -0500

Well, to start with, no set of Kintails is any older than say, 1978, give or
take a few years.  The pipes you described sound like the old Kintail
"chalice top" drones which were popular for a while.  If they're from the
early Kintail days, they likely sound a bit stuffy and without a very rich
sound.  Kintail's quality in that era was far better than his current stuff,
though I'm sure someone will disagree with me.

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From: [e-mail] (SirJ1314)
Subject: (bagpipe) My Deger is possesed!
Date: 08 Mar 2000 03:43:45 GMT

A very strange thing happened today when I played my Deger chanter.  I was just
flowing along playing some jigs and all of a sudden the chanter sounded low A
out of the blue...  that's strange.. then D..  then a G grace note and so on.
It played the first 7 notes of amazing grace on it's own!  I didn't really
think much of it because sometimes the notes stick and funny things happen.  So
I continue playing.. a few minutes later it happend again.  I keep playing..
again, again and again it starts to play amazing grace.  About 15 times before
I was finaly done.  So here is the question.  Is my Deger possesed by ancient
pipers long since turned to dust, or does every Deger have a mind of it's own.
After thinking about it, I thought it may be a sign that the batteries are
dying.  It makes sence I guess.  I mean, "Amazing Grace"  is the tune played at
funerals and if the batteries are dying this tune whould be appropriate.  Has
this happened to anyone else?  Cheers, John

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From: Don Robertson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cleaning Real Ivory
Date: 07 Mar 2000 19:20:34 -0800

Use a white vinyl eraser(only white vinyl will do). Don't get the pink or
colored ones they can ruin the ivory. You can get them at art supply stores.
Cheers
Don

dnimmo wrote:

> the question on cleaning imitation ivory sparks me to ask this........I
> noticed Bill's nicely cleaned ivory on his restoration
> pictures....................I wouldn't want to change the beautifully
> developed colour of the ivory, but I would like to clean the mounts.....I
> have used soap and a tooth brush........any other recommends?
>
> David




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From: "Matthew Wood" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Matching odds and ends
Date: 08 Mar 2000 04:25:25 GMT

This was my point.  If we will carve, tape and adjust does the accuracy
down to 0.001" matter?

Matt

> The Shepherd II is a great chanter - ubiquitous and sonorous.
>
> Every chanter will need some adjustment with this or that reed or
> blower or method of setting it up.
>
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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Black Pipe Cords and Pipe Bags
Date: 07 Mar 2000 22:03:02 -0700

Sandy St. James has the black cords in stock and he makes some very nice
Melton wool black bagcovers that are much nicer than corduroy.

Don

George Shears wrote:

> Can anyone recommend a supplier of Black Pipe Cords and a Black Corduroy
> Pipe Bag.
>
> Thanks,
>
> George

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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: My Deger is possesed!
Date: 07 Mar 2000 22:14:50 -0700

The Deger is programmed to do that when the batteries are about to go. It should
tell you that in the manual. Pretty funny the way you described it though.

Don

SirJ1314 wrote:

> A very strange thing happened today when I played my Deger chanter.  I was just
> flowing along playing some jigs and all of a sudden the chanter sounded low A
> out of the blue...  that's strange.. then D..  then a G grace note and so on.
> It played the first 7 notes of amazing grace on it's own!  I didn't really
> think much of it because sometimes the notes stick and funny things happen.  So
> I continue playing.. a few minutes later it happend again.  I keep playing..
> again, again and again it starts to play amazing grace.  About 15 times before
> I was finaly done.  So here is the question.  Is my Deger possesed by ancient
> pipers long since turned to dust, or does every Deger have a mind of it's own.
> After thinking about it, I thought it may be a sign that the batteries are
> dying.  It makes sence I guess.  I mean, "Amazing Grace"  is the tune played at
> funerals and if the batteries are dying this tune whould be appropriate.  Has
> this happened to anyone else?  Cheers, John

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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Matching odds and ends
Date: 08 Mar 2000 00:24:52 -0500

On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:25:25 GMT, "Matthew Wood"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>This was my point.  If we will carve, tape and adjust does the accuracy
>down to 0.001" matter?

It doesn't hurt!

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: "Todd" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bagpipe True Type Font
Date: 07 Mar 2000 22:46:32 -0800

I've got one.  'Made it last year when I got fed up with trying to notate
pipe music with the available commercial software.  And it's both elegant
*AND* happens to be the way most conventional "Music Notation Software"
works!


Yer man,
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James Stewart <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:98Gr4.218$X11.198@firefly...
> You knw, that might work with only 8 or nine notes,  let's see, with six
> lengths each, (that's 64) plus eight dots (that's 72) plus a couple of
dozen
> possible ornaments and half a dozen time signatures, no rests, and perhps
a
> few ties, a triplet mark or two and you might have a workable set of
bapipe
> music fonts that would easily fit into an extended character set.
Hmmm...
> Would'nt be elegant, but it might be usable.
>
> Duane Colley <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> news:[e-mail]...
> > Hi All
> >
> > Any one have, know of a True Type music font (not Tablature) for things
> > bagpipish?
> >
> > thanks
> > Duane
> >
>
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From: "Todd" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SEASONING--Storage/Corrosion?
Date: 07 Mar 2000 22:53:57 -0800

The problem's with the terrible 'tin' can - It rusts - ruining the
seasoning!

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Bduty <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> I've always been told that once you open the tin, pour any remainder in a
glass
> jar, and put it in the frig.  I guess that once it gets exposed to the
air,
> some reaction with the metal can occur, causing it go bad (whatever "bad"
is
> for this stuff).
> Bruce
>
>
> >: I'd like to hear from folks about how they store their seasoning,
> >: particularly those that just leave the stuff in the can in the
> >refrigerator.
> >
> >I was told to put the stuff in the freezer. So I do, and later thaw it
out by
> >placing the tin in a container of warm water for 1/2 hour.
> >
> >I'm not sure if this is "correct", but it works for me.



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From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Verdict
Date: 08 Mar 2000 11:19:12 GMT

>Anyway, I need a volley of support from the NG here!
>Mauve is boycotting a pub night at Hooters on the Saturday,
>where the local band is playing. It's one of those principle things!
>
>What can I possibly say to change her mind! Sounds like it could
>be a right laugh and she'll miss out on it!

Hold Hamish as hostage she will go!

Jim

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From: "Tim Sullivan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Original Highland Bagpipe Construction
Date: 08 Mar 2000 12:02:44 GMT

    As I understand it, bog oak and boxwood were two typical woods.





Andrea Reese <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> I asked my bagpipe instructor this evening what wood would have been
> originally used in Scotland to make Great Highland Bagpipes.  I
> presumed African Blackwood is not native to Scotland and would not
> have been readily available to early Scottish pipe makers.  My
> instructor said he had never really thought about it, but after my
> question shared my curiosity.  So to make a long story longer, I put
> my question to this news group.  What wood were ancient bagpipes made
> from in Scotland?  Thanks in advance for your replies.



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From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Verdict
Date: 08 Mar 2000 07:28:39 -0500

John Mitchell <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:38c5f5c4_4@127.0.0.1...
> Well, I'm off to see Maeve on Thursday. She said she'll give
> me a shot at trying these legendary pipes named Angus!
> Well you know me, I'll let ewe all know if their as good as
> my homegrown Gibby's. This should be interesting! :-)

Yep!!!!!! I can't wait for you to get here!!!! It was a great sneak preview
speaking with you on the phone last night :) :) :) :) I'm like a kid waiting
for Christmas here!!! Angus is geared up and ready for the challenge :) :)
:) But I  fear I might have another problem on my hands . . . it's enough
that I have to watch Dave's every move around Angus!!!!!! KNOW that I will
be checking your bags on your return flight out of here!!!! :)

> It'll be my job to introduce Maeve to the darker side of piping.
> That's Jigs, reels and hornpipes played in "Kit-chin  Sti-Yell"! HEHE!

THIS I really can't wait to see!!!!!!!! I LOVE IT! And I have the greatest
kitchen in the world for piping ;) :) :) :) The acoustic qualitity of a
two-story log home cannot be beat!!!!!!! But this is what the band does
AFTER practice and we'll get a shot at it ALMOST as soon as you get off the
plane. Better get some sleep while in those planes :) :) It will be a long
night!!!!!!

> Anyway, I need a volley of support from the NG here!
> Mauve is boycotting a pub night at Hooters on the Saturday,
> where the local band is playing. It's one of those principle things!
> What can I possibly say to change her mind! Sounds like it could
> be a right laugh and she'll miss out on it!

Well, it's getting close here . .. visions of John Mitchell laying on the
floor of Hooters playing Angus is not something I would want to miss :) :)
:) :) :) There was a dispute amongst some of the band members a few weeks
ago. One of the players was miffed at the rest of the band for whatever and
asked "What about PRINCIPLES?!?!?!?" I calmly looked up and said, "We're
pipers .  . . do we HAVE principles?" Remembering my own statement, I am
having to reconsider just what it is that has kept me out of Hooters for the
last decade or so . ... . there's a few more days before the gig . . .. .
I'M MELTING!!!!!!!!!!! This should be a riot!!!!!!!
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From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Verdict
Date: 08 Mar 2000 07:37:44 -0500

Lurker <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Tell her "Fabio On Horseback" will be riding through.  She'll
> not only be there, she'll be right down front grabbing for a
> rose.

LOL!!!!!! That's pretty much what I told John last night . .. when the
Hunk's start serving at Hooters, I'll be there ;) :) :) :) :) :) I really
didn't think that he wanted me to start on my "exploitation of women"
tirade!!!!
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Taking Ivory pipes to Scotland from the states
Date: 08 Mar 2000 08:41:33 -0500

What you need to do is act now.  Get hold of the U.S. Fisheries & Wildlife
Department to get what is called a CITES permit.  You will have to fill out
a 2 or 3 page questionnaire.  Accompany this application with a cover letter
enclosing a check and application, etc. and what the application is for (3
year permit), along with your phone number, because they might call.  At the
bottom of the letter, include a notarized statment telling  them the
following:  1.  You play a set of Scottish bagpipes made in or around
_________, Scotland, pre-WWII (and approximate date of manufacture); 2.  the
pipes have been in your family for over __ years (grandfather, father, then
you -- you can lie here, they won't check); 3.  that the pipes have ___
pieces of ivory ornamentation from an elephant and; 4.  that they have not
been modified or repaired with real ivory since the Convention.  This is
usually enough for them and you'll be assigned (I kid you not) to a
biologist who will handle your case and likely approve your permit.  You
should opt for a 3 year permit.  You will have to do the same thing with the
folks in Britain.  The CITES office is in Bristol, and they are usually very
helpful and prompt.  US cost last year was $25 for three years, and as I
recall, you'll need to pay for a UK permit for both import and export (10
quid each way).


The US address is:
US Fish and Wildlife Service
Office Management Authority
4401 N. Fairfax Drive, Room 700
Arlington, VA  22203

The UK address is:

Wildlife Licensing & Registration Service
Department of the Environment, Transport & the Regions (DETR)
Tollgate House
Houlton Street
Bristol,  BS219DJ, England

In the UK, you might talk to a Martin Saddington, who is extremely courteous
and helpful

Hope this helps you.  It's not as daunting as it sounds.

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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Summer School featuring Bob Worrall
Date: 08 Mar 2000 09:29:46 -0400


HMAschool wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>        The Highland Musical Arts Summer School of Piping and Drumming,
>scheduled for July 1-7, will be held at the Buck Creek Camp & Conference
>        Chief Piping Instructor Bob Worrall of Burlington,
Ontario........etc....etc........

From having Bob as one of my instructors every summer since I started piping
(not thaat long ago !),  I heartily recommend spending a week with this
gentleman.............he has the unique ability to combine strict attention
to that damn timing stuff,... yet introduce an unbelievable degree of
musicallity into the tune...............
(at a quiet moment in class, slip in some reference to accordions in his
classroom !)

David



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) band advice needed
Date: 08 Mar 2000 13:55:39 GMT

My band is competing for the first time in grade 5 this season.
We have some pipers and drummers that have had the band competition
experience so we know somewhat how to handle it. Our band is mainly a
memorial band, not a competition band. We do many performances each
year, up to 40 band and 20 solo.

Now a problem has cropped up. The problem is that band
practice attendance has really dropped off in the last few months. Also
attendance at performances has been poor with almost 50% of the pipers
not attending. These are usually the same people that don't attend
practices regularly.  Our drummers have been there; almost 100%
attendance. (yeah, drummers!) We are working on some familiar tunes,
getting them ready for competition.  New stuff has not been added for
at least 6 months, although we have been preparing for competition for
only 2 months.

So, my question is, what are some ways to encourage better attendance
at practices and performances?  Just saying "Be there or you're out of
the band" is not a good idea with this particular band.

Thanks for any suggestions.


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From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Judging Certification Exams
Date: 08 Mar 2000 16:26:43 GMT

Hi all,
This is a question for any and all persons on this list who has written the
judging exams for their associations.
My assoc, is as most, desperate for judges. They are asking me to the sit
the exam. One part theory, one part aural. My question to the group is
this..how did you prepare for the exam? I do not play any other instruments
and have no formal education in music. I'm not a composer...
I'd like to be as prepared as one can be for this exam....they haven't even
told me when the actual exam will be, so I don't even know "how long" I have
to prepare...
Any and all help is greatly appreciated!
I really had no thoughts of judging just yet, I'm still competing myself and
have two bands to run at competitions, but I feel somewhat compelled to help
where I can so I know I am not contributing to the problem but helping
eleviate it.
Your thoughts please...
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From: "Ewan A. Macpherson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Taking Ivory pipes to Scotland from the states
Date: 08 Mar 2000 11:38:11 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> What you need to do is act now.  Get hold of the U.S. Fisheries & Wildlife
> Department to get what is called a CITES permit.

On this topic, there's info on required CITES permits to/from Canada at:
http://www.cws-scf.ec.gc.ca/cites/note7_e.html

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From: "Bo M°ller-Nielsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Website for bagpipe supplies
Date: 08 Mar 2000 18:20:53 +0100

Try Bob Dunsire's Bagpipe Web Directory - The Mother of all Web Dir.

http://members.aol.com/bagpipeweb/

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Cheers

Bo Moeller-Nielsen

Dontonton skrev i meddelelsen
<[e-mail]>...
>What's a good website for bagpipe supplies such as reeds, etc?
>
>-Don
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From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Meg Ross Reeds!!! WOW!!
Date: 08 Mar 2000 17:34:37 GMT

I just received my first shipment of MegRoss Reeds, in the prescribed
timeline...(within 2 weeks of my order) from one coast to the other. They
are comparable in price with reeds I have ordered from the UK etc.  I hauled
out both of my best Sinclair chanters...one an early 80's and one a late
80's model...For a big, rich band sound, I've not heard anything with this
"oomph" for years!!
They vibrate easily...like the Warnocks they are most definitely modelled
after, but the sound that eminates from that chanter with these reeds is
ALOT different.
The reeds were first of all, playable...every one of them...right out of the
box...
How many of you have,  in the past,  ordered reeds from one supplier or
another to find that in a dozen you get only maybe 4 or 5 good ones, and 2
or 3 that would suffice and the rest was junk??
I ordered to start with, 3 dozen easy to medium (for my grade 5 bunch) and 3
dozen goooood medium ones for the rest of us.
First I tried them in the old chanter...(it being my preferred chanter when
band playing, simply because it has more wood in it and creates a bigger
sound, and is set slightly flatter than the newer model)
I received a very full bodied, balanced scale from top to bottom, that
sweetened ever so slightly with about 20 mins of playing...The stability of
the reed is incredible...(no wonder SFU is playing them) These reeds I also
found are very easy to blow steadily...no effort for the sweet high A, No
effort blowing out b's etc til the reed is settled...virtually I blew what
was there and was very pleased with it. The reed vibrates, no matter what
the strength, very well.
Now for solo playing, I have always opted for the newer chanter...simply
because it produces a very sweet sound..(higher pitched) I can use a
relatively new reed...to get the crispness needed...but its not horribly
flat as so many good reeds are when you first pop them in. I was very
pleased with the sweet tone that I got right off the bat...again well
balanced...not so volumnous Im afraid, but again, this chanter has less wood
and is pitched a good degree higher than the old one. After 20 mins the reed
held its tone and was easy to blow steadily
I'm not aware that too many folks here on the east coast are playing
them...so we may be the first band this summer east playing them. I'll let
you know my thoughts again at the end of the summer.
All in all....I have a hunch that I will be ordering future reeds from
MegRoss....see their website for contact info
Megros.com  or contact me if you have any questions...
Slainte,
Lori




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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: horse hair sporan
Date: 08 Mar 2000 13:19:43 -0400


LFpiper wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>does anybody know how to clean a horse hair sporan.Also does anybody have
any
>tricks to straighten it, mine tends to bend to one side.
>                                                            lee


Yes.....very simple.............

The Scots sucked you English and Yanks in on this horshair baloney......get
yourself a proper sporran, and stop looking rediculous !

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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: band advice needed
Date: 08 Mar 2000 13:31:01 -0400


[e-mail] wrote in message <8a5m4r$hs7$[e-mail]>...
>My band is competing for the first time in grade 5 this season.
>We have some pipers and drummers that have had the band competition
>experience so we know somewhat how to handle it
>
>Now a problem has cropped up. The problem is that band
>practice attendance has really dropped off in the last few
months...etc....etc...

OK....WHO decided you were going to compete ?......determine what factors
have caused the attendance drop off ?........quietly survey ALL your members
and get a feel for why they are in the band, and what THEY want to
do.......no leading questions.......let them put it in their own
words.............document the responses.............

Not learning anything new can be a major demotivator.....for the senior
members, why turn out to practice stuff you have been playing for
years...........possibly you need a two or three tiered practice, starting
early for beginners, later joined by experienced members, then later the
newbies drop out as you do competition stuff...............

Are the decision makers communicating with the rank and file ?
(communications is two way)
Is there a clearly stated "mission statement" so all members know what the
real goal is?    and if there is, and the attendance has dropped
off.....well.........

In summary.....the short answer........ASK THEM

David



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From: "Peter Anderson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: band advice needed
Date: 08 Mar 2000 18:16:55 -0000

The same thing happened with my old band - no interest, little skill, no
good teaching.  In fact there was no point in going as they had kept the
same sets since the band was formed in 1952 (that is not a misprint).  Then
five years ago two of us started a new band, we were lucky, very very lucky
and got an ex Scots Guards P/M to be our P/M.  The standard went up by leaps
and bounds and we started to attract a lot of good players.  We now have one
open, 3 grade 1, 2 grade 2, 2 grade 3 and the rest are grade 4----.   A few
weeks ago our lead tip left the Army and is now with 'full time' - he is the
ex lead tip Irish Guards and within a few weeks has sorted out drummers.
The amazing thing is that we are attracting more and more drummers.  Last
week the band won (by a large margin) a grade 4 quartete comp. and hope to
win a mini band comp next month.  Next year we will start in earnest on the
comp curcuit.   I do not mean to sound flashy, but it was bringing a skilled
piper to the band that made all the difference, we started 5 years ago with
just two of us and now on a good night I have counted 28 pipers and 9
drummers.  As each month passes the word spreads and more come, just two
days ago a new piper showed up who turned out to be a piping teacher of a
very good local band.  Tonight a member of the COW is coming along,
aparently he is over in the UK until August, I will be interested to hear
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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: band advice needed
Date: 08 Mar 2000 13:24:14 -0500

On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:16:55 -0000, "Peter Anderson"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Tonight a member of the COW is coming along,
>aparently he is over in the UK until August, I will be interested to hear
>what he thinks of our crowd.

Och, that'd be John Whyte, over in London for an internship ...

We want him back when you're done with him!!!

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Dunsire)
Subject: (bagpipe) Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter
Date: 08 Mar 2000 18:32:42 GMT

Greetings,

Last night at my daughters' band practise I took some reading with my new Sound
Level Meter. Quite a few of the parents there were interested in the results,
so I thought I'd share them here too..

First - the band  had 14 pipers last night - and practise in a fairly large
university lecture hall. (Robert Malcolm Memorial Juvenile PB - practice at
Simon Fraser University)

With just the pipers - readings taken at the position where I'd get the same
sound level as the pipers' were exposed to.. 100 - 103 dB.
Pipers and Drummer - checking all around the back of the circle, again trying
to find the sound they were exposed to.. 100 - 105 dB

I had more fun that that, but my conclusion was... the sound level of that
band, in that location, is not one that will or should cause hearing problems
for them.  (Generally an hour per day of 105 dB is considered acceptable. Two
hours per day of 100dB is usually considered acceptable.)

As a parent I have always been curious.. (as a Piper I was not as worried -
kinda  strange?)

I will, with my new toy, take readings in different practise locations, and
report if anything interesting shows up..


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From: [e-mail] (Bob Dunsire)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scotch
Date: 08 Mar 2000 18:57:44 GMT

>I know you like all those Bob, to the extent you smuggle some in to
>events where they are unavailable, but didn't I see you with Dr.
>Pepper in your Lagavulin on one occasion?<G>

Oh Ken, that still is a sad memory..

I think I need to clear this up, lest someone get the wrong idea....

A short story: The evening's formal event had completed, a few of us were
sitting around having pleasant conversation, I turned my back on my drink, and
heard a "oohh yuch!.. what is that!" and turned just in time to see a
youngster, in the middle of combining all the drink remnants from the table
into one.. my cup-o-Lagavulin.. I was too late.. and .. well.. a sad memory
that.

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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 08 Mar 2000 14:25:15 -0500

12/8 is to 6/8 as 4/4 is to 2/4.  when you change a  bar of 12/8 into two bars of
6/8, you theoretically change  thr triplets from SwMw to Sw SW.  By the sxame
token , you could write walzes in 6/8 played as if each bar of 6/8 were two bars
of 3/8.

Zudupiper wrote:

> >If
> >you take a tune like Brown Haired Maiden and just eliminate half of
> >the bar lines, this is not at all what I mean.
>
> Right.  You have to change the values of all the notes.  It's not as simple as
> eliminating bar lines.
>
> But you can add bar lines to turn a 12/8 into a 6/8 with no other changes,
> right?
>
> Zu


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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Meg Ross Reeds!!! WOW!!
Date: 08 Mar 2000 19:28:10 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] wrote:

> I ordered about 6 hard ones from them and I like the sound in the
> Sinclair's too.  I find that sometimes I need to pinch right in the
> middle to get the flat F to sharpen but, that could just be me.
>
> Brian

My instructor noticed the same flat "F" in his Naill chanter, with the
hard reeds.  But, they are very nice reeds.

Pat


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From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Judging Certification Exams
Date: 08 Mar 2000 19:46:48 GMT

This is the second note someone has written me on why I shouldn't be a
judge....
I have been playing pipes for long enough that I know all the
drawbacks...I'm going to do it because I think I can contribute and give
back to my association...
Now, for the second time....
please, I was asking how people who have their certs...prepared for the
theory part of the exam
thanks in advance,
Lori
ccc31807 wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>I have no thoughts on judging or qualifying to be a judge. I do
>have some thoughts as to obligations of judges, by virtue of
>having been required to employ judges at piping competitions.
>
>Do not have your name put on the list unless (1) you are serious
>about your committment to help judge piping competitions and (2)
>you are willing to do so at some personal sacrifice, both in
>time and money.
>
>It is a miserable job, and from my standpoint, judges, most of
>them and the best of them, see this as a way to put back
>something into piping as a small remuneration for having taken
>much in the past. Unless you are willing to give, and give
>freely and at personal cost, don't do it.
>
>That said, this is one of those jobs where it's better to have
>someone stand in and do it, even though it's done wrong, than to
>wait until it can be done right and consequently doesn't get
>done at all.
>
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From: "Steve White" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: band advice needed
Date: 08 Mar 2000 19:50:03 -0000

I've been in exactly the same situation.  In the end I moved to find a new
band "really" interested in competing.  Sounds like you have what is
essentially a hobbyist / fun band .... nothing wrong with that .... until
some of you realise you have potential.  The trouble is, that unless you
communicate fully and are VERY organised you upset the applecart by raising
the stakes.  You also have to accept that some of the players aren't into
putting any work in - they will want to treat it casually as before.  Its a
very delicate balance.  You can try and handle it delicately and gradually
up the ante - but that will take time.  Or - you can do as I did and jump
ship / form a new band / amalgamate with another band.

That's all I can offer, well apart from wishing you good luck.
Cheers,
Steve White


[e-mail] wrote in message <8a5m4r$hs7$[e-mail]>...
>My band is competing for the first time in grade 5 this season.
>We have some pipers and drummers that have had the band competition
>experience so we know somewhat how to handle it. Our band is mainly a
>memorial band, not a competition band. We do many performances each
>year, up to 40 band and 20 solo.
>
>Now a problem has cropped up. The problem is that band
>practice attendance has really dropped off in the last few months. Also
>attendance at performances has been poor with almost 50% of the pipers
>not attending. These are usually the same people that don't attend
>practices regularly.  Our drummers have been there; almost 100%
>attendance. (yeah, drummers!) We are working on some familiar tunes,
>getting them ready for competition.  New stuff has not been added for
>at least 6 months, although we have been preparing for competition for
>only 2 months.
>
>So, my question is, what are some ways to encourage better attendance
>at practices and performances?  Just saying "Be there or you're out of
>the band" is not a good idea with this particular band.
>
>Thanks for any suggestions.
>
>
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From: "Steve White" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Salute to the newsgroup & its contributors
Date: 08 Mar 2000 19:53:47 -0000

Hi all,

Is it my imagination or has the signal to noise ratio increased considerably
recently?  Well done one and all!

Cheers,
Steve White



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From: "Steve White" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter
Date: 08 Mar 2000 19:42:35 -0000

Nice one Bob.  I'm interested in this.
Cheers,
Steve White


Bob Dunsire wrote in message
<[e-mail]>...
>Greetings,
>
>Last night at my daughters' band practise I took some reading with my new
Sound
>Level Meter. Quite a few of the parents there were interested in the
results,
>so I thought I'd share them here too..
>
>First - the band  had 14 pipers last night - and practise in a fairly large
>university lecture hall. (Robert Malcolm Memorial Juvenile PB - practice at
>Simon Fraser University)
>
>With just the pipers - readings taken at the position where I'd get the
same
>sound level as the pipers' were exposed to.. 100 - 103 dB.
>Pipers and Drummer - checking all around the back of the circle, again
trying
>to find the sound they were exposed to.. 100 - 105 dB
>
>I had more fun that that, but my conclusion was... the sound level of that
>band, in that location, is not one that will or should cause hearing
problems
>for them.  (Generally an hour per day of 105 dB is considered acceptable.
Two
>hours per day of 100dB is usually considered acceptable.)
>
>As a parent I have always been curious.. (as a Piper I was not as worried -
>kinda  strange?)
>
>I will, with my new toy, take readings in different practise locations, and
>report if anything interesting shows up..
>
>
>Bob D.
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From: Brian Counihan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scotch
Date: 08 Mar 2000 20:38:14 GMT



> My preference is on the Macallan side

Being a confirmed and resolute stout drinker (Guinness or Murphy's), I'm
waying in on the the McCallan vote also.

My first drunk/hangover came at a tender young age on some type of
whyskey and I have been unable to palette it since. Until I tasted the
McCallan. Just like liquid smoke, especially the 18 yr old.

--
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"If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it
makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy


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From: "Steve White" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Worlds Qualifying
Date: 08 Mar 2000 19:51:36 -0000

This doesn't sound very fair to me.  Can you tell me / point me at .... an
explanation of what the system will be?

Cheers,
Steve White


piperdoon wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>This new system the RSPB is trying to implement for
>qualifying at the Worlds is Bull Crap! All it does is give
>the Scotish bands more chances to qualify than the overseas
>bands. And they'll have an easier time to do so because
>they'll be playing against less bands, 3 seperate times.
>Overseas bands who weren't in the top six the previous year,
>only get one chance to make it and against 12-15 bands. Why
>should we pay huge amounts of money to go over there, and
>have the cards stacked against us? They should at least give
>us an opportunity to qualify here in Canada.....Bull
>Crap!!!!
>
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From: Doug Campbell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Provo SFU Spectacular
Date: 08 Mar 2000 17:00:03 -0500



MMorgan634 wrote:

> Bruce:
> Don't forget that Monte and I are still here in the land of Osmochops and
> lurking about on the fringes of this NG.  We could probably do scotch in the
> hottub when all is said and done.
>
> Marilyn

First Prize for Best Non-Sequitur & Inadvertently Posted Proposition of the
Day!

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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter
Date: 08 Mar 2000 18:27:00 -0400

Yes Bob......keep us posted !

David

Steve White wrote in message <8a6cah$1b2l$[e-mail]>...
>Nice one Bob.  I'm interested in this.
>Cheers,
>Steve White
>
>
>Bob Dunsire wrote in message
><[e-mail]>...
>>Greetings,
>>
>>Last night at my daughters' band practise I took some reading with my new
>Sound
>>Level Meter. ........etc....etc....



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From: "Matthew Wood" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: band advice needed
Date: 08 Mar 2000 23:13:26 GMT

Our band does about 20 parades/performances and try for 6-10 contests.
This is not an insane amount of jobs...especially since the stated reason
for their band was memorials.

We have the opposite happening though.  We formed with 10 players and now
our ranks are up to 60 members with 35 performing members(this includes
parade and contest players).(all in four years)

We have good leadership, good instruction and great members willing to put
the time in.

Matt
ROMPD
NJ, USA

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> 40 jobs? That is just insane.
>
> >We do many performances each year, up to 40 band and 20 solo.
>
>
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From: Richard Mao <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter
Date: 08 Mar 2000 19:07:18 -0500


Hi Bob...

Would you do some research with the sound meter as follows..

Measure some good solo pipers... and what is the decibel level of the chanter
versus the drones... of a well balanced set of pipes  (say six inches from front of
chanter ... six inches from top of drones)....

versus get some measurements on pipers who a good soloist considers have poorly
balanced pipes...

I think this would add a quantitative set of data points to this aspect of
piping...

Thanks in advance..

Use things & love people
     not the other way aroundàDiana Leising

Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( [e-mail] )



Bob Dunsire wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> Last night at my daughters' band practise I took some reading with my new Sound
> Level Meter. Quite a few of the parents there were interested in the results,
> so I thought I'd share them here too..
>


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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Matching odds and ends
Date: 09 Mar 2000 00:16:28 GMT

On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 00:56:50 GMT, "Matthew Wood"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>OK, OK, my turn.
>
>As we all have experienced...CARVING.
>
>As an engineer I agree that the Kron capabilities are quite good.
>But...Will this accurate reproduction eliminate the need for chanter
>carving???...Yes??? NO???

*Carving* in the 78th Fraser sense, yes. Undercutting or some
intonational adjustment will always be necessary due to the rather
major differences in intonation each reed will manifest due to
peculiarities in the elevation or gap at the lips, the volume of the
throat or "tone chamber" and of course what brutalities the individual
piper heaps upon these critical dimensions.

In spite of what our Mr. Kirkwood claims, while Ken Eller, them man
who "never" carves chanters, was involved in chanter making himself,
he hand-pitched, or hand-filed/reamed/carved whatever the method, each
note on the finished chanters. If you have very good "matched" reeds
for strength as well as dimensions, you can pretty much get them
perfectly tuned with a little tape here and there, and some very minor
undercutting. But even those who "never" carve a chanter, find it
inevitable that the big flat guys or strong reed blowers don't tune
exactly on some intervals with the weak guys with the little
nose-blower reeds. Carving, or customizing intonational settings
particularly on F, D, C, and B, depending on the make of the chanter,
as the problems manifest, is normal, not universal, and not supposed
to be dramatic.

>Until we can clone humans and clone the reeds
>then we will still need to carve (or tape) each chanter...Even said that
>the "classic" MarkII needed some carving.

And there are a several reasons for "carving" for the sake of
"carving." The first would be if you bought the Mark III, or just
demanded that a particular reed play in a particular chanter for
reasons of tone, and unfortunately the intonation was not good with
the combination. You might do some wholesale hacking to get the reed
to work and live with the deformed holes for the sake of the magic
tone you wanted. Second, you might like the reed and chanter, but want
to drive the combination even harder. So you might use the hardest
reeds the guy makes, open them up a bit with a mandrel even, and then
to get the whole chanter pitch up do the the resultant drop, you can
do one of two things; shove the reed in to sharpen the upperhand,
carve the lowerhand all to hell to match it, or leave the reed with
balanced intonation, and undercut or carve every hole a little bit to
bring the whole thing up in pitch.

Generally speaking however, when I say "matched" chanters I mean with
the same reed they'll play the same pitch and intonation. With similar
reeds they'll be very close in pitch and intonation.

When I say you need to get "matched" chanters from a maker, I'll use
the veteran Warmac as an example. The generation 1 was very
consistent. You could get any one from any run and it would tune up in
the same *relative pitch* as any other generation with the same reed.
The generation 2 *raised the relative pitch* but would tune with any
other generation 2 with the same reed. Generation 1 and 2 however,
were about 3-4 cents off in relative pitch. If you reeded up the
generation one, it would sound beautiful or "balanced--which is some
really lame term used by the GHB crowd that does not really define
anything musically--in its *intonation.* The scale sounded good. If
you reed up the generation 2 next to it, it's intonation would sound
great as well. Its tone would sound great. They'd both sound great.
But each and every note would be 3-4 cents off *base tuning.* That
means together the *whole scale* is going to sound a bit off, and when
you add to that general blowing innaccuracy, playing a tune at times
you'll be at opposite extremes and compound the error to the point
where it's just plain annoying. So then comes the generation 3. Now,
with the two just mentioned, you can dork with reeds and tape and a
little carving to tune them perfectly together. Add another 3 or 4
cents difference now, and the generation 3 is not going to play with
the generation 1 without some more involved goofing around.

Back to the Gibson example. Gibson himself says nobody can tell the
difference between his new "solo" and "band" chanters. Likewise, the
older chanters have similarly great variances in *base pitch.* I had a
set of 93's, which were good up till 95 I think. They came in around
472 or something. In 96, Gibson's pitch shot to 478 or 480 by some
counts. No way in hell can you get the set I had from 93 to play in
with that, without greatly carving every single hole, even after
you've shoved the reed way in. (This what the Frasers have done with
their old Sinclairs to get up to their present pitch. The fact is,
most of the bands playing "Sinclairs" and giving so much credit to the
name and it's great "tone" are playing Sinclairs that have had the
living shite carved out of them so the holes are twice the size of the
ones you get with the original model, and if they were playing without
these radical modifications, the "tone" would be about half of what
Sinclair gets credit for.) I think the 96, or at least some of them,
looked identical to the 93-5 models. I'm not certain all the 96 line
kept the same pitch or external dimensions, but I think there was also
a pitch change that dropped in 96. In 97, the external look of the
chanter changed to a much thinner walled, slender-necked version that
seemed pitch around 474-6, and internal changes were probably made
that greatly improved the upperhand smoothness and projection, and
solved for the most part the chanter's dependence on MacAllister
reeds, which were no longer available. Then in 98 or late 97, a "solo"
version of the 97 was produced. The 97 was still sold as a "band"
version in 98, but I think in 99, the pitch of 97 chassis was dorked
with and there again evolved at least two pitches of the "band"
version of that basic 97 design at the present time, along with a
"solo" version, which may also come in different pitches.

On top of this, going back a ways, not sure how far, but in the 80's
and early 90's I think there was another design entirely, and I don't
think it was based on the "Sinclair" of the more recent models, but
externally if I recall correctly it was very similar to the 93 set I
had. So if you have a bag-0-Gibsons you can range from about 470-480,
they are not all uniquely identifiable by external design flags, and
those even most recent, externally identical models, vary in both base
pitch and tonal or intonational qualities, and in the last 3 years
base pitch still ranges in these variants from 474-480 or thereabouts.

Going back the the Warmac, you have 3 clearly identifiable external
design flags telling you exactly what version you own. Each variant is
entirely consistent for base pitch and intonation to a very good
tolerance, within these 3 versions. If a dealer, or your drunken
cousin, or some guy on the street corner, offers you a bag-O-Warmacs,
in about two seconds you can see what version they all are from
grossly obvious external, and if it's all the same, they are a
"matched" set because they have been precisely machined from the same,
unchanged spec as all the others in that "generation."

Kron has a number of pitch/intonational/tonal tweaks in the last few
years as well, however, they aren't so severe that they won't all tune
together, and each chanter is clearly marked with a production number
so the maker can tell you the run/tooling/spec/reamer used. And beyond
that, even the new "higher" pitched models aren't really "pitched" in
the classic GHB sense. You tell Kron where you want them to tune. The
ability to buy new chanters to match your own, even if the new ones
have a different, and indeed better tone/reamer/spacing/etc than the
ones you bought years back, is permanent. This is only possibly due to
a complete control over the technology and theory of the instrument.
So instead of pulling a Gibson, or a Shepherd, and dicking around with
a good design, and then scrapping last year's simply because you don't
have the technological know-how or versatility to run off whatever the
hell you want whenever the hell you need to, you tell Kron what you
need to match and bingle bangle bongle, keystroke, keystroke,
keystroke, out comes a chanter in *your* pitch matching *your*
chanters, even if they aren't Krons. You end up with the GHB falling
into the same category of "real" instruments, where you can show up at
a gig with one Fender and one Takamine and a Baldwin and a Sho-bud and
they all tune together, not because the same troglodyte with a wood
chisel and driling jig arrived at by years of poking about was really
accurate with his ruler that day, but because they were designed by
engineers to play at an agreed upon pitch.

Shepherd's new chanter is the worst example of this Neanderthal GHB
mentality. It's almost just out of spite that he's actively dumped the
mark II and simpy refuses to make it. "This is the pitch, this is the
intonation, this is the tone you will have" he's determined and now
you just have to live with it. As far as matching his old model, well,
just get stuffed. But the truth is, with modern production techniques
there's no reason you couldn't pitch the same basic bore over a wide
range on demand.

Royce

(And then watch it get taped and carved anyway.)

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Provo SFU Spectacular
Date: 09 Mar 2000 00:34:21 GMT

On 07 Mar 2000 04:40:15 GMT, [e-mail] (HATHABODHRAN) wrote:

>Royce:
>
>The last thing I heard was Utah is closed.  I am surprised you have not
>received a busy signal when trying to contact any of us.  And you just keep
>your hands of my djembe!!

I'm travelling light, but I'm debating the wisdom of sending my djembe
through the baggage handling. If there's a band or session there I'd
really like to play. I'd hate to drag it along for nothing though.

>Your contact man is Dan Stuart, I believe his e-mail is on the web page.  If
>not, I believe I have his direct number at my work.  I have two numbers for the
>Provo Marriott, 801-377-4700, FAX is 801-377-4708 and of course the toll free
>1-800-777-7144.  As far as I know the thing is still on.  I sent my hard earned
>money to the festival and we all know drummers don't make any money.

I guess we're set for accomodations, but the Marriot was entirely
uninformed about the "special rate" and said to talk to the promoter,
so we're staying at the "Crap-O-Lodge" with the cracked pool down on
University diagonal toward the hospital. Or the dumpster down behind
Reams on Center street. (Well, maybe the Travel Lodge near the
Marriot.)
>
>>a ceilidh to play it at, or is this ceilidh some
>>Scottish-dressup thing for the old duffers.
>
>Not sure about the ceilidh.  Andrew's ceilidh band is playing, they are called
>Shanahay.  Pretty good group but they are in desperate need of some percussion,
>(subtle hint from a Bodhran and bones hacker).

Hey, if you're on bodhran, then your djembe is free....

>Bring your whistle.  Not sure
>what key Andrew's Lowland Pipes are keyed in.  They are probably playing some
>of the same tunes you played in SCERA so the adjustment won't be too difficult.
> Should be a good time, but how good can it be in Provo?

Maybe the Zetlands can come along if they're good. They're in D. But
the whistle with definitely come. How about we invite all the Irish
session-types to the ceilidh, where we'll plot the real ceilidh
sometime over the weekend?
>
>See you there.
>Bruce

With bells on.

Royce

(I'll be morris dancing at half-time.)


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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Water Trap
Date: 09 Mar 2000 00:24:51 GMT

On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 05:38:07 -0800, ccc31807
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>,
>[e-mail] (Royce Lerwick) wrote:
>>The spring whistles when you blow through it. Don't use a
>spring.
>>
>>Royce
>
>Yes, it does. Sounds like an asthma wheeze. Noticable when you
>blow up your bag.
>
>However, if you can hear it while you are playing, it's not the
>great Highland bagpipe you have it in.

Haven't been to any piobaireachd indoor contests eh?

Royce

(Yo din hinar...wheeeze...Ho din hinar...wheeeze)

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Provo SFU Spectacular
Date: 09 Mar 2000 00:46:53 GMT

On 08 Mar 2000 21:10:42 GMT, [e-mail] (MMorgan634) wrote:

>Bruce:
>Don't forget that Monte and I are still here in the land of Osmochops and
>lurking about on the fringes of this NG.  We could probably do scotch in the
>hottub when all is said and done.
>
>Marilyn

Hey, you guys help me round up all the heathen slackers and gentile,
nonmember, apostate, weak-testimonied ceilidh mongers so we can cruise
Center street with out SFU CD's playing really loud on the car's
boomer system on Friday.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Dating Kintails
Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:01:04 GMT

On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:54:35 -0500, <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Well, to start with, no set of Kintails is any older than say, 1978, give or
>take a few years.  The pipes you described sound like the old Kintail
>"chalice top" drones which were popular for a while.  If they're from the
>early Kintail days, they likely sound a bit stuffy and without a very rich
>sound.  Kintail's quality in that era was far better than his current stuff,
>though I'm sure someone will disagree with me.
>
>Bill Burt

I'm sure Iain Sherwood will.

Royce

(Not me.)

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Matching odds and ends
Date: 09 Mar 2000 00:56:14 GMT

On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:25:25 GMT, "Matthew Wood"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>This was my point.  If we will carve, tape and adjust does the accuracy
>down to 0.001" matter?

For all the reasons of "base pitch" it matters as just posted
elsewhere. More importantly, certain dimensions, the throat area of
the chanter and wall thickness, the reed seat and others, make big
differences in in tonal quality, particularly the upperhand strength
or lowerhand stability. The dreaded "collapsing F" or wonky D, B, or F
is another big reason you want that sort of precision. Once you get a
design that overcomes these problems as much as possible, you don't
want to have to pass off every 2nd or third chanter as just not quite
as "full" or "stable" as the others.

Royce

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From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Verdict
Date: 09 Mar 2000 00:34:28 GMT

1) Might not have to check his bags.  The smart money says he's staying!
2) My good friend in CT owns a log cabin and you're right.  Nothing quite
like it!  Especially when the cat landed on the cast iron stove, which is
probably what will happen when Mitchell cranks up Angus!  By the way, has
Angus ever been up on two wheels before?
3) I could be mistaken, but I think the band will be drinking free at
Hooters and that John may be finding his own way home... and it may take a
few days!  Bring your camera!

Good luck with him, Maeve.  I'm flying to SF and LA for the weekend and
would gladly exchange tickets with Mitch, however the west coast has not
received sufficient warning!

Ringo

Maeve <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> John Mitchell <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> news:38c5f5c4_4@127.0.0.1...
> > Well, I'm off to see Maeve on Thursday. She said she'll give
> > me a shot at trying these legendary pipes named Angus!
> > Well you know me, I'll let ewe all know if their as good as
> > my homegrown Gibby's. This should be interesting! :-)
>
> Yep!!!!!! I can't wait for you to get here!!!! It was a great sneak
preview
> speaking with you on the phone last night :) :) :) :) I'm like a kid
waiting
> for Christmas here!!! Angus is geared up and ready for the challenge :) :)
> :) But I  fear I might have another problem on my hands . . . it's enough
> that I have to watch Dave's every move around Angus!!!!!! KNOW that I will
> be checking your bags on your return flight out of here!!!! :)
>
> > It'll be my job to introduce Maeve to the darker side of piping.
> > That's Jigs, reels and hornpipes played in "Kit-chin  Sti-Yell"! HEHE!
>
> THIS I really can't wait to see!!!!!!!! I LOVE IT! And I have the greatest
> kitchen in the world for piping ;) :) :) :) The acoustic qualitity of a
> two-story log home cannot be beat!!!!!!! But this is what the band does
> AFTER practice and we'll get a shot at it ALMOST as soon as you get off
the
> plane. Better get some sleep while in those planes :) :) It will be a long
> night!!!!!!
>
> > Anyway, I need a volley of support from the NG here!
> > Mauve is boycotting a pub night at Hooters on the Saturday,
> > where the local band is playing. It's one of those principle things!
> > What can I possibly say to change her mind! Sounds like it could
> > be a right laugh and she'll miss out on it!
>
> Well, it's getting close here . .. visions of John Mitchell laying on the
> floor of Hooters playing Angus is not something I would want to miss :) :)
> :) :) :) There was a dispute amongst some of the band members a few weeks
> ago. One of the players was miffed at the rest of the band for whatever
and
> asked "What about PRINCIPLES?!?!?!?" I calmly looked up and said, "We're
> pipers .  . . do we HAVE principles?" Remembering my own statement, I am
> having to reconsider just what it is that has kept me out of Hooters for
the
> last decade or so . ... . there's a few more days before the gig . . .. .
> I'M MELTING!!!!!!!!!!! This should be a riot!!!!!!!
> --
> Love and Light be with you,
> Maeve . . . in sunny Florida!
> http://people.delphi.com/terralyn
> authoring sandykeith.com
> "To live is the rarest thing in the world.
>  Most people exist, that is all."
>  Oscar Wilde
>
>
>
>



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From: "Matthew Wood" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Matching odds and ends
Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:09:41 GMT

Thanks Royce.

That was what I was trying to get.  I did not think the tolerances were
that "big" of a deal on the holes, but on the throat it is most critical.

Matt

Royce Lerwick <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:25:25 GMT, "Matthew Wood"
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >This was my point.  If we will carve, tape and adjust does the accuracy
> >down to 0.001" matter?
>
> For all the reasons of "base pitch" it matters as just posted
> elsewhere. More importantly, certain dimensions, the throat area of
> the chanter and wall thickness, the reed seat and others, make big
> differences in in tonal quality, particularly the upperhand strength
> or lowerhand stability. The dreaded "collapsing F" or wonky D, B, or F
> is another big reason you want that sort of precision. Once you get a
> design that overcomes these problems as much as possible, you don't
> want to have to pass off every 2nd or third chanter as just not quite
> as "full" or "stable" as the others.
>
> Royce
>

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: looking for used bagpipe??
Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:17:24 GMT

> $700 for used plastic pipes? What the #$%^
>

It's probably Canadian $ and includes case, reeds and everything.  Not such a
bad deal in that case.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: band advice needed
Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:32:16 GMT

>40 jobs? That is just insane.
>

That's about the size of a tidy solo business.  But for a band, that's way too
much unless you're a for-profit organization.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Loosing Air!!
Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:05:37 GMT

On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:51:42 -0500, "John Mitchell"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>> My qusetion is will the seasoning stop this, and let me get thru till the
>end
>> of March or should i try to get a new bag
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill
>
>Dump the hide bag, and get a Ross. End all problems!

Fairy tales, can come through, it can happen to you...if you buy a
Ross....


Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Verdict
Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:23:08 GMT

>Well, I'm off to see Maeve on Thursday.

Beware Maeve's Motel.  The pipers check in, but they don't check out!

johnnie, we hardly knew ye.


Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: band advice needed
Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:34:45 GMT

>Ask yourself what you would rather do, go to the cottage or spend it
>at a dismal memorial service.
>

You pay, I play.  That's one reason I'm not in a band.  Weekend performances,
gigs for free.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Salute to the newsgroup & its contributors
Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:36:46 GMT

>Is it my imagination or has the signal to noise ratio increased considerably
>recently?

This too shall pass ; )

Zu

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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scotch
Date: 08 Mar 2000 14:18:53 -0900

kingfisher wrote:

> mixing fine single malt with anything other than a drop or two of spring
> water? what's happening to youngsters now days? damn..
>
> pete

Out for a drink with the pater years back, and he ordered a malt (can't
remember which one).  The bartender asked if he wanted water or soda in it,
to which my father replied "NO! - Just put it in a glass, the way God made
it!"

Words to live by,

Cheers,

Michael



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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Salute to the newsgroup & its contributors
Date: 08 Mar 2000 21:57:02 -0500


It is the climax of the off-season.  Not too much for people to argue about
anymore.  Wait until competitions start up again.


Steve White <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:8a6cvi$1bi3$[e-mail]...
> Hi all,
>
> Is it my imagination or has the signal to noise ratio increased
considerably
> recently?  Well done one and all!
>
> Cheers,
> Steve White
>
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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Provo SFU Spectacular
Date: 09 Mar 2000 00:42:48 GMT

On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 21:42:24 -0800, ferraridrones
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Royce,
>if needs be, I'll put you up...

Maybe a ride from the airport, but we've got a place. My wife and I
are making something of a 20th wedding anniversary trip of it.

>but please don't slam the guys at
>NACAF... Provo Marriot pulled one of their no-brainer's, made a sweet
>deal to be the host hotel and everything... then forgot to write it
>down and give it to the idiots answering the phones and the management,
>etc. Don't worry about the actual events... the Marriot got that
>straight (probably because they got paid for that)... They totally
>dropped the ball on the housing... it was big enough to be felt by
>everyone here... If anyone else out there is having housing problems...
>contact Dan Stuart at 801-356-8808, or by e-mail  [e-mail].
>Dan is working on the situation and will have results by the time most
>of you read this.

Yes, we started trying to firm up plans a couple of months ago and the
web site wasn't really up and the Marriot didn't have a clue. Then it
looked like the Master's Invitational vanished from the lineup. My
wife's been working on the plans, so we got registered, then began to
wonder if anything was coming off or what, then it looked like we were
actually going to be needed to play in Chicago the same weekend in the
miniband contest, so she tried to cancell it, then we decided neither
of us were up on the new band's material enough to have to worry about
a contest yet, so I think we're still set to go and have the tickets
and everything. For a while there though, things were pretty iffy.
>
>Royce... as for the ceilidh... get ready to PARTY! No Stuff Shirts
>Allowed... bring whatever you need to hang... djembe (got that)...
>wistle (bring it)... and enjoy.

I'm heading for the concert on Thursday as well, assuming the flights
connect and I can get from the Airport to Provo in time. I paid for
the tickets so I'll be showing up one way or another, even if I have
to buy a car. Look for the big Minnesota-looking guy in a Brian Boru
black pullover exhibiting obnoxious and un-Utah-like cheering
behaviors.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Verdict
Date: 09 Mar 2000 03:03:31 GMT

>Beware Maeve's Motel.  The pipers check in, but they don't check out!
>
>johnnie, we hardly knew ye.
>

What do you think she will be calling John's pipe's?!

Jim

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From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Verdict
Date: 08 Mar 2000 23:19:42 -0500

Ron Bowen <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:okCx4.28491$[e-mail]...
> 1) Might not have to check his bags.  The smart money says he's staying!

Well, I have already asked my husband if I could keep him for a pet. I've
always been the one to bring home the strays . .. .  ;) :) :) Have fun on
the West Coast . . . . I KNOW what fun WE are going to have here!!!!! And .
..yeah . .. I THINK that I might be doing the Hooter's thing . . . just
can't risk missing the antics!
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From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Website for bagpipe supplies
Date: 09 Mar 2000 06:19:37 GMT

http://www.houseofbagpipes.com

Be carefull not to get lost, its a huge site. Lots to see.
Mike

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From: "Peter Anderson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: band advice needed
Date: 09 Mar 2000 11:59:02 -0000


"Chris Hamilton" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:16:55 -0000, "Peter Anderson"
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >Tonight a member of the COW is coming along,
> >aparently he is over in the UK until August, I will be interested to hear
> >what he thinks of our crowd.
>
> Och, that'd be John Whyte, over in London for an internship ...
>
> We want him back when you're done with him!!!
>
> Chris
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Chris Hamilton

Hi Chris
Yep that was John.  Nice chanter by the way (a loud Shepherd), the strange
thing was that his pitch came in the same as ours.  At the moment we are all
using wooden Naill chanters - good for solo work but not loud enough for the
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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Need 1 Shepherd Mark III chanter!
Date: 09 Mar 2000 08:23:05 -0500

John, break the bank!  Isn't $25 a bit high for a Shepherd chanter? ;)

Bill
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>that I just completely balluxed!
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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: band advice needed
Date: 09 Mar 2000 07:25:03 -0500

On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:59:02 -0000, "Peter Anderson"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Hi Chris
>Yep that was John.  Nice chanter by the way (a loud Shepherd), the strange
>thing was that his pitch came in the same as ours.  At the moment we are all
>using wooden Naill chanters - good for solo work but not loud enough for the
>band.  We need more money before we upgrade.

As his, uh, U.S. Sponsor, I'll be skimming a tax off the top ...

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Bob Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kelsey's Wee Reel
Date: 09 Mar 2000 17:00:11 +0000

I have it in BMW format, do you use BMW ?

Chris Thomas wrote:

> Anybody know where I might find Kelsey's Wee Reel, by Iain Symington?
> It's on 78th Frasers's Flames of Wrath (awsome CD by the way). I've
> checked Scotts Guards I (only book I've got at the moment).
>
> Thanks in advance, Chris.


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From: Brian Counihan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Worlds Qualifying
Date: 09 Mar 2000 16:38:43 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  "Adrian M.Melvin" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I agree and I think that bands from overseas should send in letters to
the RSPBA informing them of the discontent and one sided format it would
be.It is
> clearly unfair in my mind.
> Adrian Melvin.
>

Adrian,

  Nice to see you on th NG again. Sounds like they want to stack the
deck in favor of their own. Perhaps it has something to do with the
increasing amount of overseas bands showing up in the prize list at all
levels, not just the Gr I.

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From: [e-mail] (Bob Dunsire)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter
Date: 09 Mar 2000 17:47:40 GMT

Hi Grahame,

I am not an expert in this subject area - by any means.  My understanding is
that damage to hearing (related to sound levels) is done by a combination of
sound level and the duration of the exposure.

Generally, in the US, the numbers go like this:

95 dB - ok for 4 hours a day
100 dB - ok for 2 hours a day
105 bd - ok for 1 hour a day

Given this, I understand why professionals (tuners of organs or even pipes)
would wear hearing protection.

>I tune organs for a living and have been told by old tuners that
>anything over 98 decibels is harmful to hearing....always depending on
>the time of exposure.  Many tuners wear earplugs to protect their
>hearing.  Do you know of some updated info. on this subject?
>
>Best wishes...Grahame in Tucson (7 Piper's Society)
>
>
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From: Chris Thomas <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Kelsey's Wee Reel
Date: 09 Mar 2000 09:26:39 -0500

Anybody know where I might find Kelsey's Wee Reel, by Iain Symington?
It's on 78th Frasers's Flames of Wrath (awsome CD by the way). I've
checked Scotts Guards I (only book I've got at the moment).

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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Childrens Songs
Date: 09 Mar 2000 11:01:37 -0500

If I remember correctly, there are some simple childres' tunes in Victoria
Murgatroyd's bagpipe tutor, which may stil be downlaodable from the web. I
don't still have theURL, but I know somebody here will.

Robbie wrote:

> R131Rescue wrote in message
> <[e-mail]>...
> >Does anyone know where I might find childrens songs written for the
> bagpipes.
> >I have hear that they are out there, (ex: mary had a little lamb) but I am
> >unsure of where to find them.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks in
> >advanced.
>
> Most of them are pretty easy to figure out - when I play for kids I always
> throw in my version of "This Old Man" which is very popular among the wee
> tots as it was bastardized by Barney as his theme song. Sorry, but I play
> this stuff from my head and never the exact same way twice.
>
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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Meg Ross Reeds!!! WOW!!
Date: 09 Mar 2000 21:16:19 GMT

In article <a3zx4.2800$[e-mail]>,
  "John and/or Lori Gaudet" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I suggested to Brian Pat, that I put NO moisture onto the reed and it
> eliminated the problem for me.
> I play a Ross Cannister System though....may be the difference
> he is gonna try without moisture as he told me he was deliberately
putting
> moisture on the reed before starting to play!
> Cheers,
> Lori

The majority of the hard reeds exhibited this tendancy right out of the
box.  He hasn't had time to work with them very much yet.  But I'll let
him know of your advise.  Thanks.

Pat


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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Verdict
Date: 09 Mar 2000 21:28:29 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Beginnertunes) wrote:

> Ummm... no I can't say it!

Does it have anything to do with the title of a Shirley Temple
movie??????  Here's a hint, Bill.   "WWW"

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Steadiness and Reed Efficiency
Date: 09 Mar 2000 23:58:38 GMT

Once you have the rudiments of blowing and squeezing down, is steadiness more
or less determined by the efficiency of your reed setup?

What I mean is: you're never going to get even close to steady tone unless
you're putting more air into the bag than is escaping through all the reeds.

And once you've got that, it's a piece of cake to blow steady, and only a
little more difficult to blow tone.

If all the pipers out there could have an efficient setup, the only thing that
would separate the open pipers from the grade 4's would be the fingers.

Or is this heresy?

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Reed Discussion (warning: technical)
Date: 10 Mar 2000 00:12:51 GMT

I've been experimenting with alternate screws for my drone reeds (ex-Wygents).
I started thinking, the bigger the better, and so far my results bear that out.

Not only is this counter-intuitive at first, but almost laughable in practice.
The huge head of the stove bolt on the end of the reed just barely fits into
the stock at all.  Nobody would expect it to even work, but it works like a
champ.

Anyhow.  I did some measurements and some calculations.  First I calculated the
area of the stock (2-dimensional not 3-d), then subtracted the area of the head
of the reed (whether standard Wygent, modified screw, or whatever) to get the
"clearance".   Then I calculated the area of the orifice of the reed (which
admittedly varies from maker to maker and bass to tenor).  And finally I took a
ratio of the "reed head clearance" to "orifice area".

My thinking is that the ideal ratio would be 1:1 and anything more is overkill
and leads to inefficiency.

Here are the ratios I came up with (Wygent tenor bodies):
Standard Wygent screws: 5.8
Stove Bolts (uncoated): 1.9
Stove Bolts (coated): 1.8
Stove Bolts (coated 2x): 1.4
(coated 3x, I project, would get me to about 1.1 but if my math is off, the
head of the bolt won't even fit into the stock at all, so I'm reluctant to
apply any more coats)

As the ratio goes down, efficiency goes up.  Remarkably so.

In laymans' terms, my hypothesis is that the ID of the stock doesn't need to be
much bigger than the size of the orifice of the reed for maximum efficiency.

Empirically, changing the screw makes a MUCH bigger difference than retonguing.

Is anybody up for a discussion of this, and can anybody explain the physics
behind it?

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Loosing Air!!
Date: 10 Mar 2000 00:16:50 GMT

>If I buy a Ross, will I go from gradeV to gradeI just by buying a
>Ross?

No.  Buying a Ross bag will only get you to grade 4.  Then you have to buy Ross
drone reeds to get to grade 3.  And a Ross kilt to get to grade 2.  And play
like Willie Ross to get to grade 1.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Steadiness and Reed Efficiency
Date: 10 Mar 2000 01:05:03 GMT

>And blowing steady is not just a piece of cake unless you're blowing
>regularly and know what you're aiming for.

What I really meant was this. My blowing is the same as it was 2 weeks ago. But
my reed setup is much more efficient today than it was 2 weeks ago.  As a
result, my steadiness is a lot better.  I know this just by listening to my
pipes, because 2 weeks ago I could hear the drones waver at points where my
blowing was sagging.

Now, efficiency is up.  The bag feels tighter under my arm.  I seem to be able
to blow in shorter puffs than before.  The drones don't waver discernibly (to
me at least) like they used to.

What I'm saying is that the "delta" that happens when you stop squeezing and
start blowing, that cushion if you want to call it that, seems to be bigger and
that helps my steadiness.

>And blowing tone is not just a little more difficult. It's an art

Okay, I'm probably not blowing tone yet.  What I do have though is a chanter
that's in tune with the drones on all notes (except a wee flattish hiA), and
the drones in tune with themselves.

But I can tune up much more easily now, and I finish with the drones in tune
with the chanter, even after an MSR (which for me is harder than a piob).  It's
a big step up for me. No, it's a HUGE step up for me.

But if all it took was a better setup....howcum EVERYBODY's not doing this?

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Bob Dunsire)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter
Date: 09 Mar 2000 18:09:46 GMT

Hi Richard,

Sounded (ha ha) like fun, so I did a version of it:

<<Measure some good solo pipers... and what is the decibel level of the chanter
versus the drones... of a well balanced set of pipes  (say six inches from
front of
chanter ... six inches from top of drones)....

versus get some measurements on pipers who a good soloist considers have poorly
balanced pipes...
>>

Actually - what I did was to take three readings : two at the left ear of the
player - trying to get the noise level for a) drones only and b) drones and
chanter
 and one about 3 feet away, and directly in front of the chanter.

I took reading from a beginner piper (adult student of Alison's - less than a
month on Naill pipes), a Grade 3 solo player (Grainger drones, Naill chanter),
and a very good Grade 1 player (Naill drones, Naill chanter).. And I took
readings in 5 different locations in our house..(yep just another night of
piping in the Dunsire house...)

I think I'll do this in considerable detail at some point, but for now, just
some results..

Beginner (easy chanter reed)  - big rooms -
drones only - 90dB
drones + - 96dB
from the front - 102dB

G3 (med / hard chanter) - big rooms (three) -
drones - 88 to 90 dB
drones +  - 99 to 100 dB
front - 105 to 106 dB

small rooms -
drones - 91 - 92 dB
+ - 102 -103 dB
front - 108

G1 - (med hard chanter) - big rooms -
drones - 92
+ - 99-100
front - 106-108

small rooms -
drones - 94-95
+ - 102-104
front 108

A few (preliminary) confusions (oops - I mean conclusions):

Volume of the room matters - the large rooms were similar in sound levels, and
they varied from a finished 3 car garage - long and low - to a 20 by 30 entry
hall with a 20 ft ceiling.

Distance from wall matters -

Floor material seems to matter little in these tests - Wood, carpet, concrete -
room size and volume seemed to matter more - but see following.

All rooms contained had considerable sound deadening material - and I know that
changes results..

your mileage will vary..

Many interesting things too - Naill drones sound louder than Grainger, and ..
well, they are louder..

I also took a reading with both girls playing.. large room.. single girl was
100 dB - for either.. combined, the result was 103dB (kind of suspicious,
'cause it is supposed to work that way..)

Whew... well, I had fun with it anyway.. I love playing with stuff like this..
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From: [e-mail] (Thunder1z)
Subject: (bagpipe) tune search: A Soldier's Song
Date: 10 Mar 2000 03:33:24 GMT

I'm seeking A Soldier's Song, preferably as a GIF, but shall gladly accept any
form that someone would kindly supply.  Many thanks for assistance.

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DOES THE REED CHANGE FREQUENCY
Date: 09 Mar 2000 00:59:33 GMT

>Does the reed change, open and close
>faster or open wider when the notes are played or is the sound created in
>the chanter itself with the reed simply providing a regular tone to be
>modified in the chanter itself or some combination.

I really don't know for sure, but I think the latter.  If pipers are trying for
stability and constant pressure it would make sense if the reed vibrates at a
constant frequency and the different tones are produced by the length of the
column of air beyond it.

But maybe there's some sort of acoustic feedback that changes the chanter reed
vibrations.

Good question!

Zu

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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Discussion (warning: technical)
Date: 10 Mar 2000 04:03:54 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:
> I've been experimenting with alternate screws for my drone reeds
(ex-Wygents).
> I started thinking, the bigger the better, and so far my results bear
that out.

Here's another one to ponder.  I cut the head off the Wygent tuning
screw and that lowered the pitch of the reed.  Think that head does
something to the air flow?

Pat


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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Black Pipe Cords and Pipe Bags
Date: 10 Mar 2000 04:42:12 GMT

Beginnertunes wrote:
> >We found it
> >doesn't really save you much, but you get good quality and EXACTLY what
> >you want as far as colors, etc.

> Man you must really live in ferrie land...
<snip>
> when I mentioned colors they laughed out loud, but
> promised that they could order whatever color I'd like,
> but I needed to order a minimun of 6 yards!!!!!!! to do so.

Okay, maybe not exactly if you're looking to match a very precise color,
but we found maybe a dozen or more fringe colors. I didn't mean so much
as there's a million cord/tassle colors, but more that you can mix and
match fringe and bag colors to get what you want, i.e. if you want a
black bag with orange trim, you probably couldn't find one already made,
but you could make up your own and get EXACTLY what you want.

Andrew
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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: wygent reeds
Date: 10 Mar 2000 05:14:41 GMT

You will probably get good advice from the NG, but you can also just
check out his site for an answer or e-mail Wygent himself:

http://www.wygent.com/

Andrew
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From: Don Robertson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Original Highland Bagpipe Construction
Date: 09 Mar 2000 21:21:11 -0800



>
>
> They used the "phenolic tree" in ancient times.
>

Which is from the species Delrin.
   But seriously, the others are correct I think if I remember my facts from the
Bagpipe book I have. I might also be of interest to note that the mounts that we
now take for granted as ornimentation, held the endgrain on the old sets from
splitting.
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From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) John Mitchell is being held hostage!!!!
Date: 10 Mar 2000 00:25:57 -0500

Yes, it's true! We have decided that John will be residing in Florida if WE
have anything to say about it! This might not be much of a problem as he is
adapting well to the temperatures!!!! At the moment, he is resting
comfortably after a VERY trying day :) :) :) We've had a great time so far .
. . I think I can safely speak for John!!!! The poor guy wasn't here a half
an hour when he and Angus began to tangle :) John spent the afternoon
getting Angus in peak condition for the band practice tonight! It was great
fun watching him and listening to the two of them!! After dinner, we went to
"practice" where the guys allowed him to audition and accepted him as a
member of our band. A flurry of activity had John entirely uniformed and
ready for a parade this Saturday, with the infamous Hooter's gig to follow.
John's words to me after the guys had begun to deck him out?? "Maeve. . .
I'm going to make you feel like a REAL woman . . . sew these patches on this
shirt and iron it." I can't bring myself to type the reply I made to John .
. .my image would be shattered!!!!! Practice was short tonight but the fun
was LONG!!! John introduced us to his "Kitchen-style" piping, challenged the
young drummers to keep up with him and wore them all out! GOOD SHOW! We have
a rather peaceful day planned for tomorrow but I promised to let him get to
the NG via MY computer . . . then you will hear HIS side of the story :)  :)
:) More to follow!
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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Provo SFU Spectacular
Date: 10 Mar 2000 06:02:56 GMT

On 09 Mar 2000 04:26:03 GMT, [e-mail] (HATHABODHRAN) wrote:

>>cruise
>>Center street with out SFU CD's playing really loud on the car's
>>boomer system on Friday.
>
>Sorry Royce.  Ever since they made the only topless bar in Provo move from
>Center Street, heathen activities have been moved beyond the city limits.

Hey, wait a minute...isn't that the Novell building right down town by
the city hall now? Apparently some heathen activities are permitted.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Quick fix for the Mark III
Date: 10 Mar 2000 06:08:00 GMT

On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 11:21:14 -0500, madman <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>John Mitchell wrote:
>>
>> Don't ask why, I just need one to replace this one
>> that I just completely balluxed!
>>
>> I'll pay up to $25!
>>
>
>Hey John...you can fix that unforgiving flat high-hand on those things
>by
>getting someone to put them on a lathe and cutting down the hemp tenon
>by 3/32",
>and then shoving a 1 degree 24 minute,half-round taper reamer into the
>throat.
>You'll also have to re-cut the reed seat a bit to compensate for cutting
>it down.
>Find a one degree-40 minute half-round taper reamer.
>
>You'll still have to cut into the bulb a bit, to compensate for the now
>shortened hemp-tenon,so you get the same length of tenon in the stock.
>This works phenomenally well on the Mark III...just use the above
>mentioned tools.

You know, couldn't Shepherd just do that? Then it would be the mark
\IV, just like the famous Hardie that finally got made right.

Royce

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From: "Matt Buckley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Steadiness and Reed Efficiency
Date: 10 Mar 2000 08:06:41 -0500



Chris Eyre <[e-mail]> wrote

> And blowing tone is not just a little more difficult. It's an art that
comes
> from knowing every part of your instrument and the condition of your
reeds
> intimately. And that often involves more time and patience than many
pipers
> can afford or are dedicated enough to put in.

One of the interesting, and depressing, aspects of achieving tone and
efficiency a majority of the time is the off-day when little seems to be
going right.  Yesterday, the weather changed dramatically in Vermont, from
30s the day before to 60s, with humidity, the next day. The result was
chaos, even
with the Wygents  After 30 min. of attempting to blow
tone, I quit in disgust and decided to try again after
the weather had stabilized in a day or two.

These off-days, however, are exciting in a sense be-
cause, having experienced tone and efficiency, I don't
want to settle for anything less.  The result, for now,
is feeling a bit in-the-middle, i.e. knowing too much to
go back to the old ways, and not knowing enough to handle extreme changes
in conditions, and to blow
tone, at least 90% of the time.

I suspect that many pipers, in addition to lacking time
and patience, also want to avoid confronting the occasional , but
unavoidable, despair (I love the title of David Quinn's UP reed book - "The
Piper's Despair") that comes from mucking about with reeds.

Cheers.  Matt

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From: "Matt Buckley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: wygent reeds
Date: 10 Mar 2000 08:10:19 -0500



Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>

> You will probably get good advice from the NG, but you can also just
> check out his site for an answer or e-mail Wygent himself:

> http://www.wygent.com/


I recently e-mailed Mark with some questions, and
immediately received a phone call back.  Mark and I
had a long, and fruitful, discussion regarding the reeds, and what I could
and could not expect Dua-tone-wise, in my Henderson-dimensioned Moore
pipes.  He was extremely helpful, and was free with his time and advice.

Matt


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From: Chris Thomas <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Thanks Dave and Mark!
Date: 10 Mar 2000 08:39:57 -0500

Just a beginnier here,  but I wanted to say a public thanks to Dave
Atherton and Mark Lee.

The pipes are fantastic..your craftsmanship is OUTSTANDING! ....And the
reeds sound great (to an uneducated person like me). I've had absolutely
no problems keeping the drones going and relatively steady....and I
guarantee you it's not because of me! (Dang that pressure thing - will I
ever get that e to stop warbling?).

Had a lesson w/Donald Lindsay last night - WOW, my head is still
spinning - tons of stuff to keep me busy for a while.  Turns out he has
a high opinion of Mark's reed too (just thought I'd add fuel to the fire
<G>).

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Strathspey Musings
Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:15:40 GMT

>I like Dorrator Bridge very much as well, and do not think it
>all a cheesy tune. I would be interested in knowing why your
>instructor feels the way he does about it.

I like the chune too.  It appealed to me as a simple tune to learn, and it was
recommended to me by a couple of folks.

Teacher doesn't play the tune.  I showed him the music, he looked at it,
fingered it over, said "I dinna like it" and that was that.  Then he went into
a dissertation about how ALL the 4-parted strathspeys in SG are hard.  And
finished by saying that he has "grave reservations" about my strathspey
playing.

Struan Robertson is still easier than last year's chune, Ewe with the Crooked
Horn, but it's not an easy tune by any means.

Zu

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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: public safety pipe band?
Date: 10 Mar 2000 09:34:04 -0400

Ha !  .......welcome to the reality...................David

just a guy wrote in message <8a9kkr$5no$[e-mail]>...
>i'm currently working for a metro-atlanta police dept. and a small,
>determined group of us are putting together a pipe/drum band from anyone
>interested in our public safety dept. we have the blessing and support of
>the chief but will not be (at least initially) a budgeted unit, and are
>currently fundraising to purchase our highland attire. each piper will be
>responsible for providing individual pipes.
>
>can anyone offer any first-hand advice on fundraising? grants? donations?
>pros/cons on being a self-sustaining unit (raising our own money) versus
>being a police dept.special unit, funded by a yearly budget but at the
mercy
>of the county commissioners for that very funding?
>
>we would appreciate hearing from anyone who has been there.
>thanks,
>jon
>
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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter
Date: 10 Mar 2000 09:48:32 -0400


Chris Eyre wrote in message <8aap3l$k8g$[e-mail]>...
>>|
>| Don't forget that the dB is a log. scale, and the numbers
>| progress exponentially rather than arithmatically. Thus, an
>| increase from 100 to 110 dB is not a ten percent increase, but
>| (if memory serves) about a one hundred percent increase.
>|
>
>Well, well... I never knew this.


I believe every 3db is a doubling of  sound/power  etc............it is hard
to wrap ones mind around this initially.............I don't know if sound is
same as electronics/communications,  but to get a  3db increase in a
signal's strength in a radio receiver requires that the power of the
transmitter be doubled !

David



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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: horse hair sporan
Date: 09 Mar 2000 01:26:34 GMT

>does anybody know how to clean a horse hair sporan.Also does anybody have any
>tricks to straighten it, mine tends to bend to one side.

I shampooed mine, gently and gingerly.  It's old, and lots of hair fell out,
but it looks beautiful now.

Somebody gave me a tip that if you keep the sporran in a plastic bag that the
newspaper comes in, it keeps the hair from spreading out.  They're right.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Bob Dunsire)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter
Date: 10 Mar 2000 18:07:04 GMT

Greetings Chris,

This is fun for me, but I fear my daughters might be a little tired of my sound
meter games... (Oh no.. here he comes AGAIN)

>> I would be very interested
>in knowing what reading the chanter alone would have produced from the same
>position as (a) and (b), ie. near the ear. And also what readings you would
>have got from the bass drone by itself and the tenors by themselves >>

So from last night - again G1 & G3 daughters (players I mean) - in a large room
with a very high ceiling- I took readings - a) at their ear, b) 5 ft in front
of the chanter:

(I'm getting lazy here - so I hope you can figure out my 'shorthand')

G3 - ear -  all - 100dB
  - chanter only 100dB (duh)
 - 5ft - all 105
 - ch - 105 (still duh)
 - drones - all 78
 - drones-  tenors only 76

G1 - ear -- 5ft in front -
full pipes 100 -- 106
one tenor - 85 -- 80
two tenors 91 -- 83
 all drones 91 -- 84
(I found that last one really interesting, and checked  a number of times.. in
that room, this was the result)

Then, just to see, I took readings directly in front of the chanter
6 inches - 115dB
1 ft - 110 dB
2 ft. 108dB
3 ft. 106 dB

Think about your pipe major / chanter tuner's ears.. youch..

Bob D.
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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Marching....
Date: 10 Mar 2000 15:26:02 -0400


STEPHEN PANNONE wrote in message
<8aavr2$2n3e$[e-mail]>...
>
>Lets talk about Marching....
>
>Just starting out with marching...Just a few easy questions
>
>Start on the ____________ foot
>End on the _____________ foot
>
>What should I know for basic Pipe Major commands
>
>Just trying to get a head start...My teacher Just gave me an intro to
>marching, and just want to get a little ahead of the game....


Start by pushing left foot forward on the  MARCH command.

First drum roll will cover the first  LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT steps (and hand
comes up on bag, on second left)

Next RIGHT is the space between first and second drum roll....

Second drum roll covers next LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT..........( bring drones in)

Next RIGHT.....get bag under your arm and your fingers on the chanter
PROPERLY  (you will initially think there is not enought time for
this.....saying so will mark you as a real newbie so shut up and get on with
it)

Next LEFT.......cut chanter in on the "E"..........

Pick the longest room in the house and  grunt the drum rolls to yourself as
you practice it (no pipes at first, but  go thru the motions with your hands
a few times,  then........then add the pipes........and do it again a few
times..............with practice it will seem so natural.......initially you
will be "all hands, feet and arms"..............

All commands will (should) be given as you are bringing down your left
foot.............

So the HALT will be called on the left..... (right after a
precautionary/warning which gets you prepared).............After the call
HALT, on the left, continue with a RIGHT step and a LEFT step, then the next
RIGHT is the last step (half a step) and it brings your right foot up beside
your left one (and you are halted)...........on the last LEFT step you will
probably lean your torso back a wee bit, a shift of weight to compensate for
the change in momentum that is about to happen............on the last RIGHT
(half step) bring your knee up a bit higher than normal, until the upper
half of your leg is horizontal, then bring foot straight down(not quite
straight down but it feels like it) until heels are almost touching and feet
are angled at about 45 degrees.  The height you lift your right knee on the
left step will vary from band to band,  as will the height you raise your
arms when marching.

have fun............David



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From: "Steve White" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter
Date: 10 Mar 2000 22:04:41 -0000

That's my understanding too.  I've asked the inhabitants of
alt.sci.physics.acoustics for clarification ... they know their stuff there!

Cheers,
Steve White

dnimmo wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>I believe every 3db is a doubling of  sound/power  etc............it is
hard
>to wrap ones mind around this initially.............I don't know if sound
is
>same as electronics/communications,  but to get a  3db increase in a
>signal's strength in a radio receiver requires that the power of the
>transmitter be doubled !
>David



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From: "Steve White" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter
Date: 10 Mar 2000 22:08:41 -0000

Bob Dunsire wrote in message
<[e-mail]>...
>Then, just to see, I took readings directly in front of the chanter
>6 inches - 115dB
>1 ft - 110 dB
>2 ft. 108dB
>3 ft. 106 dB

These changes shouldn't be that surprising.  At close range you've got the
inverse square law ..... ie. the power of the sound wave spreads out in all
directions so the power falls off by a factor of 4 every time you double
your distance from the source ...... 115dB to 110dB is, I believe, a fall
off to 1/4.  As soon as you are more than 1 foot away the reflections in the
environment start to water it down.  That's my best guess.

Cheers,
Steve White



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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Steadiness and Reed Efficiency
Date: 10 Mar 2000 22:50:53 GMT

>One of the interesting, and depressing, aspects of achieving tone and
>efficiency a majority of the time is the off-day when little seems to be
>going right.  Yesterday, the weather changed dramatically in Vermont, from
>30s the day before to 60s, with humidity, the next day.

Nice to be able to play outside, eh?

>The result was
>chaos, even
>with the Wygents  After 30 min. of attempting to blow
>tone, I quit in disgust and decided to try again after

Aw, balls.

60 degrees should be tolerably near normal indoor practice temp, so I'm
surprised you had problems.

Well, I take that back.  With the changeable weather we've been having lately,
some of my joints are loosening up and I need to beef them up with a little
waxed hemp.  In the last week or so I've added roughly a foot of hemp to each
of my stock joints and some teflon on the tuning pins.

>having experienced tone and efficiency, I don't
>want to settle for anything less.

I hear you.

>The result, for now,
>is feeling a bit in-the-middle, i.e. knowing too much to
>go back to the old ways, and not knowing enough to handle extreme changes
>in conditions, and to blow
>tone, at least 90% of the time.

It ain't easy.  If piping was easy, we'd have to pay the drummers!

Hang in there.....

Zu

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From: "Steve White" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter
Date: 10 Mar 2000 21:59:25 -0000

I'm not sure either but I thought 3 dB was a doubling in volume. I'll check.
Cheers,
Steve White


matheson wrote in message ...
>IIRC from my electronics basics, a 3dB shift is the threshold of audible
>change, in other words you wouldn't notice a difference at any less than
>3dB, so not so different in loudness; but because the scale is logarithmic
a
>10dB shift is a doubling of volume.
>
>Les
>
>Steve White <[e-mail]> wrote in message
>news:8a9h3m$q9e$[e-mail]...
>> Now I know I shouldn't but I still find this quite startling.  There's a
>3dB
>> difference between beginner & G3 and between G3 and G1. That's a hell of
a
>> difference!  Is it down to having the lung power to drive a good set of
>> reeds?  Excellent thread.
>> Cheers,
>> Steve White
>>
>>
>> Bob Dunsire wrote in message
>> <[e-mail]>...
>> >Beginner (easy chanter reed)  - big rooms -
>> >from the front - 102dB
>> >G3 (med / hard chanter) - big rooms (three) -
>> >front - 105 to 106 dB
>> >G1 - (med hard chanter) - big rooms -
>> >front - 106-108
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Discussion (warning: technical)
Date: 10 Mar 2000 23:06:03 GMT

>Yo, like Zu, T-shirt dude:
>Watcha mean by "coat"---with wat dude? And, like, dude, wat's a "stove bolt"?

Coat means coated with liquid rubber, the stuff that you can dip tool handles
in to get a nice rubber grip.

A stove bolt is a round-headed bolt or screw (the distinction is blurry) that
has a whopping huge head with no groove in it.  The head is bigger than the
head of a round-headed bolt, which was my first choice.  Check it out next time
you're at the hardware store.

>Also, how does the reduced air passageway from the bag to the reed
>affect drone volume?

Again, this isn't intuitive at all.  I expected the sound to be muffled, but
just the reverse is true.  Slightly increased volume for much less air, and I
found the quality/ timbre of the sound to be more "thick" or "dense".  More
ringing, more richness, more steadiness.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Discussion (warning: technical)
Date: 10 Mar 2000 23:01:50 GMT

>Here's another one to ponder.  I cut the head off the Wygent tuning
>screw and that lowered the pitch of the reed.  Think that head does
>something to the air flow?

Absolutely.  I did the same thing (actually, I changed the original screw for a
headless set-screw).  Didn't notice much of a difference.

The screw was originally conceived as a mechanical device to artificially
lengthen the drone reed.  I think nobody ever considered the air flow over the
screw.

Mark Lee did when he came up with his pointy-headed Rockets.

Mark Wygent presumably started to consider airflow when he designed his
Dua-tones, except he went for a rounded head the same size as the original.
The original heads seem to have been picked arbitrarily because they are the
ONLY AVAILABLE nylon fastener in that size range.  Believe me, I looked
everywhere for alternatives.

I'm not really thrilled to have the mass of stainless steel stove bolts and
rubber clogging the end of my reeds, but the end justifies the means I think.

Zu



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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: wygent reeds
Date: 10 Mar 2000 23:08:26 GMT

>This is pretty common with Wygents.  One thing that I did (and I
>think there might be something similar to it in the
>instructions) is took a little peice of hemp and tied tight
>around the bridle.  This prevents the drone from dramatically
>changing pitch and it also gets rid of the double-tone.  After
>playing them for a while, they will get broken in and you won't
>need the hemp.  It isn't permanent, it is just to break in the
>reeds without having to hear the double-tone.

Or you can change the bridle for something tighter (clear plastic tubing, or a
series of 3 o-rings) and practically eliminate the breakin period altogether.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Marching....
Date: 10 Mar 2000 23:15:18 GMT

>Start on the ____________ foot

Left

>End on the _____________ foot
>

Right, unless you're playing tunes in 3/4 or 9/8 time.

>What should I know for basic Pipe Major commands

"By the right, quick march" is what is usually used to get you started, and you
generally stop playing at a predetermined point (end of a set, etc).

Marching takes some getting used to.  The problem is, that at your level of
development, you can't play the tunes anywhere near fast enough to march to
comfortably.  I'm teaching a student to march about now, and I wound up playing
a tune and marching to it, and he first started tapping his foot, then
following along behind me.  That's probably the best way, but I'm teaching him
solo competition-style marching, not street marching.  Street marching is much
easier.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) T-shirt slogan contest
Date: 10 Mar 2000 23:19:55 GMT

>On one, show a pipe chanter, with only two fingers on it (the middle
>finger of each hand)  All other fingers bent, so as to give the bird.
>The caption is "Watch my fingers".

That means artwork, which drives the price up.  I have to pass on that
suggestion ; )

>The other one has two sides.  The back says:  Mean things my Pipe Major
>Says:

Now that has possibilities!  I'm up for a contest.  But I need to sell at least
2 dozen shirts to justify ordering 4 dozen and thereby getting the good price.

Suggestions?  The floor is open.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-shirts
Date: 10 Mar 2000 23:21:13 GMT

>How about  "bagpiip" in a red circle with a line drawn through it? I'd even
>send Dave a pic of my face, and you could use that instead of the words
>"bagpiip".

I think the considerable demand for such a shirt would justify the added
expense of artwork!

; )

Dave

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From: "Jeff Ramsden \(MacLe≥id\)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: tune search: A Soldier's Song
Date: 10 Mar 2000 16:34:51 -0800

"Thunder1z" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> I'm seeking A Soldier's Song, preferably as a GIF, but shall gladly
accept any
> form that someone would kindly supply.  Many thanks for assistance.

I am as well.....I'd appreciate any help!


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Pacific Region Vice President Clan MacLeod Society USA, Inc.
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From: Richard Mao <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Keeping time with the music
Date: 10 Mar 2000 19:52:30 -0500


Hi...

In my opinion. a different way of saying what you are getting at...

when the notes are long versus short within any specific beat... it's a
matter of ratios... the difference in holding the long versus the short
note...that distinguishes a 6/8 from a 2/4.

For example, I've seen two settings for "Oh, Gin I Were a Baron's Heir"..
2/4 and 6/8... ( I read, BTW, that the composer was a Brit who wanted to
compose a tune in the Scottish style... and that the 2/4 version is what
resulted).

If I had to perform them so that an audience would hear the difference...
the ratios in 2/4 would be more exaggerated than the mathematical 3 to 1
called for... more like 4 or 5 to one.... long versus short notes...in most
typical 2/4 competition style marches.

In the 6/8... the ratio's would be more towards the 2 to 1 ratio called for
by the printed music... It would sound more swinging....swing of the kilt
style..

This I'm sure is what Mr. Campbell was alluding to when he was referring to
the different performances he heard on his CD's.

Cheers..

Use things & love people
     not the other way aroundàDiana Leising

Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( [e-mail] )



Lloyd Bogart wrote:

> <snipped>
>
> I've tried desperately to keep out of this discussion ;-)  but I have
> to say, again, that it's an *unusua* 2/4 that cannot be better *written*
> as a 6/8 or  even a 12/8.  And in *other* forms of Scottish and Irish
> music I don't see the preponderance of 2/4 and 4/4 tunes that have
> come to us from the military piping tradition.
>
> Regards
>
> Lloyd
> *****


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From: "Matthew Wood" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter
Date: 11 Mar 2000 01:09:59 GMT

10 dB is a double.  Not 3 dB.

Matt

Steve White <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<8abt2s$2nfd$[e-mail]>...
> I'm not sure either but I thought 3 dB was a doubling in volume. I'll
check.
> Cheers,
> Steve White
>
>
> matheson wrote in message ...
> >IIRC from my electronics basics, a 3dB shift is the threshold of audible
> >change, in other words you wouldn't notice a difference at any less than
> >3dB, so not so different in loudness; but because the scale is
logarithmic
> a
> >10dB shift is a doubling of volume.
> >
> >Les
> >
> >Steve White <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> >news:8a9h3m$q9e$[e-mail]...
> >> Now I know I shouldn't but I still find this quite startling.  There's
a
> >3dB
> >> difference between beginner & G3 and between G3 and G1. That's a hell
of
> a
> >> difference!  Is it down to having the lung power to drive a good set
of
> >> reeds?  Excellent thread.
> >> Cheers,
> >> Steve White
> >>
> >>
> >> Bob Dunsire wrote in message
> >> <[e-mail]>...
> >> >Beginner (easy chanter reed)  - big rooms -
> >> >from the front - 102dB
> >> >G3 (med / hard chanter) - big rooms (three) -
> >> >front - 105 to 106 dB
> >> >G1 - (med hard chanter) - big rooms -
> >> >front - 106-108
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
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From: "Maeve's boy piper" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Quick fix for the Mark III
Date: 10 Mar 2000 21:00:49 -0500

> >You'll still have to cut into the bulb a bit, to compensate for the now
> >shortened hemp-tenon,so you get the same length of tenon in the stock.
> >This works phenomenally well on the Mark III...just use the above
> >mentioned tools.

Well the best fix for those mark III's is too put tape over all the holes
except for the high-A, then you can use it as a bass drone. LOL



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From: "Maeve's boy piper" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Loosing Air!!
Date: 10 Mar 2000 21:06:20 -0500


Zudupiper <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> >If I buy a Ross, will I go from gradeV to gradeI just by buying a
> >Ross?
>

Maeve already has her Ross bag on order. With the amount of playing
she does, her reeds were not lasting very long with a hide bag.

This should solve it, but the way her pipes are sounding now, she'll
be entering gr1 in no time.



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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Loosing Air!!
Date: 10 Mar 2000 21:09:38 -0500


Beginnertunes <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> Hey John! If I buy a Ross, will I go from gradeV to gradeI just by buying
a
> Ross? "I'm ordering it up right now Wallie." "Really Beave?"

Well geeze Billy, first you have to pass GR1, before you get your crayons
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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: John Mitchell is being held hostage!!!!
Date: 10 Mar 2000 21:21:43 -0500


Maeve <[e-mail]> wrote in .
> . . I think I can safely speak for John!!!!

Yea, how can I type with these cuffs on! LOL



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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter
Date: 11 Mar 2000 02:33:06 GMT

On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:08:41 -0000, "Steve White"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Bob Dunsire wrote in message
><[e-mail]>...
>>Then, just to see, I took readings directly in front of the chanter
>>6 inches - 115dB
>>1 ft - 110 dB
>>2 ft. 108dB
>>3 ft. 106 dB
>
>These changes shouldn't be that surprising.  At close range you've got the
>inverse square law ..... ie. the power of the sound wave spreads out in all
>directions so the power falls off by a factor of 4 every time you double
>your distance from the source ...... 115dB to 110dB is, I believe, a fall
>off to 1/4.  As soon as you are more than 1 foot away the reflections in the
>environment start to water it down.  That's my best guess.

That, and the chanter is in fact somewhat directional, and tends to
project toward the front more than back and sides.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter
Date: 11 Mar 2000 02:30:26 GMT

On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:04:41 -0000, "Steve White"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>That's my understanding too.  I've asked the inhabitants of
>alt.sci.physics.acoustics for clarification ... they know their stuff there!
>
>Cheers,
>Steve White
>
>dnimmo wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>>I believe every 3db is a doubling of  sound/power  etc............it is
>hard
>>to wrap ones mind around this initially.............I don't know if sound
>is
>>same as electronics/communications,  but to get a  3db increase in a
>>signal's strength in a radio receiver requires that the power of the
>>transmitter be doubled !
>>David

The other factor is the way the human hear/brain interpret the
frequency spectrum. The amount of "sound power" delivered to the ear
is called "sound pressure level" but on the one hand, it takes less
energy to deliver 100db of spl at 10,000 HZ than it does to boost a
30HZ tone to the same spl. I'm not sure what the exact ratio on that
is, but it's fairly significant. Likewise, the human ear percieves
bass on a different curve than treble. So at 30db, you'd hear a mix
heavy on the treble end, and the bass would be light. Turn the same
mix up to 100db and the bass would be thumping your chest, and the
treble would have dampened off at a certain perceptual point beyond
whch it does not seem much louder than before. That's the
"Fletcher-Munsen curve." From say 100db to 110db, another effect takes
place, which actually figures in all along the increase, and that I
don't know the name for, but at some point the ear begins to dampen
the whole signal and it does that first along the treble end I think,
so even though you double the spl, you won't hear it twice as loud in
many cases, because, particularly toward the threshold of pain, which
I think is 120db, a number of physiological and psychological effects
try to protect the ear, which is why after a long suicide-death-metal
concert you can't hear for shite for hours or your ears may be
ringing.

As far as ear/mic placement goes for these sorts of measurements, I
think spl decreases by the square of the distance. So, you measure a
foot away from a chanter, you may get 110db, another foot a way it
would be 100 db and so forth. In short, it drops off in a hurry, and
sticking your ear right next to a chanter can in fact reach and
surpass the threshhold of pain and do rapid damage. Percussion is even
worse, and the real danger to the ear in practice is the snare drums,
not the pipes.

Royce

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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: horse hair sporan
Date: 10 Mar 2000 19:53:52 -0700

Carefully shampoo it in the shower and blow dry it, and it will look like new.
Comb it out carefully as you blow dry it. I have saved many an old and haggered
sporran this way. Sounds wild, but it works.

Don

LFpiper wrote:

> does anybody know how to clean a horse hair sporan.Also does anybody have any
> tricks to straighten it, mine tends to bend to one side.
>                                                             lee

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From: "Leslie Thomson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Piper needed
Date: 11 Mar 2000 03:51:44 +0100

I make the same offer but from Spain (it's cheaper and nearer).
ach! all this filthy money grubbing capitalistic system

"Hugh Armstrong" <[e-mail]> escribi≤ en el mensaje
news:Iuhy4.15495$[e-mail]...
> OR you could fly me in from canada, put me up in a hotel, does not have to
> be too fancy, and a couple of francs for spending money, and i wont even
> charge you for actually playing at the weding!!! thats on the house!!
>
> TomandSuny <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> news:[e-mail]...
> > >I'm still looking for a piper in Paris, France or nearby.  My son is
> > >getting married May 13 in Paris and they want a piper to play at their
> > >wedding.  Anyone with any information on someone in the area please let
> > >me know.
> > >
> > >Thanks!
> > >
> >
> > A couple of potential leads for you:
> >
> > Peter Hewlett
> > 14, rue Vicq-d'Azir
> > 75010  Paris
> > (last address I had)
> >
> > also try this bagpipe outfitter--
> >
> > Librarie Breizh
> > 10 Rue du Maine
> > 75014  Paris
> > tel:  [phone]
> >
> > Good luck!
>
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From: "Leslie Thomson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Website for bagpipe supplies
Date: 11 Mar 2000 03:59:11 +0100

Yeah, wow, I'm still recovering, my mind feel sucked by a black hole
"Mike Le Boeuf" <[e-mail]> escribi≤ en el mensaje
news:[e-mail]...
> http://www.houseofbagpipes.com
>
> Be carefull not to get lost, its a huge site. Lots to see.
> Mike



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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Discussion (warning: technical)
Date: 11 Mar 2000 03:09:12 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] wrote:

> What you're doing is actually limiting airflow.
>
> The exact same effect can be achieved if a set of stocks were made
that
> looked like inverted practice chanter tops(sort-of).

Could you crudely achieve the same affect by superglueing a flat washer
onto the bag-end of the drone stock?  A washer that has a hole of the
desired diameter?  Or, does there need to be a smoother transistion from
the small hole to the wider opening?


Some drone stocks are made with a slight flare at the bag-end.  What
affect does this have in relation to the topic at hand?  Is flaring done
primarily for another reason?

Pat


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From: "Maeve's boy piper" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) For Gods sake, someone please "help" me!
Date: 10 Mar 2000 22:34:13 -0500

Johnny Mitchell here!

Well here I am in the deep deep South, trapped in a secluded log cabin
with a Mad woman that just luvz the pipes, and no hope for escape.

It's John Fix this, John tune this for me, John play another tune, why are
you stopping!

You can just Imagine, Maeve knitting away in her rocking chair,
and me tethered to the front porch and she gives the leash a tug
when ever she wants to here a tune on the pipes.

And believe me, she likes to hear the pipes a little "too" much.
This is what first aroused my suspicions about her sanity.
No on second thought, it was inviting me over that I first questioned
her sanity, but now I know she is in need of some serious help.

Lindsay, what was that doctors name that helped you?

BTW, Angus is a real set of bagpipes. Their a wonderful old set of
Hendersons with wonderful tone. I just added a cane bass reed to
balance the rich tone of this old pipe.

All kidding aside, it has been a wonderful experience here. It's the
typical friendly pipeband hospitality where ever you go.
Pipe bands are great, where else can you meet so many delightful lunatics.

Why is it that when ever I get drinking with a pipe band, I always end up
joining them. We had a load of laughs down at the local bandhall, but
some how I ended up volunteering for a hot sweaty parade on Saturday.
I think the words had barely passed my lips and I was handed a uniform.

It was a little suspicious that everything was made to fit, like it was
planned
or something. Mauve, long have you been scheming this?

What  a great place this is, I can still smell the aroma of home made bread
and the sound of a hammer dulcimer playing gently in the background.
Mauve is quite a unique character too, she has many talents and she even
cooks, sews and  irons band shirts! ;-)

Right now I'm asking myself, "just why am I returning to Canada again?"








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From: "Ewan A. Macpherson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter
Date: 10 Mar 2000 22:44:02 -0500

Matthew Wood wrote:
>
> 10 dB is a double.  Not 3 dB.

3 dB doubles the signal energy.
10 dB approximately doubles the subjective loudness.

--
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Central Systems Laboratory
Kresge Hearing Research Institute
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From: "Maeve's boy piper" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: John Mitchell is being held hostage!!!!
Date: 10 Mar 2000 23:02:26 -0500


Lindsay Kirkwood <[e-mail]> wrote
> Are you letting him use your loo??BOL Hahaa
> Any oars around?

I forgot to mention Lindsay, the loo flushes quite nicely down here.

They bought the power flush option ;-)




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From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Steadiness and Reed Efficiency
Date: 11 Mar 2000 04:46:37 GMT

>Nice to be able to play outside, eh?

Not to my poor ears.

Playing and tuning inside ( in a room with good acoustics (sp) seems to be much
more rewarding than the same outside.
The good stuff seems to float away. outside. Inside it comes back to you and
you can personaly enjoy it. Outside the folks in earshot enjoy it more.
I play outside 80% of the time here in N. FL USA. I always look forward to
playing inside so I can hear the full range of tone.

Cheers,
Jim.

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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: For Gods sake, someone please "help" me!
Date: 11 Mar 2000 05:38:22 GMT

Maeve's boy piper wrote:
> Johnny Mitchell here!
>
> BTW, Angus is a real set of bagpipes. Their a wonderful old set of
[-snip-]
> All kidding aside, it has been a wonderful experience here. It's the

All kidding aside? Does this mean that Angus is not really a set of bagpipes??


> Mauve, long have you been scheming this?

So she's a color now too?


Andrew

p.s. Teach Maeve your wonderful use of paragraph spacing . . . ;-)
--
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[e-mail]
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From: "Maeve's boy piper" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: For Gods sake, someone please "help" me!
Date: 11 Mar 2000 01:06:36 -0500

Maeve's boy piper <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Johnny Mitchell here!

 No, now it's MAEVE here! I think this computer has developed multiple
personalities over the last few days :) :) :)

> It's John Fix this, John tune this for me, John play another tune, why are
> you stopping!

Uhmmmm . .. . let's see if I have got this right. .. when *I* said, "John,
would you like to go to the beach today?" . . . I seem to remember someone
saying "I really need to get some practice in for this competition that I
have coming up. Can we go home so I can practice?" Hmmmm . .. . .

> BTW, Angus is a real set of bagpipes. Their a wonderful old set of
> Hendersons with wonderful tone. I just added a cane bass reed to
> balance the rich tone of this old pipe.

Silly YOU!!!! Angus is a Sinclair!! And having to pry him from your hands, I
would have thought you would have remembered that!

> All kidding aside, it has been a wonderful experience here. It's the
> typical friendly pipeband hospitality where ever you go.
> Pipe bands are great, where else can you meet so many delightful lunatics.

How sweet of you to say these things! You have been a real joy to have
around the house! I might just have to tear up that ticket of yours! I'm
getting rather used to this "three husbands syndrome"!!!

> Why is it that when ever I get drinking with a pipe band, I always end up
> joining them. We had a load of laughs down at the local bandhall, but
> some how I ended up volunteering for a hot sweaty parade on Saturday.

No ... it seems to me that you volunteered so that you could to the Silicone
Valley gig (a.k.a. Hooters!). The band was smart enough to say that one
could not be done without the other! Wonder how they knew what button to
push ;) :) :) :)

> What  a great place this is, I can still smell the aroma of home made
bread
> and the sound of a hammer dulcimer playing gently in the background.
> Mauve is quite a unique character too, she has many talents and she even
> cooks, sews and  irons band shirts! ;-)

Don't push it, John!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just remember . .. the plane ticket was
purchased with a return for a reason!!!!!!!

> Right now I'm asking myself, "just why am I returning to Canada again?"

Let me remind you . . . "John!! Why did you quit playing!!!! Never mind the
heat stroke! Shut the **** up and PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROTFLOL!!!!!!!
--
Love and Light be with you,
Maeve . . . in sunny Florida!
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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Judging Certification Exams
Date: 08 Mar 2000 13:38:05 -0400


John and/or Lori Gaudet wrote in message
<7bvx4.2720$[e-mail]>...
>Hi all,
>This is a question for any and all persons on this list who has written the
>judging exams for their associations.
>My assoc, is as most, desperate for judges. They are asking me to the sit
>the exam. One part theory, one part aural. My question to the group is
>this..how did you prepare for the exam?
....they haven't even
>told me when the actual exam will be, so I don't even know "how long" I
have
>to prepare...........
>Any and all help is greatly appreciated!
>I really had no thoughts of judging just yet, I'm still competing myself
and
>have two bands to run at competitions, but I feel somewhat compelled to
help
>where I can so I know I am not contributing to the problem but helping
>eleviate it.


Hmm..................You are being asked to sit an exam for which you don't
appear to have any motivation or direction on content and
format..............to do a job that you won't have any time to take on as
you are already over-committed for that time frame...................

Do you really want an answer ?

David



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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Discussion (warning: technical)
Date: 11 Mar 2000 14:59:02 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Rodger A. Cotton) wrote:

> I think the crude effect would work better with a rubber cork that has
a hole
> in it. (such as those found at Homebrew / winemaker shops) I dont
think the
> super glue would hold a bond very well in a wet environment. I have
always
> wondered about this, but never retied my L&M in just so I could try
it.
>
> Rodger

Marine caulk might work, too.  I was just trying to give Dave a simple
example, so he doesn't whip those formulaes on me again.


A cork, eh.  Wouldn't the size of the hole in the cork be constricted as
it is forced into the end of the stock?  Or, isn't the exact size of
that opening real critical?  I can get corks down my blowpipe stock
without taking the bag off, too.

Pat


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From: Fernetta <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Provo SFU Spectacular
Date: 11 Mar 2000 17:21:19 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Beginnertunes) wrote:

> Look for the trailer with a sign that says "iffin the trailers a
rockin, don't
> come knockin..." Just avoid the area, and ignore the Tarzan yells, and
> especially ignore the CHEETAH monkee noises.

Forget Tarzan,it'll be SFU making the windows rattle. 20 years and and 6
kids later I still rock to bagpipe music.

> Look for the drag marks of "his and her walkers" and you'll know you
>found them. (20 years????? Someone shoot me...)
> Scotia Aye!
> Bill

ROCK ON!!!
--
Fernetta

~~~You know you're a piper's wife if:
He spends more time on RMMB than you do.~~~


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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Steadiness and Reed Efficiency
Date: 11 Mar 2000 18:53:08 GMT

>Ideally, you should have drone reeds that allow the drones to be tuned well
>high on the hemp. This will usually require that the reed is tuned high on
>the
>tongue, causing the tongue to resonate in a steady state much quicker than if
>the bridle is kept low down

And takes less air to boot.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Discussion (warning: technical)
Date: 11 Mar 2000 18:25:07 GMT

>A stove bolt is a bolt with a square projection between the end
>of the threaded rod and the head of the bolt. The head of the
>bolt has no groove for a screw driver nor flat sides to be
>turned with a wrench. The bolt is diesgned to fit into a square
>hole (on a cast iron stove), and the nut is put on the threads
>from the other side.
>
>I don't know what Zu is calling a "stove bolt" but he's right
>about it being larger than usual.

Excellent description!  That's exactly what I meant.

And according to my Machinery's Handbook, stove bolts have the biggest heads
obtainable.  But they don't come in metric sizes, which is a pain in the butt.

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: A SCOTTISH SNAP - WHAT IS IT??
Date: 11 Mar 2000 19:00:37 GMT

>Has anyone out there heard of the term Scottish Snap?  If so, what is
>it?

Never in conversation, but in a couple of piping books I have.  It's a fiddle
term and it refers to, I think, a pair of notes in a strathspey played cut-dot
(instead of the more usual dot-cut).

The fiddle has the ability to play the "cut" note louder than the "dotted" one,
and that's the effect of the "Scottish Snap".  But maybe it refers to the
cut-dot rhythm.

I think.

Zu

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From: "Maeve's boy piper" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: John Mitchell is being held hostage!!!!
Date: 10 Mar 2000 21:50:04 -0500


Lindsay Kirkwood <[e-mail]> wrote
> Nurse Dee Ratchet from the sanitarium will pick him up

Thanks Lindz for sorting that out, but I might not need to get picked up!

You're probably going to have to make that call to Atlas Steel for me.
Just tell them that I passed away, but I'll be in as soon as I get better!

BTW!
The store called and said that your order was in for the rubber underwear.
They just wanted know if you wanted your usual one's.
You know, the one's with the flap in the back! LOL



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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Notes from Pipey's Corner: Cuillinn Craft
Date: 11 Mar 2000 20:59:28 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Rodger A. Cotton) wrote:
> Yes, I do believe it is Himself Iaian Sherwood who writes Pipeys
Corner. Quite
> an unusual way for a shopkeeper to Drum Up business... It must be
working for
> him.

In Iain's case I think it works more like a baby throwing a temper
tantrum.  They get alot of attention, too.  Sometimes they even
getted spanked.

Pat


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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Equipment vs ability (was Reeds)
Date: 11 Mar 2000 21:17:14 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:

> So back to my original point (or one of them).  If EVERYBODY had
stocks like
> yours (or reeds like mine), damn near EVERYBODY would be able to blow
steady
> with little effort.

Aren't drone reeds only part of the equation here?  We haven't talked
about one variable.  The chanter reed.  This "air limiting" in the drone
stocks doesn't carry over to the chanter reed and the varied pressures
it can be subjected to.  Don't you still have to have good breath
control in order to blow tone?

Pat


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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bad Service!
Date: 11 Mar 2000 22:08:11 GMT

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:51:48 -0800, piperdoon
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Our band ordered a bass drum from a well known Ontario drum
>shop almost 2 years ago! If weren't so Canadian we'd tell
>them to stick up their #$#! Whatever happened to good
>quality customer service?

Must have been a Premier.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: A SCOTTISH SNAP - WHAT IS IT??
Date: 11 Mar 2000 22:12:02 GMT

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:48:27 -0800, ccc31807
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>, Chris Armstrong
><[e-mail]> wrote:
>>My piping teacher has asked me to ask the NG for assistance in
>defining
>>the term "Scottish Snap." Apperantly is has something to do
>with a
>>musical technique in straspeys.
>>
>>Has anyone out there heard of the term Scottish Snap?  If so,
>what is
>>it?
>
>I don't believe this. A Scottish snap is the ONLY piping
>movement that has entered into general musical culture. It has
>been used extensively, such as in Mendelssohn's Scottish
>Symphony. "Real" musician know it. Why not pipers, or pipe
>teachers? We play it every day, many times a day.
>
>A Scottish snap is a very short note on the beat followed by a
>longer note off the beat, as in a tachum. In extreme cases, it
>can take the form of a very open doubling, birl, slur, and other
>like embellishments. In piobaireachd, whole variations consist
>of nothing but Scottish snaps, such as the thumb and siubhal
>variations in "The Desperate Battle."

All of the latter of which of course, can be mastered in a few months,
inasmuch as the pipes are one of the simplest instruments to learn.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: A SCOTTISH SNAP - WHAT IS IT??
Date: 11 Mar 2000 22:10:03 GMT

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:25:30 GMT, Chris Armstrong
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>My piping teacher has asked me to ask the NG for assistance in defining
>the term "Scottish Snap."

It's the ancient device used to hold the kilt in place.

Royce

(Don't worry about it, it's obsolete now.)

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Equipment vs ability (was Reeds)
Date: 11 Mar 2000 22:14:54 GMT

On 11 Mar 2000 18:46:43 GMT, [e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:

>Do me a favor, though.  Don't start mass-marketing those special stocks until
>after I move up to grade 2.  I need all the help I can get ; )

Or until you test them for chanter intonation, and strike-in ability
with the drones.

Royce

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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tune search
Date: 11 Mar 2000 18:22:56 -0400

Don:  Call 1-800-565-000........NS Tourism and ask them to get it for you...

David

D Robinson wrote in message ...
>I am looking for the pipe setting for "Nova Scotia Nature's Music Nature's
>Song" as played in the tourism commercial.
>Beautiful tune.
>
>Thanks
>Don
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From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Road North - Music
Date: 12 Mar 2000 00:08:12 GMT

Hi Madge,
I just learned it from the CD myself...I could however write it out for you
I'm not sure of the copy right stuff though
If I were you, I would just figure it out by ear...it's pretty simple!
Cheers,
Lori
Madge Taylor wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>Help!!
>I am looking for the sheet music for the tune, "The Road North", a slow
>air, by A. Fraser.  Can anyone out there help me?
>
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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Sharp Sharp Sharp, Partanen III, tying up a man with a very big and very loose end
Date: 12 Mar 2000 00:37:51 GMT

Hey, it's my birthday and I can do anything the hell I want. So I
thought I'd tie up some odds and ends left floating from recent posts.
Oh, you may well wonder how these are connected, but they're linked in
a unusually consistent sort of way so they tend to fall into the
category of the "stock" detractors or detraction techniques of the
Lerwick NG dynasty:


1--Forgot to note on Mitchell's last attempt that he's yet to name his
anonymous personal friend and informer, to whom he apparently keeps
referring so erroneously for his "inside" Lerwick info, as it was
predicted he would do. Likewise, forgot to note that I didn't buy
Gibsons not because I "wasn't an authorized dealer," but I'm not a
dealer at all, I'm a member of a new band that was looking for
chanters and Jerry decided to give me the indirect route as already
noted, which is an unsuitable way to buy "matched" chanters. Also, my
recent praise of the new Kron woodie, isn't coming from "yet another
vendor" claiming it to be better than Sinclair, or the phenolic better
than God's Sinclair, but a guy with an ear and no personal interest in
selling them.

However--historical note: Anyone who wants to buy any Kron products,
particularly chanters or pipes, drop me a line, I'll set up the
relationship, and I will give you a good price on them and you will
*make* me a dealer. I'd be happy to be Kron dealer. I'll jump right
onto the group and let you all know I've made my first sale and then
John can call me a "dealer" all he wants with accuracy. I'll be the
midwestern Kron bargain distributor of all time if he wants. I'll shut
up about other dealers and be a nice boy in the NG, but till then...


2--John Partanen challenged me in personal email, and maybe is
spreading the BS (from what I've heard) that I couldn't have possibly
heard a "Sharp 2000" or words to that effect, so I have no business
criticizing it. As I told him personally, I've tooted every Sharp horn
for the last 5 years including that one. In fact, I've got a box of
half a dozen versions hot off the lathe right now that have been
banging around the house for weeks. This includes the "2000" model in
wood and plastic, as well as a custom made down-pitched version sent
out for the new band I'm in to test. Unfortunately, Sharp refused to
send a down-pitched version or even try to make one when we inquired,
but then one showed up a week too late for us to try out because we'd
already bought. The Sharp product was rejected for the same two
primary reasons I've criticized it all along: too Sharp, and the wood
model is paper thin and positively fragile.

The tone is very good but you have to bring your own can of spray
repellant to keep the neighborhood dogs from pestering you to death
with their howling along beside you. The downpitched version did not
"sing" in the upperhand as well by the way, so a lower-pitched version
would require more tweaks than just moving the holes down. I actually
prefer the high pitched version in comparison.


3--Sherwood's web site continues to flabbergast me. Here's a little
gem from last year, when he was still pretty entertaining and mostly
harmless:

"I agree with Lerwick's assertion in his Pipe Major's Handbook that
tuning is critical to band performance. I
disagree with his methods, however, because he's too 'result-oriented'
without really getting to the bottom of
the matter, the balance between pipes and drums."

Right. I think what we need are more technical or maintenance manuals
that are totally unrelated to producing results. I can think of one
like that if you need a reference Iain, but I see you already sell
that one too. The left turn off to tuning drums and pipes is just bad
writing I suppose, but the funny part follows:


"As the pipe band snare developed, first with the metal-shell drum of
the sixties, to the carbon-fibre drums
played today, the pitch of the drum got higher and the tone thinner.
Compare the size of drum sections today
to bands from thirty years ago and you'll see they've almost doubled."


He forgets to mention that higher pitched chanters with bigger reeds
make more noise so the ratio likewise increased. But here's the
chuckle:


"Tuning a band includes tuning the drums to the pipes- bass to bass
drone, tenor to tenor drones, and snares to
chanter. As the snares got sharper and sharper, the chanter had to be
pitched up to match; otherwise a band
isn't really in tune. Snares are tuned to the high A of the chanter;
perhaps it would be better if they were
tuned to the E; since I'm not a drummer, I can't really answer that
one."


Or you could talk to a drummer before you write this nonsense. Pipe
and drum pitch have evolved and floated entirely independently.
Chanters are not tuned to snares, nor can they be, since the snare
drum is a white-noise generatior and doesn't have an exact pitch.
Chanter pitch in fact made several leaps long before kevlar heads and
massive-lugs and rims shot drum pitch up, and indeed hasn't risen for
about 10 years in spite of increasing drum technology that has even
take corps-style American field drums into the stratosphere.
Furthermore, the "pitch" of the GHB band drum has risen probably an
octave in the last 30 years. Has the chanter? Uh, no, the chanter has
risen about a half a semitone to a semitone.

But there's more Sherwood to be had:

"As to Delrin or Ebony pipes, the tonal difference is considerable,
as are the prices. Ebony 'student sets' have delrin stocks,
blowpipe, and chanter, and the drones have a very strong
tendancy to check. If someone tells you about the 'superiority of
ebony drones' they're blowing smoke through your chanter.
Blackwood has long (and I mean over 200 years) been the
standard of quality for Bagpipes, Oboes, English Horns, Clarinets,..."


Alright, so he's obviously talking about cheap Pakistani "student"
pipes in which case he's talking about "striped ebony," which is ebony
alright, but it's about half the quality of "gaboon" ebony, or in
short second-rate ebony. Good ebony however is another matter so its
all a question of knowing wood, which Sherwood and many of his
manufacturing cohorts and advisors don't apparently. (Which brings to
mind the ironically appropriate rumor that a certain Eastern NA dealer
was recently wondering about the much lighter shipping weights in
Sharp products over another manufacturer, and sent some Sharp wood out
for analysis, and it turned out to be striped ebony, and thus closed
out his relationship with said maker. So far, only a rumor.) Blackwood
has really only been "standard" in the last hundred years, or closer
to 60 years in terms of being the "normal" wood for pipes. All the
classic sets are ebony, or cocus, not "blackwood."


"...So discount anyone who claims that ebony is better. Besides, it
checks. Badly. For those who don't know what that means, it splits
along the grain due to atmospheric changes, particularly major
temperature/humidity fluctuations. I wouldn't own a set of ebony
pipes because there's too much chance of damage."


Here's a quote from "World of Woods in Color":

'Durability,-Ebony is extremely durable.
The billets dry fairly rapidly and well with little degrade and with
small movement in service.
Excellent steam bending properties,very high crushing strength,with
high
stiffness and resistance to shock loads.
63-64 lb./per cubic foot ,Specific Gravity,1.03'


Sherwood again:


"Ebony is
denser and therefore heavier than blackwood, and I fail to see any
advantage of a material that has a built-in morbidity factor."


Morbidity? Whazzetalkin'bout'? There are pipes hundreds of years old,
dozens, scores, hundreds, classic ebony pipes out there having been
continuously played all over the planet. Ebony denser than blackwood?
Blackwood is the second most dense wood in the known universe.
Specific gravity of 1.1-1.3, compared to ebony at 1.03. That's a
no-brainer. Sherwood continues:


"So you're going to spend over a thousand bucks for little Edgar to
frighten the locals. Get over it. If he (or she) is any good, your
neighbourhood piping instructor will tell you if he's ready for a set
of pipes and make a recommendation (Kintails or Glens from me,
of course!). If he's not ready, then flog him with his practice
chanter..."


Don't spend over a thousand bucks on Glen (repros) or Kintails from
Sherwood or anyone else. That's high for even Sharp dealers. Sharp has
been at least until now, the maker of inexpensive, mass-produced pipes
that retail out around 800 bucks with a bag and all the bells and
whistles and that's not bad for the beginner market.

"As far as makers go, there are really only three or four really
top-quality makers in the business today."

And Sharp certainly isn't among them. The Glen line sounds great and
is a very very good sounding set of drones for the money. Even a
bargain. But don't confuse these qualities with "top quality" in
workmaship or materials. They look good and play well and don't cost
much and that's fine for that market. But don't go getting all
grandiose about it.

More Sherwood:

"The rest are only one or
two-man operations that don't really do any volume. If you buy
from one of these makers, you'll (1) wait up to a year to get your
pipes and..."


If that happens to be Sinclair go ahead and wait. Until recently I'd
say the same for Naill's drones. But of course Sinclair is probably
the only maker you have to wait on, oh yeah, and Gibson, but that's
for other reasons. In any case, how can mass-production improve
quality? Listen to the argument: Iain Sherwood is claiming big-shop,
mass-production insures high-quality. The entire history of modern
manufacture suggests otherwise.


"(2) if you have any problem with them, you'll never get
any service for repairs or replacement parts, or you'll wait a year
to get them."

I know this isn't true of at least one "small shop" maker, but I
haven't seen any indication from personal experience that Sharp or
anyone else out there actually improves service on special orders or
small-part replacement, when they get hugely automated and start just
cranking them out and shoving them out the door.


"The old days of Ye Olde Baggpipe Shoppe are long
gone. The worldwide interest in piping has done away with many
of the oldtime single-man makers, because they couldn't do the
overseas trade."


Granted, this is the Sharp & Co. mission statement for the year 2000,
in which they have pledged to produce over 1000 sets. But Henry ford
made a rugged, serviceable automobile on the first assembly line for
similar reasons, and everyone bought one because they could afford it,
and the world became drivers almost overnight. That didn't put
everyone else out of business. That didn't make the Ford better than a
Mercedes or Packard or Rolls. Buy a model T if that's what fits your
budget by all means, but don't pretend it's a Bentley.


"The large makers process orders from all over the world. Some are
of higher quality than others. Some have real ego problems.
Especially English bagpipe makers who shall remain nameless.

I sell pipes made by Sharp & Co. because I believe them to be the
best buy, the best quality, and with the best service of any maker
in business today."


Believe it all you want. The Glen line is a good buy of reasonable
quality. Service seems pretty typical and dependent on your
distributor's whininess. But don't go claiming "best quality" unless
you qualify that with "for the price."


"Our new pipe chanters are winning solo and
band competitions consistently."


I don't know where. In Scotland of course, they'll play lower in pitch
than here, which still makes them brighter over there but not as
dogwhistly, so maybe it's in the Scottish grades below 1. At least
Jeryy Gibson has a history of wins and a load of big bands who've
played his chanters.


"Our drones have received rave
reviews by everyone who plays them."


Of the Glen line this may be true. Of the Drumran line, no, they've
been good, but not "rave" drones. Of the Kintail, these over the many
many years they have been in and out of production, have ranged from
good, to very good, to constipated and uncooperative, hard-to-reed,
and unstable.


"I stand behind the product."


And use it as a shield to fend off rotting tomatoes? I don't really
mean that of course, but in light of all the above gibberish, is this
the guy you all would really trust to rate *me* or for that matter CE
Kron or my opinion of that or any other maker? I mean, if Sherwood and
Partanen want to promote the Sharp 2000 in North America as the
greatest chanter for the band market that ever hit, you have to ask
yourself seriously on what they base this assertion, since Sherwood
for one obviously knows bugger-all about bands or the instrument, and
he seems to base his credibility on Partanen as his instructor, so
what does that imply? As for me, show me a band that bought them here
and plays them in grade 3 or 2, and let me talk to the PM. I mean,
I've seen and heard the comments of such PM who didn't buy. I'm not
guessing.


Royce


And now, as usual, too lazy to proofread, I'm off the the movies.



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From: "Jean Gould" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) valve in blowpipe
Date: 12 Mar 2000 01:36:00 GMT

Hi there group,

   I have a question.  When my bag is all corked off except the blowpipe and
I inflate the bag, air starts to hiss out the blowpipe, does this mean the
valve is bad, and or not doing it's job correctly?

  What are your suggestions for the best valve, and why..


            Thanks,    Jean



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From: [e-mail] (Rojo2G)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-shirt slogan contest
Date: 12 Mar 2000 01:59:34 GMT

>Suggestions?  The floor is open.

My parents went to Scotland
and all I got was this bagpipe!

?
Its been a slow day

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From: Don Robertson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: valve in blowpipe
Date: 11 Mar 2000 18:44:20 -0800

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
Are you using a Lil Mac ? If so check to see if the little flapper hasn't
curled. If it has sometimes you can reverse them. If your using a leather
(why ?) check to see if it hasn't dried out. Oh, and the Lil Mac will sometimes
leak when it gets too wet. Now, there may be a bit of leaking because of
the extra pressure of the bag with the stocks corked up. However, I get
a little leaking all the time anyway, just as long as it's not gushing
out.
<p>Jean Gould wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Hi there group,
<p>   I have a question.  When my bag is all corked off
except the blowpipe and
<br>I inflate the bag, air starts to hiss out the blowpipe, does this mean
the
<br>valve is bad, and or not doing it's job correctly?
<p>  What are your suggestions for the best valve, and why..
<p>            Thanks,
Jean</blockquote>
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From: Don Robertson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Request for assistance with a "SCOTTISH SNAP" - WHAT IS IT??
Date: 11 Mar 2000 18:38:54 -0800

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<html>
Hi, I heard that term used a long time ago. If my memory serves me right,
sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it does. The "snap" has to do with the
accenting of the first and third beats in a Strathspey. In playing they
are given just a little extra time on the beat giving the tune a sense
of "lift" in the tune. I think that's right. But don't hold me to it.
<br>Cheers
<br>Don
<p>Chris Armstrong wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>My piping teacher has asked me to ask the NG for
assistance in defining
<br>the term "Scottish Snap." Apperantly is has something to do with a
<br>musical technique in straspeys.
<p>Has anyone out there heard of the term Scottish Snap?  If so, what
is
<br>it?
<p>I will greatly appreciate any assistance.
<br>Chris Armstrong
<br>Calgary International Airport Pipe Band</blockquote>
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From: "Steve White" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter
Date: 10 Mar 2000 00:22:44 -0000

Now I know I shouldn't but I still find this quite startling.  There's a 3dB
difference between beginner & G3 and between G3 and G1. That's a hell of a
difference!  Is it down to having the lung power to drive a good set of
reeds?  Excellent thread.
Cheers,
Steve White


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>Beginner (easy chanter reed)  - big rooms -
>from the front - 102dB
>G3 (med / hard chanter) - big rooms (three) -
>front - 105 to 106 dB
>G1 - (med hard chanter) - big rooms -
>front - 106-108




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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Equipment vs ability (was Reeds)
Date: 12 Mar 2000 04:42:22 GMT

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:47:37 -0500, madman <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>Royce Lerwick wrote:
>>
>> On 11 Mar 2000 18:46:43 GMT, [e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:
>>
>> >Do me a favor, though.  Don't start mass-marketing those special stocks until
>> >after I move up to grade 2.  I need all the help I can get ; )
>>
>> Or until you test them for chanter intonation, and strike-in ability
>> with the drones.
>>
>> Royce
>
>Sorry Lerwick,but the guys who own those stocks could bury your arse
>with their pipes still in the case.

Yeah, but could they write about the experience as well as I do?

>And who said anything about chanter stocks anyways,we're talking about
>drone stocks,Mr. wise-ass.

Seems to me the chief advantage would be in the chanter stock, as with
Mark Lee's reeds anyway, steadiness isn't much of a problem.
>
>(strike-in is impeccable)

Alright, so explain this then, wouldn't this constriction in the
stock, in order for it to act as a regulator, fundamentally require a
higher operating pressure? Or in other words, in order to "limit"
fluctiation, it would serve as a damper *only* if the average pressure
ahead of the damper were higher than the "steady" pressure making it
to the reed. If the airflow were exactly meeting supply, there would
be no restriction, and no damping effect. Or again, the principle
works because you're cranking up pressure ahead of the restriction,
and when excess pressure is produced, the flow rate through the
restriction buffers the overblowing from having a direct effect on the
reed? If the reed were light, there would be less regulation, and if
the reed were heavy, there would be more. In order to regulate a
lighter reed, you'd need a smaller orifice (no pun intended but
enjoyed anyway) which would be a major gut-check for a much harder
reed in the same stock?

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Titles
Date: 12 Mar 2000 04:25:05 GMT

>John Eric Partanen, Phd Professional Piper. 43 years of experience!



Couldn't help but chuckle. From Sherwood's web again. Not that maybe
John had anything to do with it, but since I used to give Lori Gaudet
the ribbing for putting her "North American Champion Grade II PM" sig
on her posts some years back, I thought I'd at least ask for
clarification on whether John is a "PhD Professional Piper," or if
he's got a PhD, and plays bagpipes in the professional class. Lori at
least had the title. I'm sure we'll be able to rely on this sort or
accuracy in Sherwood/Partanen's reporting of the big COMPADA news
around the continent, which of course will be limited to users of
Sharp and Co products.

Which reminds me, I wonder, does John Partanen play Sharp and Co
products, or has he played them in his rise to his high solo status in
the WUSPBA? Is that Sharp 2000 he's so highly recommended for the
bandsman been skyrocketing him into solo heights as well? Is that a
set of Kintails on his shoulder out there on the boards?

Curious minds want to know.

Royce

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From: "Maeve's piper boy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Sharp Sharp Sharp, Partanen III, tying up a man with a very big and very loose end
Date: 11 Mar 2000 23:46:54 -0500

Royce Lerwick <[e-mail]> wrote in >
> 1--Forgot to note on Mitchell's last attempt that he's yet to name his
> anonymous personal friend and informer,

Yea, just like your anonymous sources at the Worlds Competition!

> predicted he would do. Likewise, forgot to note that I didn't buy
> Gibsons not because I "wasn't an authorized dealer," but I'm not a
> dealer at all

So why bother phoning Jerry Gibson And demanding the
wholesale price of his chanters. It's pretty bad when you
try to make money off your own band mates.






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From: "Maeve's piper boy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Sharp Sharp Sharp, Partanen III, tying up a man with a very big and very loose end
Date: 11 Mar 2000 23:56:34 -0500


Royce Lerwick <[e-mail]> wrote in
> *make* me a dealer. I'd be happy to be Kron dealer. I'll jump right
> onto the group and let you all know I've made my first sale and then
> John can call me a "dealer" all he wants with accuracy. I'll be the
> midwestern Kron bargain distributor of all time if he wants.

Yea, I can hear it now, "attention K-mart shoppers"

Unfortunately Royce hasn't clued into the needs of today's pipebands.
Today's bands are looking for products that produce quality sound.
Their not looking for bargain basement garbage!

BTW K-mart shoppers, you can find Royce's CD in the clearance
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From: "Maeve's piper boy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Uist & Barra Contest
Date: 11 Mar 2000 23:59:36 -0500


Iain Speirs <[e-mail]> wrote in >
> Piobaireachd
>
> 1 Roddy MacLeod
> 2 Willie MacCallum
> 3 Stuart Shedden
> 4 Iain Speirs
> 5 Gordon Walker.

Iain, you finally made the prize list!
Must be the result of all that good band playing recently. ;-0



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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: For Gods sake, someone please "help" me!
Date: 12 Mar 2000 00:14:06 -0500


ccc31807 <[e-mail]> wrote in
> Just wondering which part of your anatomy the leash is tethered
> to.

Why, the biggest part of course! <wide G>




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From: "Maeve's piper boy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Titles
Date: 12 Mar 2000 00:40:05 -0500


Royce Lerwick <[e-mail]> wrote in >
> Curious minds want to know.
>
> Royce

Just curious PM Lerwick, what band were you ever a PM of,
and at what relevant grade were they in?

By relevant, I mean who would they have beaten in the world today?



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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Drone reed problem
Date: 11 Mar 2000 22:58:19 -0700


I have a Ez drone tennor that started acting up today and nothing seems
to fix it any ideas??? It either double tones back and forth or shuts
off. Dosen't seem to be any middle ground.

Don
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From: "Maeve's piper boy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Drone reed problem
Date: 12 Mar 2000 01:30:27 -0500


sdon <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> I have a Ez drone tennor that started acting up today and nothing seems
> to fix it any ideas??? It either double tones back and forth or shuts
> off. Dosen't seem to be any middle ground.

Alot depends on where the tenor drone is tuning.
if it's too high on the tuning pin, then it acts up and
shuts off.

First, move it to the edge of the hemp, and see if it's
tuning sharp or flat, but it's better if the tuning screw
is all the way out. If it's still tuning too sharp, then pull
the bridle slightly back.

Hope this Helps

cheers

John




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From: "Robert Low" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Scarce of Fishing
Date: 12 Mar 2000 09:37:01 -0000

I've been asked by a former pupil (who now lives in New Jersey - I live in
England) to teach him "Scarce of Fishing" over the Net. I've not played this
before - before I dive into Kilberry and the Piob Society Ms can anybody
recommend a good recording of it?

Bob Low



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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Equipment vs ability (was Reeds)
Date: 12 Mar 2000 15:21:42 GMT

>Aren't drone reeds only part of the equation here?  We haven't talked
>about one variable.  The chanter reed.  This "air limiting" in the drone
>stocks doesn't carry over to the chanter reed and the varied pressures
>it can be subjected to.  Don't you still have to have good breath
>control in order to blow tone?

Good point.  The "air limiting" that goes on with the drones has a couple of
major benefits.  First, you can step up at LEAST a half-strength in chanter
reed and STILL use less air than before.

Second, the bag becomes very firm.  More like a slightly over-ripe pumpkin than
a football.  As a result, you really use your arm to drive the pipes and
breathing becomes almost secondary.

It's almost impossible NOT to blow steady with a setup like this.

Assuming you know the basics of blowing and squeezing and not overblowing the
top hand.

Zu



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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Equipment vs ability (was Reeds)
Date: 12 Mar 2000 15:23:36 GMT

>And who said anything about chanter stocks anyways,we're talking about
>drone stocks,Mr. wise-ass.
>
>(strike-in is impeccable)

I have a lazy man's strike-in, but it's impeccable too with the bighead reeds.

And it takes a major effort to overblow enough to shut the drones down.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Sharp Sharp Sharp, Partanen III, tying up a man with a very big and very loose end
Date: 12 Mar 2000 15:49:49 GMT

FWIW.  I like reading well-written stuff.  I like to read Royce, I like to read
Iain's Pipey's Corner, and a few others.

This doesn't mean I believe everything I read, nor do I believe anybody's
giving consciously bad advice.  They're just writing from their own
perspectives.  I find it entertaining, because not many people can write very
well.

Pipey's Corner is an editorial, let's not forget that.  Just like a newspaper
editorial, it has some basis in fact, and then the rest of it is slanted the
way the writer wants to slant it.

Royce has less of an axe to grind.

They both have some good ideas.

I like to read them both.  The ideass that I think are good, I consider
adopting.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Equipment vs ability (was Reeds)
Date: 12 Mar 2000 15:34:31 GMT

>Yeah, but could they write about the experience as well as I do?

No.  That's why we keep you around ; )

>Seems to me the chief advantage would be in the chanter stock, as with
>Mark Lee's reeds anyway, steadiness isn't much of a problem.

Air efficiency.

>Alright, so explain this then, wouldn't this constriction in the
>stock, in order for it to act as a regulator, fundamentally require a
>higher operating pressure?

When I changed to the stove bolts (from the original Wygent configuration),
drone tone got sharper with all other things being equal.  So sharp, in fact,
that the stove bolts I use are a minimum of 1" long and in some cases as long
as 1-3/4".  Had to do this to keep the drone tops tuning on the pins.  I don't
know if there's a correlation between pressure and pitch, so I don't know if
this helps answer the question.

>Or again, the principle
>works because you're cranking up pressure ahead of the restriction,
>and when excess pressure is produced, the flow rate through the
>restriction buffers the overblowing from having a direct effect on the
>reed?

I think so.  But you also have to make a conscious effort to overblow, because
the "delta" somehow gets negated.  I tried to overblow and shut off my drone
reeds, and I was able to, but the overall tone went horribly coarse, and then 2
drones shut off at once, followed almost immediately by the third.  The chanter
alone then got all crappy sounding and gurgly from top to bottom hand, probably
because of the greater pressure now available to drive it.

>In order to regulate a
>lighter reed, you'd need a smaller orifice (no pun intended but
>enjoyed anyway) which would be a major gut-check for a much harder
>reed in the same stock?
>

You're still talking about the chanter stock.  I meant drones.

Zu

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From: "Jean Gould" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: valve in blowpipe
Date: 12 Mar 2000 15:57:45 GMT

Hi there,

   A little more info on my valve, it is the rubber Naill valve, thanks for
the info so far,

                Jean
Jean Gould wrote in message
<4wCy4.6151$[e-mail]>...
>Hi there group,
>
>   I have a question.  When my bag is all corked off except the blowpipe
and
>I inflate the bag, air starts to hiss out the blowpipe, does this mean the
>valve is bad, and or not doing it's job correctly?
>
>  What are your suggestions for the best valve, and why..
>
>
>            Thanks,    Jean
>
>



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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Horrid CD: Liner Notes?
Date: 12 Mar 2000 15:58:44 GMT

I have a CD called "Bagpipes and Drums of Scotland".  It's by Laserlight
Digital/ international passport.  The local supermarket was selling them for
about $1.99 a few years ago.

Anyhow.  I was listening to it yesterday because I was in the mood for some
trad pipe band music.  The recording quality is fair to poor, and from the
sounds of the pipes and drums some of the tracks must be pretty old.

But some of the chunes were pretty good.

The liner notes are hosed, incomplete, and wrong.  For instance, track 4 is
"Pio Braireachd" (actually it's the Desparate Battle, or part of it).

Does anybody know what the actual tunes played are?  Particularly the rest of
the MSR that starts with "Conund Rum" (sic)?

Thanks,

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Drone reed problem
Date: 12 Mar 2000 16:06:20 GMT

>I have a Ez drone tennor that started acting up today and nothing seems
>to fix it any ideas??? It either double tones back and forth or shuts
>off. Dosen't seem to be any middle ground.

That happened to one of my Zu reeds a couple weeks ago.  I slid the bridle off,
gave the tongue a good 45 degree bend in its original location, and put the
bridle back on.  Works like a champ now.

The reed had become too marginally-adjusted, so it was very close to shutting
off and being unstable.

Zu

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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scotch
Date: 12 Mar 2000 09:43:46 -0900

Pie Eyed Piper wrote:

> I decided to make a list of the scotches in this thread and try a few of the ones
> that were mentioned and compare.  Here are my unenlightened results.  I tried
> MacAllan, Oban, Glenmorangie and Highland Park.  I really wanted to try Lagavulin
> but the pub I went to was out.  I  have to admit they are all good but:
>
> 1) MacAllan -- very good smokey flavour, but not as smooth as I would like

I know that beauty (or smoothness) is in the eye (or palate) of the beholder, but you
would find very few Scotch Whisky experts who would argue that The MacAllan is not
_THE_ smoothest single malt out there - too smooth, in fact, for those who prefer a
bit of fire in their dram.  I had the opportunity to try a dram of the 25 year old
MacAllan, and it was so smooth that it was actually rather uninteresting.  This very
smoothness led to The MacAllan becoming the preferred Scotch of Yuppies during the big
explosion in Scotch Whisky popularity a few years ago, which explains the ridiculous
increase in price over the past three years.  Prices seem to be gradually coming down
a bit; I recently found the 18 year old MacAllan for just over $60.00 U.S.

Alas, The MacAllan as we know and love it is soon to go the way of the Dodo.  The
company was sold to Japanese investors a few years ago; the new management
immemdiately fired half of their tasters, and began ramping up for greatly increased
production.  My advice would be to buy now, and put some away for the future, as it
seems highly unlikely that the quality of the whisky will remain unchanged.  Hell, buy
a cask if you're rich enough...

>
> 2) Oban -- Very smooth, good taste but not as flavourful as the MacAllan
> 3) Glenmorangie -- I would put it somewhere between the taste and flavour of both
> of the above.  Really didn't like it at first but it got better with every sip
>
> 4) Highland Park -- The grand winner of the day. Nice smell, Very good taste and
> smooth as silk.
>
> To put them in order,  1) Highland Park, 2) MacAllan 3) Oban 4) Glenmorangie.

I would rate them as follows:

    1.  The MacAllan
    2.  Highland Park
    3.  Oban
    4.  Glenmorangie

Highland Park is unusual in that it is distilled on the Orkney Islands.  It has an
interesting quality of grass, or new-mown hay in the nose.  I agree that it is a
lovely Scotch.

You neglected to sample any of the Lowland Scotches, or the Islay or Skye Scotches.
For the real peat reek, I prefer Talisker.  Lagavulin has too much iodine for my
taste, although those who like it tend to be quite fanatical about it.

> My roommate was telling me that he would switch Macallan and Oban but we did agree
> that they were all good.
>
> Jim

No argument there!

Cheers,

Michael


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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Horrid CD: Liner Notes?
Date: 12 Mar 2000 09:55:42 -0900

Zudupiper wrote:

> I have a CD called "Bagpipes and Drums of Scotland".  It's by Laserlight
> Digital/ international passport.  The local supermarket was selling them for
> about $1.99 a few years ago.
>
> Anyhow.  I was listening to it yesterday because I was in the mood for some
> trad pipe band music.  The recording quality is fair to poor, and from the
> sounds of the pipes and drums some of the tracks must be pretty old.
>
> But some of the chunes were pretty good.
>
> The liner notes are hosed, incomplete, and wrong.  For instance, track 4 is
> "Pio Braireachd" (actually it's the Desparate Battle, or part of it).
>
> Does anybody know what the actual tunes played are?  Particularly the rest of
> the MSR that starts with "Conund Rum" (sic)?

Zu,

I have the same CD, and particularly like the Strathspey in the MSR.  I haven't
had any luck identifying it though...I'll let you know if I figure out what it
is...do you recognize the tune on track 12, labelled "reveille"?

Incidentally, I notice on my liner notes that the band is the Gordon
Highlanders.   I'm guessing it was recorded sometime during the seventies, as the
CD opens with Amazing Grace, and the drums sound like old style snares.
Personally, I listen to this more than I would have thought, as it does have that
real old-timey sound.

Regards,

Michael





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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Old Pipe Band Recordings
Date: 12 Mar 2000 10:19:10 -0900

Zu's post got me thinking about old recordings of pipe bands.

Does anyone out there have a copy of the 1942 Beltona records recording
of the Scots Guards Training Btn.?  Long shot, I know, but who can tell
what's lurking in people's closets out there.  I like to get a copy for
the Pater, who served with the Scots Guards 1942-44, and who has a fine
contempt for modern pipe bands (he once described modern drummers as
looking "like somebody eating their dinner - a pizza!"

Thanks,

Michael


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From: [e-mail] (Iain Cameron)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Request for assistance with a "SCOTTISH SNAP" - WHAT IS IT??
Date: 12 Mar 2000 21:27:24 GMT

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:38:54 -0800, Don Robertson <[e-mail]> wrote:

><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
><html>
>Hi, I heard that term used a long time ago. If my memory serves me right,
>sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it does. The "snap" has to do with the
>accenting of the first and third beats in a Strathspey. In playing they
>are given just a little extra time on the beat giving the tune a sense
>of "lift" in the tune. I think that's right. But don't hold me to it.
><br>Cheers
><br>Don
><p>Chris Armstrong wrote:
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>My piping teacher has asked me to ask the NG for
>assistance in defining
><br>the term "Scottish Snap." Apperantly is has something to do with a
><br>musical technique in straspeys.
><p>Has anyone out there heard of the term Scottish Snap?  If so, what
>is
><br>it?
><p>I will greatly appreciate any assistance.
><br>Chris Armstrong
><br>Calgary International Airport Pipe Band</blockquote>
></html>
>
>
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    "This is the rhythmic figure of a semi-quaver followed by a dotted quaver.  It is
    particularly characteristic, and is one of the staple rhythms of the Strathspey; but it
    appears in every form of Scots music."

Iain Cameron

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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Blowpipe Valves: General discussion
Date: 12 Mar 2000 21:36:04 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  Shawn Husk <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Here's some general discussion on blowpipe valves and
> my experience with them.
>
> Little Mac.
>
>..Some common gripes about this valve are:
> #1 it's restrictive ie. the diameter of the hole in the
> valve is too small thus you get less air into the bag
> than you might be used to.

What I've found is that the blowpipe, on average, is more restrictive
than the Lil'Mac.  I've bored out more than one blowpipe and mouthpiece
to match the diameter of the valve.



> Big Air Max from Angus Kyle
> (http://plaza.v-wave.com/piper/)
>
> This is just like a little mac valve only much bigger.
> I've used this valve myself and was very happy with it.
> It's plug and play too and looks just like a little mac
> only the hole diameter is much larger.
> He charges $12 CND.

This must be similar to the Cushing "Bore Mhor" valve.


Pat


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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-shirt slogan contest
Date: 12 Mar 2000 23:05:06 GMT

BostonPiper wrote:
> "Bagpipe Players do it with Amazing Grace"


How about:

"Pipers do it with a thick skinned bag."

-or-

"Pipers do it with a bag full of hot air."


These should be good for the wives . . .

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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Black Pipe Cords and Pipe Bags
Date: 09 Mar 2000 05:00:01 GMT

Or just make your own that's what I did. Hit the fabric store (bag
material and fringe), the curtain shop (cord and tassels). We found it
doesn't really save you much, but you get good quality and EXACTLY what
you want as far as colors, etc.

Andrew
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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-shirt slogan contest
Date: 13 Mar 2000 00:17:54 GMT

As is traditional with T-shirt slogans, we are caught between the Scylla and
Charybdis of tasteless and lameness.

hoping for something better....

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Horrid CD: Liner Notes?
Date: 13 Mar 2000 00:09:25 GMT

>I listened to the MSR and I don't know what  the S & R are.  The are good
>tunes
>though.  I'd be interested in their titles as well.

That has to be a pretty damn good band (for the era) to be playing Conundrum
like that.  And the s/r too.  Everybody's tophand is off.  Weird that there are
no drums.

I do like the sound of the older low-pitched drums.  Is that what pipe bands
from the 60's or 70's sounded like?  Even the good ones?  Eeek.

I wouldn't bet on everything being the Gordon Highlanders though.  The piper on
the front isn't wearaing anything Gordon.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Horrid CD: Liner Notes?
Date: 13 Mar 2000 00:03:42 GMT

>.do you recognize the tune on track 12, labelled "reveille"?

A strange version of the Crimean Reveille.  It's actually a set of about 6 or 8
chunes.  the music is in one of the QOH books.  Sodgers' Return is in there,
along with Granny Duncan and some other tunes.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Blowpipe Valves: General discussion
Date: 13 Mar 2000 00:15:46 GMT

>What I've found is that the blowpipe, on average, is more restrictive
>than the Lil'Mac.  I've bored out more than one blowpipe and mouthpiece
>to match the diameter of the valve.

Right.  But once you wise up and order or overdrill a max-diameter blowpipe/
mouthpiece, the Lil Mac is the bottleneck.

So I changed to a flapper valve, first the Merrick, then couldn't seem to get
them or good substitutes. Tried the leather and it's crap, so now I make my own
out of bicycle inner tubes using the Merrick principle.

Zu

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Horrid CD: Liner Notes?
Date: 13 Mar 2000 02:04:36 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:
> I have a CD called "Bagpipes and Drums of Scotland".  It's by
> Laserlight Digital/ international passport.  The local supermarket
> was selling them for about $1.99 a few years ago.
>
> Anyhow.  I was listening to it yesterday because I was in the mood
> for some trad pipe band music.  The recording quality is fair to
> poor, and from the sounds of the pipes and drums some of the tracks
> must be pretty old.
>
> But some of the chunes were pretty good.
>
> The liner notes are hosed, incomplete, and wrong.  For instance,
> track 4 is
> "Pio Braireachd" (actually it's the Desparate Battle, or part of it).
>
> Does anybody know what the actual tunes played are?  Particularly the
> rest of the MSR that starts with "Conund Rum" (sic)?
>

I can't identify all of the tunes on the CD (and I haven't listened to
all of the tracks .... and of these tracks I don't have the patience to
listen to them enough times to write down the notes and go through all
of my books to try to find the tunes) but here are a few:

Track 3:  My Home/Green Hills of Tyrol

Track 5:  Cock of the North

Track 7:  Colonel Robertson/???/I Am a Young Man (That Lived With My
          Mother)/???/Rock and Wee Pickle Tow/Wooed and Married and A'

Track 8:  (When the) Battle's O'er/Magersfontein/Heroes of Vittoria

Track 9:  Conundrum/Dornie Ferry/Colonel MacLeod/???

Track 10: Atholl Highlanders/Inverness Gathering/Back of Benachie/
          Black Bear/Brown Haired Maiden/Bonnie Dundee

I'd be moderately interested if anyone can identify the other 6/8
marches on Track 7;  I'm not quite sure how many tunes are in the gaps
marked by ???.  It sounds like one tune in each case but I can't be
sure that it isn't just a couple of tunes with similar patterns.

Bruce C. Wright


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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Horrid CD: Liner Notes?
Date: 13 Mar 2000 02:41:32 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:
> >.do you recognize the tune on track 12, labelled "reveille"?
>
> A strange version of the Crimean Reveille.  It's actually a set of
> about 6 or 8 chunes.  the music is in one of the QOH books.
> Sodgers' Return is in there, along with Granny Duncan and some other
> tunes.

Each of the Regiments in the Crimean War had their own version of the
Crimean Reveille.  They shared many (but usually not all) of the same
tunes.  The structure, as far as I know, was always a set of tunes in
slow time followed by another set in quick time.

I did go back and took the time to give a listen to that track, and the
tunes are all familiar to me so it wasn't hard to get a complete list:

Track 12:  Chisholm Castle (aka Erchless Castle, aka Jessie Chisholm)/
           Granny Duncan/Fingal's Weeping/Granny Duncan/Greenwood Side/
           Chisholm Castle (reprise in quick time).

This is the same version of the Crimean Reveille as that given in the
Gordon Highlanders Book I.

Bruce C. Wright


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From: Richard Mao <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Discussion (warning: technical)
Date: 12 Mar 2000 21:47:35 -0500


venturi effect maybe?


Zudupiper wrote:

> >Yo, like Zu, T-shirt dude:
> >Watcha mean by "coat"---with wat dude? And, like, dude, wat's a "stove bolt"?
>
> Coat means coated with liquid rubber, the stuff that you can dip tool handles
> in to get a nice rubber grip.
>
> A stove bolt is a round-headed bolt or screw (the distinction is blurry) that
> has a whopping huge head with no groove in it.  The head is bigger than the
> head of a round-headed bolt, which was my first choice.  Check it out next time
> you're at the hardware store.
>
> >Also, how does the reduced air passageway from the bag to the reed
> >affect drone volume?
>
> Again, this isn't intuitive at all.  I expected the sound to be muffled, but
> just the reverse is true.  Slightly increased volume for much less air, and I
> found the quality/ timbre of the sound to be more "thick" or "dense".  More
> ringing, more richness, more steadiness.
>
> Zu


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From: Richard Mao <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Marching....
Date: 12 Mar 2000 21:52:46 -0500


Hmm... I'd describe it in a couple of ways....

The first beat on the first full measure.... Left foot...

Some tunes have a pickup note or couple of notes.  ... prior to the first full
bar.. hopefully you are not starting from a standing start with this type of tune
(usually you are already marching because of the two three beat rolls...left foot
on the first beat of first roll).... but the pick up notes generally coincide with
the right foot hitting the ground ... if you are already in full march..

If you "pulse ...pulse....pulse" with the sounding of "right....quick....march"....
the next pulse should be your left foot march out...


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Zudupiper wrote:

> >Start on the ____________ foot
>
> Left
>
> >End on the _____________ foot
> >
>
> Right, unless you're playing tunes in 3/4 or 9/8 time.
>
> >What should I know for basic Pipe Major commands
>
> "By the right, quick march" is what is usually used to get you started, and you
> generally stop playing at a predetermined point (end of a set, etc).
>
> Marching takes some getting used to.  The problem is, that at your level of
> development, you can't play the tunes anywhere near fast enough to march to
> comfortably.  I'm teaching a student to march about now, and I wound up playing
> a tune and marching to it, and he first started tapping his foot, then
> following along behind me.  That's probably the best way, but I'm teaching him
> solo competition-style marching, not street marching.  Street marching is much
> easier.
>
> Zu


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From: Richard Mao <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Steadiness and Reed Efficiency
Date: 12 Mar 2000 22:05:53 -0500


But would you feel more air resistance? and flow rate through the drone reed? thus
affecting pitch... and haven't you already adjusted the drone reed tongue to take
a minimum amount of air?

Isn't lessening air resistance what we wanted to do with the larger blowstick
diameters and valves...

Sheesh..

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Zudupiper wrote:

> >Ideally, you should have drone reeds that allow the drones to be tuned well
> >high on the hemp. This will usually require that the reed is tuned high on
> >the
> >tongue, causing the tongue to resonate in a steady state much quicker than if
> >the bridle is kept low down
>
> And takes less air to boot.
>
> Zu


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From: Richard Mao <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Blowpipe Valves: General discussion
Date: 12 Mar 2000 22:24:08 -0500


Hi Shawn and all..

Thanks, Shawn, for the survey...

the only thing I would add is that the large diameter rubber
valves have "blown through" for my friends (possibly due to
stronger reeds requiring more backpressure)... such that I
am leery of getting one.

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Shawn Husk wrote:

> Here's some general discussion on blowpipe valves and
> my experience with them.
>
> <snipped>
>
> Big Air Max from Angus Kyle
> (http://plaza.v-wave.com/piper/)
>
> This is just like a little mac valve only much bigger.
> I've used this valve myself and was very happy with it.
> It's plug and play too and looks just like a little mac
> only the hole diameter is much larger.
> He charges $12 CND.
>
> <snipped>
>
> Shawn


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From: Richard Mao <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Equipment vs ability (was Reeds)
Date: 12 Mar 2000 22:29:51 -0500


Hi...

I admit I've been reading fast and lightly... I don't understand drone reeds
shutting down (which is mainly a matter of pressure not flow...I think)... being
harder to shut down with the decreased cross sectional open area made due to the
stoppage of the larger heads...

If anything... if you got the decreased diameter right down to the drone reed
itself I would think you get greater pressure due to the hydraulic effect... all
other factors being equal, of course.

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Zudupiper wrote:

> >And who said anything about chanter stocks anyways,we're talking about
> >drone stocks,Mr. wise-ass.
> >
> >(strike-in is impeccable)
>
> I have a lazy man's strike-in, but it's impeccable too with the bighead reeds.
>
> And it takes a major effort to overblow enough to shut the drones down.
>
> Zu


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From: Richard Mao <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scotch...Mac 18
Date: 12 Mar 2000 22:34:22 -0500


Seen ..adapted from... a recent cartoon...

Bartender: you want Scotch?... what year would you like...

John replies... Whaddya mean, what year? I WANT IT NOW!

Cheers

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Phillip Shields wrote:

> Macallan has been mentioned a lot.  No question, the 18 is the best single out there,
> in my opinion.

<snipped>


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From: Richard Mao <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Request for assistance with a "SCOTTISH SNAP" - WHAT IS IT??
Date: 12 Mar 2000 22:41:25 -0500


Hi... my understanding...

Scottish snap is the habit of putting a sixteenth-dotted eighth combo on many of the beats of a
typical 4/4 dance kind of tune... often the primary beat...i.e. the short note on the beat

Further, it is the habit of cutting the hell  out (bouncing off) of the sixteenth note such that the
ratio in actual performance is much closer to 1 to 5 as opposed to the mathematical 1 to 3 called for
by the music.

hope this helps.

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Iain Cameron wrote:

> <snipped)
>
>         "This is the rhythmic figure of a semi-quaver followed by a dotted quaver.  It is
>         particularly characteristic, and is one of the staple rhythms of the Strathspey; but it
>         appears in every form of Scots music."
>
> Iain Cameron


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From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Irish Rangers Uniforms
Date: 13 Mar 2000 04:25:43 GMT

Hi Group,
I am looking for pictures of the Irish Rangers 'Pipers' uniforms.
Or if anyone has an Irish Pipers tunic that they might sell, please let
me know.
I am looking for a green Irish Tunic, and a Cape.
I would like to add on to my bands uniform.
Thanks,
PM Mike LeBoeuf

Irish Heritage Pipe Band
     San Francisco

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Horrid CD: Liner Notes?
Date: 13 Mar 2000 04:43:10 GMT

In article <8ahibg$t5j$[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] wrote:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
>   [e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:
> > I have a CD called "Bagpipes and Drums of Scotland".  It's by
> > Laserlight Digital/ international passport.  The local supermarket
> > was selling them for about $1.99 a few years ago.
> >
> Track 7:  Colonel Robertson/???/I Am a Young Man (That Lived With My
>           Mother)/???/Rock and Wee Pickle Tow/Wooed and Married and A'

I was finally able to identify the second 6/8 march in this set -- it
is "The Quaker's Wife".  I still can't figure out the one after "I am
A Young Man";  there are 2 parts of 6/8 march, which would seem to mean
that this is one march (which sounds likely) but the recording also has
only fragments of some of the other marches in this set so this is not
completely certain.

Bruce C. Wright


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From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Johns saturday in Florida
Date: 13 Mar 2000 00:15:27 -0500

Okay, okay ... I'll end the suspense here! Saturday was an absolute
riot!!!!! These things could only happen to John Mitchell and Maeve as a
team .. . I'm sure of this!!!! We were supposed to meet in Inverness at 11
a.m. to line up. We were going to follow a couple of the other pipers up
there since it was an hour and a half's drive. We had John's shirt (yes, I
sewed on the patches and ironed it, hence taking the role of "wife"!) but
the kilt hose, flashes, sporran, and kilt were going to arrive at the
parade. John donned a pair of khaki shorts along with the shirt. I drove, we
talked, listened to tapes, John played his tin whistle, and we arrived at
11:05 . .. just in time for the police patrolling the parade route to tell
us that the parade STARTED at 11 and we could not get in. Well, we coerced
our way through the lines, found the band  ... and also found that the
person supplying the kilt FORGOT the kilt! So we put the kilt hose on John
with the band shirt and khaki shorts! Looked great . . .since the pipe major
had also forgotten HIS kilt and was also wearing khaki shorts! At least they
matched!!!  I couldn't get John to tuck his shirt in so off we went with his
shirt tails flapping in the breeze!! I don't even  think I got him to pull
up his kilt hose .. . I'll have to look at the pictures when I get them
back! ONLY in Florida could this happen!!!!!!! We quickly got our pipes
tuned and joined the band. The pipe major must have seen the compatibility
of humor between John and myself and put us in the back row, each end,
making sure there was a piper between the two of us, like two kids!!!  :) :)
Didn't stop the joking and bantering though!!! We kept yelling at John to
quit playing so correctly . . . he just sounded too good to be a part of us
;) :) :) :)

At the end of the parade, all of the guys came up and congratulated me,
giving me lots of hugs and kisses! They told me that this was the tradition
for a first parade. I accepted that until I realized that the band was made
up of all men but Peggy and me .. and I asked if they did this for the new
MALE pipers as well. Sort of brought about a sheepish grin from the lot! Got
a great picture of John and the P/M in their Floridian attire . .. I'll put
it on my web site when I get them developed :) :) :) :)

The parade was only 3/4 of a mile and there was this cute little trolley to
take us back to the parking lot. We didn't get enough playing during the
parade so I got John to play some of his great jigs (St. Pat's day, ya
know!) on the return trip! WOW! That trolley rocked!!!!!!

We had about 5 hours until the Hooter's gig . .. so we headed off to one of
the drummer's house where John enjoyed sitting at the edge of the pool, feet
in the water, beer in hand, enjoying the FL sun! The cooler emptied quickly
but a run to the local package store provided a couple of liters of
Bailey's, which carried us over to Hooters. By this time, John was
sun-burned beyond belief! There will be no denying that he was in Florida
for the weekend! The kilt arrived, we dressed John and were off to Hooters.

Now ... this was where it got REALLY good! The place was packed and we did
the obligatory playing in between 100 Buffalo wings and 10 pitchers of beer!
We "saved" John by playing the simple stuff and then got him to do his solo
piping on the porch!!!! It was GREAT!!!! Two of the band members got me up
to dance to John's piping . .. we danced and danced and danced! There was a
pack of renegade bikers, who had just returned from Bike Week in Daytona,
leaving the restaurant. They had to walk right through the center of us
"dancers". We each grabbed one and had THEM doing Highland dancing as well!
What a sight!!!!! They were certainly great sports about the whole thing and
John brought the roof down with his piping! A daughter of one of the
drummers is an open competition Highland Fling dancer. We managed to talk
her into dancing on the porch as well . . . what a treat for all of us in
the band and for the patrons as well. This one of those great moments in
life that will not be forgotten!!!!

So there you have it! John was a real trooper to have put up with all of the
stuff that was handed to him during this visit! What a guy!!!! I can't wait
until his next visit . .. which just might be in 3 weeks!!!!! We're trying
to arrange for him to fly down for the competitions in Dunedin . . . open
solo piping!! I hope we can do it as I'm going to go through separation
anxiety when he boards the plane in the morning!!!! After these last few
days, I consider John a great friend . .. and I will certainly miss the "3rd
Husband" that I have had lately . .. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) Kidding aside .
. . I would not have missed these days with John for all of the money in the
world. More on that later!!!!!!!!

Love and Light be with you,
Maeve . . . in sunny Florida!
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authoring sandykeith.com
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 Most people exist, that is all."
 Oscar Wilde

>     I do not think i am the only one here interested in knowing this:  How
> did Mitchells parade go on sat.?  John, were you in the back row, middle?
> front row right??  what was it like?  i hope you did not give them shit
for
> missing gracenotes or yell at any of them for being out of step, i am sure
> you held your cool!!!!
>
> dieing to here what it was like,
>
> i would love to hear maeves point of view, or mauve as john says!!
>
> and john thought about it all!!!!
>
> hugh
>




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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Horrid CD: Liner Notes?
Date: 12 Mar 2000 23:07:25 -0900

Zudupiper wrote:

> I do like the sound of the older low-pitched drums.  Is that what pipe bands
> from the 60's or 70's sounded like?  Even the good ones?  Eeek.

I'm with you on the drums, in the context of military bands.  The old pipe bands
rolled along like thunder, with the side drums swinging off the drummers' hips
looking pure gallus.  There was a swagger there that seems missing from today's
bands.  I know drummers will never change back to the old rope tension drums, but I
think that military bands would do very well to switch to a lower pitched drum,
especially for marching and parade.

>
> I wouldn't bet on everything being the Gordon Highlanders though.  The piper on
> the front isn't wearaing anything Gordon.

If you closely at the photo, the piper is cut out and pasted over the background.
I don't recall there being an overlook like the one in the picture above Eileen
Donan Castle.  In fact, I would bet that the piper was playing at the infamous
layby in Glencoe, which is almost never without a busker.  I would certainly agree
with you, though, that there is little reliable information of any sort on the CD
cover.
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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Horrid CD: Liner Notes?
Date: 12 Mar 2000 23:09:22 -0900

[e-mail] wrote:

>
> I did go back and took the time to give a listen to that track, and the
> tunes are all familiar to me so it wasn't hard to get a complete list:
>
> Track 12:  Chisholm Castle (aka Erchless Castle, aka Jessie Chisholm)/
>            Granny Duncan/Fingal's Weeping/Granny Duncan/Greenwood Side/
>            Chisholm Castle (reprise in quick time).
>
> This is the same version of the Crimean Reveille as that given in the
> Gordon Highlanders Book I.
>
> Bruce C. Wright
>
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Thanks, Bruce.

Now I have an excuse to buy GH Vol I.

Regards,

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From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) For the record ...
Date: 13 Mar 2000 07:51:25 -0500

This is for the curious of you who want to know just how this weekend with
John Mitchell went for all of us down in the deep south. Since John has left
just a little while ago and I now have a moment, I'll try to describe the
weekend. This might not be as upbeat as it could be if I waited a while . .
. the sadness of his departure is still upon me!

What I am about to report is extremely inconsistent with the perception of
John that is portrayed on this NG! From the moment that he arrived, John was
personable, helpful, kind and not the least bit critical or
condescending!!!! Being the perfect gentleman at all times, John was a joy
to have around the house and in public. There was never a time when he was
not smiling!!!! While I joked with him about his going back and missing my
smiling face each day, the opposite is quite true . . . I'll miss his sunny
smiles and quick humor. He was more than helpful and gracious in setting up
Angus, showing me tips and tricks with his own pipe, playing with a lousy
street band and other things he was subjected to during this stay. My
husband and the band completely enjoyed John!

There is a lot of depth, feeling and compassion hidden behind that smiling
face! In the evenings, we sat barefoot on the front porch, under the
starlight sky, talking about anything and everything, solving world problems
and coming up with piping competition solutions. It was nice chatting with
someone with this depth of thought . . . not something I find on a regular
basis. This was a pleasant surprise to see someone so gifted and talented in
one area have the ability to converse in so many other areas!!!!!

John was helpful right up to the last moments of his stay. Despite the FULL
weekend of sun and fun, John worked with Angus me again last night . . . we
set up Angus again with my new Gibson Blackwood solo chanter (watch out,
Dave!), putting in new drone reeds and fine tuning everything to get him
going perfectly before John left. I was exhausted and said to him, "Why are
we working this hard when we could be sitting down and relaxing?" He just
smiled at me and said, "Because this is what we do."

The workshop went quite well! Everyone in the band was mesmerized by John's
knowledge and willingness to share. I've NEVER seen the band so quiet and
attentive. John answered each question that was asked in a clear, direct and
concise manner. It wasn't long into the day that the other members were
talking about the "John Mitchell: Phase II" workshop that is being planned
in the fall. I quickly volunteered to keep him again if this comes to
fruition. The band is still in awe and  reverence over John's talent. Mixed
with that fine talent is the ability to convey information. I sat at a
distance watching John help a new piper in our band, and I smiled at the
gentleness and patience that I saw in John while doing this. This young
piper had only held a set of pipes twice but that didn't matter a bit to
John.  I feel blessed to have been a part of this whole endeavor.

Now, you can all say what you will about John . .. this is MY experience and
I shall treasure the time spent with him forever!!!! John, you know that you
are always welcome in my home ... and if it EVER gets too cold (like when
you get off the plane today!) there are always return flights :) :) :) :) :)
Let me just add that I think he's been ruined by the Florida weather! We
were going to dinner last night to a place on the beach where we could watch
the sun setting over the Gulf when John rolled up the window in the van . .
. . saying it was too cold!!!! LOL! Just wait, Buddy!!!!! I can only imagine
what is going to happen when those plane doors open today!!!!!! ::Maeve
gives the knife one more twist!:: Thank you, John, for who you are and all
that you have done for us down here! If anyone else ever gets the chance to
do this .. . don't pass up the opportunity!
--
Love and Light be with you,
Maeve . . . drying the tears and missing her FRIEND, John, already!
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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reed Discussion (warning: technical)
Date: 10 Mar 2000 05:40:38 GMT

Zudupiper wrote:
> I've been experimenting with alternate screws for my drone reeds (ex-Wygents).
[...snip...]
> (coated 3x, I project, would get me to about 1.1 but if my math is off, the
> head of the bolt won't even fit into the stock at all, so I'm reluctant to
> apply any more coats)


Yo, like Zu, T-shirt dude:
Watcha mean by "coat"---with wat dude? And, like, dude, wat's a "stove bolt"?

Also, how does the reduced air passageway from the bag to the reed
affect drone volume?


Andrew
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Clanrye plastic reeds
Date: 13 Mar 2000 14:56:12 GMT

In article <Yl6z4.2554$[e-mail]>,
  "grrawe" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Hi,
> Does anyone have any experience or knowledge of Clanrye plastic pipe
> chanter reeds?  Tone, Usage problems and where are they made?

A few years ago one of the members of our band got one of these as
an experiment.  He also happens to be a bassoon player [!], and as
it turns out bassoon reeds resemble GHB chanter reeds to a remarkable
extent (even more so than the similarity with oboe reeds).  As you
may know, oboe and bassoon players very often make their own reeds
and in any event become quite proficient at reed manipulation.  He
hardly needed it for most purposes but was hoping to find something
that was impervious to being played in the cold and damp for long
parades or funerals.

The tone of that plastic chanter reed wasn't too bad on the low hand
notes but it had an annoying "chirping" sound on the high hand notes
(particularly G and high A grace notes).  How much this would bother
you is a matter of personal taste.  They may have improved since
then, though I have not heard of any such improvement.

Given their expense and the fact that even the plastic chanter reeds
don't last indefinitely, I don't know of any reason to recommend them
very highly.  Your mileage may vary.

Good luck,

Bruce C. Wright


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Practice on "bad" days?
Date: 13 Mar 2000 17:04:51 GMT

Like most of us, I have just experienced one of my "bad" days when it
comes to piping.  You know, your fingers just do what they want and not
what you tell them.
I am curious how others handle these "bad" days.  Continue on and force
yourself to put up with the frustration? Or give it up for another and
hopefully more productive and better sounding day?  I personally prefer
to put down the chanter and try again later or the next day.
What are your preferences and why?
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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: A SCOTTISH SNAP - WHAT IS IT??
Date: 13 Mar 2000 12:11:35 -0500

Scottish snap refers to a cut /dot rhythm as opposed to a dot/cut rhythm- part of
what gives strathspeys ( or really any scottish-style tune) a unique feel- instead
of Daah di Daah di daahh di...all the time, the occasional diDahh "snap" is
distinctive. BTW- I heard it re3ferred to as a "Scotch Snap " years ago in a
general music class- so it's not a aprticlulrly fiddle or bagpipe related term.

Zudupiper wrote:

> >Has anyone out there heard of the term Scottish Snap?  If so, what is
> >it?
>
> Never in conversation, but in a couple of piping books I have.  It's a fiddle
> term and it refers to, I think, a pair of notes in a strathspey played cut-dot
> (instead of the more usual dot-cut).
>
> The fiddle has the ability to play the "cut" note louder than the "dotted" one,
> and that's the effect of the "Scottish Snap".  But maybe it refers to the
> cut-dot rhythm.
>
> I think.
>
> Zu


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From: Bill Carr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Rocket Reeds
Date: 13 Mar 2000 19:01:11 GMT

The more I play my set of Mark Lee's drone reeds the more I'm amazed at
the way they perform.

I just played for 90 minutes NON STOP with a cold set of pipes that
haven't been played for a couple of days. After 10 minutes of tuning and
playing they just locked into tune and stayed there.

I'm playing a Ross sealed bag with a short water trap and I'm a real
drooler of a wet blower. At the end of the session (just now my ears are
ringing!) the water trap was full and the reeds looked like they had
been sprayed with a garden hose. Still ..... they didn't stop or go out
of tune for the whole hour and a half. My chanter went a touch flat but
the drones stayed locked into tune with each other the whole time.

Name any other reed that will do that with the same bag set up!

Thanks again Mark...!


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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-shirt slogan contest
Date: 13 Mar 2000 18:48:51 GMT

Zudupiper wrote:
>
> As is traditional with T-shirt slogans, we are caught between the Scylla and
> Charybdis of tasteless and lameness.
>
> hoping for something better....
>
> Zu

Ah, well. I think we're all stretching a bit.

Hoping for something with tastiness and lameless.

Andrew
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: horse hair sporan
Date: 13 Mar 2000 19:19:13 GMT


> I keep mine tightly kept together & straight by feeding the sporran
> through one my wifes old stockings(cut off a piece of course)

Good idea.  If you wash it while in the stocking it will probably not
tangle.  Just squeeze the shampoo though the hair and stocking then
rinse well.  I didn't do this but instead washed one with the hair
free. I put some creme rinse on it then rinsed.  This made combing it
out easier, just as with human hair.


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From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Queen Maeve Band forming
Date: 13 Mar 2000 14:04:47 -0500

Rodger A. Cotton <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Over on the Rec.music.makers.celtic NG there was a post about a band to be
> named Queen Meave forming. At first I thought it was Herself forming the
band.
> Its nothing of the sort... Just thought Herself should know about it.

Well . . . they certainly haven't told ME about this yet!!!!!! It's so nice
to be honoured in such a way!!!! I guess it was supposed to be a
surprise?!??! :) LOL! ! !
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: new pipes
Date: 13 Mar 2000 19:23:42 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  christine <[e-mail]> wrote:
> hey everyone!
>
> been on the plastic dunbars for the last 7 yrs--they have served me
well
> but are starting to crack up.
>
  Exactly what do you mean by "starting to crack up"?  I thought they
would last a long time.


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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: chanters vs other woodwind
Date: 13 Mar 2000 14:30:09 -0500

yep- pipers have been known to corve up $200 chanters to make them fit a $6
reed. Oboe and Basson players, if they're any good, usually make their own
reeds- Not likely to see a basson player carve up a $4,000 bassoon to make it
fit a $30 reed....

Brad Morrison wrote:

> I've played a few other instruments over the years.  Mostly brass
> and stringed, never woodwind.
>
> Do other reeded instruments (oboe, clarinet, sax, etc) have the
> same problems as pipe chanters.  I'm sure there are issues about
> reed selection, especially with oboe and basoon (twin reeds), but
> I never remember band members talking about having to carve holes
> to get the intonation correct.  When it was in tune, the whole
> darned thing semed to be in-tune.
>
> Is that a misperception?
> What's the deal?
>
> Brad
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From: "Ewan A. Macpherson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: chanters vs other woodwind
Date: 13 Mar 2000 14:17:17 -0500

Brad Morrison wrote:

> Do other reeded instruments (oboe, clarinet, sax, etc) have the
> same problems as pipe chanters.  I'm sure there are issues about
> reed selection, especially with oboe and basoon (twin reeds), but
> I never remember band members talking about having to carve holes
> to get the intonation correct.  When it was in tune, the whole
> darned thing semed to be in-tune.

In all (?) modern reed instruments, the reed is in contact with the
player's lips, and the player uses their embouchure to adjust the
intonation and do vibrato.  We have problems because we don't have direct
contact with the reed  and therefore have to get everything set up
beforehand.

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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Rocket Reeds
Date: 13 Mar 2000 21:00:29 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
  Bill Carr <[e-mail]> wrote:

> ...At the end of the session (just now my ears
are
> ringing!) the water trap was full and the reeds looked like they had
> been sprayed with a garden hose.

My experience, too.  Mine seem to love water, like a duck.

Pat


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From: Richard Mao <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Korg AT-2 Tuner and the chanter
Date: 13 Mar 2000 17:03:26 -0500


Hi...

It's best if you have a great piper you trust...let him/her do it and your
chanters will be consistent... but if not try.

Ewan MacPhersonÆs Hot Piping Page

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~emacpher/pipes/acoustics/pipescale.html
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~emacpher/pipes/acoustics/chromtune.html

Once you get LoA in synch (same needle reading) with HiA... then playing the
other notes will read on their respective chromatic note readings as a
DISPLACEMENT from that needle reading... as seen in Ewan's Charts...

Further you might want to plug attachment to a water manometer into the drone so
that you can monitor that you are making the readings while the notes are being
played at the same pressure...and blowing steadily

Further you might want to wait for about 15-25 minutes of playing to stabilize
the pitch of the chanter reed before going through this exercise.

If your pipers can't maintain an even pressure.... this exercise is very
frustrating...

Good Luck

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     not the other way aroundàDiana Leising

Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( [e-mail] )



Mark Jamieson wrote:

> Does anyone know how to use one of these things to check individual notes on
> a chanter (if it's possible at all)?  I've looked at the Korg site etc.. and
> not found anything that really tells me what I should be looking at.
>
> To elaborate, in my band there is a long running arguement that the bottom
> and top hands of our "adapted" Sheppard chanters are not "in synch" with
> each other  resulting in any harmonies always sound a little off  i.e. C to
> E, D to F etc..  Simple step by step instructions would be apprectiated as
> I've started to doubt my own ear!!  A bad state of affairs.
>
> Mark


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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scarce of Fishing
Date: 13 Mar 2000 12:39:36 -0900

Robert Low wrote:

> I've been asked by a former pupil (who now lives in New Jersey - I live in
> England) to teach him "Scarce of Fishing" over the Net. I've not played this
> before - before I dive into Kilberry and the Piob Society Ms can anybody
> recommend a good recording of it?
>
> Bob Low

Scarce of Fishing is on Greg Wilson's "Pipers of Distinction" series CD.

A good resource is the piobaireachd recording list, at:

    http://www.io.com/~garycox/pioblist.html

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From: Richard Mao <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: M.Lee's e-mail or tele # quickly please
Date: 13 Mar 2000 17:05:50 -0500


try

Mark Lee, Reedmaker
1931 Southwest Blvd.
Tulsa, OK  74107
Phone: [phone]
[e-mail]


[e-mail] wrote:

> I am heading to Tulsa tomorrow and Mark Lee and I had talked about getting
> together...Anyway, my laptop with all e-mail addresses was stolen and I just
> got back on-line...Does anyone have his e-mail and/or phone number.
>
> Thanks in advance


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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Equipment vs ability (was Reeds)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 23:17:25 GMT

On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:37:01 -0500, madman <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>Royce Lerwick wrote:
>>
>> >
>> Seems to me the chief advantage would be in the chanter stock, as with
>> Mark Lee's reeds anyway, steadiness isn't much of a problem.
>
>Which would call for a venturi..been there ,done that, and you own one
>so essentially this is all academic anyway.
>Besides, we're talking about efficiency,not specifically steadiness.

And Mark did a whole load of calculations to get a profile and so
forth, so it just struck me that if you were accomplishing something
of the same effect with a stock bore you'd have to do something a bit
more sophisticated than just putting a small hole at random in the
butt end. By the way, I'm eager to tie that stock into the set of
sticks it goes with...lust lust lust....

>> Alright, so explain this then, wouldn't this constriction in the
>> stock, in order for it to act as a regulator, fundamentally require a
>> higher operating pressure?
>The higher operating pressure would be *secondary* to the pressure
>*drop*
>over the smaller orifice,thus increasing efficiency with a normal
>operating pressure.
>This isn't conjecture,its been done...it works.
>I'm not saying I agree with it.
>I'm saying that I've had some really strange requests for oddball
>modifications,
>some of them work,and some of them.....

Here's where I'm coming from, and maybe a lot of it is folklore, but a
lot of the "greats" have taught that restrictions at the butt of a
stock can cause difficult strike-ins. This may be obsolete thinking
with the synthetic reeds which have entirely different properties and
dimensions. But similar to the effect of a constricted blowpipe, in
the strike-in mode delivering a more rapid-than-normal-operating-rate
airflow is necessesary in many pipes, or I'd say most pipes, and if
the home-builder went overboard you'd end up I'm sure with steady
drones once they get up, but getting them in and up might feel a bit
logey.

>>Or in other words, in order to "limit"
>> fluctiation, it would serve as a damper *only* if the average pressure
>> ahead of the damper were higher than the "steady" pressure making it
>> to the reed.
>Thats a given,but its neither here nor there.

It might be "here" if what the net result of that means, is the
overall operating pressure of the pipes is now some significant
percent higher than without the restricted stocks.

>This isn't a 1200 PSI boiler system pumping hot water thru your local
>hospital
>plumbing...we're talking *low*(1.2) pressure here.

That's what, around 20-25" or so? A light set of pipes. Maybe the
overall pressure is low for a boiler, but not so comfortable for the
human being, and raising the bag pressure to say, 2psi in order to
pass 1.2psi at a "steady" rate (have no idea what the actual
difference would be) might be pretty noticeable. I think the most
noticeable difference would be on the Mark Lee specials running around
50" or 3psi, you know, a "easy medium" in Mark's estimation.

Anyway, we'll have Zu out there with a handful of beaker-stoppers with
little holes in them by the weekend and he can tell us how it works.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Equipment vs ability (was Reeds)
Date: 13 Mar 2000 23:18:16 GMT

On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 00:01:17 -0800, "Scot Kortegaard"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>    Y'know Royce, I had a great reply written up, just dripping with
>sarcasm. I did the wise thing though and didn't send it. Just sitting here
>wondering if you're going to have anything valuable to add. Naw, I doubt it.

Here's a neat idea Scot, you could print you clever post and we could
all see if *you* had anything valuable to add.

Royce

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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Sharp Sharp Sharp, Partanen III, tying up a man with a very big and very loose end
Date: 13 Mar 2000 23:19:38 GMT

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 23:56:34 -0500, "Maeve's piper boy"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>BTW K-mart shoppers, you can find Royce's CD in the clearance
>section for just $1.99

And you can find John's in his dreams.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Sharp Sharp Sharp, Partanen III, tying up a man with a very big and very loose end
Date: 13 Mar 2000 23:33:41 GMT

On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:36:13 GMT, "Bob Brodie" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>A belated happy birthday, Royce.  Hope the movies were fun.  Your post sure
>was.
>
>Who's the new band?

I ended up at the multi-plex trying to get into movies at roughly the
same time with all the kids because "Ichabod Crane" was rated R. The
little ones went to "Stuart Little" me, the idiot son who was driving
the kids over and I had to cellphone from the lobby because he wasn't
bright enough to stand in the open where we could see him, and my wife
went to see "The Omega Code" instead, because we'd never heard of it
and it looked like science fiction. Turned out to be a Trinity
Broadcast System production about the "Bible Code" for you conspiracy
buffs. Not bad, but I'd read the book so it spoiled the surprize
ending: God Wins!

Anyway the new band is "Twin Cities Metropolitan" from Minneapolis/St.
Paul MN. We're entering grade 3 for the season and for the first time
in about 15 years we've got enough bodies in a circle that have the
ability to play up into grade 2 in our lifetime for that particular
line of band-boostering BS to fall into the realm of possibility. It's
still really rough because we've actually only just got chanters a
couple weeks ago but if you're in the area, come by and have a listen,
whoever you may be. Unless you want to keep on buying those "used
cars."

Royce

(A local joke.)

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Sharp Sharp Sharp, Partanen III, tying up a man with a very big and very loose end
Date: 13 Mar 2000 23:25:36 GMT

On 12 Mar 2000 15:49:49 GMT, [e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:
>Pipey's Corner is an editorial, let's not forget that.  Just like a newspaper
>editorial, it has some basis in fact, and then the rest of it is slanted the
>way the writer wants to slant it.

I think Pipey's Corner is a great idea. I even like the
editorializing. I just think when you're "editorializing" and you
throw out supporting "facts" they ought to have some sort of basis on
reality. Like, you ought to be able to look in a book on wood and have
it say blackwood is lighter than ebony if that's what he's claiming.
Or you ought to be able to find more than on shopkeeper with a web
site and a couple of names pulled out of thin air in Ontario, as proof
that John Partanen is supreme master of the WUSPBA and conquering its
august body in waves of support for his presidency thereof, or for
that matter, is carrying the People's Mandate for the formation of a
Globaly World Solo Piping Authority.

Royce


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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Blowpipe valves
Date: 13 Mar 2000 23:43:38 GMT

On 13 Mar 2000 03:01:02 GMT, [e-mail] (TomandSuny) wrote:

>You know, I am really surprised that no one has invented a disk or ball valve
>that emulates the valves used in marine gear. These valves are typically soft
>plastic, very responsive and seal well.
>
>Maybe the Wee Piper would buiold one for us to try??

Alexander made one that was built into a mouthpiece many years ago
that was a completely restrictive failure. The principle is not sound
in terms of speed of closure, so you lose too much air before it
seals. If the valve were large enough not to be restrictive, this
latter effect would be so pronounced (along with the noise) that it
would be pointless in this application.

However, I'm sure somebody will try.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Rocket Reeds
Date: 13 Mar 2000 23:54:07 GMT

On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:00:29 GMT, oshpiper <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>,
>  Bill Carr <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> ...At the end of the session (just now my ears
>are
>> ringing!) the water trap was full and the reeds looked like they had
>> been sprayed with a garden hose.
>
>My experience, too.  Mine seem to love water, like a duck.
>
>Pat

Forgot to mention in last post that they also have greatly diminished
tendency to hoot or squeal on strike-in due to same adjustments.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Rocket Reeds
Date: 13 Mar 2000 23:52:17 GMT

On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:00:29 GMT, oshpiper <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>,
>  Bill Carr <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> ...At the end of the session (just now my ears
>are
>> ringing!) the water trap was full and the reeds looked like they had
>> been sprayed with a garden hose.
>
>My experience, too.  Mine seem to love water, like a duck.
>
>Pat

I just got both my tenors tweaked now so they "top off" against all
claims otherwise. My bass always did, I've got a glass tongue and
phenolic body in there, and two G10 bodied/carbon tongued tenors.
Anyone interested in how you get a Lee to do that can email me.

(I've got them so they just top off but I dont' want to go overboard
because I still want them to drink in water, but I really don't think
that's going to be a problem.)

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: chanters vs other woodwind
Date: 13 Mar 2000 23:47:37 GMT

On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:53:02 -0800, Brad Morrison
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>I'm sure there are issues about
>reed selection, especially with oboe and basoon (twin reeds), but
>I never remember band members talking about having to carve holes
>to get the intonation correct.  When it was in tune, the whole
>darned thing semed to be in-tune.
>
>Is that a misperception?

Yes. It's a misperception. Just listen really closely to any
highschool wind ensemble if you think "the whole darned thing" is in
tune.

>What's the deal?

Other reed instruments suck too. You just aren't listening closely
enough.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Equipment vs ability (was Reeds)
Date: 11 Mar 2000 18:46:43 GMT

>What you're doing is actually limiting airflow.
>

Right.

>The exact same effect can be achieved if a set of stocks were made that
>looked like inverted practice chanter tops(sort-of).

Oh, that's what you were talking about!

>In other words...the part of the stock that would be tied into the bag
>would have a very narrow ID (like .1562) that would open into a
>normal stock ID (like .7812),

Jayzus!  That's about half the size that I calculated you'd need.  I figured
the clearance equates to something like a .30" diamter hole.


>his would limit pressure/volume and
>you'd literally have to bear-hug the bag in order for the reed to
>raise in pitch or become unsteady.

Bust my bubble, why doncha.  I thought I magically learned to blow rock steady
overnight ; )

>I've made stocks just like this for very good players who will remain
>nameless.

So back to my original point (or one of them).  If EVERYBODY had stocks like
yours (or reeds like mine), damn near EVERYBODY would be able to blow steady
with little effort.

Right now steady blowing is expected to happen at about the grade 2 solo level,
maybe top of grade 3.

With your stocks or my reeds, my bichon frise could blow steady.  Not the
maltese, he's a nimrod and still pees in the house occasionally.  but any of
the toy breeds and up could do this.

To say nothing of the grade 5 and grade 4 (and grade 3)  pipers out there.

My original point (maybe in another thread) was that pipers who blow steady
aren't necessarily gifted with steady-blowing genes, they just have an
efficient setup.

Do me a favor, though.  Don't start mass-marketing those special stocks until
after I move up to grade 2.  I need all the help I can get ; )

Zu


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From: [e-mail] (PYPPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Has anyone got bagpipe writer gold or finale 2000
Date: 14 Mar 2000 00:44:46 GMT

>Has anyone got bagpipe writer gold or finale 2000
>From: "Bob Brodie

wellsaid, bob. Stu

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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Drone reed problem
Date: 13 Mar 2000 19:21:28 -0700

It tunes in perfectly (when it plays) with just a bit of hemp showing. And
the tuning screw is just about all the way out.  Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Don

Maeve's piper boy wrote:

> sdon <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> > I have a Ez drone tennor that started acting up today and nothing seems
> > to fix it any ideas??? It either double tones back and forth or shuts
> > off. Dosen't seem to be any middle ground.
>
> Alot depends on where the tenor drone is tuning.
> if it's too high on the tuning pin, then it acts up and
> shuts off.
>
> First, move it to the edge of the hemp, and see if it's
> tuning sharp or flat, but it's better if the tuning screw
> is all the way out. If it's still tuning too sharp, then pull
> the bridle slightly back.
>
> Hope this Helps
>
> cheers
>
> John

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From: "Bill Tubbs" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band on a Sound Level Meter
Date: 13 Mar 2000 20:07:17 -0800


Royce Lerwick <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
 Percussion is even
> worse, and the real danger to the ear in practice is the snare drums,
> not the pipes.

No kidding.  It takes all my self-control to refrain from punching my Swiss
Army knife through the drum head of every drummer in the practice hall who
has the stupid nervous habit of continuous "Look!  When I hit my drumstick
on the head, it makes a really loud, obnoxious noise, and I can pretend I'm
working on the MSR and you can't tell the difference, you silly piper, you!"

Not to mention 200 drummers who do the same thing while waiting for massed
bands to begin.

I know!  Maybe if we insist on pockets in drummers' kilts....



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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Veteran Pipers
Date: 13 Mar 2000 21:00:09 -0900

Can anyone on the newsgroup provide me with contact information for the
Veteran Pipers Association in the U.K.?

Thank you,

Michael


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-shirts
Date: 14 Mar 2000 12:07:09 GMT

How about this for a Tee shirt.....

Crenluath a Mach One
Now THAT'S Fast!


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Practice on "bad" days?
Date: 14 Mar 2000 12:11:29 GMT

Thanks for all the good advise.   I knew I could count on you.
BTW, I don't like beer or ale (gasp!).  Will Drambouie do?


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From: Ed Via <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: John Richardson
Date: 14 Mar 2000 08:50:29 -0500

I'm quite saddened to hear this, Bonnie. I didn't know your husband
personally, but he and I shared a few emails about piping (what else!)
when I was first getting started, and he was generous with his
information, and understanding of my ignorance. I'm sure he'll be sorely
missed, and I'll play a tune in his memory tonight.

Ed Via


John Richardson wrote:
>
> I don't know if any of you knew my husband, John Richardson, but I
> wanted to post and let you know that he went to Heaven on March 7th at
> 1:00 in the morning.  He ahd absolutely no pain whatsoever and at
> peace.  John lost his rather long fight with cancer and will be sorley
> missed by all who knew him.  For to truly know John was to love him,
> for he was an extremely intellegent man and, at times, was very hard
> for people to understnad him.
>
> If you would like to know about the memorial service(s) planned you
> may e-mail personally at his address:
> [e-mail]
>
> Sincerely,
> Bonnie Richardson

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From: Ed Via <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Need HELP:  with my setup
Date: 14 Mar 2000 09:12:27 -0500

Steve,

When I first started out 4 years ago my teacher gave me a 2X4 reed and
told me to build myself up to it. That didn't work well and I never
learned to blow steady. So I rebelled and went the opposite extreme and
tried blowing a "wuss reed" for a while. That didn't work out too well
either because, although the pipe was indeed easy and comfortable to
play, it was very difficult to blow steady tone against such a weak
reed. A very experienced player might be able to blow good tone with a
feather light reed, but I can't. So I've been gradually building myself
up to playing a harder reed. These days I play what I'd call an "easy
medium" reed, and ultimately I'd like to get up to where I'm playing a
"strong medium," at the very least. I think you'll find yourself chasing
the tuning and tone all over the place if your aim is to play a "wuss"
reed. Unless, of course, you're a very experienced player.

Ed Via


"Stephen S. Mack" wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me how to set my pipes so I can blow a real light chanter
> reed and set the drones to take as little air as possible?  This topic
> probably has been covered ad nauseum, but I missed it.  I WANT to blow
> a wuss reed.  Any suggestions?
>
>                                 TIA
>
>                                         Steve Mack

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From: "Jean Gould" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) "Vintage" Scottish Highland Bagpipes..Ebay
Date: 14 Mar 2000 18:31:44 GMT

Hi group,

  Has anyone seen the "Vintage" Scottish Highland Bagpipes item number
283067678 on Ebay?   They are listed under woodwind instruments and will pop
up if you search under "bagpipes"...any idea what they might be...I'm
curious.

                             Jean



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From: Bob Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Korg AT-2 Tuner and the chanter
Date: 14 Mar 2000 18:49:03 +0000

Mark, is your AT2 a chromatic or a bagpipe version. You can only tune the
chanter easily with a proper bagpipe tuner. My AT2 has a slatire flag and
bagpipe written on it, it cost ú200 , you can buy an AT2 chromatic for about ú50
but they are only good for drones.

Bob

Mark Jamieson wrote:

> Does anyone know how to use one of these things to check individual notes on
> a chanter (if it's possible at all)?  I've looked at the Korg site etc.. and
> not found anything that really tells me what I should be looking at.
>
> To elaborate, in my band there is a long running arguement that the bottom
> and top hands of our "adapted" Sheppard chanters are not "in synch" with
> each other  resulting in any harmonies always sound a little off  i.e. C to
> E, D to F etc..  Simple step by step instructions would be apprectiated as
> I've started to doubt my own ear!!  A bad state of affairs.
>
> Mark


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From: "Jean Gould" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: chanters vs other woodwind
Date: 14 Mar 2000 18:24:05 GMT

Hi there,

   Well, I've been a clarinetist my entire life, and have been playing with
the United States Army Field Band out of Washington DC for the last 17
years, and I must say, no clarinet I've ever met has been completely in
tune.  My fellow clarinetists and I put tape inside the tone holes and also
do what is called "undercutting" to try to put some of the notes closer in
tune.  The variables of mouthpiece, barrel length, and reed strength also
come into play.  As a beginning piper, I find that the amount of tuning and
carving done on chanters is about the same as with any professional model
clarinet.

                                         Jean
>
>Do other reeded instruments (oboe, clarinet, sax, etc) have the
>same problems as pipe chanters.  I'm sure there are issues about
>reed selection, especially with oboe and basoon (twin reeds), but
>I never remember band members talking about having to carve holes
>to get the intonation correct.  When it was in tune, the whole
>darned thing semed to be in-tune.
>

This would definately be a misconception.....

>Is that a misperception?
>What's the deal?
>

The harder you work to play correctly in tune, the more problems you
discover, also, the more you learn...the more you know that there is so much
more left still to learn

>
>
>
>
>



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From: Bob Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: another clanrye question
Date: 14 Mar 2000 18:42:51 +0000

Uwe, I would take all and any of these things...... and throw them in the
fire.  In MY opinion they are an abomination, the tone is absolutly dire. Be
a real friend to your Buddy and tell him not to waste his money. They do come
in varing strenghts, if he insists on having one he may be better with a
strong one. Please report back and tell us how he gets on..

Uwe Frank wrote:

> One of our band members wants to try out a Clanrye plastic reed. I read a
> lot about it in the ng, but here is my question:
>
> Is there a big difference concerning the strength ? My buddy normally has
> gat a medium strength chanter reed - would it be better to take a weak or
> strang Clanrye ?
>
> Uwe


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From: "Matthew Wood" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Sharp Sharp Sharp, Partanen III, tying up a man with a very big and very loose end
Date: 14 Mar 2000 23:03:03 GMT

Roddy does indeed make a nice pipe.

As a dealer for his instrument I can attest to his integrity and
helpfulness.  His pipes are quite well made and gaining a lot of
popularity.  Every set is indeed made by hand!


--
Matt Wood
McCoill Associates, Pipe Band Supply

LongTrang <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> I usually just lurk here and don't respond to postings because
> they seem so personal.  But I agree with something here.  I, too,
> like to read Sherwood's 'column'.  He's an educated guy with
> strong opinions; if that were a crime many of us would be in deep
> ka-ka.  I don't know squat about Iain or Royce except for what
> they write here or elsewhere on the web.  Royce also has strong
> opinions and he seems to back them up well, even if you disagree.
> If there's one thing my Master's degree has taught me, it's this:
> if you're going to make an assanine argument, be prepared to
> defend it!!  Months ago, Iain just about had me talked into
> Kintails.  I did scores of hours of research and found out they
> weren't what I had hoped for.  I've checked into EVERY maker of
> pipes in the western world--Kron, Gibson, Dunfion, Shep,
> Naill,etc.--and opted for Roddy MacLellan, who I hadn't heard of
> until reading about him in Pipey's Corner.  You guys know more
> about piping than I in units best measured in light years, I just
> wish you didn't feel compelled to slag each other to prove your
> points.
>
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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Sharp Sharp Sharp, Partanen III, tying up a man with a very big and very loose end
Date: 14 Mar 2000 23:38:48 GMT

On 14 Mar 2000 00:31:07 GMT, [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
wrote:

>Hey Royce, I hear John Mitchells available for workshops...

Hmm, guess we'd be playing Gibsons except apparently the only way to
get them in a hurry was to fly John in along with the chanters....

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Sharp Sharp Sharp, Partanen III, tying up a man with a very big and very loose end
Date: 14 Mar 2000 23:43:58 GMT

On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:03:03 GMT, "Matthew Wood"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Roddy does indeed make a nice pipe.
>
>As a dealer for his instrument I can attest to his integrity and
>helpfulness.  His pipes are quite well made and gaining a lot of
>popularity.  Every set is indeed made by hand!

Which gets me back to one of the most asinine points made by Sherwood,
because by his estimation Kintails must be godlike in their quality
and tone because they're *not* made carefully by hand, but cranked out
by people from sheltered-workshops in mass-production. Sherwood isn't
even internally consistent.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Equipment vs ability (was Reeds)
Date: 14 Mar 2000 23:37:02 GMT

On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:16:44 -0500, madman <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>(The rest I'll just leave alone,because you'll just bury me in verbose
>ramblings)

Well, at least it's not a load of technobabble.

Royce

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: chanters vs other woodwind
Date: 15 Mar 2000 00:04:20 GMT

In article <9tvz4.1522$[e-mail]>,
"Jean Gould" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> Well, I've been a clarinetist my entire life, and have been playing
> with the United States Army Field Band out of Washington DC for the
> last 17 years, and I must say, no clarinet I've ever met has been
> completely in tune.

This certainly matches my experience with playing the clarinet in a
former life :-).  The biggest advantage that the clarinet has over
the pipe chanter is that it doesn't have those drones, so if you
know that you have problems with certain note(s), you can overblow
or underblow them as needed to bring it into tune.  If a note is
consistently flat you can of course undercut the hole, but as with
the pipe chanter you have to eliminate the variables with the reeds
before you start carving up the clarinet.

You can certainly do this with the pipe, but then you face the problem
that with 4 reeds going (chanter + 3 drones), you will almost never
have all of them change their pitch together if you overblow or under-
blow a note.  The drones also provide a reference so that your audience
is aware of what you're doing.  In a band situation it may still be the
lesser of two evils, but it's one you want to avoid if at all possible;
hence the liberal use of tape.

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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: chanters vs other woodwind
Date: 15 Mar 2000 00:08:52 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Royce Lerwick) wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:53:02 -0800, Brad Morrison
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >I'm sure there are issues about
> >reed selection, especially with oboe and basoon (twin reeds), but
> >I never remember band members talking about having to carve holes
> >to get the intonation correct. When it was in tune, the whole
> >darned thing semed to be in-tune.
> >
> >Is that a misperception?
>
> Yes. It's a misperception. Just listen really closely to any
> highschool wind ensemble if you think "the whole darned thing" is in
> tune.
>
> >What's the deal?
>
> Other reed instruments suck too. You just aren't listening closely
> enough.

And pianos, and pipe organs, and violins, and ....

Being "in tune" is a state of very low entropy, for any instrument.
You can almost never maintain it for very long.

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From: [e-mail] (Rojo2G)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Parts for a goose
Date: 15 Mar 2000 01:26:18 GMT

> I've been contemplating building a goose from synthetic
> materials, and have gone so far price the materials...

Sometime in the 60's I read an article about a group of people that made  horns
 (and organized a group that played them) out of bulb seaweed.
 If you live by the ocean..and it has this type....good luck.
Oh, ah...probably not good to play them in the rain.
Rojo
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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Dealers
Date: 14 Mar 2000 18:55:58 -0700

Sorry.....lets try that again.

Here is the great pipes:
Here is about the best deal you will find on a excellent set of pipes.
Great sets of pipes for sale with LOADS of  gear thrown in. (All brand
new) The price is
$965.00
. For that price you get: 1 Set of Booth, African Black wood pipes MADE
IN SCOTLAND (These are excellent pipes). They are mounted in 1/2
imitation ivory and chrome with chrome tuning pin covers. The chrome
looks about 1,0000 times better than the nickel silver that is being put
on pipes these days!  They are really an eye catcher. Often after
hearing and seeing a set of these pipes, people will chase down one of
my pipers dying to find out where they got their pipes. Anyway.... You
also get a heavy duty pipe case, elk hide bag, very nice custom zippered
bag cover, silk cords, Shepherd reeds, drone brushes, rubber stoppers,
pipers third hand, seasoning, hemp, cobblers wax,
pipe teachers assistant CD volume one, Companion book of music for CD
volume
one WARNOCK pipe chanter , and Bore Mhor Valve.The pipes themselves are
worth
more than the sale price, and the drones are good enough to take you all
the
way to the top. As I said before, they will hold their own against Naill

drones anytime The Booths sound just like a sweet set of Hendersons
(Seriously!). The Warnock chanter has plenty of great reputation behind
it what more can you say?
I have a hard time keeping sets around because every time a buyer sees a
set
of these pipes, what they come with, and hear how they sound they buy
them
on the spot. They way they act, you would think they had hit the mother
load. I could go on and on about these pipes, but the best thing I say
is I am so
pleased with them I use them my self, as a matter of fact, I set my
whole
band up with them, and man can we get a sweet sound with these pipes.
The tone of the drones is superb, the wood of the pipes is excellent,
the included gear is top quality, and the chanter is great!! You are not
going to beat this deal ANYWHERE.
You can see pics. at:
http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard/bagpipes/

Don
RachelAnne wrote:

> I'm interested in suggestions for a good reputable dealer.  I
> know that not all dealers carry all pipes and that my choice of
> dealer depends greatly on the brand of pipes I want. Since much
> pipe business is conducted over the 'net, perspective customers
> often have to rely on the 'good faith' of dealers.  If you don't
> want to post anything negative about a certain dealer here,
> please email me.  I've heard some real horror stories, I'm just
> a girl who want to avoid more of those.  I'm a competent piper
> and I'm looking to spend my first real chunk o' change on a good
> set of pipes.  Help me out...?
>
> Thanks--RachelAnne MacLellan
>
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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: tune search: A Soldier's Song
Date: 14 Mar 2000 18:48:25 -0700

Me too please.

Don S.

Robert Hall wrote:

> Jay,
> If it isn't too much trouble, could you email "A Soldier's Song" to me also?
>
> Thanks
> Rob
>
> [e-mail]
>
> IRSH PIPER wrote:
>
> > Dia Duit Jeff,
> >      I e-mailed you the tune, several times.
> > My e-mails just bounces back.
> > If you still want the tune please give me your correct e-mail address.
> >
> > God Bless
> > Jay Murray
> >
> > >Subject: Re: tune search: A Soldier's Song
> > >From: "Jeff Ramsden \(MacLe≥id\)" [e-mail]
> >
> > >> I'm seeking A Soldier's Song, preferably as a GIF, but shall gladly
> > >accept any
> > >> form that someone would kindly supply.  Many thanks

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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Drone reed problem
Date: 14 Mar 2000 18:57:54 -0700

Probably, they were pretty wet.

Thanks,

Don

John Mitchell wrote:

> don <[e-mail]> wrote in
> > It tunes in perfectly (when it plays) with just a bit of hemp showing. And
> > the tuning screw is just about all the way out.  Any suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Don
>
> I might suspect moisture problems!
>
> look and see if the end of the tuning pin is wet!
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From: "Todd Bircher" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Opinions on Reed Storage
Date: 15 Mar 2000 02:22:03 GMT

Hello Group,
   I'm interested in anyone's/everyone's opinion on reed storage. I am a
pretty wet blower which of course means that if I keep the reed and chanter
attached to the bag it'll do one or two things: 1)get pretty moldy unless I
dry it out prior to putting the chanter back in the bag and 2)the high G
will waver after I've kept it in the bag for too long to the point where I
have to put more pressure on the bag to reach it.
   I think the reed lasts longer if I store it in a completely dry place but
that means I have to retune much more during play (I guess due to the reed
going from dry to wet).
   I guess a reed protector that attaches to the chanter (so I don't have to
take the reed out) would be the perfect compromise but even there it has a
tendency to mold. Is that common? Is my logic on track here?  Thanks ...
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From: "Todd" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: SEASONING--Storage/Corrosion?
Date: 14 Mar 2000 23:31:00 -0800

eh yeah - that's what I do.  Actually, I use tupper-ware(plastic).

Cheers,
Todd

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> Todd, why not put it in a glass bottle then???
>
> Slainte
>
> John B
>
> "Todd" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> news:8a4tna$jf5$[e-mail]...
> > The problem's with the terrible 'tin' can - It rusts - ruining the
> > seasoning!
> >
> > Yer man,
> > Todd Muscat
> >
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> > Bduty <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> > news:[e-mail]...
> > > I've always been told that once you open the tin, pour any remainder
in
> a
> > glass
> > > jar, and put it in the frig.  I guess that once it gets exposed to the
> > air,
> > > some reaction with the metal can occur, causing it go bad (whatever
> "bad"
> > is
> > > for this stuff).
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > >
> > > >: I'd like to hear from folks about how they store their seasoning,
> > > >: particularly those that just leave the stuff in the can in the
> > > >refrigerator.
> > > >
> > > >I was told to put the stuff in the freezer. So I do, and later thaw
it
> > out by
> > > >placing the tin in a container of warm water for 1/2 hour.
> > > >
> > > >I'm not sure if this is "correct", but it works for me.
> >
> >
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From: Bill Carr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross Cannister Bag
Date: 15 Mar 2000 13:10:01 GMT



Chris Eyre wrote:

>
> | > After 13 years using Canmore bags (2 to be precise), and a lot of
> | sheepskin before that, I have finally ordered a Ross cannister bag.
> |
> |

Chris.

Are you still playing the Rocket reeds? If you are then I can't see why you
would need a Ross Canister Bag to control moisture. Perhaps it's for moisture
control to the chanter reed?

When I played a Ross Canister with EZ's I unplugged the hose to the chanter as
it was really just the drone reeds that gave me moisture trouble. Now I'm
playing the Rockets with a sealed Ross bag and a small water trap. It's working
great for me and I'm a very wet blower.


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From: Ed Via <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Opinions on Reed Storage
Date: 15 Mar 2000 08:42:19 -0500

Todd,

I use reed protectors with my chanters, and never leave the chanter
attached to the pipe after playing. I generally try not to play for more
than about 30 minutes with any one reed/chanter, then I remove that
chanter and let it air dry for about 5-10 minutes, then cap it with a
protector. I've also drilled 4 holes in each reed protector, so the reed
can breathe a bit. When I'm done playing, the capped chanters go back in
the pipe box, which has a homemade humidifier in it. This allows the
reeds to dry, but not get too dry as long as they get played at least
every other day. I've never had a chanter reed get moldy on me, and I'm
a fairly wet blower, so the holes in the chanter caps must be allowing
enough drying to take place.

Ed


Todd Bircher wrote:

 (I guess due to the reed
> going from dry to wet).
>    I guess a reed protector that attaches to the chanter (so I don't have to
> take the reed out) would be the perfect compromise but even there it has a
> tendency to mold. Is that common? Is my logic on track here?  Thanks ...
> Todd

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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Korg AT-2 Tuner and the chanter
Date: 15 Mar 2000 13:48:32 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
Bob Smith <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Mark, is your AT2 a chromatic or a bagpipe version. You can only tune
the
> chanter easily with a proper bagpipe tuner.

That's not entirely true depending on what your intepretation of "easy"
is.  You can use a Korg CA-20 chromatic tuner, ($18), to tune a chanter.

Pat


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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Band Finances Question..........
Date: 15 Mar 2000 10:06:39 -0400

Am looking for "background information" on whether or not P/Ms are
remunerated for their services and just what services are provided
(instruction, etc.)    Band profile for which I am seeking information would
be a self supporting band, (no sponsor) doing 20 to 30 gigs per year and
possibly competing a wee bit in a lower grade (on a non interferance basis
with paying gigs !)

Don't particularly want to know name of band but country, band size, band
activities practices and instructional activities would help put it in
context.

I think direct posts would be better than broadcasting on NG and info
provided will not be "spread thru the community"

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Equipment vs ability (was Reeds)
Date: 15 Mar 2000 22:50:17 GMT

>the strike-in mode delivering a more rapid-than-normal-operating-rate
>airflow is necessesary in many pipes, or I'd say most pipes, and if
>the home-builder went overboard you'd end up I'm sure with steady
>drones once they get up, but getting them in and up might feel a bit
>logey.

I tried this today...giving my pipes a brisk businesslike strikein  instead of
the usual lazy "punchless" strikein I normally use.

Amazing!  They skipped the grumbling part and locked directly into tune.  I
went from dead silence to full drones..nothing bad sounding.

>Anyway, we'll have Zu out there with a handful of beaker-stoppers with
>little holes in them by the weekend and he can tell us how it works.
>

I'm using the moral equivalent of a stock with a .30" diameter hole in it,
instead of .78" as normal.  I could probably go smaller than that, but since
I'm doing this on the reed end I don't want to risk another coat on the stove
bolts.  Yeah, I could do the math but I don't feel like it tonight.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 15 Mar 2000 22:39:36 GMT

What does everybody pay to compete in solo piping events?

A few years ago, you just paid the normal games ticket price and that covered
all the events you wanted to compete in.  In the last couple of years, the
trend has been to have the gate ticket price cover either one or two events,
and if you want to compete in more events, you pay an additional few dollars.
Last season the competition entry fees ranged from about $8 on up to $15 (I
think) at Loon, with the average being about $12 or so.

The reason I ask, is that I recently got an entry form from the Red Bank NJ
games (coming up on 5/6) and the solo piping entry fee is $7 per event.  For a
total of $21.

I emailed the piping director and told him that his entry fees are out of
whack.  His response was that I always have the option not to compete there,
and that it costs a lot of money to put on a games.

This particular games never offered solo competitions before, and I think
somebody gave them bad advice on what to charge.  People should complain.  I
did, and I'm not even going.  It's a ripoff.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Steadiness and Reed Efficiency
Date: 15 Mar 2000 22:53:28 GMT

>But would you feel more air resistance? and flow rate through the drone reed?
>thus
>affecting pitch... and haven't you already adjusted the drone reed tongue to
>take
>a minimum amount of air?

Yes, I thought my reeds were efficient before I changed screws.  Turns out that
the screw change makes a heckuva lot more difference than anything I ever did
to a tongue.

And yes, the restricted airflow makes the drone tone very sharp for the same
length stove bolt (compared to original screw).  To get the drone tops back
down, I had to use bolts as long as 2" in some cases.

Ugly and silly looking, but they work like champs.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-shirt slogan contest
Date: 15 Mar 2000 22:55:09 GMT

>2.
>    "REED
>all about it!"

Bagpipes:
REED all about it!

Hmmmmmm!  Now you're talking

Zu

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From: Doug Campbell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Equipment vs ability (was Reeds)
Date: 15 Mar 2000 18:03:29 -0500

I have to say that I'm envious of those of you with that mechanical
wherewithal.  I read some of these threads and feel completely inept
(probably because I am).  The right side of my brain works just fine,
honest!  Remembering past lives, smelling the sound of the weather, no
problem.  But if I add a little hemp to a tuning slide I feel like I
just framed out a new room.  But God bless those of you that can sit
there with calipers and set screws and little PVC doodads.  You go
girls!   You invent it, and when the price comes down, I'll buy it!

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Need HELP:  with my setup
Date: 15 Mar 2000 23:05:14 GMT

>Can anyone tell me how to set my pipes so I can blow a real light chanter
>reed and set the drones to take as little air as possible?  This topic
>probably has been covered ad nauseum, but I missed it.  I WANT to blow
>a wuss reed.  Any suggestions?

No, you WANT an easy pipe setup, not necesssarily a wuss chanter reed.

Set your drone reeds up so they're as efficient as possible.  Make sure that
you're able to put more air into the bag than can get out, otherwise you'll
never blow steady.  Play an easy or a medium-easy chanter reed.  Make sure your
pipes are airtight and the bag feels like a football or a pumpkin under your
arm.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-shirts
Date: 15 Mar 2000 23:07:55 GMT

>Crenluath a Mach One
>Now THAT'S Fast!
>

Hmmmmm....; )

You're on the right track

Zu

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) RE: Queens Own Highlanders Standard Settings of Pipe Music
Date: 15 Mar 2000 23:13:54 GMT

In a previous article, Mark Cameron <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have been looking for the "Queens Own Highlanders Standard
>Settings of Pipe Music" (not the Cabar Feidh collection) but
>haven't been able to locate a copy anywhere.  I've been told
>that the music book is out of print but I was hoping that
>someone might know where a copy might still be obtained.
>
  As I recall, a lot of the tunes were straight from the Seaforth coll.
 which is back in print by Patterson's.
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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Lee Rocket Top-off Approach
Date: 16 Mar 2000 00:02:00 GMT

I've had several people interested in adjusting Lee Reeds to top-off.
At the risk off boring people with reed techniques only a few of us
need to know, here's what turned out to be my typically lengthy reply
to this:

The secret is, Mark plays at 50" of water which he considers "medium."
It's actually harder than harder than hell. The reeds strike in and
probably even top off at that pressure. The catch is, they operate
from about 15" to 60" in terms of not stopping and being efficient,
and they don't change tone much. So the usual test of adjusting the
bridle till it's got a little bit left doesn't work the way he sends
them.

The squealing tongue means generally it's too stiff or too stiff for
it's length, so you either lengthen the tongue or file it. You can't
send it back and get it rebent to run softer. It'll be softer, but it
also still squeal, because like I say, the tongue is too stiff, and
simple lowering the operating pressure isn't the problem as operating
pressure is almost meaningless with these reeds because they work over
so wide a range.

Start by taking an emory board and rolling the bridle off so you can
file just about the full length from 1/4" from the tip to at least
under where the bridle has been. Take a couple of passes off, test it
in you mouth without spearing a tonsil, while repositioning the bridle
to tune where it needs to. It should start to both blow in without
much or any squeal, and get to where it will stop off *with a finger*
but it will almost never just shut off from overblowing it even after
you file it a bit. Take a little off at a time. Mark has the bend
perfect in his stock configuration so I repeat, I wouldn't mess with
that at all. I would not get out the heat gun or send it back to Mark.
You're essentially custom milling these tongues now for your precise
instrument, something Mark should charge you about 200 bucks for if he
did it to the sort of tolerances he's fanatical about.

A little material makes a lot of difference so go at it easy and *do
one reed at a time.* Shut the others off.

You may not get a lazy man's strike-in, without pushing the bag at
all, but you will lose the characteristic forced-hammer-on strike to
get past the hoot every time. It's just a question of taking the
stiffness down to where that transient is lost, and it drops
immediately into the stable tone. There will remain a double-tone, but
it will not be as pronounced as before, and you will find the tone
absolutely sweet and ringing, even better than before. In the end, the
top-off will not be as absolute as other reeds, so you will not have
to back off much to get them to come back on again. Don't file past
this "shut off" point much just for insurance to "make sure" it stays
off. Even after this adjustment, they still will not act like every
other reed in this regard. They will always want to go on you a bit.
*Which is a good thing.*

Also, don't adjust your reeds this way until you've played the chanter
through practice. Adjust at the end of practice, not the beginning,
when the chanter reed is pitched and opened up and full.

One other item that will probably be indispensible--tuning wax. If you
want a sweeter tone and less air, you'll want to slide the bridles as
short as you can with Lee's hollow nose-cones. This will give you the
warmest tone as well. But the pitch will have to be further coaxed
down with a blob of beeswax/toilet seal wax mix or whatever because
you're going to shorten the tongue more than usual. You'll have to
experiment with a bit of wax at a time on the tip of the tongue,
dropping the pitch to where it needs to be *after* shortening the
tongue and/or filing it till it just stops off.

A clear way to look at this is to use the filing and bridle movement
to weaken the tongue so it tops-off, and strikes in without a hoot or
a punch. That's what that element does. You are going to shorten the
tongue after filing it a bit, till you get it to top off at your
desired blowing pressure. If that doesn't work, you're going to file
it another pass and try again until it tops off while sounding the
chanter good and full.

Filing the tongue both cures the squeal, and lowers the pitch a bit,
and also weakens the reed so it tops off. Shortening the bridle brings
the pitch back up but this may be sharper than you want to tune, and
in fact, will probably produce the best strike-in/top-off and tone
combination, where it is tuning very sharp of your chanter with the
top of the drone hanging on the end of the pin or beyond. Until you
get it to top off you should not care where if if it is tuning to your
chanter.

Once it starts topping off, you then simply start to wax down the
tongue to tune *exactly* where you want it on the pin. Once you have
some wax on it and it's sort-of topping-off, it will be easy to just
pop the drone out, file a bit more, play it, pop it out again, maybe
move the bridle, play it, maybe add wax, and so forth to fine-tune and
fine-adjust the pressure. When you get to this fine-adjustment point,
you'll want to make sure that the bridle is set long enough so the
tongue still double-tones at least a little, and the hooting is at a
minimum. You can in fact file these things so thin an shorten them so
much that they just plain don't double-tonel and aren't all that much
more stable than any other reed.

So the priorities go from just getting it to top-off, then getting it
to top-off and tune in position, then you start messing with the
bridle and *maybe* more filing to get an easy double-tone and no
squeal. Trust me, this order is very important, and if you try to skip
to the end all at once, you'll end up taking too much off and then
you're out of luck.

Do*not* attempt to match bridle positions. This will vary widely and
is meaningless. If you do outside tenor #1, and then try to make
inside tenor #2 look just like it you will probably ruin #2. Put the
bridle where it needs to be to adjust the operating or top-off
pressure. Then wax down to pitch. Follow the same routine for both
reeds, and in fact, don't even look at the first reed. Stick it in
there, cork it off, and don't even listen to it till you've got the
second tenor roughly topping off, then you should start tuning them
together, and topping them off together to see they both stay off at
about the same pressure, and you can even match tone a bit if one
seems louder or softer than the other if you want to, but you best bet
is to even forget that and just follow the procedure till the second
one tops of and strikes in and tunes, and if they don't both sound
exactly the same, well, that's what cane reeds were like anyway.

Now, if your reeds are not squealing on strike-in to begin with, you
may not have to file them at all. Just move the bridle to shorten the
tongue until it tops off, and wax the tip to tune it. If this
shortening then makes it start hooting a bit on strike-in, well, now
you will have to file a bit to compensate for the shorter tongue
length. If you've ordered a weak reed you may just need to wax and
shorten, but chances are, you will have to file a bit because Mark
adjusts strength by increasing the bend, not by milling down the
tongue.

If your bass tops-off, don't touch it of course, as this problem
mainly concerns the tenors.

After filing the tongue, or after moving the bridle or waxing it, it
will settle for the next couple of minutes but not much longer than
that. After that, if you need to adjust tuning position, add or remove
wax. Never move the bridles once you've got them topping off, unless
you change to a significantly harder reed.


Those of you GHB only players may be right now whining about what a
monumentally complicated and low-tech load of crap this whole
procedure is. The truth is, the GHB "synth" reed entered the scene in
a complete reed-tech vacuum. The smallpipe/UP and other pipe world
however, has been using exactly these procedures for hundreds of years
on reeds very much like the Lee Rockets. The bottom-line is, one-size
does not fit all, and if you want an essentially permanent reed to
perform flawlessly forever, it's worth some futzing around with
because once you're there, that's it till you retire.


Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross Cannister Bag
Date: 16 Mar 2000 00:23:18 GMT

On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:38:30 -0800, Stretch
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>I have been considering buying a Ross Canister bag, but I'm concerned
>that it may require more pressure to route the air through all of the
>hardware.  Has anyone noticed an increase in force required to play
>this system?  Thanks, Jim Kennedy

Haven't heard so much about that as the effect that all the
hose-routing can have on cut offs because backpressure doesn't
instantly dissipate when the bag goes flat, but has to make it out the
cannister throught the kitty-litter and all the hoses, to the drone
reeds can tend to hang for a second. The PM had a fix for that via
poking a small hole in the drone supply hoses near the base of the
stock. Not very big, not sure how big, since I'm not personally
playing a cannister. About an ice-pick's worth I think.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) North American Celti Arts Festival Gimme My Tickets!
Date: 16 Mar 2000 01:40:10 GMT

OK, so now I've got my tickets to the Battlefield band for me and my
wife, but she ordered her SFU concert tickets with her registration
for classes, and doesn't have that or her ticket to the ceilidh.

Anyone else who registered got theirs in the mail yet? Getting pretty
late....I'm on a plane in 6 days.

Royce

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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Dealers
Date: 15 Mar 2000 19:19:09 -0700

Or  you can get GREAT quality made pipes with a great guarantee AND all the
extras!!
Have you ever heard a set of Booth pipes?
Have you ever seen a set of Booth pipes?
Mabey you should.

Don
Beginnertunes wrote:

> Let's include C. E. Kron and Co in there too!
> You can't beat the workmanship, and are your best "under a $1000" buy (buy
> through Canada) and he doesn't need to throw in lots of extras to sell pipes,
> because he's selling GREAT quality made pipes, with a great guarantee.
> Scotia Aye!
> Bill
> What do playing the bagpipes, and throwing a Javelin while blindfolded have in
> common?
> You don't have to be good at either one to get peoples attention!

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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Equipment vs ability (was Reeds)
Date: 16 Mar 2000 02:28:59 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Royce Lerwick) wrote:

> Anyway, we'll have Zu out there with a handful of beaker-stoppers with
> little holes in them by the weekend and he can tell us how it works.

Probably take me two, though.  Maybe I'll give it a try.

Pat


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From: "Matthew Wood" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross Cannister Bag
Date: 16 Mar 2000 03:28:21 GMT

Mike,

I was there too.  I was playing the Ross canister with Wygents.  No
problems at all.  Reeds and drones were all quite dry.

I did not drain any water.  Just dried the Ross out for a bit and played a
few times that night and another parade the next day.

Everything was dry!  I would not trade the Ross Zipper for anything!  Even
the Rockets!  I would prefer dry reeds (especially the chanter reed any
day, I let a little moisture to the chanter by leaving a little of the
desiccant out of the canister).

I am supplying my pipers with Ross bags.  This weekend made more of them
believers in the Ross.


Matt Wood
McCoill Associates, Pipe Band Supply

M.R. Rapp <[e-mail]> wrote in article <[e-mail]>...
>
> Hi Bill,
> Our band played a parade this past Saturday...Rained all day the Hammers
> from H...,
> The rockets would not shut down, I drained a half cup of water out of the
> bag when I got home...Looking forward to the same weather in NYC this
> Friday,
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
>
>

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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 15 Mar 2000 23:12:16 -0400


Zudupiper wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>What does everybody pay to compete in solo piping
events?........etc......etc.......


Halifax Highland games   08 July 2000

Just in middle of updating last year's registration form for this year.
Entry fees:    Solo    $6.00CAN  per event
                      Open  $10.00CAN per event
                      Band  $25.00CAN

These have not changed since last year.....don't know how long they have
been set at these figures........I just joined the committee.

Without going into figures, in summer 1999 our Piping and Drumming
expenditures (prizes, band travel allowances, judges fees & accomodation &
travel for some plus administrative expenses) were THREE TIMES  the
registration fees collected !

Same thing for highland dancing !  ......and very similar for
heavyweights..............

David



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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 16 Mar 2000 04:27:41 GMT

dnimmo wrote:
> expenditures (prizes, band travel allowances, judges fees & accomodation &
> travel for some plus administrative expenses) were THREE TIMES  the
> registration fees collected !
>
> Same thing for highland dancing !  ......and very similar for
> heavyweights..............

Yes, but from a business standpoint, piping competitions, dancing and
weights are DRAWS for the event. People PAY to see these events. NO
piping, no dancing, no weights---who would go to a highland games/fair?
If one were to consider the professional sports model, competing pipers
should be paid to compete.

I hereby offer my piping competition services to any games for the
entry-level NFL player rate: $480,000 a year . . .

Andrew
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[e-mail]
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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) King of All Media
Date: 16 Mar 2000 00:50:39 -0500

Check it out:

http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/colbask/longterm/2000/men/stories/pool16.htm

And you thought I spent all my time reading rec.music.makers.bagpipe
...

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 16 Mar 2000 02:06:56 -0400


John Mitchell wrote in message <38d06483$1_4@127.0.0.1>...
>Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]> wrote in
>> NO piping, no dancing, no weights---who would go to a highland games?
>
>I'd go, all they have to do is put up a beer tent!
>
>If they build it, I will come! ;-)


RIGHT ON JOHN.............our band took a look at the whole
situation.....prizes, practices, etc..........and wondered how we could make
real money at the games............WE RUN THE BEER TENT  !

for Andrew & Kristen......don't shoot the messenger ! (but maybe you
aren't....I'm just to sensitive).............from the few Games where I have
been able to look behind the scenes......they ain't money makers.......if
they were you would see trade show and promotional companies trying to elbow
in on the action................successful games are a labour of love for a
very large number of unpaid behind the scenes volunteers who start on next
years games right after the dust settles on this
years.....................and even the best laid plans for a financially
viable event can  turn into a financial mess with a bad turn in the weather
!

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From: [e-mail] (SirJ1314)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North American Celti Arts Festival Gimme My Tickets!
Date: 16 Mar 2000 07:55:43 GMT

I talked to Dan yesterday and he said they were in the act of mailing the
tickets out.  You might want to call to make sure everything is ok just to be
on the safe side.  All I know is that it's going to be one heck of a weekend!
They came here last year with only 8 pipers and blew the house down.  They
packed the Wilkensens Center Ballroom way past it's capacity.  I mean, there
were people practicly hanging off the balcony!  They are going to blow the roof
off the Marriot Center.  The Ceilidh's going to be a blast too.  I sure hope we
get some layed back kitchen piping from the SFU boys.  Start greasing up your
fingers right now Jack, Alan, Ian, Andrew, Colin and all the rest of you!  Give
us a great show!  I'm pumped!

BTW, all this is taking place just a few minutes from my house, so if I can do
anything to help anyone who is coming from out of town just let me know.  I'd
be more than glad to help.

Cheers, John

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From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Please help feed my addiction
Date: 16 Mar 2000 11:20:50 GMT

>Hi!  I love the sound of bagpipes, and I am determined to learn how to play
>them myself, but I must admit I

A women came into band practise last light who wanted to join. She had been
self teaching herself.
We almost fell on the ground when she played Scotland the brave on the practise
chanter. BEEP BEEP   BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP  BEEP
She was only blowing the reed on each note, not through the tune.
That was a first!

Jim

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From: Bob Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Korg AT-2 Tuner and the chanter
Date: 16 Mar 2000 12:02:53 +0000

I got mine from Shepherd bagpipes. These are re-chiped and calibrated to meter
bagpipe scale perfectly. Iwould not be without mine.

Pat is correct you can tune using a chromatc tuner, you would be best to create
a graph showing the deviation from  the chromatic scale , its a hell of ajob and
not the easiest thing to take to band practice.

Buy the correct tool for the job and save yourself the headache, Bob.

Mark Jamieson wrote:

> Does anyone know how to use one of these things to check individual notes on
> a chanter (if it's possible at all)?  I've looked at the Korg site etc.. and
> not found anything that really tells me what I should be looking at.
>
> To elaborate, in my band there is a long running arguement that the bottom
> and top hands of our "adapted" Sheppard chanters are not "in synch" with
> each other  resulting in any harmonies always sound a little off  i.e. C to
> E, D to F etc..  Simple step by step instructions would be apprectiated as
> I've started to doubt my own ear!!  A bad state of affairs.
>
> Mark


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From: aberdeen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DEALERS! PLEASE READ THIS!
Date: 16 Mar 2000 17:49:39 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] wrote:
> i bought Donald MacLeod books 1 thru 5 not too long ago from aberdeen.
i
> think they might have some left.. i try to look for book 6, but no one
> seems to have that one.

Donald MacLeod Books 1 & 4 are out of print and according to the
publisher, there are no plans to reprint them.  We recently (in the last
month) sold our last 2 copies of these.  I think Paul contacted us just
a couple of days after we had sold them.

We currently have Books 2, 3, 5, and 6 in stock.

All the best,


Jim
--
Jim Hudgins
Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply
<http://www.AberdeenBagpipe.com>


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From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lee Rocket Top-off Approach
Date: 16 Mar 2000 19:26:06 GMT

Just a couple of observations, Dave.  Couldn't agree more with your cautions
about radically alterning the manufacturer's product.  Although the
procedures outlined may (and probably do) work, I would be uncomfortable
prescribing them (the modifications) as the preferred method of gaining
optimal performance from the reeds.

The concept of "manometers" and measuring pressure to determine reed
strength and steady blowing is foreign (if not comical and repulsive) to
many of us.  We were taught to listen and to play according to what we hear.
Plain and simple.  Reed strength is a personal issue.  Those who blow a
"bigger" bagpipe are often quite uncomfortable blowing a "weaker" bagpipe,
however the notion of actually measuring and referencing in calibrated
termonology  is just ... unnatural to us.  Might just be the "old dog, new
trick" syndrome.

Most of us purchase reeds with the expectation that radical modifications
will not be necessary in order to secure acceptable (or optimal) performance
and sound from them.  I'm not saying that this is right or wrong.  I'm just
stating what historical/traditional expectations have been.  The thought
would never occur to us to order a set of reeds for "my 1968 Henderson
drones, turned by Greg Sharpe, and set to a 39" manometer reading."  Perhaps
with the constant evolution of the GHB this is just another innovation that
will become the accepted norm.  All of which can lead us into another thread
about when is the GHB no longer the GHB?

I'm delighted that Mark's Rockets are gaining acceptance, if not preference,
by many top pipers.  I am sure that Mark and other reed makers will continue
to innovate to meet the requirements of fickle pipers everywhere.

Ringo



madman <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Royce really....you just destroyed your reeds.
>
> Your approach is rather crude.
> The strength of the reed tongue is determind by its BASE x thickness
> cubed.
> Even crudely filing off .0003 is going to have an enormous deliterious
> effect on performance....and you'll ruin the tongues if you're not
> careful.
> Get them milled professionally,and re-set if need be.
> Check your pressure on a manometer FFS.
> I always get  a chuckle when Mark Lee tells me how guys call him up and
> CLAIM that they're playing a true medium reed and then he sends out a
> set of reeds and
> they start bitching that they can't get them off the double tone.
> Check your pressure...a manometer doesn't lie.
> Get the reeds set at a 16" double tone,that'll take you up to 48" of
> water before shut-off.
>
> The fact of the matter is that *your* reeds were one of the original
> first sets
> that were made,and somehow in translation of *your* operating pressure,
> and Marks idea of operating pressure(really high like 50" on a
> manometer),
> your set was made harder than the pressure you play at.
> You could just send the reeds back ,and have them re-set to a  normal
> operating pressure(like setting the double tone at 18",which would allow
> for
> a complete shut-off at about 48"....a  LOT of leeway).
>
> This is not even an issue with Lee reeds.
> Its an issue with your set,which really, you just should have sent back
> and have them eased down a bit.
>
> There is absolutely,emphatically,absolutely NO squealing or no-topping
> off when
> the pressure is set correctly for the pressure of the player.
>
> All of this shit about not being able to top them off or having them
> squeal on strike-in is being propagated by guys who started loaning out
> sets that WERE MADE WITH A
> SPECIFIC PRESSURE AND BAGPIPE in mind,and then when they loan them out
> to another guy WHO PLAYS AT A DIFFERENT PRESSURE the guy whos borrowing
> the set starts whining and puning about shit that is a non-issue.
> Since the reeds only have a few user-friendly parameters,they get all
> bent out of shape that they don't have the knowledge or expertise to
> adjust the reeds on the fly,
> or use centuries old techniques on a state-of-the art design.
> Too bad.Check your pressure.
>
> Check your pressure on a manometer,don't guess,and don't loan out custom
> reeds,
> custom made with custom specs,tolerances,and custom operating-pressures.
>
> Listen to Gillies,Cusack and Livingstone,..guys playing at the top
> levels of competition
> and playing Lee Rockets...There is no fooking squealing and shit!
> They know what pressure they play at and they don't loan out their
> custom reeds,
> or take an emory board to them.
>
> Hey Mike and Alasdair..check this shit out!



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From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Bagpipe Horror Story
Date: 16 Mar 2000 20:19:14 GMT

From time to time we see a post asking which "brand" (cringe) of pipes is
best, or we will see someone either recommending or slamming this or that
make of pipe.  If you're like most pipers, you might not know what to look
for in a bagpipe.  Certainly it would be rare to find an "ordinary" piper
with the eye of a craftsman.

I recently returned from a business/pleasure trip that saw me in PA, NJ, and
CT.  Because of work demands, I didn't get to see everyone I wanted to,
however I did spend a day in Milford CT with a good friend, followed up by a
pub night in Manchester CT.  I took advantage of the opportunity to play,
talk, and study bagpipes, all in the company of old and new friends.

One fellow was brought to me with a set of pipes he had bought about a year
ago.  Of course, they were playing "stump Ringo".  I was to guess what kind
of pipes they were.  I took one look and immediately became more curious.
This bagpipe was completely unplayable.  None of the larger bores (tuning
chambers and stocks) were concentric!  It was impossible to get an airtight
fit in any of the stocks!  Ferules were either falling off or ill fitting
(concentric ferules fitted over non-concentric wood).  Some had been
hammered on and diminished the bore at that point.  Other parts had split
and had been replaced.  In short, the pipe was crap!

I was completely embarassed that a well-known maker would have sold such an
abomination!  The owner had purchased the set directly from the manufactuer,
who had obviously taken advantage of the buyer's limited knowledge.

Here is my point.  If you're a first or second time buyer, purchase your
bagpipe through a reputable dealer.  Get the dealer to go through the
instrument piece by piece with you.  Look for consistencies throughout:
1) are similar pieces the same length and OD (tenor tops, bottoms, pins)
2) are bores identical (tenor tuning chambers, bushings)
3) are bores consistent (no restriction at ferule)
4) are ferules fitted evenly and snugly
5) are OD's concentric (rotate it in your hand)
6) are ferules flush with wood
7) are pieces straight (no warps)

The owner purchased the bagpipe direct from the manufacturer over a year
ago, so replacement or adjustment is improbable.  He had tried to play the
pipe a few times, however couldn't keep the wind in them (small wonder).
The only suitable place for the bagpipe was over a fireplace, or in the
fireplace!

Now, everybody is going to be bugging me about the maker.  Forget it!  The
pipes were made a year ago and for all I know the maker has already cleaned
up his/her act.  Maybe it was just one bad set.  Who knows.  What I do hope
is that buyers will heed the advice given herein and that those offending
makers will get the word through reduced sales.

Good Piping
Ringo



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From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lee Rocket Top-off Approach
Date: 16 Mar 2000 20:31:14 GMT

Bill, we aren't going to disagree on anything here.  I'm not slamming
manometers!  I'm just stating that most of us "old farts" have never used
them and probably don't see the value in them.  That's not good or bad.
It's just where we're coming from.  'member Bill.  I always say "You won't
find the answers here, just clues to the answers!"  I was really making the
point that I couldn't imagine myself ordering a set of reeds according to
PSI or barometiric pressure or average rainfall or anything else scientific.
Just the kind of guy I am!

By the way, enjoyed the company of your brother in Manchester.  You guy's
fight much as kids?  Just kiddin'.  Got your note and sorry I missed you,
although I did encounter car trouble in Mass on the trip home.  Couple
scarey moments but limped home to St Catharines as the sun came up.

Ringo

Beginnertunes <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> >I am sure that Mark and other reed makers will continue
> >to innovate to meet the requirements of fickle pipers everywhere.
> >
> >Ringo
>
> Ringo,
> Where did that come from? I agree with almost everything you say, EXCEPT
the
> part about manometers. Do you feel stronger on some days than others? Do
some
> things just "go right" on some days, while others are more stressful? I
> strongly believe (perhaps wrongfully so) that on a "good day" you'd
probably
> blow a higher pressure reading with less effort, than on a bad day. The
> difference is, you've been doing it for so long that you know how to
adjust
> yourself to blow good, steady tone anyday regardless of how you feel, BY
> LISTENING (and knowing what changes to make)  to how you sound at any
given
> time.
> But please don't accuse these braniacs of over analyzing the GHB, because
it
> makes for some great print.
> Scotia Aye!
> Bill
> What do playing the bagpipes, and throwing a Javelin while blindfolded
have in
> common?
> You don't have to be good at either one to get peoples attention!



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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 16 Mar 2000 22:54:55 GMT

>While I am agree that paying $21 dollars to compete may seem a
>little high, it is important to remember that it is still in the opening
>stages.

Which is why I pointed out to the piping director that his entry fees are 50%
above the highest I've ever paid.  Maybe he got bad advice or something.

In my private email to him, I called this a "reality check".  His reply was
essentially unprintable.  So the reality check bounced.

>Remember if you do not want to pay, you
>can always stay home....

I can and I will.  But the point of all this is that if a games is going to
charge a ridiculous amount for solo entries, they should have some clue.

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From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bagpipe Horror Story
Date: 16 Mar 2000 23:02:38 GMT

Jim, the buyer went back to the manufacturer to replace the cracked stocks,
but to my knowledge he has not gone back with respect to other problems.
Honestly, he didn't understand bagpipes and wasn't aware that those items I
pointed out were problems at all.  I am assisting him to remedy the
situation.
aberdeen <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:8arm8g$9k8$[e-mail]...
> Even if the pipes were bought over a year ago, a reputable dealer or
> manufacturer should be willing to make some kind of concession with the
> fellow.  Unless the pipes were tampered with or mistreated severely by
> the owner, the problems you describe sound like they are the result of
> unseasoned wood and/or poor workmanship. Assuming that to be the case,
> I'd think the maker would do something to keep satisfied customers out
> there.  He might want satisfied customers badly enough that he'd make
> some kind of allowance on a new set, or repair the original set.
>
> I'm curious.  Has he attempted to contact the maker to see what he is
> willing to do about the pipes?
>
> All the best,
>
> Jim
>
>
> In article <6lbA4.44402$[e-mail]>,
> "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >
> > One fellow was brought to me with a set of pipes he had bought about a
> year
> > ago. Of course, they were playing "stump Ringo". I was to guess what
> kind
> > of pipes they were. I took one look and immediately became more
> curious.
> > This bagpipe was completely unplayable. None of the larger bores
> (tuning
> > chambers and stocks) were concentric! It was impossible to get an
> airtight
> > fit in any of the stocks! Ferules were either falling off or ill
> fitting
> > (concentric ferules fitted over non-concentric wood). Some had been
> > hammered on and diminished the bore at that point. Other parts had
> split
> > and had been replaced. In short, the pipe was crap!
> >
> > I was completely embarassed that a well-known maker would have sold
> such an
> > abomination! The owner had purchased the set directly from the
> manufactuer,
> > who had obviously taken advantage of the buyer's limited knowledge.
> >
> > Here is my point. If you're a first or second time buyer, purchase
> your
> > bagpipe through a reputable dealer. Get the dealer to go through the
> > instrument piece by piece with you. Look for consistencies throughout:
> > 1) are similar pieces the same length and OD (tenor tops, bottoms,
> pins)
> > 2) are bores identical (tenor tuning chambers, bushings)
> > 3) are bores consistent (no restriction at ferule)
> > 4) are ferules fitted evenly and snugly
> > 5) are OD's concentric (rotate it in your hand)
> > 6) are ferules flush with wood
> > 7) are pieces straight (no warps)
> >
> > The owner purchased the bagpipe direct from the manufacturer over a
> year
> > ago, so replacement or adjustment is improbable. He had tried to play
> the
> > pipe a few times, however couldn't keep the wind in them (small
> wonder).
> > The only suitable place for the bagpipe was over a fireplace, or in
> the
> > fireplace!
> >
> > Now, everybody is going to be bugging me about the maker. Forget it!
> The
> > pipes were made a year ago and for all I know the maker has already
> cleaned
> > up his/her act. Maybe it was just one bad set. Who knows. What I do
> hope
> > is that buyers will heed the advice given herein and that those
> offending
> > makers will get the word through reduced sales.
> >
> > Good Piping
> > Ringo
> >
> >
> --
> Jim Hudgins
> Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply
> <http://www.AberdeenBagpipe.com>
>
>
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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DEALERS! PLEASE READ THIS!
Date: 16 Mar 2000 16:34:44 -0700

How much are they, I would like to buy one of each.

Don

aberdeen wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]>,
> [e-mail] wrote:
> > i bought Donald MacLeod books 1 thru 5 not too long ago from aberdeen.
> i
> > think they might have some left.. i try to look for book 6, but no one
> > seems to have that one.
>
> Donald MacLeod Books 1 & 4 are out of print and according to the
> publisher, there are no plans to reprint them.  We recently (in the last
> month) sold our last 2 copies of these.  I think Paul contacted us just
> a couple of days after we had sold them.
>
> We currently have Books 2, 3, 5, and 6 in stock.
>
> All the best,
>
> Jim
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> Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply
> <http://www.AberdeenBagpipe.com>
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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pipe chanter reeds
Date: 16 Mar 2000 16:28:12 -0700

Sandy St. James's Generic name reeds are fantastic!!!  Most consistant
durable reed I have ever found, and they sound great.

Don

Firdude391 wrote:

> looking for good pipe chanter reeds any recommendation?

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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 17 Mar 2000 02:46:29 GMT

dnimmo wrote:
> >Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]> wrote in
> >> NO piping, no dancing, no weights---who would go to a highland games?

> for Andrew & Kristen......don't shoot the messenger ! (but maybe you
> aren't....I'm just to sensitive).............from the few Games where I have
> been able to look behind the scenes......they ain't money makers.......
[-snip-]
> David

No shooting here, David! ;-)

I definitely understand the highland games financial issues. The
Monterey, CA games were bumped a couple months earlier due to pressure
from the fair grounds this year, they wanted to put something else in
(to make more money). The smaller Loch Lomond, CA games went to a one
day event last year after they lost money the previous year.

So yes, I understand the financials. Just my point was that pipers are a
draw, so you want more of them---usually by charging less not more. More
pipers, more draw. That is, until the "law of diminishing returns" comes
in . . . beyond a point, it makes no difference how many pipers you have
in terms of pleasing a crowd. Economically speaking, once a games is
getting more pipers than they "need" to draw ticket buyers, they can
raise the entry fee to reduce demand or to just pull in more money.

Andrew
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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Modifying PC reeds
Date: 17 Mar 2000 02:54:52 GMT

If you cut a little off the tips of a PC reed it makes it higher, no?

I have a new PC reed (the longer kind) that has little holes (defects
looks like) at the top and it's currently sounding really flat when I
get up past 'E'. Sounds great for low G through E, are the holes the culprit?

I'm wondering if anyone has messed with these with any success.

Thanks,
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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New Pipe Band in Chicago
Date: 17 Mar 2000 03:19:05 GMT

In article <38d05674_1@127.0.0.1>,
"John Mitchell" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> >...We are looking to
> > compete Grade 4 as well as to go and have good clean fun!

> What can you offer, that isn't already available in the immediate
area?
>
> John Mitchell

Maybe it has to do with the idealistic and often rare quality of "good
clean fun".

Pat


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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lee Rocket Top-off Approach
Date: 17 Mar 2000 03:26:35 GMT

In article <mwbA4.69973$[e-mail]>,
"Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Bill, we aren't going to disagree on anything here. I'm not slamming
> manometers! I'm just stating that most of us "old farts" have never
used
> them and probably don't see the value in them.

Don't use a manometer?  No problem.  I also use the Higgins, Gilmour,
or Shepherd scale.  If a piper tells me he plays a medium Higgins
chanter reed right out of the box, that's close enough.

"Medium" is the most difficult strength to nail down.  A medium in
Liverpool is a ball-buster anywhere else.

I've found 99% of the pipers, to whom I've sent reeds, quite willing to
send reeds back if pitch, strength, or timbre aren't on target.  The
other 1% reside north of the border.

> I was really making the
> point that I couldn't imagine myself ordering a set of reeds
according to
> PSI or barometiric pressure or average rainfall or anything else
scientific.
> Just the kind of guy I am!

Would you order a pair of shoes through the mail and not send them back
if they didn't fit?  Of course, if you don't specify a shoe size,
they'll likely not fit on the first try.

Would you expect the same make of chanter reed to perform equally well
in different makes of chanters?

My reeds don't do well in some makes of pipes - and so, I don't make
reeds for certain makes of pipes.  They do, however, perform
particularly well in other makes.

An unfortunate reality is that a piper will, sometimes, opt for an
instrument based upon budget alone.  Another unfortunate reality is
that many current production instruments don't give the piper much
choice, tonally.  Try taking the edge off of those drones fitted with
huge-ID bushes and small bottom-joint bores.  No matter what you do, it
still sounds like a diesel horn.

Obviously, the best answer is to have reeds fitted to drones at the
maker's shop.  The next best answer is to work with the maker to get
the reeds set up the way you want.  If the piper isn't willing to
maintain a dialog with the maker, he'll have to put up with what he's
got.

On the other hand, if the maker gets wind that the piper does nothing
but slag his product (within the piper's very small circle of
influence), then the maker would likely prefer to recover the reeds and
get them into someone else's hands.

Mark


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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 16 Mar 2000 23:42:39 -0400


Andrew & Kristen Lenz wrote in message
<[e-mail]>...
>>
>I definitely understand the highland games financial issues. The
>Monterey, CA games were bumped a couple months earlier due to pressure
>from the fair grounds this year, they wanted to put something else in
>(to make more money). The smaller Loch Lomond, CA games went to a one
>day event last year after they lost money the previous year.
>
>So yes, I understand the financials. Just my point was that pipers are a
>draw, so you want more of them---usually by charging less not more. More
>pipers, more draw. That is, until the "law of diminishing returns" comes
>in . . . beyond a point, it makes no difference how many pipers you have
>in terms of pleasing a crowd. Economically speaking, once a games is
>getting more pipers than they "need" to draw ticket buyers, they can
>raise the entry fee to reduce demand or to just pull in more money.


Hmmm......food for thought..........we (our games committee) have spoken
about what to do to "help the games grow"  with the hope of gaining a good
reputation and attracting more gate revenue.

I had assumed, correct me on this one, that solos will come if they want to
compete,.... period.  In other words, there is nothing we can do to entice
more solos.(besides being well organized and on schedule)

On the other hand, bands MAY be attracted if we increase the travel
allowances...........more bands equals  bigger massed bands equals  more
hype for the spectators...........equals bigger games

I had not thought of the cumulative expense to solo competitors who are
active on the circuit.......will have to throw this on the table at the next
games committee meeting !.....but as stated elsewhere,  it's still a lot
cheaper than enrolling your kid in hockey !    (I'm going to get flak on
this one methinks).........

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From: aberdeen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bagpipe Horror Story
Date: 16 Mar 2000 22:12:37 GMT

Even if the pipes were bought over a year ago, a reputable dealer or
manufacturer should be willing to make some kind of concession with the
fellow.  Unless the pipes were tampered with or mistreated severely by
the owner, the problems you describe sound like they are the result of
unseasoned wood and/or poor workmanship. Assuming that to be the case,
I'd think the maker would do something to keep satisfied customers out
there.  He might want satisfied customers badly enough that he'd make
some kind of allowance on a new set, or repair the original set.

I'm curious.  Has he attempted to contact the maker to see what he is
willing to do about the pipes?

All the best,

Jim


In article <6lbA4.44402$[e-mail]>,
"Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>
> One fellow was brought to me with a set of pipes he had bought about a
year
> ago. Of course, they were playing "stump Ringo". I was to guess what
kind
> of pipes they were. I took one look and immediately became more
curious.
> This bagpipe was completely unplayable. None of the larger bores
(tuning
> chambers and stocks) were concentric! It was impossible to get an
airtight
> fit in any of the stocks! Ferules were either falling off or ill
fitting
> (concentric ferules fitted over non-concentric wood). Some had been
> hammered on and diminished the bore at that point. Other parts had
split
> and had been replaced. In short, the pipe was crap!
>
> I was completely embarassed that a well-known maker would have sold
such an
> abomination! The owner had purchased the set directly from the
manufactuer,
> who had obviously taken advantage of the buyer's limited knowledge.
>
> Here is my point. If you're a first or second time buyer, purchase
your
> bagpipe through a reputable dealer. Get the dealer to go through the
> instrument piece by piece with you. Look for consistencies throughout:
> 1) are similar pieces the same length and OD (tenor tops, bottoms,
pins)
> 2) are bores identical (tenor tuning chambers, bushings)
> 3) are bores consistent (no restriction at ferule)
> 4) are ferules fitted evenly and snugly
> 5) are OD's concentric (rotate it in your hand)
> 6) are ferules flush with wood
> 7) are pieces straight (no warps)
>
> The owner purchased the bagpipe direct from the manufacturer over a
year
> ago, so replacement or adjustment is improbable. He had tried to play
the
> pipe a few times, however couldn't keep the wind in them (small
wonder).
> The only suitable place for the bagpipe was over a fireplace, or in
the
> fireplace!
>
> Now, everybody is going to be bugging me about the maker. Forget it!
The
> pipes were made a year ago and for all I know the maker has already
cleaned
> up his/her act. Maybe it was just one bad set. Who knows. What I do
hope
> is that buyers will heed the advice given herein and that those
offending
> makers will get the word through reduced sales.
>
> Good Piping
> Ringo
>
>
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Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply
<http://www.AberdeenBagpipe.com>


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From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 17 Mar 2000 04:11:22 GMT

Sheesham wood pipes, pakistani made, typical pakistani bagpipe, Brass ,
caps ferrules, nickel? or plated slides, and Cocus wood mounts (like
boxwood) Brass tubing fitted in the tuning section of the drones, The
lower sections of the drones have polished bores, (Which I thaught was
NOT possible), but they are still pakistani size bores.  Junk bag, junk
chanter, no reeds, no bag cover, or cords (I kept the silk cords).

I was fooling around with the bores earlier and puting brass tubing in
it to size it to a set of Booth pipes, but I dont even want to bother
with it, if you want the tubing I will send it with the wallmount pipes.
Im sure they could be made playable, but why bother with this set?  They
are however better than some of the stuff ive seen on ebay.
I baught the pipes for $150 (plus shipping), im selling them for $150
and I will pay the shipping.
I recieved the pipes last week from Pakistan, they made a huge mistake
on the order.
Instead of sending me my Booth Scottish copy, they sent me a cheap crap
pipe.
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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 17 Mar 2000 05:26:41 GMT

dnimmo wrote:
> I had assumed, correct me on this one, that solos will come if they want to
> compete,.... period.  In other words, there is nothing we can do to entice
> more solos.(besides being well organized and on schedule)

Two things.

One, the cost of entry can be minimal compared to travel costs, loss of
work, lodging, etc. So as a percentage a slightly higher (~$10?)
probably won't make any difference in most cases (not all, see Dave/Zu's
post earlier).

Two, pipers generally are a cheap lot. It is a luxury/entertainment
thing after all. Most pipers are not in it for the money. As a luxury
item, entry fees, if they exceed a certain threshold, also exceed
expendable income or perceived value. And won't be purchased.

For the "local" piper, with a lot of games available, if costs become an
issue, obviously the most expensive games is a good candidate to be
dropped, unless there's a big advantage to attending the particular
games (meeting high ranking pipers, seeing a particular band perform,
etc.) Entry fees are a higher percentage obviously if there is no
lodging and minimal travel expenses.

> On the other hand, bands MAY be attracted if we increase the travel
> allowances...........more bands equals  bigger massed bands equals more
> hype for the spectators...........equals bigger games

Given the choice between a band or a solo piper, I'd have to go with the
band also. Band members are generally not in it for the money either,
but there's the practical side of "How are we going to pay for travel
expenses??". You just have to break the "it's worth it" threshold with
allowances. What that is may take years to determine and will increase
each year! (Constant moving target.)

> I had not thought of the cumulative expense to solo competitors who are
> active on the circuit.......will have to throw this on the table at the next
> games committee meeting !.....but as stated elsewhere,  it's still a lot
> cheaper than enrolling your kid in hockey !    (I'm going to get flak on
> this one methinks).........

Hockey's a little rare in California and my son's only three, so I can't
be much help there! ;-) My wife thinks piping is expensive (lessons,
seminars, etc.) but she was the one that got me into piping in the first
place! "Your grandmother will be soooo happy if you learn to play your
grandfather's pipes." Little did she know . . . ;-)

Andrew
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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: King of All Media
Date: 17 Mar 2000 06:52:04 -0500

On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:01:07 -0500, "John Mitchell"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>ccc31807 <[e-mail]> wrote in
>>
>> And it's nice to see some positive press about piping. Our hero,
>> Chris Hamilton, taking a little break from wheezing and
>> squeezing to add $5,000,000 to the economy.
>
>It's nothing of the sort, it was just an elaborate excuse to stiff me
>for our luncheon meeting at Dulles Airport on Monday.

Dude, I felt so bad about that!  But it is March, and It's Madness!
has seized me by the throat ... haven't even blown a pipe all week!

I figure the management would have been a bit upset if I left the
office for a three-hour beer-swilling lunch date in the middle of our
biggest week of the year    :-p

>So Chris, which brother of yours works for the Washington Post? ;-)

Ben Bradlee ... NOT !

>BTW, you could have just used the old "I'm busy at work routine",
>but I'll give you credit for this wopper of a tail.
>Besides, who really cares about that boring
>Canadian game anyway?(Basket Ball)

I'm not much of a basketball fan, but come April, I'll live and die by
my Pittsburgh Pirates ... also time for free Full Count Fantasy
Baseball - www.sandbox.com  --  still time to join!

(coudn't resist some free advertising there)

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Ed Via <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: King of All Media
Date: 17 Mar 2000 08:42:40 -0500

Chris,

All I can say is . . . BOO YEAH!! :*)

Ed Via


Chris Hamilton wrote:
>
> Check it out:
>
> http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/colbask/longterm/2000/men/stories/pool16.htm
>
> And you thought I spent all my time reading rec.music.makers.bagpipe
> ...
>
> Chris
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Ed Via <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: REEDS
Date: 17 Mar 2000 08:54:00 -0500

They work real well in my Gibson PC. A bit mellower and quieter than the
reeds Gibson makes himself. I like both the Gibson and the Abbott PC
reeds. I find I like playing the Gibson reed when playing with others
(very good volume and tone), and the Abbott when I'm practicing my piob
stuff.


woober wrote:
>
> Anyone hear anything about Abbott practice chanter reeds,let us know, Mike

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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 17 Mar 2000 09:27:30 -0400


John Mitchell wrote in message <38d1c281$1_1@127.0.0.1>...

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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New Pipe Band in Chicago
Date: 17 Mar 2000 14:39:23 GMT

In article <38d1bf58$1_5@127.0.0.1>,
"John Mitchell" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> oshpiper <[e-mail]> wrote in
> >
> > Maybe it has to do with the idealistic and often rare quality of
"good
> > clean fun".
> >
> > Pat
>
> Ah for fuck sakes then, don't ever go into competition!
>
> I call it "good clean fun", when everyone strips down
> to their birthday suits and hoses each other with the
> hotel fire extinguishers.
>
> If you want "good clean fun", then go to the Sunday school Picnic
> with your Easter baskets in hand, but beware they might have
> an Easter egg competition.

I rest my case.

Pat


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From: aberdeen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 17 Mar 2000 15:22:30 GMT

You're on track, Zu. If competition fees are too high, pipers will stay
away in droves.
Not too long ago, a competition here in Texas decided that the
individual competition wasn't a money making operation (big surprize
there). So they decided to increas the price of competing in each
event AND charge the normal ticket price as the general public to get in
the gates.
Guess what. They still didn't make money on the individual piping
competition (I suppose they just learned a lesson in what economists
call elasticity of demand).
Anyway, the next decision was to make the games more like a festival
without piping competition and that's where it is now.
The problem which many have is that in many parts of the country, there
isn't a good alternative nearby. You may be able to choose among a few
sites on the same day all within a drive of a couple of hours or so.
For people who live in many parts of the country, with only a couple of
games offered all year within reasonable driving distance the problem
is even greater.
Maybe, when they see that others like you aren't willing to pay for
competing at their games, some reasonable mind will take over and meet
the price of neighboring games.
Good luck,

Jim




In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:
> What does everybody pay to compete in solo piping events?
>
> A few years ago, you just paid the normal games ticket price and that
covered
> all the events you wanted to compete in. In the last couple of years,
the
> trend has been to have the gate ticket price cover either one or two
events,
> and if you want to compete in more events, you pay an additional few
dollars.
> Last season the competition entry fees ranged from about $8 on up to
$15 (I
> think) at Loon, with the average being about $12 or so.
>
> The reason I ask, is that I recently got an entry form from the Red
Bank NJ
> games (coming up on 5/6) and the solo piping entry fee is $7 per
event. For a
> total of $21.
>
> I emailed the piping director and told him that his entry fees are out
of
> whack. His response was that I always have the option not to compete
there,
> and that it costs a lot of money to put on a games.
>
> This particular games never offered solo competitions before, and I
think
> somebody gave them bad advice on what to charge. People should
complain. I
> did, and I'm not even going. It's a ripoff.
>
> Zu
>
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From: aberdeen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DEALERS! PLEASE READ THIS!
Date: 17 Mar 2000 15:37:25 GMT

Latest update.

 Donald MacLeod Book 1 has just been reprinted.  We've got some on order
and they should be here in about a week.
Book 4 will be reprinted in the not-too-distant future and I'll let the
newsgroup know when that happens.

Books 2,3,5 and 6 are still in print and available.  We have a
pretty good stock of most of them, but recently sold the last of Book 6.

It has been ordered and should arrive at the same time as the Book 1.

All the best,

Jim



In article <[e-mail]>,
Paul Gretton <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I'm looking for Donald MacLeod's books 1 and 4. They're out of print.
Do
> any of you dealers out there have them in stock?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul Gretton
>
> *****Present mirth hath present laughter.(Twelfth Night)*****
>
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From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lee Rocket Top-off Approach
Date: 17 Mar 2000 16:42:09 GMT

Mark, all very valid comments.  The concept of sending reeds back to be
adjusted by the maker just isn't something that most of us would have
thought about a short while ago.  We would get a set of reeds (either cane
or synthetic) and generally play and tweak until we got them just right.

The nature of your reeds requires that they be manufactured and adjusted (by
the manufacturer) specifically for a particular bagpipe and piper.  This is
not a bad thing.  It's simply "different" from what most of us are
accustomed to.  I think that if your reed was "plug and play" in a broader
sense, it would increase its appeal.  However that is not the case, nor do
you represent it as such.  Your reed is being marketed as a custom product.
From what I have experienced and from what I have been told, it's strong
points are two-fold:
1) sound
2) "wet" performance

These are great assets to have in your favour and I would not be distracted
by detractors.  I would, however, separate those who are constructive in
their views from those who are not.

In one sense, Mark, your reed is identical to other reeds, either cane or
synthetic.  We have all heard about those drones that are "difficult to
reed."   In my experience, some drones just will not accept some reeds.
That is the nature of the beast.  Your statement that some reeds will not
perform in some drones is a reality that all reed makers (and pipers) should
acknowledge.

I'll sign off by stating how happy I am that your reeds are catching on.
From a "sound" perspective, I believe that you have pushed the standard very
high, and I am of the opinion that only one other synthetic reed has tonal
qualities to match The Rocket.  Even over these last few months you have
improved your product by introduction of new materials.  Well done, Mark.  I
think that all of us continue to expect great things from you and your
Rockets!

Ringo

<[e-mail]> wrote in message news:8as8l8$mht$[e-mail]...
> In article <mwbA4.69973$[e-mail]>,
> "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Bill, we aren't going to disagree on anything here. I'm not slamming
> > manometers! I'm just stating that most of us "old farts" have never
> used
> > them and probably don't see the value in them.
>
> Don't use a manometer?  No problem.  I also use the Higgins, Gilmour,
> or Shepherd scale.  If a piper tells me he plays a medium Higgins
> chanter reed right out of the box, that's close enough.
>
> "Medium" is the most difficult strength to nail down.  A medium in
> Liverpool is a ball-buster anywhere else.
>
> I've found 99% of the pipers, to whom I've sent reeds, quite willing to
> send reeds back if pitch, strength, or timbre aren't on target.  The
> other 1% reside north of the border.
>
> > I was really making the
> > point that I couldn't imagine myself ordering a set of reeds
> according to
> > PSI or barometiric pressure or average rainfall or anything else
> scientific.
> > Just the kind of guy I am!
>
> Would you order a pair of shoes through the mail and not send them back
> if they didn't fit?  Of course, if you don't specify a shoe size,
> they'll likely not fit on the first try.
>
> Would you expect the same make of chanter reed to perform equally well
> in different makes of chanters?
>
> My reeds don't do well in some makes of pipes - and so, I don't make
> reeds for certain makes of pipes.  They do, however, perform
> particularly well in other makes.
>
> An unfortunate reality is that a piper will, sometimes, opt for an
> instrument based upon budget alone.  Another unfortunate reality is
> that many current production instruments don't give the piper much
> choice, tonally.  Try taking the edge off of those drones fitted with
> huge-ID bushes and small bottom-joint bores.  No matter what you do, it
> still sounds like a diesel horn.
>
> Obviously, the best answer is to have reeds fitted to drones at the
> maker's shop.  The next best answer is to work with the maker to get
> the reeds set up the way you want.  If the piper isn't willing to
> maintain a dialog with the maker, he'll have to put up with what he's
> got.
>
> On the other hand, if the maker gets wind that the piper does nothing
> but slag his product (within the piper's very small circle of
> influence), then the maker would likely prefer to recover the reeds and
> get them into someone else's hands.
>
> Mark
>
>
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From: "Ewan A. Macpherson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: chanters vs other woodwind
Date: 17 Mar 2000 13:03:12 -0500

James Stewart wrote:

> but the modern pipe chanter is made for and fine tuned to an equal
> temperment scale.

This is not correct.  A pipe chanter in ET sounds horrible against the drones.

See:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~emacpher/pipes/acoustics/hearscales.html
to listen to various synthesized scales and for a link to tuning data
from the Piping Centre Recital CDs.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) RE: DEALERS! PLEASE READ THIS!
Date: 17 Mar 2000 19:56:50 GMT

In a previous article, ccc31807 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>, Paul Gretton
><[e-mail]> wrote:
>>I'm looking for Donald MacLeod's books 1 and 4. They're out of
>print. Do
>>any of you dealers out there have them in stock?
>
>Please excuse my ignorance, but why do you want these books? Is
>it particular tunes, a style of tune, the identity of the
>compiler or composer, or something else? There are many, many
>books on the market, so many that you can't learn all the tunes
>in but a few, and I really wonder why a series old enough to be
>out of print would be sought after.
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   Well -- probably because the ratio of tunes to crap was much better
in the old books, presumably because they were more expensive to produce.
These days you get a music formatting program and Xerox machine and
you can put out your own book - with nobody to tell you what it's
full of.

chris

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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DEALERS! PLEASE READ THIS!
Date: 17 Mar 2000 14:59:33 -0500

On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:47:12 -0800, ccc31807
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>, Paul Gretton
><[e-mail]> wrote:
>>I'm looking for Donald MacLeod's books 1 and 4. They're out of
>print. Do
>>any of you dealers out there have them in stock?
>
>Please excuse my ignorance, but why do you want these books? Is
>it particular tunes, a style of tune, the identity of the
>compiler or composer, or something else? There are many, many
>books on the market, so many that you can't learn all the tunes
>in but a few, and I really wonder why a series old enough to be
>out of print would be sought after.

Ummm, we're talking about Donald MacLeod here, IMO the greatest pipe
music composer of all time.  "Classic" tunes - Susan MacLeod,
Knightswood Ceilidh, Butterfingers, on and on.  And great
re-arrangements of older tunes like Cabar Feidh (jig), Cameronian
Rant, etc.

MacLeod's been dead for 20 years, the books are possibly as old as 40
- 50 years and they're still as good as any.  Great tunes by a great
player.  What's not to like?

Chris
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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Looking for Sandy Gordon
Date: 17 Mar 2000 16:09:00 -0400

Not the tune...............the person.

Former P/M of  Grade 2,  Saint Andrews Society Pipe Band of Fredericton,
N.B.................I think he is still a member of said band, just not the
P/M any more.

Anybody got Sandy's e-mail address........or does he have one?

tnx in advance............David



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: chanters vs other woodwind
Date: 17 Mar 2000 20:20:29 GMT

In article <onaA4.4380$[e-mail]>,
"KH" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I've been considering this subject. However, even though wind
> instrumentalists use a tuner set to equal temperament as a starting
> point for playing in tune, we don't actually play an equal tempered
> scale when playing with other wind instruments. When we play with
> keyboard instruments we adjust to the keyboard's temperament but we
> certainly don't have to do that in band or orchestra or in a chamber
> group. I certainly play the third or the fifth of a chord so that it
> "rings" and sounds right. On a piano, these intervals are slightly
> "out" (the third's a bit to wide) to fit the equal temperament. I
> believe that the tuning system we use is "just intonation".  For
> centuries until Bach, keyboard instruments used something
> closer to this than equal temperament. The only problem was that it
> only sounded good in just a few related key signatures.  Equal
> temperament was the best compromise so that all 12 key centers were
> tolerable. I'm constructing a low D whistle and I realized that
> utilizing a tuner set to equal temperment to adjust the holes would
> not give me desirable results.  Fortunately the tuner I was using was
> capable of being adjusted to several alternative tunings.

For a while before equal temperament was common, there was a vogue of
producing keyboard instruments that had more than one black key between
each of the white keys, in an effort to allow you to play something
close to just temperamet in most key signatures.  I think I've heard
of keyboard instruments with as many as 4 or 5 black keys between each
white key, though usually there were only 2 or 3.  There was an article
about these old keyboard instruments a while back in one of the general
press "literary" magazines like the Atlantic or Harper's or New Yorker;
I'm not sure I can locate it now.  It was an interesting read.

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 17 Mar 2000 23:46:46 GMT

> Look at Shrewsbury, if you enter 3 events it's 8$ PER event!

Look closer at Shrewsbury.  For grade 4 and 5 pipers, it's $8 *TOTAL*.  For
Manchester, which is run by the same folks, it's $8 for grades 4 & 5, and $10
for grades 3 and above.

>Nobodys getting rich even at DOUBLE the
>normal entry fees.

That's not my point.

>But some games are better organized than others

True, very true.  But I don't think there's a correlation between
organizational ability and competition fees.  If there was, I'd pay a
surcharge! ; )

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 17 Mar 2000 23:50:46 GMT

>Several years ago, I quit going to Altamont, NY when they charged admission
>AND
>entry fee - for solo pipers.  Dancers got a ticket in, as did band members,
>but
>not solo pipers - so I quit going.

Hmmm, just the reverse happened last year.  I entered for solos, and my entry
fee got me a ticket to the gate for Sat.  But then I was part of a pickup band
for Beers & Cheers on Sunday, and I had to pay to get in.

Everybody got it back a couple weeks later when the travel money came in.  B&C
is a good deal....costs $100 to enter, and every band is guaranteed $300.
Since we're a pickup band we're never in the prize list, but it's lots of fun.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 18 Mar 2000 00:01:57 GMT

>I had not thought of the cumulative expense to solo competitors who are
>active on the circuit.......

And that's another good point.

It's not just the getting there, it's the gigs you have to pass up to compete
at a games.  Especially certain weekends, like Labor Day and Columbus Day.
Those are big wedding weekends, and I usually do a couple of weddings each of
those weekends.  $200+ per gig, and if I have a choice to stay home and play 2
gigs, or go compete at a games, it can be a tough call depending how I'm doing
that year in solos.

A "local" games in New England takes up most of the day.  There's about 6 of
those, and there are another half dozen that mean taking Friday off work to get
there, and a hotel and food while you're there.

But most of the games are a lot of fun.  There are a lot of new games this
year, for some reason, so there's more opportunity to compete.  And more
chances to make up for the competitions I miss due to gigs.

You can also look at it this way...one gig pays for a weekend at the games.

Zu


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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DEALERS! PLEASE READ THIS!
Date: 18 Mar 2000 00:06:43 GMT

The two excellent points in this thread are:

1. Why are old books better?  Signal to noise ratio is a lot higher for some
reason, and it's probably because of the printing costs back then.  Makes
sense.

2. Donald MacLeod is one of the most musical pipers I've ever heard.  Yes, a
lot of his tunes are published elsewhere, but not nearly all of them.  I was
tickled when I finally found a used set of his books.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: shuttle vs fireside
Date: 18 Mar 2000 00:16:44 GMT

>I'm kicking around the idea of getting a set of Walsh shuttle
>pipes or Gibson fireside pipes.
>

There's also the Zetland pipes.  Completely different animal...in D, with GHB
drone reeds in both chanter and drone.  Sounds something between smallpipes and
uilleans.

I don't really like the sound of the shuttle pipes, although lots of people do.
 They're frustrating at first, and once you get over the learning curve, you've
got what amounts to the sound of 3 practice chanters.  Or 4, if you get the
3-drone model.

I like the firesides for some of the reasons previously mentioned.

I haven't checked the prices lately...it used to be that
Firesides>Zetlands>shutttles, but I think they're more equal now.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Blowpipe Valves: General discussion
Date: 13 Mar 2000 23:36:06 GMT

On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:37:25 -0500, madman <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>oshpiper wrote:
>> This must be similar to the Cushing "Bore Mhor" valve.
>>
>
>Not to be confused with the Glubh Mhor bagpipe.

Or the "Boor More" pipe makers who make them.

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From: aberdeen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Has anyone got bagpipe writer gold or finale 2000
Date: 14 Mar 2000 15:04:46 GMT

In article <8ads6c$mdm$[e-mail]>,
"Matthew Griffiths" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Could anyone send me a copy of either bagpipe writer gold or finale
2000 to
> write drum/bagpipe scores.By the way I am now playing at Phoenix P.B.
> Manchester England.And will see you at the coming season.
> Cheers
>

We generally keep both in stock and ready for shipment.  You can order
directly from our web site.  However, you might get PipeWriter quicker
if you order directly from the company which wrote it since they are on
your side.

All the best,

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From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 18 Mar 2000 02:26:09 GMT

Beginnertunes wrote:
>
> > im selling them for $150
> >and I will pay the shipping.
>
> I bid 75$. (rmmb-bay style) I'll pay the shipping.
>

They send this pipe to the other customers, so it was a Big mistake when
they sent it to me.  They send me the decent pipes.
$75,$75, DO I HEAR $80??
Mike

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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-shirts
Date: 14 Mar 2000 18:49:16 -0700

This one has my vote!!

Don

James Stewart wrote:

> BAGPIPER
> You gotta problem
> with that?

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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DEALERS! PLEASE READ THIS!
Date: 17 Mar 2000 20:59:39 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
ccc31807 <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Please excuse my ignorance, but why do you want these books? Is
> it particular tunes, a style of tune, the identity of the
> compiler or composer, or something else? There are many, many
> books on the market, so many that you can't learn all the tunes
> in but a few, and I really wonder why a series old enough to be
> out of print would be sought after.

The "book" question has been addressed.  But, you really need to listen
to a tape of Donald McLeod's playing to understand the rest of the
story.

Pat


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From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 18 Mar 2000 06:05:06 GMT

Mike Le Boeuf wrote:
>
> Beginnertunes wrote:
> >
> > > im selling them for $150
> > >and I will pay the shipping.
> >
> > I bid 75$. (rmmb-bay style) I'll pay the shipping.
> >
>
> They send this pipe to the other customers, so it was a Big mistake when
> they sent it to me.  They send me the decent pipes.
> $75,$75, DO I HEAR $80??
> Mike

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From: Ed Via <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: John Richardson
Date: 14 Mar 2000 08:50:29 -0500

I'm quite saddened to hear this, Bonnie. I didn't know your husband
personally, but he and I shared a few emails about piping (what else!)
when I was first getting started, and he was generous with his
information, and understanding of my ignorance. I'm sure he'll be sorely
missed, and I'll play a tune in his memory tonight.

Ed Via


John Richardson wrote:
>
> I don't know if any of you knew my husband, John Richardson, but I
> wanted to post and let you know that he went to Heaven on March 7th at
> 1:00 in the morning.  He ahd absolutely no pain whatsoever and at
> peace.  John lost his rather long fight with cancer and will be sorley
> missed by all who knew him.  For to truly know John was to love him,
> for he was an extremely intellegent man and, at times, was very hard
> for people to understnad him.
>
> If you would like to know about the memorial service(s) planned you
> may e-mail personally at his address:
> [e-mail]
>
> Sincerely,
> Bonnie Richardson

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 18 Mar 2000 19:16:57 GMT

>You just don't get it, do you Zu!
>

Get what?

; )

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DEALERS! PLEASE READ THIS!
Date: 18 Mar 2000 19:27:03 GMT

>Seems to me that over a long period of time, say a century or
>so, the better settings would assert themselves.

Have you looked at the way pipe settings were written a hundred years ago?  You
get tons of obsolete gracings.

Even in pipe music printed 50-60 years ago, the pointing is almost entirely
missing.

Sure, we play pipe chunes that are old; in the case of 79th's Farewell to
Gibraltar, it dates to about 1850.  I've seen this in a reprint of a
contemporary book (1880's), and it's almost unintelligible to pipers of today
because of the obsolete gracings and lack of pointing.

I think what's happening is a process of "dumbing down" the settings by making
them more explicitly pointed and more standardized as to gracings.

David Glen's collection is full of a lot of obscure tunes.  I have a hard time
telling the crap ones from the good ones because of having to translate the
tunes into a modern format.

The better *tunes* survive and continue to be played, but the *settings* evolve
with time, and we seem to have lost the ability to interpret the settings of
older tunes.

Zu

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From: Don Robertson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) A tragic death
Date: 18 Mar 2000 14:54:11 -0800

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
   I just wanted to report the tragic death of my dear Uncle,
Pattie Murphy. While working above the fermenting tanks at the St. James
Gate Guinness brewery, he fell into the tank and drowned. His dear wife
knew there was something wrong when her Pattie didn't come home straight
away from the brewery. They were devoted to each other. When she saw the
brewery foreman comming to her house she started sobbing bitterly knowing
full well that some thing dreadful had happened. Finally she managed to
pull herself together enough to ask the foreman of the condition of her
dear Pat. With a tear in his eye, the foreman told her that Pat had fallen
into the fermenting tank and drowned. Between the sobs she asked if he
suffered badly. The foreman reassured her that they didn't think Pat suffered
too bad at all, since he did manage to crawl out three times to pee.
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From: "Tim Sullivan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) David Naill DN6's at eBay
Date: 18 Mar 2000 23:21:09 GMT

Decided to sell these, and I was curious if non-Pakistani pipes would get
any attention.

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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 18 Mar 2000 18:06:01 -0700

Here we go again! Get a new set and give them a look and a listen would you!
We could go on for hours on some of your earlier sets.

Don

madman wrote:

> Mike Le Boeuf wrote
> > Instead of sending me my Booth Scottish copy, they sent me a cheap crap
> > pipe.
>
> Sounds like they made a very accurate copy.

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cigar Tubes
Date: 19 Mar 2000 01:52:19 GMT

>Holy Smoke!

Muuuhahaha!

; )

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cigar Tubes
Date: 19 Mar 2000 01:56:06 GMT

...update: Cigar tube concept doesn't work at all in the chanter stock.
Presumably because of the higher pressure needed for the chanter reed.

It made things worse, much worse.  To get the chanter to speak at all, I had to
overblow so much that all the drones shut off.

I think I'm proving madman right (yet again) about the venturi chanter stock.
At least by proving the converse doesn't work.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 19 Mar 2000 02:14:51 GMT

>So what is the true monetary costs to compete?
>As they say in the commercial:
>
>Cost of entry fees, $21.00
>Cost of motel,       $85.00
>Cost for tranport,  $35.00
>Cost of lost income $200.00
>
>Cost of winning a medal for a job well done.  $PRICELESS!
>
>Zu loses!

Okay, I'll accept that as a cogent, reasoned argument.  I thought that's what
you were getting at before.  It's not really about the money, but it's not as
simple as all that either.

I did mention that my own gig-versus- competition decision depends on a number
of things.

1.  How am I doing?  If I'm finishing at the bottom of the pack consistently,
there's not a lot of incentive to go out of my way to compete until I fix
whatever problems are keeping me out of the prizes.  Might as well stay home
and make some cash playing STB and simple stuff.

2. Regardless of #1 above, do I *want* to compete?  If it's an early season
games, you betcha.  If I think I've improved since last time out, you betcha.
OTOH, At some times of the year there are games every other weekend. 2 weeks
isn't enough time to fix major problems, if that's what I'm having.

3. Is it a games I particularly like, or is there some other reason that I want
to go to the games?  Some games I like more than others, for whatever reason.
Some games I just won't miss out on, other games are less of a favorite and I
don't mind passing them up.

4. Let's be mercenary for a minute.  Sometimes we all need a little extra cash.
 Several times I've been registered to compete at games, and a funeral or some
other last-minute gig comes in.  You can't do both.  Sometimes I have to go for
the money.

Remember, I'm not in a band.  So I'm not letting anybody down if I decide not
to compete.

It's not like I'm a teenager either, who's on the fast track to grade 1 and
who's in a band and goes to lots of games anyway so he might as well compete.
Teenagers have parents who drive them, pay for everything, they don't have to
work, etc etc etc.

Oh and BTW, you left out the cost of food and beer ; )

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From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Please help feed my addiction
Date: 19 Mar 2000 02:30:33 GMT

> self teaching herself.
>> We almost fell on the ground when she played Scotland the brave on the
>practise
>> chanter. BEEP BEEP   BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP  BEEP
>> She was only blowing the reed on each note, not through the tune.
>> That was a first!
>
>So, did ya sign her up? LOL

Nah, didn't look like she had the lungs for it anyway!

You are a bad influence John!

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 19 Mar 2000 02:51:51 GMT

>The cost of missing out on the fun and laughter at the games $irreplaceable!
>

Naw, you just go to the NEXT games and see the same people, have fun, etc etc
etc.

It's like being on the pro golf circuit.  I see the same pipers at most of the
games, no matter where the games are, and I see these guys more than I see my
next door neighbors.

It's a strange world we pipers live in.

Zu

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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Kids and D chanters.......
Date: 18 Mar 2000 23:37:16 -0400

Although I have never seen one, it is my understanding that one of the minor
problems with instruments in the key of D is that the holes are very close,
almost too close together.

This being the case, it would appear logical that kids of small stature, and
wee hands, might better be introduced to D practice chanters and moved to
our normal chanters when hands have sprouted.

Presumably, the instructor would have to have a D practice chanter as well.

Has anybody tried this ?  Is it feasible ?  If not why not ?

I have a 9 year old grandson who loves drooling down my blowpipe trying to
keep a couple of drones going, but it was a couple of years before we
realized that a gluten allergy was stunting his growth.  Problem is solved
and he is now sprouting,  but he is currently small for his age.

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From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) JOHN!!!!! Where were you?!?!?
Date: 19 Mar 2000 00:18:47 -0500

Okay, John Mitchell!!! Where were you when I needed you today?!?!??! GEEZ!
This weekend has been horrendous for the band! There were 9 gigs yesterday,
I did 5 and went home. Joe :) :) :) .  . . . I won't tell on you :) :) But
you did look a little dazed today at the parade . . which brings me to the
problem that I had today! You see, it was 84 + degrees today (John, you left
a little too soon!). There wasn't a cloud in the sky and the parade was 3
miles long . .. you were blessed at the last one :) While playing yesterday,
I made sure that my chanter was capped between each of the gigs and my reed
held out beautifully during the day. This morning, I started to warm up and
tune and had a problem with my drones blowing out! All THREE would blow out
at the same time! I really tried hard to get them to stay in but if I eased
off of the blowing/squeezing, the chanter would cut out! Now this is the
same set up that we had when you left, it worked fine yesterday and today
was just a nightmare! I did the whole parade without drones!!!! I loaned the
set of SM-90's to my friend for the gigs yesterday and today. I asked her
about half way through the parade how her drones were doing. She said
"GREAT!" LOL! I told her that I would have to buy a set like hers because
mine were miserable! When I got home, I pulled Angus apart to check on
things and everything was bone dry!!! Not a hint of moisture on anything!
What's the deal?!?!?!? I know that *I* almost passed out from the heat .  .
. . it took almost an hour and a half to get my face back to a normal colour
so I'm wondering if it was just the heat?!?!? There is low humidity at the
moment too. Geez . .. I can't wait for tomorrow's parade!!! THAT one should
just finish me off!

I got all of the pictures back and will scan some next week to put up on the
web page! John . .. you are priceless!!!!! ROTFLOL!!!!!!! Does that give you
an idea of what's coming? And there is the one of you at the pool . .. .
feet dangling in the water . . . shirt unbuttoned . .. . are you booking the
one-way ticket yet?!?! :)
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From: Dan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 18 Mar 2000 22:28:15 -0700

Mike Le Boeuf wrote:
>
> Mike Le Boeuf wrote:
> >
> > Beginnertunes wrote:
> > >
> > > > im selling them for $150
> > > >and I will pay the shipping.
> > >
> > > I bid 75$. (rmmb-bay style) I'll pay the shipping.
> > >
> >
> > They send this pipe to the other customers, so it was a Big mistake when
> > they sent it to me.  They send me the decent pipes.
> > $75,$75, DO I HEAR $80??
> > Mike
>
> ~-Going Once!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll bid $80

the wife want's the for the wall...

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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cigar Tubes
Date: 19 Mar 2000 05:38:04 GMT

Zudupiper wrote:
> So I drilled an 1/8" hole in the end of each tube, fattened the tube up a
> little with some electrical tape, and tried them out.
>
> Works like a champ.  Steadier, smoother tone, and takes less air.

So let me get this straight. You stuck these things in the end of the
drones where you'd normally plug them up with corks on the very top end
right? Wouldn't this reduce the sound volume?

Zu, you're pulling everyone's leg aren't you?

I can see it next time:

"I found that if you take a red button (the kind with four holes) and
tape it to the slider inside the drone, you get unbelievable tone. I
tried them out and the piping judge cried it sounded so good. But wait,
then I tried a little chewing gum, but it has to be the
cinnamon-flavored kind . . ."

Andrew
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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New vs Old chanters for Piobaireachd
Date: 19 Mar 2000 19:01:37 GMT

In article <38d50b1e_3@127.0.0.1>,
"John Mitchell" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I consider my pitch really flat when
the
> tuning
> position has moved up 1/4" on the tuning pin, and that's with any
chanter.

Lets clear this one up for you John.  You consider your pitch "flat"
when the dog next door stops howling.  Actually, it's not "flat" it's
simply lower pitched.  There is nothing amatuer-ish about this question.
I'd like to hear other players/judges opinions on this issue.

So why don't you and I just step back on this one for a while and see
where it goes, eh?

Pat






> If your's is going up by 1 1/2", then you have some serious problems
in
> determining what is an acceptable pitch.
>
> If you were in Scotland, they wouldn't even allow anyone on the boards
> with that kind of pitch, it would be a complete waste of time for both
> the player and the judge.
>
> > Why would you want to know this? Is my question transparently
purile?
>
> I was trying to determine what level you were at. A good experienced
> player wouldn't have to ask the question, and an inexperienced player
> might be forgiven for not having developed an ear for tone yet.
> My next question is , What grade level do you compete at?
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ROCKET DRONES
Date: 19 Mar 2000 19:04:34 GMT

In article <38d50c98_4@127.0.0.1>,
"John Mitchell" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Mark must be making drones now to match the reeds.
>
> This could truly be used as an instrument of war. ;-)
>
> I wonder if you would still be allowed to take them on the plane?

So long as launcher and drone aren't co-located.

Mark


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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: valve staple
Date: 19 Mar 2000 16:06:41 -0400


John Mitchell wrote in message <38d50503$1_5@127.0.0.1>...
>ccc31807 <[e-mail]> wrote in
>> Yesterday, the staple on my valve self destructed. The rubber
>> flapper part is in great shape and can be used again. All that's
>> gone is the staple.
>>
>> Anyone got any ideas for copper material to make a staple?
>
>How about another piece of copper strip. ;-)


Correct me if I am wrong.......I often am........but I think a new one is
less than $3.00 CAN......which is about 87 cents
American.....................

now...if you join with Zu and spend Saturday afternoons repairing the valve
rather than going to the games and competing.......between  the two of you,
you will save a fortune !

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From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 19 Mar 2000 21:31:57 GMT

Beginnertunes wrote:
>
> >And for the Paki pipes, $80 has been bid by a 'Dan', do I hear $85?
>
> 85$ here!
>
> >I have seen Krons pipes from pipers in a band in the CA Bay area, they
> >are nice pipes, I also like the booth pipes.  I think our members baught
> >them when they are $900 per set
>
> I paid $920 for our set. Buy through Canada and you can get them for that price
> due to the exchange rate.
> Scotia Aye!
> Bill
> What do playing the bagpipes, and throwing a Javelin while blindfolded have in
> common?
> You don't have to be good at either one to get peoples attention!

Thanks for that note.
$85, do I hear $90?
Mike

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From: "Todd Bircher" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Moldy chanter reeds
Date: 19 Mar 2000 21:39:40 GMT

Monty,
   I've had the same problems. Check out the post titled "Opinions on Reed
Storage" dated 3/14. Since then I drilled two small holes in my reed
protector which allows in a little air...enough to let it breathe without
drying completely out and so far so good. Also, I now leave the reed (in the
chanter) out for 1/2 the time I played and then put on the reed protector.
I'll let you know if the mold starts up again but it looks like this is
gonna work.
   Hope this helps.  Todd

"montyp34" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:8b3437$fis$[e-mail]...
> I seem to be having endless problems with reed storage.
>
> I have about a dozen brand new chanter reeds.
> I was storing them in the fridge but moved them out of there and now keep
them
> in my pipe case, with my pipes, with 2 guitar humidifiers.
> I have the reeds stored between 2 pieces of foam rubber.
>
> Last night I looked at them and about half of them have black spots on
them
> which I assume is mold.
>
> Are the reeds ruined?
> How should I get the mold off and how do I keep it off?
>
> Any tips are greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks



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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Titanic Theme Song
Date: 19 Mar 2000 14:40:41 -0900

James Stewart wrote:

> Ah yes, "My Heart Will Go On and On and On and On and On and On On and On
> and On and On and On
>  and On and On and On and On and On and On and On and On and On and On and
> On and On  and On and On and On and On and On and On and On and On  and On
> and On and On and On On and On and On and On and On On and On and On and On
> and On On and On and On and On and On On and On and (Are we there yet, Dad?)
> On and On and On On and On and On and On and On and On and On and On and On
> On and On and On and On and On."

If I hear that song one more time, My Lunch Will Go On (The Floor)...

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From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 19 Mar 2000 09:23:16 GMT

sdon wrote:
>
> Here we go again! Get a new set and give them a look and a listen would you!
> We could go on for hours on some of your earlier sets.
>
> Don
>
> madman wrote:
>
> > Mike Le Boeuf wrote
> > > Instead of sending me my Booth Scottish copy, they sent me a cheap crap
> > > pipe.
> >
> > Sounds like they made a very accurate copy.
>
> --
> PIPER AT LARGE ([e-mail])
> White Peaks Pipe Band
> http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html

I have a very nice set of Booth pipes.  They are an early set, Full
imitation Ivory, and Chrome Slides, and damn great sounding drones.
This is why I want more like it, but I cant afford it and most members
in my band cant.
About 6 pipers in my band have Booth pipes, and they all sound very good
and I play a booth copy (you cant tell the differance in tone).
The other sets that are played are Shepherd (Probably the worst of
them), 2 old Hardie's.  I have nothing against shepherd, but once in a
while 'some' pipe makers tend to put out Bum pipes.
I wont be happy untill everyone in our band plays Booths, it is much
eiser to tune the band when we play the same pipes, chanters, and reeds.

I have seen Krons pipes from pipers in a band in the CA Bay area, they
are nice pipes, I also like the booth pipes.  I think our members baught
them when they are $900 per set with all of the accessories, and a
warnok chanter.  It would be nice to also have the band play Krons, but
the pipers are willing to spend $900.00 or so for a set that matches
everyone elses, and sinclair chanters.  Booths and Sinclairs go well
togather.
I think we have 3-4 poly Warnok chanters, anyone intrested?

And for the Paki pipes, $80 has been bid by a 'Dan', do I hear $85?
Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cigar Tubes
Date: 20 Mar 2000 01:29:50 GMT

>So let me get this straight. You stuck these things in the end of the
>drones where you'd normally plug them up with corks on the very top end
>right?

No, I wasn't clear about that.  I inserted the cigar tubes into the drone
STOCKS.  The Garcia & Vega tubes I had are a perfect fit into the Dunbar
plastic drones but are too big for the Krons.

I think for the Krons you'd need to step down to a Panatela (the kind that
comes in a blue-green tube).

The tubes extend down past the end of the stocks by about a half inch or so
into the bag, which makes it handy to remove them, but also makes strikeins
more of an exact science.

Picture this.  Take a drone (any one) out of the stock, keep the reed attached
to it, and insert a cigar tube over the reed (sort of like a condom).  Hold
tight to the place where the cigar tube meets the end of the drone (they're
about the same size, so make aure you get a good seal) and blow through the
cigar tube.  It works.  There is a slight difference in tone.

not so much of an air savings as an increase in steadiness.

>Wouldn't this reduce the sound volume?

Actually, it does a wee bit.  But the Dunbars were annoyingly loud to begin
with, and now they're just about right.

So right, in fact, that I think I'm going to compete with those pipes at Loch
Norman.  I'm doing that at the start of a 10-day vacation and I really don't
want to have to worry about traveling with my good pipes.  I'll be using my
"real" chanter, though, instead of the plastic WarMac...

>Zu, you're pulling everyone's leg aren't you?

I can see why you'd think so, but no.  Not this time.  however, beware of
whatever I post on or about 4/1. ; )

>"I found that if you take a red button (the kind with four holes) and
>tape it to the slider inside the drone

No, that only works on Paki drones....

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 20 Mar 2000 01:46:48 GMT

>Also, you left out the opportunity to be a part of someone's
>life forever. You play at someone's wedding or funeral or
>similar event, those people will remember you for the rest of
>their lives, and appreciate the fact that you contributed
>something valuable to the occasion.

And sometimes, it's nice to be the best piper in the house.  Sometimes you have
to be the ONLY piper in the house for this to happen ; )

>Winning a medal - $PRICELESS

Yes.

>Being a part of someone's memories forever - $PRICELESS

Hmmm....we do get jaded as we go along and it ceases to mean as much to us as
it does to the people we pipe for.  But yes, the people will always remember
that there was a piper at the wedding/ funeral/ whatever.

Sometimes people send me thank-you notes after the event, saying how much they
appreciated my playing....and that's after they paid me, and in some cases even
tipped me to boot.

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From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 20 Mar 2000 01:54:00 GMT

Beginnertunes wrote:
>
> >> I paid $920 for our set.
>
> Set of Krons that is...
> Scotia Aye!
> Bill
> What do playing the bagpipes, and throwing a Javelin while blindfolded have in
> common?
> You don't have to be good at either one to get peoples attention!

Ohh ok, I thaught it was booth.
actually our pipers started buying Booth pipes with Sinclair chanters
before we even knew about Krons.

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New vs Old chanters for Piobaireachd
Date: 20 Mar 2000 01:59:53 GMT

>I consider my pitch really flat when the
>tuning
>position has moved up 1/4" on the tuning pin, and that's with any chanter.
>If your's is going up by 1 1/2",

There's a TON of variables to consider here.  Tuning-pin-position by itself is
NOT an indicator of much of anything, and only a gross indicator of relative
pitch.  you have to look at the whole drone/reed system.

Tuning pin position depends on lots of things....pressure, tone, reed
configuration to name a few.

My drone tops tune at 1/8"-1/4" above the hemp line for the tenors.  That's on
my favorite set of pipes at modern pitch.  The casual observer can see that,
but he can't see what's buried in my drone stocks.

What I play for reeds looks ludicrous, but sounds great.  They're retongued
Wygents with an overhemped reedseat end to get about another 1/4" tuning room,
and a ridiculous red stove bolt that extends on the other end anywhere from 1"
to 1.75".  So my reeds are effectively 2" (minimum) longer than off-the-shelf
Wygents.

If they weren't, the drone tops would have to tune somewhere in the ionosphere.

I decide where I want my drone tops to tune, and then finagle the reed
configuration to achieve that.

That's what it sounds like the original poster needs to do...make a couple sets
of extender tubes and attach whichever one works best with the particular
chanter in use at the time.

For myself, I notice a BIG tonal difference in a 1/4" delta position on the
drone tops.  A 1.5" delta is the equivalent of the whole hempage on the pins.

There are many other ways to skin a cat.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New vs Old chanters for Piobaireachd
Date: 20 Mar 2000 02:02:35 GMT

>If you were in Scotland, they wouldn't even allow anyone on the boards
>with that kind of pitch, it would be a complete waste of time for both
>the player and the judge.

Probably true, but only because it's such an unexpected pitch.  It's going to
sound eccentric, even if it sounds good.

A few years I listened to somebody play a piob in competition on a special set
of A-440 pipes.  It was just bizarre sounding, and the piper didn't end up in
the prize list.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Dr. MacInnes (Hornpipe)
Date: 20 Mar 2000 02:12:26 GMT

I want to learn a hornpipe, but a lot of them are pretty technique-heavy.  I
was browsing through the Donald MacLeod books and found this one.  It doesn't
seem too forbidding, and I've heard the tune before.

Does anybody play it these days?

And while we're talking hornpipes, how come they're so hard to find in the
older books?  Lots of books have either none at all, or only a couple.  But the
newer books have lots of them.

What's a good "classic" HP to learn as a starter tune?  If such a thing
exists....

Thanks,

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: valve staple
Date: 20 Mar 2000 02:06:08 GMT

>now...if you join with Zu and spend Saturday afternoons repairing the valve
>rather than going to the games and competing.......

I dinna *repair* them, I make new ones myself.  Sigh.  I don't do it to save a
buck or two...I do it for the pride of craftsmanship and because I can.
Because it isn't hard at all.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Musunderstood Tune Names
Date: 20 Mar 2000 02:14:58 GMT

>Here
>are some I made up:
>

Masterful!

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band Confusion...
Date: 20 Mar 2000 02:26:03 GMT

>but unfortunately those not involved in pipe bands may confused
>great bands for horrible street bands.

For parade purposes, few people are going to tell the difference, especially on
St Paddy's Day.  To the Great Unwashed, the best pipe band is the one with the
feather bonnets and hair sporrans and spats.

Besides, good bands usually have a "street" band and a "competition" band.  So
if a parade is billed as having, say, the Worcester Kilties, it's most likely
going to be their "parade" band and probably not the Grade 2 unit.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-shirt slogan contest
Date: 20 Mar 2000 02:20:38 GMT

>ARE THESE SHIRTS GOING TO BE MADE AN IF SO HOW DO I GET ONE AN HOW MUCH
>?????

>> My parents went to Scotland
>> and all I got was this bagpipe!
>>

If they get made, I'll probably make them, they'll probably cost $18 apiece
incl shipping (like the other ones), and I'll have to have at least a dozen
made to make it feasible.

If you think you can sell about 6 of them, or if anybody else wants one like
this, email me privately and we'll talk.

This is how the famous Funeral shirts got started...

Zu

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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Dr. MacInnes (Hornpipe)
Date: 19 Mar 2000 23:47:45 -0400


Zudupiper wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>I want to learn a hornpipe, but a lot of them are pretty technique-heavy.

If you can get a copy.....I'm not sure it's published (yet)......Bob
Worrall's hornpipe entitled  "Ann Gray"..............one of the prettiest
tunes I have heard.......extremely musical at any speed ......ie. it sounds
good when played slowly .....so you can enjoy it right from the start.......

If it is published I would think it will be in Bob's latest book, or Ann's
first book which is either just coming out or has just come out.

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From: [e-mail] (SirJ1314)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Dr. MacInnes (Hornpipe)
Date: 20 Mar 2000 05:08:43 GMT

<And while we're talking hornpipes, how come they're so hard to find in the
older books?  Lots of books have either none at all, or only a couple.  But the
newer books have lots of them.>

This is my theory.  Hornpipes used to be played mostly for dancing.  Today,
hornpipes are used mosty for showing off how fast your fingers can go in front
of other pipers.  There are only a handful of good classic hornpipes.  On the
other hand, there are many hundreds more that are for the latter purpose.  A
lot of hornpipes today are nothing more than a bunch of jumbled notes played
very round at break neck speed.  Sure, they sound real cool when played well,
but a lot lack musicality.  And you don't really need to be some brilliant
composer like Donald MacLeod or G.S. Maclennan to write a tune like that.
Hornpipes just serve a different purpose today than they used to and they are a
lot more popular now.  So now days you get a lot of composers writing a lot of
hornpipes with not always a great deal of thought going into all of them.
Don't get me wrong, I love this new breed of hornpipes and I know there are a
lot of GREAT composers today that write a lot of great tunes.  But I think the
great ones are just fewer and farther between than they used to be.  That's
just my humble opinion, I'm not saying it's the total truth, it's just my
opinion.

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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 19 Mar 2000 18:44:46 GMT

In article <38d43fe8$1_4@127.0.0.1>,
"John Mitchell" <[e-mail]> wrote:


> Well, you're going to spend it staying at home too.
>
> The Cost of staying at home.
>
> Price of Beer $32.00
> Price of snacks $15.00
> Price of pizza $15.00
> Price of video $12.00
>
> The cost of missing out on the fun and laughter at the games
$irreplaceable!

Hey, John.  You forgot to include one other item and its cost:

  Price of Eggs  $.98 (for the egg toss)

The cost of missing out on the fun of seeing egg on John's face...no one
would miss that!


Pat


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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Parts for a goose
Date: 13 Mar 2000 22:55:38 GMT

On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:47:18 -0800, "Joe Posinski"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Looking for a blowpipe stock and chanter stock to form a "goose" any
>available, please e-mail at:

I was just at the Chinese buffet and there were parts for a goose all
over the place.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Cigar Tubes
Date: 18 Mar 2000 19:16:25 GMT

Played poker last night, and smoked a couple of cigars.  Making a long story
short, the plastic tubes that these cigars came in are almost an exact fit into
the drone stocks of my plastic Dunbars.

So I drilled an 1/8" hole in the end of each tube, fattened the tube up a
little with some electrical tape, and tried them out.

Works like a champ.  Steadier, smoother tone, and takes less air.  Makes the
drones tune higher, but get longer screws while you're getting the cigars and
everything's fine.

This bears out what Madman was saying about those special stocks he made, but I
was surprised that a hole as small as 1/8" works.

Garcia & Vega English Coronas, in case you're wondering.

Zu

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From: "John and/or Lori Gaudet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band Confusion...
Date: 20 Mar 2000 12:09:36 GMT

May I ask?
What do you think a Fire Fighters Pipe Band from Worcester should call
itself? NewYork Fire Fighters Pipe Band????????



SailorMercury684 wrote in message
<[e-mail]>...
>In my association, the EUSPBA,  there have been and still are many great
bands
>such as Worcester, City of Washington, Parlin & District and Manchester,
that
>have worked to produce world-class playing and esteem.  But unfortunately
it
>seems that their reputations are in jeopardy...
>
>I was attending a local St. Patrick's Day Parade and to my surprise I saw
>that the Worcester Pipe Band was listed as one of the participants.  I
>scrambled over to the street in the expectation of seeing Worcester along
>down the road, but to my surprise and regret the band was the "Worcester
>Firefighter's Pipe Band" or some such thing.  Unfortunately no distinction
>between that band and the Worcester Kilties.
>
>Recently I also heard a rumor that a band in Connecticut has taken the
name,
>"Manchester Regional Police & Fire Pipe Band".  It sounds like that band
took
>the names of two good pipe bands, Manchester and Niagara Regional Police,
and
>combined them to form a name which seems to be purposely ambiguous and easy
>to confused.  I seriously doubt if that band is connected in anyway to
either
>Manchester Pipe Band or Niagara Regional Police.
>
>Bands like Worcester, Niagara and Manchester have worked hard to gain a
good
>reputation and I think that it is appalling for these "street bands" to
>stealing either their names or recognition.  These street bands should have
>both the taste and tact to avoid using other band's names in this respect.
>
>I am just a student myself and I dream of one day playing with some of
these
>great bands, but unfortunately those not involved in pipe bands may
confused
>great bands for horrible street bands.
>
>Sarah MacNaughton
>
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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band Confusion...
Date: 20 Mar 2000 12:40:13 GMT



>
> Bands like Worcester, Niagara and Manchester have worked hard to gain
a good
> reputation and I think that it is appalling for these "street bands"
to
> stealing either their names or recognition. These street bands should
have
> both the taste and tact to avoid using other band's names in this
respect.
> Sarah MacNaughton
>
>

Many times the way a band is billed is not the way the band wants to be
billed.  So don't blame the bands for the customers' errors in
billing.  Many people just want to shorten a name so it fits on the
program.


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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: First parade notes, or a funny thing happened to me at the parade today.
Date: 20 Mar 2000 08:02:04 -0500



Beginnertunes <[e-mail]> wrote

> Well I finally got my chance to march today in one of the largest parades
in
> the country

> and I see two brawl lassies approaching me


Hey Bill, I've never met any of these "brawl" lassies.  Were they, like,
members of the WWF looking for a fight?

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From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: JOHN!!!!! Where were you?!?!?
Date: 20 Mar 2000 08:12:40 -0500

----- Original Message -----
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.bagpipe
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 4:37 AM

> Yes you can stick in those SM90's and they'll go with any weight of reed,
> but then we'll have to hire you out to the port authority for those
> foggy mornings by the shore line.

ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!! Okay . .. . Thanks, John. I did get the problem resolved
but encountered a new one :) :) :) I didn't want to touch that precious,
solid-gold reed that you gave to me so I opened up the drone reeds a
smidgeon. That worked . .. in the house and on the porch. But the weather
conditions were a bit different yesterday!!! It was WINDY! Stupid girl here
was given a rather large Greek flag (this was the Greek Independence Day
parade) and, being cute, I put it through the cords on my bass drone. Looked
good, pleased the crowds, but . . . with the wind, it kept taking my drones
off of my shoulder!!! Living with that, I kept having the problem of the
drones going out again . . and again! Thought that I had not corrected the
problem until they blew out in the middle of the tune and I realized that
there was not a drone in the whole band that was playing! The wind was
blowing out EVERYONE'S drones! At that point, mine were the longest lasting
so I guess I did resolve the problem! LOL!!!!! Guess there wasn't a thing we
could do with that condition, eh?!?!??! Thanks, John!

Love and Light be with you,
Maeve . . . in sunny Florida
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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: JOHN!!!!! Where were you?!?!?
Date: 20 Mar 2000 14:25:26 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
"Maeve" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>The wind was
> blowing out EVERYONE'S drones! At that point, mine were the longest
lasting
> so I guess I did resolve the problem! LOL!!!!! Guess there wasn't a
thing we
> could do with that condition, eh?!?!??!

Mark Lee's "Rocket Reeds" would have persevered.

Pat


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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: First parade notes, or a funny thing happened to me at the parade today.
Date: 20 Mar 2000 10:13:55 -0500



Beginnertunes <[e-mail]> wrote

> >Hey Bill, I've never met any of these "brawl" lassies.  Were they, like,
> >members of the WWF looking for a fight?
> >
> >Cheers.  Matt

> Actually a "brawl lassie" is the exact opposite of a > WWF queen. I'm
sure you've
> seen em Matt

Bill - the proper term is "braw".

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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band Confusion...
Date: 20 Mar 2000 14:44:11 GMT



> > both the taste and tact to avoid using other band's names in this
> respect.
> > Sarah MacNaughton
> >
> >
>
> Many times the way a band is billed is not the way the band wants to
be  billed.

I just remembered a funny title that was given our band a few years ago
in a local newpaper. This was after a local parade and I didn't see a
beer tent anywhere. I suppose the reporter didn't know our name so made
one up.  They called us "The Irish Windbags from Holland"

Go figure.


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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Musunderstood Tune Names
Date: 20 Mar 2000 14:35:56 GMT

I couldn't resist:


_uckin 'O' Geordie's Bear- Just put an "F" in there and you'll get it.

Pat


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: First parade notes, or a funny thing happened to me at the parade today.
Date: 20 Mar 2000 15:32:47 GMT

>Bill - the proper term is "braw".
>

I know Matt, but I was having too much fun with it to change the spelling now!
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: Chris Thomas <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Shaving Gilmour Reeds
Date: 20 Mar 2000 10:57:27 -0500

I was wondering what the reccomendation was for shaving gilmour reeds.
I've looked at Bill Car's web page (thanks bill) and tried shaving one
reed that way (shaving the shoulder down, not the edges). But it appears
to have negatively affected the reed (doesn't balance top to bottom).

I was wondering if anyone has tried shaving the edges, and/or has more
specific instructions on shaving these reeds.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.


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From: Richard Evans <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Duty on pipes imported into Canada?
Date: 14 Mar 2000 09:49:25 +0000

Can anyone tell me the level of duty on pipes imported from the UK into
Canada?

Thanks in advance.
Richard
--
Richard Evans

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From: "Mark Scheen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: chanters vs other woodwind
Date: 14 Mar 2000 11:28:17 GMT

News flash:

ALL wind instruments have "bad" notes!  Often it varies from make to make --
like my wife complaining 'cause the middle register of her piccolo is off a
bit from the rest of the range, but there are also examples that run across
the board -- like the sharp "D" on a trumpet, due solely to the harmonic
series.  This is one of the things all wind instrument players have to deal
with.  The good players have found ways to correct the "bad" notes so the
whole thing sounds like it is in tune.

Regards,

Mark



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From: ccc31807 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: valve staple
Date: 20 Mar 2000 08:09:14 -0800

In article <38d50503$1_5@127.0.0.1>, "John Mitchell"
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>How about another piece of copper strip. ;-)

Actually, this begs the question, dummy, because that was what I
asked to begin with, where to obtain the copper strip.

But I answered my own question. Dennis Havlena recommends the
tin on a box of Altoid Mints.

And in response to the other comments, yes, I could order one,
but (1) they are $5.00 or higher from mail order houses, (2)
there is a transaction fee whether you pay by credit card,
check, or money order, (3) you have to wait a week or so before
it arrives, (4) the mail order houses charge postage and
handling, which in many cases is as much as the valve itself,
and (5) where is the satisfaction in being self-reliant and
making something as simple and easy as a valve staple?

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From: [e-mail] (beegee)
Subject: (bagpipe) Windows95    OSR 2.5   Full version       Brand  New   --  $30.00
Date: 20 Mar 2000 16:37:36 GMT

Windows95  OSR 2.5  version with USB  support

Brand New  Full Version

Includes  CD, registration card , Certificate of Authenticity and
manual.  Shrinkwrapped.

US $ 30 each

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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band Confusion...
Date: 20 Mar 2000 12:47:39 -0400


[e-mail] wrote in message <8b5dfo$ctk$[e-mail]>...
>> Many times the way a band is billed is not the way the band wants to
>be  billed.
>
>I just remembered a funny title that was given our band a few years ago
>in a local newpaper. This was after a local parade and I didn't see a
>beer tent anywhere. I suppose the reporter didn't know our name so made
>one up.  They called us "The Irish Windbags from Holland"


I think I told this one before..........but we accepted a job for
pay....doing a street parade...............

the festival advertising advertised other different band(s).........none
advertised were there.........we were one of two bands hired to attend(and
getting paid)...........the second band wimped out (a little cool and a
threat of a shower).......we did the parade and were awarded "Best Band"
trophy.........already engraved with some other band's name ! (not even
scheduled to be there).................but who cares....it was a paying gig
and we're always in need of money.......EXCEPT......we never got paid (maybe
they sent the cheque to the no-show band !)

the following year.......they asked us again ! !

I only LOOK stupid ! !
David



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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: valve staple
Date: 20 Mar 2000 12:56:12 -0400


ccc31807 wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>>
>And in response to the other comments, yes, I could order one,
>but (1) they are $5.00 or higher from mail order houses, (2)
>there is a transaction fee whether you pay by credit card,
>check, or money order, (3) you have to wait a week or so before
>it arrives, (4) the mail order houses charge postage and
>handling, which in many cases is as much as the valve itself,
>and (5) where is the satisfaction in being self-reliant and
>making something as simple and easy as a valve staple?


This is getting too heavy....lets change the subject.............

I just started playing the PC......I am a poor College Student, working my
way thru school but I have an allergy to anything pakistani and I want to
get a really good set of pipes 'cause I don't ever want to have to buy a
second set..............I have no money........what kind of pipes can I buy
that will take me up through Open and allow my to compete successfully
against the Gavin Stoddart's, Mike Cusack's  Bob Worrall's and Alisdair
Gillis's of this world (I tried to cover most countries), but will not cost
me more than $300 complete, reeded and ready to play (my mummy sais they
must have a red velvet bag cover)

Thanking you in advance for your help.................David



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From: "Iain Massie" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band Confusion...
Date: 20 Mar 2000 17:43:49 GMT

    I don't see any problem with the Worcester firefighters taking the name
Worcester Fire Department Pipe Band. After all, that's what they are. I
think they may have just been called the Worcester Pipe Band on the day
instead of their full name which is where the confusion arises.
    As to Worcester Kilties putting out a "parade band" you are totally
wrong there. The band used on parades is the same band used in competition.
I wish people would check their facts before making such statements.

Iain Massie
P/M Worcester Kiltie Pipe Band


Zudupiper <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> >but unfortunately those not involved in pipe bands may confused
> >great bands for horrible street bands.
>
> For parade purposes, few people are going to tell the difference,
especially on
> St Paddy's Day.  To the Great Unwashed, the best pipe band is the one with
the
> feather bonnets and hair sporrans and spats.
>
> Besides, good bands usually have a "street" band and a "competition" band.
So
> if a parade is billed as having, say, the Worcester Kilties, it's most
likely
> going to be their "parade" band and probably not the Grade 2 unit.
>
> Zu



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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Rockets
Date: 20 Mar 2000 12:52:42 -0500

To whom it may concern:

"Rocket Reeds" are trademarked.

There are 4 US and international patents pending on design,materials,
and processes.

Anyone trying to knock them off in any way,shape or form will have to
deal with the full weight of the US goverment, as well as our own
attornies (Ronald S. Bienstock Esq. www.musicesq.com).

Happy piping

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From: Brad Morrison <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: shuttle vs fireside
Date: 20 Mar 2000 09:58:43 -0800

Zu:

Thanks for the info.  You mentioned that the shuttles are little
frustrating at first - how so?

It sounds to me like the tone of the firesides is superior.

That's certainly one of the key decision-makers for me.

Any other feedback would be really helpful  (from anyone)

Brad


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From: Brad Morrison <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: shuttle vs fireside
Date: 20 Mar 2000 10:03:28 -0800

Thanks for the info George.

Just out of curiousity, have you had many opportunities to play
with guitar?

I know that's not a big deal for me, just interested.

Ideally, a muffler for my big pipes would be nice.  But since
that's viable, I want something else that can be played in more
subdued settings.

Brad


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From: "Matthew C. Huntley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Practice Chanter/Pipe service
Date: 20 Mar 2000 13:30:08 -0500

Hi,
 I am a 'budding' piper. I have a practice chanter that I have been working
with slowly over time. Unfortunately, my kids got to my chanter, and I can't
get good tone out of it anymore, I find it sounds better if I take off the
mouthpiece and blow around the reed instead. I think that I am not getting a
good seal where the mouthpiece meets the chanter. I am in Southern
California,
North Orange County. Is there anywhere that I can take this to get that
section re-wound, or is this something I should tackle myself?
Any advice would be welcome(except for storing it higher, I have got that
one
down pat.)
thanks,
Matthew C. Huntley


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From: "Anthony Lyle" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Vancouver Ladies
Date: 20 Mar 2000 10:45:12 -0800

Would you happen to know an e-mail address for a member. I'm looking for a
photo of the band for a screensaver.
Robert N MacLeod <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:_66B4.51505$[e-mail]...
> Yes the ladies are still around, however due to membership they do not
> compete on a regular basis anymore. The band is currently under the
> instruction on Dani Brin, one of the pipers from SFU. I do not know if
they
> have any upcoming turnouts... I will try to find out.
>
> Cheers
> Robert N. MacLeod
> sfupb
>
> "Anthony Lyle" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> news:[e-mail]...
> > Does anyone know what happened to the Vancouver Ladies Pipe Band??
> > Are they still performing???
> >
> >
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From: "Anthony Lyle" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: getting rich off the internet
Date: 20 Mar 2000 10:48:14 -0800

Pyramid scemes are illegal!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: [e-mail] (TLER4)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band Confusion...
Date: 20 Mar 2000 18:48:38 GMT

Well Excuseee Meeeeeeee....I think first of all you need to learn a little
respect for ALL people and Pipe Bands....

It sounds like you are young and have not expierenced many of lifes 'ups and
downs' for you to  denounce people trying to show their Celtic Pride by playing
in a 'horrible' street Band as you mentioned.

> but to my surprise and regret the band was the "Worcester
>Firefighter's Pipe Band" or some such thing.

>Manchester Regional Police & Fire Pipe Band".  It sounds like that band took
>the names of two good pipe bands like Worcester, Niagara and Manchester have
worked hard to gain a good
>reputation and I think that it is appalling for these "street bands" to
>stealing either their names or recognition.  These street bands should have
>both the taste and tact to avoid using other band's names in this respect.


THESE PEOPLE that you mention are only Civil Servants who protect you and your
Family EVERYDAY that you are Breathing.  You need a cop where ever you live,
work or go to school and he assists you  you need a Fireman and he also comes
to your assistance....they dont care if you think they have terrible birls or
their High G's are too sharp........Do you know how many Police Officers and
Firemen died in the Line of Duty in your Town or City???  I bet you
don't.......I bet you only think about it when its on the Front page of the
Newspaper or the TV......

You speak of respect for the
"Good" Grade 1 and 2 Bands....
......how about a little respect for those 'horrible street bands' who inspire
people at a parade about their Celtic Traditions or bring Honor to a loved one
at a memorial service....
..how about them.....


'>I am just a student myself and I dream of one day playing with some of these
>great bands, but unfortunately those not involved in pipe bands may confused
>great bands for horrible street bands.

...if these "horrible street bands" we not around most of the ordinary people
would not be exposed to Pipe Music at all......and if some people want to learn
more and listen more to a Pipe Band then they will find out who plays the best
Birl, Doubling and Hornpipe and that's OK.... The Silly little "horrible street
bands" know they are Street Bands and are proud of that fact. They are proud of
the Group they represent and proud to represent the spirit and the traditions
of their Celtic Heritage.

So, Sara  Please Show a little respect yourself !!!!!


bk
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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 20 Mar 2000 13:53:44 -0500



John Mitchell wrote:snip

The Cost of staying at home.

>
> Price of Beer    $32.00
> Price of snacks $15.00
> Price of pizza    $15.00
> Price of video   $12.00

 Geeze, John, remind me never to invite you down- you eat and drink enough in a
weekend to keeop a small fraternity going!


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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 20 Mar 2000 14:01:07 -0500



John Mitchell wrote:

> ccc31807 <[e-mail]> wrote in
> > JM says you always go to the games regardless.
> > TD says you make a case by case decision, and not adopt an
> > inflexible rule.
> >
> > This is a no-brainer. Sorry, John, but you still lose.
>
> Tell you what Charlie, you go to all the boring wedding and funeral
> ceremonies,
> and I'll attend all of the games and festivals.
>
> Do you still feel like a winner now? <evil grin>

Sounds like Zu, andf the folks for whom he plays still win out there- he
with the money and experience, they withthe musical experience and
memories they want, and you far away in at the festival- everybody
getting what they want! -works for me


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Subject: (bagpipe) Fish Tank FS
Date: 20 Mar 2000 11:03:45 -0700

with stand 2 powerhead filters, 2 magnum floor stand pumps, and setup for
lights, locking top.  4 algae eaters 2 other fish.
spend all my time raising birds lately, no time for fish.
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From: [e-mail] (TLER4)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: A tragic death
Date: 20 Mar 2000 18:55:10 GMT

amature !!!!

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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 20 Mar 2000 14:06:40 -0500



Zudupiper wrote:snip

>
> Hmmm....we do get jaded as we go along and it ceases to mean as much to us as
> it does to the people we pipe for.  But yes, the people will always remember
> that there was a piper at the wedding/ funeral/ whatever.
>
> Sometimes people send me thank-you notes after the event, saying how much they
> appreciated my playing....and that's after they paid me, and in some cases even
> tipped me to boot.
>
> Zu

Yep- and then there are the ones who send you photos from thir weddings, and those
who send their friends./ rlatives/co-workers who have weddings and other functions
coming up.
 It all comes down to this, IMHO- if yoy find those gigs boring, do everyone a
favor and stay away from them. there are enough competent pipers who are glad to
do them. John you have my pemission to go to my share of the games. drink my share
of beer, pay my share of entry fees etc. if that's what you want to do. I'l l  be
quite happy to stay close to haome and play my $200 weddings,  graduations, And
the occasional $400 pub crawl I like I fg had on Friday...


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From: "Jody Wright" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) VHS Collection
Date: 20 Mar 2000 11:52:06 -0700

I am selling off my video collection. Below are the titles I have available.
Very few are previously viewed rentals. I have quite a few Widscreen. I did
label some of them that way.  I would like to sell them for $5 each.  Unless
you would like to make an offer for the whole thing.  Also, this list is not
complete. I just got tired of writing them all down.  There are over 120
listed here.  There may be about 50 more or so.  E-mail me for more info.

Jody Wright
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*******************************

2001 Space Odyssey
24 hour Woman
A Walk in the Clouds
A murder of Crows
A Christmas Story
Abyss (dir cut-WS)
African Queen
Air Force One
Alien
Alien3
Aliens
Amadaus
American Grafitti
American Werewolf in London
American President (ws)
Annie
Attack of the Killer Tomatoes
Avalon
Babette's Feast (foreign)
Batman Returns
Batman Forever
Batman
Blade Runner (WS)
Blues Brothers
Bob Roberts
Braveheart
Breakfast Club
Cape Fear (remake)
Cape Fear (original)
Cassablanca
Chocolat (foreign)
City of Angels
City Slickers
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Dave
Dead Poet's Society
Die Hard
Doc Hollywood
Dogfight
Driving Miss Daisy
Dune
ET
Ferris Beuler's Day Off
Flatliners
Forest Gump
Forever Young
FX (1&2)
Ghost
Gremlins
Hamlet (Mel Gibson)
Highlander
Hunt for Red October (ws)
Independence Day
Interview with a Vampire
Joe VS. The Volcano
Men in Black
Michael
Mission Impossible
Philadelphia
Point Break
Pulp Fiction
Reality Bites
Resevoir Dogs
Rocky Horror Picture Show
Rudy
Saturday Night Live Video's (multiple tapes)
Scent of a woman
Schindler's List
Seven (ws)
Shawshank Redemption
Shipwrecked
Silence of the Lambs
Slingblade
Somewhere in Time
Spawn 3(animat.)
Spawn (dir cut-animat.)
The Twilight Zone- old episodes (2 tapes)
The Birdcage
The Dead Zone
The Changeling
The Rock (ws)
The Starmaker (foreign)
The Doctor
The Thorn Birds (set)
The Shining
The Twilight Zone-movie
The Fly (remake)
The Wave
The Fugitive
The Hard Way
The Fisher King
True Lies
Twister (ws)
Untouchables
Vertigo
Wizard of Oz
X-Files The Movie
X-Files single episodes (18 Total)
Year of the Comet
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-shirts
Date: 14 Mar 2000 12:07:09 GMT

How about this for a Tee shirt.....

Crenluath a Mach One
Now THAT'S Fast!


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From: ccc31807 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Rockets
Date: 20 Mar 2000 11:21:28 -0800

In article <[e-mail]>, madman
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>To whom it may concern:
>
>"Rocket Reeds" are trademarked.
>
>There are 4 US and international patents pending on
design,materials,
>and processes.
>
>Anyone trying to knock them off in any way,shape or form will
have to
>deal with the full weight of the US goverment, as well as our
own
>attornies (Ronald S. Bienstock Esq. www.musicesq.com).
>
>Happy piping

Touchy, touchy, touchy.

As a friend of mine once said, all a patent means is that you
get to live in the past, and see the rear end of those who don't
have your patents, as they are passing you.

And my friend knew a thing or two about patents, holding 40 or
50 and even getting royalties on one particular product that
you, Dave, have probably bought several hundred of.

The only thing that Rocketman need fear is being outclassed by a
superior development. And it will happen! If he's lucky, or
industrious, or both, he will outclass himself.

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From: atlpipemaj <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 20 Mar 2000 11:22:15 -0800

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:
>>While I am agree that paying $21 dollars to compete may seem a
>>little high, it is important to remember that it is still in
the opening
>>stages.
>
>Which is why I pointed out to the piping director that his
entry fees are 50%
>above the highest I've ever paid.  Maybe he got bad advice or
something.
>
>In my private email to him, I called this a "reality check".
His reply was
>essentially unprintable.  So the reality check bounced.
>
>>Remember if you do not want to pay, you
>>can always stay home....
>
>I can and I will.  But the point of all this is that if a games
is going to
>charge a ridiculous amount for solo entries, they should have
some clue.
>
>Zu
>
>
>zu....i am the piping director in question and after you said
that the red bank games were minor league..(even though we offer
the highest prize money in north america)..and that we were way
out of line with our fees..( we are having a good response
without you)..and after saying that i was cockeyeddid you expect
any response other than "piss off"..??...i guess if the 7 dollar
fee per event is too much for you..maybe it is too far for you
to travel to us anyway...maybe i should move the games to your
back yard and then it would be better for you....sorry..zu..we
don't miss you..!!    :)


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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Dr. MacInnes (Hornpipe)
Date: 20 Mar 2000 14:22:47 -0500

Add that- a lot of what are wqritten as "hornpipes" are not really menat to be
played as hornpipes- thaye have none of the feel of the old traditional hornpies
menat to be danced to- they are really a sort of bastardized reel.- or a
squared-out jig in some cases.  The old-time hornpipes have more of a good rocking
feel , much less frenetic than a lot of the nr ew style which are meant to be
played "tempo di Tearass"(MHO)

SirJ1314 wrote:

> <And while we're talking hornpipes, how come they're so hard to find in the
> older books?  Lots of books have either none at all, or only a couple.  But the
> newer books have lots of them.>
>
> This is my theory.  Hornpipes used to be played mostly for dancing.  Today,
> hornpipes are used mosty for showing off how fast your fingers can go in front
> of other pipers.  There are only a handful of good classic hornpipes.  On the
> other hand, there are many hundreds more that are for the latter purpose.  A
> lot of hornpipes today are nothing more than a bunch of jumbled notes played
> very round at break neck speed.  Sure, they sound real cool when played well,
> but a lot lack musicality.  And you don't really need to be some brilliant
> composer like Donald MacLeod or G.S. Maclennan to write a tune like that.
> Hornpipes just serve a different purpose today than they used to and they are a
> lot more popular now.  So now days you get a lot of composers writing a lot of
> hornpipes with not always a great deal of thought going into all of them.
> Don't get me wrong, I love this new breed of hornpipes and I know there are a
> lot of GREAT composers today that write a lot of great tunes.  But I think the
> great ones are just fewer and farther between than they used to be.  That's
> just my humble opinion, I'm not saying it's the total truth, it's just my
> opinion.
>
> Cheers


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From: "McGriff International" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Pipe Setup
Date: 20 Mar 2000 19:25:06 GMT

Greetings,

I just purchased a set of GHB, used.  I have no idea how to set them up for
playing, as this is my first set.  They are completely disassembled, with
the stocks still on the bag.  Reeds have been removed.  How do I reassemble
them?  Tune them?  Any help would really be appreciated.

Best regards,
WB
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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: King of All Media
Date: 20 Mar 2000 14:41:42 -0500



John Mitchell wrote:

> snipBTW, you could have just used the old "I'm busy at work routine",
> but I'll give you credit for this wopper of a tail.
> Besides, who really cares about that boring
> Canadian game anyway?(Basket Ball)

Springfield, Massachusetts, the birthplace of basketball, has never to
my knowledge been part of  Canada.


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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: First parade notes, or a funny thing happened to me at the parade today.
Date: 20 Mar 2000 20:07:27 GMT


> No, she was looking for my sexual organs, not your brain. <G>
> (why didn't my block work on him this time???)
> Do I detect a hint of jealousy? Must be because we wouldn't let any
crap bands
> like yours march in our parade.
> Scotia Aye!
> Bill

Actually it was those very (small) sexual organs that I was referring
to.  If you are at all interested in my scholastic achievements you
should know that I am the valedictorian of my high school class and
President of our school's chapter of the National Honor Society.  Along
with being Captain of the Trivia Team and Secretary of the Student
Council.

The primary reason that my band did not participate in your shit parade
was because we were playing that evening with the Hartford Symphony
Orchestra at the Bushnell Concert Hall.  Also, if you knew anything
about pipe bands than you would have to come to the conclusion that my
Grade 3 band must be better musically than your Grade 9 band.

After all you taking piping lessons for 3 years and than not have the
ability to play the pipes with a street band on St. Patrick's Day... I
think that certainly says something towards your level of skill.  If
you spent half as much time practicing as you do on this newsgroup than
maybe it would have been pipes you were playing rather than a bass drum.

Sincerely,

Ryan Jones


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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band Confusion...
Date: 20 Mar 2000 15:14:48 -0500

I used to play tuba in all sorts of bands in paid gigs. One of th ebands I
played for was a "hofbrau" German band. The band leader sent out the same
publicity photo to all the clients, even thouigh one of the guys in the phot
ohad died. Even more confusing , he'd often book the band at several different
gigs on the same night, spilytting up the core regulars into smaller groups
augmented by substitutes. We still joke about the time we showed up for one
event where the person in charge of hiring the band c kept checking everyoe
against the picture as we arrived- Hey! t you're not in the Picture!. Of the 5
guys in the band that night, only two of us ( my brother on euphonium, and me
on tuba) were in the picture.  They loved the band anyway, ( eb ven though most
were not in the picture, so they hired us agin the next year- except that my
brother and I weren't on that job that time- we were on a different one.  I
don't know if any of the guys on the gig were in the picture or not, but we
never got that gig again;-)

dnimmo wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote in message <8b5dfo$ctk$[e-mail]>...
> >> Many times the way a band is billed is not the way the band wants to
> >be  billed.
> >
> >I just remembered a funny title that was given our band a few years ago
> >in a local newpaper. This was after a local parade and I didn't see a
> >beer tent anywhere. I suppose the reporter didn't know our name so made
> >one up.  They called us "The Irish Windbags from Holland"
>
> I think I told this one before..........but we accepted a job for
> pay....doing a street parade...............
>
> the festival advertising advertised other different band(s).........none
> advertised were there.........we were one of two bands hired to attend(and
> getting paid)...........the second band wimped out (a little cool and a
> threat of a shower).......we did the parade and were awarded "Best Band"
> trophy.........already engraved with some other band's name ! (not even
> scheduled to be there).................but who cares....it was a paying gig
> and we're always in need of money.......EXCEPT......we never got paid (maybe
> they sent the cheque to the no-show band !)
>
> the following year.......they asked us again ! !
>
> I only LOOK stupid ! !
> David


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From: [e-mail] (Bobalewi)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Wygent Drone Reeds
Date: 20 Mar 2000 20:26:11 GMT

sounds like water under the tongues.
dry em out,they should be fine


B.

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: First parade notes, or a funny thing happened to me at the parade today.
Date: 20 Mar 2000 20:42:34 GMT

>Actually it was those very (small) sexual organs that I was referring
>to.

Yes, but I'm sure both those two areas are quite small on you, so I suspect
this is what led to your comments. Neither your "personal" inadequacies or
educational shortfalls interest me.

>The primary reason that my band did not participate in your shit parade
>was because we were playing that evening with the Hartford Symphony
>Orchestra at the Bushnell Concert Hall.

Yes, I heard your band set up the chairs, polished the symphonys instruments,
and swept up when everything was over. Good job! There's a career as "refuse
collection engineer" in your future.

 >you would have to come to the conclusion that my
>Grade 3 band must be better musically than your Grade 9 band.
>

Well all I can say is you haven't heard us this year.

>After all you taking piping lessons for 3 years

Wrong! Once again your jumbling the facts.
The biggest of which is our band has a huge surplus of pipers, but not
drummers. We fielded 14 pipers, but only three drummers sunday, and all three
drummers can pipe too, but we go where were needed. I've taken SOME lessons
over three years, but I tried the self taught method because of distance, and
had to relearn things correctly, hence the delay.
Lets kiss and make up Ryan. Right here young en-->  (_!_) pucker up! LMAO!

On another subject: Is anyone else having trouble with the blocks on AOL's
NG's? They seem to not be functioning today.
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: King of All Media
Date: 20 Mar 2000 20:44:35 GMT

>Springfield, Massachusetts, the birthplace of basketball, has never to
>my knowledge been part of  Canada.

Shhh, we try to keep that deep-dark time in our history quiet.
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Whats All This Then!!!!!!!!
Date: 20 Mar 2000 20:49:37 GMT

Whoa!

Bill , Ryan , Zu  and others have been getting a bit testy the last few days.

Sounding just like a bunch of pipers.

Imagine that!

Must have been a hell of a St PATT'YS day weekend.

Myself, I am feeling nothing but good, earned enough the last three days to buy
a set of three drone small pipes in A.

Peace,

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: First parade notes, or a funny thing happened to me at the parade
Date: 20 Mar 2000 20:49:51 GMT

> what else did you think they might be looking for?Mr Goodbar?
>

Yes! And I'm he.
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: "Dan Peet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: King of All Media
Date: 20 Mar 2000 15:44:48 -0500

Look a little bit deeper Bob, the gentleman who  invented the game while
teaching in MA was a Canadian.  I think that is what John is getting at.
Dan

Bob Cameron <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
>
>
> John Mitchell wrote:
>
> > snipBTW, you could have just used the old "I'm busy at work routine",
> > but I'll give you credit for this wopper of a tail.
> > Besides, who really cares about that boring
> > Canadian game anyway?(Basket Ball)
>
> Springfield, Massachusetts, the birthplace of basketball, has never to
> my knowledge been part of  Canada.
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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: First parade notes, or a funny thing happened to me at the parade today.
Date: 20 Mar 2000 21:28:35 GMT

In article <01bf927b$f3993500$7c1c5bd1@default>,
"Matt Buckley" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Bill - the proper term is "braw".


Hey Bill!  Isn't "brawl" short for "brawless".

Pat


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From: "Virna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) plastic versus cane
Date: 20 Mar 2000 21:41:32 -0000

Hi there,

You may be hearing a lot from me as I am currently doing a project on the
Acoustics of the Highland Bagpipe.  My question for just now is:

Is it more desirable to have a cane reed rather than plastic one for drones
and why?

Hope someone can help me.

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Subject: (bagpipe) FS HP Pavilion N3110 Laptop Computer
Date: 20 Mar 2000 13:38:16 -0700

Celeron 433
4.8 GB Hard Drive
24X CD ROM
32 MB RAM
56K built-in modem
10-T ethernet card w/ dongle & cable
12" hpa LCD screen (800x600, 24 bit color max)
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MS Works
MS Encarta 99
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Purchased new in December 1999.

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From: "Bo M°ller-Nielsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: First parade notes, or a funny thing happened to me at the parade today.
Date: 20 Mar 2000 22:40:50 +0100

Bill D. Have you any idea what you have done when you decided not to go
"Regimental" !!! LOL

I recall an old English movie about the problems that can be caused in war
time when someone decides to protect the lower parts of ones body against
the cold, instead of protecting the Regiments honours. (don't recall the
title of the movie).

They nearly lost the war on that account.

I recall an old Sergeant Major telling me (a young sergeant at that time)
that whatever I did I should always think A4 (A4 is Danish standard paper
format) - meaning that I always had to think of the consequences of my
decisions and actions and I should always be able to explain the decisions
on paper.

I fear you did not think of how your decision might inflict the rest of the
piping society - all thou the ladies might have been spared an awful
experience.

You chicken you.

The picture I have seen on your homepage - Would that be your brother - he
looks tough ?

LOLOLOLOL

Cheers

Bo



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Beginnertunes skrev i meddelelsen
<[e-mail]>...
>Well I finally got my chance to march today in one of the largest parades
in
>the country, with one of the oldest bands in the northeast.
>My back had been keeping me down for several weeks now, almost to the day
when
>one of our drummers came in with the bass drummers uniform and drum and
said
>"he's taking several months off due to health." So I was nominated.
>I was sure even after the trips to the chiropractor that there was no way I
>could do it. Three miles with a 3 or 4 foot bass drun out in front of me
with a
>fragmented disk???? Even as I arrived in uniform, I still kept saying I
>couldn't do it. In spite of the numb leg, I decided to give it a try
anyways (I
>think my numb skull had a part in that decision.)
>We were off, no turning back now. About a half mile into it, my leg went
numb,
>which I'm sure added to my marching skills by leaps and bounds! Just before
we
>hit the TV viewing area, I picture my (totally numb now) leg giving out,
and I
>trip and roll over my drum like a drunk going to bed.
>The pain was dulled by my excitment which wore thin by the last mile when
it
>got really hard to concentrate to the point I was having trouble just
keeping a
>steady beat. But with the end in sight, I finished like a good scot would.
Now,
>six hours later, I kinda wish I was another nationality so I could of quit
LOL!
>But some of the pain could be due (at least in part) to Black and tans (1/2
>guiness, and 1/2 some lighter beer) that were forced upon me by evil
bandmates
>at O'Neils pub after the parade.
>But thats all irrelevant to my story....
>Being my first time in public in a kilt, I impatiently awaited the magic
>question that we all know will eventually be asked of every man in a kilt,
>"Whats under there?". I'd been prepping for this for the 2 or 3 years I'd
been
>on this NG listening to all the great retorts I could come back with. So
here I
>am out in the crowd heading for O'Neils pub, amongst hundreds upon hundreds
of
>people, and I see two brawl lassies approaching me with a beer in hand, and
>huge grins on thier faces. Not being the suspicious type, I thought a
cheery
>"ello"  was in order, while thinking to myself "Here it comes!!!!!"  Well,
do
>you think they asked? NAUGHT! The first girl who was within reach, promptly
>bent over, grabbed my kilt, and HOISTED IT IN THE AIR! And took close
enough a
>look I could feel her breath on my leg....
>I'll not be telling what she saw, but I will tell you what I told her,
>"Darling, if it was summertime, you woulda no been disapointed!"
>Sorry guys, it was just too darn cold to go "regimental"...
>That had to be one of the funniest things thats ever happened to me. Makes
for
>a geat "first parade memory."
>Scotia Aye!
>Bill
>What do playing the bagpipes, and throwing a Javelin while blindfolded have
in
>common?
>You don't have to be good at either one to get peoples attention!



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Subject: (bagpipe) Computer Swap Meet
Date: 20 Mar 2000 14:40:19 -0700

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From: "McGriff International" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Setup
Date: 20 Mar 2000 21:43:04 GMT

As a post script to the above post, I have an instructor (who is temporarily
unavailable)  and have been playing a Naill long deluxe chanter for about 16
months.  The pipes are Canadian, African Blackwood, fully beaded and combed.
I would like to get the pipes set up now so I can play them before my
instructor returns, (I have played a loner set, but never set up pipes
myself).  Thanks in advance for any useful information.
WB
IFCPD




McGriff International <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:mWuB4.11936$[e-mail]...
> Greetings,
>
> I just purchased a set of GHB, used.  I have no idea how to set them up
for
> playing, as this is my first set.  They are completely disassembled, with
> the stocks still on the bag.  Reeds have been removed.  How do I
reassemble
> them?  Tune them?  Any help would really be appreciated.
>
> Best regards,
> WB
> IFCPD
>
>



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From: barry shears <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Iain Dall MacKay 's Pipe Chanter
Date: 20 Mar 2000 22:05:02 GMT

Well finally the  article I have written on the Gairloch MacKays is up
on the web site. It also has a photo of Iain Dall's pipe chanter in the
photo gallery. I have been told the sound samples are up there as well
but as yet I haven't had a chance to listen to them.
For anyone who hasn't had a chance to visit the site it has info on
Pipers in the First World wa,complete with rare photos, information on
my two music books and CD,and the new article on the Gairloch Mackays
for all you piobaireachd and history buffs out there.
You can find it all at the following address:

www3.ns.sympatico.ca/caper

Hope everyone enjoys it,
Cheers,
Barry

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From: Bill Carr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Electronic pipes and playing style
Date: 21 Mar 2000 08:49:59 GMT

Hi all.

I had one of those Fargerstrom Electronic PC's for a couple of years and
just recently I've purchased a Deger Electronic Bagpipe. The Deger is an
amazing instrument. Guess what I'll be playing when they put me in an
old peoples home, too old to play the pipes.

Anyway.......I've noticed that I play the electronic chanters with a
different style than I do on the pipes or PC. When playing the Deger
Pipes I have very light, relaxed finger movements. Probably because of
the fact that I only have to glance the metal note sensors. I'm not
having to cover a hole as on the pipe chanter or PC.

This light finger style is very comfortable but it does not transfer to
the pipes. When playing the pipes I have to be more assertive,
deliberate. It's not enough just to touch the note holes as it is on the
electronic pipes.

 I'd love to be able to play the pipes with the same light and relaxed
fingering  but I'm not sure if it's the right road to follow.

Has anyone else experienced the same?

Any thoughts, ideas, advice would be most welcome.

Cheers


Bill Carr




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From: "Kevin MacDonald" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Universal Contest
Date: 20 Mar 2000 22:43:53 -0800

     It's an interesting idea to have an elite international contest
someplace.  It would take a few years of patience on the part
of the organizers, not to mention deep pockets, for the thing to
take off.  Where would you hold it?  Would it always be the
same venue?  What happened to the Intercontinental contest
a few years back?
     I think you're right, some travel expenses would be nice,
but the bands would have to bear the major part of the cost
of the trip themselves.  The thing is, what would make overseas
bands WANT to go to the trouble?  The World's, or any major
contest in Scotland, is attractive for a handful of reasons:
     1)  The desire/need for prestige or acclaim from competing
(successfully or no) at an important competition
     2)  The Scottishness of the setting
     3)  Some people just love competing
     4)  It's great to listen to others take their best shot also

     The only unique thing here is the Scottish setting.  What
country would be interesting enough to make a band want to
spend a small fortune to make the trip?
     As to who would organise a show like this, i think you
should just take the bull by the horns, John.  You've got the
contacts.  They'd be writing tunes in your honour for decades!
...kevin

ps.  me an' Scot think it should be in Kamloops.  Scot says he
will run the beer tent.  I want to judge dress & deportment.
We'll talk about salaries later...


John Mitchell <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:38d5a824_1@127.0.0.1...
> ccc31807 <[e-mail]> wrote in
> >
> > Great idea, but you are missing a couple of points. What draws
> > to any competition of this nature is (1) the caliber of the
> > contestants and (2) money. Think of the premier events in golf,
> > tennis, America's Cup, and other similar events.
>
> It can't be the money, the Worlds contest offers nothing now,
> other than the prestigious title which is due to the efforts
> of the overseas bands...



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From: "Jeff Ramsden \(MacLe≥id\)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: tune search: A Soldier's Song
Date: 20 Mar 2000 15:39:42 -0800

"IRSH PIPER" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Dia Duit Jeff,
>      I e-mailed you the tune, several times.
> My e-mails just bounces back.
> If you still want the tune please give me your correct e-mail
address.
>
> God Bless
> Jay Murray

Latha math, Jay!  The email bounces because my reply-to is
spamblocked:

[e-mail]

becomes

[e-mail]

I'll send you mail direct as well - thanks so much for the help!

Mise le meas, agus taing,

--
----------------------
Goraidh "Jeff" MacLeod Ramsden, FSA (Scot.)
Pacific Region Vice President Clan MacLeod Society USA, Inc.
S∞ol Thorcuil - "I Birn Quhil I Se"
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From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: REWARD: Stolen Pipes
Date: 21 Mar 2000 11:16:39 GMT

I almost never set my pipes down in a crowded  pub.
I have seen drones broken and sat on by drunks. I have looked on in horror as
some wild man with 24 beers in him grabs someones pipes.
In  a pub playing for a while I will ask to keep my pipe case ( spare chanter
and all that ) in the office or closet.
I have been acused of being paranoid but it has paid off, if it's not the
idiots it's the thiefs.

Best of luck on the return of your pipes.

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: First parade notes, or a funny thing happened to me at the parade today.
Date: 21 Mar 2000 12:03:01 GMT

Note to the NG: Ryan and I have buried the hatchet (but I'm not sure in who) so
we won't be wasting anymore bandwith with our squabbling (after this one hee
hee)

>I am sure that we made more in our performance than you did in your parade.
>

Yes but we didn't have to play with our pipe boxes open, or pick pockets to
make our money LOL

>You sound like you were once a real top-notch student,

Never ever!

>BTW  If you are retired and independently wealthy (as
>your profile says), than why you live in a trailer park or some such thing?

I live in a house, which we've been trying to purchase for two years now, but
the landlord wants an outragious price, so were waiting him out. I don't know
where you got the "trailer park" or "welfare" thing from.


>During that time Holyoke was still a crap band,
>that did not compete.

Wrong!

>During his time and my father's time, Manchester was a Grade I or Grade II,
>how
>highly has Holyoke ever been ranked?
>

Gee that's interesting, because there was no such thing as grades 1 or 2 back
then, they didn't use those designations in those days.

>>Now we see your true colors, making fun of children.
>
>No Bill, just yours....

So making fun of a 10 year old is OK then? It matters not whose kid it is.

>Actually the majority of my posts have been from home, and really don't have
>room to talk.

Right! Just room to throw in one lined insults at me, when you know I had you
blocked and wasn;t reading them.
The Deja search doesn't lie.

>The worst part is that you
>admittedly have no talent

I never said that. I'm currently entered in my first comp, we'll see about the
talent afterwards when I post the results here. I look forward to you eating
your words then. Until it's over, I'll not be writing another word about when
or where, so don't anyone try to get me to talk.


>yet still continue to carry yourself as a haughty,
>arrogant asshole.

Yes I do, and pride myself on it.
========
Now that Ryan and I have made up, take this post as almost all mine are
intended, in good fun.
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Whats All This Then!!!!!!!!
Date: 21 Mar 2000 12:24:19 GMT

>Honestly most of the time people
>arguing on this NG are probably just doing it for kicks,

99% of it is in fun.

>Actually I have a great time throwing cheap shots and remarks at one another.
>
>Speaking of cheap, has anyone seen Bill's mother lately...
>

>Actually I have a great time throwing cheap shots and remarks at one another.
>
Me too!

>Speaking of cheap, has anyone seen Bill's mother lately...
>

I told you she's not cheap,my mother charges WAY more than you can afford.

Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 21 Mar 2000 12:33:22 GMT

>you can't tell the difference between Booth and a SWEET set of old
>Hendersons.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Maybe you should've said "I" can't tell the difference between them, because
there are plenty here who could...easily... with one ear closed and their
hearing aids off.
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: getting rich off the internet
Date: 21 Mar 2000 12:30:25 GMT

>Thank you so much for giving us your address Art, what a smart guy.
>Unfortunately I am not able to send you $6.00 at this time,
>I need it for postage.  I'm sending you a little something in the mail

I think all us "spam haters" should send him something. I think the next time I
drink Guiness, or black and tans, I'll "lay a loaf" (quote via  Andy Sipowicz)
the next morning, and package it up for him.
I think if the Irish were really smart, they could of used "Guiness's morning
after" as a weapon, and would probaly control the world by now.
So lets all send our brilliant spammer something special in the mail.
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: reccomendations on Blackwood P/Cs
Date: 21 Mar 2000 07:51:38 -0500

John Mitchell <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:38d71903_3@127.0.0.1...
> grrawe <[e-mail]> wrote
> > I am currently looking for a new P/C and would like to get a few
> > opinions.  Thanks
>
> OK, Gibson!

I'd have to second that one after hearing yours, John! What a NICE chanter!
If it weren't for the fact that I have spent close to $1500 in the last
month on piping, I'd buy one for myself!!!! It's just a little tough
justifying all of this spending lately!!!!!! LOL!!!!!! SOMEBODY STOP
ME!!!!!! (with apologies to Jim Carey!)
--
Love and Light be with you,
Maeve . . . in sunny Florida
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From: [e-mail] (ALIXGUNN)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Musunderstood Tune Names
Date: 21 Mar 2000 12:56:30 GMT

>Cameronian Runt <
        I thought that  was Reid Maxwell



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From: [e-mail] (Rodger A. Cotton)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Electronic pipes and playing style
Date: 21 Mar 2000 13:44:09 GMT

I have found the opposite to be true in some cases, like with the Birl. you
have to overcompensate the Birl a wee bit, which transfers very nicely to
pipes.

Rodger

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From: [e-mail] (Ryan Jones)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: First parade notes, or a funny thing happened to me at the parade today.
Date: 21 Mar 2000 00:17:52 GMT


.>Yes, but I'm sure both those two areas are quite small on you, so I suspect
>this is what led to your comments.

Not according to your mother...

>Yes, I heard your band set up the chairs, polished the symphonys instruments,
>and swept up when everything was over. Good job! There's a career as "refuse
>collection engineer" in your future.

No, I seriously doubt that.  We actually performed both individually and with
the orchestra.  Believe me that is alot more important than marching in some
crap parade on a cold day.

>Good job! There's a career as "refuse
>collection engineer" in your future.

Maybe you could get off of welfare and fill the job

.> >you would have to come to the conclusion that my
>>Grade 3 band must be better musically than your Grade 9 band.
>>
>
>Well all I can say is you haven't heard us this year.

Yes but I have heard you for years, my father has heard you for years and my
grandfather has heard you for years and in all that time you guys have sucked.



>Wrong! Once again your jumbling the facts.
>The biggest of which is our band has a huge surplus of pipers, but not
>drummers. We fielded 14 pipers, but only three drummers sunday, and all three
>drummers can pipe too, but we go where were needed. I've taken SOME lessons
>over three years, but I tried the self taught method because of distance, and
>had to relearn things correctly, hence the delay.

Too bad they had no idea of how to play either.

>Lets kiss and make up Ryan. Right here young en-->  (_!_) pucker up! LMAO!

I don't think so, after all that is what your daughter is for.

Ryan

PS - Sorry to the rest of the group for this post.

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From: Paul Gretton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 14:56:56 -0800

RachelAnne wrote:

> After going to Mass
> with a few Catholic friends to honor the old saint,

Aha! I always wondered what the point of Mass was. You'd better inform the Pope.

>       I noticed on
> the History Channel that Queen Victoria had ordered all pipers
> and harpists put to death after some Irish revolt in the
> 19th-century.

I saw that show too. I was especially interested in the revelation that Queen Victoria
also invented the steam engine, played the sitar and made the (real) first ascent of
Everest. John Cleese made a great job of presenting the programme.

Keep up the good work.


Cheers,

Paul Gretton

*****Present mirth hath present laughter.(Twelfth Night)*****

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From: aberdeen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Has anyone got bagpipe writer gold or finale 2000
Date: 14 Mar 2000 15:04:46 GMT

In article <8ads6c$mdm$[e-mail]>,
"Matthew Griffiths" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Could anyone send me a copy of either bagpipe writer gold or finale
2000 to
> write drum/bagpipe scores.By the way I am now playing at Phoenix P.B.
> Manchester England.And will see you at the coming season.
> Cheers
>

We generally keep both in stock and ready for shipment.  You can order
directly from our web site.  However, you might get PipeWriter quicker
if you order directly from the company which wrote it since they are on
your side.

All the best,

Jim
--
Jim Hudgins
Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply
<http://www.AberdeenBagpipe.com>


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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Setup
Date: 21 Mar 2000 09:57:34 -0400


Zudupiper wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>>First find yourself an experienced piper...............
>>
>
>There's really no way you can setup a bagpipe satisfactorily with no prior
>knowledge.
>
>
>COP #2 is good advice, but the best advice is to find an experienced piper.
>
>Good luck,


ZU  !

I'm overcome........can I handle this ?

I don't want you agreeing with me too often............it wrecks my
day......I'm off kilter now.....

David
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From: [e-mail] (JFENIGMA)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Universal Contest
Date: 21 Mar 2000 14:03:39 GMT

     The only unique thing here is the Scottish setting.  What
country would be interesting enough to make a band want to
spend a small fortune to make the trip?


 How about Aruba?

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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: REWARD: Stolen Pipes
Date: 21 Mar 2000 10:06:07 -0400


JSLOANPR wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>I almost never set my pipes down in a crowded  pub.


Two days ago (Sunday) our band had an all day workshop with Bob
Worrall........... getting his slant on our tunes for this
summer...fantastic !

But I digress......at end of it I laid my pipes on the bar of the mess we
were using, and pulled out my chanter and laid it beside my
pipes..............had funny feeling when I did it (leaving chanter without
cover in place)....

went and got my pipe box...came back..picked up my pipes....and made a dive
for the chanter as it slowly rolled off and behind the bar onto the
floor......reed was about two months old and I was starting to really like
it.............jumped over bar.....phew.....band chanter survived...it
landed pointing straight down on the reed......never seen a reed like that
before.......pipey was not impressed.......

moral of story : never leave your pipes unattended on a bar ?

David



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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 10:05:17 -0500

You owe Queen Victoria an apology, I'm afriad. It was Elizabeth the First, back
in the 16th Century, who ordered harpists and pipers elimination, NOT
Victoria.  Then again, e proabaly have her to blame for some of the more
outrageous and unfunctional aspects of "Highland Dreess", but certainly not
what you so . errr, shall we say undiplomatically, accused her of.   For your
pennance go play five "Too Long In This Condtions"



RachelAnne wrote:

>     Isn't St. Pats Day so much goddamn'd fun!?  Unfortunately,
> there are so few of us left that still treat it as a religious
> holiday instead of a reason to get smashed.  After going to Mass
> with a few Catholic friends to honor the old saint, we retreated
> to a convenient pub to break the fast.  After a few drams of the
> water of life, the piping spirit must have struck us all as we
> retired to one my fellow merrymakers' domicile to make many a
> happy tune. After several hours of gradually decreasing piping
> ability, the de-tuning fluid had taken its' toll and we decided
> to stop before the ghosts of pipers past haunted us and future
> generations for desecrating our beloved art.
>      Since St. Pat's is a religious holiday, we meandered back to
> the previous pub (McGuirk's Irish Pub) where the crowd had
> increased five-fold.  A certain troupe of Irish musicians were
> playing with amazing precision considering the amount of
> libations they had consumed.  Earlier in the evening I noticed on
> the History Channel that Queen Victoria had ordered all pipers
> and harpists put to death after some Irish revolt in the
> 19th-century.  I thought this was a shame but as the English are
> no strangers to oppressing and abusing people I filed it away to
> business as usual in the 'oppression' dept.
>      Later at McGuirk's, some fool came up with the bright idea
> to pass around the mic and let a few enlightened souls tell us
> all why they thought St. Pat's Day is so grand. When it came my
> turn (ok, so I ASKED for the mic...), I proclaimed with extreme
> sincerity, "Fuck Queen Victoria!!"  A few Brits in the bar took
> offense but when I explained the reason for my displeasure with
> the dear departed monarch, every so-called Irishman squirmed out
> of the woodwork to join us all in loudly disparaging ole' Vicky.
> There's nothing quite like hearing 300 or so drunked 'diaspora'
> vulgarly chanting obscenities at a now 100-year-dead queen.
>      Memory of the evening fades rather quickly after that event.
> When me and the mates returned to McGuirks the following day
> (after all it is easier to re-soak the brain than dry it out),
> the proprietor of the establishment asked us to start no further
> railings against anyone-alive or dead-since the previous night's
> rant had got a bit out of hand.  Seems a few of the Brits and
> those loyal to the Crown eventually had enough of all the
> disparagement to ole Vicky and fisticuffs ensued.  I for one have
> no recollection of the matter.  If only ole Vick hadn't been so
> tough on our Irish piping brethren...I guess Vicky's virtue will
> be safe until next year....
>
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From: "Michel W. d'Avenas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Accessing Archives?
Date: 21 Mar 2000 07:07:08 -0800

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From: "Peter Anderson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lee Rocket Top-off Approach
Date: 18 Mar 2000 14:46:10 -0000


"Alex McAdam" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
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> I tend to sit back and read the NG without commenting too often; however,
I
> felt I needed to add to this thread.  I am fortunate enough to have in my
> possession a set of Lee Rockets and they are without a doubt a match to
(if
> not better than) any drone reed I have ever played (memories of a set of
> canes you wished would last forever!).  I spent about 30 minutes talking
to
> Mark about my pipes and playing/reed preferences and  received to my
> surprise the first "plug-n-play" reeds in my 25+ years in this game.  I
was
> also left without any doubt that Mark wanted to hear from me about my
> impression of the reed and expected to be asked to fix anything I did not
> like.
> Just my humble opinion.
> Regards,
> Alex
>
>

I am also VERY fortunate enough to own a set of Rockets.  (I live in the UK
and I *thought* I was playing a medium/weak reed, it turns out that medium
in the UK = V.Strong in the US - whatever).  A days after my Rockets arrived
Mark was on the phone (I think the call charges in the US must be very cheap
as he was on the phone for 20 mins).   Four days later Mark was on the phone
again asking how they were getting along - this is supurb service, quite
unlike anything I have experienced before.  Anyway my bass reed was not
right and by the third one, everything was fine.  Each time the new reed was
sent to me, Mark was on the phone again making sure everything was ok (he
must have blown all his profit on phone calls).  I now have a brillient
set-up, 1930's Lawries with drones that sound from heaven, a Naill chanter
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From: [e-mail] (SirJ1314)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Electronic pipes and playing style
Date: 21 Mar 2000 15:51:04 GMT

I know this is true.  I love the way I sound on Deger Pipes.  It's gives a
slighlty false impression of clean playing.  I can play most Reels, Hornpipes
and Jigs an average of 10 beats faster on the Deger Pipe with the same clean
fingering that comes on a practice chanter.  When I first got my Deger about a
month ago I played for at least a week without even touching my PC and I hardly
touched my pipes either.  This is a bad idea, the longer you play, your fingers
start to get used to only having to slightly touch the metal contact instead of
fully covering a hole.  The next week at band practice my playing sounded like
crap when my fingers weren't even covering all the holes properly on my pipes
and PC.  So now I use both and It's easier to make the transition.
Cheers,
John

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From: "Travis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) FS: Avocet cyclocomputer
Date: 21 Mar 2000 08:45:42 -0700

http://www.avocet.com/cyclopages/cyclo45tt.html

Brandnew, never used and has cadence.

$40

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Electronic pipes and playing style
Date: 21 Mar 2000 16:07:36 GMT

Hi, Bill.

I'm having the exact same experience as you've had with electronic
pc's. I, too, bought a Fagerstrom about 2 years ago, and have used it
on many business trips and long commutes into New York City. It
definitely helped keep my fingers nimble, but I did find that a
Fagerstrom workout didn't transfer 100% to my "analog" pc or bagpipe--
it was more like 75%. Yesterday, after a 3-month wait, I finally
received my Deger. An extremely cool and beautifully made instrument in
its own right--congratulations to Manfred! However, after only about 2
hours of playing, I can candidly state that:

1. The Deger makes me sound much better than I actually am;
2. The drone sound is wonderful, but can lull or distract you from the
chanter work (I've decided that the drones will always be on a lower
setting...);
3. Having tried several different pitches using both main sounds
(smallpipe and GHB), I couldn't find a good pitch to hear crossing
noises and such (and I just KNOW they're there!). In fact I think the
Fagerstrom may be better than the Deger at revealing crossing noises--
maybe it's just because the Fagerstrom sound seems "cleaner" or "purer."
4. Both Deger and Fagerstrom require only a light touch, though this is
adjustable to some degree on the Fagerstrom (maybe an additional
feature to be built into future Degers?); hence, you get a nice nimble-
finger workout, but like a Fagerstrom workout, a Deger workout won't
transfer directly to analog pc or bagpipe chanter.
5. The only other thing that's a little disappointing about the Deger
is its relative difficulty to transport. I was hoping I'd be able to
take this thing along on commuter trains etc., but at that price, I'm
too afraid to break it, even with a nice tube case!

None of this is meant as a "slam" of the Deger chanter. Despite my
comments, I still think it's a great instrument and I'm very pleased to
own one. I'm sure I'll be using it a lot, and would love to hear how
other pipers get the most out of their Degerpipes. But nothing can
replace good old hard work on the pc and bagpipe!

Cheers, Thom Moore

In article <[e-mail]>,
Bill Carr <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> I had one of those Fargerstrom Electronic PC's for a couple of years
and
> just recently I've purchased a Deger Electronic Bagpipe. The Deger is
an
> amazing instrument. Guess what I'll be playing when they put me in an
> old peoples home, too old to play the pipes.
>
> Anyway.......I've noticed that I play the electronic chanters with a
> different style than I do on the pipes or PC. When playing the Deger
> Pipes I have very light, relaxed finger movements. Probably because of
> the fact that I only have to glance the metal note sensors. I'm not
> having to cover a hole as on the pipe chanter or PC.
>
> This light finger style is very comfortable but it does not transfer
to
> the pipes. When playing the pipes I have to be more assertive,
> deliberate. It's not enough just to touch the note holes as it is on
the
> electronic pipes.
>
> I'd love to be able to play the pipes with the same light and relaxed
> fingering but I'm not sure if it's the right road to follow.
>
> Has anyone else experienced the same?
>
> Any thoughts, ideas, advice would be most welcome.
>
> Cheers
>
> Bill Carr
>
>


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From: ccc31807 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: plastic versus cane
Date: 21 Mar 2000 08:52:29 -0800

In article <8b66bk$34m$[e-mail]>, "Virna"
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>Is it more desirable to have a cane reed rather than plastic
one for drones
>and why?

I would suggest to you in the strongest possible terms that yu
need to rephrase your question. Just to illustrate, what
is "desirable?" "Desire" depends on the subjective state of mind
of the hearer, and a desirable outcome for one person may be
totally objectionable to the second.

And a paradox: If you talk to pipers who know what they are
doing, they will tell you that cane reeds without any doubt
produce the best results. They sound better, and you cannot be a
competant piper unless you use cane reeds. Yet these same
pipers, if you study under them, will set you up with synthetic
drone reeds. In fact, a much larger percentage of journeyman
pipers use the synthetics than cane, despite the fact that
synthetics cost about five times as much as cane. If cane sounds
better and is much, much, cheaper, why do most pipers use
synthetics?

Just a thought to get you going.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 06:30:13 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
RachelAnne <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Since St. Pat's is a religious holiday, we meandered back to
> the previous pub (McGuirk's Irish Pub) where the crowd had
> increased five-fold. A certain troupe of Irish musicians were
> playing with amazing precision considering the amount of
> libations they had consumed. Earlier in the evening I noticed on
> the History Channel that Queen Victoria had ordered all pipers
> and harpists put to death after some Irish revolt in the
> 19th-century.

I actually saw this same special quite a long time ago and it actually
was disproving that rumor not endorsing it.  If you are any student of
British history you would realize that the 16th Century Common Laws
would have prevented her from directly executing them without a trial.

> I thought this was a shame but as the English are
> no strangers to oppressing and abusing people I filed it away to
> business as usual in the 'oppression' dept.

The English were no worse than any other European country and if you
consider what the Irish did to Protestants during the 1500-1700s then I
would think that you would understand why the English disliked the
Irish so much.

> Later at McGuirk's, some fool came up with the bright idea
> to pass around the mic and let a few enlightened souls tell us
> all why they thought St. Pat's Day is so grand. When it came my
> turn (ok, so I ASKED for the mic...), I proclaimed with extreme
> sincerity, "Fuck Queen Victoria!!" A few Brits in the bar took
> offense but when I explained the reason for my displeasure with
> the dear departed monarch, every so-called Irishman squirmed out
> of the woodwork to join us all in loudly disparaging ole' Vicky.

To be honest, I like many other members of polite society would have
taken offense to your remarks.  While I have pro-British, pro-Unionist
and pro-Protestant ideas, I would never make insulting remarks to other
people nor make them uncomfortable.  That is just rude, you should have
the good sense of respecting other's points of view.

While I disagree with people, I would prefer to debate them about the
subject not insult them.  All jokes and gestures aside from this
Newsgroup, I really do not understand the need for insulting people.
Any remarks that I make on this NG are always in fun and I am sure that
most understand that.

> There's nothing quite like hearing 300 or so drunked 'diaspora'
> vulgarly chanting obscenities at a now 100-year-dead queen.
> Memory of the evening fades rather quickly after that event.

> Seems a few of the Brits and
> those loyal to the Crown eventually had enough of all the
> disparagement to ole Vicky and fisticuffs ensued.

I am sure that those "Brits" had the taste and tact to avoid making
insults towards the others in the bar.  While their physical reaction
may not have been 100% appropriate, I am sure that you would have been
insulted if they had made fun so such people as Gerry Adams or the
Pope???  You obviously have no idea of cordial behavior, either by
making the remark or by posting it here.

One thing that bothers me is the fact that you can make these remarks
without fear, yet if a pro-British supporter were to make similar
remarks he or she would be labeled a bigot or racist.  I travel down to
Hunter Mountain or other "Irish" games in the EUSPBA and I hear bands
playing rebel tunes and wearing shirts with slogans like "F*** the
Queen"  This truly does offend me.  Yet at the same time, the Scottish
and Scots-Irish bands make an deliberate effort to keep from offending
these groups.  You hear Irish bands playing "Wrap the Green Flag"
or "The Wearing of the Green" yet Scottish bands avoid playing such
favorites as "The Cock O' the North" or the "The Sash My Father Wore".

I think in most cases it is the 1% of people like yourselves that end
up hurting feelings and causing bad blood.

In this case I would ask that you do reply to this e-mail with either a
good explanation or an apology.

Sincerely,

Ryan Jones


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From: Eric Eccleston <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Uilleann pipe questions
Date: 21 Mar 2000 10:02:19 -0700

Hello all.  I've never posted to this group before, but I have some
questions and this looked like the most likely newsgroup.  I'm looking
for some recommendations and advice regarding buying a practise set of
Uilleann pipes.  I'm in the US, by the way.  There seems to be a lot of
makers on the web from all over the globe, and the price range is very
wide for practise sets, ranging from about US$500 to 1200 (taking into
account some rough exchange rate conversions for Aus, Ir, UK, Can).
Does anyone have any tips on different makers, questions I should ask,
etc. to help me to make up my mind on who to have make them, and how
much is reasonable for me to spend?  What about used sets?  I would
imagine that some of them can be quite good or even better.  Also, I
live in a relatively high altitude/low humidity area (Denver); is that a
consideration?  Thanks for any help.
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From: "Michael McWilliams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) CD recommendations for learner?
Date: 21 Mar 2000 16:54:12 GMT

Well, now that I've been yowling away on the PC for a few months...had a few
lessons...and am getting totally bolluxed up on the distinctions between
grips, taorluaths and the like...

....I've gone fully around the bend and started to actually play bagpipe
music on the home stereo. As my wife cringes, and my sons flee in
embarrassment I'm now looking for good CDs that might actually help me
learn.

Any suggestions for performances that really show how it's all supposed to
be done?

Thanks in advance.

Slαinte!

Michael McWilliams
Cohasset, MA




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From: "Marc du Bois" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers in Den Haag
Date: 15 Mar 2000 19:48:50 +0100

"sean.p.moore" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:38c5f18d$[e-mail]...
> I will be working in Den Haag as of the 14th March.  I am looking for a
Pipe
> Band in the area.  If no Band any pipers in the area?
>
> Would like to make some contacts please - [e-mail]

Sean,

Check http://home.worldonline.nl/~mdbois/uk/pipeband.htm for a list of all
Dutch pipebands [that have a homepage]

There is actually a band in Den Haag:  the Hague Highland Pipe Band, but I
curently have no contact there.  Give me a howler through email if you need
more info.

Regards,
--
Marc du Bois - Webmaster
Beatrix Pipe Band, Hilversum (NL)
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From: "Peter Anderson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross Cannister Bag
Date: 21 Mar 2000 16:46:05 -0000


"Chris Eyre" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:8b3451$pt$[e-mail]...
> I have my new Ross Cannister bag laid out in front of me now....
>
> (drool, drool).
>
> But I am competing in an indoor band contest next Saturday so I am
> thinking it would not be a wise idea to fit it before then. (It's going to
> be a long week). Can anyone who plays one tell me how easy it was to get
> used to? I've been using a medium Canmore bag for many years. Is there
much
> of a problem getting the cut-off clean? Has anyone needed to get the extra
> valves?
>
> Chris Eyre
>

My new canister arrived yesterday at 5.30pm.  By 6pm had all my old stocks
out of old bag.  By 7pm I had finished assembling the octopus and was at
band practise for 7.30.  No problems striking-up but more care needed to be
taken with cut-offs.  I don't think anyone that uses a Canmore will find a
lot of difference but I switched from a hide bag which gave me an almost
instant cut-off an I now have to think two bars before the end rather than
the last two notes.  There is one thing that has really surprised me,
'size *does* make a difference - what a brilliant TV advert slogan -;).
Over the years I had been advised to go for the largest bag comfortable and
have been very very happy with sheepskin, hated canmore as it was always
slipping, tried hide and that was ok.  I must admit that I have not really
been happy with the hide set-up as my left hand felt constricted.  I tried
someone's large Ross last week and found that way too big, so Iain Macey
suggested I try the small extended size - a little bit odd as first but used
to the bag within 30 mins and I think it is great.  The only problem I had
was that with all the pulling pushing of drone stocks trying to get them
into the Ross my fingers will not move for another week, so I think you
should wait until after the comp.

P.S.  I discovered that I am a 'hot' and not a wet blower - I have never
heard this term before but it means that hot breath will not cause moisture
to condense on the drone reeds but instead condenses further along the
system i.e. at the top of your drones.  The only cure for this was the Ross
bag or I could drink yet more Malt and dehydrate myself, no I am trying that
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From: "Peter Anderson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Help re finding Cockerel in the Creel
Date: 21 Mar 2000 17:11:30 -0000

This is a Donald MacLeod tune and I cannot find it in his books 1 to 5 - any
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) RE: Help re finding Cockerel in the Creel
Date: 21 Mar 2000 17:32:46 GMT

In a previous article, "Peter Anderson" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>This is a Donald MacLeod tune and I cannot find it in his books 1 to 5 - any
>suggestions please.
>
>
  Try book 6  - I've seen it in print somewhere , and that's probably
where.
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: REWARD: Stolen Pipes
Date: 21 Mar 2000 17:42:19 GMT



> moral of story : never leave your pipes unattended on a bar ?
>
> David
Don't leave them on a church pew either. I was playing a service a few
years ago and when done, laid my pipes next to me on the pew. Some old
woman came and sat down on them! She saw them there but sat down
anyway. Fortunately the pew was padded and she didn't sit solidly on
them before I quickly picked them up.
moral of THIS story is: hold on to you pipes, always.


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From: ferraridrones <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 21 Mar 2000 09:01:54 -0800

Bill,

Last I heard you were still a wee grade 4 punk without the benefit of
years of playing experience... i.e: ears that can tell the difference.
Stop throwing stones in the glass house... it's still winter. And by
the way... most of the Krons that are out here sound like they are
muted... the chanter overwelms the drones, even when playing a nose
bleed reed. And why is it that Alisdair Gillies sent the Pink Ivory
pipes he played at the QM back? Could it be that it is the player that
makes the pipe?  Or could it be that they were only good enough to make
it through an indoor weekend but not up to snuff for outdoor events?
The experience we have had with Kron pipes here is that they are for
solo playing indoors. That might be great if you never compete, but in
the real world, most of us have to play outdoors, and in groups at
times where you need to be heard and where the sound has to carry. Give
me a set of Booth's anyday, with their great Henderson sound... now
that's a pipe. I know that there aren't any great pipers on Booth
yet... but ask any of the dealers around the country that are trying to
compete with Booth pipes and they will all say the same thing... "they
are great pipes... and no I can't match the package price on any of the
AB pipes I sell..."  Have I set myself up for attack... sure have...
come play against me anytime... I'll even play a set of Booth pipes off
the shoulder of any of my students... anytime you are ready Bill or
Dave. Put up or shut up.

Ian


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From: ccc31807 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: CD recommendations for learner?
Date: 21 Mar 2000 09:52:28 -0800

Try Lismore.

If you like solo piping, the World's Greatest Pipers will be
fine, as well as Pipers of Distinction.

If you like band piping, the World Champoinships are great. I
think that you can get the last 25 years or so.

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From: Andrew McIntosh <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: CD recommendations for learner?
Date: 21 Mar 2000 13:22:18 -0500

Seeing as you are close, I would drive down to Plymouth MA and check out
Celtic Fire.  Or visit  www.celticfire.com.  You should be able to find
many great CDs and some good advice there.

Good luck!

Andrew McIntosh


Michael McWilliams wrote:
>
> Well, now that I've been yowling away on the PC for a few months...had a few
> lessons...and am getting totally bolluxed up on the distinctions between
> grips, taorluaths and the like...
>
> ....I've gone fully around the bend and started to actually play bagpipe
> music on the home stereo. As my wife cringes, and my sons flee in
> embarrassment I'm now looking for good CDs that might actually help me
> learn.
>
> Any suggestions for performances that really show how it's all supposed to
> be done?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Slαinte!
>
> Michael McWilliams
> Cohasset, MA

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From: "Tim Sullivan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: reccomendations on Blackwood P/Cs
Date: 21 Mar 2000 18:43:43 GMT


grrawe <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:6ApB4.55568$[e-mail]...
> I am currently looking for a new P/C and would like to get a few
> opinions.  Thanks


I *REALLY* like the blackwood PC that Sheperd turns out.



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From: [e-mail] (ALIXGUNN)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 18:57:29 GMT

>> There's nothing quite like hearing 300 or so drunked 'diaspora'  vulgarly
chanting obscenities at a now 100-year-dead queen.  Memory of the evening fades
rather quickly after that event.<<

     Here I am - 1/4Scot, 1/4Irish, 1/4English...
trying  to tell my Orangeman boyfriend to "Let go" of something which happened
centuries ago, between people he didn't even know, and which should have
NOTHING to do with _US_ - - TODAY - - in the US in the 21st century.
   Here's the thing... More than half the revelers in any bar on St. Patrick's
Day aren't even Irish. More than half of those who DO actually have some Irish
in them have no concept of Irish history.  So for someone to get into his cups,
and start making stupid remarks based on some program they sort of remember
seeing as they were getting pissed.... rather like inciting a riot.
    It's stupid comments in crowded bars by brain-dead people  that keep some
prejudices alive and thriving - and spoil the day for anyone looking for a good
time with good music.



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Subject: (bagpipe) New free classifieds section
Date: 21 Mar 2000 19:21:50 -0000



I've just tested and finished my new classifieds section for wind and brass
instruments at Musiciansnews.
So if you are looking for something or have something to sell feel free to
post it there.

The other sections are still under construction and I will hopefully finish
them at the end of this week


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From: "Mister White" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shaving Gilmour Reeds
Date: 21 Mar 2000 19:43:43 GMT

I just tried shaving a reed that was blowing the back of my head off, and I
lost my F!  It's just plain gone.  I have an E, then a slightly sharper E
(maybe a quarter-tone).

... I really need to figure out what the hell I'm doing -- but this NG has
helped a lot.  Thanks, guys (and ladies)!

Stuart Goodburne

--

"Never look at the trombones; it only encourages them."
---- Richard Strauss, on conducting

Chris Thomas <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> I was wondering what the reccomendation was for shaving gilmour reeds.
> I've looked at Bill Car's web page (thanks bill) and tried shaving one
> reed that way (shaving the shoulder down, not the edges). But it appears
> to have negatively affected the reed (doesn't balance top to bottom).
>
> I was wondering if anyone has tried shaving the edges, and/or has more
> specific instructions on shaving these reeds.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>



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From: "Mister White" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: REWARD: Stolen Pipes
Date: 21 Mar 2000 19:46:03 GMT

I volunteer to provide a "savage beatin'" free of charge if you catch the
scum ...!!

<[e-mail]> wrote in message news:8b5eof$dsc$[e-mail]...
> My family and I are offering a cash reward for the recovery of my
> bagpipes, last seen in Norfolk, Va., on St. Patrick's Day.
>
> The drones are Henderson, circa 1940, with ivory mounts. They were set
> up with a large L&M elkhide bag, a wood Naill chanter, Wygent Synth-
> drones and a Megarity-Ross chanter reed.
>
> I inherited the pipes from my great uncle, and I have been playing them
> for almost 20 years. The sentimental value is unmeasurable.
>
> If you have ANY information about the pipes, please contact me:
>
> Jim Roberts
> 1008 Brandon Ave., Apt. B1
> Norfolk, Va. 23507
>
> Home phone: [phone]
> Work phone: [phone]
>




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From: "Michel W. d'Avenas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Address for PIPE DREAMS?
Date: 21 Mar 2000 07:10:05 -0800

Does anyone have an address and Phone # for Mcshannon at Pipe Dreams?
Thanks, Mike


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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: REWARD: Stolen Pipes
Date: 21 Mar 2000 12:19:22 -0800

In article <8b8c9n$jac$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
wrote:
>Don't leave them on a church pew either. I was playing a
service a few
>years ago and when done, laid my pipes next to me on the pew.
Some old
>woman came and sat down on them! She saw them there but sat down
>anyway.

Maybe they reminded her of her glory days!

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From: Paul Mc. <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 21 Mar 2000 12:51:31 -0800

OK, I'll bid $90.00 (Canadian not U.S.)


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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross Cannister Bag
Date: 21 Mar 2000 12:04:53 -0900

Peter Anderson wrote:

> P.S.  I discovered that I am a 'hot' and not a wet blower - I have never
> heard this term before but it means that hot breath will not cause moisture
> to condense on the drone reeds but instead condenses further along the
> system i.e. at the top of your drones.  The only cure for this was the Ross
> bag or I could drink yet more Malt and dehydrate myself, no I am trying that
> already and it does not work -;)

Interesting, Peter - I have always felt that the term "wet blower" was a
misnomer, at least in my case, as I _know_ i'm not slobbering into the bag (in
fact my mouth tends to get very dry after a half hour or so of piping).  I think
the condensation is a factor of several different parameters, including
temperature of the breath, relative humidity of the breath, and environmental
temperature and humidity.

Cheers,

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From: [e-mail] (TLER4)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 21:12:36 GMT

>The English were no worse than any other European country and if you
>consider what the Irish did to Protestants during the 1500-1700s then I
>would think that you would understand why the English disliked the
>Irish so much.

Yeah huh !!!!

>I like many other members of polite society would have
>taken offense to your remarks.  While I have pro-British, pro-Unionist
>and pro-Protestant ideas, I would never make insulting remarks to other
>people nor make them uncomfortable.  That is just rude, you should have
>the good sense of respecting other's points of view.
>
>While I disagree with people, I would prefer to debate them about the
>subject not insult them.  All jokes and gestures aside from this
>Newsgroup, I really do not understand the need for insulting people.
>Any remarks that I make on this NG are always in fun and I am sure that
>most understand that.

Dude  get a Life !!!!!!




>In this case I would ask that you do reply to this e-mail with either a
>good explanation or an apology.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Ryan Jones

a bit 'stuffy' don't you think !!!!!


maybe you should have a pint of Guinness
or a bottle of Bud or a glass of Bass (mentioned three from different
contries---didn't want to offend anyone) and relax a bit........might do you
some good....


bk
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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 12:21:36 -0900

Are you a full time bigot, or just when you're full of green beer?

Get a life,

Michael


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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 21:28:59 GMT


> More than half of those who DO actually have some Irish
> in them have no concept of Irish history. So for someone to get into
his cups,
> and start making stupid remarks based on some program they sort of
remember
> seeing as they were getting pissed.... rather like inciting a riot.
> It's stupid comments in crowded bars by brain-dead people that keep
some
> prejudices alive and thriving - and spoil the day for anyone looking
for a good
> time with good music.

I am in total agreement, people should go out for the fun of the day
not the politics.  No matter what political feelings exist, people are
still just people and they should learn to put their differences aside
in those situations.  At the very least have the tact and good taste
not to say bigoted comments and then repeat them here.

Sincerely,

Ryan Jones


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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: reccomendations on Blackwood P/Cs
Date: 21 Mar 2000 21:19:42 GMT

In article <6ApB4.55568$[e-mail]>,
"grrawe" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I am currently looking for a new P/C and would like to get a few
> opinions. Thanks
>
> Gene
> --
> Free audio & video emails, greeting cards and forums
> Talkway - http://www.talkway.com - Talk more ways (sm)
>
>



The idea of a "blackwood" p/c makes no sence to me!!!  Why would anyone spend
that much more money for blackwood when they could spend it toward a much
more durable plastic chanter.  I can't understand the benifit of having a
blackwood PRACTICE chanter.  It seems such a waste of wood.  Save it for a
real chanter where the difference matters.  It just seems so impractical to
have a blackwood p/c that is going to be exposed to great amounts of
moisture.  Wouldn't a plastic chanter make much more practial/econimcal
sence.

As far as recomendations I would go with a long poly Naill.  Gibson is good
as well but I find that it is hard to keep the bottom hand closed due to the
way the c and d are cut.  There is a closeness between the c and d and I find
this p/c a pain in the ass to play.  No prob with the pipe chanters tho!

Sean




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From: ccc31807 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 21 Mar 2000 09:03:09 -0800

This is true, and raises the question - would you play at
private gigs for free?

My answer is - certainly not always, but I find myself playing
more free gigs than paying ones, at charitable events, churches,
schools, etc. After all, this is what we do, and I don't think
that we should be so mercenary as to never play except for
payment.

Anyway, getting back to the original question, in the event of a
conflict between a paying gig (or a non-paying for that matter)
and a competition, Zu said we should have no fixed rule but
decide on a case by case basis. John said that we should always
compete, regardless of the nature of the gig. I agree with Zu,
that we cannot commit inflexibly to one of the other, but must
treat each situation individually, even though I respect John
for his poinion.


In article <8b734e$l7q$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>[e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:
>> 4. Let's be mercenary for a minute. Sometimes we all need a
little
>extra cash.
>> Several times I've been registered to compete at games, and a
funeral
>or some
>> other last-minute gig comes in. You can't do both. Sometimes
I have
>to go for
>> the money.
>>
>> Remember, I'm not in a band. So I'm not letting anybody down
if I
>decide not
>> to compete.
>
>Zu,
>
>    There is alot to be said about earning a little extra money
playing
>gigs, but it cannot take over your entire life.  You once said
that you
>objected to band playing because you were not paid for it, yet
that
>same attitude drives solo competitions.  Until you get into the
top
>professional contests you are not paid, does that fact keep you
from
>participating.
>
>     You will not get rich from playing jobs and if your
attitude is
>just about making money than solo and band competitions do not
seem
>advisable.  The difference between solo and band competitions
is that
>with band competitions you are a member of team.  To be
absolutely
>honest, given the choice of only being able to compete in solos
or
>band, I would readily choose band.
>
>      If the only reason that you play is to make money, try
taking up
>a more profitable business such as a paper route or such.
Without
>trying to be critical at all, I am just saying that you should
be
>playing for the enjoyment of the music not to profit off of it.
>
>Ryan
>
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From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: reccomendations on Blackwood P/Cs
Date: 21 Mar 2000 22:03:46 GMT

>f it weren't for the fact that I have spent close to $1500 in the last
>month on piping, I'd buy one for myself!!!! It's just a little tough
>justifying all of this spending lately!!!!!! LOL!!!!!! SOMEBODY STOP

I asked your husband Al about the above at the Jacksonville Games. He didn't
answer but had  the most resighned look I have ever seen on anyone's face in my
life.

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (DOC2PPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 22:20:04 GMT

>and if you
>>consider what the Irish did to Protestants during the 1500-1700s then I
>>would think that you would understand why the English disliked the Irish so
much.


Strictly as an American with no real vested interest in the situation(I know I
am gonna regret this) what exactly did the Irish do to the Protestants in the
1500-1700's
Oh and by the way weren't the Protestants Irish as well? and what the hell does
any of this have to do with bagpiping?!
I think you got some issues dude
accompanied by some seriously skewed notions of history

Happy St Patricks Day(he didn't care what church you went to)
Play those pipes loud people!

J Korber

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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 21 Mar 2000 22:46:25 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
ferraridrones <[e-mail]> wrote:
> And by
> the way... most of the Krons that are out here sound like they are
> muted... the chanter overwelms the drones, even when playing a nose
> bleed reed.

Might sound that way when you've been accustomed to playing diesel
horns.

>And why is it that Alisdair Gillies sent the Pink Ivory
> pipes he played at the QM back?

Why is it that you are lying?

>Could it be that it is the player that
> makes the pipe?

The player *always* makes the pipe - any pipe.

>Or could it be that they were only good enough to make
> it through an indoor weekend but not up to snuff for outdoor events?

I see your point.  Bring over your Glubh-Mohrs, I've been needing to
peel the paint off of the '58 Biscayne I'm restoring.

> The experience we have had with Kron pipes here is that they are for
> solo playing indoors.

Install some drone reeds and see if that helps.

>That might be great if you never compete, but in
> the real world,

In the real world, competitors don't typically play diesel horns.

>most of us have to play outdoors, and in groups at
> times where you need to be heard and where the sound has to carry.

If the judges are standing that far away from you, it means you're
playing badly.

> Give
> me a set of Booth's anyday, with their great Henderson sound... now
> that's a pipe.

I thought Hendersons were the only pipes which sound like Hendersons,
except on Thursdays when they sound like Robertsons.

>I know that there aren't any great pipers on Booth
> yet... but ask any of the dealers around the country that are trying
to
> compete with Booth pipes and they will all say the same thing... "they
> are great pipes... and no I can't match the package price on any of
the
> AB pipes I sell..."

That's quite a stretch - the premise being that all pipes are created
under same standard of quality and craftsmanship.  You used to get
vacations to Six Flags when you bought an AMC Pacer.  The Aston-Martin
dealer would offer the car only.

>Have I set myself up for attack... sure have...
> come play against me anytime...

First week in May good for you?

Mark


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 22:51:37 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (TLER4) wrote:
> >The English were no worse than any other European country and if you
> >consider what the Irish did to Protestants during the 1500-1700s
then I
> >would think that you would understand why the English disliked the
> >Irish so much.
>
> Yeah huh !!!!

Obviously you are not an British history major, but if you actually
took the time into writing your responses you would know that the
Catholics killed far more Protestants in the course of Northern
Ireland's history.

>
> >I like many other members of polite society would have
> >taken offense to your remarks. While I have pro-British, pro-Unionist
> >and pro-Protestant ideas, I would never make insulting remarks to
other
> >people nor make them uncomfortable. That is just rude, you should
have
> >the good sense of respecting other's points of view.
> >
> >While I disagree with people, I would prefer to debate them about the
> >subject not insult them. All jokes and gestures aside from this
> >Newsgroup, I really do not understand the need for insulting people.
> >Any remarks that I make on this NG are always in fun and I am sure
that
> >most understand that.
>
> Dude get a Life !!!!!!

Why don't you get a life.  You are probably the product of some new age
celtic revival movement... ah Braveheart was a good movie, but look at
the people it attracts to piping.

>
> >In this case I would ask that you do reply to this e-mail with
either a
> >good explanation or an apology.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >Ryan Jones
>
> a bit 'stuffy' don't you think !!!!!

Actually I bet that if I had been making upscene references on this NG
about Michael Collins or Gerry Adams you would have been upset...

> maybe you should have a pint of Guinness
> or a bottle of Bud or a glass of Bass (mentioned three from different
> contries---didn't want to offend anyone) and relax a bit........might
do you
> some good....

I do not segregate beers nor people, thus I do not care for this overly
subdued reference.  In response I can tell you that I care for Guinness
as much as Budweiser, but neither can top Bass.

While reading another posting by you, regarding fire department and
police bands, I see that you continue to make the reference of 'celtic
pride.'  I have no celtic pride, but instead pride in my Scottish,
Scots-Irish and English heritage not the popular catch
phrase 'celtic.'  Furthermore I can see that you are most likely a no-
talent hack that hides behind this 'celtic pride' as excuse for poor
playing and even poorer attitudes.

If you do not think that such conversation is annoying or hurtful, what
if I told you to shut your "micky" mouth.  Does that stir up your
emotions?  Why don't you try venting to the Irish Echo or someone that
cares.

Sincerely,

A non-political Ryan Jones






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From: "Geoff Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Help re finding Cockerel in the Creel
Date: 22 Mar 2000 09:44:14 +1100

Yes that's correct, Book 6, page 31.


<[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> In a previous article, "Peter Anderson" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >This is a Donald MacLeod tune and I cannot find it in his books 1 to 5 -
any
> >suggestions please.
> >
> >
>   Try book 6  - I've seen it in print somewhere , and that's probably
> where.
> chris
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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 21 Mar 2000 23:11:04 GMT

>What? Where'd that come from? I didn't see but maybe one person out of all
>the
>posts on the subject that agreed with you Dave.

I remember several different posts that pegged the average entry fee at around
$10-$12.  Sounds like agreement to me.

>Your statement about them being "uproven in solos" is ridiculous.

Explain your statement.  If they have never offered solos before, they're
unproven as far as I'm concerned.

>and the prize money is
>the highest I've ever seen.
>And you could possibly win MONEY

Here we go again with the prize money.

>Didn't you instigate this whole thing by
>sending private emails to the guy complaining about high fees that so far
>only
>you have complined about? Then you brought your one man war here.

Yes I did.  The point is, people OUGHT to complain.  It's ridiculous.

Dave

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From: [e-mail] (Lura)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: reccomendations on Blackwood P/Cs
Date: 21 Mar 2000 17:45:47 -0500 (EST)

Ah ha - a question on which I have some expertise!   I seem to have
somehow acquired a collection of ps's (probably because its cheaper to
acquire and experiment with them than with the actual pipes).

I have these pc's:

Blackwood: Old Lawrie, Gillanders&Mcleod,
                    AlexanderGael long
Plastic: Dunbar, Naill delux, Cushing long
Rosewood: One Paki
Shesham: One Paki
Cocus: One Paki, One Paki long

Without question the best is the Lawrie.   However - surprise - guess
which is #2?
I paid $44 for it.  I thought it was a piece of trash because with
normal pc reeds it sounded awful, but then one day I bought a different
looking pc reed, I forgot the brand, but it looks something like a
smallpipe reed, wide and squared off.   I tried the new reed in all my
pc's but when I put it in the Paki Cocus Long - an amazing thing
happened. Suddenly this dog chanter came alive.   I took it to my
private lesson and my instructor couldn't believe it, that a paki could
play so good.   It tunes up Perfectly with all the other chanters in my
group lesson, and every note is dead on.   Hard to believe, but true.
My shesham and rosewood's are also excellent chanters when reeded up
right (I use cane for them).   So save yourself the money.

Of the rest, I'd rate my Dunbar plastic best.

I've heard an instructor's plastic Bishop and yet another's plastic
True-tone and they both sound excellent.

The best pc I've ever heard is the silver-fitted one played by Donald
Lindsay, but I dont know what brand it is.   However, being
silver-fitted, it probably cost a fortune, may be custom made, and
additionally, it may just sound so good because it is set up by a
Master.   How you set it up makes a Huge difference.   Does anyone know
what brand Donald plays?

So I'd say, save the money and get a Paki or a plastic pc, and then,
-once you've got the $5000 set of bagpipes-  then if you're still
looking for something to blow money on, get the expensive pc!     :-)


lura


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From: Don Robertson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bagpipe Related Tattoos...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 15:11:45 -0800

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I second that nomination. I would however suggest that if you get your
"chanter" tattooed, that you also get your, "bag", tattooed with an appropriated
tartan cover.
<br>Cheers
<br>Don
<p>Michael McWilliams wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>I haven't been hanging around hereabouts for too
long...and I may have just
<br>fallen off the proverbial turnip truck...but...
<p>I hereby nominate this message as the grand winner in the THE INNOVATIVE
<br>TROLL OF THE MONTH competition! ! !
<p>Do I have a second?
<p>PS: LongPiper...to paraphrase a classic line from Braveheart..."Some
men's
<br>chanters are longer than others."
<p>Slàinte!
<p>Michael McWilliams
<br>Cohasset, MA
<p>LongPiper <[e-mail]> wrote in message
<br><a href="news:[e-mail]">news:[e-mail]</a>...
<br>> I'm thinking of getting a tattoo of somethig bagpipe related.
<br>> Does anyone have any WORTHWHILE suggestions?  If you have
<br>> something in gif or jpg format and would send it to me that would
<br>+*> be great.  Or if you can tell me where to find the pic that
would
<br>> be fine also.  If anyone else has piping tats let me know...My
<br>> fiance recommended I have chanter holes tattooed on my 'Big
<br>> Chanter'.  Any suggestions?
<br>>
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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 21 Mar 2000 23:16:06 GMT

>This is true, and raises the question - would you play at
>private gigs for free?
>

Sure, sometimes.  For a couple of charity events, at my daughters' school, for
International Day at work, things like that.

>My answer is - certainly not always, but I find myself playing
>more free gigs than paying ones,

That was true when I first started piping.  The free gigs outnumbered the paid
ones something like 3 to 1.  Then gradually the ratio evened out, and now it's
probably 10% free, 90% paid.

>After all, this is what we do, and I don't think
>that we should be so mercenary as to never play except for
>payment.

True, and depending on who's doing the hiring, I give them a much-reduced rate.
 Schools and such don't have a lot of money.

OTOH, I finally figured out that wedding people have tons of money, and I
charge accordingly.

Funerals are somewhere in the middle.

Zu

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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bagpipe Related Tattoos...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 18:27:58 -0500



Zudupiper wrote:

> Edinburgh Military Tattoo for one

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From: Doug Campbell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Dr. MacInnes (Hornpipe)
Date: 21 Mar 2000 18:19:14 -0500

One of my favorite hornpipes - a great tune -  is "Lucy Cassidy".
I don't know what collection it's in, I've only got an orphan xerox.
Not too too hard except for that short c in the last bar of each part.

Doug C.


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 21 Mar 2000 23:40:58 GMT

>I remember several different posts that pegged the average entry fee at
>around
>$10-$12.  Sounds like agreement to me.

I think they agreed with your numbers, but not your sentiments.

>Explain your statement.  If they have never offered solos before, they're
>unproven as far as I'm concerned.

Well I could be wrong here, but isn't it tougher to organize a band comp than a
solo comp? Logic would seem to dictate that. So if they can do a good job at
organizing band comps (I hear they have the highest prize money, AND are on of
the better organized games around, so who can argue?

>Yes I did.  The point is, people OUGHT to complain.  It's ridiculous.

Well since you are the ONLY ONE whose done so so far, I think this is a one man
war.
I've been in touch with Ernie (organizer for those games) and as of yesterday
they had received a total of (1) that's "one" complaint regarding fees.
That says it all...
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: "Mark Scheen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: plastic versus cane
Date: 21 Mar 2000 23:44:06 GMT


"ccc31807" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> And a paradox: If you talk to pipers who know what they are
> doing, they will tell you that cane reeds without any doubt
> produce the best results. They sound better, and you cannot be a
> competant piper unless you use cane reeds. Yet these same
> pipers, if you study under them, will set you up with synthetic
> drone reeds. In fact, a much larger percentage of journeyman
> pipers use the synthetics than cane, despite the fact that
> synthetics cost about five times as much as cane. If cane sounds
> better and is much, much, cheaper, why do most pipers use
> synthetics?

     IMHO, I think convenience is your primary reason here.  Cane reeds can
be a bother, as they require a good deal of futzing, scraping, blowing in,
balancing, etc. to get them playing well.  Once you have them playing well,
you have to play them every day (at least 5-6 days a week) or you have to
coax and fiddle with them to get them going well again -- a process which
can take days.  If you have condesation/moisture problems, they can shut off
after a period of playing.  In a world of instant gratification, they don't
fit in.

     Having said all this, I play cane drone reeds.  Maybe it's because I
don't mind fiddling with things to get them working just right.

Regards,

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 21 Mar 2000 23:51:33 GMT

>>most of us have to play outdoors, and in groups at
>> times where you need to be heard and where the sound has to carry.

Yeah sure! There's always that odd moment when your going into battle, and your
orders have changed, and you need to "pipe" the message to the rear echelon.
Oh wait! Booths??? You meant send a message to your mates at the beer tent to
bring more suds.

>> Give
>> me a set of Booth's anyday, with their great Henderson sound... now
>> that's a pipe.
>

Only one comment suits this statement:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
There, thats it.

BTW, if you (not you Mark, the deaf guy) want to elude to my qualifications to
make that statement again, I'll repeat what I said the first time, so read it
VERY carefully this time. I said:
There are OTHERS (as in not me) that CAN tell the difference.
Booths are fine horns, but saying they sound like vintage Hendersons is plain
crazy.

>You used to get
>vacations to Six Flags when you bought an AMC Pacer.

Dammit! And I bought a AMC Gremlin instead...

Scotia Aye!
Bill


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Subject: (bagpipe) FS: Sliding Truck Window
Date: 21 Mar 2000 23:14:39 GMT

For sales: Sliding Rear Window. Fits 94-95 Ford Ranger $40.00
Also steel folding ladder for sale    $50.00
Other miscellaneous items.
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Subject: (bagpipe) Tune Search
Date: 22 Mar 2000 10:10:15 +1100

I am looking for the printed notes of Bratach Bana, either pipe music or
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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 00:13:02 GMT

>what exactly did the Irish do to the Protestants in the
>1500-1700's
>Oh and by the way weren't the Protestants Irish as well? and what the hell
>does
>any of this have to do with bagpiping?!

Or another good question is:Why the hell would the brits hate the Irish for
killing off other Irish?
Scotia Aye!
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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bagpipe Related Tattoos...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 00:04:08 GMT

>My
>fiance recommended I have chanter holes tattooed on my 'Big
>Chanter'.

From what she tells me, you'll only fit the LG, A, and B holes on that tiny
target, but maybe the tattoo artist can use a kids chanter for the model, and
at least get the lower hand on there.
(Just kidding Long piper, it's all in good fun)
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 00:32:44 GMT

>  Here's the thing... More than half the revelers in any bar on St. Patrick's
>Day aren't even Irish.

How true.

 More than half of those who DO actually have some
>Irish
>in them have no concept of Irish history.  So for someone to get into his
>cups,
>and start making stupid remarks based on some program they sort of remember
>seeing as they were getting pissed.... rather like inciting a riot.
>    It's stupid comments in crowded bars by brain-dead people>>

I've generally found that thats all bars are good for, stupid drunks, and even
stupider comments.
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 00:25:37 GMT

>Obviously you are not an British history major,

Ryan,
Far be it from me to ruin our newly found truce, but...
The truth is, you haven't seen or heard anything about real history yet. The
public schools (even most private ones) are so full of crap that after four
years of college, and some "real education in college" you'll realize that your
history education up to grade12 is about controling your mind with their made
up propoganda.
Public schools teach outrageously stupid things like "Columbus came to this
barren empty rock, and discovered it" and that the rest was accomplished by
John wayne slaughtering the local savages who scalped (English custom brought
here by white men, then done to the native americans, who prompty copied their
actions) wimmen and children in their sleep. THATS the kind of history you've
learned so far.

>Furthermore I can see that you are most likely a no-
>talent hack that hides behind this 'celtic pride' as excuse for poor
>playing and even poorer attitudes.
>
Ahk! Here we go again. Anyone who disagrees with you is a no talent hack...
You wore that phrase out on me yesterday.

>Obviously you are not an British history major,

According to your profile neither are you. You list your major as "computer
sciences."
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (BostonPiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: First parade notes, or a funny thing happened to me at the parade today.
Date: 22 Mar 2000 00:24:35 GMT

Now that's funny. It made me think about it--why is it that we want everyone to
think we don't wear undergarments?  It can't just be tradition. If it was, what
would we care what everyone thought. Then it dawned on me while reading your
message; think of the "priceless expression" had you left your underwear at
home.

The age-old question presents us with a new question: What do lady pipers wear
under their kilts?

Thanks for sharing, Bill.

-Adam

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: First parade notes, or a funny thing happened to me at the parade today.
Date: 22 Mar 2000 00:46:52 GMT

>Now that's funny.

It was several minutes before I came out of shock long enough to really laugh
about it, but it was pretty funny, I only wish I could better describe that
"Piranha" look she had on her face.
>Then it dawned on me while reading your
>message; think of the "priceless expression" had you left your underwear at
>home.

Well even weather permitting I could't go "regimental" because I needed pockets
for my car keys, and black N' tan money, so I really had no choice.
Question: What do you more experienced pipers use for your keys and money
during the summer months? I don't plan on wearing skivies in the summer...
I guess if she attends the games she can get another run at me LOL.
Scotia Aye!
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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: plastic versus cane
Date: 22 Mar 2000 00:52:56 GMT

>  IMHO, I think convenience is your primary reason here.  Cane reeds can
>be a bother, as they require a good deal of futzing, scraping, blowing in,
>balancing, etc. to get them playing well.

Our instructor and I talked about this recently. I brought up how our EZ drones
(with Zudutongues) had after 3 mos of not seeing daylight, suddenly ceased to
function with no other obvious changes to our pipes.
He said synthetics are Plug N' Play, but at some point they require
maintainence and adjustments, whereas cane need the fiddling up front, but then
give several months if not years of trouble free play.
The old "pay now, or pay later" syndrome.
Scotia Aye!
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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-Shirt Masterpiece
Date: 22 Mar 2000 00:56:21 GMT

>Full frontal image of Donald
>Muir, 42nd Royal Highland Regiment of Foot, Crimean War, portrat
>commissioned by Queen Victoria 1856.  Those familiar with my web site know
>the picture.

Great pic Ron! I used it for a desktop for many months, and also printed it
onto a iron on transfer for my tee shirt. I designed one for our instructor
with that pic also that says "I think he maybe Irish" under the pic (he's
Irish.)
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 00:26:12 GMT

>OK, I'll bid $90.00 (Canadian not U.S.)

I'll go 95$ CND
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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Subject: (bagpipe) Pipers third hand
Date: 22 Mar 2000 01:55:57 GMT

Can anyone tell me what a pipers third hand is and what does it do? Thanks

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North American Celti Arts Festival Gimme My Tickets!
Date: 22 Mar 2000 02:08:29 GMT

On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 22:52:59 -0800, ferraridrones
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Royce,
>
>Try e-mailing them or calling instead of biching on the NG... all you
>will do is stir the wrong pot...

I have an idea. I'll bitch to the NG and email them too....gee, here
comes the instant reply from the NG. Hmm....no response from the
email. Maybe getting the confirmation you need instantly is what I
wanted. Maybe instant information is the right pot to stir after all.

>by the way... I talked to them today
>and they said everthing has been sent out. Yeh, they had a glitch with
>the printing company, however that has been handled, all materials went
>out yesterday.

Got the wife's confirmation and tickets on Saturday. Oddly enough
though, because the way you have to get them when you register for
classes for the discount, she and I don't get to sit together for the
SFU concert.

Royce


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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 22 Mar 2000 02:11:12 GMT

On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:20:46 -0800, ccc31807
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>It is patently ridiculous to expect that solo entry fees come
>anywhere close to covering a piping competition. If you have 50
>contestants and the entry fee is $10, that is a total of $500 in
>entry fees. 100 contestants at $12 each is $1,200. The budget
>for a competition is at least a minimum of $7,000, and for a
>larger competition is more like $15,000. Solo entry fees are a
>drop in the bucket compared to the total cost. Charge too much
>and you chase off competitors.

Gee. Wonder how COMPANA is going to fund its competitions with 500
bucks. Won't put on much of a blowout.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 22 Mar 2000 02:18:14 GMT

>Can anyone tell me what a pipers third hand is and what does it do? Thanks

It comes in very handy with the more complex Karma Sutra positions.

Cheers,

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (M3967)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 22 Mar 2000 02:30:51 GMT

It covers and seals the necesary holes on the bottom hand of the chanter so
your bottom hand is free to tune your drones while you play an A.  Best
piping gadget i ever purchased.

Mike Baechler

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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Schwing!
Date: 21 Mar 2000 21:34:17 -0500

Just got back from my honeymoon ... can't wait to try out my wedding
present from the lovely Heather ... a brand-new set of silver-mounted
Roddy MacLellan bagpipes !!!!!

(for the curious, I got her a silver-n-ivory Kron practice chanter).

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 21 Mar 2000 19:50:06 -0700

For someone who by their own admission has NEVER seen or heard a set of Booth
pipes you sure have a lot of opinions about them. Why don't you pull your head
out?
An old saying comes to mind which you should pay particular heed to. It seems to
apply to you particularly well.
"It's better to let people think you are an idiot than to open you mouth and
remove all doubt"

Don

Beginnertunes wrote:

> >you can't tell the difference between Booth and a SWEET set of old
> >Hendersons.
>
> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO
> LOLOLOLOLOLOL
> Maybe you should've said "I" can't tell the difference between them, because
> there are plenty here who could...easily... with one ear closed and their
> hearing aids off.
> Scotia Aye!
> Bill

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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Dr. MacInnes (Hornpipe)
Date: 21 Mar 2000 21:40:17 -0500

On 20 Mar 2000 02:12:26 GMT, [e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:

>I want to learn a hornpipe, but a lot of them are pretty technique-heavy.  I
>was browsing through the Donald MacLeod books and found this one.  It doesn't
>seem too forbidding, and I've heard the tune before.

The tune is called "Doctor MacInnes' Fancy".

>Does anybody play it these days?

Simon Fraser University opened their medley in 1999 with a round
version of it.  The City of Toronto band made it famous back in the
early 1970s with an excellent pointed version ... into "The Glen Is
Mine"  ... sweet ...


Chris
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From: John Berenyi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) DJ Service For Weddings, Parties, and Stomps
Date: 21 Mar 2000 19:31:33 -0700

Call Retro-Man at 801-985-3990.   We have plenty of open time
available.  Mention you saw it on the internet and we'll give you a
discount.

John


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From: Don Robertson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Cane Drone Reeds
Date: 21 Mar 2000 18:51:40 -0800

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
Hi All, Since there has been a lot of talk about Synth' drone reeds how
about something on cane. I have been looking at two makers, McNaulty and
Lumsden. Has anyone used these and is there really any difference?
<br>Cheers
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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 21 Mar 2000 22:27:14 -0400


Firdude391 wrote in message
<[e-mail]>...
>Can anyone tell me what a pipers third hand is and what does it do? Thanks

It is a moulded piece of soft plastic...a plastic cover, that you can slide
onto your chanter at the bottom end and cover all the holes normally covered
by your right hand.

It allows you to blow a high A and tune your drones at the same time.  It is
an aid used by beginning pipers, very handy,.......... but you should
quickly outgrow the need for it.

They are fairly cheap, about $10CAN...........after about a week to ten days
you will misplace it and a couple of days later you won't care if you find
it again or not.........................but handy to begin with..........

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From: RachelAnne <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 19:12:42 -0800

Wow, got you people ALL stirred up.  I meant absolutely nothing
racist or hateful.  We were all drunked up and I just wanted to
stir up the bar a little bit.  I really had no idea there were
any actual Brits there.  But, to be honest, if I had known in
advance I can't say I wouldn't have done it.  I guess I just
don't see the big deal.  I'm an American that could not care less
about the Crown.  If 1000 Brits threatened to kill the President
I'd say, "Watch out for Secret Service, they're mean bastards!!",
I wouldn't start a fight because they offended my patriotic
nature.  My family has been in this country for 5 generations so
even though I have a Scottish surname, I'm a mix of a lot of
nationalities.  Hey, people, it was no big deal.  Just because
these people took it a helluva lot farther than I intended
doesn't make me responsible; we were all adults as far as I could
tell and most of the people getting REALLY rowdy looked like they
were born when Vicky was still around.  Besides, with a history
of Irish, Scottish, Welsh, and ESPECIALLY English soccer
hooligans, I should not be made to feel bad about anything.
These people willingly and gleefully denegrate and kill each
other.  I meant nothing insulting (at least not seriously...)
Some of you people should lighten up a little bit.  For those of
you who saw what I intended by this (HUMOR), you are truly
enlightened...

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 03:29:52 GMT

>"It's better to let people think you are an idiot than to open you mouth and
>remove all doubt"

Then why would YOU post here?

Once more for comic value:
Booth are as good sounding as vintage Hendersons...

MUHAHAHAHA !
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 03:26:14 GMT

>Wow, got you people ALL stirred up.  I meant absolutely nothing
>racist or hateful.  We were all drunked up <snip>

The Kieffer returns!


Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: RachelAnne <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bagpipe Related Tattoos...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 19:31:27 -0800

Is she going to put one of those rubber mouthpiece protectors on
before she blows your 'chanter'?  That way you could practice
safe piping and not have to worry about getting your 'chanter'
chewed up.

RachelAnne

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 22 Mar 2000 03:39:41 GMT

>If you ave a girlfriend or wife you won't need it anyways...

Except it doesn't fetch yer beer for you, so keep the other around too.
Scotia Aye!
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From: +MacKinley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shepherd Mark I Drone reeds FOR SALE
Date: 21 Mar 2000 21:47:08 -0600

our band has nine sets for sale, brand new.  if anybody would like
them, email me direct.

MacKinley
Kerlin-Farina Scottish Pipe Band
Cudahy/ Milwaukee

Shawn Husk wrote:

> Two set's available. One set is slightly used the other
> is new.
>
> $20 for the used set, $25 for the new set.
>
> Shawn

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: King of All Media
Date: 22 Mar 2000 03:57:26 GMT

On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:44:48 -0500, "Dan Peet" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Look a little bit deeper Bob, the gentleman who  invented the game while
>teaching in MA was a Canadian.  I think that is what John is getting at.
>Dan

That's why he never thought to cut out the bottom of the peach
baskets. Took an American to figure that out.

Anyway, he was talking about that boring "Canadian game, basketball,"
and I think we have to admit that Canadian basketball is boring.

Royce

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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Schwing!
Date: 21 Mar 2000 23:48:55 -0500

On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:52:38 -0900, Michael New & Diane Rossmiller
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Chris Hamilton wrote:
>
>> Just got back from my honeymoon ... can't wait to try out my wedding
>> present from the lovely Heather ... a brand-new set of silver-mounted
>> Roddy MacLellan bagpipes !!!!!
>>
>> (for the curious, I got her a silver-n-ivory Kron practice chanter).
>
>Wait a minute...she got you a set of silver mounted Roddy MacLellan
>pipes, and you got her a _practice chanter_?!?!?!?!
>
>Get thee to a jewelers, son...

Yeah, well in addition to the big rings ... I am not totally
clueless...

Chris
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From: "Maynard R. Johnson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: getting rich off the internet
Date: 21 Mar 2000 23:22:59 -0500

It might be worth the stamps and dollars to ask Mr. Davis and his other
addressees to add

Janet Reno
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington D.C. 20530-0001

to his list.  DOJ might be interested to see who sends them money.

AMK wrote:

> Thank you so much for giving us your address Art, what a smart guy.
> Unfortunately I am not able to send you $6.00 at this time,
> I need it for postage.  I'm sending you a little something in the mail
> for your troubles.  Sorry I can't reciprocate my address as you have.
> <BTW> Gotten' alot of money off of rec.music.bagpipes?
> Those Scott's love giving their money away, huh? AmK
>
> > #6) Arthur E. Davis
> > 173 SE Spruce Rd
> > Port ORchard, WA 98367
> >
> >


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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lee Rocket Top-off Approach
Date: 22 Mar 2000 04:26:47 GMT

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:44:03 -0500, madman <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>Royce really....you just destroyed your reeds.
>
>Your approach is rather crude.

So is my language but my little girl is now fining me every time I
swear so I'm working on it.

>The strength of the reed tongue is determind by its BASE x thickness
>cubed.
>Even crudely filing off .0003 is going to have an enormous deliterious
>effect on performance....and you'll ruin the tongues if you're not
>careful.

I'm always careful. By the way, sanding glass is a pain in the, well,
I just save a fine I guess.

>Get them milled professionally,and re-set if need be.
>Check your pressure on a manometer FFS.

The neat thing about that is it applies to guys who are then willing
and able to consistently set up their chanter to that pressure and not
let it just be a crap shoot depending on what new reed they put in
each week or two.

>I always get  a chuckle when Mark Lee tells me how guys call him up and
>CLAIM that they're playing a true medium reed and then he sends out a
>set of reeds and
>they start bitching that they can't get them off the double tone.
>Check your pressure...a manometer doesn't lie.
>Get the reeds set at a 16" double tone,that'll take you up to 48" of
>water before shut-off.

Yes, that's my point about the operating pressure. They'll work over a
wide range and unless you really know by the numbers what pressure
you're operating at, you can't tell by the reed behavior or tone
whether or not they're at an optimum setting.
>
>The fact of the matter is that *your* reeds were one of the original
>first sets
>that were made,and somehow in translation of *your* operating pressure,
>and Marks idea of operating pressure(really high like 50" on a
>manometer),
>your set was made harder than the pressure you play at.

Right on. I actually have a table-top full off these reeds in various
configurations, set at mostly those higher pressures that I sorted
through to come up with the tone I liked best. There was also some
quesswork with bore diameters and pitch when matching them to the Glen
reproductions they're playing in.

>You could just send the reeds back ,and have them re-set to a  normal
>operating pressure(like setting the double tone at 18",which would allow
>for
>a complete shut-off at about 48"....a  LOT of leeway).

Right, though my main interest in writing the procedure was for those
who've got the reeds almost there bust missed the guess a hair. In my
case it's quite a lot off but in most cases, like I say, the sanding
may not even be necessary.
>
>This is not even an issue with Lee reeds.
>Its an issue with your set,which really, you just should have sent back
>and have them eased down a bit.

No thanks, did that myself. Also needed to de-balls the bass a bit
because Greig Sharp put a bush the size of the mouth of a pickle-jar
in it and it was just a hair over-the-top indoors, but that's not
something Mark can be blamed for.
>
>There is absolutely,emphatically,absolutely NO squealing or no-topping
>off when
>the pressure is set correctly for the pressure of the player.

And if you use the manometer and then stick to that forever you'll be
fine as they are sent.
>
>All of this shit about not being able to top them off or having them
>squeal on strike-in is being propagated by guys who started loaning out
>sets that WERE MADE WITH A
>SPECIFIC PRESSURE AND BAGPIPE in mind,and then when they loan them out
>to another guy WHO PLAYS AT A DIFFERENT PRESSURE the guy whos borrowing
>the set starts whining and puning about shit that is a non-issue.

Well, how else is Mr. Berthoff going to get a set?

>Since the reeds only have a few user-friendly parameters,they get all
>bent out of shape that they don't have the knowledge or expertise to
>adjust the reeds on the fly,
>or use centuries old techniques on a state-of-the art design.
>Too bad.Check your pressure.

Hey, a mill, a nail file, it's all the same. You go watch some organ
tuner work on the same style of reed and he's in there with gobs of
wax or bits of solder and a little file. Point taken however, that if
you order correctly you don't need to adjust them, but as I say, it is
contrary to certain assertions going around, quite easy to adjust them
yourself if you so desire for whatever reason.
>
>Check your pressure on a manometer,don't guess,and don't loan out custom
>reeds,
>custom made with custom specs,tolerances,and custom operating-pressures.
>
>Listen to Gillies,Cusack and Livingstone,..guys playing at the top
>levels of competition
>and playing Lee Rockets...There is no fooking squealing and shit!

In solo work this isn't even a consideration. The problem I think is
only being claimed in band application where the attempt to guarantee
the "lazy man's" strike-in is what's being demanded. In other words,
all you have to do is blow up the bag and they go. The Lee reeds need
a little push, which used to be standard procedure.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lee Rocket Top-off Approach
Date: 22 Mar 2000 04:50:06 GMT

On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:26:35 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:
>Would you expect the same make of chanter reed to perform equally well
>in different makes of chanters?

I think the real problem though, is you aren't really sending drone
reeds out to be played with "one" chanter and reed, but a selection of
reeds and probably at least one chanter for band, and a solo chanter.
Unless the player can stick with a strength and a pitch and so forth
he's going to run into the top-off problems or whatever. If you don't
use a manometer, fine, but most pipers don't even have the common
sense to use the drones as a reference to reset the chanter when they
put in a new reed. If you get the drones set, that's enough to tell
you where to set up the next chanter reed. That's ass-backwards from
what most piper do though. They stick a reed in the chanter, notice
it's off of the drones, then screw with drone reeds that would have
been set for life to match a chanter reed they'll destroy in two
weeks.
>
>My reeds don't do well in some makes of pipes - and so, I don't make
>reeds for certain makes of pipes.  They do, however, perform
>particularly well in other makes.
>
>An unfortunate reality is that a piper will, sometimes, opt for an
>instrument based upon budget alone.  Another unfortunate reality is
>that many current production instruments don't give the piper much
>choice, tonally.  Try taking the edge off of those drones fitted with
>huge-ID bushes and small bottom-joint bores.  No matter what you do, it
>still sounds like a diesel horn.
>
>Obviously, the best answer is to have reeds fitted to drones at the
>maker's shop.

That's exactly what you do when you need a reed made for uilleann
pipes. You send the chanter or drones in and the maker or reed maker
custom designs reeds to work with your pressure and pitch and pipes.

Royce

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From: "Rick" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 21 Mar 2000 21:29:49 -0700

A 'piobaireachd high-A' works just as well, n'est-ce-pas?
Rick

dnimmo <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
>
> Firdude391 wrote in message
> <[e-mail]>...
> >Can anyone tell me what a pipers third hand is and what does it do?
Thanks

> It allows you to blow a high A and tune your drones at the same time.  It
is
> an aid used by beginning pipers, very handy,.......... but you should
> quickly outgrow the need for it.





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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Schwing!
Date: 21 Mar 2000 18:52:38 -0900

Chris Hamilton wrote:

> Just got back from my honeymoon ... can't wait to try out my wedding
> present from the lovely Heather ... a brand-new set of silver-mounted
> Roddy MacLellan bagpipes !!!!!
>
> (for the curious, I got her a silver-n-ivory Kron practice chanter).
>
> Chris
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Chris Hamilton
> [e-mail]
> http://toneczar.freeservers.com/

Wait a minute...she got you a set of silver mounted Roddy MacLellan
pipes, and you got her a _practice chanter_?!?!?!?!

Get thee to a jewelers, son...

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Dr. MacInnes (Hornpipe)
Date: 22 Mar 2000 04:36:12 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
Bob Cameron <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Add that- a lot of what are wqritten as "hornpipes" are not really
menat to be
> played as hornpipes- thaye have none of the feel of the old
traditional hornpies
> menat to be danced to- they are really a sort of bastardized reel.-
or a
> squared-out jig in some cases. The old-time hornpipes have more of a
good rocking
> feel , much less frenetic than a lot of the nr ew style which are
meant to be
> played "tempo di Tearass"(MHO)
>
> SirJ1314 wrote:
>
> > <And while we're talking hornpipes, how come they're so hard to
find in the
> > older books? Lots of books have either none at all, or only a
couple. But the
> > newer books have lots of them.>
> >
> > This is my theory. Hornpipes used to be played mostly for dancing.
Today,
> > hornpipes are used mosty for showing off how fast your fingers can
go in front
> > of other pipers. There are only a handful of good classic
hornpipes. On the
> > other hand, there are many hundreds more that are for the latter
purpose. A
> > lot of hornpipes today are nothing more than a bunch of jumbled
notes played
> > very round at break neck speed. Sure, they sound real cool when
played well,
> > but a lot lack musicality. And you don't really need to be some
brilliant
> > composer like Donald MacLeod or G.S. Maclennan to write a tune like
that.
> > Hornpipes just serve a different purpose today than they used to
and they are a
> > lot more popular now. So now days you get a lot of composers
writing a lot of
> > hornpipes with not always a great deal of thought going into all of
them.
> > Don't get me wrong, I love this new breed of hornpipes and I know
there are a
> > lot of GREAT composers today that write a lot of great tunes. But I
think the
> > great ones are just fewer and farther between than they used to be.
That's
> > just my humble opinion, I'm not saying it's the total truth, it's
just my
> > opinion.
> >
> > Cheers

Well, in my own humble opinion, I don't see what the big deal
about "modern style" or "Irish style" hornpipes is.  I hear lots of
(especially beginner) pipers complain about hornpipes being played too
round or too fast.  But the fact is, the modern day Scottish horpipe is
a musical form closely resembling a traditional 8 bar Irish reel.
There are good rounded out hornpipes and bad ones- just like there are
good and bad reels.  Just because something is played faster and
rounder doesn't mean there's "a lack of musicality" or lack of
expression, it just means the expression is more subtle.
    So if you want to argue about modern horpipes being true to the
form set out by tunes like "Jackie Tar" or "The Londenderry Hornpipe"
then no one will argue with you; they're undeniably a different sort of
tune.  But you can't tell me that a tune like "Donald MacLeod" (J.A.
Barrie) "Duncan Jonstone" (Donald MacLeod) or "Dr. MacGinnes's Fancy"
aren't just as musical and just as beautiful as a dum-dee-dum jaunty
dance horpipe.  And if you've ever taken the time to actually learn and
play a few of them you'll realize that there's much more to the
challenge of playing one of these tunes than playing "a big jumble of
notes played very round at breakneck speed."  Anyway, there's my two
cents on the issue.  Cheers,

                                                    Alex


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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lee Rocket Top-off Approach
Date: 22 Mar 2000 04:42:33 GMT

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:26:06 GMT, "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>Just a couple of observations, Dave.  Couldn't agree more with your cautions
>about radically alterning the manufacturer's product.  Although the
>procedures outlined may (and probably do) work, I would be uncomfortable
>prescribing them (the modifications) as the preferred method of gaining
>optimal performance from the reeds.

Well, lets just cut the BS, the only "modification" I discussed is
milling the tongue. I also said, if you may or may not need to do this
at all. However, Lee tongues aren't even glued on and if you screw it
up off it goes and you get another one. Moving the bridle and putting
a blob of wax on the tongue is hardly a modification and have been
standard procedure on every reed pipe in every organ and bagpipe
apparently other than your GHB for hundreds, even thousands of years.

In fact, though Mark has talked about setting the tongues with a heat
gun, I actually advised against this because, this *is* a
modification, and even a very slight change is *radical* in its
effect. Dave's cautions aside, even sanding the tongue has been far
far far less *radical* in its effect than making any attempt at
heat-bending the tongue. And as far as the wax goes, Mark didn't have
any objections to that tuning method at all. Mark indeed not only hits
operating pressure, but has to try to his operating pitch, which
changes sometimes as much as 20 cents from reed-to-reed or certainly
with the change of a chanter/reed setup. Once the bridle is set so is
your operating pressure. Moving that to change pitch is *radical*
while weighing the tongue is entirely effective in dropping pitch,
entirely controllable, reproduceable, and reversible.

In any case, you spent your first 25 years snapping, bending,
hair-jambing, butt-hacking and probably scraping cane drone reeds
anyway, so don't go on about not expecting to have to make "radical"
alterations to a reed.

>Most of us purchase reeds with the expectation that radical modifications
>will not be necessary in order to secure acceptable (or optimal) performance
>and sound from them.  I'm not saying that this is right or wrong.  I'm just
>stating what historical/traditional expectations have been.

I warned you not to go on about that.

>The thought
>would never occur to us to order a set of reeds for "my 1968 Henderson
>drones, turned by Greg Sharpe,

Because there is no such thing and never has been. Unless you mean,
"fake Hardie/Hendersons packed up and shipped by junior clark Sharp,
on his way to fetch the sandwiches for lunch."

Royce

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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Schwing!
Date: 22 Mar 2000 00:02:15 -0500

On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:48:55 -0500, Chris Hamilton
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:52:38 -0900, Michael New & Diane Rossmiller
><[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>Chris Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> Just got back from my honeymoon ... can't wait to try out my wedding
>>> present from the lovely Heather ... a brand-new set of silver-mounted
>>> Roddy MacLellan bagpipes !!!!!
>>>
>>> (for the curious, I got her a silver-n-ivory Kron practice chanter).
>>
>>Wait a minute...she got you a set of silver mounted Roddy MacLellan
>>pipes, and you got her a _practice chanter_?!?!?!?!
>>
>>Get thee to a jewelers, son...
>
>Yeah, well in addition to the big rings ... I am not totally
>clueless...
>
>Chris

And that was no cheap chanter either ... have you checked the price
and availability of ivory  lately?

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lee Rocket Top-off Approach
Date: 22 Mar 2000 05:17:27 GMT

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:42:46 -0500, madman <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>Ron Bowen wrote:
>>
>> Just a couple of observations, Dave.  Couldn't agree more with your cautions
>> about radically alterning the manufacturer's product.  Although the
>> procedures outlined may (and probably do) work,
>To me (and Mark) it doesn't matter if what Royce outlined *works* or
>not,in the pragmatic sense.
>There is no need to try and dick around with a *custom* reed if the
>customer is providing accurate information when the reeds are ordered.

That's all very well, but you're in this discussion on a
customer/maker interest level and all I'm outlining is a set of
physical adjustments that can be made on a piece of hardware by the
user. The algebraic elements of the argument are irrelevant, because
"if" "then" "wouldn't have the problem. Since the given was, that the
problem existed, why it existed is irrelevant.

Or, in other words, send it back to Mark and stop lying, or give up
and concede that your pipes are a special problem and use on-site
customization to make the problem go away.

As it is, my own Glen repro-installation uses almost no air now, is
sounding really too damned good to sell even though I have to to pay
for my Krons, and has a complete "no-punch" strike in except to purge
the last little wheeze from the middle tenor with another filing.
Granted, I can strike in without any "howl" or "hoot" as is, or even
really before with a slightly harder chanter reed. In any case, I've
just played them for three days in the snow and rain and they were
rock-steady throughout. The only negative effect was on Sunday
afternoon I took them out for band practice, and the bass seemed a bit
unsteady, not quite double-toning. I moved the bridle a bit but it got
worse. I dumped out all the water, but still a little goofy. After 10
minutes of stupidity, I just took the tongue off, wiped it off, and
replaced it and voila, it was beautiful again. I think water had
migrated under the bridle via capillary action because of the close
tolerances and was acting something like a hair under the tongue.

In any case, a little unsteadines in one reed actually full of water
the day after it all, isn't bad.
>
>You'll have to take this up with Mark himself,but Mark *will-not* make
>reeds
>for some pipes,due to the limitations of some pipes with his reeds.

To put this into proper perspective, I'd say Mark's reeds will work in
just about any set of pipes, but because Mark can't spend all day
tweaking a custom setup on difficult pipes and I as the user can, I'd
rather custom tweak than give up on Lee reeds in my set. My particular
set isn't one of the "difficult" ones, but as Dave pointed out, the
reeds I've got were not specifically made for the set they're in so it
amounts to the same sort of problem.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 05:35:13 GMT

On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:46:25 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:

>I see your point.  Bring over your Glubh-Mohrs, I've been needing to
>peel the paint off of the '58 Biscayne I'm restoring.

Talk about a "special interest" car. Kindofa waste of bondo.

Royce


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From: [e-mail] (Ryan Jones)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 05:57:49 GMT

>The
>public schools (even most private ones) are so full of crap that after four
>years of college, and some "real education in college" you'll realize that
>your
>history education up to grade12 is about controling your mind with their made
>up propoganda.
>Public schools teach outrageously stupid things like "Columbus came to this
>barren empty rock, and discovered it" and that the rest was accomplished by
>John wayne slaughtering the local savages who scalped (English custom brought
>here by white men, then done to the native americans, who prompty copied
>their
>actions) wimmen and children in their sleep.
>THATS the kind of history you've
>learned so far.

I do agree with that statement however this was from an honors history course
that I took at Wesleyan University last year, and believe it or not everything
that I quoted came from an Irish professor.

>Ahk! Here we go again. Anyone who disagrees with you is a no talent hack...
>You wore that phrase out on me yesterday.

Well if the phrase fits... actually the only part of this entire posting that
bothered me was some loser like TLER4 making statements (lies) that he could
not support.

>According to your profile neither are you. You list your major as "computer
>sciences."

I never claimed to be a History major or do I have any intention of become one,
yet from the history classes that I have taken I knew that not to be true.

Besides 'celtic' has become so an overused catch phrase to describe anything
British that anyone can trace back to that lineage.

Ryan Jones

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 22 Mar 2000 03:36:01 GMT

>Can anyone tell me what a pipers third hand is and what does it do?

If you ave a girlfriend or wife you won't need it anyways...
Scotia Aye!
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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 06:18:15 GMT


> Strictly as an American with no real vested interest in the situation
(I know I
> am gonna regret this) what exactly did the Irish do to the
Protestants in the
> 1500-1700's
> Oh and by the way weren't the Protestants Irish as well? and what the
hell does
> any of this have to do with bagpiping?!
> I think you got some issues dude
> accompanied by some seriously skewed notions of history

Well actually the majority of Protestants in N. Ireland during that
time were Scots-Irish or rather from Scotland.  Anyways to make a long
story short these two groups did not really get along that well and
there was quite a conflict between them.

I am American-born and bred myself, but unless you got some Indian
blood running through your veins then I doubt that is your heritage.
If you are really interested, I took a course in British history last
summer, from Reformation to Pre-colonialism and Norman Davies'
book "The Isles" gives a fair account from both prospectives.  After
doing some research see if you agree...

As to the comment that this has nothing to do with bagpiping, you are
absolutely right.  However it does go the heritage and background of
pipers, and I feel that it was an unappropriate post to start.

> Happy St Patricks Day(he didn't care what church you went to)
> Play those pipes loud people!

I totally agree with you, the only part that I do not like about St.
Patrick's Day is the parades!!!  John Mitchell and his comments about
royalty are absolutely correct, they were not all pomp and
circumstance.  On a side note, the woman who sparked this debate, Queen
Victoria, was actually 1/2 German, 1/4 French and 1/4 English; but
exactly the old matrarch that she is made out to be.

Honest the only reason I care about this entire post is simply the fact
that the person should not have made it and people like TLER4 should
not have replied in the manner they did.

Ryan

PS - Did I forget to mention how I hated those parades :>)


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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 21 Mar 2000 22:33:15 -0800


> > And by
> > the way... most of the Krons that are out here sound like they
> are
> > muted... the chanter overwelms the drones, even when playing a
> nose
> > bleed reed.
> Might sound that way when you've been accustomed to playing diesel
> horns.

Yeh, hahahaha... jokes on you... read on further to what I really play
and have done for the last Twenty Years. They don't sound like Diesel
horns...

> > The experience we have had with Kron pipes here is that they are
> for
> > solo playing indoors.
> Install some drone reeds and see if that helps.

We have... including your reeds... it DIDN'T HELP!!!

> >That might be great if you never compete, but in
> > the real world,
> In the real world, competitors don't typically play diesel horns.

So you think that I play deisel horns, when I play a great set of
Henderson's... and with your logic... all Henderson's are deisel
horns... so the likes of Bill Livingston is wrong to play
Henderson's... I'm sure Bill will love to here your opinion on this...
Care to injest the other foot now.

> >most of us have to play outdoors, and in groups at
> > times where you need to be heard and where the sound has to
> carry.
> If the judges are standing that far away from you, it means you're
> playing badly.

Okay, you got me in a poorly worded sentence... try, where the sound
has to carry and blend equally with those we play with... too bad the
Krons out here don't. However, my Henderson's, those with Naill's and
the Booth's do... amazingly enough...

> > Give
> > me a set of Booth's anyday, with their great Henderson sound...
> now
> > that's a pipe.
> I thought Hendersons were the only pipes which sound like
> Hendersons,

Obviously you haven't played Booth... too bad... if you had, then you
might be able to stand up and have a real say...

> First week in May good for you?

Yes... you can come out, try a set of Booth pipes, it may change your
perception... or not... I'd love to have you help us figure out why we
are not getting good tone in the Krons, their workmanship is awesome,
that's all I can say... and then we can have it out piping wise...
better yet, why not the next week when Andrew Wright and Iain Macey are
out here... they could judge... mind you, if it has to come down to us
competing like this... over dribble... or is that spilt beer... then we
all definitely take this NG too seriously... but if we need to compete
bring it on... 4x: Piobaireachd, MSR, Hornpipe/Jig, 3/4's, 6/8's,
4/4's... ready? I'm not... at least when it comes to all the
Hornpipe/Jig's... but in the others... yep... I'll even play on a set
of Booth's...

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From: [e-mail] (SirJ1314)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Dr. MacInnes (Hornpipe)
Date: 22 Mar 2000 06:53:07 GMT

<And if you've ever taken the time to actually learn and play a few of them
you'll realize that there's much more to the challenge of playing one of these
tunes than playing "a big jumble of notes played very round at breakneck
speed.">

Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression, I love this kind of hornpipe and I
have taken much time in learning a bunch of them including King of Cardenden,
Sandy's New Chanter, Scotsaire Hornpipe, College of Piping Summerside, Pumpins
Fancy, Acid Piper, Bulgarian Bandit, Mason's Apron, Clumsly Lover, Andrew and
Colin Lee, etc, etc, etc...  Mabey that thing I said about them being a bunch
of jumbled notes was not the best thing to say.  I was just trying to make a
small point, I wasn't putting down all the tunes.  It was just a very general
observation.  Like I said before, there are a lot of great ones, and there are
a lot of not so great ones.  I don't wan't to start anything.
Cheers

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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Schwing!
Date: 21 Mar 2000 22:28:59 -0900

Chris Hamilton wrote:

>
> >Yeah, well in addition to the big rings ... I am not totally
> >clueless...
> >
> >Chris
>
> And that was no cheap chanter either ... have you checked the price
> and availability of ivory  lately?

Sorry, Chris, that was meant as a joke...I'm sure you did right by your
blushing bride.

More to the point, congratulations and sincere good wishes to you both.

Regards,

Michael






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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 05:32:49 GMT

On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:01:54 -0800, ferraridrones
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Bill,
>
>Last I heard you were still a wee grade 4 punk without the benefit of
>years of playing experience... i.e: ears that can tell the difference.
>Stop throwing stones in the glass house... it's still winter. And by
>the way... most of the Krons that are out here sound like they are
>muted... the chanter overwelms the drones, even when playing a nose
>bleed reed.

Oh, you mean warm and sweet instead of roaring in your ear the way
your Booth pipes do. By the way, there is no such thing as a "sweet"
Henderson tone. Hendersons were noted for fill the room with a
bombastic, bass-heavy tone.

>And why is it that Alisdair Gillies sent the Pink Ivory
>pipes he played at the QM back?

What you really mean is, why are you a lying sack of shite?

>Could it be that it is the player that
>makes the pipe?  Or could it be that they were only good enough to make
>it through an indoor weekend but not up to snuff for outdoor events?

Or could it be that you're Don Smith a Booth dealer, and part-time
pathological liar?

>The experience we have had with Kron pipes here is that they are for
>solo playing indoors. That might be great if you never compete, but in
>the real world, most of us have to play outdoors, and in groups at
>times where you need to be heard and where the sound has to carry.

Especially in Utah were the valley floor is 5200 feet above sealevel
and there isn't enough air to make noise up on the benches.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 18 Mar 2000 19:16:57 GMT

>You just don't get it, do you Zu!
>

Get what?

; )

Zu

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From: Grahame Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DEALERS! PLEASE READ THIS!
Date: 17 Mar 2000 18:04:28 -0800

Zudupiper wrote:
>
> The two excellent points in this thread are:
>
> 1. Why are old books better?  Signal to noise ratio is a lot higher for some
> reason, and it's probably because of the printing costs back then.  Makes
> sense.
>
> 2. Donald MacLeod is one of the most musical pipers I've ever heard.  Yes, a
> lot of his tunes are published elsewhere, but not nearly all of them.  I was
> tickled when I finally found a used set of his books.
>
> Zu

Zu and Friends....

The Wee Hoose of supplies in Pennsylvania run by Angus, has loads of
Mcleod available in all volumes for a very reasonable price.  I don't
think he's on the web but you might check with one of the websites that
list businesses with sites.  I bought two sets of the complete McLeod
for around $90.00 per set plus a minimal shipping charge. Ken Eller put
me on  to the set and Mike Grey was helpful in pointing out some beaut.
tunes.

The first time I opened the first volume I ran across a fine 2/4 called
John McMillan of Barra.  There's loads of fine writing in most volumes
but the tunes are not easy.

Happy piping all.....Grahame in Tucson (7 Piper's Society)


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From: "r.a.evans" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Hummelshen
Date: 18 Mar 2000 10:46:25 +0000

In article <X2xA4.9750$[e-mail]>, Phil Edwards
<groeswenphil@?.?.net> writes
>Anybody help?
>
>Years & years ago, I had a set of plans sent to me for a Hummelshen Bagpipe.
>Sadly, they've been lost in the mists of time. Anybody know where I can get
>a set of those plans?
>Phil from Groeswen.
>
>


The plans I've seen for this instrument were produced by the Bagpipe
Society. Contact William Marshall email [e-mail]

Address 12 Woodsome Drive, Fenay Bridge, Huddersfield HD8 0JR

HTH

Richard
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 09:23:02 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
ferraridrones <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I'd love to have you help us figure out why we
> are not getting good tone in the Krons, their workmanship is awesome,
> that's all I can say... and then we can have it out piping wise...
> better yet, why not the next week when Andrew Wright and Iain Macey
are
> out here...

You can simply ask Iain how to get good tone - he's playing Krons
fitted with my reeds in the 78ths.

I'd be interested to learn how your fertile little mind fabricated the
lie about Alasdair returning his set of pink-ivory Krons.  He wasn't
amused.

Mark


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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New vs Old chanters for Piobaireachd
Date: 19 Mar 2000 19:01:37 GMT

In article <38d50b1e_3@127.0.0.1>,
"John Mitchell" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I consider my pitch really flat when
the
> tuning
> position has moved up 1/4" on the tuning pin, and that's with any
chanter.

Lets clear this one up for you John.  You consider your pitch "flat"
when the dog next door stops howling.  Actually, it's not "flat" it's
simply lower pitched.  There is nothing amatuer-ish about this question.
I'd like to hear other players/judges opinions on this issue.

So why don't you and I just step back on this one for a while and see
where it goes, eh?

Pat






> If your's is going up by 1 1/2", then you have some serious problems
in
> determining what is an acceptable pitch.
>
> If you were in Scotland, they wouldn't even allow anyone on the boards
> with that kind of pitch, it would be a complete waste of time for both
> the player and the judge.
>
> > Why would you want to know this? Is my question transparently
purile?
>
> I was trying to determine what level you were at. A good experienced
> player wouldn't have to ask the question, and an inexperienced player
> might be forgiven for not having developed an ear for tone yet.
> My next question is , What grade level do you compete at?
>
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From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 18 Mar 2000 06:05:06 GMT

Mike Le Boeuf wrote:
>
> Beginnertunes wrote:
> >
> > > im selling them for $150
> > >and I will pay the shipping.
> >
> > I bid 75$. (rmmb-bay style) I'll pay the shipping.
> >
>
> They send this pipe to the other customers, so it was a Big mistake when
> they sent it to me.  They send me the decent pipes.
> $75,$75, DO I HEAR $80??
> Mike

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From: "jobrie" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) HAPPY ST. PATRICK'S DAY!!!
Date: 17 Mar 2000 20:25:39 -0800

Just wanted to wish everyone a Happy St. Paddy's Day!

Slainte,
╔amon O'Brien



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From: "Frans Hattink/Cornemuses Jolipipe" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bagpipe Horror Story
Date: 18 Mar 2000 12:11:10 +0100

A nice horrorstory.As a pipemaker I saw a loth of horror,but there is
something to be said.I see people buy a bagpipe without any knowledge,no
problem you can teach those people and give the correct information.If they
are in a bagpipelow envirement and start to play on an impuls(I love that
celtic feeling) they experience after a while that it is not easy at all.So
they can say the pipe is losing so much air!.If they keep the pipe in a
central heated house ,the wood will shrink and become oval( at this point i
think the wood of the bagpipe was maybe not well conditioned)
So I see people leaving my workshop with very fine instruments and returning
with trash because they maltreated it.In a discussion with European
pipemakers we all experience that bagpipeplayers are the group of musicians
who take not much care of there instruments in comparing to violins and
woodwinds.So my point it ,be carefull in giving an opinion about a
pipemaker,without knowing the whole story!FransRon Bowen
<[e-mail]> schreef in berichtnieuws
6lbA4.44402$[e-mail]...
> From time to time we see a post asking which "brand" (cringe) of pipes is
> best, or we will see someone either recommending or slamming this or that
> make of pipe.  If you're like most pipers, you might not know what to look
> for in a bagpipe.  Certainly it would be rare to find an "ordinary" piper
> with the eye of a craftsman.
>
> I recently returned from a business/pleasure trip that saw me in PA, NJ,
and
> CT.  Because of work demands, I didn't get to see everyone I wanted to,
> however I did spend a day in Milford CT with a good friend, followed up by
a
> pub night in Manchester CT.  I took advantage of the opportunity to play,
> talk, and study bagpipes, all in the company of old and new friends.
>
> One fellow was brought to me with a set of pipes he had bought about a
year
> ago.  Of course, they were playing "stump Ringo".  I was to guess what
kind
> of pipes they were.  I took one look and immediately became more curious.
> This bagpipe was completely unplayable.  None of the larger bores (tuning
> chambers and stocks) were concentric!  It was impossible to get an
airtight
> fit in any of the stocks!  Ferules were either falling off or ill fitting
> (concentric ferules fitted over non-concentric wood).  Some had been
> hammered on and diminished the bore at that point.  Other parts had split
> and had been replaced.  In short, the pipe was crap!
>
> I was completely embarassed that a well-known maker would have sold such
an
> abomination!  The owner had purchased the set directly from the
manufactuer,
> who had obviously taken advantage of the buyer's limited knowledge.
>
> Here is my point.  If you're a first or second time buyer, purchase your
> bagpipe through a reputable dealer.  Get the dealer to go through the
> instrument piece by piece with you.  Look for consistencies throughout:
> 1) are similar pieces the same length and OD (tenor tops, bottoms, pins)
> 2) are bores identical (tenor tuning chambers, bushings)
> 3) are bores consistent (no restriction at ferule)
> 4) are ferules fitted evenly and snugly
> 5) are OD's concentric (rotate it in your hand)
> 6) are ferules flush with wood
> 7) are pieces straight (no warps)
>
> The owner purchased the bagpipe direct from the manufacturer over a year
> ago, so replacement or adjustment is improbable.  He had tried to play the
> pipe a few times, however couldn't keep the wind in them (small wonder).
> The only suitable place for the bagpipe was over a fireplace, or in the
> fireplace!
>
> Now, everybody is going to be bugging me about the maker.  Forget it!  The
> pipes were made a year ago and for all I know the maker has already
cleaned
> up his/her act.  Maybe it was just one bad set.  Who knows.  What I do
hope
> is that buyers will heed the advice given herein and that those offending
> makers will get the word through reduced sales.
>
> Good Piping
> Ringo
>
>



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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: valve staple
Date: 20 Mar 2000 12:56:12 -0400


ccc31807 wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>>
>And in response to the other comments, yes, I could order one,
>but (1) they are $5.00 or higher from mail order houses, (2)
>there is a transaction fee whether you pay by credit card,
>check, or money order, (3) you have to wait a week or so before
>it arrives, (4) the mail order houses charge postage and
>handling, which in many cases is as much as the valve itself,
>and (5) where is the satisfaction in being self-reliant and
>making something as simple and easy as a valve staple?


This is getting too heavy....lets change the subject.............

I just started playing the PC......I am a poor College Student, working my
way thru school but I have an allergy to anything pakistani and I want to
get a really good set of pipes 'cause I don't ever want to have to buy a
second set..............I have no money........what kind of pipes can I buy
that will take me up through Open and allow my to compete successfully
against the Gavin Stoddart's, Mike Cusack's  Bob Worrall's and Alisdair
Gillis's of this world (I tried to cover most countries), but will not cost
me more than $300 complete, reeded and ready to play (my mummy sais they
must have a red velvet bag cover)

Thanking you in advance for your help.................David



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From: "Sean" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) New Bagpipe Product Web Site
Date: 21 Mar 2000 20:06:38 -0500

Found a new website for those of you looking for pipes and piping supplies.
The url is http://www.thomsonbagpipes.com/ .  I have purchased a couple of
things.  Good products and quick service.

Good piping.

Sean




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From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) T-Shirt Masterpiece
Date: 21 Mar 2000 23:33:11 GMT

I was going to hold off on this for a while longer, however St. Patty's Day
seems to have unleashed the hounds.  Maybe it's just spring.  Taking a page
from Zu, I have created a T-Shirt Masterpiece.  Full frontal image of Donald
Muir, 42nd Royal Highland Regiment of Foot, Crimean War, portrat
commissioned by Queen Victoria 1856.  Those familiar with my web site know
the picture.  On the top of the picture in Red English Old Engravers font it
says "Life is Good" and at the bottom of the picture is says "Bagpipes are
better!"

Manufactured by Calhoun Sports Wear 100% cotton ICE (kind of a light gray)
color.  Comes in three sizes large, X-large, and XX-large.  Price is $17 US
(includes shipping in North America) with discounts for bulk orders.
Limited supply.  Don't miss out!  Visit Ringo's Bagpipe Pages at
www3.sympatico.ca/ron_bowen and email your order today.  Don't post your
orders on the NG!  I take delivery of the shirts on March 31 and all orders
will be fulfilled the following week.

Now that's better than beating up on each other!

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From: [e-mail] (Jginmd)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Steadiness and Reed Efficiency
Date: 22 Mar 2000 05:34:03 GMT

>> And blowing tone is not just a little more difficult. It's an art that
>comes
>> from knowing every part of your instrument and the condition of your
>reeds
>> intimately.

Scotish mystics unite.

>One of the interesting, and depressing, aspects of achieving tone and
>efficiency a majority of the time is the off-day when little seems to be
>going right.  Yesterday, the weather changed dramatically in Vermont, from
>30s the day before to 60s, with humidity, the next day. The result was
>chaos, even
>with the Wygents  After 30 min. of attempting to blow
>tone, I quit in disgust and decided to try again after
>the weather had stabilized in a day or two.
>

I have a vacuum cleaner that , when reversed, blows awesome tone. If you play
Wygents (and this is only a guess having not heard your pipes) you may not know
what tone is.
JGS


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From: LongPiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Bagpipe Related Tattoos...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 14:19:45 -0800

I'm thinking of getting a tattoo of somethig bagpipe related.
Does anyone have any WORTHWHILE suggestions?  If you have
something in gif or jpg format and would send it to me that would
be great.  Or if you can tell me where to find the pic that would
be fine also.  If anyone else has piping tats let me know...My
fiance recommended I have chanter holes tattooed on my 'Big
Chanter'.  Any suggestions?

LongPiper

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From: [e-mail] (Meggwalk)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: REWARD: Stolen Pipes
Date: 21 Mar 2000 03:25:39 GMT

And whatever he is offering for a reward I'll double it!
  Just kidding, good luck finding your pipes.

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From: ccc31807 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DEALERS! PLEASE READ THIS!
Date: 18 Mar 2000 07:36:49 -0800

In article <[e-mail]>, Paul Gretton
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>music. None of the 19th-century piobaireachd collections is
currently in print, despite
>the fact that many of the settings (e.g. those of Donald
MacDonald) are superior to the
>ones currently played.

Now, why would this be the case? Why would an "inferior" setting
replace a better one? As example of the operation of Gresham's
Law in music? Style and fashion? The newer ones are easier?
Seems to me that over a long period of time, say a century or
so, the better settings would assert themselves.

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From: George's Music <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Tune?
Date: 21 Mar 2000 17:39:07 +0000

On Pipes and Drums of The Royal Scots Dragoon Guards(RCA LSP-4744)"
Recording 7 B.
The first song on this track is "Leaving Rhu Vaternish"
Then "Nameless"
Followed by "The Duck".

Anyone know which tune the Nameless one is?

thanks, George

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bagpipe Related Tattoos...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 23:24:35 GMT

Edinburgh Military Tattoo for one

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 12:06:59 GMT

>You can simply ask Iain how to get good tone - he's playing Krons
>fitted with my reeds in the 78ths.
>
>I'd be interested to learn how your fertile little mind fabricated the
>lie about Alasdair returning his set of pink-ivory Krons.  He wasn't
>amused.
>
>Mark

If you read his post carefully, it's full of lies. He's just another anonymous
bum tearing down anything but Hendersons.
I bet those Hendersons are really Booths, and they're too dumb to tell the
difference.
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: "Geoff Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Tune Search - The Black Cockatoo
Date: 22 Mar 2000 22:49:52 +1100

I am looking for the tune The Black Cockatoo, presumably an Australian
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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: getting rich off the internet
Date: 22 Mar 2000 12:11:16 GMT

>It might be worth the stamps and dollars to ask Mr. Davis and his other
>addressees to add
>
>Janet Reno
>U.S. Department of Justice
>950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
>Washington D.C. 20530-0001

Should I send her a bag-o-turd too (looks as though one such bag already
exploded in her face)  or just a letter complaining about the pyramid scheme?
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 12:31:05 GMT

>I do agree with that statement however this was from an honors history course
>that I took at Wesleyan University last year,

One or two courses hardly qualifies you as a history buff.

>Well if the phrase fits...

Aye but what makes it fit? Fact is you know nothing about my playing or his.
You just use that expression on anyone who pisses you off or disagrees with
you. Hey Mitch, disagree with him and see what happens LOL!

>I never claimed to be a History major

You said in your post in this thread (I think it was this thread) that you were
a "history major".
I'm not trying to rekindle our war Ryan, just pointing out some inconsistencies
in your posts.
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (ALIXGUNN)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 12:53:24 GMT

> We were all drunked up and I just wanted to
stir up the bar a little bit. <

    Next time try something equally as "fun"...like shouting "FIRE" - - or
"He's got a GUN!!"




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From: "Matt Buckley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 07:55:37 -0500



Ryan Jones <[e-mail]> wrote in article

> Besides 'celtic' has become so an overused catch > phrase to describe
anything British that anyone can > trace back to that lineage.

Ryan -  You are correct about over-use of the term
    "celtic".  However, many feel similarly regarding
    the word "British", especially given the political
    climate in Ireland and Scotland these days.

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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Schwing!
Date: 22 Mar 2000 07:38:29 -0500

On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:28:59 -0900, Michael New & Diane Rossmiller
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Chris Hamilton wrote:
>
>>
>> >Yeah, well in addition to the big rings ... I am not totally
>> >clueless...
>> >
>> >Chris
>>
>> And that was no cheap chanter either ... have you checked the price
>> and availability of ivory  lately?
>
>Sorry, Chris, that was meant as a joke...I'm sure you did right by your
>blushing bride.
>
>More to the point, congratulations and sincere good wishes to you both.

Thanks, I knew you were joking. Hell I'd hammer any piece of jewelry
into a projecting mount anytime.

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Hamilton
[e-mail]
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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 08:09:40 -0500



Beginnertunes <[e-mail]> wrote

> One or two courses hardly qualifies you as a history buff.

Steven Cushman recently wrote a wonderful book,
Bloody Promenade, reflecting on the battle of The Wilderness.  He takes
exception, correctly I believe,
to use of the word "buff" when describing the serious
study of history.  We do not refer to "Shakespeare
buffs", "GHB buffs", "English literature buffs", but
somehow scholars of the Civil War and other history
become "buffs".

Can't stand the word myself.

Cheers.  Matt


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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New vs Old chanters for Piobaireachd
Date: 20 Mar 2000 02:02:35 GMT

>If you were in Scotland, they wouldn't even allow anyone on the boards
>with that kind of pitch, it would be a complete waste of time for both
>the player and the judge.

Probably true, but only because it's such an unexpected pitch.  It's going to
sound eccentric, even if it sounds good.

A few years I listened to somebody play a piob in competition on a special set
of A-440 pipes.  It was just bizarre sounding, and the piper didn't end up in
the prize list.

Zu

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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 22 Mar 2000 08:55:15 -0400


Rick wrote in message ...
>A 'piobaireachd high-A' works just as well, n'est-ce-pas?
>Rick


Probably does....specially if you are trying to get your pipes emotionally
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From: Chris Thomas <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shaving Gilmour Reeds
Date: 22 Mar 2000 08:16:41 -0500

Hi Zu, I've just tried your way. Seems to work. I tried shaving the edges starting
just above the shoulder to just below the shoulder and tried staying away from the
center (soundbox?) and the lips, then scraped it smooth.

Sound about right?.

TIA Chris.

Zudupiper wrote:

>
> I shave mine the same way I shave all the other "molded" reeds, which isn't the
> way Gilmour recommends, but which seems to work for me.  I shave at the
> corners, which are non-supporting areas.
>
> I think Gilmour's directions are based on the hardness of the cane, but that's
> a much more radical technique than I want to try.
>
> Zu


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From: Chris Thomas <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shaving Gilmour Reeds
Date: 22 Mar 2000 08:18:29 -0500

That's exactly what was happening to me. The chanter just wouldn't go in tune.
Regards, Chris.


Mister White wrote:

> I just tried shaving a reed that was blowing the back of my head off, and I
> lost my F!  It's just plain gone.  I have an E, then a slightly sharper E
> (maybe a quarter-tone).
>
> ... I really need to figure out what the hell I'm doing -- but this NG has
> helped a lot.  Thanks, guys (and ladies)!
>
> Stuart Goodburne
>
> --
>
> "Never look at the trombones; it only encourages them."
> ---- Richard Strauss, on conducting
>


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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Schwing!
Date: 22 Mar 2000 05:36:05 -0800

In article <[e-mail]>, Chris
Hamilton <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Thanks, I knew you were joking. Hell I'd hammer any piece of
jewelry
>into a projecting mount anytime.
>
>Chris

Chris, most of us, particularly newlyweds, don't have to depend
on a piece of jewelry and a hammer to make our projecting mounts.

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From: "Mark Scheen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Uilleann pipe questions
Date: 22 Mar 2000 13:52:10 GMT

OK, Eric,

     Since no one has replied to your post yet, I'll take a stab at it,
though I'm a UP newbie myself.  I'll reply to the board for two reasons:

1.  There may be lurkers who have the same questions.

2.  If I'm wrong, perhaps someone can correct me.

"Eric Eccleston" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Hello all.  I've never posted to this group before, but I have some
> questions and this looked like the most likely newsgroup.  I'm looking
> for some recommendations and advice regarding buying a practise set of
> Uilleann pipes.  I'm in the US, by the way.  There seems to be a lot of
> makers on the web from all over the globe, and the price range is very
> wide for practise sets, ranging from about US$500 to 1200 (taking into
> account some rough exchange rate conversions for Aus, Ir, UK, Can).
> Does anyone have any tips on different makers, questions I should ask,
> etc. to help me to make up my mind on who to have make them, and how
> much is reasonable for me to spend?

First of all, if you are ordering a set in the US, you probably want to find
a good maker in the US.  There are quite a few makers out there, but the two
I have heard good things about are Micael Vignoles, lately of Dublin,
Ireland -- now living in Atlanta, GA, I believe -- and Seth Gallagher.  Of
the two, Seth Gallagher's pipes are a bit more pricey, but you should be
able to get your instrument in about a year.  I would not spend much less
than about $800 for a new practice set.  Remember, you get what you pay for,
and the practice set is the foundation of the full instrument, so if you
skimp here, you'll end up with a poor sounding full set later (if you go
that far).  Many pipers play practice sets when recording with professional
musicians since there is more musical flexibility when the drones aren't
used.  Of course you may always be able to get a good deal on a used set.
Try to stick with dense wood for that nice mellow UP tone -- African
blackwood or ebony, with ebony giving the mellower tone of the two (for a
bigger price).  Other good makers around the world are Arie De Keyzer with
workshops in Dublin, Ireland and Belgium; Davy Spillane in Ireland; and
Brian Howard -- though his instruments require years of waiting and are
quite pricey (see customers rule #1: you get what you pay for).

>  What about used sets?  I would
> imagine that some of them can be quite good or even better.  Also, I
> live in a relatively high altitude/low humidity area (Denver); is that a
> consideration?

Reeds will drive you crazy because a reed may play well in NY State only to
not work at all in Denver.  A reed that plays well in April may quit in
June, but will probably work again next April.  In your angst and despair
you may be driven to making your own reeds -- nearly all the best pipers do
this.

>Thanks for any help.

You're welcome.

Regards,

Mark



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From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: reccomendations on Blackwood P/Cs
Date: 22 Mar 2000 08:41:36 -0500

JSLOANPR <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> >f it weren't for the fact that I have spent close to $1500 in the last
> >month on piping, I'd buy one for myself!!!! It's just a little tough
> >justifying all of this spending lately!!!!!! LOL!!!!!! SOMEBODY STOP
>
> I asked your husband Al about the above at the Jacksonville Games. He
didn't
> answer but had  the most resighned look I have ever seen on anyone's face
in my
> life.

ROTFLOL!!!!!!! Yes, I have always said that this is the only man that I
could have married . . . he puts up with SOOO much from me!! And it doesn't
end here . . . .I'm off for the next 4 days to satisfy my OTHER addiction .
. . . Fiber Arts! This poor guy (literally!) left me two checks this morning
. . . one to pay for the $600 loom I just purchased :) :) :) :) The $1500
mentioned was JUST the Piping Addiction!!!!!!!! He also volunteered to run
the smallpipes up to me at the Conference Center should they arrive after
I'm gone! What a guy, eh?!?!? That's a 2 hour drive from here! Let's hope
they arrive today so he doesn't have to make that trek! There are no phones,
TV's or radios at this place so it would be a REAL surprise to see him
standing there . .. smallpipes in hand! Sandy, if you are reading this and
they arrive, please call Al and he'll be over to pick them up :) :) :) :) :)
Testing, testing, testing . . . . where does this man's patience with me
end?!?!?!? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
--
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Maeve . . . in sunny Florida
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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Musunderstood Tune Names
Date: 21 Mar 2000 02:36:29 GMT

>Round John Virgin?

Don't you mean the old classic "Ronald John Virgin?"
Scotia Aye!
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From: PiperJohn <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) The Cairn on the Hill
Date: 22 Mar 2000 09:04:58 -0500

Does anyone know where the music for The Cairn on the Hill is
published?  Thanks.

PiperJohn


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: First parade notes, or a funny thing happened to me at the
Date: 22 Mar 2000 14:02:25 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Beginnertunes) writes:

> Well even weather permitting I could't go "regimental" because I needed pockets
> for my car keys, and black N' tan money, so I really had no choice.
> Question: What do you more experienced pipers use for your keys and money
> during the summer months? I don't plan on wearing skivies in the summer...
> I guess if she attends the games she can get another run at me LOL.

I thought that was what sporrans were for. My keys go on a clip on my
belt. My wallet, hankie, pocket knife, and extra chanter reed go in the
sporran and my watch (if I remember it) goes in my shirt or jacket
pocket. Cheers, WES

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From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) True Confessions time
Date: 22 Mar 2000 09:37:59 -0500

Okay . .. . I've been thinking about this Big Spree (spending) that I have
been on over the last month . . . . and thought it was about time to come
clean!!! Pack the bags . .. . I'm going on a guilt trip! Curiosity has
gotten the better of me as well. 'Fess up all!!!! How many sets of pipes,
chanters, etc. do we all have laying around and why??? Personally, I have 2
sets of GHB, another on its way, a smallpipe to be here any moment, 5
chanters and 2 practice chanters. Why?!?!? I don't know! I know Lura must
hold the record for the most practice chanters. Seeing John's stash of
chanters, I know that I don't hold a candle in that area!!! Being a dealer
and having a stash doesn't count here! Whew . . . . sounds like drugs!?!?!?
I'm curious as to the PERSONAL stashes! While I'm at it, I'll clear my
conscience with another confession and say that I have 5 spinning wheels as
well. At no point in time can I use more than one of either spinning wheels
or pipes!!! There are also 7 sets of drone reeds hidden away. Geez!!!!! I
think I'm feeling better after this confession!! Where's the
checkbook?!?!?!? Anyone else want to lighten the conscience load here?! It
might make me feel even better!

--
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Maeve . . . in sunny Florida!
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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: CD recommendations for learner?
Date: 22 Mar 2000 09:38:28 -0500

Mike, why don't you drop in to Celtic Fire - They have tons of good piping CD's
and tapes- and usually one's playing on the CD player when you go in. It's like
a 15 minute drive from Cohasset.

Michael McWilliams wrote:

> Well, now that I've been yowling away on the PC for a few months...had a few
> lessons...and am getting totally bolluxed up on the distinctions between
> grips, taorluaths and the like...
>
> ....I've gone fully around the bend and started to actually play bagpipe
> music on the home stereo. As my wife cringes, and my sons flee in
> embarrassment I'm now looking for good CDs that might actually help me
> learn.
>
> Any suggestions for performances that really show how it's all supposed to
> be done?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Slαinte!
>
> Michael McWilliams
> Cohasset, MA


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From: [e-mail] (Annie97)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time
Date: 22 Mar 2000 15:17:13 GMT

>I'm curious as to the PERSONAL stashes!

Well, I only have one practice chanter.  And I only have one set of pipes.
BUT, I have 26 African violets -  not counting the baby plants that I have
propagated (of which there are currently 11 plantlets) nor the leaves that have
been put down to root (of which there are 22 - which could conceivably yield
over 100 plants).   Does that count? ;-D

Annie  :-)

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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: plastic versus cane
Date: 22 Mar 2000 15:17:35 GMT

In article <aPTB4.17564$[e-mail]>,
"Mark Scheen" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> In a world of instant gratification, they
don't
> fit in.

I would add that synthetics allow players with little or no experience
with cane reeds the time to practice and learn on the pipes. There is a
frustration factor here, too.

I went back to cane about 8 months.  Once I found a set of good working
cane drone reeds from the 20 or 30 I bought, they still needed to be
worked on moreso than a synthetic would.  And, then when a day or two
layoff happened I really struggled to get them back into playing order.
I was fooling around with the cane so much I couldn't get a decent
amount of practice time in.  It just boiled down to how much time I
wanted to work with the cane reeds versus how much learning time I had
left to play in one session.

Pat


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 15:18:52 GMT

>We do not refer to "Shakespeare
>buffs", "GHB buffs", "English literature buffs", but
>somehow scholars of the Civil War and other history
>become "buffs".
>

I use the word BUFFS in all those contexts, and the word BUFFS is commonly used
to describe any kind of person whose "up" on a subject. It's all depends on the
language usage BUFFS in your area, and how those BUFFS use or define the word
"buffs". I hear that up north near "ya all" that the BUFFS in your area like to
use phrases like "gall dangit" (I have cousins up there) so I doubt the BUFFS
in your area are up on the latest BUFF news.

>Can't stand the word myself.

Oh sorry Matt...  <eg>
BUFF
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-Shirt Masterpiece
Date: 22 Mar 2000 15:25:21 GMT

In article <XETB4.906$[e-mail]>,
"Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>...I have created a T-Shirt Masterpiece. Full frontal image of
Donald
> Muir, 42nd Royal Highland Regiment of Foot, Crimean War, portrat
> commissioned by Queen Victoria 1856.

After that "piping and drugs" thread you started, I wondered where you
went and what you were up to.  :>

Pat


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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time
Date: 22 Mar 2000 15:27:27 GMT

>>I'm curious as to the PERSONAL stashes!

Smoked mine years ago... haven't re-copped yet. (do they still use the term
"copped" these days? LOL)
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bagpipe Related Tattoos...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 15:32:01 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Beginnertunes) wrote:

> From what she tells me, you'll only fit the LG, A, and B holes on that
tiny
> target,

Bill.  Even that would be waste of ink.  You know you can only get one
note out of a skin flute.

Pat


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From: "Michael McWilliams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: CD recommendations for learner?
Date: 22 Mar 2000 15:58:19 GMT

Well, seems it's high-time I high-tailed it down to Plymouth to see what
Dave Keenan has in stock. I've been meaning to get down there...but I just
haven't found myself in the vicinity. Now I'll just have to make a point of
it.

Thanks everyone.

Slαinte!

Michael McWilliams
Cohasset, MA

Michael McWilliams <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:UONB4.18140$[e-mail]...
> Well, now that I've been yowling away on the PC for a few months...had a
few
> lessons...and am getting totally bolluxed up on the distinctions between
> grips, taorluaths and the like...
>
> ....I've gone fully around the bend and started to actually play bagpipe
> music on the home stereo. As my wife cringes, and my sons flee in
> embarrassment I'm now looking for good CDs that might actually help me
> learn.
>
> Any suggestions for performances that really show how it's all supposed to
> be done?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Slαinte!
>
> Michael McWilliams
> Cohasset, MA
>
>
>



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From: Brian Counihan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 16:09:48 GMT

In article <8b9oiq$ukk$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] wrote:

> Well actually the majority of Protestants in N. Ireland during that
> time were Scots-Irish or rather from Scotland. Anyways to make a long
> story short these two groups did not really get along that well and
> there was quite a conflict between them.
>
> Ryan
>

 Ah, but didn't the Scots originally come from Ireland?

 To quote Mr. King

 "Can't we all just get along?"

--
Brian C.
http://www.stcolumcille.com/
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From: George MacDonald <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Uilleann pipe questions
Date: 22 Mar 2000 16:15:22 GMT

For information's sake - there is a set of new starter Uilleann pipes for sale
on EBAY (iteam 248741904).  They are listed at $350 reserve not yet met.  I have
no idea of how good they are.

George MacDonald

Mark Scheen wrote:

> OK, Eric,
>
>      Since no one has replied to your post yet, I'll take a stab at it,
> though I'm a UP newbie myself.  I'll reply to the board for two reasons:
>
> 1.  There may be lurkers who have the same questions.
>
> 2.  If I'm wrong, perhaps someone can correct me.
>
> "Eric Eccleston" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> news:[e-mail]...
> > Hello all.  I've never posted to this group before, but I have some
> > questions and this looked like the most likely newsgroup.  I'm looking
> > for some recommendations and advice regarding buying a practise set of
> > Uilleann pipes.  I'm in the US, by the way.  There seems to be a lot of
> > makers on the web from all over the globe, and the price range is very
> > wide for practise sets, ranging from about US$500 to 1200 (taking into
> > account some rough exchange rate conversions for Aus, Ir, UK, Can).
> > Does anyone have any tips on different makers, questions I should ask,
> > etc. to help me to make up my mind on who to have make them, and how
> > much is reasonable for me to spend?
>
> First of all, if you are ordering a set in the US, you probably want to find
> a good maker in the US.  There are quite a few makers out there, but the two
> I have heard good things about are Micael Vignoles, lately of Dublin,
> Ireland -- now living in Atlanta, GA, I believe -- and Seth Gallagher.  Of
> the two, Seth Gallagher's pipes are a bit more pricey, but you should be
> able to get your instrument in about a year.  I would not spend much less
> than about $800 for a new practice set.  Remember, you get what you pay for,
> and the practice set is the foundation of the full instrument, so if you
> skimp here, you'll end up with a poor sounding full set later (if you go
> that far).  Many pipers play practice sets when recording with professional
> musicians since there is more musical flexibility when the drones aren't
> used.  Of course you may always be able to get a good deal on a used set.
> Try to stick with dense wood for that nice mellow UP tone -- African
> blackwood or ebony, with ebony giving the mellower tone of the two (for a
> bigger price).  Other good makers around the world are Arie De Keyzer with
> workshops in Dublin, Ireland and Belgium; Davy Spillane in Ireland; and
> Brian Howard -- though his instruments require years of waiting and are
> quite pricey (see customers rule #1: you get what you pay for).
>
> >  What about used sets?  I would
> > imagine that some of them can be quite good or even better.  Also, I
> > live in a relatively high altitude/low humidity area (Denver); is that a
> > consideration?
>
> Reeds will drive you crazy because a reed may play well in NY State only to
> not work at all in Denver.  A reed that plays well in April may quit in
> June, but will probably work again next April.  In your angst and despair
> you may be driven to making your own reeds -- nearly all the best pipers do
> this.
>
> >Thanks for any help.
>
> You're welcome.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 17 Mar 2000 12:01:15 GMT

> im selling them for $150
>and I will pay the shipping.

I bid 75$. (rmmb-bay style) I'll pay the shipping.

>they made a huge mistake
>on the order.
>Instead of sending me my Booth Scottish copy, they sent me a cheap crap
>pipe.
>Mike

Mike, mistake? or is it just the best they could do?

Scotia Aye!
Bill
What do playing the bagpipes, and throwing a Javelin while blindfolded have in
common?
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From: "Ken Maltman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Australian Juvenile
Date: 18 Mar 2000 00:11:36 +1100

Hi Chris

City of Blacktown
Hailbury College
Scotch College

Cheers
Ken Maltman
City of Bankstown R&SL Pipes & Drums
Sydney

http://www.pnc.com.au/~maltman/Bankstown.htm

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> Which bands are competing in Juvenile at the Australian Champ's in
> Adelaide this year?
>
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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 17 Mar 2000 09:27:30 -0400


John Mitchell wrote in message <38d1c281$1_1@127.0.0.1>...

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From: ccc31807 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: chanters vs other woodwind
Date: 17 Mar 2000 07:17:10 -0800

This is one of the differences between the pipe chanter and
other woodwinds. As pipers, we can't adjust intonation depending
on the tune and mix of instruments. And you are certainly
correct in your observation about shifting pitch. After all, a B
and a Cb are two different notes, although we may consider them
the same note, and a B itself would have a different pitch
depending on whether it is the leading tone to a C (in the key
of C) or whether it is the fundamental of the B harmonic (in the
key of B).

Your observation also needs to be clarified to some extent to
certain pasages. You can't play a chromatic or atonal passage
otherwise than in equal temperment, or it wouldn't sound right.
So even if you are playing with strings or woodwinds not bound
to exact pitches, you still would not be a liberty to play each
note "true" in this type of music. Not to mention 12 tone or
serial compositions.

Also by way of clarification, true intonation is based on whole
number ratios between different pitches, while equal temperment
is based on the 12th root of 2. You can easily calculate the CPS
of several notes based on A440 and see that there is a small but
significant difference. True intonation was used until about the
beginning of the 18th century, when the development of keyboard
instruments rendered it not feasible. Bach, you will recall,
wrote his "Well Tempered Clavier" for the purpose of showing
that the instrument could play equally well (and equally poorly)
in every key.

Also, I'm not buying the idea that pipe chanters are now tuned
in equal temperment, unless I have a pipe maker tell me so. If
they were, they could not be tuned with the drones! Jerry
Gibson, Charlie Kron, David Atherton, how exactly are pipe
chanters tuned?

In article <onaA4.4380$[e-mail]>, "KH"
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>I've been considering this subject.  However, even though wind
>instrumentalists use a tuner set to equal temperament as a
starting point
>for playing in tune, we don't actually play an equal tempered
scale when
>playing with other wind instruments.  When we play with
keyboard instruments
>we adjust to the keyboard's temperament but we certainly don't
have to do
>that in band or orchestra or in a chamber group.  I certainly
play the third
>or the fifth of a chord so that it "rings" and sounds right.
On a piano,
>these intervals are slightly "out" (the third's a bit to wide)
to fit the
>equal temperament.  I believe that the tuning system we use
is "just
>intonation".  For centuries until Bach, keyboard instruments
used something
>closer to this than equal temperament.  The only problem was
that it only
>sounded good in just a few related key signatures.  Equal
temperament was
>the best compromise so that all 12 key centers were tolerable.
I'm
>constructing a low D whistle and I realized that utilizing a
tuner set to
>equal temperment to adjust the holes would not give me
desirable results.
>Fortunately the tuner I was using was capable of being adjusted
to several
>alternative tunings.
>
>
>Ken Hurst


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From: "James Stewart" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: chanters vs other woodwind
Date: 17 Mar 2000 09:37:01 -0800


ccc31807 <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Also by way of clarification, true intonation is based on whole
> number ratios between different pitches, while equal temperment
> is based on the 12th root of 2. You can easily calculate the CPS
> of several notes based on A440 and see that there is a small but
> significant difference. True intonation was used until about the
> beginning of the 18th century, when the development of keyboard
> instruments rendered it not feasible

The ratio you quote is now considered correct.  Previously a surprising
number of systems were in use.   The development of the keyboard brought the
problem to a head, but the problem was inherent in orchestration involving
diverse instruments and a variety of keys.  I think the situation wit the
chanter is that they are increasingly being made to conform to the equal
temperment scale but with the standardization of standard pitch around A 440
the situation was somewhat complicated.  Apparently chanters drifted down in
pitch overs soem years causing the current A to be Bb.  The problem of
standard pitch was particularly  confused in the late eighteenth century,
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From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Uilleann pipe questions
Date: 22 Mar 2000 16:54:50 GMT

George MacDonald wrote:
>
> For information's sake - there is a set of new starter Uilleann pipes for sale
> on EBAY (iteam 248741904).  They are listed at $350 reserve not yet met.  I have
> no idea of how good they are.
>
> George MacDonald
~~~~

I would suggest that your first set not be a pakistani made set.  I have
tried them from Lark, and they rarely work, and they arent in tune, and
the sets that I have tried are Not in 'D'.
I think they cost around $150 or so from pakistan, a full set is about
$450.  But they need tons of work.
A Uilleann Pipe maker in California that has worked on a few sets told
me they were only good for parts.
Mike

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From: kingfisher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time
Date: 22 Mar 2000 12:26:05 -0500

i have two set of GHB.. one hardie, and one naill.. 4 chanters.. two
naill, shaperd and old hardie.. and about 4 to 5 PC.. but i only use one
of the PC.. haven't played by set of hardie in long time, i should pack
it up so it won't crack.. and i also have '64 vespa ss 180.. when it
runs, i hope it will sound like set of henderson x)

pete


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From: Jim McGill <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time
Date: 22 Mar 2000 09:33:54 -0800

Maeve:

Lets see if I can do this from memory:

Bagpipes:

2 - Thracian Bulgarian Gajdas with 6-8 extra chanters
1 - Rhodope Bulgarian Gajda
2 - Macedonian Gajdas
1 - Hungarian Duda
1 - Moroccan Bagpipe
1 - Spanish Gaita
1 - Croatian Diple
1 - French Cornemuse
1 - Swedish Sacpipa
1 - Russian Voylinka
1 - Weird Plastic bagpipe, made from an old wine bag and pvc tubing
(actually plays quite sweetly, until the condensation chokes the reed)

oh yes and
1 - Highland set with a practice chanter

Recorders, various penny and other whistles, Zurnas, flutes
innumerable reeds and other useful bits
and several pounds of bees wax :-)

I didn't set out to become a collector, but once you get involved in
unusual bagpipes, they seem to find you.

Jim

PS If you run onto any weird pipes, I'm probably interested. I'm
particularly trying to find a Romanian Cimpoi at the moment.


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From: ccc31807 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 22 Mar 2000 09:35:47 -0800

This is real silly, this pissing contest between aficianados of
these brands of pipes.

It's true, to a large extent that the piper makes the pipe. If
all pipers were identical then we might be able to detect some
differences between makes of pipes. But they are not, and we
can't.

Time for a little thought experiment. Take two thousand pipers,
not great ones but not lousy ones either, outfit one thousand
with Booths and the other with Krons (and to go back to an
earlier silly thread, outfit a third with Gibsons), turn them
loose for a couple of years, and then have a listen. Mix the
thousands thgether, have them play individually before a
thousand judges, blind so the looks wouldn't give it away, and
have the thousand judges guess the particular make of pipe.

My guess as to the result? Half or less of the judges would be
able to identify the make of pipe the individual is playing.
Reason? The individual differences in setup, maintenance, and
and playing would far outweigh any differences in the sound of
the pipe. Basis for my opinion? An upper grade piper I know
plays a Paki pipe, and a lower grade (not competitive yet) plays
a set of Naills, and the Naills sound like crap while you would
swear the Pakis were made of gold.

On this one, I would have to side with Mark Lee. Krons
potentially can sound very good or very bad depending on who is
playing them, and it's just plain silly to say that *all* pipes
of a particular maker are terrible.

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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 12:45:59 -0500

sdon wrote:
>
> There is nothing wrong with the early sets, but they had a problem with the
> ferrules coming loose which now has been resolved. . They are great pipes, sound
> wise, you can't tell the difference between Booth and a SWEET set of old
> Hendersons.

Well Don,maybe you can't tell the "difference" ,but heres a few things
I've noticed.
Henderson et al actually used African Blackwood.
Every Booth that has come thru this shop for repair has been made
of Striped Ebony...which costs about 1/10th the cost of African
Blackwood.
(this is not to be confused with Gaboon Ebony,which is really
quite expensive,and is really nice wood)
(wanna see the pictures Mr. Smith?)
Henderson actually thread on the mounts,Booth does not.
Henderson actually threaded on the bushings,Booth does not.
Henderson threaded on hemp-stops...Booth doesn't even put on hemp stops.
Henderson actually threaded on the mountings,Booth does not.
Henderson actually threaded on their ivory or imitation ferrules,Booth
does not.

I really think that if Peter Henderson was alive,he'd kick your arse
for trying to associate his level of quality with that of the stuff
you're pimping.
Hendersons are vastly superior in every physical aspect.
Stop Lying,you know better....and say Hello to Ferraridrones-Ian
the next time you shave.



>
> > >
> > > Here we go again! Get a new set and give them a look and a listen would you!
> > > We could go on for hours on some of your earlier sets. They are great pipes,
> > sound wise, you can't tell the difference between Booth and a SWEET set of old
> > Hendersons.

Sure...just not a Henderson Bagpipe....

Gee Don,I guess its easy for a man to be flexible when he has no
backbone.

Ever seen my "early" sets Don?
No you havn't..stop lying.
Why are all you Booth guys such blatant liars?

Do me a favor Mr. Smith,..
Don't email me anymore.
Don't send me repairs anymore.
Don't ask me to send you Blackwood shavings anymore.

After all,My stuff sucks right?
You said so.

Booth dealers..they'll say ANYTHING to make a buck.

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From: ferraridrones <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 09:52:07 -0800

I notice you didn't reply the real issue... you have never played
Booth's, right?.. so you have no say in the matter... and for those
that have... hope it wasn't with Sheppard reeds... they make any pipe
sound bad. Hey, beginnertunes... grow up a bit... when you have played
twenty years... you will still be behind the rest of us.  And Royce...
see you out here... look forward to seeing you, I like the dryness of
that wit. And Mark I will ask Iain... looks like you guys a chickening
out... too bad, was looking forward to a bit more fun... not at anyones
expense... but on the NG... everyone is fair game, especially those
that take themselves too seriously, which at times we all do.

By the way, I'm not Don Smith... just a blocke who likes a little
fun... especially with guys who can't back up what they say...
Alistair, I apologize... the info given to me was in the end a joke
pulled on me... hope it didn't do you any harm. Last time I write
without checking facts first.

Just remember guys... others out there think that we who post are worse
than we really are... many have mentioned that threds like this one
bring piping down... and after reading back through the posts lately...
I agree... the last thing we all need to do is give piping a bad rep.
We have an opportunity to help each other grow, discuss issues with
civil heads... and take the time to think... I for one want to thank
everyone for imparting their knowledge... even if they have only been
playing a wee while... we can always learn from the newbies... lets not
scare them off all the time. Think about it. My apologies to anyone I
may have offended... that was not my intent.

Slainte,

Ian


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From: George MacDonald <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: shuttle vs fireside
Date: 17 Mar 2000 17:44:41 GMT

Brad

Maybe I can give some information to help in your decision.  First, I am new to
piping.  I got a PC and book for Christmas.  I quickly decided that I needed a
teacher and found one.  My wife and I will be retiring in 10 & 1/2 months and
moving into our motor home and traviling around the country.  Also, my wife just
took up the guitar and we hope to play together.

The two set of pipes that I looked st were the fireside and the shutttle.  I
called and talked to Jerry several times and got a lot of good information from
him.  My understanding is that the fireside pipes were developed because when he
traveled he wanted to take more than the PC with him.  Hence the fireside pipes.

It sounds like what you want is exactly what Jerry wanted and designed.

I ended up buying the shuttle pipes because I wanted to play with the guitar and
the shuttle pipes are A instead of B flat and will work better with the guitar.

As for whether to get two drones or three, Jerry has a sale on right now where
you can get the three drone for the price of the two.  The price at Henderson
Inports in MI is $599 if I remember their flyer price correctly.

Good luck.

George MacDonald

Brad Morrison wrote:

> I'm kicking around the idea of getting a set of Walsh shuttle
> pipes or Gibson fireside pipes.
>
> The main use would for travel.  Instead of taking the full set of
> GHB's, I'd like something that takes a bit less room.
> I imagine that I would use them for practicing too, as I get
> pretty tired of the sound of the PC.
> And last, something a bit quieter would be nice for when somebody
> wants to hear a song or two, but doesn't need to hear the full
> impact of the big pipes.
>
> I don't see myself playing with other types of musicians, so the
> key is not especially important.  Playing gigs with guitarists
> and
> the like is not likely.  However, a couple other band members
> have
> Gibson's in Bflat, so it would be nice to be able to play with
> them.  I am assuming to do that, the only possibility is the
> Gibsons in B flat.  Is that correct, or are the shuttle pipes
> modifiable from A?
>
> I like the shuttles because of size/portability.  I like the
> Gibsons because, well, they look like bagpipes - I'm not sure how
> easy they are to tote around.
>
> For both, what are the advantages (real world) of 2 vs 3 drone?
>
> Any recommendations are welcome!
>
> Brad
>
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From: ccc31807 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DEALERS! PLEASE READ THIS!
Date: 17 Mar 2000 09:47:12 -0800

In article <[e-mail]>, Paul Gretton
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm looking for Donald MacLeod's books 1 and 4. They're out of
print. Do
>any of you dealers out there have them in stock?

Please excuse my ignorance, but why do you want these books? Is
it particular tunes, a style of tune, the identity of the
compiler or composer, or something else? There are many, many
books on the market, so many that you can't learn all the tunes
in but a few, and I really wonder why a series old enough to be
out of print would be sought after.

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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Schwing!
Date: 22 Mar 2000 13:34:44 -0500

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:28:03 GMT, Brian Counihan <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>Chris,
>Thanks for the loveley day in Maryland at your wedding. Laurie the
>girls and myself had a wonderful time. You new set of Roddy pipes are
>excelent in tone and presentaion.

I had some time to play them today ... a really first-class
instrument. Popped in my Lee Rockets, and played them with a MacLellan
chanter, a Kron phenolic, and a Sinclair and oh how sweet.  BIG sound
much louder than my MacDougall's.

>Long may they give you pleasure. (Oh
>the same for Heather to!)

Och, she will lad.

>May the Gods bless you both and may you have a long and wonderfull
>marriage.

Much obliged, I'm glad you could make it.

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Hamilton
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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Schwing!
Date: 22 Mar 2000 13:32:28 -0500

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:47:27 GMT, oshpiper <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>,
>[e-mail] wrote:
>> Just got back from my honeymoon ... can't wait to try out my wedding
>> present from the lovely Heather ... a brand-new set of silver-mounted
>> Roddy MacLellan bagpipes !!!!!
>>
>> (for the curious, I got her a silver-n-ivory Kron practice chanter).
>>
>> Chris
>
>Do ya need a housekeeper?

Yes, if you can fit into a French Maid's outfit.

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Hamilton
[e-mail]
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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Schwing!
Date: 22 Mar 2000 15:47:27 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] wrote:
> Just got back from my honeymoon ... can't wait to try out my wedding
> present from the lovely Heather ... a brand-new set of silver-mounted
> Roddy MacLellan bagpipes !!!!!
>
> (for the curious, I got her a silver-n-ivory Kron practice chanter).
>
> Chris

Do ya need a housekeeper?

Pat


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From: Doug Campbell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 13:15:21 -0500



madman wrote:

>
>
> >and in groups
> Reminds me of a group of chimps I observed at the Bronx Zoo,
> all jerking each other off furiously.
>

Oh yeah I know those guys!  I used to see them down along the lower West
Side Drive on warm Friday evenings!

Doug C.



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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 13:40:46 -0500

ferraridrones wrote:
>
>
> By the way, I'm not Don Smith...
Sure and I'm not David Michael Atherton,sure buddy.
 >just a blocke who likes a little
> fun...
..At the expense of neophyte pipers looking for a bargain.


> Alistair, I apologize... the info given to me was in the end a joke
> pulled on me... hope it didn't do you any harm. Last time I write
> without checking facts first.
Little too little ,little too late.
The real harm is done to your customers....but you know that.
Ever see a pissed-off Gold Medallist?
It ain't a pretty sight.
>
> Just remember guys... others out there think that we who post are worse
> than we really are...
Here come the violins...
 many have mentioned that threds like this one
> bring piping down...
Bad pipes bring piping down...but you know that first hand.
> and after reading back through the posts lately...
(waxing philosophical..WOW!)
> I agree... the last thing we all need to do is give piping a bad rep.
he he...you're the bad rep.,...as in rep. of Booths.
The best thing you could do is shut-up and take it on the chin,instead
of
inviting redress.
> We have an opportunity to help each other grow,
I'm already a grown man...6'1", and 215 lbs.
> discuss issues with
> civil heads... and take the time to think...
Is that what I smell?
Stop thinking so much...it ain't working.
Don't back-peddle yourself to death here.

 >I for one want to thank
> everyone for imparting their knowledge...
Pucker,pucker...
> even if they have only been
> playing a wee while... we can always learn from the newbies... lets not
> scare them off all the time. Think about it. My apologies to anyone I
> may have offended... that was not my intent.
>

Your intent was to shamelessly pimp your wares.
Just remember,before you can pimp a good product...you'll need to *have*
a
good product.
You've done neither one Mr. Yugodrones.

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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 13:41:53 -0500

Doug Campbell wrote:
>
> madman wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > >and in groups
> > Reminds me of a group of chimps I observed at the Bronx Zoo,
> > all jerking each other off furiously.
> >
>
> Oh yeah I know those guys!  I used to see them down along the lower West
> Side Drive on warm Friday evenings!
>
> Doug C.

Just keep the windows rolled up,and you'll be fine.

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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 22 Mar 2000 14:09:23 -0500

ccc31807 wrote:
>
> This is real silly, this pissing contest between aficianados of
> these brands of pipes.
Your posts are silly.
>
> It's true, to a large extent that the piper makes the pipe. If
> all pipers were identical then we might be able to detect some
> differences between makes of pipes. But they are not, and we
> can't.
Who is "we".
You and Ferraridrones?
Tell that crap to the guy whose pipes are evaporating before his eyes
because they were made of Striped friggin Ebony.
Tell that crap to the guy who has to wrap miles of hemp
around his "pipes" ,because every mount,every ferrule,.every bush,every
accoutrement
has fallen off his pipe.
Tell that crap to the guy who can't find a reed to go in his bass drone
because the maker put a bush in it the size of the Holland Tunnel.
Tell that to the guy who thought he was getting a bargain on a
so-called "good" set of pipes and then ends up
spending hundreds of dollars on repair work just to make the drones go
toot.
Tell that crap to anyone than myself,.....I know better,and I've written
volumes
on it....but you know that.

> plays a Paki pipe, and a lower grade (not competitive yet) plays
> a set of Naills, and the Naills sound like crap while you would
> swear the Pakis were made of gold.
You've got a lot to learn.
You couldn't even get the Pakis to tune above 450 Hz.
..and thats assuming you get a good set of Pakis...
..you know the ones with bores that go *thru* the wood.
>
> On this one, I would have to side with Mark Lee. Krons
> potentially can sound very good or very bad depending on who is
> playing them,
Duh...you're a master of the tautology.
> and it's just plain silly to say that *all* pipes
> of a particular maker are terrible.
..and its even more silly to say that Naills and Pakis can be made to
sound alike.
Heres .025 cents..buy a clue.
JUst don't buy a shitty bagpipe.

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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Looking for Sandy Gordon
Date: 17 Mar 2000 16:09:00 -0400

Not the tune...............the person.

Former P/M of  Grade 2,  Saint Andrews Society Pipe Band of Fredericton,
N.B.................I think he is still a member of said band, just not the
P/M any more.

Anybody got Sandy's e-mail address........or does he have one?

tnx in advance............David



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From: [e-mail] (PYPPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Musunderstood Tune Names
Date: 21 Mar 2000 01:59:42 GMT

Ah yes, but don't we all remember that old and loved christmas carol about
Round John Virgin? Stu

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 21 Mar 2000 02:06:29 GMT

>Correct.  I think so, and other NG members think so.  Check the archives on
>this thread.

What? Where'd that come from? I didn't see but maybe one person out of all the
posts on the subject that agreed with you Dave.
Your statement about them being "uproven in solos" is ridiculous. If they can
organize band comps, they easily do solos just as well. and the prize money is
the highest I've ever seen.
And you could possibly win MONEY <swinging a shiny object back and forth> MONEY
MONEY AND MORE MONEY!!!


>>.and after saying that i was cockeyeddid you expect
>>any response other than "piss off"..?
>
>Well, now you've let the whole NG see what a nimrod you are.
>

Again, you need a reality check Dave. Didn't you instigate this whole thing by
sending private emails to the guy complaining about high fees that so far only
you have complined about? Then you brought your one man war here.

>On Friday I got a fresh, brand-new
>entry form from the Red Bank

Just a little joke on their part I'm sure... hee hee hee
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 18:58:28 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
ferraridrones <[e-mail]> wrote:

> By the way, I'm not Don Smith... just a blocke who likes a little
> fun... especially with guys who can't back up what they say...

Like I said, first week of May.

> Just remember guys... others out there think that we who post are
worse
> than we really are...

The ones who lie their asses off really are worse than people think.

> many have mentioned that threds like this one
> bring piping down...

Particularly when chicken-shit little liars start spewing.

>and after reading back through the posts lately...
> I agree... the last thing we all need to do is give piping a bad rep.

"We?"  Don't include "we" in your attempt at evenly distibuting the
feces.

> We have an opportunity to help each other grow, discuss issues with
> civil heads... and take the time to think... I for one want to thank
> everyone for imparting their knowledge... even if they have only been
> playing a wee while... we can always learn from the newbies... lets
not
> scare them off all the time. Think about it. My apologies to anyone I
> may have offended... that was not my intent.

If your intent was to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that you are a
lying little chicken-shit, then you've succeeded.

Mark


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From: [e-mail] (ALIXGUNN)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 19:04:26 GMT

>>BTW, has anyone ever read Thomas Cahill's,How the Irish Saved Civilization.
Ireland wasn't always just about Jelly Babies & Proddies killing each other!<<

     Yes, John - I have read that book - as well as several other books on both
Irish and Scottish history.  I wouldn't call myself a "buff" nor an "expert",
but at least I have a vague idea of what went on, and who did what....etc. etc.
From various points of view.
   It's these "rabble rousers" who get caught up in "the moment" that I have a
problem with. I've known plenty of idiots who suddenly "found" their Irish
roots, and went out and joined the local Hibernians. They've never cracked a
history book. They've never been to Belfast. The Boyne, Shankhill Road and
Derry mean squat to  them.   But they'll march in every parade, and send money
to buy bullets for the IRA.  What do they care -  they're not living in the
line of fire.
    Mama always said that if you keep picking at a scab, the wound never heals.
         I just really hate "pickers"

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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 22 Mar 2000 19:06:47 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
ccc31807 <[e-mail]> wrote:
> This is real silly, this pissing contest between aficianados of
> these brands of pipes.

Then you've missed the heart of the matter.  My contention with
ferraridrones has to do with the fact that s/he's a lying little piss-
ant.

Mark



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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time
Date: 22 Mar 2000 19:26:07 GMT




1 Set full silver McCallums (Sold my granigers to pay for them)
1 BW McCallum pipe chanter
1 Poly War-Mac pipe chanter
1 Poly Gibson pipe chanter on order
1 Broken Hardie pipe chanter
1 Full size BW McCallum practice chanter
1 Full size Naill poly pc
1 regular size BW P.Henderson pc
1 regular size BW Kintail pc
1 electronic pc (the swedish one)
1 3 drone Walsh Shuttle pipe

And a Doodlesac!
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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 14:29:06 -0500

ferraridrones wrote:
> Yeh, hahahaha... jokes on you... read on further to what I really play
> and have done for the last Twenty Years. They don't sound like Diesel
> horns...

Well there you have it folks.
These "pipes" are so good that the man who deals them and recommends
them
and swears by them plays.........Hendersons.

BTW-("Booth" is gaelic for ..really,really cheap pipe that is made of
striped Ebony,and
then coated with Black aniline dye,
to make it appear to be real African Blackwood,with 20 coats of lacquer
that is *higher* than the combing)

(rough translation of course)

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Subject: (bagpipe) hi
Date: 22 Mar 2000 19:31:07 -0000





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Date: 22 Mar 2000 14:47:30 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
>  has to do with the fact that s/he's a lying little piss-
> ant.
>
> Mark
>

"lying little piss-ant",
Gaelic for "Booth Pimp".

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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 22 Mar 2000 14:42:45 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
>
> Then you've missed the heart of the matter.  My contention with
> ferraridrones has to do with the fact that s/he's a lying little piss-
> ant.
>
> Mark

..who's about to get stomped.

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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Schwing!
Date: 22 Mar 2000 14:53:43 -0500

Michael New & Diane Rossmiller wrote:
> > (for the curious, I got her a silver-n-ivory Kron practice chanter).

> Wait a minute...she got you a set of silver mounted Roddy MacLellan
> pipes, and you got her a _practice chanter_?!?!?!?!

In Chris' defense...it was silver and elephant ivory.
He's not *that* cheap!
LOL
>

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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 20:15:32 GMT


> > While reading another posting by you, regarding fire department and
> > police bands, I see that you continue to make the reference
of 'celtic
> > pride.' I have no celtic pride, but instead pride in my Scottish,
> > Scots-Irish and English heritage not the popular catch
> > phrase 'celtic.' Furthermore I can see that you are most likely a
no-
> > talent hack that hides behind this 'celtic pride' as excuse for poor
> > playing and even poorer attitudes.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > A non-political Ryan Jones
> >
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> >
>
> The above is the reason why I like being associated with a band that
> has "United Gaelic" as part of their official name. I am of almost
pure
> Irish descent, but enjoy all things Scottish, Irish. The problem has
> been that we have been a house divided far to long in our history
which
> fomented our defeat over the centuries.
>
> --
> Brian C.
> http://www.stcolumcille.com/
> "If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it
> makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy
>

I agree with you, but I think that the word "celtic" has become
something of a cliche; not accurate or precise.  Gaelic on the
otherhand directly relates to Irish and Scottish, but the wide
interpretation of celtic includes French, English, Spanish, Moorish,
and tons of other peoples and music interpretation.

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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 20:11:56 GMT


> > Well actually the majority of Protestants in N. Ireland during that
> > time were Scots-Irish or rather from Scotland. Anyways to make a
long
> > story short these two groups did not really get along that well and
> > there was quite a conflict between them.
> >
> > Ryan
> >
>
> Ah, but didn't the Scots originally come from Ireland?
>
> To quote Mr. King
>
> "Can't we all just get along?"
>
> --
> Brian C.
> http://www.stcolumcille.com/
> "If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it
> makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy

It would be a great day when people could all get along, but until then
it would probably be a good compromise for people to at least try to
stop annoying each other.  My only point in posting was to try to make
people realize that those kind of comments are inappropriate both in
general and on this NG.

Personally I have no problems with people expressing their heritage in
a positive way and playing in a pipe band is a great way to get intouch
with both the Scottish and Irish cultures.  But in that post, a women
was making an obscene gesture which certainly would have bothered me.

I have froze in St. Patrick's Parades and broiled at Highland Games,
but either way music is music and people are people.

Ryan Jones

PS - It does not really matter where your ancestors are from,
originally everyone is from Africa anyways....  But it would stand to
reason that people from Scotland are a combination of Irish, English
and Viking blood plus whatever was handy...


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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lee Rocket Top-off Approach
Date: 22 Mar 2000 15:41:16 -0500

Royce Lerwick wrote:
>
> >The thought
> >would never occur to us to order a set of reeds for "my 1968 Henderson
> >drones, turned by Greg Sharpe,
>
> Because there is no such thing and never has been. Unless you mean,
> "fake Hardie/Hendersons packed up and shipped by junior clark Sharp,
> on his way to fetch the sandwiches for lunch."
>
> Royce

Greg Sharpe never,ever turned a piece of wood,anywhere including in his
own shop.
His tenure at Henderson Bagpipes(which as at the low-point of that firms
making abilities)
was served as a gopher,...answering phones,packing pipes,sweeping
floors.
Any of the earlier KIntails from the early 70's were really a nice pipe.
But those pipes were never ever turned by Mr. Sharpe himself,
he had the old dude Pettigrew working for him.
Of course Kintail went belly-up in the late 80-'s and re-emerged as
the Kmart of the GHB.
At this point,Sharpe was hiding out(on the lamb) in Germany,due to
huge amounts of back-taxes owed to the UK officials,and enormous debts
owed to Dalman
& Narborough(silversmiths)...somewhere along the lines of 30,ooo pounds
sterling owed to the silversmiths
alone.
Nice n' shiny and made of striped Ebony....thats how you make money.
As a matter of public interest,I think it is important that I should
mention that one
big dealer of Sharpe products out here on the east coast(LOng Island),
actually refuses to do any more business with Sharpe & CO., ever since
he realized
that Sharpe was sending him pipes made of striped Ebony,and claiming it
was African Blackwood.
Of course,the dealer himself is not to blame,he din't know what was
happening
until he had some pieces of drones sent out to a wood expert for
examination.
The results were,of course,quite shocking.....STRIPED EBONY.
Now then,if you see an ad for "Blackwood pipes"..beware.
You could paint a piece of pine black and well,technically,you can call
it
blackwood...you just can't call it *African Blackwood*.

Perhaps the worst offense came to the dealer when he personally ordered
a set of
full-silver KIntails for his own use.
I have the pictures of the pipes before they were sent back,which in
essence sealed
the fate of this dealer/maker relationship.
It ain't pretty.
(maybe I'll put em up on a website)
Apparently,Greg Sharpe thinks so little of not only his customers,but
also thinks so
little of his top-dealers that he thought he could fuck him too.
Basically the whole essence of Sharpe & CO. is "Fuck em' all,and fuck
em' good".
In retrospect ,its a bit comical that Sharpe has the unmitigated gall
to cut the hand that feeds him.
The absolute shit set of full-silver pipes went back to Scotland,
and from what the dealer has told me,was sold a week later...unaltered.

The dealer himself is getting the last laugh.
He still lists "Kintail pipes" on his website,but for effect only.
The website reads  "Kintail pipes..striped ebony Blackwood".

The dealer of course,is anxiously awaiting Mr. Sharpe to step off the
747 so he can give him what he deserves... a right hook to the jaw,
and a good NY style beating.

You don't sell Striped Ebony pipes to NYPD officers and expect to get
away with it.
After all,this is the town that never sleeps.....

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From: Brian Counihan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 16:18:08 GMT

In article <8b8udi$2gk$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] wrote:

> While reading another posting by you, regarding fire department and
> police bands, I see that you continue to make the reference of 'celtic
> pride.' I have no celtic pride, but instead pride in my Scottish,
> Scots-Irish and English heritage not the popular catch
> phrase 'celtic.' Furthermore I can see that you are most likely a no-
> talent hack that hides behind this 'celtic pride' as excuse for poor
> playing and even poorer attitudes.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> A non-political Ryan Jones
>
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>

  The above is the reason why I like being associated with a band that
has "United Gaelic" as part of their official name. I am of almost pure
Irish descent, but enjoy all things Scottish, Irish. The problem has
been that we have been a house divided far to long in our history which
fomented our defeat over the centuries.

--
Brian C.
http://www.stcolumcille.com/
"If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it
makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy


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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Schwing!
Date: 22 Mar 2000 21:36:31 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] wrote:

> Yes, if you can fit into a French Maid's outfit.


O.K.  But, I'm not bending over to pick-up anything up off the floor in
front of you.

Pat


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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: reccomendations on Blackwood P/Cs
Date: 22 Mar 2000 13:54:28 -0800

He does it because you are worth it.
Dick

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From: pakistani uppgrading <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) pakistani upgrading
Date: 22 Mar 2000 14:05:25 -0800

I`ve bought a set of pakistani pipes and can`t get sound
from the chanter. What kind of upgrading does it need?
Is it enough to buy a quality chanter reed?

From a beginner.


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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Please help feed my addiction
Date: 19 Mar 2000 17:00:44 -0500


She will learn the correct way in time, If she hangs in. Could be a good
Band Piper with effort. I had a student like her  last year. Her fingering
was all on the tips and playing C naturals as well. She's good to go
now...Took 4 Months to straighten her out.
Cheers,
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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 19:53:53 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Beginnertunes) wrote:
> >I do agree with that statement however this was from an honors
history course
> >that I took at Wesleyan University last year,
>
> One or two courses hardly qualifies you as a history buff.

Yes but the overall fact that I am interested in history beyond the
single class.  In fact my only reference to that class was because it
dealt pretty well with the current post.


> >Well if the phrase fits...
>
> Aye but what makes it fit? Fact is you know nothing about my playing
or his.
> You just use that expression on anyone who pisses you off or
disagrees with
> you.

I may over use the term "hack" a little too much, but I feel it is a
pretty safe guess that both Rachel MacLellan and this TLER4 fellow are
pretty poor players.

> >I never claimed to be a History major
>
> You said in your post in this thread (I think it was this thread)
that you were
> a "history major".
> I'm not trying to rekindle our war Ryan, just pointing out some
inconsistencies
> in your posts.

I never have claimed to be a History major nor did I ever have that
interest, but I still am pretty interested in history.

Ryan Jones

PS - This is friendly debate, not the armed conflict of previous
posts...


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From: kingfisher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pakistani upgrading
Date: 22 Mar 2000 17:17:06 -0500

mm.. sorry to tell you this. but you might think of returning that set
of pipes and getting proper african blackwood scottish made set. even
some of plastic set made in north america. i heard some of paki pipes do
work, but lot of 'em are just not worth bothering with. you could get
yourself a new chanter, but that will cost US$150 to few hundreds..
depends on material (plastic or african blackwood), and make. then you
would have to try to make the drones going.. too much problem and hard
work.

pete


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From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth
Date: 22 Mar 2000 22:12:49 GMT

Not about to get entangled in any of this, however here are a few thoughts:
1) Much of what we hear on our shoulders is lost (or changes dramatically) 3
feet back.
2) A bagpipe will not out-perform a piper..
3) Buy a well made bagpipe.  Spend your money once.

In my experience, those few "special" bagpipes are only special in the hands
of those with the greatest skill.  Also, those with the greatest skill will
expose both the best and the worst features of a bagpipe.  The unique sound
that a "special" bagpipe produces is lost on all but the most sophisticated
of audiences.  Much of what is "special" may be a matter of taste, which
changes from person to person.  Lastly, the synthetic reeds of today tend to
level the playing field between "special" and "ordinary" pipes.

Too often I see inexperienced enthusiasts scoffing at one set of pipes or
another and then pick up their own "classic" set and struggle to produce a
sound.  We don't have to go back in threads too far to read of people buying
pipes that fall apart, or twist all up, simply aren't what they are
proported to be, or otherwise.  I'll go back to what I said earlier.  Do
your "due diligence" before making a purchase.  Inspect the pipes
thoroughly, research the maker, research the dealer, get a second and third
opinion, and make an informed buying decision.

And if you decide to "trade up" later on, do so for the right reasons!  oh,
and if you've bought a well made set of pipes, chances are they'll hold
their value much better than a tinkertoy set.

Ringo


ccc31807 <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> This is real silly, this pissing contest between aficianados of
> these brands of pipes.
>
> It's true, to a large extent that the piper makes the pipe. If
> all pipers were identical then we might be able to detect some
> differences between makes of pipes. But they are not, and we
> can't.
>
> Time for a little thought experiment. Take two thousand pipers,
> not great ones but not lousy ones either, outfit one thousand
> with Booths and the other with Krons (and to go back to an
> earlier silly thread, outfit a third with Gibsons), turn them
> loose for a couple of years, and then have a listen. Mix the
> thousands thgether, have them play individually before a
> thousand judges, blind so the looks wouldn't give it away, and
> have the thousand judges guess the particular make of pipe.
>
> My guess as to the result? Half or less of the judges would be
> able to identify the make of pipe the individual is playing.
> Reason? The individual differences in setup, maintenance, and
> and playing would far outweigh any differences in the sound of
> the pipe. Basis for my opinion? An upper grade piper I know
> plays a Paki pipe, and a lower grade (not competitive yet) plays
> a set of Naills, and the Naills sound like crap while you would
> swear the Pakis were made of gold.
>
> On this one, I would have to side with Mark Lee. Krons
> potentially can sound very good or very bad depending on who is
> playing them, and it's just plain silly to say that *all* pipes
> of a particular maker are terrible.
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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pakistani upgrading
Date: 22 Mar 2000 22:21:32 GMT

>I`ve bought a set of pakistani pipes and can`t get sound
>from the chanter. What kind of upgrading does it need?

Lighter fluid and a match.
Scotia Aye!
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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: hi
Date: 22 Mar 2000 22:28:28 GMT

>>

       >>

Gotta love a woman of few words...
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 22:30:49 GMT

>Well there you have it folks.
>These "pipes" are so good that the man who deals them and recommends
>them
>and swears by them plays.........Hendersons.

Gotta love it... another phony deal-dealer.
Scotia Aye!
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From: [e-mail] (ALIXGUNN)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 22:33:33 GMT


>I agree with you, but I think that the word "celtic" has become something of a
cliche; not accurate or precise. <

     The word "Celtic" has come to mean - to the masses - just about anything
from the "British Isles"   You tack "Celtic" onto anything with a bit of
tartan, a bodhran or pipes....and people buy it as authentic folkculture.
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From: "Piper" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 21 Mar 2000 22:51:54 -0500

A pipers third hand is a false sense of security.  They never fully cover
the holes as would your fingers.  You'll learn quickly that it isn't a
substitute for learning how to tune without it.  Perfect tuning (if that is
even possible with bagpipes) can't quite be achieved with a piper's third
hand.  It's nice to have someone with a good musical ear around to help you
tune, but when that isn't possible you'll have to learn how to judge for
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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: CD recommendations for learner?
Date: 22 Mar 2000 23:04:41 GMT

>Well, seems it's high-time I high-tailed it down to Plymouth to see what
>Dave Keenan has in stock. I've been meaning to get down there...but I just
>haven't found myself in the vicinity. Now I'll just have to make a point of
>it.
>
>Thanks everyone.
>
>Slαinte!
>
>Michael McWilliams
>Cohasset, MA


Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bagpipe Related Tattoos...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 23:06:59 GMT

>You know you can only get one
>note out of a skin flute.

No I didn't know that Pat, but I'll bow to your superior experience errr I mean
knowledge. LOL
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: Brian <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pakistani upgrading
Date: 22 Mar 2000 23:08:13 GMT

I bought a small "toy" set for my kid.  It has working drones etc....
I replaced the bag due to seasoning dripping through the one it came
with.
Still no go.  The drones bores are not even straight.

Since you have already bought it you might use it for a wall decoration
and purchase a good set.  Trying to learn on a set that won't play will
just make you want to quit.

Brian

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From: "Hugh Armstrong" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pakistani upgrading
Date: 22 Mar 2000 23:21:54 GMT

i find a bucket of gasolin works much better than lighter fluid
Brian <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> I bought a small "toy" set for my kid.  It has working drones etc....
> I replaced the bag due to seasoning dripping through the one it came
> with.
> Still no go.  The drones bores are not even straight.
>
> Since you have already bought it you might use it for a wall decoration
> and purchase a good set.  Trying to learn on a set that won't play will
> just make you want to quit.
>
> Brian



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From: [e-mail] (Waterfly)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting for Suo Gann?
Date: 22 Mar 2000 23:30:59 GMT

>It's in one of the "Highland Harmonies" books . .. Sui Gwan, is the spelling
>in the book, I believe.
It's a Welch lullaby, spelled Suo Gan, and it is lovely on the pipes.


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From: "JOHN BROADWELL" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) "UNKNOWN"PIOBAIREACHDS
Date: 22 Mar 2000 23:28:07 -0000

There are thirty one Piobaireachds composed by John Grant, the first Army
instructor at Edinburgh Castle, listed in his book "Piobaireachd : it's
Origin and Construction" published in 1915, most of the titles of which I
have never ever come cross, does anyone know where they are published????

There are also other tune titles by other composers I have never come across
before, these other titles are as follows : -

Berisdale's Salute
Black Watch's salute
Laird of Borlum's Salute
(is this the same tune as MacKintosh of Borlum's Salute?)

Salute to G. Campbell of Calder
Castle Menzies Salute
Salute to John Ciar
Lady Doyle's salute
Elchies or "Macnab's Salute"
Inverary Salute
Kinlochmoidart's Salute
Laggan Salute
Lochiel's Salute or "Away with your Tribe Ewen"
MacDonald of the Isles Salute
The MacDougall's Salute
MacKenzie of Gairloch's Salute
MacLeod of Gesto's Salute
Roderick More MacLeods Salute (sic)
(Possibly "Salute on the Birth of Rory Mhor Macleod")

Pipers Salute to his master

General Thomason's Salute
Miss Mabel Thomason's Salute
(I think these two tune's inclusion proves my point about newish
compositions being included)

ad infinitum/nauseum

Those listed above are just a few from his list of salutes.
I would be quite interested to hear from someone with a copy of General
Thomason's  book to see if any of these tunes cross reference with that
work, the problem as I see it is that Grant included his own tunes in the
list and by implication probably included other contemporarily composed
tunes. However, all the old standards are also there.

Other categories which he lists, in which the same process can be observed
are : -

Welcome's
Laments
Farewells
Gatherings
Marches or Challenges
Battle tunes
Warnings
Nameless
Miscellaneous

Any comments or enlightenment would be gratefully received.

Slainte

John B



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From: "JOHN BROADWELL" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: plastic versus cane
Date: 22 Mar 2000 23:51:13 -0000


< "......most knowledgable listeners would characterize as being warmer,
more alive, and
 having richer harmonics and overtones..." >



Richard, you make cane sound SO sexy ;-) mmmmmmmm!!

But you are absolutely right!!!

Slainte

John B




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From: [e-mail] (McBagpiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pakistani upgrading
Date: 22 Mar 2000 23:58:51 GMT

A few years ago a knew a fair piper in the band who could not afford blackwood
pipes and had a set of paki's.  he used the bands warnac plastic chanter and
set of wygent drone reeds.  actually, he sounded ok, as well as many others in
the grade 5 band.  If they are all you have, go for a plastic chanter, shepard,
warmac etc and a set of wygents.  once you can afford blackwood, you'll need
the chanter and wygents any way.  don't loose faith.....you can make them work

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From: RachelAnne <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: CD recommendations for learner?
Date: 22 Mar 2000 15:59:33 -0800

Try the 48th Highlanders of Canada 'Amazing Grace and All-Time
Bapipe Favorites'.  It's a goofy name but a fantastic cd with
many traditional tunes.  It was put out before military pipe
bands were largely RIF'd. Some of the best players came out of
these bands. I think it was put out in '89, but I'm not sure on
that one...

RachelAnne

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From: "Michel W. d'Avenas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) HTS 200's Premiers Wanted
Date: 19 Mar 2000 14:49:27 -0800

We need 2 Premier HTS 200 snare drums. Can anybody help.  If you want to
trade them in for brand new HTS 700's this is also a possible option.
Thanks, Mike


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: HTS 200's Premiers Wanted
Date: 21 Mar 2000 00:29:56 GMT

Our band has some used equipment for sale too.
Here's the latest info I have on it. I'll post more when I get more specific
info.

Our band (Holyoke Caledonian Pipe Band) is presently in the process of selling
off our excess tenor and snare drums, some of which are a bit used. Not sure
what style or model number, however, they are Premier. It'll take me awhile to
get more info to you as we had just discussed this yesterday at the Holyoke St.
Patrick's Day Parade, and were not practicing this week.
BTW you made a mistake, we were founded in 1910, and our band is the longest
continuously operated band in North America, not the Notheast. I'm still
researching it though...
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Kent)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 23 Mar 2000 00:08:24 GMT

Personally, I thought it was incredibly funny.  Just goes to show you that so
many here in the United States of the Offended have to find something to gripe
about.  I often wonder if all those people who responded "seriously" to this
humorous story are the same ones that listen to Eddie Murphy, Steve Martin,
Robin Williams or Richard Pryor and lament that there is no pictoral diagram
to go along with the jokes.

HUMOR PEOPLE......LOOK INTO IT.

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Wow, got you people ALL stirred up.  I meant absolutely nothing
>racist or hateful.  We were all drunked up and I just wanted to
>stir up the bar a little bit.  I really had no idea there were
>any actual Brits there.  But, to be honest, if I had known in
>advance I can't say I wouldn't have done it.  I guess I just
>don't see the big deal.  I'm an American that could not care less
>about the Crown.  If 1000 Brits threatened to kill the President
>I'd say, "Watch out for Secret Service, they're mean bastards!!",
>I wouldn't start a fight because they offended my patriotic
>nature.  My family has been in this country for 5 generations so
>even though I have a Scottish surname, I'm a mix of a lot of
>nationalities.  Hey, people, it was no big deal.  Just because
>these people took it a helluva lot farther than I intended
>doesn't make me responsible; we were all adults as far as I could
>tell and most of the people getting REALLY rowdy looked like they
>were born when Vicky was still around.  Besides, with a history
>of Irish, Scottish, Welsh, and ESPECIALLY English soccer
>hooligans, I should not be made to feel bad about anything.
>These people willingly and gleefully denegrate and kill each
>other.  I meant nothing insulting (at least not seriously...)
>Some of you people should lighten up a little bit.  For those of
>you who saw what I intended by this (HUMOR), you are truly
>enlightened...
>
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From: [e-mail] (TLER4)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 23 Mar 2000 00:28:37 GMT

>I may over use the term "hack" a little too much, but I feel it is a
>pretty safe guess that both Rachel MacLellan and this TLER4 fellow are
>pretty poor players.
>

My Dear Sir,
Dot Not Assume anything.... and as I stated before.....

GET A LIFE !!!!!

Did you know that the Sun does not rise and fall because you are alive...and
just wondering????? are the Doorways in your shanty extra-wide...????

They must be...for your inflated head to fit through.............!!!!!

Once again....Get a Life !!!!



[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Kent)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: shuttle vs fireside
Date: 23 Mar 2000 00:30:18 GMT

Sounds like the shuttle pipes your student got were a little tweaky.
I've had mine for about a week now.  I got a set at a good price and
decided that it would be a good way to move along down the learning
curve without having to invest in a set of GHB for a while.  My instructor
agreed.  After a FEW HOURS of practice, I can now hold a steady note for
almost 30 seconds straight.  I will definitely admit that the reeds in the
chanter and drones are very sensitive to air pressure changes.  Accoring
to my instructor, much more so that a GHB is.  Still for the price and
as a learning tool, I've met a lot of folks who really like them quite a bit.

I was asked to bring the pipes back for another
lesson with them when I could hold a clear note for at least half a minute.
For now, all music practice is still on the PC.  I was told that when I can
do the entire scale, up and down holding each note for a full minute without
"bobbling" then, according to teach, it will be time to start playing music
on the shuttle pipes.  After I've learned about a another 5-6 tunes, I'll move up
to GHB where I will learn the last half dozen that I need to play with the
local pipe band.  Sure, it's a slow and demanding process but doing something
well is worth putting in the time and effort.

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>>You mentioned that the shuttles are little
>>frustrating at first - how so?
>>
>
>They operate at practice-chanter pressure.  Remember when you were first
>learning to play PC?  And you'd overblow a little and the reed would blow shut?
> It's the same type of thing, and I found it aggravating to keep the proper
>pressure to keep everything (a) going, and (b) in tune.  A student has a set,
>and he gave up on it in frustration and uses it only as a practice goose.
>
>then again, I never really spent a lot of time with the shuttles.  They can
>probably be set up to work fine, but it would take some time and a lot of
>fiddling.
>
>Zu


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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 22 Mar 2000 15:56:30 -0900

Kent wrote:

> Personally, I thought it was incredibly funny.  Just goes to show you that so
> many here in the United States of the Offended have to find something to gripe
> about.

The only people who find this sort of bigotry and sectarianism funny are those who live in a
place where they don't have to suffer the consequences of it.

This sort of "humor" in Northern Ireland or parts of Scotland will get your legs broken.
Ignorant Americans may find all this vastly amusing, but no one else does.

I've been very pleased that the ng has been free of this sort of crap - can we please try to keep
it that way?

Sincerely,

Michael

p.s.  When you're done laughing, here's a couple of sites for you to check out:

        http://switch.to/ad4

        http://www.iowc.org/

Notice all the happy, laughing people.


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From: [e-mail] (Luramao)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pakistani upgrading
Date: 22 Mar 2000 20:02:23 -0500 (EST)

Well, since you're a beginner and you've already spent your money on
them - you could plug off the drones, pick up a cheap used/old chanter
and use them as a goose or just something to get the feel of the
bagpipes on.  Then at least they wouldnt be a Complete waste of  your
money....


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From: [e-mail] (Ryan Jones)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 23 Mar 2000 01:03:25 GMT

>My Dear Sir,
>Dot Not Assume anything.... and as I stated before.....

I would call my comment a conjecture not an assumption, based on your previous
posts I can clearly see that you have no talent.  That is probably why you do
not have courage to sign your real name???

>GET A LIFE !!!!!

As I have already stated, I have one.

>Did you know that the Sun does not rise and fall because you are alive...and
>just wondering?????

Insightful, I think we may have a future Ernest Hemingway here.... not!  If you
cannot post anything remotely interesting nor backup your statements with
logical statements than you should probably find another soapbox to climb up
on.

Ryan Jones

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From: [e-mail] (Luramao)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: hi
Date: 22 Mar 2000 20:07:12 -0500 (EST)

You see this is what the NG does to people - they're afraid to come on
here and say anything more than "Hi".   You guys must be one bunch of
MEAN dudes!!!!!!!!!!


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time
Date: 23 Mar 2000 01:05:09 GMT

>And a Doodlesac!

They have an operation for that now Brian.
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Luramao)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time
Date: 22 Mar 2000 20:27:00 -0500 (EST)

I'm put to shame.   All I can "brag" about is my pc collection.
Otherwise, I'm not even in the running:

1 set of Lawrie pipes
1 Sheperd plastic chanter
1 Naill blackwood ch
1 Old Lawrie ch
1 Old Hardie ch
1 set Wygents
1 set Cane drone reeds

However, I DO have "ta dum" - a collection of 4 blowpipes!   Yes, just
what you need for ONE bagpipe!

Its kinds tough to go around collecting other "spare" sets of bagpipes,
when they're so (relatively) expensive and when, having an excellent set
already, I cant find any excuse for getting another.   (I guess I should
have started with a Paki set.   Then I could've worked my way up the
line:  next get a plastic set, then a "striped ebony" set, then cheap
blkwood, etc.  Oh well....   I guess one can't have everything!)


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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 23 Mar 2000 01:32:24 GMT

On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:33:15 -0800, ferraridrones
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>So you think that I play deisel horns, when I play a great set of
>Henderson's... and with your logic... all Henderson's are deisel
>horns... so the likes of Bill Livingston is wrong to play
>Henderson's... I'm sure Bill will love to here your opinion on this...

Bill Livingstone hasn't been on the prize list a while you know. Cusak
and Gillies have you know. Maybe there's a reason?

Royce



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From: ccc31807 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 22 Mar 2000 17:37:38 -0800

In article <[e-mail]>, madman
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>Your posts are silly.
>Who is "we".
>You and Ferraridrones?
>Heres .025 cents..buy a clue.
>

I only tried to bring some perspective and sanity to the ng, but
I can see that it was a mistake, and I won't do it again. And
while I am thinking about it, I've got better things to do than
to waste my time on this, so you won't be hearing from me again.

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 23 Mar 2000 01:39:49 GMT

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:52:07 -0800, ferraridrones
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>I notice you didn't reply the real issue... you have never played
>Booth's, right?..

Just for the record, I've played, tuned, set up Booths. Still have at
least one set in my present band/or/two somewhere if I can remember
who's playing them. They do indeed have that stock Henderson-knock-off
tone and the workmanship is pretty decent, but it's really a matter of
taste, and I think the big Henderson bass-in-the-face tone is out of
fashion these days, and the sweet Lawrie, Robertson, balanced tone is
in, or at least the Glen/MacDougall somewhere-inbetween tones with a
bass-emphasis but not the Thrush Glasspack tone of the Henderson bass.
>
>And Royce...
>see you out here... look forward to seeing you, I like the dryness of
>that wit.

Good. I'll bring half of it with me. I'd bring it all but I'm only
taking carryon so I have to cut-back.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: reccomendations on Blackwood P/Cs
Date: 23 Mar 2000 01:48:23 GMT

On 22 Mar 2000 00:33:44 GMT, [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
wrote:

>>I am currently looking for a new P/C and would like to get a few
>>> opinions.
>
>Cushing Plastic.
>Scotia Aye!
>Bill
>
Might as well pimp something I designed. Try my Buzzpipe chanter at
Shetlandpiper.com. It's real damnded blackwood with stirling silver
ferrule threaded on, full-scale and very nice with a lot of reeds, and
even cheaper than probably any other blackwood chanter out there.

In fact, I'd even say the quality is as good or better than the Kron
long-scale PC.

Royce

(Dare you to give me any crap about that Mr. Atherton Sir!!!!!)

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 23 Mar 2000 01:41:12 GMT

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:58:28 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>,
>ferraridrones <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> By the way, I'm not Don Smith... just a blocke who likes a little
>> fun... especially with guys who can't back up what they say...
>
>Like I said, first week of May.

Why don't you come up to Alma instead that week and you can watch our
new band kick John Mitchell's grade-one ass. Well, guess technically
we won't be in his grade to play directly against him, but it's the
concept that I find appealing.

Royce

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From: "Scot Kortegaard" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Dr. MacInnes (Hornpipe)
Date: 21 Mar 2000 12:46:09 -0800

Hey Zu,
    My vote goes for "The Man From Skye". Another great Donald MacLeod tune.
I don't know if you'd call it technically forbidding or not, but a great
tune nonetheless. Have a look. Page 54, book 4.
    Scot.
Zudupiper <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> I want to learn a hornpipe, but a lot of them are pretty technique-heavy.
I
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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 23 Mar 2000 01:43:06 GMT

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:27:22 -0500, madman <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>ferraridrones wrote:
>>
>>
>> We have... including your reeds... it DIDN'T HELP!!!
>Gee Cusack and Gillies and Macey and Livingstone sure are loving life
>lately,
>must be them real shitty Rockets.

That's part of the problem with the Rockets. You can get them
configured to bring out almost any tone you want, so Bill's
Henderson's can sound more balanced if that's what he's shooting for,
or you can take a bass drone like my Glen reproduction that had more
of a Henderson/MacDougall edge to it and sweeten it right up.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 23 Mar 2000 02:25:19 GMT

>I've been in touch with Ernie (organizer for those games) and as of yesterday
>they had received a total of (1) that's "one" complaint regarding fees.
>That says it all...

Yeah, I guess I'm just the Andy Rooney of the NG.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 23 Mar 2000 02:34:10 GMT

>It is
>an aid used by beginning pipers, very handy,.......... but you should
>quickly outgrow the need for it.
>

By Godfrey, we're agreeing with each other for the second day in a row.

Scary.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: First parade notes, or a funny thing happened to me at the parade today.
Date: 23 Mar 2000 02:32:19 GMT

>The age-old question presents us with a new question: What do lady pipers
>wear
>under their kilts?

Running shorts/ compression shorts outnumber boxers about 2:1 in my experience.

Zu

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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: reccomendations on Blackwood P/Cs
Date: 22 Mar 2000 21:44:13 -0500

Royce Lerwick wrote:
> >
> Might as well pimp something I designed. Try my Buzzpipe chanter at
> Shetlandpiper.com. It's real damnded blackwood with stirling silver
> ferrule threaded on, full-scale and very nice with a lot of reeds, and
> even cheaper than probably any other blackwood chanter out there.
>
> In fact, I'd even say the quality is as good or better than the Kron
> long-scale PC.
>
> Royce
>
> (Dare you to give me any crap about that Mr. Atherton Sir!!!!!)

It *may* be *as-good*,but it definitely ain't better,and I'll beat your
price.

(and I'll make mine with elephant ivory or mammoth ivory or walrus
ivory,
and so much engraved SS,you'll be arrested for impersonating a New
Orleans pimp)

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From: "Mats d Hermansson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: reccomendations on Blackwood P/Cs
Date: 23 Mar 2000 03:23:15 +0100

If you are looking for a really top class blackwood practice chanter I
suggest you contact Rolf Littorin, maker of the ROS (Rolf of Sweden)
bagpipes. His long practice chanters are hand crafted with a high finish and
true pipe scale. He can usually supply personalised mountings in many
materials ranging from engraved sterling silver to mammoth and ivory. Only a
week ago he made me a new blackwood practice chanter mounted with ivory,
mammoth as well as engraved and plain silver. A masterpiece, in fact!

You can e-mail Rolf at: [e-mail]

All the best!

Mats d Hermansson



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> I am currently looking for a new P/C and would like to get a few
> opinions.  Thanks
>
> Gene
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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shaving Gilmour Reeds
Date: 23 Mar 2000 02:45:50 GMT

>Hi Zu, I've just tried your way. Seems to work. I tried shaving the edges
>starting
>just above the shoulder to just below the shoulder and tried staying away
>from the
>center (soundbox?) and the lips, then scraped it smooth.
>
>Sound about right?.

Yup.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time
Date: 23 Mar 2000 02:50:34 GMT

2.5 sets of GHB:
AB Krons, Kron chanter
Plastic Dunbars, WarMac chanter
Paki pipes, Dunbar chanter (waiting for the next student)

Set of Zetland smallpipes

3.5 PCs:
Kron AB
Dunbar plastic
Crappy Paki
Bottom part of a Dunbar long PC for silent fingering at work

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Rodger A. Cotton)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 23 Mar 2000 02:53:18 GMT

It does the same thing that a 3" strip of electrical tape does. You can hold a
low A with one hand, and tune with the other.

Rodger


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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pakistani upgrading
Date: 23 Mar 2000 02:59:47 GMT

>I`ve bought a set of pakistani pipes and can`t get sound
>from the chanter. What kind of upgrading does it need?
>Is it enough to buy a quality chanter reed?

Absolutely not.  The Paki chanter is crap and horribly lowpitched, which
matches the drones which are also designed to tune at about 1920"s pitch.

Get yourself an adequate, used plastic chanter for about $75, a set of Wygent
drone reeds for $60 and you should be able to sound not unlike a piper if you
have a competent piper set them up for you.  Don't forget to replace the
flapper valve.

Oh yes, retie all the stocks because they're probably loose, and season the bag
with some proper stuff, not the semi-solid stuff that comes with the pipes.  If
that works, you can hold off on the purchase of a new bag for a while.  The
blowpipe/ stock probably won't crack for a couple weeks.

Been there, done that, selling the pipes for $400.

Zu

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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 21:56:58 -0500

Royce Lerwick wrote:
>
> On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:52:07 -0800, ferraridrones
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >I notice you didn't reply the real issue... you have never played
> >Booth's, right?..
>
> Just for the record, I've played, tuned, set up Booths. Still have at
> least one set in my present band/or/two somewhere if I can remember
> who's playing them. They do indeed have that stock Henderson-knock-off
> tone and the workmanship is pretty decent,

You really do have a dry wit.

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From: Roger Whitson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tune?
Date: 22 Mar 2000 20:32:29 -0800

George's Music wrote:

> On Pipes and Drums of The Royal Scots Dragoon Guards(RCA LSP-4744)"
> Recording 7 B.
> The first song on this track is "Leaving Rhu Vaternish"
> Then "Nameless"
> Followed by "The Duck".
>
> Anyone know which tune the Nameless one is?
>
> thanks, George
>
> --
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I believe that is the name of the tune. There is a 'NAMELESS' on one of
my CD's in the middle of a medley. I also have the sheet music for
'NAMELESS', so I imagine that 'NAMELESS' is a legitimate 'NAME'  for the
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From: "Mark Scheen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Uilleann pipe questions
Date: 23 Mar 2000 02:52:17 GMT


"Mike Le Boeuf" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> I would suggest that your first set not be a pakistani made set.

Agreed.

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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 18:03:47 -0900

Royce Lerwick wrote:

> Bill Livingstone hasn't been on the prize list a while you know. Cusak
> and Gillies have you know. Maybe there's a reason?
>

Fascinating theory, Royce.

Let's consider a couple of equally likely explanations...

    1.  Bill Livingstone is a ... CANADIAN!!!!!  Alasdair Gillies and Mike
Cusack are...NOT CANADIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    2.  Bill Livingstone has a surname which consists of 3
SYLLABLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Cusack and Gillies both have _LESS_ than 3
syllables in their surnames!!!!!!!!

I think the implications are obvious (well, at least as obvious as your
conclusion...)

Yours in the spirit of scientific inquiry,

Michael







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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: shuttle vs fireside
Date: 23 Mar 2000 03:08:16 GMT

> I got a set at a good price and
>decided that it would be a good way to move along down the learning
>curve without having to invest in a set of GHB for a while.  My instructor
>agreed.

Never thought of that, using shuttles as sort of a goose/ steppingstone.

> I will definitely admit that the reeds in the
>chanter and drones are very sensitive to air pressure changes.  Accoring
>to my instructor, much more so that a GHB is.

RIght...but if you're blowing steady, steady is steady regardless of the
pressure.  The only drawback I could see would be that you might not be
breathing from the diaphragm, because you can play the shuttles with mouth
pressure usually.

>Sure, it's a slow and demanding process but doing something
>well is worth putting in the time and effort.

Amen.

When you get to the big pipes, let us know if your teacher thinks the shuttles
helped the process.  I'm curious myself.

And FWIW, I find it harder to blow steady at low pressures (shuttlepipes/
zetlands) than at high pressures (GHB) but maybe that's due to my reed setup.

Zu

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From: "Mats d Hermansson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: plastic versus cane
Date: 23 Mar 2000 04:12:56 +0100

Hello!

As usual the cane vs. synthetic question boils down to taste or in some
cases convenience. Personally I prefer the cane sound and think that the
sound of plastic and synthtetic reeds do not blend so well with the
harmonics of the chanter as the cane reeds which are richer in harmonics. A
good set of drones produces a room of overnotes and the differrent notes of
the chanter highlights different aspects of this harmonic room.

The worst sets of pipes I have ever heard were all equipped with some type
of synthetic or plastic reeds. On the other hand some of the world's best
solo players use synthetic reeds with a satisfying result. Although,
personally I would prefer to hear them playing cane reeds.

I do agree that it may take some time to find a good balanced set of cane
reeds, but once found, my experience is that they work for months without
any problems. The little extra time spent, pays off in sound quality.

One problem with so many pipers going over to synthetic reeds is that the
knowledge of handling cane reeds becomes less wide spread. Also there might
be fewer makers supplying cane reeds. It might even be diffucult to get good
cane reeds in the future.

The increasing confidence in synthetic drone reeds for the Great Highland
Bagpipe may well change the long term soundscape of the instrument, because
cane and plastic/synthetic have different sound qualities irrespectively of
which you like. But, of course this is nothing new. The pitch of the GHB has
risen about a semi tone during the past hundred years and the intervals of
the scale has converged towards the juste western scale. (Particularly the
fourth (D) of older chanters is augmented.) The use of new materials such as
plastic for pipe chanters has also changed the soundscape of the pipes.

It is intersting to note that the playing style of Highland piping adheres
to an exteremely strong meticulous tradition, particluarly when it comes to
fingering and interpretation of traditional music, at the same time as the
actual pitch, intervals and general quality of sound of the instrument has
changed quite considerably over the past hundred years.

Yours in piping,

Mats d Hermansson

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(Piping teacher, post graduate student of musicology)
[Chairman of The Pipe Band Association of Scandinavia]

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In article <8b66bk$34m$[e-mail]>, "Virna"
<[e-mail]> wrote:


> Hi there,
>
> You may be hearing a lot from me as I am currently doing a project on the
> Acoustics of the Highland Bagpipe.  My question for just now is:
>
> Is it more desirable to have a cane reed rather than plastic one for drones
> and why?
>
> Hope someone can help me.
>
> Cheers
>
>

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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 22 Mar 2000 22:21:20 -0500

Well  I think I could die pretty peacefully now since I've heard it all.

Over this past weekend I had a visit with a local dealer who wanted
to drop by and visit the shop.
He pops his head through the front door and there I am working
on the big CNC rig,making some parts,doing some set-ups etc.

So he says "are you Dave"...,of course I reply "yeah man,howz it goin?".
"nice to meet you".
He kinda grimaced a bit and started to chuckle and a big ol' kool-aid
,shit eatin' grin pops across his face.

Of course in typical NY fashion ,I'm like "whats so fuckin funny ,man?"
He replys..."shit everyone told me you were some old Hippie Fart,
(I'm 29)with hair down to his arse,(crew-cut)with beady little
glasses,and that
you and Charlie worked out of some barn or something(we have 3000 square
feet ,in an enormous industrial building BTW,with Piano makers,violin
makers etc.)and that you were just some vagabond who Charlie found
sleeping in his car in front of the barn".

WE both laughed our arses off.
The smile quickly dissappeared from his mug as he said...
"I wonder what they say about me!".

If that were not bad enough,I had some guys in the shop on Tuesday
checking out phenolics .
When they both walked thru the door the P/M of the band walks over to me
sitting at my desk,and says "are you Dave",and I say
"yeah man,howz it goin?".,

So he starts smiling and says "don't take this the wrong way,but
we were expecting a black man"
"A couple of guys told us that you were a black blues man!".
(i don't even like blues)
(Chris Hamilton and Zudu,and you other guys who've met me outta be
on the floor by now)

So there I sat looking like Hitlers wet-dream, complete with blonde
hair and green eyes,laughing my ass off.

Dave.."The hardest working Black man in the bagpipe biz who sleeps in
his car in front of the barn" Atherton.

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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 20:22:54 -0700

Oooooooohhhh.............that was original, spend a lot of time on the play
ground do you?

Once more to point out what an idiot you are.

Have you every heard or even seen Booths? Oh wait...... you haven't!!!
You have no clue what you are talking about. I think that has already been pretty
well established hasn't it Bagpip?  Oh sorry, BEGINNERtunes.


Don


Beginnertunes wrote:

> >"It's better to let people think you are an idiot than to open you mouth and
> >remove all doubt"
>
> Then why would YOU post here?
>
> Once more for comic value:
> Booth are as good sounding as vintage Hendersons...
>
> MUHAHAHAHA !
> Scotia Aye!
> Bill

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: reccomendations on Blackwood P/Cs
Date: 23 Mar 2000 03:27:40 GMT

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:44:13 -0500, madman <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>(and I'll make mine with elephant ivory or mammoth ivory or walrus
>ivory,
>and so much engraved SS,you'll be arrested for impersonating a New
>Orleans pimp)

Maybe I'll buy one of those myself.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 23 Mar 2000 03:28:44 GMT

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:37:38 -0800, ccc31807
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>I only tried to bring some perspective and sanity to the ng, but
>I can see that it was a mistake, and I won't do it again. And
>while I am thinking about it, I've got better things to do than
>to waste my time on this, so you won't be hearing from me again.

Can it really be that easy?

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (EdASmith)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Cairn on the Hill
Date: 23 Mar 2000 03:28:58 GMT

>Does anyone know where the music for The Cairn on the Hill is
>published?  Thanks.
>
>PiperJohn
>

It's in the John MacKenzie Collection.

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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 22 Mar 2000 22:39:07 -0500

madman wrote:

Kill Whitey!!!

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From: [e-mail] (MMorgan634)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North American Celti Arts Festival Gimme My Tickets!
Date: 23 Mar 2000 03:44:49 GMT

Royce,
    The offer for scotch in the hottub is still open.  Let me know.
Marilyn

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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 20:39:07 -0700

Boy Royce you are really reaching now. As far as I know, I only have one
personality, and it always posts under my own name.  If  I have something to
say, I will sign my name and stand behind it. If you don't see sdon attached
to the message, it's not me.  You will be here soon enough, you can meet
ferraridrones in person. I may even look you up as well. We don't even look
like each other. You are shooting in the dark man watch out for your feet.
Of course, they are usually in your mouth so you are probably safe. ;-)

Don the not so pathological piper.

Royce Lerwick wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:01:54 -0800, ferraridrones
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >Bill,
> >
> >Last I heard you were still a wee grade 4 punk without the benefit of
> >years of playing experience... i.e: ears that can tell the difference.
> >Stop throwing stones in the glass house... it's still winter. And by
> >the way... most of the Krons that are out here sound like they are
> >muted... the chanter overwelms the drones, even when playing a nose
> >bleed reed.
>
> Oh, you mean warm and sweet instead of roaring in your ear the way
> your Booth pipes do. By the way, there is no such thing as a "sweet"
> Henderson tone. Hendersons were noted for fill the room with a
> bombastic, bass-heavy tone.
>
> >And why is it that Alisdair Gillies sent the Pink Ivory
> >pipes he played at the QM back?
>
> What you really mean is, why are you a lying sack of shite?
>
> >Could it be that it is the player that
> >makes the pipe?  Or could it be that they were only good enough to make
> >it through an indoor weekend but not up to snuff for outdoor events?
>
> Or could it be that you're Don Smith a Booth dealer, and part-time
> pathological liar?
>
> >The experience we have had with Kron pipes here is that they are for
> >solo playing indoors. That might be great if you never compete, but in
> >the real world, most of us have to play outdoors, and in groups at
> >times where you need to be heard and where the sound has to carry.
>
> Especially in Utah were the valley floor is 5200 feet above sealevel
> and there isn't enough air to make noise up on the benches.
>
> Royce

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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 22 Mar 2000 22:54:12 -0500

Royce Lerwick wrote:
>
> On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:37:38 -0800, ccc31807
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >I only tried to bring some perspective and sanity to the ng, but
> >I can see that it was a mistake, and I won't do it again. And
> >while I am thinking about it, I've got better things to do than
> >to waste my time on this, so you won't be hearing from me again.
>
> Can it really be that easy?
>
> Royce

Shit no,this NG is like watching another guy get a speeding ticket.
You just *have* to rubber-neck...

(and then stomp on the gas,cuz that cops too busy to get you and the
other guy)

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From: "Robert Barker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: shuttle vs fireside
Date: 23 Mar 2000 03:58:50 GMT


> And FWIW, I find it harder to blow steady at low pressures (shuttlepipes/
> zetlands) than at high pressures (GHB) but maybe that's due to my reed
setup.
>
> Zu

Gotta agree with you there, Zu.  When I first got my shuttles I was barely
onto the GHB and the shuttles played real easy for me.  Now, a couple of
years later, the GHB is feeling much more comfortable and the shuttles are
damned hard to blow steady.

Bob B.



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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 20:45:04 -0700

Like you are one to talk.

Don

Beginnertunes wrote:

> >You can simply ask Iain how to get good tone - he's playing Krons
> >fitted with my reeds in the 78ths.
> >
> >I'd be interested to learn how your fertile little mind fabricated the
> >lie about Alasdair returning his set of pink-ivory Krons.  He wasn't
> >amused.
> >
> >Mark
>
> If you read his post carefully, it's full of lies. He's just another anonymous
> bum tearing down anything but Hendersons.
> I bet those Hendersons are really Booths, and they're too dumb to tell the
> difference.
> Scotia Aye!
> Bill

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From: "Mats d Hermansson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cane Drone Reeds
Date: 23 Mar 2000 04:32:44 +0100

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Hello!

We have been using the Hepburn drone reeds for a couple of years. A good set
of these is extremely steady with rich harmonics. They last for months. The
only problem is that lately some of the reeds have been badly cut giving a
leakage and unstable performance. Is there anyone else who has any
experience of the Hepburns?

All the best!

Mats d Hermansson

The Murray Pipes & Drums (of Gothenburg)

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In article <[e-mail]>, Don Robertson
<[e-mail]> wrote:


Hi All, Since there has been a lot of talk about Synth' drone reeds how
about something on cane. I have been looking at two makers, McNaulty and
Lumsden. Has anyone used these and is there really any difference?
Cheers
Don

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e only problem is that lately some of the reeds have been badly cut giving a=
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ce of the Hepburns?<BR>
<BR>
All the best!<BR>
<BR>
Mats d Hermansson<BR>
<BR>
The Murray Pipes & Drums (of Gothenburg)<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
<BR>
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eeds how about something on cane. I have been looking at two makers, McNault=
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>
Cheers <BR>
Don <BR>
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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth
Date: 22 Mar 2000 23:08:38 -0500

Ron Bowen wrote:
>
> 2) A bagpipe will not out-perform a piper..
I've got plans for "player-bagpipe",complete with compressor for 765.00.
Flawless every time!
Got ya there Ron!
> 3) Buy a well made bagpipe.  Spend your money once.
Now thats some very ,very,good advice.

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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 23:32:58 -0500

Royce Lerwick wrote:
> >
> >
> > Just for the record, I've played, tuned, set up Booths. Still have at
> > least one set in my present band/or/two somewhere if I can remember
> > who's playing them. They do indeed have that stock Henderson-knock-off
> > tone and the workmanship is pretty decent,
>

For some reason I'm having flashbacks of Mr. Haney
and his Grabwell washing machine.
Strange,very strange.

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From: "daithi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) wygent and gortex
Date: 22 Mar 2000 23:00:02 -0600

Ok, as if I did not have enough trouble after switching to wygent drone
reeds, now I have even more trouble striking in my new gortex medium bag. I
should not have changed bags before I learned the way to use these reeds. If
you can tell me how to strike in these reeds with this new bag let me know
how you do it.
                                                         Thanks
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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 21:39:32 -0700

First of all I didn't say ANYTHING about your damn pipes! Secondly I am not
ferraridrones.  Thirdly how the hell did I get dragged into this. Fourthly I said they
SOUND like Hendersons I never claimed they were threaded not many pipes are now days
we have really good glue now days it works good.
More to follow below:
madman wrote:

> sdon wrote:
> >
> > There is nothing wrong with the early sets, but they had a problem with the
> > ferrules coming loose which now has been resolved. . They are great pipes, sound
> > wise, you can't tell the difference between Booth and a SWEET set of old
> > Hendersons.
> ******Gee I actually read the above and I am sure I was comparing sound.
> Well Don,maybe you can't tell the "difference" ,but heres a few things
> I've noticed.
> Henderson et al actually used African Blackwood.
> Every Booth that has come thru this shop for repair has been made
> of Striped Ebony...which costs about 1/10th the cost of African
> Blackwood.

******What ever it is, it sure sounds good!

> (this is not to be confused with Gaboon Ebony,which is really
> quite expensive,and is really nice wood)
> (wanna see the pictures Mr. Smith?)
>

*******Ooooohhhhh pictures!!!

> Henderson actually thread on the mounts,Booth does not.
> Henderson actually threaded on the bushings,Booth does not.
> Henderson threaded on hemp-stops...Booth doesn't even put on hemp stops.
> Henderson actually threaded on the mountings,Booth does not.
> Henderson actually threaded on their ivory or imitation ferrules,Booth
> does not.
> *****Nothing to do with what I actually said.
> I really think that if Peter Henderson was alive,he'd kick your arse
> for trying to associate his level of quality with that of the stuff
> you're pimping

> Hendersons are vastly superior in every physical aspect.
> Stop Lying,you know better....and say Hello to Ferraridrones-Ian
> the next time you shave.
> ******First I am a "pimp" now I am a "liar" too. Like to sling names don't you. You
> are the one slinging the libel and making wild assumptions. Untill now I have never
> said anything but positive stuff about you on this wonderfull  fourm.  When you were
> the one being slagged, I even took the time to refute some of the same rummors you
> are now flinging at me. ....Ian and I don't even live in the same town little lone
> share the same bathroom. (I really don't think my wife would aprove anyway ;-) )
> >
> > > >
> > > > Here we go again! Get a new set and give them a look and a listen would you!
> > > > We could go on for hours on some of your earlier sets. They are great pipes,
> > > sound wise, you can't tell the difference between Booth and a SWEET set of old
> > > Hendersons.
>
> Sure...just not a Henderson Bagpipe....
>
> Gee Don,I guess its easy for a man to be flexible when he has no
> backbone.
> *****No backbone??  I post under my own name "Madman"
> Ever seen my "early" sets Don?
> No you havn't..stop lying.

> *****Now, now if you are going to ask me questions, I get to answer them. I have 6
> sets of your "old" design stamped Kron, I assume some one there made them.

> Why are all you Booth guys such blatant liars?
> ******Wow thats alot of liars!!
> Do me a favor Mr. Smith,..
> Don't email me anymore.

****Fine with me. You are jumping all over me and I never said anything about you or
your pipes. You seemed stressed try to relax man.

>
> Don't send me repairs anymore.

*****The only repairs  I ever sent you  were on Kron pipes and I have been pretty
patient about it. The last set I sent back to you to refinish you told me you didn't
have time and talk to you in 6 months. BTW you still have them. Would you mind sending
them back if you aren't going to repair them, so the piper that owns them has some
pipes to play? As you can imagine she is a little annoyed.

>
> Don't ask me to send you Blackwood shavings anymore.
> *****Ok  if it makes you feel better.
> After all,My stuff sucks right?

******Ohhhhhh another question.........I never said it did. My wife seems to like her
set ok.  What the heck is your problem?

>
> You said so.
> ******Dang you went ahead and answered it again!!!!! and BTW ONCE AGAIN, I didn't
> say anything, you are really freaking out.
>

> Booth dealers..they'll say ANYTHING to make a buck.

*****Pretty broad statement here.  What was it I said to make a buck?? I could use
more of those.

*****Dave you seem pretty upset, but you are barking up the wrong tree

DON (see the name here THIS is me)
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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Dr. MacInnes (Hornpipe)
Date: 22 Mar 2000 09:51:23 -0500



[e-mail] wrote:

> snip

> But the fact is, the modern day Scottish horpipe is
> a musical form closely resembling a traditional 8 bar Irish reel.

Exactly my point- why not call them reels, then, if that's what they are?
They don't sound like hornpipes, they don't feel like hornpipes, but
they're called hornpipes.


>
> There are good rounded out hornpipes and bad ones- just like there are
> good and bad reels.

nd some of those bad hornpipes are bad reels as well;-)



> Just because something is played faster and
> rounder doesn't mean there's "a lack of musicality" or lack of
> expression, it just means the expression is more subtle.

Just to clarify, that was the original poster's statement, not mine.

>
>     So if you want to argue about modern horpipes being true to the
> form set out by tunes like "Jackie Tar" or "The Londenderry Hornpipe"
> then no one will argue with you; they're undeniably a different sort of
> tune.

Perhaps a differnt nomencalture is called for then.


> But you can't tell me that a tune like "Donald MacLeod" (J.A.
> Barrie) "Duncan Jonstone" (Donald MacLeod) or "Dr. MacGinnes's Fancy"
> aren't just as musical and just as beautiful as a dum-dee-dum jaunty
> dance horpipe.

I wouldn't dream of it. I just think we should refer to them as 8 bar
reels.


> And if you've ever taken the time to actually learn and
> play a few of them you'll realize that there's much more to the
> challenge of playing one of these tunes than playing "a big jumble of
> notes played very round at breakneck speed."

True,  and don't assume I haven't taken the time to do so.  I happen to
prefer the rocking, rolling, Jaunty, as you call it feel of a traditional
hornpipe. More challenging does not necessarily make for more musically
satisfying, IMHO.


> Anyway, there's my two
> cents on the issue.  Cheers,
>
>                                                     Alex
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.


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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 23 Mar 2000 02:37:05 GMT

>You'll learn quickly that it isn't a
>substitute for learning how to tune without it.

You can tune to about any mainstream chanter note.  I like D better than E
because it doesn't drop so flat with the bottom hand off.  HiA works too.
Assuming your chanter is set up correctly.

Zu

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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 21:58:19 -0700

Here we go again......

madman wrote:

> ferraridrones wrote:
> >
> >
> > By the way, I'm not Don Smith...
> Sure and I'm not David Michael Atherton,sure buddy.
> ******Pray who the hell are you then?  Here I will spell this out for you
> again. I am Don Smith ....NOT  Ian (ferraridones). We live in different
> towns, have different houses, have differnet wives, are different hights. I
> have blonde hair, he has black hair, He is tall I am short,  His wife is
> blonde, my wife is a red head. I drive a truck, he drives a BMW. I have 2
> boys, he has 1 girl. I play in one band, he plays in a differnet band. Are
> you getting this????? We wear different kilts. I play in grade II He is an
> open piper. He was born in Australia, I was born in the U.S. I have been on
> this list under my own name for a long long time, He  is new to the list,
> etc, etc, etc, etc.......If you don't get this, you are a very confused
> man.

>  >just a blocke who likes a little
> > fun...
> ..At the expense of neophyte pipers looking for a bargain.
>
> > Alistair, I apologize... the info given to me was in the end a joke
> > pulled on me... hope it didn't do you any harm. Last time I write
> > without checking facts first.
> Little too little ,little too late.
> The real harm is done to your customers....but you know that.
> Ever see a pissed-off Gold Medallist?
> It ain't a pretty sight.
> >
> > Just remember guys... others out there think that we who post are worse
> > than we really are...
> Here come the violins...
>  many have mentioned that threds like this one
> > bring piping down...
> Bad pipes bring piping down...but you know that first hand.
> > and after reading back through the posts lately...
> (waxing philosophical..WOW!)
> > I agree... the last thing we all need to do is give piping a bad rep.
> he he...you're the bad rep.,...as in rep. of Booths.
> The best thing you could do is shut-up and take it on the chin,instead
> of
> inviting redress.
> > We have an opportunity to help each other grow,
> I'm already a grown man...6'1", and 215 lbs.
> > discuss issues with
> > civil heads... and take the time to think...
> Is that what I smell?
> Stop thinking so much...it ain't working.
> Don't back-peddle yourself to death here.
>
>  >I for one want to thank
> > everyone for imparting their knowledge...
> Pucker,pucker...
> > even if they have only been
> > playing a wee while... we can always learn from the newbies... lets not
> > scare them off all the time. Think about it. My apologies to anyone I
> > may have offended... that was not my intent.
> >
>
> Your intent was to shamelessly pimp your wares.
> Just remember,before you can pimp a good product...you'll need to *have*
> a
> good product.
> You've done neither one Mr. Yugodrones.

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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 22 Mar 2000 22:07:18 -0700

Man, you are really loosing it.

Don- the not the ferreridrones (can't even spell it) guy.  Be nice or you
won't have any friends ;-)

madman wrote:

> ccc31807 wrote:
> >
> > This is real silly, this pissing contest between aficianados of
> > these brands of pipes.
> Your posts are silly.
> >
> > It's true, to a large extent that the piper makes the pipe. If
> > all pipers were identical then we might be able to detect some
> > differences between makes of pipes. But they are not, and we
> > can't.
> Who is "we".
> You and Ferraridrones?
> Tell that crap to the guy whose pipes are evaporating before his eyes
> because they were made of Striped friggin Ebony.
> Tell that crap to the guy who has to wrap miles of hemp
> around his "pipes" ,because every mount,every ferrule,.every bush,every
> accoutrement
> has fallen off his pipe.
> Tell that crap to the guy who can't find a reed to go in his bass drone
> because the maker put a bush in it the size of the Holland Tunnel.
> Tell that to the guy who thought he was getting a bargain on a
> so-called "good" set of pipes and then ends up
> spending hundreds of dollars on repair work just to make the drones go
> toot.
> Tell that crap to anyone than myself,.....I know better,and I've written
> volumes
> on it....but you know that.
>
> > plays a Paki pipe, and a lower grade (not competitive yet) plays
> > a set of Naills, and the Naills sound like crap while you would
> > swear the Pakis were made of gold.
> You've got a lot to learn.
> You couldn't even get the Pakis to tune above 450 Hz.
> ..and thats assuming you get a good set of Pakis...
> ..you know the ones with bores that go *thru* the wood.
> >
> > On this one, I would have to side with Mark Lee. Krons
> > potentially can sound very good or very bad depending on who is
> > playing them,
> Duh...you're a master of the tautology.
> > and it's just plain silly to say that *all* pipes
> > of a particular maker are terrible.
> ..and its even more silly to say that Naills and Pakis can be made to
> sound alike.
> Heres .025 cents..buy a clue.
> JUst don't buy a shitty bagpipe.

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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 22 Mar 2000 22:11:27 -0700

Psycho ....

Don- the not the Ferraridrones guy (found it on the spell check)

madman wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> >  has to do with the fact that s/he's a lying little piss-
> > ant.
> >
> > Mark
> >
>
> "lying little piss-ant",
> Gaelic for "Booth Pimp".

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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 23 Mar 2000 05:12:10 GMT

Zudupiper wrote:
> You can tune to about any mainstream chanter note.  I like D better than E
> because it doesn't drop so flat with the bottom hand off.  HiA works


I'm not an expert in harmonics or anything, but my understanding is that
after tuning to A (the first choice), the second choice would be E
because there's some wave business that goes on with a third (?) "level"
(whatever) harmonic that kicks in on E that doesn't occur as soon with
the other notes.

(Geez. I should have taken some music class in school . . . )

Andrew
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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 22:20:06 -0700

He is NOT a dealer, he just likes Booth pipes!!

Don (the not the ferraridrones guy)

Beginnertunes wrote:

> >Well there you have it folks.
> >These "pipes" are so good that the man who deals them and recommends
> >them
> >and swears by them plays.........Hendersons.
>
> Gotta love it... another phony deal-dealer.
> Scotia Aye!
> Bill

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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 13:15:01 -0500

ferraridrones wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Last I heard you were still a wee grade 4 punk without the benefit of
> years of playing experience... i.e: ears that can tell the difference.
At least we all know that Bill Davidson is a REAL person.
Who the fuck is Ian-ferraridrones????????
I think its more like Ian-Yugodrones.
> Stop throwing stones in the glass house... it's still winter. And by
> the way... most of the Krons that are out here sound like they are
> muted... the chanter overwelms the drones,
Thats funny....Ian Macey sure doesn't have a problem with his Krons in
the 78ths.
So we can listen to your worthless opinion....OR
WE can listen to a real live person like Ian Macey.
How about you tell us your REAL name ,address and phone number?????


 >even when playing a nose
> bleed reed.
Don't you mean "nose-blower" Mr. voice of experience?
You don't even have the buzzwords down,and we're supposed to believe
you?

 And why is it that Alisdair Gillies sent the Pink Ivory
> pipes he played at the QM back?
For starters,how bout spelling his name right.
Its...A-L-A-S-D-A-I-R-
Now you really shouldn't have gone there.
I guess you are not aware that Mr. Gillies reads the NG ,eh?
You can email him at [e-mail],and have a chat with him.
He wasn't the least bit pleased with you using him to spread lies.
BOOTH DEALERs...LIARS!!!!!!!!!!
This is comical.

 >Could it be that it is the player that
> makes the pipe?
The player always makes the pipe,oh great seer of all things rhetorical.

> Or could it be that they were only good enough to make
> it through an indoor weekend but not up to snuff for outdoor events?
Funny because Alasdair was literally SWARMED with pipers wanting to know
how
he got that sound at the Queen Mary.
And again..Iain Macey sure has no trouble with his Krons,...but he
doesn't sell
Booth pipes either.
He sells quality gear....that doesn't implode.


> The experience we have had with Kron pipes here is that they are for
> solo playing indoors. That might be great if you never compete, but in
> the real world, most of us have to play outdoors,
In the REAL WORLD Gillies would beat you within an inch of your life for
lying on him.
Army guys don't put up with a lot of Bullshit.

>and in groups
Reminds me of a group of chimps I observed at the Bronx Zoo,
all jerking each other off furiously.
>at
> times where you need to be heard and where the sound has to carry.
slurp,slurp,slop,slop

> Give
> me a set of Booth's anyday, with their great Henderson sound... now
> that's a pipe. I know that there aren't any great pipers on Booth
> yet...
(never will be,most guys at a minimum want a set that doesn't
self-destruct,and
African Blackwood too)

> but ask any of the dealers around the country that are trying to
> compete with Booth pipes and they will all say the same thing... "they
> are great pipes... and no I can't match the package price on any of the
> AB pipes I sell..."
I can walk into Little Caesars and plop down 10 bucks and walk out with
4 gargantuan size pizzas,6 gallons of coca-cola,4 boxes of cheesy bread,
and a toy for the dog...but guess what...three hours later my assholes
on fire
and the Pizza tastes like hammered Dog-Shit.
If that shit you're pimping was so great you'd name your price...and
you'd get it.
Too bad you can't.
Any person with a brain is going to stop and wonder how the fuck you can
sell a
set of REAL African Blackwood bagpipes,for that low of a price and still
manage to give away 200 dollars worth of crap and still make a profit.
Its really easy to do.....just don't use African Blackwood...use striped
Ebony,
and give the customer a good line of Bullshit.
"Och lad,thats a fine set of pipes...as long as you never play them"


 > Have I set myself up for attack... sure have...
> come play against me anytime...
First you'll have to tell all of us who you really are, Mr. Yugodrones.

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Steadiness and Reed Efficiency
Date: 23 Mar 2000 02:44:04 GMT

>I have a vacuum cleaner that , when reversed, blows awesome tone. If you play
>Wygents (and this is only a guess having not heard your pipes) you may not
>know
>what tone is.

Aw, don't go dissing Wygents.  They're the best reedbodies on the market.  I'm
getting some good tone out of mine...all you have to do is change the screw,
tongue, bridle and add some hemp.  You know, basic reed manipulation ; )

Zu

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From: ccc31807 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 19 Mar 2000 17:00:16 -0800

In article <38d5043e$1_2@127.0.0.1>, "John Mitchell"
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>Tell you what Charlie, you go to all the boring wedding and
funeral
>ceremonies,
>and I'll attend all of the games and festivals.
>
>Do you still feel like a winner now?

Tell you what, Johnny boy, you pay to play all you want, and
I'll play to be paid, and we'll both be happy!

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From: krystyl schaffer-clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-shirt slogan contest
Date: 20 Mar 2000 01:06:34 GMT

ARE THESE SHIRTS GOING TO BE MADE AN IF SO HOW DO I GET ONE AN HOW MUCH
?????

Rojo2G wrote:

> >Suggestions?  The floor is open.
>
> My parents went to Scotland
> and all I got was this bagpipe!
>
> ?
> Its been a slow day


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From: "wendyforbes" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 22 Mar 2000 19:31:42 -0000

test
ccc31807 wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>This is real silly, this pissing contest between aficianados of
>these brands of pipes.
>
>It's true, to a large extent that the piper makes the pipe. If
>all pipers were identical then we might be able to detect some
>differences between makes of pipes. But they are not, and we
>can't.
>
>Time for a little thought experiment. Take two thousand pipers,
>not great ones but not lousy ones either, outfit one thousand
>with Booths and the other with Krons (and to go back to an
>earlier silly thread, outfit a third with Gibsons), turn them
>loose for a couple of years, and then have a listen. Mix the
>thousands thgether, have them play individually before a
>thousand judges, blind so the looks wouldn't give it away, and
>have the thousand judges guess the particular make of pipe.
>
>My guess as to the result? Half or less of the judges would be
>able to identify the make of pipe the individual is playing.
>Reason? The individual differences in setup, maintenance, and
>and playing would far outweigh any differences in the sound of
>the pipe. Basis for my opinion? An upper grade piper I know
>plays a Paki pipe, and a lower grade (not competitive yet) plays
>a set of Naills, and the Naills sound like crap while you would
>swear the Pakis were made of gold.
>
>On this one, I would have to side with Mark Lee. Krons
>potentially can sound very good or very bad depending on who is
>playing them, and it's just plain silly to say that *all* pipes
>of a particular maker are terrible.
>
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From: ferraridrones <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 23 Mar 2000 00:06:56 -0800

Hey Dave,

Sense you can't get it straight... and never will... I'm not Don... and
you owe him an apology... and as for ever wanting to do business with
you... too bad... my father was about to send a set of Lawrie's @1918
and my Henderson's for you to repair... now neither of us will get the
privilage of working together.

In the last post I was wanting to get away from the abusive nature you
guys enjoy too much. Obviously your heart (Dave) is on your shirt
sleeve and  it gets bruised far too easily... sorry to offend you...
but unless you tame your ways... I will not be asking any of my
students to consider your pipes... even if they are the best made on
the planet.

As to revealing myself... I've already done that... you will just have
to look back through the posts... way back... stuff with real
substance... not this dribble.

Slaite,

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From: "Chris Eyre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: "UNKNOWN"PIOBAIREACHDS
Date: 23 Mar 2000 08:57:57 -0000

John,
I have put an X by all the titles in your list which also appear in General
Thomason's Book.

Chris Eyre


JOHN BROADWELL <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:QLcC4.103$[e-mail]...
> There are thirty one Piobaireachds composed by John Grant, the first Army
> instructor at Edinburgh Castle, listed in his book "Piobaireachd : it's
> Origin and Construction" published in 1915, most of the titles of which I
> have never ever come cross, does anyone know where they are published????
>
> There are also other tune titles by other composers I have never come
across
> before, these other titles are as follows : -
>
> Berisdale's Salute X
> Black Watch's salute X
> Laird of Borlum's Salute X
> (is this the same tune as MacKintosh of Borlum's Salute?)
>
> Salute to G. Campbell of Calder
> Castle Menzies Salute X
> Salute to John Ciar  X
> Lady Doyle's salute  X
> Elchies or "Macnab's Salute" X
> Inverary Salute
> Kinlochmoidart's Salute X
> Laggan Salute  X
> Lochiel's Salute or "Away with your Tribe Ewen" X (Away TO .....)
> MacDonald of the Isles Salute X
> The MacDougall's Salute X
> MacKenzie of Gairloch's Salute  X
> MacLeod of Gesto's Salute  X
> Roderick More MacLeods Salute (sic)
> (Possibly "Salute on the Birth of Rory Mhor Macleod") X
>
> Pipers Salute to his master X
>
> General Thomason's Salute X
> Miss Mabel Thomason's Salute  X
> (I think these two tune's inclusion proves my point about newish
> compositions being included)




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From: Paul Gretton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: "UNKNOWN"PIOBAIREACHDS
Date: 23 Mar 2000 10:21:28 -0800

JOHN BROADWELL wrote:
>
> There are thirty one Piobaireachds composed by John Grant, the first Army
> instructor at Edinburgh Castle, listed in his book "Piobaireachd : it's
> Origin and Construction" published in 1915, most of the titles of which I
> have never ever come cross, does anyone know where they are published????
>
> There are also other tune titles by other composers I have never come across
> before, these other titles are as follows : -
>
> Berisdale's Salute
> Black Watch's salute
> Laird of Borlum's Salute
> (is this the same tune as MacKintosh of Borlum's Salute?)
>
> Salute to G. Campbell of Calder
> Castle Menzies Salute
> Salute to John Ciar
> Lady Doyle's salute
> Elchies or "Macnab's Salute"
> Inverary Salute
> Kinlochmoidart's Salute
> Laggan Salute
> Lochiel's Salute or "Away with your Tribe Ewen"
> MacDonald of the Isles Salute
> The MacDougall's Salute
> MacKenzie of Gairloch's Salute
> MacLeod of Gesto's Salute
> Roderick More MacLeods Salute (sic)
> (Possibly "Salute on the Birth of Rory Mhor Macleod")
>
> Pipers Salute to his master
>
> General Thomason's Salute
> Miss Mabel Thomason's Salute
> (I think these two tune's inclusion proves my point about newish
> compositions being included)
>
> ad infinitum/nauseum
>
> Those listed above are just a few from his list of salutes.
> I would be quite interested to hear from someone with a copy of General
> Thomason's  book to see if any of these tunes cross reference with that
> work, the problem as I see it is that Grant included his own tunes in the
> list and by implication probably included other contemporarily composed
> tunes. However, all the old standards are also there.
>
> Other categories which he lists, in which the same process can be observed
> are : -
>
> Welcome's
> Laments
> Farewells
> Gatherings
> Marches or Challenges
> Battle tunes
> Warnings
> Nameless
> Miscellaneous
>
> Any comments or enlightenment would be gratefully received.
>
> Slainte
>
> John B




What you need is Bob Pekaar's "Encyclopedia of Tunes for the GHB"! The first three you
mention are listed as being in Thomason's collection. I don't have time to go through
the whole list.

I have a copy of Grant's own collection ("The Royal Collection of Piobaireachd",
Edinburgh 1908). This contains the following tunes, all by Grant himself:

King Edward VII Salute
Duke of Connaught's Salute
Lament for Queen Victoria
Duke of Fife's Salute
Lord Archibald Campbell's Salute
Piobaireachd society's Salute.


Cheers,



Cheers,

Paul Gretton

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From: Paul Gretton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: "UNKNOWN"PIOBAIREACHDS
Date: 23 Mar 2000 10:22:57 -0800

JOHN BROADWELL wrote:
>
> There are thirty one Piobaireachds composed by John Grant, the first Army
> instructor at Edinburgh Castle, listed in his book "Piobaireachd : it's
> Origin and Construction" published in 1915, most of the titles of which I
> have never ever come cross, does anyone know where they are published????
>
> There are also other tune titles by other composers I have never come across
> before, these other titles are as follows : -
>
> Berisdale's Salute
> Black Watch's salute
> Laird of Borlum's Salute
> (is this the same tune as MacKintosh of Borlum's Salute?)
>
> Salute to G. Campbell of Calder
> Castle Menzies Salute
> Salute to John Ciar
> Lady Doyle's salute
> Elchies or "Macnab's Salute"
> Inverary Salute
> Kinlochmoidart's Salute
> Laggan Salute
> Lochiel's Salute or "Away with your Tribe Ewen"
> MacDonald of the Isles Salute
> The MacDougall's Salute
> MacKenzie of Gairloch's Salute
> MacLeod of Gesto's Salute
> Roderick More MacLeods Salute (sic)
> (Possibly "Salute on the Birth of Rory Mhor Macleod")
>
> Pipers Salute to his master
>
> General Thomason's Salute
> Miss Mabel Thomason's Salute
> (I think these two tune's inclusion proves my point about newish
> compositions being included)
>
> ad infinitum/nauseum
>
> Those listed above are just a few from his list of salutes.
> I would be quite interested to hear from someone with a copy of General
> Thomason's  book to see if any of these tunes cross reference with that
> work, the problem as I see it is that Grant included his own tunes in the
> list and by implication probably included other contemporarily composed
> tunes. However, all the old standards are also there.
>
> Other categories which he lists, in which the same process can be observed
> are : -
>
> Welcome's
> Laments
> Farewells
> Gatherings
> Marches or Challenges
> Battle tunes
> Warnings
> Nameless
> Miscellaneous
>
> Any comments or enlightenment would be gratefully received.
>
> Slainte
>
> John B

JOHN BROADWELL wrote:
>
> There are thirty one Piobaireachds composed by John Grant, the first Army
> instructor at Edinburgh Castle, listed in his book "Piobaireachd : it's
> Origin and Construction" published in 1915, most of the titles of which I
> have never ever come cross, does anyone know where they are published????
>
> There are also other tune titles by other composers I have never come across
> before, these other titles are as follows : -
>
> Berisdale's Salute
> Black Watch's salute
> Laird of Borlum's Salute
> (is this the same tune as MacKintosh of Borlum's Salute?)
>
> Salute to G. Campbell of Calder
> Castle Menzies Salute
> Salute to John Ciar
> Lady Doyle's salute
> Elchies or "Macnab's Salute"
> Inverary Salute
> Kinlochmoidart's Salute
> Laggan Salute
> Lochiel's Salute or "Away with your Tribe Ewen"
> MacDonald of the Isles Salute
> The MacDougall's Salute
> MacKenzie of Gairloch's Salute
> MacLeod of Gesto's Salute
> Roderick More MacLeods Salute (sic)
> (Possibly "Salute on the Birth of Rory Mhor Macleod")
>
> Pipers Salute to his master
>
> General Thomason's Salute
> Miss Mabel Thomason's Salute
> (I think these two tune's inclusion proves my point about newish
> compositions being included)
>
> ad infinitum/nauseum
>
> Those listed above are just a few from his list of salutes.
> I would be quite interested to hear from someone with a copy of General
> Thomason's  book to see if any of these tunes cross reference with that
> work, the problem as I see it is that Grant included his own tunes in the
> list and by implication probably included other contemporarily composed
> tunes. However, all the old standards are also there.
>
> Other categories which he lists, in which the same process can be observed
> are : -
>
> Welcome's
> Laments
> Farewells
> Gatherings
> Marches or Challenges
> Battle tunes
> Warnings
> Nameless
> Miscellaneous
>
> Any comments or enlightenment would be gratefully received.
>
> Slainte
>
> John B

What you need is Bob Pekaar's "Encyclopedia of Tunes for the GHB"! The first three you
mention are listed as being in Thomason's collection. I don't have time to go through
the whole list.

I have a copy of Grant's own collection ("The Royal Collection of Piobaireachd",
Edinburgh 1908). This contains the following tunes, all by Grant himself:

King Edward VII Salute
Duke of Connaught's Salute
Lament for Queen Victoria
Duke of Fife's Salute
Lord Archibald Campbell's Salute
Piobaireachd society's Salute.

Cheers,

Paul Gretton

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cigar Tubes
Date: 20 Mar 2000 01:29:50 GMT

>So let me get this straight. You stuck these things in the end of the
>drones where you'd normally plug them up with corks on the very top end
>right?

No, I wasn't clear about that.  I inserted the cigar tubes into the drone
STOCKS.  The Garcia & Vega tubes I had are a perfect fit into the Dunbar
plastic drones but are too big for the Krons.

I think for the Krons you'd need to step down to a Panatela (the kind that
comes in a blue-green tube).

The tubes extend down past the end of the stocks by about a half inch or so
into the bag, which makes it handy to remove them, but also makes strikeins
more of an exact science.

Picture this.  Take a drone (any one) out of the stock, keep the reed attached
to it, and insert a cigar tube over the reed (sort of like a condom).  Hold
tight to the place where the cigar tube meets the end of the drone (they're
about the same size, so make aure you get a good seal) and blow through the
cigar tube.  It works.  There is a slight difference in tone.

not so much of an air savings as an increase in steadiness.

>Wouldn't this reduce the sound volume?

Actually, it does a wee bit.  But the Dunbars were annoyingly loud to begin
with, and now they're just about right.

So right, in fact, that I think I'm going to compete with those pipes at Loch
Norman.  I'm doing that at the start of a 10-day vacation and I really don't
want to have to worry about traveling with my good pipes.  I'll be using my
"real" chanter, though, instead of the plastic WarMac...

>Zu, you're pulling everyone's leg aren't you?

I can see why you'd think so, but no.  Not this time.  however, beware of
whatever I post on or about 4/1. ; )

>"I found that if you take a red button (the kind with four holes) and
>tape it to the slider inside the drone

No, that only works on Paki drones....

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 23 Mar 2000 10:10:47 GMT

>Once more to point out what an idiot you are.

Well I'll make one more point to show how totally absurd, comical,and deaf you
are. Here's a quote from you: "Booths sound like a sweet set of vintage
Hendersons."
Here's everyones (especially grade2 or higher players) reaction to your
comments: MUHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA!
Please sober up, or let the hullucinogens wear off before posting here and
making a bigger fool of yourself than you already have with ridiculous claims
like that Don. You seem like a pretty good guy most of the time you've been on
here,  so I'll just ignore your previous comments, and chalk them up to a brain
lesion.
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 23 Mar 2000 10:16:54 GMT

>so you won't be hearing from me again.

Threat or promise?  ;?)

Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cane Drone Reeds
Date: 23 Mar 2000 10:20:49 GMT

>They last for months.

A good set of drone reeds should last YEARS, not months...
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: reccomendations on Blackwood P/Cs
Date: 23 Mar 2000 10:30:10 GMT

>It *may* be *as-good*,but it definitely ain't better,and I'll beat your
>price.
>
>(and I'll make mine with elephant ivory or mammoth ivory or walrus
>ivory,
>and so much engraved SS,you'll be arrested for impersonating a New
>Orleans pimp)

If I wasn't starving myself to save cash for rockets, I'd take you up on that
myself!!!!!
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Competition Entry Fees: Solos
Date: 23 Mar 2000 10:27:29 GMT

>Yeah, I guess I'm just the Andy Rooney of the NG.
>
>Zu

No Dave your not, and I'm not trying to piss you off, but those are the facts.
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time
Date: 23 Mar 2000 10:40:23 GMT

>2.5 sets

Is the .5 set the Pakis? LOL
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time
Date: 23 Mar 2000 10:48:49 GMT

1 set of pipes,
drone reeds are syntezutongued, and one set of cane.
Three chanters, 1 Kron AB, 1 plastic Warmac (band), 1 plastic Dunbar.
10 rubber stoppers,1 chunk of maxwax (kept in my safe) 2 Lil macs, 1 extra
flapper valve, 2 rolls of hemp, 1 roll of Teflon, 1 set of needlenose pliers, 1
piece of hemp 3 3/8 long, 1 piece 6 7/8, 1 piece 14.5", 3 dust bunnies in the
corners.
Very old handmade case

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From: "Richard Wilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Cracked stocks
Date: 23 Mar 2000 18:51:33 +0800

I have a (very) small little crack in the inner ring of wood in my base
drone stock. You can see the crack when looking down through the stock to
the other side, but as yet it doesn't look as though it's extended any
further down than a couple of millimetres. Since the band competition season
in Western Australia is nearly finished, I'm wondering what would be the
best course of action to take.

I can get a new stock to be made, as the dealer is very good at standing by
his product. But if I can avoid it, I don't want to do anything as drastic
as that. Will oiling help? And, more importantly, how do I stop  the crack
from growing?

Cheers,

Rich
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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: New vs Old chanters for Piobaireachd
Date: 20 Mar 2000 01:59:53 GMT

>I consider my pitch really flat when the
>tuning
>position has moved up 1/4" on the tuning pin, and that's with any chanter.
>If your's is going up by 1 1/2",

There's a TON of variables to consider here.  Tuning-pin-position by itself is
NOT an indicator of much of anything, and only a gross indicator of relative
pitch.  you have to look at the whole drone/reed system.

Tuning pin position depends on lots of things....pressure, tone, reed
configuration to name a few.

My drone tops tune at 1/8"-1/4" above the hemp line for the tenors.  That's on
my favorite set of pipes at modern pitch.  The casual observer can see that,
but he can't see what's buried in my drone stocks.

What I play for reeds looks ludicrous, but sounds great.  They're retongued
Wygents with an overhemped reedseat end to get about another 1/4" tuning room,
and a ridiculous red stove bolt that extends on the other end anywhere from 1"
to 1.75".  So my reeds are effectively 2" (minimum) longer than off-the-shelf
Wygents.

If they weren't, the drone tops would have to tune somewhere in the ionosphere.

I decide where I want my drone tops to tune, and then finagle the reed
configuration to achieve that.

That's what it sounds like the original poster needs to do...make a couple sets
of extender tubes and attach whichever one works best with the particular
chanter in use at the time.

For myself, I notice a BIG tonal difference in a 1/4" delta position on the
drone tops.  A 1.5" delta is the equivalent of the whole hempage on the pins.

There are many other ways to skin a cat.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (TomandSuny)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cracked stocks
Date: 23 Mar 2000 12:35:04 GMT

>I have a (very) small little crack in the inner ring of wood in my base
>drone stock. You can see the crack when looking down through the stock to
>the other side, but as yet it doesn't look as though it's extended any
>further down...

I would NOT recommend oiling the wood. Bore oil should always be used on a
regular basis in small quentities as a wood  conditionar. Occasional use could
actually cause cracking!

With a small crack of finite length, I would try brushing it with a clear fast
drying nail polish. Be sure to extend the polish all the way down the crack.
More is better in this case and fast drying polish is the best to use. Make
sure you use clear polish so you can continue to watch the crack should it
grow.

Once a crack starts, it is very difficult to predict growth. Keep the wood
stable, that is, stay away from extreme temperature shifts, humidity shifts or
undue stress (say from expanding hemp). Cracks usually normalize to their
environment quickly and stop growing provided they have a stable environment.

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From: "Matt Buckley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 23 Mar 2000 07:59:23 -0500



ccc31807 <[e-mail]> wrote


> I only tried to bring some perspective and sanity to the ng

But not without a fair dose of sarcasm, insult and,
on occasion, arrogance.  I know, because I have to
watch my tendency to do the same thing.  I carefully
read my posts, and even then, language slips by which I later regret.  Your
posts are valuable, well worth reading, and I, for one, would like to see
you stick around.  Try posting for a while with a little more care.  Leave
the insults and crap to Royce, Ryan, Don, et.al.

Matt

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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time
Date: 23 Mar 2000 07:43:42 -0500

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:37:59 -0500, "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> ... 'Fess up all!!!! How many sets of pipes, chanters, etc. do we
> all have laying around and why???

Hmm, quick mental inventory of the combined goods here ...

Bagpipes:
1 set of MacLellan cocabola / silver / satinwood pipes, 2000
1 set of 1910 MacDougall ebony / ivory pipes, 1910
1 set of 1972 Grainger & Campbell blackwood / ivory pipes, 1972
1 set of Kintail blackwood / imitation ivory pipes, 1990
1 set of Walsh shuttle pipes (two-drone), 1999
1 set of Gibson rosewood fireside pipes, 1995
1 set of Shepherd D smallpipes, 1997

Chanters:
1 Kron blackwood chanter, 2000
2 Kron phenolic chanters, 2000
1 Kron delrin chanter, 2000
1 MacLellan blackwood chanter, silver sole, 2000
1 Sinclair blackwood chanter, 1985
1 Gibson blackwood chanter, 1997
1 McCallum polypenco chanter, 2000
2 Shepherd Mark 2 polypenco chanters, 1993
1 Naill blackwood chanter, 2000
1 Kintail polypenco chanter, imit ivory sole, 1990
1 Grainger & Campbell blackwood chanter, imit ivory sole, 1972
1 Naill blackwood chanter, imit ivory sole, 1988
1 Hardie blackwood chanter, imit ivory sole, 1970s

Practice Chanters:
1 Gibson rosewood PC, 1995
1 Kron blackwood / silver / ivory PC, 2000
1 McConnell delrin PC, 1976
1 Tuck delrin, 1986
1 Alexander blackwood, date unknown
pieces of others ...

Bags:
3 Gannaway hide bags (medium)
1 Canmore goretex bag (medium)
1 Glennie hide bag (medium)

Guess that's about it ... I love this stuff!

Chris
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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 23 Mar 2000 13:47:22 GMT

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:56:58 -0500, madman <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>Royce Lerwick wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:52:07 -0800, ferraridrones
>> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> >I notice you didn't reply the real issue... you have never played
>> >Booth's, right?..
>>
>> Just for the record, I've played, tuned, set up Booths. Still have at
>> least one set in my present band/or/two somewhere if I can remember
>> who's playing them. They do indeed have that stock Henderson-knock-off
>> tone and the workmanship is pretty decent,
>
>You really do have a dry wit.

You have to understand that when you throw them in with the current
pack of makers, Sharp, Shepherd, Gibson, even the newer Naills, the
Booth end up in the middle there somewhere with the Pettigrews and
whatnot. It's a relative standard as far as tone and quality goes.
Everybody in the frigging world for the last 25 years has been
knocking off the Henderson "tone" to one degree of success or another
and that's exactly why piping has become so boring and monotonous.
They all sound alike and they all look alike and they're all made out
of 2nd rate blackwood or stained striped ebony or purple heart died
with shoe polish or whatever they can get away with. So in that
context you can't bitch about either Booth sound or quality.

Your entire perspective is warped because you make absolutely
magnificent pipes and have personal control over every aspect of
production to insure they're up to your own standard. Most people have
no conception of what you're even complaining about most of the time,
so I think you'd better put those disaster pipes up on your site,
because when you see crap that obvious, then even Don Smith can see
what you mean, as even though not *all* pipes are going to be that
bad, the notion that this sort of shoddy work and quality control is
easily projected over the entire line once you see the worst-case
scenario.

Royce


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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 23 Mar 2000 13:54:30 GMT

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:03:47 -0900, Michael New & Diane Rossmiller
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Royce Lerwick wrote:
>
>> Bill Livingstone hasn't been on the prize list a while you know. Cusak
>> and Gillies have you know. Maybe there's a reason?
>>
>
>Fascinating theory, Royce.
>
>Let's consider a couple of equally likely explanations...
>
>    1.  Bill Livingstone is a ... CANADIAN!!!!!  Alasdair Gillies and Mike
>Cusack are...NOT CANADIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>    2.  Bill Livingstone has a surname which consists of 3
>SYLLABLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Cusack and Gillies both have _LESS_ than 3
>syllables in their surnames!!!!!!!!
>
>I think the implications are obvious (well, at least as obvious as your
>conclusion...)
>
>Yours in the spirit of scientific inquiry,
>
>Michael

Hi. Let's examine your logic:

First you claim I have a theory. This is untrue. I've stated a simple
fact. IE: Bill Livingstone isn't on the prize lists lately, there must
be a reason. That's not a theory, it's an accepted condition of
reality. The proposal that there must be a reason is self-evident and
logically infallible. Your implication that he's off the lists lately
because there is *no* reason is fallacious. If the condition existed
previously that he was on the prize lists, and then the condition
changes that he is *not* on the prize lists, there indeed, *must*
logically be a reason.

Second, Bill Livingstone is indeed playing rockets and indeed the only
reason for changing reeds, certainly the rockets, is to alter the tone
of his current drone, which we've agreed is Henderson. As Mark is not
a fan of the Henderson air raid siren bass, and as Mark's reeds are
inherently designed to temper this, we must conclude that Bill
Livingstone consciously or otherwise is looking for and found a way in
which to make his Hendersons sound less stereotypically Henderson.


Third, cocoanuts are round and covered with hair. Your head is round
and covered with hair. Therefore, your head is a cocoanut.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: First parade notes, or a funny thing happened to me at the parade today.
Date: 20 Mar 2000 02:33:53 GMT

>I bet you if it were summertime, she'd still have to take
>a closer look to find it. HeHehe!

HEY! Watch it Mitchell  ;?)
Scotia Aye!
Bill
What do playing the bagpipes, and throwing a Javelin while blindfolded have in
common?
You don't have to be good at either one to get peoples attention!

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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Band Chanters
Date: 23 Mar 2000 09:30:51 -0400

Has your Grade 3/4 band bought new chanters in the past year or 18 months ?

If so, can I "borrow" some of your research experiences ?

looking at 20 to 24 matched units.........

What options did you look at  ?.........
What did you buy  ?........ and why ?
Are you happy with them  ?........
Source  ?......... approx price  ?......approx delivery time  ?

thanks in advance

David




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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 23 Mar 2000 09:35:14 -0400


dnimmo wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>
>Firdude391 wrote in message
><[e-mail]>...
>>Can anyone tell me what a pipers third hand is and what does it do? Thanks
>
>It is a moulded piece of soft plastic...a plastic cover, that you can slide
>onto your chanter at the bottom end and cover all the holes normally
covered
>by your right hand.
>
>It allows you to blow a high A .....etc....

Oops.....a slow day for me............should reed low A, not Hi A ! !

there it is I'm unmasked  !.......stooopid

David
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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 23 Mar 2000 14:08:14 GMT

On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:27:15 -0500, Chris Hamilton
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>Yo what up homes?

He be da man. He be phat, fresh, def, and happenin.

Royce

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 23 Mar 2000 14:05:01 GMT

On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:06:56 -0800, ferraridrones
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Hey Dave,
>
>Sense you can't get it straight... and never will... I'm not Don... and
>you owe him an apology... and as for ever wanting to do business with
>you... too bad... my father was about to send a set of Lawrie's @1918
>and my Henderson's for you to repair... now neither of us will get the
>privilage of working together.

You guys really aren't getting this Dave Atherton thing. Dave is the
single greatest lathe man in the piping universe. You really can
compare his work to the Glens and Hendersons and Robertsons and
Lawries et al. This is no BS, and he's so busy the fact is he's doing
you a favor taking on those classic restorations. You guys are so
damned busy reminiscing about the "great" pipe makers of the past
you've got no perspective on what's going on right in front of you
here and now. If you want to piss and moan about Kron chanter or drone
tone fine. There's no accounting for taste. The workmanship and
particularly the workmanship of the Kron restorations is in a
singularly notable category that you simply cannot find at all in any
other maker on either side of the pond.

So when you say, "I was going to send...I was going to buy...I was
going to let you..." you'll get and deserve the same sort of reply
you'd get from a major fashion designer or artist when you suggest his
arrogant attitude has cost him some piddly commission for a coming-out
gown or a portrait of your daughter in her prom dress.

Royce

And, basically, Dave's going broke essentially doing people favors in
the price department, again, particularly in restoration work. Like I
keep saying, he's not an asshole. He's a New Yorker. OK, so New
Yorkers are all assholes, but its a cultural model and nothing
personal. (Except when its personal, since New Yorkers tend to make
everything personal.)

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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 23 Mar 2000 14:10:37 GMT

On 23 Mar 2000 07:59:23 -0500, "Matt Buckley" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>But not without a fair dose of sarcasm, insult and,
>on occasion, arrogance.  I know, because I have to
>watch my tendency to do the same thing.  I carefully
>read my posts, and even then, language slips by which I later regret.  Your
>posts are valuable, well worth reading, and I, for one, would like to see
>you stick around.  Try posting for a while with a little more care.  Leave
>the insults and crap to Royce, Ryan, Don, et.al.
>
>Matt

Oh Matt, don't beg. That's just what he wants. You can hear the Romans
pounding in the nails as he types.

Royce

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From: ccc31807 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 23 Mar 2000 06:30:20 -0800

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Royce Lerwick) wrote:
>Oh Matt, don't beg. That's just what he wants. You can hear the
Romans
>pounding in the nails as he types.
>
>Royce

Actually, Royce, I had previously written Matt to tell him that
I had inartfully composed my post, and what I should have said
is that, since DA obviously doesn't respond as a mature,
responsible adult, I will not be treating him as such. Seems he
responds better when treated as a ten year old, which appears to
be his emotional age.

Anyway, I personally don't think he could tell the difference
between a Booth, Gibson, Kron, and Paki set. I will attempt to
gather some recorded samples of these pipes, and put him to the
test. If he can correctly distinguish between the pipes, I will
publicly acknowledge that he really and truly knows what he is
talking about. If he can't, that fact will speak for itself.

BTW, I also plead guilty to sarcasm, insult, and sometimes
arrogance. If you knew me, you would know that I am a sarcastic,
insulting, arrogant SOB, and it gives me great pleasure to see
that this side of me comes through loud and clear.

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From: [e-mail] (Alex Platt)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 23 Mar 2000 14:56:30 GMT

JSLOANPR ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >Can anyone tell me what a pipers third hand is and what does it do? Thanks

: It comes in very handy with the more complex Karma Sutra positions.


No, that's the piper's third leg.

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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 23 Mar 2000 14:43:45 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
ccc31807 <[e-mail]> wrote:

>...I've got better things to do than
> to waste my time on this, so you won't be hearing from me again.

Hey, Triple-C!  Before you leave I just wanted to get you to 2,000.

      How about "whiner"?

Pat


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From: Grahame Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Utah
Date: 23 Mar 2000 07:25:23 -0800

Friends.....

Just going out the door to the airport bound for Provo.

Wanted to wish all who are attending a safe trip and see you at the
Marriot.

Grahame in Tucson (7 Piper's Society)


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From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North American Celti Arts Festival Gimme My Tickets!
Date: 23 Mar 2000 14:12:27 GMT

On 23 Mar 2000 03:44:49 GMT, [e-mail] (MMorgan634) wrote:

>Royce,
>    The offer for scotch in the hottub is still open.  Let me know.
>Marilyn

I'll be semi-abandoned at the airport around 4:00 and I have to get to
provo for that concert. From there on, I have no clue what I'm doing
or how to get back. Great planning eh? I'm trying to be spontaneous.

Royce

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From: "Matt Buckley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: First parade notes, or a funny thing happened to me at the parade today.
Date: 20 Mar 2000 08:02:04 -0500



Beginnertunes <[e-mail]> wrote

> Well I finally got my chance to march today in one of the largest parades
in
> the country

> and I see two brawl lassies approaching me


Hey Bill, I've never met any of these "brawl" lassies.  Were they, like,
members of the WWF looking for a fight?

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From: Eric Eccleston <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Highland P/C recommendation?
Date: 23 Mar 2000 08:25:02 -0700

Hi,

Now I'm looking for recommendations for a new PC.  My current one is an
old plastic piece of junk, and I need to upgrade.  Every time I've ever
taken a lesson, I've gotten a grimace from the instructor about my PC,
and a statement to the effect that "you have GOT to get a new practice
chanter."  And I will say that the sound and feel of it is horrible.  I
can't remember the brand, but it's well known as being bad.  Anyway, I'm
really still a beginner, I've been a musician for many years, and I'm
serious about learning the bagpipes.  But I need some advice,
specifically concerning standard versus long PCs.  And what about
brand/quality/cost tradeoffs?  Thanks again.

Eric

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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 23 Mar 2000 10:45:34 -0500

Chris Hamilton wrote:
> Yo what up homes?
>

"I'm a complicated man,and no understands me 'cept my woman"
(wacka,wacka,wacka)

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From: kingfisher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Highland P/C recommendation?
Date: 23 Mar 2000 10:48:35 -0500

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
Get a long P/C. There are many good brands out there. I like my Naill long
plastic P/C. Paul Poole's aluminum P/C is good also, but little too heavy.
I think long P/C has helped me with fingering, but I also know that some
people doesn't feel much difference as to using long or regular size P/C
when it comes to playing real set of pipes..
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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: CD recommendations for learner?
Date: 23 Mar 2000 11:00:01 -0500

the 48th are still in existance- it's a Canadianreserve outfit- not at all
related to the amalgamations which have happened in the UK. Y Thery also have
an album "Abide With Me Hymns of Faith" that I recoomend to brides who are
wondering about tunes for a wedding- Highland Cathedral and Rose of Kelvin
Grove aree in it along with several hymns- between those two albums you'll
cover a lot of the standard tunes.

RachelAnne wrote:

> Try the 48th Highlanders of Canada 'Amazing Grace and All-Time
> Bapipe Favorites'.  It's a goofy name but a fantastic cd with
> many traditional tunes.  It was put out before military pipe
> bands were largely RIF'd. Some of the best players came out of
> these bands. I think it was put out in '89, but I'm not sure on
> that one...
>
> RachelAnne
>
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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 23 Mar 2000 11:03:25 -0500

ferraridrones wrote:
>
> Hey Dave,
>
> Sense you can't get it straight... and never will... I'm not Don... and
> you owe him an apology... and as for ever wanting to do business with
> you... too bad... my father was about to send a set of Lawrie's @1918
> and my Henderson's for you to repair... now neither of us will get the
> privilage of working together.

Yes,Mr. Yugodrones,I get this exact crap from nearly every person
I've pissed off in the last 5 years.
Do I care?....NO
Send your pipes elsewhere.
I'm not some desperate salesman who works on commission like you do.


>
> In the last post I was wanting to get away from the abusive nature you
> guys enjoy too much. Obviously your heart (Dave) is on your shirt
> sleeve and  it gets bruised far too easily...
Thanks for the session Sigmund.
Don't forget to bleach your works.

>sorry to offend you...
Better save that apology for Alasdair.
> but unless you tame your ways... I will not be asking any of my
> students to consider your pipes... even if they are the best made on
> the planet.
Yeah man, Screw your pupils to get even with Dave!!!
That'll show em'!

>
> As to revealing myself... I've already done that... you will just have
> to look back through the posts... way back... stuff with real
> substance... not this dribble.
 I'll put the think tank right on it.

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From: Eric Eccleston <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Uilleann pipe questions
Date: 23 Mar 2000 08:12:22 -0700

Hello again,

Just a note of thanks for everyone who e-mailed me with advice,
suggestions, and maker recommendations.  I really appreciate the
thoughts.  I'm about to take the plunge and order a practice set soon.

Eric

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From: Doug Campbell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tuning (was Pipers third hand)
Date: 23 Mar 2000 11:01:51 -0500

Royce wrote a thing a year or so ago about tuning to A only working if your A
is in tune...or E for that matter, or any other note you choose to tune to.
There's no reason to <assume> that your low A is magically correct.  Otherwise
you stand a good chance of carving or taping every hole except that one.  I'm
sure I"ll hear about it if I get the gist wrong, but I think his point was
something like this:  in order to make the least number of adjustments, you
have to find where the preponderance of in-tune notes are, and tape or carve to
meet them.  Seems right to me.

Doug C.



Andrew & Kristen Lenz wrote:

> Zudupiper wrote:
> > You can tune to about any mainstream chanter note.  I like D better than E
> > because it doesn't drop so flat with the bottom hand off.  HiA works
>
> I'm not an expert in harmonics or anything, but my understanding is that
> after tuning to A (the first choice), the second choice would be E
> because there's some wave business that goes on with a third (?) "level"
> (whatever) harmonic that kicks in on E that doesn't occur as soon with
> the other notes.


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From: [e-mail] (Denny Andrews)
Subject: (bagpipe) Wygent Drone Reeds
Date: 20 Mar 2000 12:47:02 GMT

 I am currently playing Wygents. I haven't had any problems until Friday, after
about 4 hrs. of playing (not all at the same time) my tenor drones started
cutting out I have been using these reeds for about 4 years without a problem
        Any Idea's? could the tongues be getting worn out ?
              Any help would be appreciated
                       Thanks,
                          Denny

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From: Doug Campbell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 23 Mar 2000 11:11:17 -0500

For doze of youze in udda parts of da woild, Dobbs Ferry ain't exactly
Flatbush Avenue!

Doug C.

ps  yo Dave: I'll take Lighning Hopkins over Steve Vai anyday!  <ducks>


Royce Lerwick wrote:

>
> And, basically, Dave's going broke essentially doing people favors in
> the price department, again, particularly in restoration work. Like I
> keep saying, he's not an asshole. He's a New Yorker. OK, so New
> Yorkers are all assholes, but its a cultural model and nothing
> personal. (Except when its personal, since New Yorkers tend to make
> everything personal.)


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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 23 Mar 2000 11:27:20 -0500

Royce Lerwick wrote:
>
> On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:27:15 -0500, Chris Hamilton
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >Yo what up homes?
>
> He be da man. He be phat, fresh, def, and happenin.
>
> Royce
man wats dis shit!
You dun bring dis shit up into my crib,all fukked up wit
mounts fallin off and what not.
You mus be a dubble bad ass motherfu--er thinkin i'm gunna
put dat shit on my motherfu--in' lathe and shit.
You gottsta go befo I has ta pimp slap yo bitch ass.
Boo-Yaaaaa

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From: "Gregoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Ross Canister Bag
Date: 23 Mar 2000 09:32:02 -0700

A question for those of you using the Ross Canister Bag. How long did you
need to play your bag before you grew accustom and comfortable with it?

Tod



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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 23 Mar 2000 11:37:27 -0500

Doug Campbell wrote:
>
> For doze of youze in udda parts of da woild, Dobbs Ferry ain't exactly
> Flatbush Avenue!
>
> Doug C.
>
> ps  yo Dave: I'll take Lighning Hopkins over Steve Vai anyday!  <ducks>
>

I was never a big Vai fan before I saw him perform live at the Beacon
Theatre
during the G3 tour.
Best F'n performance you could imagine.
Before that I thought "passion and Warfare" was exceptional,especially
For the Love of God,with that sustaining,creamy, dark tone.
That new CD "the ultra Zone" is tripe.
He's much better playing straight ahead full-tilt shred fests
at warp 7,with his own signature weirdness thrown in for flavor.
(Gotta love those Lydian modes!)

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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 23 Mar 2000 11:55:49 -0500

On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:45:34 -0500, madman <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>Chris Hamilton wrote:
>> Yo what up homes?
>>
>
>"I'm a complicated man,and no understands me 'cept my woman"
>(wacka,wacka,wacka)

He's a baaaaaaaaddddddd mutha ... (watch yo mouth) ... I'm talking
'bout Madman ...

Can you dig it?

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time
Date: 23 Mar 2000 16:58:06 GMT

Oh Great Toneczar, we are not worthy! we are not worthy!

>
> Hmm, quick mental inventory of the combined goods here ...
>
> Bagpipes:
> 1 set of MacLellan cocabola / silver / satinwood pipes, 2000
> 1 set of 1910 MacDougall ebony / ivory pipes, 1910
> 1 set of 1972 Grainger & Campbell blackwood / ivory pipes, 1972
> 1 set of Kintail blackwood / imitation ivory pipes, 1990
> 1 set of Walsh shuttle pipes (two-drone), 1999
> 1 set of Gibson rosewood fireside pipes, 1995
> 1 set of Shepherd D smallpipes, 1997
>
> Chanters:
> 1 Kron blackwood chanter, 2000
> 2 Kron phenolic chanters, 2000
> 1 Kron delrin chanter, 2000
> 1 MacLellan blackwood chanter, silver sole, 2000
> 1 Sinclair blackwood chanter, 1985
> 1 Gibson blackwood chanter, 1997
> 1 McCallum polypenco chanter, 2000
> 2 Shepherd Mark 2 polypenco chanters, 1993
> 1 Naill blackwood chanter, 2000
> 1 Kintail polypenco chanter, imit ivory sole, 1990
> 1 Grainger & Campbell blackwood chanter, imit ivory sole, 1972
> 1 Naill blackwood chanter, imit ivory sole, 1988
> 1 Hardie blackwood chanter, imit ivory sole, 1970s
>
> Practice Chanters:
> 1 Gibson rosewood PC, 1995
> 1 Kron blackwood / silver / ivory PC, 2000
> 1 McConnell delrin PC, 1976
> 1 Tuck delrin, 1986
> 1 Alexander blackwood, date unknown
> pieces of others ...
>
> Bags:
> 3 Gannaway hide bags (medium)
> 1 Canmore goretex bag (medium)
> 1 Glennie hide bag (medium)
>
> Guess that's about it ... I love this stuff!
>
> Chris
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Chris Hamilton
> [e-mail]
> http://toneczar.freeservers.com/
>


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From: HoosierPiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross Canister Bag
Date: 23 Mar 2000 09:04:41 -0800

About 30 seconds.  It seemed easier and more comfortable.

HP

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shaving Gilmour Reeds
Date: 23 Mar 2000 17:07:04 GMT

The reed modification method shown on Bill Carr's website is OK--you're
removing material from what an oboist or bassoonist would call the
"heart" of the reed. But I've found that you've got to balance your
scrape, rather than just removing material--just as with an oboe or
bassoon reed. You've got to take some material out of the top and even
tip of the reed, as well as the edges/sides, if you're going to reduce
the heart (and, hence, the strength of the reed overall).
     Admittedly, that's a really scary proposition, and you shouldn't
indiscriminately sand or file away at the reed. I urge anyone who's
really into this to contact a professional oboist or bassoonist and
spend an hour or two learing how to use reedmaking equipment,
especially the knives specifically designed for working on cane reeds.
Believe me, these are very friendly people who LOVE to talk about reeds
and help others understand how to make and adjust them. Not all of what
they can teach you will apply to pipe reeds, but some of the basic
techniques will definitely help you! Cheers, Thom


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From: Doug Campbell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 23 Mar 2000 12:35:59 -0500

Anybody who'd take the time to transcribe all those FZ solos is OK by me.

Doug C.

madman wrote:

>
>
> I was never a big Vai fan before I saw him perform live at the Beacon
> Theatre
> during the G3 tour.
> Best F'n performance you could imagine.
>


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From: HoosierPiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 23 Mar 2000 09:14:41 -0800

>I'm not an expert in harmonics or anything, but my
understanding is that
>after tuning to A (the first choice), the second choice would
be E
>because there's some wave business that goes on with a third
(?) "level"
>(whatever) harmonic that kicks in on E that doesn't occur as
soon with
>the other notes.

I believe Zudupiper explained it: >>I like D better than E
because it doesn't drop so flat with the bottom hand off<<

If you remove your bottom hand while playing E, the pitch
dramatically changes.  Therefore, you are tuning to an "off"
note.

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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 23 Mar 2000 12:42:50 -0500

Chris Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:45:34 -0500, madman <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
> >Chris Hamilton wrote:
> >> Yo what up homes?
> >>
> >
> >"I'm a complicated man,and no understands me 'cept my woman"
> >(wacka,wacka,wacka)
>
> He's a baaaaaaaaddddddd mutha ... (watch yo mouth) ... I'm talking
> 'bout Madman ...
>
> Can you dig it?
>
> Chris

Man, I didn't think anyone would get that one!

"bitch you ain't worth no hundred dollas"

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From: "Michael Pomeroy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross Canister Bag
Date: 23 Mar 2000 17:43:49 GMT

Don't do it Tod!!!!!!  The sheepskin will call to you in your sleep.

Guys like Bill Livingstone can get great tone out of the damn things, but
then, he could get great tone out of a freakin' Glad garbage bag.  As for
me, I'm sticking with the feel and the sound (not to mention the smell) of
sheepskin.

Mike
Gregoire wrote in message <8bdgm2$bn0$[e-mail]>...
>A question for those of you using the Ross Canister Bag. How long did you
>need to play your bag before you grew accustom and comfortable with it?
>
>Tod
>
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From: Paul Mc. <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time
Date: 23 Mar 2000 09:52:17 -0800

I have one set of Gillander/McLeod pipes, 1 cheap Paki practice chanter
in good shape, 1 cheap Paki practice chanter heavily glued and wrapped
in cello tape and 1 Kyle pipe chanter, all in an old leather pipe box.
I also have an assortment of about 30 cane drone reeds about 18 pipe
chanter reeds (assorted varieties) and a half dozen practice chanter
reeds(assorted)

My wife has one set of Hardie's, 1 Hardie practice chanter, and 1 Kyle
pipe chanter which she keeps in a wooden pipe box. She also has 4 spare
pipe chanter reeds. She switched to Kyle drone reeds and gave me her
old cane ones. She says my chanter reeds are to hard ("built from 2x4's
and old boot leather")so she keeps her's separate from mine.

And of course we share the usual "junk": bag seasoning, coggler's wax,
bees wax, hemp, rubber stoppers,etc.

Oh, almost forgot, heaps and heaps of accumulated sheet music from
sources near and far.

Th, th, th, th, th, thaaat's all folks!

Paul and Wendy Mc


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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 23 Mar 2000 12:54:00 -0500

On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:42:50 -0500, madman <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>Chris Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:45:34 -0500, madman <[e-mail]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Chris Hamilton wrote:
>> >> Yo what up homes?
>> >>
>> >
>> >"I'm a complicated man,and no understands me 'cept my woman"
>> >(wacka,wacka,wacka)
>>
>> He's a baaaaaaaaddddddd mutha ... (watch yo mouth) ... I'm talking
>> 'bout Madman ...
>>
>> Can you dig it?
>>
>> Chris
>
>Man, I didn't think anyone would get that one!
>
>"bitch you ain't worth no hundred dollas"

Damn straight.

It warms my black heart to see your concern for us minority folk.


Chris
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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 23 Mar 2000 12:56:58 -0500

Doug Campbell wrote:
>
> Anybody who'd take the time to transcribe all those FZ solos is OK by me.
>
> Doug C.

Thing Fish rules.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 23 Mar 2000 18:19:31 GMT

I have hesitated for quite a while getting into this thread. It has
really turned into some back biting, unfortunately, and I don't like to
be on the receiving end of nasty comments. But here goes.

I just want to add a comment about my own set of Booth pipes. I
purchased them in 1996. I have competed with them quite a few times.
Each time I have gotten comments on how good my pipes sound. My
instructor, who is an open grade piper, has told me just recently that
if I ever want to sell my Booths, he has first dibs on them. He really
likes the sound of the drones. I have a polypenco Dunbar chanter and a
blackwood Nail. Both sound very good in the pipes.

I am no expert on pipes and don't claim anything more than knowing what
I like. I like the sound of my Booths. Another piper I know has a 67
year old set of Lawries. To MY ear, mine sound just as good his. I have
heard other brands of pipes and so far there are only two "non-Paki"
brands that I would NEVER consider buying (no, one is not Kron).  The
rest each have strong and weak points and it is a matter of personal
taste as to which one perfers.

OK, fire away!


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From: Lise <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross Canister Bag
Date: 23 Mar 2000 20:04:00 GMT

Ditto the 30 seconds. I just ordered another one. You do have to replace
them after a couple of years, particularly if you don't read the
instructions, like I didn't. It started leaking because the inside
hydrophillic layer didn't get dry enough frequently enough. I had some big
performances coming up and was not going to put up with a leather bag again,
so I painted some tent waterproofing on my Ross just to get by. Works like a
champ, hard as a rock, though now I HAVE to take it all apart and dry it
out, since it no longer breathes. Can't imagine what would grow in there if
I didn't. Obviously, I love my bag.

Lise Nelson

Gregoire wrote:

> A question for those of you using the Ross Canister Bag. How long did you
> need to play your bag before you grew accustom and comfortable with it?
>
> Tod


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From: Brian <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time
Date: 23 Mar 2000 20:07:48 GMT

Oh Yea.

1 set of Booth GHB's
1 set of Zetland pipes
1 set of David Daye PC Uilleann's
1 Soudlum tin whistle in D
1 Clarke tin whistle in D
1 Clarke "sweettone" tin whistle in D
1 Susato whistle in D
1 Susato whistle in low A
1 Susato whistle in low G
1 Low D whistle
1 Irish flute complete with cracks
1 Generation tin whistle in C
1 "                         G
1 "                         F
1 Paki set of kids pipes (not working)
1 Paki set of toy pipes (   "        )
2 PC

And 1 boudhron.

Good God.

Brian

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From: David Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 23 Mar 2000 15:11:18 -0500


> >> Can you dig it?
> >>
> >> Chris
> >
> >Man, I didn't think anyone would get that one!
> >
> >"bitch you ain't worth no hundred dollas"
>
> Damn straight.
>
> It warms my black heart to see your concern for us minority folk.
>

glad you guys think your minstrel show antics are funny.
Thought that went out with the cotton fields.

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 23 Mar 2000 20:33:41 GMT

>It comes in very handy with the more complex Karma Sutra positions.
>
>
>No, that's the piper's third leg.
>

What do the female pipers use then?
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 23 Mar 2000 15:35:05 -0500

On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:11:18 -0500, David Williams
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>glad you guys think your minstrel show antics are funny.
>Thought that went out with the cotton fields.

Rent "Shaft" sometime ... and learn to laugh a little.  :-)

Chris
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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 23 Mar 2000 11:46:37 -0900

Royce Lerwick wrote:

> Hi. Let's examine your logic:
>
> First you claim I have a theory. This is untrue. I've stated a simple
> fact. IE: Bill Livingstone isn't on the prize lists lately, there must
> be a reason. That's not a theory, it's an accepted condition of
> reality. The proposal that there must be a reason is self-evident and
> logically infallible. Your implication that he's off the lists lately
> because there is *no* reason is fallacious.

Eh, dear.  Your clear implication was that Bill Livingstone should switch to
Rocket drone reeds so that he might enter the prize lists again, like Cusack
and Gillies.  I merely suggest that there are more probable reasons that a
player of Bill Livingstone's caliber would be out of the prize lists than the
sound of his bass drone (for instance, the huge amount of time he devotes to
running the Frasers). I did not imply that there is _no_ reason  - I just don't
think the reason you suggest is very likely.

> If the condition existed
> previously that he was on the prize lists, and then the condition
> changes that he is *not* on the prize lists, there indeed, *must*
> logically be a reason.

Yes, very good.  You're coming along....


> Third, cocoanuts are round and covered with hair. Your head is round
> and covered with hair. Therefore, your head is a cocoanut.

I applaud the consistency, if not the accuracy, of your logic.

Cheers,

Michael (coconut-head) New

p.s. All coconuts contain a fluid called milk.  There is no A in milk.
Therefore, there is no a in coconut.





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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 23 Mar 2000 20:52:28 GMT

 If you knew me, you would know that I am a sarcastic,
>insulting, arrogant SOB, and it gives me great pleasure to see
>that this side of me comes through loud and clear.

If that gives you pleasure, you must be cumming in your pants since you came on
this NG...
LOL
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 23 Mar 2000 16:00:26 -0500

David Williams wrote:
> glad you guys think your minstrel show antics are funny.
> Thought that went out with the cotton fields.

Take it up with the producers of Dolemite and Shaft.
Two very funny movies.

Lighten up a bit.

(no pun intended)

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From: "Steve White" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Schwing!
Date: 23 Mar 2000 20:39:48 -0000

Chris Hamilton wrote in message ...
>Yeah, well in addition to the big rings ...

Hey Chris,
I'd have another look at the Karma Sutra - from the sound of this you could
be doing something wrong mate  :-)
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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Band Confusion...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 00:53:12 GMT

> As to Worcester Kilties putting out a "parade band" you are totally
>wrong there. The band used on parades is the same band used in competition.

Really?  Why would a grade 2 band want to do parades?

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 23 Mar 2000 21:00:16 GMT

>no understands me 'cept my woman"
>(wacka,wacka,wacka)

Is your woman "rightey" or "lefty"?
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: "Dennis Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Hi there
Date: 23 Mar 2000 21:40:56 GMT


"wendyforbes" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:8bb6bs$ssv$[e-mail]...
>
>
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From: [e-mail] (MMorgan634)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North American Celti Arts Festival Gimme My Tickets!
Date: 23 Mar 2000 21:07:23 GMT

Royce:

Just a word of warning about the conditio of the freeways down here in happy
valley-if you are planning on renting a car and braving the free-way/luge run,
get off on the exit marked university parkway, instead of the Provo Center
street one.  About 3/4 mile further south (just inbetween the exits) the
freeway is  under construction and a total mess.  It makes us feel just like we
were back in SLC. Take care and hope to maybe see you over the weekend.
Marilyn

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 23 Mar 2000 21:06:15 GMT

>glad you guys think your minstrel show antics are funny.


It was....
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: ccc31807 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 23 Mar 2000 14:08:20 -0800

In article <8bdaiu$rms$[e-mail]>, oshpiper <oshpiper@my-
deja.com> wrote:
>Hey, Triple-C!  Before you leave I just wanted to get you to
2,000.
>
>      How about "whiner"?
>
>Pat

Sorry, Pat. DA beat you to the punch with "silly." Yours is
2001. But you can still be first in something - after all,
second place is first loser.

Regards.

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From: Shawn Husk <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Tone/Bagpipes/Reeds/Etc.....EVERYONE READ PLEASE
Date: 23 Mar 2000 22:09:56 GMT

Man alive, there is so much bickering going on lately
with this whole "set o bagpipes for sale" thread it's
just disgusting to me. ;)

I just thought I'd bring up some facts that maybe most
of you aren't aware of.

Pipes don't matter. Reeds don't matter. Chanter reeds
don't matter. Chanters don't matter (much). This is all
absolutely true. What matters is knowledge and skill. A
knowledgeable and skillfull piper can take any set of
reeds, and any set of pipes and any chanter and reed
and get them to perform in a reasonable fashion with
good tone. Now I'm not talking about CRAP reeds,
drones, chanters etc....but I'm talking about the VAST
majority of what's available on the market today. Sure
you can find chanters the just suck (paki) and drones
that just suck and won't make a sound (paki) but I'm
referring to the majority of what's available out
there.

Give Alasdair a set of whatevers and some whatevers
reeds and a whatever chanter and he will set them up
based on his knowledge and when he plays them with HIS
skill they will sound great. Guaranteed. The same would
apply to any number of the worlds top players.

Everyone get's so engrossed in "What's the best
drones/chanter/reeds?!" ad nauseum and it's just crazy.
People actually fighting over this stuff. But that's
the nature of "beginners" now I'm not saying anything
negative about beginners it's just the way it is. I was
a beginner too once and I was the same way, always
searching for the "perfect chanter" the "perfect reeds"
and drones, it was a never ending battle. But now that
I've got a little more experience under my belt I know
how to set up a chanter, I can set ANY drone reed to
perform at it's optimum, I can manipulate a chanter
reed to work the way I want it to.

And when it comes to personal preference of sound and
all that well, that's just a-whole-nother ball of wax.
I mean, in that case NOBODY is right or wrong. It's
just preference. I prefer the sound I get from my
Gibsons, yet at the same time I have a balanced set, I
don't have some whomping roaring bass sound with no
tenor. I've got a nice balanced tenor sound with a
slightly dominant bass. I've set up Krons and I know
how to set them up to sound very close to my Gibsons,
big friggin deal, who cares? Any reed can make any
drones sound JUST HOW THE PIPER WANTS them to IF he
know's what he's doing. And like was mentioned in an
earlier post, most of the really subtle nuances of pipe
tone is LOST on the vast majority of listeners and
pipers alike. I mean let's say there's 50,000
GHBagpipers in the world today. Of those maybe 5% are
at that level where they can really HEAR AND TELL the
difference. So what's that? 2,500 pipers who can tell?
Big deal.

I don't even know why I'm writing all this I guess I
just got sick of all the bitching and moaning about
"products". If you want good tone, learn how to set up
and play your pipes. Then when you're knowledgeable you
can do whatever you want with whatever you want and get
whatever sound you prefer. But till then, QUIT
BITCHING!!! :)

Shawn

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From: Brian <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time-revised
Date: 23 Mar 2000 22:17:46 GMT

Brian wrote:
>
> Oh Yea.
>
> 1 set of Booth GHB's
> 1 set of Zetland pipes
> 1 set of David Daye PC Uilleann's
> 1 Soudlum tin whistle in D
> 1 Clarke tin whistle in D
> 1 Clarke "sweettone" tin whistle in D
> 1 Susato whistle in D
> 1 Susato whistle in low A
> 1 Susato whistle in low G
> 1 Low D whistle
> 1 Irish flute complete with cracks
> 1 Generation tin whistle in C
> 1 "                         G
> 1 "                         F
> 1 Paki set of kids pipes (not working)
> 1 Paki set of toy pipes (   "        )
> 2 PC
>
> And 1 boudhron.
>
> Good God.
>
> Brian

Oops I forgot!

1 Harp

Brian

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From: "a" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cracked stocks
Date: 23 Mar 2000 22:24:17 -0000

fill the crack with super glue. but you are better of getting a maker to
make a new one.



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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tone/Bagpipes/Reeds/Etc.....EVERYONE READ PLEASE
Date: 23 Mar 2000 17:32:46 -0500

On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:09:56 GMT, Shawn Husk <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>Man alive, there is so much bickering going on lately
>with this whole "set o bagpipes for sale" thread it's
>just disgusting to me. ;)

Ah, that's what makes this place fun.

>I just thought I'd bring up some facts that maybe most
>of you aren't aware of.
>
>Pipes don't matter. Reeds don't matter. Chanter reeds
>don't matter. Chanters don't matter (much). This is all
>absolutely true.

Uh, I would say it's true TO A DEGREE.  I have three sets of pipes
(four if the Kintails were in fact worthy of the name) and they DON'T
sound the same.  I've got nine or so *useful* chanters and they DON'T
sound the same. Some sound similar, but certainly not the same.  I've
got my favorites.

My new MacLellans, for instance, sound nothing like my MacDougalls.
Both sound excellent, but very different.  Same reeds, same chanter,
same blower.  The Graingers are pleasant too, but lack some of the
richness and depth of the other two. But I can make them sing quite
nicely (27 years of reed futzing).  So there you are correct.  But I
wouldn't play the Graingers in a professional contest, not when I have
the other two instruments available. They'd be passable, but not
optimum.

> snip

>I don't even know why I'm writing all this I guess I
>just got sick of all the bitching and moaning about
>"products". If you want good tone, learn how to set up
>and play your pipes. Then when you're knowledgeable you
>can do whatever you want with whatever you want and get
>whatever sound you prefer. But till then, QUIT
>BITCHING!!! :)

Dave's point was not about the sound of Booth pipes, but rather the
quality of materials and workmanship and manufacturer integrity. I
don't think he ever said they sound poor. The other chap said that
Kron pipes were too quiet and wimpy ... that's what started the
slinging. And ya don't sling with a New Yorker ...

Chris
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From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cracked stocks
Date: 23 Mar 2000 22:40:11 GMT


>I have a (very) small little crack in the inner ring of wood in my base
>drone stock. You can see the crack when looking down through the stock to

Both sets of blackwood pipes I have owned have had this very same type of crack
in the base drone stock.
The one I owned for 15 years and the other for 2.
It never got worse and I never had it repaired.
I won't say not to get it repaired, but in at least my case it never developed
into a problem.
It must be a very common area to crack.

Cheers


Jim


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From: "Peter Anderson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross Cannister Bag
Date: 23 Mar 2000 17:10:11 -0000


"Michael New & Diane Rossmiller" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Peter Anderson wrote:
>
> > P.S.  I discovered that I am a 'hot' and not a wet blower - I have never
> > heard this term before but it means that hot breath will not cause
moisture
> > to condense on the drone reeds but instead condenses further along the
> > system i.e. at the top of your drones.  The only cure for this was the
Ross
> > bag or I could drink yet more Malt and dehydrate myself, no I am trying
that
> > already and it does not work -;)
>
> Interesting, Peter - I have always felt that the term "wet blower" was a
> misnomer, at least in my case, as I _know_ i'm not slobbering into the bag
(in
> fact my mouth tends to get very dry after a half hour or so of piping).  I
think
> the condensation is a factor of several different parameters, including
> temperature of the breath, relative humidity of the breath, and
environmental
> temperature and humidity.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael
>

I think that describes it very well.



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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross Canister Bag
Date: 23 Mar 2000 18:27:02 -0400


Lise wrote in message <[e-mail]>...

>>. It started leaking because the inside
>hydrophillic layer didn't get dry enough frequently enough. I had some big
>performances coming up and was not going to put up with a leather bag
again,
>so I painted some tent waterproofing on my Ross just to get by. Works like
a
>champ, hard as a rock, though now I HAVE to take it all apart and dry it
>out, since it no longer breathes.

Hmmm.............Airtight seasoning    versus   tent waterproofing,
microwave ovens,  wrench sets,  hooking and unhooking hoses to various
stocks, adjusting kitty litter quantities in the various containers,  bag
refits once per week.............

Why am I putting up with the terrible inconvenience of a ten year bag life
and a 5 mintute seasoning once every 4 months ?    Where can I get one of
these Godsends ?

David
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From: "Peter Anderson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: plastic versus cane
Date: 23 Mar 2000 17:26:30 -0000

Sni
>>
> And a paradox: If you talk to pipers who know what they are
> doing, they will tell you that cane reeds without any doubt
> produce the best results. They sound better, and you cannot be a
> competant piper unless you use cane reeds. Yet these same
> pipers, if you study under them, will set you up with synthetic
> drone reeds. In fact, a much larger percentage of journeyman
> pipers use the synthetics than cane, despite the fact that
> synthetics cost about five times as much as cane. If cane sounds
> better and is much, much, cheaper, why do most pipers use
> synthetics?
>

Although not an expert myself, I would tend to disagree to some extent with
the above statement based on the fact that:-
Willie McCallum
Donald MacPherson
Andrew Wright
Robert Wallace
And many other world class pipers I have seen at top solo comps.
All use Ezeedrone tenors and cane bass reeds.  These guys are surely amoung
the best pipers in the world.




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 23 Mar 2000 22:56:04 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] wrote:
> For some reason I'm having flashbacks of Mr. Haney
> and his Grabwell washing machine.
> Strange,very strange.

Mr. Haney - salesman/quality control/bagpipe expert
Arnold Ziffle - chief wood-turner
Eb - accountant
Mrs. Douglas - wood buyer



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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tone/Bagpipes/Reeds/Etc.....EVERYONE READ PLEASE
Date: 23 Mar 2000 23:29:36 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
Shawn Husk <[e-mail]> wrote:

>But till then, QUIT
> BITCHING!!! :)
>
> Shawn

The product war, unfortunately, resulted when lying little pinworm
ferraridrone started running his suck - lying and Kron-bashing.  Maybe
it's all a big misunderstanding.  Maybe the dumbass at BYU just can't
set up pipes.

Hey Ian, pull the bridles all the way back on your drone reeds and then
spring them way, way up.  That way you'll never get past the double-
tone and you can proudly declare that not one pipe-band on earth is
louder than yours.  "Yeah mate, deaf as a post before the lads
graduate, thats our goal."

Mark


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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 23 Mar 2000 16:37:00 -0700

I am not even wasting my time with you any more. Rave on.

Don

Beginnertunes wrote:

> >Once more to point out what an idiot you are.
>
> Well I'll make one more point to show how totally absurd, comical,and deaf you
> are. Here's a quote from you: "Booths sound like a sweet set of vintage
> Hendersons."
> Here's everyones (especially grade2 or higher players) reaction to your
> comments: MUHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA!
> Please sober up, or let the hullucinogens wear off before posting here and
> making a bigger fool of yourself than you already have with ridiculous claims
> like that Don. You seem like a pretty good guy most of the time you've been on
> here,  so I'll just ignore your previous comments, and chalk them up to a brain
> lesion.
> Scotia Aye!
> Bill

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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 23 Mar 2000 18:39:42 -0500

On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:56:04 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>,
>[e-mail] wrote:
>> For some reason I'm having flashbacks of Mr. Haney
>> and his Grabwell washing machine.
>> Strange,very strange.
>
>Mr. Haney - salesman/quality control/bagpipe expert
>Arnold Ziffle - chief wood-turner
>Eb - accountant
>Mrs. Douglas - wood buyer

Mr. Douglas drove a Hoyt-Clagwell ...

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Hamilton
[e-mail]
http://toneczar.freeservers.com/

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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 23 Mar 2000 23:43:45 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
ccc31807 <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Sorry, Pat. DA beat you to the punch with "silly." Yours is
> 2001. But you can still be first in something - after all,
> second place is first loser.

Ahhh so.  You ahh famiya wit old Chinese lawyer saying.


Here is riddle fo you:

Q. What's wrong with lawyer jokes?



A. Lawyers don't think they're funny and other people don't
   think they're jokes.

Pat


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From: "Scot Kortegaard" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tone/Bagpipes/Reeds/Etc.....EVERYONE READ PLEASE
Date: 23 Mar 2000 15:32:25 -0800

TY. Glad someone said it.

    Scot.
Shawn Husk <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Man alive, there is so much bickering going on lately
> with this whole "set o bagpipes for sale" thread it's
> just disgusting to me. ;)
>
> I just thought I'd bring up some facts that maybe most
> of you aren't aware of.
>
> Pipes don't matter. Reeds don't matter. Chanter reeds
> don't matter. Chanters don't matter (much). This is all
> absolutely true. What matters is knowledge and skill.

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From: "JOHN BROADWELL" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: "UNKNOWN"PIOBAIREACHDS
Date: 24 Mar 2000 00:40:05 -0000

Thanks guys, this is all interesting stuff and points up some of the
problems of editors of collections such as, MacDonald, Mackay, General
Thomason, Grant, Ross, Kilberry and the Piobaireachd Society has had, eg.
should a recent composition be included in their lists? should only "proven"
golden oldies be featured? what criteria should be used to judge the musical
merit of a tune in relation to old versus new? should a tune that is popular
over a period of time (and how long is that?) be included even if it is a
comparatively recent, eg. Mackintosh's Banner, circa 1881 or even
Glengarry's Lament 1828 ?

Indeed the date and provenance of many tunes is totally unknown, does it all
matter anyhow if the beauty of the tune is such that people love to hear
it??  Indeed, who has heard in the last thirty years, any of the tunes that
Grant himself composed, they are there, written and known about. Have they
fallen victim to their own mediocrity, or are they just not fashionable due
to players seeking authoritative or older sources? I am quite sure that any
good tune would stand up to the test of time.

Does the addition of these more recent tunes devalue the collections made by
such people as Thomason?? Too many imponderables!!Current thinking seems to
be that the 15th book of the Piobaireachd Society is about as far as any
authoritative collection can go, though of course there is the Gesto
Canntaireachd collection, not all of which has been published and
transcribed into staff, and there was a third "lost" volume I believe??

Should every known piobaireachd be published, old, new or indifferent, then
let public taste decide what is popular or going to be heard, at least every
player would then have the option of deciding for themselves providing they
are working with the best information available at that time?

Sorry folks, got onto my what if?? soap box :-) :-) :-)

Slainte

John B


"Paul Gretton" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> JOHN BROADWELL wrote:
> >
> > There are thirty one Piobaireachds composed by John Grant, the first
Army
> > instructor at Edinburgh Castle, listed in his book "Piobaireachd : it's
> > Origin and Construction" published in 1915, most of the titles of which
I
> > have never ever come cross, does anyone know where they are
published????
> >
> > There are also other tune titles by other composers I have never come
across
> > before, these other titles are as follows : -
> >
> > Berisdale's Salute
> > Black Watch's salute
> > Laird of Borlum's Salute
> > (is this the same tune as MacKintosh of Borlum's Salute?)
> >
> > Salute to G. Campbell of Calder
> > Castle Menzies Salute
> > Salute to John Ciar
> > Lady Doyle's salute
> > Elchies or "Macnab's Salute"
> > Inverary Salute
> > Kinlochmoidart's Salute
> > Laggan Salute
> > Lochiel's Salute or "Away with your Tribe Ewen"
> > MacDonald of the Isles Salute
> > The MacDougall's Salute
> > MacKenzie of Gairloch's Salute
> > MacLeod of Gesto's Salute
> > Roderick More MacLeods Salute (sic)
> > (Possibly "Salute on the Birth of Rory Mhor Macleod")
> >
> > Pipers Salute to his master
> >
> > General Thomason's Salute
> > Miss Mabel Thomason's Salute
> > (I think these two tune's inclusion proves my point about newish
> > compositions being included)
> >
> > ad infinitum/nauseum
> >
> > Those listed above are just a few from his list of salutes.
> > I would be quite interested to hear from someone with a copy of General
> > Thomason's  book to see if any of these tunes cross reference with that
> > work, the problem as I see it is that Grant included his own tunes in
the
> > list and by implication probably included other contemporarily composed
> > tunes. However, all the old standards are also there.
> >
> > Other categories which he lists, in which the same process can be
observed
> > are : -
> >
> > Welcome's
> > Laments
> > Farewells
> > Gatherings
> > Marches or Challenges
> > Battle tunes
> > Warnings
> > Nameless
> > Miscellaneous
> >
> > Any comments or enlightenment would be gratefully received.
> >
> > Slainte
> >
> > John B
>
> JOHN BROADWELL wrote:
> >
> > There are thirty one Piobaireachds composed by John Grant, the first
Army
> > instructor at Edinburgh Castle, listed in his book "Piobaireachd : it's
> > Origin and Construction" published in 1915, most of the titles of which
I
> > have never ever come cross, does anyone know where they are
published????
> >
> > There are also other tune titles by other composers I have never come
across
> > before, these other titles are as follows : -
> >
> > Berisdale's Salute
> > Black Watch's salute
> > Laird of Borlum's Salute
> > (is this the same tune as MacKintosh of Borlum's Salute?)
> >
> > Salute to G. Campbell of Calder
> > Castle Menzies Salute
> > Salute to John Ciar
> > Lady Doyle's salute
> > Elchies or "Macnab's Salute"
> > Inverary Salute
> > Kinlochmoidart's Salute
> > Laggan Salute
> > Lochiel's Salute or "Away with your Tribe Ewen"
> > MacDonald of the Isles Salute
> > The MacDougall's Salute
> > MacKenzie of Gairloch's Salute
> > MacLeod of Gesto's Salute
> > Roderick More MacLeods Salute (sic)
> > (Possibly "Salute on the Birth of Rory Mhor Macleod")
> >
> > Pipers Salute to his master
> >
> > General Thomason's Salute
> > Miss Mabel Thomason's Salute
> > (I think these two tune's inclusion proves my point about newish
> > compositions being included)
> >
> > ad infinitum/nauseum
> >
> > Those listed above are just a few from his list of salutes.
> > I would be quite interested to hear from someone with a copy of General
> > Thomason's  book to see if any of these tunes cross reference with that
> > work, the problem as I see it is that Grant included his own tunes in
the
> > list and by implication probably included other contemporarily composed
> > tunes. However, all the old standards are also there.
> >
> > Other categories which he lists, in which the same process can be
observed
> > are : -
> >
> > Welcome's
> > Laments
> > Farewells
> > Gatherings
> > Marches or Challenges
> > Battle tunes
> > Warnings
> > Nameless
> > Miscellaneous
> >
> > Any comments or enlightenment would be gratefully received.
> >
> > Slainte
> >
> > John B
>
> What you need is Bob Pekaar's "Encyclopedia of Tunes for the GHB"! The
first three you
> mention are listed as being in Thomason's collection. I don't have time to
go through
> the whole list.
>
> I have a copy of Grant's own collection ("The Royal Collection of
Piobaireachd",
> Edinburgh 1908). This contains the following tunes, all by Grant himself:
>
> King Edward VII Salute
> Duke of Connaught's Salute
> Lament for Queen Victoria
> Duke of Fife's Salute
> Lord Archibald Campbell's Salute
> Piobaireachd society's Salute.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul Gretton
>
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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: wygent and gortex
Date: 24 Mar 2000 01:07:44 GMT

>If
>you can tell me how to strike in these reeds with this new bag let me know
>how you do it.

It's more of a "hand placement" thing than anything else I think.  Hide doesn't
really care where the "tap" comes from, but goretex seems to need for it to
come from the bottom.

Your reeds are also taking too much air I think.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 24 Mar 2000 01:11:31 GMT

>I believe Zudupiper explained it: >>I like D better than E
>because it doesn't drop so flat with the bottom hand off<<
>
>If you remove your bottom hand while playing E, the pitch
>dramatically changes.  Therefore, you are tuning to an "off"
>note.

I'm glad somebody was paying attention ; )

RIght.  If you take your bottom hand off the chanter, it's much less of a tonal
disruption to play D, since you're only losing the right little finger (rather
than E, where you're losing 3 fingers).

It's okay to tune to an "off" note, but it's less unpleasant to be playing one
that's not "off" very much.  Really, you're ignoring what's coming out of the
chanter while you're tuning.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shaving Gilmour Reeds
Date: 24 Mar 2000 01:15:44 GMT

>You've got to take some material out of the top and even
>tip of the reed, as well as the edges/sides, if you're going to reduce
>the heart (and, hence, the strength of the reed overall).

What about the pipers' dictum of "shaving only in non-supporting areas"?  Shave
in a support area, and unless you're really careful you're going to wreck your
reed.  Shave in a non-supporting area, and you can be more bold if you want to.
 You have more margin for error.

And if you do goof up, that's what mandrels are for.

>I urge anyone who's
>really into this to contact a professional oboist or bassoonist

I'd rather learn from pipers who have successfully done this in the past.  Or
learn by trial and error.  I've wrecked my share of reeds.  Never called an
oboist or bassoonist, though.

Zu





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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tone/Bagpipes/Reeds/Etc.....EVERYONE READ PLEASE
Date: 24 Mar 2000 01:19:11 GMT


>A
>knowledgeable and skillfull piper can take any set of
>reeds, and any set of pipes and any chanter and reed
>and get them to perform in a reasonable fashion with
>good tone.

You're going to have to change the subject if you want to have an argument with
me.

; )

Zu

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From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) How to buy a bagpipe
Date: 24 Mar 2000 01:59:29 GMT

This post is in response to current NG activity on the topic and the many
emails that I've received recently regarding the purchase of a new bagpipe.
What is written here may or may not be found elsewhere.  I have no
commercial interest in posting this.  My only interest is in helping others.

This post is not intended to be the definitive word on selecting a new
bagpipe.  There are many addtional factors to consider.  However, how a
bagpipe stands up under this particular level of scrutiny may provide clues
as to how it will stand up otherwise.

Let's for a minute put tone qualities and preferences aside.  Let's also put
aside the actual performance (ability to lock-in and remain steady) of the
drones.  Let's just talk about what they look like.  When I inspect a
bagpipe, this is what I do:

1) I remove all the drones from the stocks, disasemble the various pieces
and remove the cords.  If possible, I like to inspect the stocks "out of the
bag."  I like to study the wood first.  Is it "close grained" and dark in
color?  Lighter colored "blackwood" may not be...African Blackwood that is.
Is the color of the wood consistent throughout or are there lighter and
darker colored woods.  Hold a piece in your hands.  Does it have the weight
of blackwood or does it feel light?  Look at the finish.  I don't mind an
oil finish, or a wax finish, or even a light, clearcoat finish.  I do mind
those thick plastic finishes that look like an Elvis portrait.  Beware!

2) I closely inspect the stocks.  I view the stock from the top.  Is there a
generous amount of wood between the stock and the ferule?  The less wood,
the more vulnerable the piece.  Is the bore concentric, or is it oval?
Nothing but perfectly concentric will suffice.  Are the walls of the stock
even or can you detect a "thick" side and a "thinner" side?  (this can be
caused by working with improperly seasoned wood)  Are there any cracks
visible from either the top or the bottom?  Even a small crack is a problem.
Is the ferule (either imitation or metal) flush with the wood?  Does the
ferule fit the wood properly, or is it an uneven fit, showing gaps or
distortions?  Next I cradle the piece loosely in one hand and turn it with
the other.  Does it feel concentric or can you detect any out-of-roundness?
Next I insert the matching drone piece into the stock.  Is it a snug fit
evenly, or is there any evidence of a taper to the stock bore?  Compare the
lengths of the stocks.  The tenor stocks should be identical in length.
Check the combing on all stocks.  A quality instrument will be consistent
from piece to piece.

3) I inspect the tenor bottom sections and the bass bottom section.  Are the
bores even and smooth all the way through?  Is there any evidence of
improper boring?  Again, cradle the piece and turn it in your hand.  "Feel"
for roundness.  Then roll the section across a flat surface.  Watch the
tuning pin.  It should be dead steady.  Any wobble probably means there's a
warp in the piece.  It also could mean that the pin was repaired or replaced
inexpertly.  Again inspect the combing.  Compare the thickness of the beads.
Are they uniform from piece to piece?  Note the treatment above the bottom
mount and below the top mount.  Is is consistent?  Stand the two tenor
sections side by side.  Look at them dead on.  Can you see any difference in
thickness, shape, or length?  Now take a section in each hand.  Oppose the
pieces and place them pin to mount.  The pins should both be the same
length.  Each pin top should touch the other's mount.  Now take each piece
into the best light possible.  Catch the light on the piece and turn it
slowly.  .  Look down the length for any cracks.  They may be hard to spot
so take your time.

4) The bass mid section is next.  Roll it in your hand.  Roll it across a
flat surface.  Is it straight or does it wobble?  Is the design and combing
consistent with the other pieces already inspected?  Perform all surface
checks as noted above.  Then insert the bass bottom piece into the tuning
chamber.  It is an even fit, or does it pinch and then go loose?  A
hammered-on metal ferule may have constricted the wood.  Or does it "jam up"
a short way into the chamber?  Both conditions are problematic.

5) Inspect the tenor tops.  Look for consistency throughout.  The tenor tops
should be interchangeable (having the exact same tuning chamber bore).
Check for small cracks under the ferule.  Again, more wood is preferable.  A
thick imitation ferule provides little support.  Is the tuning chamber even,
or is it tapered?  Does the tenor top fit evenly as you insert and remove
the bottom section?  Spend time studying the bell.  Are they both identical
or can you detect inconsistencies.  Again, stand the two sections side by
side and study them.  Thickness, shape, length, should all be the same.

6) The top section of the bass should pass all the same tests as detailed
above.

7) Check all the mounts and fittings to ensure consistency.  Every fitting,
every ferule, every mount should fit properly, flush with the wood and
showing no gaps or uneveness.

8) The blowpipe also must pass inspection.  Check for cracks along the
outside, but also check for cracks where the valve is fitted.  Remove the
mouthpiece and check the threaded end.  No cracks should be visible.

Be careful if you're buying a bagpipe that you haven't personally inspected.
If this is your first bagpipe purchase, buying from a dealer may be a good
option.  This way you can inspect the bagpipe prior to making the purchase.
However if you are buying from a manufacturer, make sure you establish the
ground rules up front.  Provide them with your personal checklist.  Most
manufacturers are reputable and are very eager to satisfy the customern
however nobody likes unpleasant surprises.

As stated above, this is not the definitive word on how to select a bagpipe.
However, it's a good place to start.  Buying a bagpipe should not be an
impulse purchase.  Nor should you rely entirely on someone else's opinion.
I've had lot's of emails recently and the only stupid question I've heard
lately is.... well I haven't heard it!  All questions are good.

Good piping
Ringo



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From: Jim McGillivray <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Piobaireachd:  Known and Un-
Date: 23 Mar 2000 20:42:41 -0500

Folks:
If this sort of piobaireachd talk interests you, I strongly recommend a new book
that has just come onto the market as of February.  Called "The Highland Pipe
and Scottish Society: 1750-1950", it is written by piper and academic researcher
William Donaldson.  It's published by Tuckwell Press in East Lintond, Scotland.
Should be in the shops soon. I'll be reviewing it in the next edition of The
Piper & Drummer magazine, where I will unequivocably state that I think it is
one of the most important works of piping research written in the last 100
years. It's fascinating and superbly crafted. Once you get past the rather dense
and irrelevant first chapter, it will almost certainly influence the way you
think about how piobaireachd has been published and performed in the last 100
years. It will also help you to understand why piobaireachd has become somewhat
of a non-living art form.  I think it's a magnificent book.

I'd better shut up now or Berthoff will kill me....

Cheers,
Jim McGillivray
Aurora, Ontario



JOHN BROADWELL wrote:

> Thanks guys, this is all interesting stuff and points up some of the
> problems of editors of collections such as, MacDonald, Mackay, General
> Thomason, Grant, Ross, Kilberry and the Piobaireachd Society has had, eg.
> should a recent composition be included in their lists? should only "proven"
> golden oldies be featured? what criteria should be used to judge the musical
> merit of a tune in relation to old versus new? should a tune that is popular
> over a period of time (and how long is that?) be included even if it is a
> comparatively recent, eg. Mackintosh's Banner, circa 1881 or even
> Glengarry's Lament 1828 ?
>
> Indeed the date and provenance of many tunes is totally unknown, does it all
> matter anyhow if the beauty of the tune is such that people love to hear
> it??  Indeed, who has heard in the last thirty years, any of the tunes that
> Grant himself composed, they are there, written and known about. Have they
> fallen victim to their own mediocrity, or are they just not fashionable due
> to players seeking authoritative or older sources? I am quite sure that any
> good tune would stand up to the test of time.
>
> Does the addition of these more recent tunes devalue the collections made by
> such people as Thomason?? Too many imponderables!!Current thinking seems to
> be that the 15th book of the Piobaireachd Society is about as far as any
> authoritative collection can go, though of course there is the Gesto
> Canntaireachd collection, not all of which has been published and
> transcribed into staff, and there was a third "lost" volume I believe??
>
> Should every known piobaireachd be published, old, new or indifferent, then
> let public taste decide what is popular or going to be heard, at least every
> player would then have the option of deciding for themselves providing they
> are working with the best information available at that time?
>
> Sorry folks, got onto my what if?? soap box :-) :-) :-)
>
> Slainte
>
> John B
>
> "Paul Gretton" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> news:[e-mail]...
> > JOHN BROADWELL wrote:
> > >
> > > There are thirty one Piobaireachds composed by John Grant, the first
> Army
> > > instructor at Edinburgh Castle, listed in his book "Piobaireachd : it's
> > > Origin and Construction" published in 1915, most of the titles of which
> I
> > > have never ever come cross, does anyone know where they are
> published????
> > >
> > > There are also other tune titles by other composers I have never come
> across
> > > before, these other titles are as follows : -
> > >
> > > Berisdale's Salute
> > > Black Watch's salute
> > > Laird of Borlum's Salute
> > > (is this the same tune as MacKintosh of Borlum's Salute?)
> > >
> > > Salute to G. Campbell of Calder
> > > Castle Menzies Salute
> > > Salute to John Ciar
> > > Lady Doyle's salute
> > > Elchies or "Macnab's Salute"
> > > Inverary Salute
> > > Kinlochmoidart's Salute
> > > Laggan Salute
> > > Lochiel's Salute or "Away with your Tribe Ewen"
> > > MacDonald of the Isles Salute
> > > The MacDougall's Salute
> > > MacKenzie of Gairloch's Salute
> > > MacLeod of Gesto's Salute
> > > Roderick More MacLeods Salute (sic)
> > > (Possibly "Salute on the Birth of Rory Mhor Macleod")
> > >
> > > Pipers Salute to his master
> > >
> > > General Thomason's Salute
> > > Miss Mabel Thomason's Salute
> > > (I think these two tune's inclusion proves my point about newish
> > > compositions being included)
> > >
> > > ad infinitum/nauseum
> > >
> > > Those listed above are just a few from his list of salutes.
> > > I would be quite interested to hear from someone with a copy of General
> > > Thomason's  book to see if any of these tunes cross reference with that
> > > work, the problem as I see it is that Grant included his own tunes in
> the
> > > list and by implication probably included other contemporarily composed
> > > tunes. However, all the old standards are also there.
> > >
> > > Other categories which he lists, in which the same process can be
> observed
> > > are : -
> > >
> > > Welcome's
> > > Laments
> > > Farewells
> > > Gatherings
> > > Marches or Challenges
> > > Battle tunes
> > > Warnings
> > > Nameless
> > > Miscellaneous
> > >
> > > Any comments or enlightenment would be gratefully received.
> > >
> > > Slainte
> > >
> > > John B
> >
> > JOHN BROADWELL wrote:
> > >
> > > There are thirty one Piobaireachds composed by John Grant, the first
> Army
> > > instructor at Edinburgh Castle, listed in his book "Piobaireachd : it's
> > > Origin and Construction" published in 1915, most of the titles of which
> I
> > > have never ever come cross, does anyone know where they are
> published????
> > >
> > > There are also other tune titles by other composers I have never come
> across
> > > before, these other titles are as follows : -
> > >
> > > Berisdale's Salute
> > > Black Watch's salute
> > > Laird of Borlum's Salute
> > > (is this the same tune as MacKintosh of Borlum's Salute?)
> > >
> > > Salute to G. Campbell of Calder
> > > Castle Menzies Salute
> > > Salute to John Ciar
> > > Lady Doyle's salute
> > > Elchies or "Macnab's Salute"
> > > Inverary Salute
> > > Kinlochmoidart's Salute
> > > Laggan Salute
> > > Lochiel's Salute or "Away with your Tribe Ewen"
> > > MacDonald of the Isles Salute
> > > The MacDougall's Salute
> > > MacKenzie of Gairloch's Salute
> > > MacLeod of Gesto's Salute
> > > Roderick More MacLeods Salute (sic)
> > > (Possibly "Salute on the Birth of Rory Mhor Macleod")
> > >
> > > Pipers Salute to his master
> > >
> > > General Thomason's Salute
> > > Miss Mabel Thomason's Salute
> > > (I think these two tune's inclusion proves my point about newish
> > > compositions being included)
> > >
> > > ad infinitum/nauseum
> > >
> > > Those listed above are just a few from his list of salutes.
> > > I would be quite interested to hear from someone with a copy of General
> > > Thomason's  book to see if any of these tunes cross reference with that
> > > work, the problem as I see it is that Grant included his own tunes in
> the
> > > list and by implication probably included other contemporarily composed
> > > tunes. However, all the old standards are also there.
> > >
> > > Other categories which he lists, in which the same process can be
> observed
> > > are : -
> > >
> > > Welcome's
> > > Laments
> > > Farewells
> > > Gatherings
> > > Marches or Challenges
> > > Battle tunes
> > > Warnings
> > > Nameless
> > > Miscellaneous
> > >
> > > Any comments or enlightenment would be gratefully received.
> > >
> > > Slainte
> > >
> > > John B
> >
> > What you need is Bob Pekaar's "Encyclopedia of Tunes for the GHB"! The
> first three you
> > mention are listed as being in Thomason's collection. I don't have time to
> go through
> > the whole list.
> >
> > I have a copy of Grant's own collection ("The Royal Collection of
> Piobaireachd",
> > Edinburgh 1908). This contains the following tunes, all by Grant himself:
> >
> > King Edward VII Salute
> > Duke of Connaught's Salute
> > Lament for Queen Victoria
> > Duke of Fife's Salute
> > Lord Archibald Campbell's Salute
> > Piobaireachd society's Salute.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Paul Gretton
> >
> > *****Present mirth hath present laughter.(Twelfth Night)*****


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: First parade notes, or a funny thing happened to me at the parade today.
Date: 21 Mar 2000 02:22:50 GMT

>Didja lift her's in reply??  Stu

She wasn't kilted, she had jeans on.
But believe me, I was so stunned, I didn't react for several seconds. She had
"done the deed", stood up, and walked off before I even came out of shock long
enough to react. I had to turn and grab her to  tell her what I did manage to
babble about "try that in warmer weather and you won't be disapointed."
The funniest part was the half-cocked (no pun intended) grin on her face as she
approached. Reminded me of some piranhas I used to have. They'd get the same
look on their faces when you'd throw bloody meat into the tank. It was a
priceless expression.
Scotia Aye!
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From: David Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 23 Mar 2000 21:14:52 -0500



Chris Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:11:18 -0500, David Williams
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >glad you guys think your minstrel show antics are funny.
> >Thought that went out with the cotton fields.
>
> Rent "Shaft" sometime ... and learn to laugh a little.  :-)

I laugh plenty, thanks.
White people pretending they're from the "hood" are either a) lame or b)
creeps.
either way I'll look for kicks elsewhere.

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From: "Tom Steele" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Dunfion Pipes
Date: 23 Mar 2000 21:17:04 -0500

Anyone here play Dunfions? Just curious; I bought a Dunfion PC, and I really
like the workmanship. I don't know enough to say whether the tone is any
good, but I'd like to know if they're worth consideration when I move up to
the full set.

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From: RachelAnne <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 23 Mar 2000 18:38:13 -0800

*THIS* is funny?  I only insulted a dead queen and a lot of
people went to town on me...

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From: RachelAnne <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: How to buy a bagpipe
Date: 23 Mar 2000 18:22:08 -0800

I printed this off to study!!  Once more, Ringo adds an
intelligent, worthwhile post.  This info can help anyone: rookie
or veteran.

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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tone/Bagpipes/Reeds/Etc.....EVERYONE READ PLEASE
Date: 23 Mar 2000 22:33:39 -0400


Scot Kortegaard wrote in message ...
>TY. Glad someone said it.
>
>    Scot.
>Shawn Husk <[e-mail]> wrote in message
>news:[e-mail]...
>> Man alive, there is so much bickering going on lately
>> with this whole "set o bagpipes for sale" thread it's
>> just disgusting to me. ;)



...........etc...........etc...........

You are right Scot....and Shawn..................but we have a mixture
here...........

an amusing mixture of hard working beginners trying their hardest to achieve
20 years of experience without slogging thru the 20 years.......seeking thru
technology to give them the advantages that look as if they are easily
achievable..........................

And then you have a bunch of people, of all levels, who seem to have time on
their hands and enjoy "stirring the stick"...................I mean......do
you really think that ANYONE could possibly have the twisted illogical
reasoning that Royce exhibits?.....these are the people who are bored with
the 200 channel universe filled with repeats, but don't want to hang around
a pub  slurping beer every night (they are saving themselves for the Games
beer tents)

It's an education in human nature........and far less depressing than band
politics !

David
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Subject: (bagpipe) REEDS
Date: 17 Mar 2000 04:23:52 -0500

Anyone hear anything about Abbott practice chanter reeds,let us know, Mike



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From: "Mats d Hermansson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cane Drone Reeds
Date: 24 Mar 2000 04:07:01 +0100



----------
In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Beginnertunes) wrote:


>>They last for months.
>
> A good set of drone reeds should last YEARS, not months...
> Scotia Aye!
> Bill
>

That depends on how often you play and for how long.

Mats d Hermansson

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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 23 Mar 2000 22:41:46 -0500

On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:14:52 -0500, David Williams
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>I laugh plenty, thanks.
>White people pretending they're from the "hood" are either a) lame or b)
>creeps.
>either way I'll look for kicks elsewhere.

I pretend nothing.

Yawn. Next non-issue please.

Chris
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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 23 Mar 2000 22:40:13 -0500

On 24 Mar 2000 01:11:31 GMT, [e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:

> ...

>>If you remove your bottom hand while playing E, the pitch
>>dramatically changes.  Therefore, you are tuning to an "off"
>>note.

>It's okay to tune to an "off" note, but it's less unpleasant to be playing one
>that's not "off" very much.  Really, you're ignoring what's coming out of the
>chanter while you're tuning.

Whew, if I'm judging somewhere and you use the one-hand "E" to tune
your drones to, you'll hear about it on the scoresheet.  It's an aural
assault on the ears!!!!  Oh yes, you'll hear about it.

I wouldn't knock points off from your playing, of course, but I'd sure
as heck express my opinion of it on the sheet.

Chris
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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 23 Mar 2000 22:49:37 -0500

On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:14:52 -0500, David Williams
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>I laugh plenty, thanks.
>White people pretending they're from the "hood" are either a) lame or b)
>creeps.

Um, we're quoting the movie "Shaft", a classic 70s flick ... I'm not
pretending I'm from anywhee.

>either way I'll look for kicks elsewhere.

Geez, David, don't be the PC police, FFS.

We can laugh at country bumpkins (a la Green Acres mentioned in
another post), posters are constantly using pseudo-Scottish slang and
expressions ("chunes", "ach laddie", etc.) for humorous effect.  On
and on.  I don't really see this as much different.

Ah yes, I know you'll say that due to the unique nature of race
relations in America, it IS different. But ... I think we can all get
past that if each group, each individual, we all learn to laugh at
ourselves a little. All of us.

Life is fun.

Chris
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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Highland P/C recommendation?
Date: 24 Mar 2000 04:47:26 GMT

My instructor and three other students are using TruTone PCs. Seem
pretty good.

I have a 20-year-old Hardie wood (short) chanter and I have trouble
getting reeds to sound right for both the top and bottom hand, typically
the top sounds too high. I've tried three different makes of PC reeds in
it and none are "plug and play". Another local piper buddy had a Hardie
and ended up buying one of the TruTones. That's not to say that Hardies
are bad, I haven't tried any others for comparison.

Andrew
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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 24 Mar 2000 04:59:30 GMT

"Rodger A. Cotton" wrote:
> It does the same thing that a 3" strip of electrical tape does.
> You can hold a low A with one hand, and tune with the other.

Hah. Yup. That's what I did last year when I was to play at my
sister-in-law's wedding. (Actually, I used 3 short pieces of tape.) I
couldn't---still can't---tune that great one handed. I'll have to try
Zu"FEPK*"'s "D" tuning technique.

Andrew "FEPQ**" Lenz

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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Band Chanters
Date: 24 Mar 2000 05:12:25 GMT

We did the research and found that chanters are overrated. We took some
3/4" PVC tubing (black if you can find it) and drilled holes, put a
flattened cigar tube on one end and a stove bolt on the other and it
sounds great. Scratch your favorite brand name into it and the judge
will never know.

(I can tease Zu because he knows it's just a matter of time before I try it!)

As for a serious answer, I have my first band practice next week but our
band is so low budget our kilts don't match, we have a plain drum, and I
know our chanters won't match.

Andrew
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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) "The Bagpipe Resource" website?
Date: 24 Mar 2000 05:59:36 GMT

Does anyone know where "The Bagpipe Resource" went? (Hopefully not in
oblivion.) It was at:

http://207.49.108.197/stagedive/ngicd5t/

Now that's just some link page to some web training deal.

It was the site that played "Steam Train to Mallaig" when you visited.

(Anyone know where there's a Midi or MP3 of "Steam Train"?)

bummed,
Andrew
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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Band Chanters
Date: 24 Mar 2000 02:13:27 -0400


Andrew & Kristen Lenz wrote in message
<[e-mail]>...
>We did the research and found that chanters are overrated. We took some
>3/4" PVC tubing (black if you can find it) and drilled holes, put a
>flattened cigar tube on one end and a stove bolt on the other and it
>sounds great. Scratch your favorite brand name into it and the judge
>will never know.
>

Absolutely correct...........Until you (try) strike in for the attack


>(I can tease Zu because he knows it's just a matter of time before I try
it!)
>
>As for a serious answer, I have my first band practice next week but our
>band is so low budget our kilts don't match, we have a plain drum, and I
>know our chanters won't match.

Hmmmmm....we may have 15 or so matched   12 or 14 year old War-Mac (or
Warnock) chanters,  I'm not sure which they are.......... for
sale..................once we get the PVC pipe and I get my drill press all
set up..........


David
Thanks Andrew  !

                            A hint......if you find that your band is using
chanters as you describe......QUIT  !



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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: REWARD: Stolen Pipes
Date: 20 Mar 2000 18:57:40 -0400


[e-mail] wrote in message <8b5eof$dsc$[e-mail]>...
>My family and I are offering a cash reward for the recovery of my
>bagpipes, last seen in Norfolk, Va., on St. Patrick's Day.
The sentimental value is unmeasurable.
>
>If you have ANY information about the pipes, please contact me:
>


I'm sure our condolences go out to you Jim....................what happened
?

In unfamiliar surroundings, my ivory Hendersons are "glued" to
me..................
and I got used plastic Dunbars for the "piss-ups".......................

Let us know the scenario......I don't think any of us want to see it happen
to us...............and we need to be "jolted" every once in a while.......

David



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From: "Merv Hodgson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) reeds for Warmac Chanters
Date: 24 Mar 2000 20:48:14 +1200

Could someone please recommend a suitable chanter reed for Warmac chanters
about 4 years old.
We are a lower grade band with about half the band at  learner stage, so do
not require gutbuster reeds, but would like reeds that can produce a decent
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From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Tone/Bagpipes/Reeds/Etc.....EVERYONE READ PLEASE
Date: 24 Mar 2000 10:26:25 GMT

>It's an education in human nature........and far less depressing than
band
>politics !

Could there be anyhing worse ?

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 24 Mar 2000 10:44:42 GMT

>Life is fun.

Yea Chris,

Life must be fun when you are the only man in the universe to get a set of
silver pipes from your wife as a gift.

Life ain't so fun for the rest of us poor slobs who get " If you buy one more
piping related product I'll --- ) and this is after handing over 1,000.00 in
gig money this month.

She can make a penny weep!

Other than that she does have her moments. Including giving birth to the most
wonderfull baby girl 11 months ago, at 43 years old, surprise! You should have
seen the baby try to dance to a strathspey on the PC last night. One of lifes
moments.

Cheers,

Jim

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From: "Shannon Lumsden" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) morrisons jig
Date: 24 Mar 2000 11:45:28 GMT

Does anyone have the sheet music for morrisons jig in .gif format?
Scott
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From: "Matt Buckley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 24 Mar 2000 07:22:34 -0500



Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]> wrote

> posters are constantly using pseudo-Scottish slang
> and expressions ("chunes", "ach laddie", etc.) for
> humorous effect.

Or sometimes not for humorous effect.  You know the
type - strutting about in "authentic" Highland garb
badly imitating a Scottish accent and looking forward
to the two highlights of their entire year - the "Tartan Ball" and the
"Night in Scotland".

Cheers.  Matt




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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 24 Mar 2000 09:58:30 -0500



[e-mail] wrote:

> snip

> . I have
> heard other brands of pipes and so far there are only two "non-Paki"
> brands that I would NEVER consider buying (no, one is not Kron).

for clarification, don't you mean neither is Kron? or do you really mean
one isn't ( and thus , one is?)

whaich two other brsnds do you reject, and why?


>  The
> rest each have strong and weak points and it is a matter of personal
> taste as to which one perfers.
>
> OK, fire away!
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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From: [e-mail] (TLER4)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 24 Mar 2000 15:05:28 GMT

>Insightful, I think we may have a future Ernest Hemingway here.... not!  If
>you
>cannot post anything remotely interesting nor backup your statements with
>logical statements than you should probably find another soapbox to climb up
>on.
>
>Ryan Jones
>
>
Yadda Yadda Yadda  GET A LIFE!!!!

People are always suspicious of those who point out their superiority and the
faults of others......usually those are the inferior ones................

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From: [e-mail] (Robert N. McKenzie)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: A tragic death
Date: 24 Mar 2000 15:18:07 GMT

Don Robertson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I just wanted to report the tragic death of my dear Uncle, Pattie Murphy.

Reminds me of a recent Great Big Sea song (& traditional tune):

Oh the night that Paddy Murphy died, is a night I'll never forget
Some of the boys got loaded drunk, and they ain't got sober yet;
As long as a bottle was passed around every man was feelin' gay
O'Leary came with the bagpipes, some music for to play

(http://www.onlinesupport.pe.ca/kobrien/songs/murphy.crd)

Rob McKenzie
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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 24 Mar 2000 11:23:34 -0500

Michael New & Diane Rossmiller wrote:
> Eh, dear.  Your clear implication was that Bill Livingstone should switch to
> Rocket drone reeds so that he might enter the prize lists again, like Cusack
> and Gillies.

ER,just for the record its not "should" switch,he *did* switch,
and to rave reviews of said reeds.
He was lusting for a second set,but production is quite limited.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: FOR SALE: Cuillin mountain range on the Isle of Skye
Date: 24 Mar 2000 17:06:16 GMT

This is just freakin' weird!

> Scottish Clan to Sell Mountains
>
> Family-Owned for 1,200 Years, Proceeds Will Be Used to Refurbish
Castle
>
> The landscape in Scotland is known for its beauty. The MacLeod clan
on the
> Isle of Skye has decided to sell the Cuillin mountain range, which
has been
> owned by the clan for 1,200 years. (ArtToday)
>
>
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/travel/DailyNews/scotlandmountains000323.
html
>
> The Associated Press
> I S L E á O F á S K Y E, Scotland, March 23 ï A Scottish mountain
range
> which has belonged to a single clan for about 1,200 years was put on
sale
> today in a bid to raise funds to refurbish a nearby castle and promote
> tourism and conservation.
> áááá The Cuillin mountain range on the Isle of Skye, part of the Inner
> Hebrides off northwest Scotland, spans about 35 square miles. Owner
John
> MacLeod ï the 29th chief of the MacLeod clan ï put the land on the
market
> and invited offers of more than $16 million.
> áááá MacLeod said he hoped to raise money to repair nearby Dunvegan
Castle,
> which he has built into a major tourist attraction since inheriting
it in
> 1965.
> Duty as 29th Chief of MacLeod
> The area for sale includes over 14 miles of coastline, two salmon
rivers, a
> licensed campsite, a sheep farm, a farmhouse, cottages and
traditional farm
> buildings.
> áááá MacLeod said the decision to sell was the most difficult of his
life,
> but he stressed that all the money from the sale would be reinvested
in
> Skye.
> áááá │By putting the Cuillins on the market, I hope to satisfy what I
see as
> the primary responsibilities of the 29th Chief of MacLeod,▓ he said.
> áááá │Firstly, to assist the fragile economy of northwest Skye by
providing
> opportunities for employment in the community,▓ he said. │Secondly, to
> ensure that any purchaser continues to value and safeguard the
interests and
> pursuits of all those from the wider community for whom the Cuillins
offer
> so much.▓
> áááá About 145,000 people visit Dunvegan Castle every year. The money
would
> enable tourists to visit parts of the 800-year-old castle currently
not open
> to the public. There are also plans for a hotel and leisure complex.
>
>


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From: [e-mail] (McBagpiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: reeds for Warmac Chanters
Date: 24 Mar 2000 18:01:06 GMT

if its a newer warmac chanter, it will be pitched higher that the older
ones.generally, a warnock will be a good choice, however, our band, grade 3 has
had some problems with them as of late.  we maybe going to megarity-ross.  they
are made similar and  are becoming more popular.  stay away from the new
shepards, they seem to be pitched high on the upper hand.  i am using a slagel
and its very nice on the older warmac....good luck

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From: Heather Wiens <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Book of Measurements
Date: 24 Mar 2000 18:42:38 GMT

Does anyone know where I might be able to purchase a book/pamphlet which
provides drone/stock diameters, externally identifiable features so as
to make heads or tails out of bagpipes which are older? This might take
some of the guess work out of identifying so-called "vintage" pipes!
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 24 Mar 2000 20:02:47 GMT


> Yadda Yadda Yadda GET A LIFE!!!!
>
> People are always suspicious of those who point out their superiority
and the
> faults of others......usually those are the inferior
ones................
>
> [e-mail]

That very well be, but for some reason I see that you still don't have
the balls to sign your name with your post.  What is the matter,
afraid???

Ryan Jones


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From: [e-mail] (RossD8th)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time-revised
Date: 24 Mar 2000 19:35:19 GMT

Yikes!!

Thank goodness we're not bowlers, we'd be up to our necks in balls and shoes.

If we're were bass fisherman some of us would need a marina....

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From: [e-mail] (Raistlin88)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time-revised
Date: 24 Mar 2000 20:18:50 GMT

Pipes: 1 set of sheperds (band pipes)
1 set of Lawries from 1940s (solo pipes and oh how sweet they are)
1 set of gibson fireside pipes in Bb
1 set naill scottish smallpipes in D

Chanters:
1 blackwood gibson pc
1 paki pc
1 plastic ? pc
1 98 wood gibson
1 99 wood gibson
2 wood naills
1 plastic sheperd
1 plastic war Mac
6 plastic gibsons ( okay so they're technically the bands, but I get to hold
onto them)
>> And 1 boudhron.
>>
>> Good God.
>>
>> Brian

I you're going to include drums:
1 pearl drumset
1 pear scottish snare
hopefully soon, 1 talking drum

Casey

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From: RachelAnne <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 24 Mar 2000 12:50:24 -0800

I feel it is a pretty safe guess that Rachel MacLellan is a
>pretty poor player.
>
Mr. Jones, if you disagree with something I say here, and you
obviously do, rebutting whatever you find disagreeable is fine.
However, to disparage my playing ability without hearing me play
is simply irresponsible.  Am I an open player? Not even close!
Hell, I don't even compete.  I think you were only speculating
about my musical talents, but this would be similar to me calling
your mother ugly when haven't seen her.  You disagreed with my
post and I can respect that but you have no idea what kind of
piper I am.  I think for only being serious about playing for a
few years I play a pretty mean pipe!

Sincerely

RachelAnne MacLellan

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From: [e-mail] (TLER4)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 24 Mar 2000 21:05:05 GMT

>That very well be, but for some reason I see that you still don't have
>the balls to sign your name with your post.  What is the matter,
>afraid???

Privacy is everything....and Why Does it Bother you Soooo much...........?????

and since you are still continuing this thread...I guess it IS REALLY Bothering
you.....you still should Get A Life !!!!!!!



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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 24 Mar 2000 16:16:43 -0500

On 24 Mar 2000 20:44:10 GMT, [e-mail] (JSLOANPR) wrote:

Hi Jim,

>Sorry ,
>you had no way of seeing the smile on my face when I was posting that.
>Just good old petty jealousy showing it's face over the new pipes and your
>better fortune at finding one fantastic and unbelievably thoughtfull woman!

After I sent that, I realized you probably omitted the wee smiley !!!
:-)      --   No offense taken!

Now I've gotta get her set up with a decent pipe chanter ... she's
still coveting my Sinclair and I just can't part with it.  Hmm, maybe
that Naill ...

>Congratulations to both of you.

Thanks.  I am a guy who despite incompetence, always manages to
blunder into good luck.   As my pal has said to me several times, "If
you don't marry her, we'll kill you."

Or as Mr. Spock said, "Random chance appears to have operated in our
favor."

>As for my mate, I wouldn't trade her for a supermodel. But I do have to remind
>myself of the old adage from time to time, " you don't always get what you want
>but what you need". Expecially when she gets ahold of the Mastercard bill from
>The British Shopper or J Higgins!!!

<shudder> I know what you mean.  Fortunately I have my own credit card
for my own purchases!  (remnant of the single life).  I know what you
mean about the "what you need" thing though - and it's true in my case
too!

It's an expensive hobby, that's for sure.

Chris
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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time-revised
Date: 24 Mar 2000 16:18:11 -0500

On 24 Mar 2000 20:18:50 GMT, [e-mail] (Raistlin88) wrote:

>1 98 wood gibson
>1 99 wood gibson
>2 wood naills
>1 plastic sheperd
>1 plastic war Mac

So which one(s) do you play with your Lawries?

Chris
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From: [e-mail] (RossD8th)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Schwing!
Date: 24 Mar 2000 21:06:29 GMT

Chris,

Never forget your anniversary:
5th-cane
10th-horsehair
15th-rosewood
20th-elkhide
25th-goretex
50th-blackwood

Ross

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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Schwing!
Date: 24 Mar 2000 16:11:04 -0500

On 24 Mar 2000 21:06:29 GMT, [e-mail] (RossD8th) wrote:

>Chris,
>
>Never forget your anniversary:
>5th-cane
>10th-horsehair
>15th-rosewood
>20th-elkhide
>25th-goretex
>50th-blackwood

Hmm, I'll check with my local "adult" gift store and see what they
have in these materials ...  ;-)

Chris
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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 24 Mar 2000 16:35:35 -0500

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:14:45 -0900, Michael New & Diane Rossmiller
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Who's the cat that won't cop out,
>When there's danger all about?
>Hamilton!
>(Right On)
>
>Who is the man
>Who would risk his neck for his brother man
>Hamilton (Chris Hamilton)
>
>(Fade to funky wa-wa riffs)

Thanks!  You crack me up!

You forgot the verse about the sex machine with all the chicks ...

Chris
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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 24 Mar 2000 12:14:45 -0900

Chris Hamilton wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:14:52 -0500, David Williams
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >I laugh plenty, thanks.
> >White people pretending they're from the "hood" are either a) lame or b)
> >creeps.
>
> Um, we're quoting the movie "Shaft", a classic 70s flick ... I'm not
> pretending I'm from anywhee.
>
> >either way I'll look for kicks elsewhere.
>
> Geez, David, don't be the PC police, FFS.
>
> We can laugh at country bumpkins (a la Green Acres mentioned in
> another post), posters are constantly using pseudo-Scottish slang and
> expressions ("chunes", "ach laddie", etc.) for humorous effect.  On
> and on.  I don't really see this as much different.
>
> Ah yes, I know you'll say that due to the unique nature of race
> relations in America, it IS different. But ... I think we can all get
> past that if each group, each individual, we all learn to laugh at
> ourselves a little. All of us.
>
> Life is fun.
>
> Chris
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Chris Hamilton
> [e-mail]
> http://toneczar.freeservers.com/

Who's the cat that won't cop out,
When there's danger all about?
Hamilton!
(Right On)

Who is the man
Who would risk his neck for his brother man
Hamilton (Chris Hamilton)

(Fade to funky wa-wa riffs)

Incidentally, my partner at the Veterinary Clinic and I frequently sing this
tune - he can imitate the wa-wa guitar so accurately it's eerie.  We've
confused more than a few younger employees, but that's one of the advantages
of being an old fart.





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From: "Woober" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North American Celtic Arts Festival/SFU PROBLEMS!
Date: 24 Mar 2000 21:41:53 GMT

Wouldn't they want to do a little research into the promoters of the
show?Perhaps they did and the promoter didn't have a checkered past.Mike
Ken MacKenzie <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:00:53 -0800, pg
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
> What the Hell has SFU's reputation got to do with it? They are the
> hired talent for someone's show. Check your facts before you start
> casting blame.
> Ken
> >I ordered 8 tickets and have received nothing except charges on
> >my visa card for more than $350 of misc. items!  FRAUD and THEFT!
> > Get your money back now.  Anyone else have these problems with
> >Aurora Music?  This is insane and unfortunate for SFU's
> >reputation!
> >
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From: [e-mail] (ALIXGUNN)
Subject: (bagpipe) WINDAES 2000
Date: 24 Mar 2000 21:43:21 GMT


    Wasn't certain if this had made it's way to this board yet.....
        Made me think of good old Sunnybouy Mitch

WINDAES  2000 - - Glasgow Version

    It has come to our attention that a few copies of the Glasgow edition of
Windows 2000 may have accidentally been shipped outside of Glasgow. If you have
one of the Glasgow editions you may need some help understanding the commands.
    The Glasgow edition may be recognised by looking at the opening screen.
 It reads WINDAES 2000 with a background picture of a McEwan's bottle
superimposed on a Celtic flag. It is shipped with a McEwan's screen saver.

Also note:
        The Recycle Bin is labelled The Fuk'n Bog.
        Dialup Networking is called Ma Fuk'n Mates.
        Control Panel is known as How Tae Fuk' Aboot Wi The Settins.
        Hard Drive is referred to as Big Fuk'n Disk.
        Floppies are Them Wee Plastic Fuk's.

Other features:
        OK = its aww-right
        cancel = fuk' off
        reset = wha' yoo aw aboot
        yes = aye'
        no = nay fuk'n chance
        find = get it yer fuk'n sel'
        go to = orr therr
        help = ah cannae fuk'n dae it
        stop = gie's fuk'n peace
        start = fuk'n move ya bastard
        settings = fuk'n settins
        programs = stuff at does stuff
        documents = ma shite

Also note that Windaes 2000 does not recognise capital letters or punctuation
marks.

Some programs that are exclusive to WINDAES 2000:
        tiperiter = a word processor
        cullerin'in book = a graphics program
        addin mershene = calculator
        soonds = CD player
        porn = Microsoft Internet Explorer ( surfing the internet )
        pikchers = a graphics viewer
        dole money = M/S accounting software
        Sellik = a spreadsheet of Celtic F.C.'s recent scores
        Bevvy = day to day important games and fun







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From: [e-mail] (Klunkmail)
Subject: (bagpipe) Hello,,,Looking for Help.....
Date: 24 Mar 2000 22:32:25 GMT

Didn't know where to look then I came across this newsgroup....

Can anyone help me to find a picture of a Bagpiper..........

Let me explain.....My son is doing a school project on Scotland and its history
 and he wants a small picture a Silhouette of a Bagpiper (or actual pic, I can
black it out) with his Bagpies 'up' on his shoulders and his large (Busby ?)
on. I think its Military Dress (??)

Ive found a few that will work---but Im hoping for a better one--and so is my
son.


thanks  and you people sounded great over the St. Patricks Day weekend!!!!!!!


You can email me with the pic's in either .art  or .bmp  or just tell me where
to find them   thanks again

Kevin

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From: "Tom Steele" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: FOR SALE: Cuillin mountain range on the Isle of Skye
Date: 24 Mar 2000 17:34:56 -0500

Having been to Dunvegan a couple of times, I can tell you that it does
indeed need renovation. Still, it's sad that the money couldn't be raised by
other means. The land, after all has been in the clan for 1200 years - that
just boggles the mind.


ALIXGUNN <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Subject: Official Black Cuillins Word (II)
> From: "Jeff Ramsden \(MacLe≥id\)"
[e-mail]
> Date: 3/24/2000 4:23 PM Eastern Standard Time
>
> From the president of the ACMS (Associated Clan MacLeod Societies):
>
> "Most of you will have been made aware through the news media of the fact
that
> Chief John has put the Cuillins on the real estate market for
> ú10,000,000.
>
> This has not been an easy decision for him. It is never a happy event to
sell
> land that has belonged to a family for a long period of time, as is the
> case with the Cuillins and the Chief's family. At the same time, matters
> concerning the MacLeod Estate, which includes Dunvegan and the Cuillin,
are the
> private business of the Chief. That Chief John would make this difficult
choice
> for the preservation of Dunvegan, a much closer Clan link than the
> Cuillin, speaks for itself relative to his devotion to Clan MacLeod.
>
> Chief John faces restoration expenses of over ú4,000,000 for Dunvegan
itself.
> After taxes, and other Estate improvements, he will have essentially none
of
> the funds available for his personal use. It is important to understand
that
>
> the Associated Clan MacLeod Societies is not a financial organization, and
as
> such does not have the capability to intervene.
>
> I know that all of us support him fully, and thank him for his exceptional
> effort to preserve that focus of our heritage as a Highland Clan, Dunvegan
> Castle."
>



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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 24 Mar 2000 22:55:17 GMT

>I am not even wasting my time with you any more. Rave on.
>
>Don

You, you mean, your giving up trying to convert me? Gee I was just on the verge
of selling my prized 1940's Hendersons to buy TWO SETS of booths too! Just
think I could have that sweet Henderson sound from a $900 set of balsa wood
pipes that unlike my AB Krons, or  my prized hendersons that have already been
around for 60 years, those monkey wood Booths will self destruct within a
relatively short time... Hmmm tough decision.

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From: "JOHN BROADWELL" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Cuillin for sale!!
Date: 24 Mar 2000 22:51:21 -0000

I have just got to say that I have climbed and walked all over the Cuillin,
yes, and even been up the "Inaccessible Pinnacle" during a Munro bagging
session a couple of years ago. These are wonderful hills, quite unique
within Europe, they provide both the very finest rock climbing, being
composed of volcanic Gabbro and very rough to the touch (real good friction)
and "THE" very finest and lengthy ridge walk in Scotland. If you really want
to understand the moody magnificence of this range then take a look at
Gordon Stainforth's book "The Cuillin", the book is interspersed with very
evocative verse from the pen of that great Gaelic poet and ardent student of
piobaireachd, Sorley Maclean, and there is a superb selection of photographs
that do full justice to these magnificent hills.

It is very sad that the Chief has had to do this but Dunvegan IS far more
important to the clan, the Cuillin will always remain, it's just a case of
who buys. It's a strange concept anyhow that people should "OWN" mountains
at all, it's like someone saying they own the ocean bed. Mountains,
prairies, forests are the stuff that a nation is made of and as such should
be owned by the nation, it's "OUR" heritage, but there we go, people do own
mountains in Britain, and as is the case with the Chief, he is bound to sell
to support a more pressing cause. There is, under Scottish law,  "de facto"
access to the Scottish hills anyhow, so access will hopefully continue and
still be possible for future generations. So very mixed feelings for me, but
I wish the Chief and his clan well in their endeavours and hold bated breath
until a buyer steps forward. If I won the National lottery tomorrow I know
where my money would be going.

I am not too sure here, but I believe that the tune "Bealach Nam Brog" was
composed about a battle in the Cuillins, perhaps someone out there could
confirm this for me??

Here's a sample of Sorley's work (translated from the Gaelic) : -


Long, long and distant,
long the ascent
long the way of the Cuillin
and the peril of your striving.....


Also : -

Beyond the lochs of the blood of the children of men,
beyond the frailty of the plain and the labour of the mountain,
beyond poverty, consumption, fever, agony,
beyond hardship, wrong, tyranny, distress,
beyond misery, despair, hatred, treachery,
beyond guilt and defilement; watchful,
heroic, the Cuillin is seen
rising on the other side of sorrow.

Slainte

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From: pg <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North American Celtic Arts Festival/SFU PROBLEMS!
Date: 24 Mar 2000 14:17:52 -0800

What I meant was it is too unfortunate that such a great
organization like SFU got mixed up with such a
promoter/festival.  SFU is obviously not the problem in any
way...except their choice of people to work with.  It is the
promoter that they are working with.  It doesn't do SFU any good
having their name attached with such a problem. People have not
even received their tickets that they paid for, as posted
earlier this week!

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Hello,,,Looking for Help.....
Date: 24 Mar 2000 22:57:53 GMT

>Can anyone help me to find a picture of a Bagpiper..........

Done!
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Raistlin88)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Band Chanters
Date: 24 Mar 2000 23:28:34 GMT

Our band just bought some Gibson chanters.  Partly because we live 4 hours away
from his shop and I take lessons at his shop, but we still did the research and
his is the best chanter we found.  It has more volume then the  sheperd and
other chanters and is brighter.  The sheperd can get pretty down in the dumps,
and if you bring it up to pitch you have to tape it all to hell to get it in
tune.  The gibson also has many reeds that go very well in it.  We've also been
able to get all of chanters to balance perfectly (c, e, hi a low a in tune with
drones) without any tape.  And the most important thing, they all match very
well, we have gotten a great sound with them.  They're so well matched if we
put one piece of tape on a note on one chanter, we end up putting a piece of
tape in the exact same spot on every other chanter.
but that's just my 2 cents,
Casey

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From: "John Mitchell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Band Chanters
Date: 24 Mar 2000 18:32:55 -0500

Raistlin88 <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> Our band just bought some Gibson chanters.  Partly because we live 4 hours
away
> from his shop and I take lessons at his shop, but we still did the
research and
> his is the best chanter we found.  It has more volume then the  sheperd
and
> other chanters and is brighter

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From: [e-mail] (Raistlin88)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time-revised
Date: 24 Mar 2000 23:33:20 GMT

My wood 99 gibson has been my biggest work horse with my lawries.  I also like
the Naill a lot but it's harder to tune and doesn't have as much volume, but it
does have a nice deep rich tone.  The only reason I have 2 naills and 2 gibson
is because I broke a naill and a gibson ( only one was my fault) and I got new
ones, but now the old ones are repaired.  I don't play any of the plastics with
my Lawries, once you go wood you'll never go back.
Casey

>
>On 24 Mar 2000 20:18:50 GMT, [e-mail] (Raistlin88) wrote:
>
>>1 98 wood gibson
>>1 99 wood gibson
>>2 wood naills
>>1 plastic sheperd
>>1 plastic war Mac
>
>So which one(s) do you play with your Lawries?
>
>Chris
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>
>
>
>
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From: "JOHN BROADWELL" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) The Cuillin!!
Date: 24 Mar 2000 23:37:42 -0000

Sorry, "The Battle of Bealach nam Brog" was set close to Ben Wyvis near
Dingwall in the old county of Ross and Cromarty on the mainland of Scotland.

The battle on Skye, was a fight,  between those old enemies, the Macleods
and the MacDonalds and took place at the lonely Harta Corrie, just below the
North East end of the Cuillin ridge.

According to Stainforth, the MacLeods were driven back to a defensive
position after fighting all day, to a point beside an enormous boulder, now
known as "The Bloody Stone" where they were all slaughtered. Their bodies
were piled up around the stone and legend says that the fairies used the
bones to make bows and arrows with.

No date was attached to this incident and apparently it was not commemorated
with a piobaireachd. A further and apparently last battle between these
clans over "The one eyed woman"  took place in Coire na Creiche, "Corrie of
the Spoils" in 1601, just below the North West part of the Cuillin ridge .
So if this was the last battle which took place in 1601, then it doesn't
take much working out that the battle at the "Bloody Stone" was from an
earlier time.

PHEW!!!!! Glad I managed to sort all that out!!!! :-) ;-) :-)

Do I really do all this for fun!!!!???? or am I just a sad person???!!

Slainte

John B



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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 24 Mar 2000 22:56:35 GMT

>Hoyt-Clagwell ...

I thought it was a Hoyt "ClagSwell" I love that show...
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (PiperFDNY)
Subject: (bagpipe) NYC Fire Dept. Pipes & Drums
Date: 24 Mar 2000 22:03:18 GMT

The New York City Fire Department Emerald Society Pipes and Drums have just
finished recording their New album (CD I believe its now called). Our last one
was recorded in the early 80's..........The new CD is available from our web
site at:

WWW.FDNYPipesandDrums.com

Check out the Web site  and Check out the CD......

There are also New T-Shirts, Golfshirts and patches available is
interested.......

Hope your St. Patricks Day was safe !!!!!!



Brian
FDNY Pipes and Drums

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From: Richard Evans <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: FOR SALE: Cuillin mountain range on the Isle of Skye
Date: 25 Mar 2000 00:13:07 +0000

>Chief John faces restoration expenses of over ú4,000,000 for Dunvegan itself.
>After taxes, and other Estate improvements, he will have essentially none of
>the funds available for his personal use. It is important to understand that
>
>the Associated Clan MacLeod Societies is not a financial organization, and as
>such does not have the capability to intervene.
>
>I know that all of us support him fully, and thank him for his exceptional
>effort to preserve that focus of our heritage as a Highland Clan, Dunvegan
>Castle."
>

This subservient, crawling attitude is revolting. The land in question
was taken by force, and should be returned to public ownership. The clan
chiefs were responsible for the depopulation of the Highlands during the
Clearances, treating their tenants as animals.
Modern society owes their descendants nothing.

Richard

--
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From: JOHN MITCHELL <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) does it really matter about product?
Date: 25 Mar 2000 00:22:25 GMT

Shawn Husk <[e-mail]> wrote in
> Pipes don't matter. Reeds don't matter. Chanter reeds
> don't matter. Chanters don't matter (much). This is all
> absolutely true.

Shawn, definitely have to disagree here. While many products
can produce a decent sound, the results can vary with
the reed/chanter combination.

See my web site:
http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Opera/3901/stage1.html

> What matters is knowledge and skill. A
> knowledgeable and skillful piper can take any set of
> reeds, and any set of pipes and any chanter and reed
> and get them to perform in a reasonable fashion with
> good tone.

This is a half truth, there are some chanters out there
that are just Ho-hum, and there's nothing you can do
with them.

See: http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Opera/3901/stage2.html

> Give Alasdair a set of whatevers and some whatevers
> reeds and a whatever chanter and he will set them up
> based on his knowledge and when he plays them with HIS
> skill they will sound great. Guaranteed. The same would
> apply to any number of the worlds top players.

About 2 years ago, I heard Alasdair in Recital. His pipes were
the usual steady eddy, with magnificent tone. And that was
with a cracked Naill Chanter too.

> Everyone get's so engrossed in "What's the best
> drones/chanter/reeds?!" ad nauseum and it's just crazy.

Yea, there's no best "brand" to buy, like in sports products for
example.

After playing 6 different sets of pipes from the recognized top
makers of the world, I've just decided to settle on a maker
that I can believe in. I know his product well and I've personally
been successful with Gibson products in 2 premier bands now.

Setup is the most important factor too. The Detroit Band went
from being the worst sounding band on Saturday at Alma, to the
best sounding Band the next day.
By the time we reached Maxville, we had won the Medley
Contest at the North Americans, and were turning heads at the
96 Worlds competition in Grade 2. Same players, same instruments,
Same reeds, but different methods in band setup.















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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: FOR SALE: Cuillin mountain range on the Isle of Skye
Date: 25 Mar 2000 00:34:05 GMT

>This subservient, crawling attitude is revolting. The land in question
>was taken by force, and should be returned to public ownership. The clan
>chiefs were responsible for the depopulation of the Highlands during the
>Clearances, treating their tenants as animals.
>Modern society owes their descendants nothing.
>
>Richard
>
>--
>Richard Evans
>
No matter if that's true or not, should we hold the modern ancestors resonsible
for the actions of their forefathers?
If we do, then where does it stop
? Next we'll hold Chris Eyre responsible for the wrongs against ours 700 years
ago? I mean it DOES have to stop somewhere. I believe it's being sold for no
profit, to repair the castle, a very good cause.
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: ccc31807 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 24 Mar 2000 17:04:52 -0800

In article <8bgnfi$lf5$[e-mail]>, oshpiper <oshpiper@my-
deja.com> wrote:
>So, was "asshole" in the 2,001?

Nope. We can start the third thousand with that one.

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From: [e-mail] (HATHABODHRAN)
Subject: (bagpipe) News From the North Amercian Celtic Arts Festival
Date: 25 Mar 2000 01:16:36 GMT

Went to the Battlefield Band show last night.  The show actually got under way
at 7:30 due to a misprint on the tickets, but it was the typical great show.
The guys were obviously a bit jet lagged due to the show beginning at what
would be 2:30 am for their biological clocks, but what the hell, they are
musicians.  Many of us have done all night gigs.  John McCusker was manning the
music and books table and he was very amiable about signing my wife's music
book.  Really decent folks.  They did two shows last night.

The clinics.  The two drumming clinics I went to were two students to Duncan
Millar.  So I had Duncan's teaching pretty much to myself for the entire
morning.  As usual, with SFU you learn a tremendous amount of information.
Thus far, the festival has had a pretty good turn out for pipers, dancers and
fiddlers.  Not a lot of drummers.

More tomorrow.  P.S.  I had lunch with Royce.  I have no idea why the newsgroup
has such fear of Royce.  He only threatened to take over the world once while
we ate lunch.

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From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions
Date: 25 Mar 2000 01:52:34 GMT

1 set Shepherd S-6 with MK11 blackwood chanter. L and M. bag
1 Sinclair 1999-98 BW chanter, My main squeeze ( besides my penny pinching wife
Kim ).
1 Hughes cocobolo mouthblown smallpipes in key of A, 3 drone,  full mounted  in
horn, beaded and combed. Actually have to wait  9 weeks for arrival, ordered
two weeks ago.
1 Korg CA - 20 TUNER with an downloaded set of Chris H's instructions
1 Sony tuner, no longer in general use.
Spare batteries for same and Korg.
1 weird mike made for a guitar but will plug in to Korg 20 and show pipers
where they are tuning themselves and how they are blowing, not as good as
manometer for later, came with ten feet of cord.
1 Shepherd blackwood full size PC, hand picked by famous piper for Doctor Pekar
and " stolen " from him by me. Sweet! Reeded with a small pipe reed.
1 Gibson full size blackwood chanter with PM Watson PC reed. Very nice!
2 bar towels, one Guiness, one Bass Ale
50 Shepherd old 1998 or so chanter reeds from Sandy Keith, what can I say I
like to hoard.
1 set Rockets, they rock
1 set back up EZ'S waiting to go to ZU for re- treading
2 universal tube type water traps
1 Special, no -retie of  stock. In stock type water trap ( in my pipes ) of my
desighn.
Push it in with PVC PIPE SECTION pull it out with coathanger tool. Made from
standard plumbing parts but the plug with hole in center ( rubber plumbing
washer )  may only be good for ID of Shepherd stocks. Cost less than 1.50. Very
secure in stock.
1 medium  large size tackle box with PC REEDS, black waxed hemp, pipe cutter.
files, backwood dust and resin, plumbers tape, brushes, mops. dreadnought
seasoning  and on and on.
1 spare Land M medium bag
10 Mojoe charms to keeps Mauve's spells off  me and Dave and our pipes.

The Mojoe charms being the most important item on the list!
 Much more stuff but I am in the Guiness again and I never really took an
official inventory less my wife total the dollar value up and snatch my Master
Card for good.

Want list, one Deger electronic chanter.

Cheers,

Jim



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From: Sonar 821 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pakistani upgrading
Date: 24 Mar 2000 22:04:50 -0500

Zudupiper wrote:
>
> >I`ve bought a set of pakistani pipes and can`t get sound
> >from the chanter. What kind of upgrading does it need?
> >Is it enough to buy a quality chanter reed?
>
> Absolutely not.  The Paki chanter is crap and horribly lowpitched, which
> matches the drones which are also designed to tune at about 1920"s pitch.
>
> Get yourself an adequate, used plastic chanter for about $75, a set of Wygent
> drone reeds for $60 and you should be able to sound not unlike a piper if you
> have a competent piper set them up for you.  Don't forget to replace the
> flapper valve.
>
> Oh yes, retie all the stocks because they're probably loose, and season the bag
> with some proper stuff, not the semi-solid stuff that comes with the pipes.  If
> that works, you can hold off on the purchase of a new bag for a while.  The
> blowpipe/ stock probably won't crack for a couple weeks.
>
> Been there, done that, selling the pipes for $400.
>
> Zu

I am there and am doing that now, I'd get better if i could afford it
but right now I'v
two kids in college so its going to be a while. My question is what is
your recomandation for replaceing the flapper valve?


Sonar 821

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shaving Gilmour Reeds
Date: 24 Mar 2000 16:08:33 GMT



> From a fellow Chris Reed Slayer ...
>
> Just don't overdo the shaving. You might have to blow it in a bit.
> It'll get easier and more balanced as it breaks in.
>
> Rule #1: You can always take more off, but you can't put it back on.
>
> Chris
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Chris Hamilton
> [e-mail]
> http://toneczar.freeservers.com/

That's why it's so great to learn some reedmaking and adjustment
techniques from our classical woodwind friends--you can learn how to
take off very, very small amounts of cane in very specific areas of the
reed. Learning how to properly use a reedmaking knife, mandrel, and
plaque (thin metal lozenge inserted between the reed blades to support
the blades while you're working on each side) definitely beats the use
of sandpaper, emory boards, and paint scrapers or whatever. Cheers, Thom


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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: How to buy a bagpipe
Date: 24 Mar 2000 12:16:53 -0500

Ron Bowen wrote:

Ron that was great,and I agree with every word!!!!

Unfortunately,very,very,very few modern makers can stand up to that kind
of scrutiny.
I'd say roughly 20%.

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From: [e-mail] (TomandSuny)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cracked stocks
Date: 25 Mar 2000 03:12:36 GMT

>It never got worse and I never had it repaired.
>I won't say not to get it repaired, but in at least my case it never
>developed
>into a problem.

You are quite right. Most of these cracks stabilize quickly and will not grow
if you stay away from extreme environments.

BY the way, I would also be careful about repairs. epairs themselves can cause
instability in the wood matrix and result in more cracks!

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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: GOOD NEWS Re: Stolen Pipes
Date: 25 Mar 2000 03:56:23 GMT

[e-mail] wrote:
> It is now in the hands of the Norfolk Police Department. I will post to
> the newsgroup as soon as the case is officially solved.
>
> Thanks to everyone who offered words of encouragement this week. The
> Guinness will be on me at the games this summer!

Hot Damn! I wouldn't have given you two cents for your chances! Good
thing you worked the PR magic fast!

(One -could- chalk it up to the "Guardian Angel of Piping" or "GAP" for
short . . .)

Best,
Andrew
--
Andrew & Kristen Lenz
[e-mail]
Santa Cruz, California U.S.A.

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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Book of Measurements
Date: 25 Mar 2000 04:06:59 GMT

Heather Wiens wrote:
> Does anyone know where I might be able to purchase a book/pamphlet which
> provides drone/stock diameters, externally identifiable features so as
> to make heads or tails out of bagpipes which are older? This might take
> some of the guess work out of identifying so-called "vintage" pipes!

I don't believe one exists. I suggested that someone write one a month
or two ago. Here was the responses for those who missed it:

==============================================================
Newsgroups:                rec.music.makers.bagpipe


In article <[e-mail]>,
  Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]> wrote:

> There are definite characteristics that these experts look for to
I.D. a
> set of pipes. It's just a matter of writing this stuff down and taking
> sample photos.

Trouble is, you can't always reference a photo.  For example, makers
used combing tools with 24, 25, 26, etc..., threads per inch.  So even
though a bass bottom joint might have the same look as another, you
won't be able to identify with 100% confidence until you lay a thread-
gage onto the combing.

Same goes for beading.  Unless you lay tooling, which is known to have
come out of a certain maker's shop, onto the piece, you're just
speculating.

Here's one more thing to consider.  Let's say you send your pipes in
for restoration.  The person doing the work had better have tooling
which duplicates the original.  If he does, in fact, have the same
tooling which was used to turn the original, any attempt to prove the
part was a replacement would prove futile.  What I'm trying to say is,
if a service center has the tooling and a skilled craftsman, you won't
be able to tell a replaced part from the original.  Those pipes would
still earn a certification as "original" even though one would not be
merited.

Take a look at the larger bore of the bass bottom of pre-WWI Lawries to
the narrower bore of Lawries made between the wars.  If I had a set of
the older pipes I wanted to sell, and I needed a bass bottom joint, do
you think I would search for one made before WWI, or simply get a newer
one and have the bore opened to original spec.?

Ultimately, you have to ask yourself if you'd rather own and play an
instrument which is all original (earing a certificate), yet pinned to
smithereens, or have new pieces made to original spec.  Either way,
you'll have to find a craftsman qualified to do the work.

If you play and buy an instrument which speaks for itself, a
certificate is just one more useless scrap.

I've got a "Rolex" (we call 'em "fool-exs") I purchased in Po'hang, S.
Korea for $20.  It's got a certificate though.  That makes it a real
Rolex, doesn't it?

Mark
=================================================================
         Date:                Sat, 19 Feb 2000 19:07:47 GMT
        From:                "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
 Newsgroups:                rec.music.makers.bagpipe

All excellent points, Markalee.  When I do an appraisal, I write
statements like "appears to be a replacement part" or "all parts appear
to be original".  I try to pay very close attention to "clues 'n hints"
like inconsistencies in combing, beads, wood, design, mounts, etc.  At
the end of the day, it is possible for an appraisal to be faulty or for
appraisers to disagree on make and value.  But this is very consistent
with appraisals of all sorts.

A certificate is a piece of paper.  As always, the proof is in the pipe
(bagpipe that is).

Ringo
==================================================================

There you have it.
Andrew
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[e-mail]
Santa Cruz, California U.S.A.

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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross Canister Bag
Date: 25 Mar 2000 00:08:00 -0400

>Perhaps, you're forgetting: airtight seasoning, massaging,
>draining, cutting, tying, retying because to didn't tie it tight
>enough, untying to insert a watertrap, taking out the blowstick
>to empty the water trap, etc, etc.....


Sounds like bad management to me !   you are comparing apples and
oranges......3 L&M bags...never retied anything...no need to untie to insert
watertrap(many convenient models available)

let me see......would it be easier for me to do things like removing
blowstick to dump spit.....or would it be easier to apply tent waterproofing
to my rubber bag

>hide or sheep skin bag in which they could give a little more
>moisture to their chanter reed than their drones (or vice
>versa), I will admirably bow down.
>
>Until then.....ROSS FOREVER!!!!


OK Sean......on behalf of Ross, I thank you for your enthusiastic
support...............

meanwhile I'd rather just play my pipes and NOT have to give them a mid life
refit every 6 or 12 months

David
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From: [e-mail] (BostonPiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: ATTN: N.Y. Be on the look-out for my pipes
Date: 25 Mar 2000 04:42:07 GMT

The best of luck to you, Jim. Keep us posted. We're all pulling for a happy
ending.

-Adam

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From: [e-mail] (BostonPiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Saved by the case
Date: 25 Mar 2000 04:56:36 GMT

On my way to band practice yesterday, my car was struck from behind by a young
lady who was doing something other than driving. Everything in the car was
thrown around, and my seat was snapped off the foundation. When I sat back up,
I pulled the car off the road. I hobbled back to check on the young lady that
hit me. It seemed she had been momentarily knocked unconscious from being
struck in the head by the airbag (she was leaning forward to retrieve something
from the floor of her car when she hit me).

After I had explained to her what it was she was doing sitting on the side of
the road and after I had ascertained that she didn't immediately need an
ambulance, ran back to my car pulled out my pipes, and inspected them. Safe and
sound they were. They hadn't moved an inch within the case. When I bought my
pipes, I bought the most expensive case the shop had, the one with the separate
drone holders.

After that, I merrily checked myself in to the emergency room. (It took the
doctor three hours just to get the smile off my face). -JK

Seriously, I'm doing fine, and so are my pipes. Let this be a lesson to
everyone, spend the extra cash for a good case, and make sure your pipes are
insured.

Be well,

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From: [e-mail] (Ryan Jones)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 25 Mar 2000 05:14:19 GMT

>and since you are still continuing this thread...I guess it IS REALLY
>Bothering
>you.....you still should Get A Life !!!!!!!

I am not bothered just bored.  But you my friend are still an asshole.

[e-mail], oops.... I mean Ryan Jones.  (I have nothing to hide)
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From: [e-mail] (Ryan Jones)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 25 Mar 2000 05:23:43 GMT

>Mr. Jones, if you disagree with something I say here, and you
>obviously do, rebutting whatever you find disagreeable is fine.
>However, to disparage my playing ability without hearing me play
>is simply irresponsible.  Am I an open player? Not even close!
>Hell, I don't even compete.  I think you were only speculating
>about my musical talents, but this would be similar to me calling
>your mother ugly when haven't seen her.

You are actually only partially right.  I know that you are not a good player
because, first all of the questions and posting you make to this NG are
elementary and simple.  Second, a good player would know enough about the
piping scene not to post your original comment.  So therefore from this
information I drew a conjecture that you are probably not a good player and
that assumption was correct, right?

>You disagreed with my
>post and I can respect that but you have no idea what kind of
>piper I am.  I think for only being serious about playing for a
>few years I play a pretty mean pipe!

You are quite right, I did disagree with your post.  But the reason I was
offensive to you was because of the offensive nature your post to myself.  I
can only wish that you will one day play a pretty mean pipe, but this debate is
currently not going to help on your way.

If my reply was offensive to you I apologize, but it is important that you
realize that it was bound to be hurtful to others.  Actually I am not usually
difficult to get along with, except for with Bill on occasion :>)

BTW please call me Ryan, Mr. Jones is a tad to formal for my tastes.

Sincerely,

Ryan Jones

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From: Brian Counihan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Schwing!
Date: 22 Mar 2000 16:28:03 GMT

Chris,
Thanks for the loveley day in Maryland at your wedding. Laurie the
girls and myself had a wonderful time. You new set of Roddy pipes are
excelent in tone and presentaion. Long may they give you pleasure. (Oh
the same for Heather to!)
May the Gods bless you both and may you have a long and wonderfull
marriage.
--
Brian C.
http://www.stcolumcille.com/
"If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it
makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy


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From: ccc31807 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Band Chanters
Date: 24 Mar 2000 10:01:39 -0800

We bought 15 Shepherd poly band chanters last year, through a NA
dealer. Basically, price was the primary comparison, but we only
considered the most popular chanters. Shepherd had the best deal.

We also purchased several dozen Shepherd reeds as well, but to
date have discovered that we really don't need the reeds, as our
old reeds (McPhee and McLellan) do better.

The chanters are somewhat low pitched, and give a nice, full
sound, are forgiving to play, and match acceptably. You probably
can find better chanters, but the Shepherds are perfectly
adequate for our needs, and we are very happy with them.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) ATTN: N.Y. Be on the look-out for my pipes
Date: 24 Mar 2000 19:36:55 GMT

There is a chance my family heirloom set of Henderson drones is en route
to New York. They were stolen on St. Patrick's Day in a pub in Norfolk,
Va. They are set up with a large L&M elkhide bag and a wooden Naill
chanter. The drones are connected with green silk cords.

I know the name of the person who has them and am working wih the police
and the U.S. Navy to get them returned and have him prosecuted.

Please pass the word.

If you have ANY information about my pipes, please call me at:

757-623-4262 home
757-864-8150 work

Jim Roberts


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From: [e-mail] (Piper Dave Lee)
Subject: (bagpipe) Strathspey
Date: 25 Mar 2000 06:45:03 GMT

Can someone tell me in simple terms what are the characteristics of a
Strathspey?

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From: [e-mail] (Piper Dave Lee)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pakistani upgrading
Date: 25 Mar 2000 06:47:15 GMT

I already had a HArdie chanter and bought a set of Pakis to go with it. It
works fairly well

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From: [e-mail] (Piper Dave Lee)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: plastic versus cane
Date: 25 Mar 2000 06:51:18 GMT

The cane sound richer to me, but the plastic are a breeze to play. I will
personaly take the sacrifice.

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From: [e-mail] (Piper Dave Lee)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 25 Mar 2000 06:49:17 GMT

Its a piece of rubber, which covers the lower holes to produce  the A note so
you can tune

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From: roland behunin <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) [e-mail]
Date: 18 Mar 2000 09:43:20 -0700

Hi Phil,

Late last night I logged onto IRC... and it showed a weird address of
@number.webpipe.net now today it is showing a numeric addy again.

strange
roland


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From: [e-mail] (TomandSuny)
Subject: (bagpipe) ABC to BMW converter?
Date: 20 Mar 2000 23:03:30 GMT

Does anyone know if BMW can import ABC files? A friend says he tried and it BMW
does not support ABC file format. True or not?

If not, does anyone know of an ABC to BMW file format convertor?

Thanks to whom ever helps!

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From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Setup
Date: 20 Mar 2000 17:20:15 -0400

A classic question ! !

First find yourself an experienced piper...............

then buy volume 2 of the college of piping tutor series (orange cover),
yellow hemp preferably with wax impregnated (if not get some bees wax), a
roll of black waxed hemp, 3 small stoppers, 5 large stoppers, a can of
airtight seasoning(if they have a cowhide bag)......

read the book.....twice.........

and LAST....get yourself an experienced piper to help you

this ain't no piano.......you will need to know more than just how to "lift
the lid"

David
McGriff International wrote in message ...
>Greetings,
>
>I just purchased a set of GHB, used.  I have no idea how to set them up for
>playing, as this is my first set.  They are completely disassembled, with
>the stocks still on the bag.  Reeds have been removed.  How do I reassemble
>them?  Tune them?  Any help would really be appreciated.
>
>Best regards,
>WB
>IFCPD
>
>



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From: "Mark McFadden" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) McFaddens Reel
Date: 25 Mar 2000 09:52:55 -0000

I'm 10 years old and have been playing a practice chanter for 7 months .
Does anyone have the music for McFaddens Reel or another tune called
McFaddens Favourite?
Patrick McFadden age 10



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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 25 Mar 2000 11:30:39 GMT

>BTW please call me Ryan, Mr. Jones is a tad to formal for my tastes.
>

And you can call her "Rach" since your both the same age (17). So kiss and make
up, get married, have kids, get divorced, and make each other miserable every
weekend for 18 years. Because thats the meaning of life.
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pakistani upgrading
Date: 25 Mar 2000 11:38:36 GMT

> bought a set of Pakis to go with it.

And yet you still call yourself a piper?
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: News From the North Amercian Celtic Arts Festival
Date: 25 Mar 2000 11:47:11 GMT

>I have no idea why the newsgroup
>has such fear of Royce.  He only threatened to take over the world once while
>we ate lunch.
>

YOU, YOU, YOU MEAN YOU FED HIM???????  Were doomed now.
 Next time read the sign hanging around his neck that says "Do not feed the
animal!" It's there for our own protection....
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: ferraridrones <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: News From the North Amercian Celtic Arts Festival
Date: 25 Mar 2000 03:41:20 -0800

Know what you mean... about Royce that is... being a BYU Alum... Royce?
Anyway... picked him up at the airport, had diner with him, sat at
concert together... and felt like I was in the company of a
teddy-bear... but he does know how to enjoy life, even at our expence
on the NG... now I know were some of the political BS is coming from
here in this area... wont reveal anything else... too many people here
too sensitive about everything... you can't even sneeze without getting
your head handed back to you.

SFU in fine form... they have tweeked things up a notch lately... using
Meg-Ross and Sheppard chanter reeds... with a frigging huge amount of
SFU adjustment... that means; the reed is no longer how it originally
was made... they wittle like nobody's business... file to save their
lives, and use the reed tools extensively... a lot to be learned right
there. They are achieving the pitch desired by tweeking the reed more
than has been seen before, allowing for use of less tape than before by
them... that alone shows that they are growing in an area that has
always been their strong suite, but not quite conquered... maybe now
they have done that.  It is no wonder that Ian Whitelaw is the reed
magician he is... as he said today... "don't be afraid to destroy reeds
in an attempt at learning... you learn something even when you destroy
a reed... many reeds have way too much material left on them for them
to vibrate fully"... and when he says fully... watch out, you could get
cut standing too close when the knife comes out... "the blade has to be
free of all the excess and then you can tweek it"... using tools.  I've
known all this stuff before... but to the degree that Ian was
shaving... never seen anyone go that far.  The reed looked almost
transparent... like the oboe reeds I've had to use when playing Oboe...
then he mentioned the very same observation... and he has friends that
are oboest's... they use infrared lamps to insure uniformaty after
shaving their reeds... could this be their next step?  He sidestepped
that issue by saying it is something to consider. This could be
the/their next step... I've been around this line of answering a
question with a sidestep statement before with them... they believe
that there is no final answer... only a place to be right now in
possibility.  I know that a clip on transducer can be used to check how
a reed is vibrating (clips to chanter... measures how reed/chanter work
together)... and they know of this as well... but the real take-home
message... use the knife, file and tools more in getting the reed to
vibrate freely... all the fancy gismo's may just be fluff if you don't
master the basics. Which, in the end is how the greats stay great...
hard work on the basics... and more hard work on the basics... the only
secret is no secret... only hard work.

Slainte


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From: ferraridrones <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Dunfion Pipes
Date: 25 Mar 2000 04:03:26 -0800

I have play a few sets... one student owns a set... they are quite
nice... do check them out first... if you like the sound... but not the
price... check out Kron.  His price/workmanship is worth the listen.
Check out Ron Bowens thred on "How to buy a bagpipe"  The info in it
will best help when making a choice.


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From: [e-mail] (Bduty)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kids and D chanters.......
Date: 21 Mar 2000 00:26:16 GMT

David,
I have a set of Shepherd SSPs in D and yes the hole spacing is very tight.  I
have average size hands, but I found it very constricting at first.  I managed
to get used to it after a while and now play the same tunes on the SSPs as the
GHBs.
I think it might be a good way to start out youngsters, especially considering
that the bag pressure needed is minimal.
When they move onto the GHBs (if ever) they will still appreciate playing the
SSPs, or maybe you'll take them up by then.
Bruce
>
>Although I have never seen one, it is my understanding that one of the minor
>problems with instruments in the key of D is that the holes are very close,
>almost too close together.
>
>This being the case, it would appear logical that kids of small stature, and
>wee hands, might better be introduced to D practice chanters and moved to
>our normal chanters when hands have sprouted.
>
>Presumably, the instructor would have to have a D practice chanter as well.
>
>Has anybody tried this ?  Is it feasible ?  If not why not ?
>
>I have a 9 year old grandson who loves drooling down my blowpipe trying to
>keep a couple of drones going, but it was a couple of years before we
>realized that a gluten allergy was stunting his growth.  Problem is solved
>and he is now sprouting,  but he is currently small for his age.
>
>David
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From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: News From the North Amercian Celtic Arts Festival
Date: 25 Mar 2000 13:16:48 GMT

>I have no idea why the newsgroup
>has such fear of Royce.  He only threatened to take over the world once while
>we ate lunch.

Did he have Pinky with him? ( Pinky and the Brain ). "One is a genius the other
is insane"!

Cheers,

Jim

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From: "Matt Buckley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 25 Mar 2000 08:53:31 -0500



Ryan Jones <[e-mail]> wrote


> I am not bothered just bored.  But you my friend are still an asshole.


So now the kid thinks he possesses Churchill's wit.
Not even close.


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From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Frankensteiners
Date: 25 Mar 2000 14:27:16 GMT

Excellent post and good advice!


madman <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Please people,be aware that all that glitters is not gold....
>
> ...sometimes its CRAP!
>
> Unfortunately there are a lot of guys out there who deal in vintage
> pipes and command pretty high prices for what is alleged to be
> a "classic" ,or vintage bagpipe.
> Sometimes you're just buying crap that no one wants,and its a lemon!
>
> You must realize that not every pipe that is alleged to be a
> "henderson Bagpipe" is in fact a Henderson indeed.
> If it acually *is* a Henderson,that alone doesn't mean its
> a good one.
> The name itself doesn't guarantee that the pipe has not been
> retrofitted or have replacement parts or have parts from another maker
> tossed in and refitted.(usually quite poorly,I might add)
> I call them Frankensteins.
>
> There is no guarantee that you are buying something of worth.
> Beware...bring your anti-venom kit with you to the dealer.
> Don't get snake-bitten!
>
> Some (not all) of the old vintage sets out there are exquisite
> gorgeous,masterpieces of workmanship and wood-turning-as-art.
> They're not *that* easy to find!!!
>
>
>
> Day in and day out,I get repairs sent to me that come from
> a set of pipes that was purchased with the intention that the
> set of pipes was an unaltered classic....and since it
> was alleged to be MacDougall or Lawrie or Henderson
> than by definition it *must be good*.
> Were all Hendersons or Lawries made to the same standards of
> quality..NO.
> Were all Hendersons and Lawries made with the same specs?...NO
>
> I always get a chuckle when a guy gets done playing
> and then another guy runs over and asks "what are those..
> Hendersons"...and the other guy says "No, they are Graingers",
> and then the guy asking the question all of a sudden has
> a much lower opinion of the sound that he originally thought was great.
> Get real.
>
>
>
> Perhaps the worst offense(and there are plenty) was on a set of alleged
> Hendersons
> that had SS ferrules hammered *over* real elephant ivory ferrules.
> What a shame.
> They looked AWFUL....but they must *sound good* right..because the
> dealer *told-me* that they're Hendersons!
> Get real.
> Some shoemaker/cowboy really did a number on that set.
> The buyer paid 3000 US for a set of pipes that needed
> about 1500 US in repair work.
> Don't buy a Frankensteiner.



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From: trghil <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North American Celtic Arts Festival/SFU PROBLEMS!
Date: 25 Mar 2000 08:08:43 -0800

I have been doing investigation on this Aurora Music.  This is
their first ever event and they are college students (only 2-3
individuals!)  No wonder their is trouble.

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From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Cocobolo Pipes
Date: 25 Mar 2000 16:34:38 GMT

Does cocobolo turn darker with age as African Blackwood does?
I would be interested to hear from anyone playing cocobolo pipes as regards to
the color and comparision to AB.
The AB Sincliar chanter I bought last year was almost blond but after 10 months
turned a very dark black.

Thanks,

Jim

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From: "Dan Peet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Jerry Gibson
Date: 25 Mar 2000 11:47:35 -0500

Does anybody have a contact number for Jerry Gibson.  Please email private.
Thanks.

Dan



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From: "Matt Buckley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Steadiness and Reed Efficiency
Date: 22 Mar 2000 08:03:02 -0500



Jginmd <[e-mail]> wrote in article

> I have a vacuum cleaner that , when reversed, blows awesome tone. If you
play
> Wygents (and this is only a guess having not heard your pipes) you may
not know what tone is.

I see.  I guess Niagara Regional Police, who just
adopted Dua-tones for their tenor reeds this season,
as well as John Mitchell and many others on the NG
who have spoken regarding their success with Dua-tones or other synthetics,
also do not know what tone is.

I played cane for years.  I am now playing the Dua-tones, having first
struggled to break them in.  Like
many, I opt for the ease of the synthetics vs. the
(very) slight  loss in tone from cane to Dua-tones.

Cheers.  Matt

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time-revised
Date: 24 Mar 2000 21:54:51 GMT

I forgot my chanters:
1 Cushing (plastic)
1 Paki, more epoxy than wood.(but dont tell anyone I'm a "closet Paki owner.")
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: FOR SALE: Cuillin mountain range on the Isle of Skye
Date: 24 Mar 2000 22:00:26 GMT

>  Can you imagine some foreign concern buying up Skye and 'dozing it to put
>in
>a theme park?

Forget it! I just bid $16.1 million for it.
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (MAFF117)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: NYC Fire Dept. Pipes & Drums
Date: 24 Mar 2000 22:12:36 GMT

Nice site !  Thank God for the Firemen!!!


Pat


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: News From the North Amercian Celtic Arts Festival
Date: 25 Mar 2000 18:28:13 GMT

>picked him up at the airport, had diner with him, sat at
>concert together.

Did he ask you to sit on his lap during the concert? That's when you know he
REALLY likes you...
:?)

Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: News From the North Amercian Celtic Arts Festival
Date: 25 Mar 2000 18:31:45 GMT

>Did he have Pinky with him?

If you sit on his lap during a concert, you'll meet "Pinky" allright... (see
other thread if you don't get it)
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: "J McManus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) EMAIL CONTACT - BAIRD, MAGEE and DICKIE
Date: 25 Mar 2000 13:42:59 -0500

I am hoping to establish EMAIL contact with:

Bill Baird - author of March of the Champions Supreme,
Colin Magee - author of Troys Wedding, and
Neil Dickie - author of Clumsy Lover

Thank you - any assistance would be appreciated,

John ([e-mail])





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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Saved by the case
Date: 25 Mar 2000 05:26:20 GMT



BostonPiper wrote:
> It seemed she had been momentarily knocked unconscious from being
> struck in the head by the airbag

Sounds like you were struck by the airhead.

> (she was leaning forward to retrieve something
> from the floor of her car when she hit me).

It was probably her cell phone.
We can pretty much guarantee with wasn't a practice chanter.

Andrew
--
Andrew & Kristen Lenz
[e-mail]
Santa Cruz, California U.S.A.

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From: ferraridrones <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North American Celtic Arts Festival/SFU PROBLEMS!
Date: 25 Mar 2000 03:52:04 -0800

Amazing that you have to come here to bitch about this when all you
have to do is pick up the phone and call them... or stop by the
registration desk at the Marriot Hotel... throwing stones in a glass
house can only make it cold in winter and wet when raining...


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 25 Mar 2000 19:58:31 GMT

In article <8bb8c8$k7b$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] wrote:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> [e-mail] (Beginnertunes) wrote:
> > >Well if the phrase fits...
> >
> > Aye but what makes it fit? Fact is you know nothing about my
> > playing or his.
> > You just use that expression on anyone who pisses you off or
> > disagrees with you.
>
> I may over use the term "hack" a little too much, but I feel it is a
> pretty safe guess that both Rachel MacLellan and this TLER4 fellow
> are pretty poor players.
>
> [...]
>
> PS - This is friendly debate, not the armed conflict of previous
> posts...

This "discussion" has gotten totally out of hand, really on all sides
but most particularly with comments like this.

Most of us don't know each other personally and most likely will never
meet.  We don't have a very clear of each other's playing ability (or
lack of it) except in the rare cases when we know each other or when
someone's articles on the net make it explicit.

I would never put someone down for not being able to play well,  but
I would have little patience with someone who wasn't interested in
improving, or who had a wildly inflated opinion of themselves or of
their own playing.  That might include, for example, playing in
public before you're ready to do so;  however we were all beginners
at one time, and there's no disgrace in that.

Likewise, I wouldn't put someone down for asking an elementary
question, but would have a low opinion of someone who was "ignorant
and proud of it".

But regardless of what one's personal opinion of someone else is, I
can only think of it as childish to express it in this way based on
what we know of each other through the newsgroup.  If all of you really
think this is a discussion worth continuing, please do so via email.

Regards,

Bruce C. Wright


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From: "JOHN BROADWELL" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Piobaireachd:  Known and Un-
Date: 25 Mar 2000 20:07:18 -0000

Thanks for the tip off regarding this new book, I shall indeed keep my eyes
open for it and order a copy.  Hopefully I shall get some of the answers to
"the imponderables" about piobaireachd that my mind is wandering into, I
think the operative word here is wandering :-)

Thanks again.

Slainte

John B

"Jim McGillivray" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Folks:
> If this sort of piobaireachd talk interests you, I strongly recommend a
new book
> that has just come onto the market as of February.  Called "The Highland
Pipe
> and Scottish Society: 1750-1950", it is written by piper and academic
researcher
> William Donaldson.



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From: "Leslie Thomson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Croacking reed
Date: 25 Mar 2000 21:16:47 +0100

Yesterday I tried a Chris Apps reed in my 1960's Hardie chanter, the High A
does a croaking sound and a G grace note on low A or G the thing squeaks.
The B.... thing is new and I'd rather have some suggestions before I try
anything really drastic.

Gracias,
Leslie
The Gaucho Piper



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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 25 Mar 2000 20:46:32 GMT

>This "discussion" has gotten totally out of hand,

Bruce,
I think the opposite is true. What started out as a really dumb argument that
made us all look bad, was turned into a civilized and humorous discussion. I
think Ryan showed a great deal of maturity.

>Most of us don't know each other personally and most likely will never meet.>

You maybe very wrong on that one. I've met many from this NG, and barely missed
meeting many more (saw their names on comp sheets, but couldn't find them)
because it really is a small world in the pipe and drum world.
Don't think that Ryan and I both know we will meet many times over the summer,
and we both know we'd look pretty stupid stickin our tongues out at each other
from across the beer tent.  ;?)~


Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: Shawn Husk <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: does it really matter about product?
Date: 25 Mar 2000 22:47:17 GMT

JOHN MITCHELL wrote:
>
> Shawn Husk <[e-mail]> wrote in
> > Pipes don't matter. Reeds don't matter. Chanter reeds
> > don't matter. Chanters don't matter (much). This is all
> > absolutely true.
>
> Shawn, definitely have to disagree here. While many products
> can produce a decent sound, the results can vary with
> the reed/chanter combination.

I know this John, I was speaking in generalities.

> See my web site:
> http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Opera/3901/stage1.html
>
> > What matters is knowledge and skill. A
> > knowledgeable and skillful piper can take any set of
> > reeds, and any set of pipes and any chanter and reed
> > and get them to perform in a reasonable fashion with
> > good tone.
>
> This is a half truth, there are some chanters out there
> that are just Ho-hum, and there's nothing you can do
> with them.

I agree with you here but the point was that too many
people are bitching and moaning and spending a
gazillion bucks buying every new thing and claiming
"It's the best" and I was trying to point out that
basically if you know what you're doing and you've got
a decent chanter you can get it sounding fine.
Anyway.....

> See: http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Opera/3901/stage2.html
>
> > Give Alasdair a set of whatevers and some whatevers
> > reeds and a whatever chanter and he will set them up
> > based on his knowledge and when he plays them with HIS
> > skill they will sound great. Guaranteed. The same would
> > apply to any number of the worlds top players.
>
> About 2 years ago, I heard Alasdair in Recital. His pipes were
> the usual steady eddy, with magnificent tone. And that was
> with a cracked Naill Chanter too.
>
> > Everyone get's so engrossed in "What's the best
> > drones/chanter/reeds?!" ad nauseum and it's just crazy.
>
> Yea, there's no best "brand" to buy, like in sports products for
> example.
>
> After playing 6 different sets of pipes from the recognized top
> makers of the world, I've just decided to settle on a maker
> that I can believe in. I know his product well and I've personally
> been successful with Gibson products in 2 premier bands now.
>
> Setup is the most important factor too. The Detroit Band went
> from being the worst sounding band on Saturday at Alma, to the
> best sounding Band the next day.
> By the time we reached Maxville, we had won the Medley
> Contest at the North Americans, and were turning heads at the
> 96 Worlds competition in Grade 2. Same players, same instruments,
> Same reeds, but different methods in band setup.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

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From: ferraridrones <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: News From the North Amercian Celtic Arts Festival
Date: 25 Mar 2000 15:15:11 -0800

To set things right... or is that left... well anyway, Royce is here
with his wife... they sat in the row in front of us during Battlefield
concert... he had taken the sign off guys... but with his wife there...
guess who had the reins...

Missed the ceilidh last night... had an injury flare up bad... was on
meds, and before I knew what was going on I was passed out at home
before 10pm... and I'm a night owl... shit. Bruce, Royce and others
will have to fill in the details...

Slainte,

Ian


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From: ferraridrones <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North American Celtic Arts Festival/SFU PROBLEMS!
Date: 25 Mar 2000 15:23:52 -0800

Aurora Music is owned by Dan Stuart... was started by Craig Coleby two
and a half years ago. Craig has produced many concerts for Jon Schmidt
and other New Age artists, the BYU Presidential Elections, the concert
last year with SFU... non of this is new for them... they have a staff
of 10, and not just for NACAF... next time... go directly to the horse
instead of it's arse.




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From: "Chris Eyre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Help me out here!
Date: 21 Mar 2000 12:24:50 -0000

Their 1995 Selection was:
The tune is called "Farewell To Camraw".
It was in their 1994 Worlds Selection and it is in Bob Mathieson Book 2
along with the harmonies.

Chris Eyre


SirJ1314 <[e-mail]> wrote in message
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| I'm truly sorry to add to the growing pile pointless postings on this NG,
but
| this has been driving me crazy.  I'm trying to get the name of a slow air
so
| that I can then try to locate the music.  I'm pretty sure the slow air was
| played by Shotts and Dykehead in their 1995 medley.  I don't have the CD,
but I
| just a band play it the other day and I can't get it out of my mind and
it's
| driving me crazy!  It begins on Low A then a grip to E held for about 2
and a
| half beats, followed by 1/8 notes of Low A, C, E, and F, then E held for 2
1/2
| beats again.  Then a 4th note on High A, then F held for 2 1/2 beats
followed
| by 8th notes of E, D, F, F, then E held for 2 1/2 beats.  Got that?  OK,
now
| lets play "Guess that tune" or you could just look on your CD sleeve for
the 95
| worlds.  It would really help me out and save me a sleepless night :)
thank
| you and sorry once again



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From: "Michael McWilliams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bagpipe Related Tattoos...
Date: 21 Mar 2000 22:28:59 GMT

I haven't been hanging around hereabouts for too long...and I may have just
fallen off the proverbial turnip truck...but...

I hereby nominate this message as the grand winner in the THE INNOVATIVE
TROLL OF THE MONTH competition! ! !

Do I have a second?

PS: LongPiper...to paraphrase a classic line from Braveheart..."Some men's
chanters are longer than others."

Slαinte!

Michael McWilliams
Cohasset, MA

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> I'm thinking of getting a tattoo of somethig bagpipe related.
> Does anyone have any WORTHWHILE suggestions?  If you have
> something in gif or jpg format and would send it to me that would
+*> be great.  Or if you can tell me where to find the pic that would
> be fine also.  If anyone else has piping tats let me know...My
> fiance recommended I have chanter holes tattooed on my 'Big
> Chanter'.  Any suggestions?
>
> LongPiper
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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: reccomendations on Blackwood P/Cs
Date: 22 Mar 2000 00:33:44 GMT

>I am currently looking for a new P/C and would like to get a few
>> opinions.

Cushing Plastic.
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: T-Shirt Masterpiece
Date: 22 Mar 2000 02:22:06 GMT

>Full frontal image of Donald
>>Muir, 42nd Royal Highland Regiment of Foot, Crimean War, portrat

As long as he is not in " full Monty" and making a public testicle out of
himself!

Sorrry Ringo, into the Guinesse tonight.

Jim

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From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Something Special
Date: 26 Mar 2000 00:20:17 GMT

Check out "Something Special" on Ringo's Bagpipe Pages.  Tell me what you
think and who you think made them!  By the way, that white stuff is the real
thing.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/ron_bowen

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From: Don Robertson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Something Special
Date: 25 Mar 2000 16:40:40 -0800

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
Those are mine, and I want them back !!!
<br>just kidding folks.
<br>Ron, those are some "STUNNING" pipes.
<br>Cheers
<br>Don
<p>Ron Bowen wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Check out "Something Special" on Ringo's Bagpipe
Pages.  Tell me what you
<br>think and who you think made them!  By the way, that white stuff
is the real
<br>thing.
<br><a href="http://www3.sympatico.ca/ron_bowen">http://www3.sympatico.ca/ron_bowen</a>
<p>Ringo</blockquote>
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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 22 Mar 2000 13:27:22 -0500

ferraridrones wrote:
>
>
> We have... including your reeds... it DIDN'T HELP!!!
Gee Cusack and Gillies and Macey and Livingstone sure are loving life
lately,
must be them real shitty Rockets.



>
> Yes... you can come out, try a set of Booth pipes, it may change your
> perception... or not... I'd love to have you help us figure out why we
> are not getting good tone in the Krons, their workmanship is awesome,
> that's all I can say... and then we can have it out piping wise...
> better yet, why not the next week when Andrew Wright and Iain Macey

Iain Macey!!!!!
You idiot!
He plays KRONS you MORON.
(and Rockets too)

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From: Lurker <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions
Date: 25 Mar 2000 17:03:05 -0800

I thought you would have included the seldom worn glengarry in
that inventory.
Dick



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From: [e-mail] (TLER4)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 26 Mar 2000 01:06:19 GMT

>So now the kid thinks he possesses Churchill's wit.
>Not even close.

I still think he needs to get a life....

[e-mail]


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From: jd <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North American Celtic Arts Festival/SFU PROBLEMS!
Date: 25 Mar 2000 17:18:49 -0800

Ian:

Here is a horse's mouth:  You lie!  Jim Detjen, yes myself,
produced, directed, and created the 1999 SFU concert and
workshops.  No one else, including Craig Coleby, was ever
involved!!!!  And yes...this is new for them and you know it!
Stop lying and get your facts straight.

Jim Detjen

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From: [e-mail] (HATHABODHRAN)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: News From the North Amercian Celtic Arts Festival
Date: 26 Mar 2000 01:23:44 GMT

> now I know were some of the political BS is coming from
>here in this area... wont reveal anything else... too many people here
>too sensitive about everything... you can't even sneeze without getting
>your head handed back to you.

Politics in Utah?!?  Ian, I am shocked.  We all love each other out here, a bit
like the Hatfields and the McCoys!!!

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From: [e-mail] (HATHABODHRAN)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: News From the North Amercian Celtic Arts Festival
Date: 26 Mar 2000 01:19:05 GMT

>Did he have Pinky with him? ( Pinky and the Brain ). "One is a genius the
>other
>is insane"!

I am not sure how many of his personalities came along for the weekend.  I did
meet his wife who was charming.  I would hope they both had an enjoyable time
at the festival.

Bruce

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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North American Celtic Arts Festival/SFU PROBLEMS!
Date: 25 Mar 2000 17:24:10 -0800

h

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From: [e-mail] (HATHABODHRAN)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North American Celtic Arts Festival/SFU PROBLEMS!
Date: 26 Mar 2000 01:29:07 GMT

>Aurora Music is owned by Dan Stuart...

I know Dan as an honorable person who does his best to ensure problems get
resolved.  I hope you contact Dan about the situation with your tickets.  He
did a pretty good job getting this festival organized and moving.  No small job
if you have ever participated in such an event.  Aurora made a mistake with my
tickets as well and it got resolved with one phone call.
Bruce

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From: [e-mail] (HATHABODHRAN)
Subject: (bagpipe) Continuing News From the North American Celtic Arts Festival
Date: 26 Mar 2000 01:37:43 GMT

More great clinics today.  Of particular interest was the clinic developed by
Reid Maxwell on performance.  The bottom line is that you can sway a judge by
your presentation up to the line.  Judge's are looking at bands that exhibit
some pride in their appearance and deportment as bands that take this art
seriously and may get some more consideration in the performance.  Saunter up
to the line running late, wearing shades, grab assing around and the judge will
expect the same attitude in your music.  Sure, looking good may not win the
contest for you, but any little edge helps.

If you went to the festival, I am sure you learned something in the past two
days.  If you didn't have the chance to get here, hope to see some of you next
year.

Bruce

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From: [e-mail] (Ryan Jones)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 26 Mar 2000 01:48:28 GMT

>I still think he needs to get a life....
>
>[e-mail]

I still think that your afraid to reveal yourself....

Ryan

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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Something Special
Date: 26 Mar 2000 01:16:09 GMT

In article <5JcD4.17436$[e-mail]>,
"Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Check out "Something Special" on Ringo's Bagpipe Pages. Tell me what
you
> think and who you think made them!

Very nice.  You know my address.  Just put them in with the T-shirt, eh.

Pat


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From: "grrawe" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Artificially blowing in Chanter Reeds
Date: 26 Mar 2000 02:40:00 GMT

I set up a thing that has an air flow regulator and is run off a small
air compressor.  The chanter reed is then mounted in my practice
chanter and it is hooked up to the air.  Has any body tried this idea
before and what are some thoughts on it?

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From: [e-mail] (Flaboyle)
Subject: (bagpipe) MWPBA Mini-Bands
Date: 26 Mar 2000 03:54:45 GMT

Anyone have any results from the MWPBA indoor Mini-band contest held today in
Chicago?  Interested in Grade III Band results.

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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 23 Mar 2000 07:27:15 -0500

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:21:20 -0500, madman <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>If that were not bad enough,I had some guys in the shop on Tuesday
>checking out phenolics .
>When they both walked thru the door the P/M of the band walks over to me
>sitting at my desk,and says "are you Dave",and I say
>"yeah man,howz it goin?".,
>
>So he starts smiling and says "don't take this the wrong way,but
>we were expecting a black man"
>"A couple of guys told us that you were a black blues man!".
>(i don't even like blues)
>(Chris Hamilton and Zudu,and you other guys who've met me outta be
>on the floor by now)

Yo what up homes?

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Hamilton
[e-mail]
http://toneczar.freeservers.com/

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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time
Date: 23 Mar 2000 11:40:47 -0500

Maeve- you may have a compulsive collector problem- I fI remebr correctly,
back about the time John"suunyboy" mitchell was visiting, you mentioned
something about haveing a third husband around. Now it seem sto me that this
collecting thing has, well, just gotten a wee bit out of hand.   Maye it's
time to unlaod a set or two of pipes- lighten yoru conscience a bit ( aside to
ng- do you think she'll buy it?,. nudge nudge...)

Maeve wrote:

> Okay . .. . I've been thinking about this Big Spree (spending) that I have
> been on over the last month . . . . and thought it was about time to come
> clean!!! Pack the bags . .. . I'm going on a guilt trip! Curiosity has
> gotten the better of me as well. 'Fess up all!!!! How many sets of pipes,
> chanters, etc. do we all have laying around and why??? Personally, I have 2
> sets of GHB, another on its way, a smallpipe to be here any moment, 5
> chanters and 2 practice chanters. Why?!?!? I don't know! I know Lura must
> hold the record for the most practice chanters. Seeing John's stash of
> chanters, I know that I don't hold a candle in that area!!! Being a dealer
> and having a stash doesn't count here! Whew . . . . sounds like drugs!?!?!?
> I'm curious as to the PERSONAL stashes! While I'm at it, I'll clear my
> conscience with another confession and say that I have 5 spinning wheels as
> well. At no point in time can I use more than one of either spinning wheels
> or pipes!!! There are also 7 sets of drone reeds hidden away. Geez!!!!! I
> think I'm feeling better after this confession!! Where's the
> checkbook?!?!?!? Anyone else want to lighten the conscience load here?! It
> might make me feel even better!
>
> --
> Love and Light be with you,
> Maeve . . . in sunny Florida!
> http://people.delphi.com/terralyn
> authoring sandykeith.com
> "To live is the rarest thing in the world.
>  Most people exist, that is all."
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From: [e-mail] (Flaboyle)
Subject: (bagpipe) Dunedin Games
Date: 26 Mar 2000 04:16:07 GMT

Appreciate directions to Dunedin Games from Int. 75, heading north from south
of Tampa.  Thanks!

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From: "STEPHEN PANNONE" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Saved by the case
Date: 25 Mar 2000 23:21:53 -0500


How can I insure my pipes???

thanks
Steve

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BostonPiper <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> On my way to band practice yesterday, my car was struck from behind by a
young
> lady who was doing something other than driving. Everything in the car was
> thrown around, and my seat was snapped off the foundation. When I sat back
up,
> I pulled the car off the road. I hobbled back to check on the young lady
that
> hit me. It seemed she had been momentarily knocked unconscious from being
> struck in the head by the airbag (she was leaning forward to retrieve
something
> from the floor of her car when she hit me).
>
> After I had explained to her what it was she was doing sitting on the side
of
> the road and after I had ascertained that she didn't immediately need an
> ambulance, ran back to my car pulled out my pipes, and inspected them.
Safe and
> sound they were. They hadn't moved an inch within the case. When I bought
my
> pipes, I bought the most expensive case the shop had, the one with the
separate
> drone holders.
>
> After that, I merrily checked myself in to the emergency room. (It took
the
> doctor three hours just to get the smile off my face). -JK
>
> Seriously, I'm doing fine, and so are my pipes. Let this be a lesson to
> everyone, spend the extra cash for a good case, and make sure your pipes
are
> insured.
>
> Be well,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>



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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: How to buy a bagpipe
Date: 26 Mar 2000 05:11:59 GMT

>Unfortunately,very,very,very few modern makers can stand up to that kind
>of scrutiny.
>I'd say roughly 20%.

And 3 of them have the letter "n" in the firm name.

Zu

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From: Andrew & Kristen Lenz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Artificially blowing in Chanter Reeds
Date: 26 Mar 2000 05:21:48 GMT

> I set up a thing that has an air flow regulator and is run off a small
> air compressor.  The chanter reed is then mounted in my practice
> chanter and it is hooked up to the air.  Has any body tried this idea
> before and what are some thoughts on it?

We talked about this last September on the NG. So everyone knows, I sent
Gene my file of copied posts on this subject.

Andrew
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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 26 Mar 2000 05:24:16 GMT

>Whew, if I'm judging somewhere and you use the one-hand "E" to tune
>your drones to, you'll hear about it on the scoresheet.  It's an aural
>assault on the ears!!!!  Oh yes, you'll hear about it.

Great...I'm already playing a 2/4 you don't like, and I can compound that by
tuning to E.  Dinna worry, I'll tune to D and play a different march if you're
judging ; )

Zu





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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pakistani upgrading
Date: 26 Mar 2000 05:35:08 GMT

> My question is what is
>your recomandation for replaceing the flapper valve?

You've got to get a decent Merrick-type (reverse) valve (or make one yourself).
 The Lil Mac is OK I guess, but won't fit into the Paki stock.  I don't like
leather flapper valves because they don't seem to seal as well as other things.

I didn't bother trying a commercial valve (which might need to be trimmed), I
just made one to fit.

Good luck,

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Saved by the case
Date: 26 Mar 2000 05:38:47 GMT

>How can I insure my pipes???
>

Either get a rider on your homeowners' insurance (but you can't play the pipes
professionally if so), or go through the Musicians' Union to insure them as an
instrument.

Musician's Union insurance is about 3 or 4 times as expensive as the
homeowners' rider.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Strathspey
Date: 26 Mar 2000 05:43:21 GMT

>Can someone tell me in simple terms what are the characteristics of a
>Strathspey?
>

It's a foreign type of music to most Americans.  Characterized by extreme
pointing and cutting...in 4/4 time but with a Strong, weak, Medium, weak pulse
that makes more sense if you treat it as if it were in 2/2 time.

It's originally dance music, but competition strathspeys are so heavy that they
can't be played at dance tempo.  Just like competition marches are so heavy
that they're just about useless to march to.

Lift is a big thing in strathspeys.  Does anybody have some for sale?

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Croacking reed
Date: 26 Mar 2000 05:51:40 GMT

>Yesterday I tried a Chris Apps reed in my 1960's Hardie chanter, the High A
>does a croaking sound and a G grace note on low A or G the thing squeaks.
>The B.... thing is new and I'd rather have some suggestions before I try
>anything really drastic.

Sounds like the reed is too easy for the chanter.  You could lightly sandpaper
the edge of the lips (one pass each side) to get rid of the crow, and then use
a mandrel to open up the staple and strengthen the reed, but then the pitch
goes flat, so you might have to shave.

Does the reed work in a modern chanter?

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cocobolo Pipes
Date: 26 Mar 2000 05:48:45 GMT

>Does cocobolo turn darker with age as African Blackwood does?

More so, I think.  A friend has a set of MacLellan cocobolo pipes, and I see
them every couple of months, and every time I remark on how the wood of the
pipes looks darker.  They look like they're 100 years old about now, when in
reality they're about a year.  Spiffy.

>The AB Sincliar chanter I bought last year was almost blond but after 10
>months
>turned a very dark black.

They'll do that.  It's absorbing the oils from your hands.  But the chanter is
the only part of the bagpipe that isn't coated with an external finish, AFAIK.

Zu





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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Artificially blowing in Chanter Reeds
Date: 26 Mar 2000 05:55:32 GMT

>I set up a thing that has an air flow regulator and is run off a small
>air compressor.  The chanter reed is then mounted in my practice
>chanter and it is hooked up to the air.  Has any body tried this idea
>before and what are some thoughts on it?

That might work for blowing-in synthetic drone reeds, but chanter reeds need
some moisture as well as playing time.  Some people have tried this (Maeve I
think?).

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: How to buy a bagpipe
Date: 26 Mar 2000 06:07:26 GMT

>So that would be Gibson, Gibson & Gibson. ;-)

Nope, that's KRON KRON KRON.
I'm surprised you'd havta ask John...  :?)~
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Something Special
Date: 26 Mar 2000 06:24:09 GMT

> Tell me what you
>think and who you think made them!

Are those "bigdaddys" pipes again Ron?
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time-revised
Date: 26 Mar 2000 01:25:55 -0500

On 24 Mar 2000 23:33:20 GMT, [e-mail] (Raistlin88) wrote:

> ...  I don't play any of the plastics with my Lawries,
> once you go wood you'll never go back.

Tell ya what, try a phenolic and then get back to me on that ...

Chris

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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shaving Gilmour Reeds
Date: 24 Mar 2000 08:44:02 -0500

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:23:03 -0500, Chris Thomas
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Well, I'm just about to order a new set of reeds  :).. The last one's much better
>than the first - maybe I'll try messin w/it again to see if I can totally ruin it
><G>
>
> So far, It's me 0, reeds 2 (but I'm gettin' closer)
>
>Chris the reed slayer.

From a fellow Chris Reed Slayer ...

Just don't overdo the shaving.  You might have to blow it in a bit.
It'll get easier and more balanced as it breaks in.

Rule #1:  You can always take more off, but you can't put it back on.

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Chris Thomas <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shaving Gilmour Reeds
Date: 24 Mar 2000 08:23:03 -0500

Well, I'm just about to order a new set of reeds  :).. The last one's much better
than the first - maybe I'll try messin w/it again to see if I can totally ruin it
<G>

 So far, It's me 0, reeds 2 (but I'm gettin' closer)

Chris the reed slayer.

Zudupiper wrote:

>
>
> I'd rather learn from pipers who have successfully done this in the past.  Or
> learn by trial and error.  I've wrecked my share of reeds.  Never called an
> oboist or bassoonist, though.
>
> Zu


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From: "Piper" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting for Suo Gann?
Date: 26 Mar 2000 01:28:34 -0500

It's also in "Weddings and Funerals" which is a cheaply published book with
a green cover and is bound by one of those cheap plastic clamp thingies.  I
loved it though when I heard it played in that Vietnamese war movie...I
think it was "Temple of the Rising Sun" or something like that...you know,
the one with the quire boy who wanted a candy bar...


"Waterfly" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> >It's in one of the "Highland Harmonies" books . .. Sui Gwan, is the
spelling
> >in the book, I believe.
> It's a Welch lullaby, spelled Suo Gan, and it is lovely on the pipes.
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From: "Piper" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting for Suo Gann?
Date: 26 Mar 2000 01:28:34 -0500

It's also in "Weddings and Funerals" which is a cheaply published book with
a green cover and is bound by one of those cheap plastic clamp thingies.  I
loved it though when I heard it played in that Vietnamese war movie...I
think it was "Temple of the Rising Sun" or something like that...you know,
the one with the quire boy who wanted a candy bar...


"Waterfly" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> >It's in one of the "Highland Harmonies" books . .. Sui Gwan, is the
spelling
> >in the book, I believe.
> It's a Welch lullaby, spelled Suo Gan, and it is lovely on the pipes.
>



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From: "Chris Eyre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: How to buy a bagpipe
Date: 24 Mar 2000 08:55:37 -0000

Nice one, Ron. Best post of the week.

Chris Eyre

Ron Bowen <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:5_zC4.5904$[e-mail]...
> This post is in response to current NG activity on the topic and the many
> emails that I've received recently regarding the purchase of a new
bagpipe.
> What is written here may or may not be found elsewhere.  I have no
> commercial interest in posting this.  My only interest is in helping
others.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Piping Centre-New Website
Date: 24 Mar 2000 15:19:31 GMT

I believe the new website is now up and running. Much better than the old one
which hadn't been kept up to date.

Have a look.


http://www.thepipingcentre.co.uk


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From: pg <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) North American Celtic Arts Festival/SFU PROBLEMS!
Date: 24 Mar 2000 08:00:53 -0800

I ordered 8 tickets and have received nothing except charges on
my visa card for more than $350 of misc. items!  FRAUD and THEFT!
 Get your money back now.  Anyone else have these problems with
Aurora Music?  This is insane and unfortunate for SFU's
reputation!

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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 24 Mar 2000 11:15:35 -0500

David Williams wrote:
>
> >
> > >glad you guys think your minstrel show antics are funny.
> > >Thought that went out with the cotton fields.
> >

Dave,whether or not you believe it,both of those sentences you just
wrote
contain more offensive remarks than anything I quoted..which can
either be found by renting some videos or by flipping thru the
channels on any given night in the US.
(particularly on UPN 9)

(and don't even try to say you didn't laugh your arse off while watching
"I'm gonna git you sucka")

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) GOOD NEWS Re: Stolen Pipes
Date: 24 Mar 2000 16:40:19 GMT

WAVY-TV, the local NBC affiliate, did a news story on Thursday night
about my missing bagpipes. Right after it aired, I got a phone call from
someone who saw a woman with my pipes in a bar at 2 a.m. on the night of
St. Patrick's Day. I went to the bar, identified the woman and got even
more witnesses who saw her with the pipes.

It is now in the hands of the Norfolk Police Department. I will post to
the newsgroup as soon as the case is officially solved.

Thanks to everyone who offered words of encouragement this week. The
Guinness will be on me at the games this summer!

Jim Roberts


[e-mail] wrote:
> My family and I are offering a cash reward for the recovery of my
> bagpipes, last seen in Norfolk, Va., on St. Patrick's Day.
>
> The drones are Henderson, circa 1940, with ivory mounts. They were set
> up with a large L&M elkhide bag, a wood Naill chanter, Wygent Synth-
> drones and a Megarity-Ross chanter reed.
>
> I inherited the pipes from my great uncle, and I have been playing
them for almost 20 years. The sentimental value is unmeasurable.


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From: HoosierPiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross Canister Bag
Date: 24 Mar 2000 09:02:16 -0800

>Hmmm.............Airtight seasoning    versus   tent
waterproofing,
>microwave ovens,  wrench sets,  hooking and unhooking hoses to
various
>stocks, adjusting kitty litter quantities in the various
containers,  bag
>refits once per week.............

Perhaps, you're forgetting: airtight seasoning, massaging,
draining, cutting, tying, retying because to didn't tie it tight
enough, untying to insert a watertrap, taking out the blowstick
to empty the water trap, etc, etc.....

The tasks you mentioned for the Ross bag are only ones to be
performed if you *would like* to control exactly how much
moisture you want to get to the reeds.  First of all, there
really isn't any reason for someone to unhook the hoses.  You
don't touch them when you remove the canister.  I don't know of
any other bag out there that can be controlled this well in
terms of moisture.  If someone else can tell me that there is a
hide or sheep skin bag in which they could give a little more
moisture to their chanter reed than their drones (or vice
versa), I will admirably bow down.

Until then.....ROSS FOREVER!!!!

Sean

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From: [e-mail] (PYPPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time-revised
Date: 24 Mar 2000 17:05:02 GMT

Sure must fill up that trailer you live in--Stu
P.S. Heard from Mike le Boeuf; he wants to get himself a cape and tunic like
the Colo Irish. Oh well.
Slan Leat

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From: HoosierPiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Band Chanters
Date: 24 Mar 2000 09:14:12 -0800

>What options did you look at  ?.........

Volume, brightness, etc....

>What did you buy  ?........ and why ?

Gibsons, because they were bright and loud.

>Are you happy with them  ?........

Yes, very.

>Source  ?......... approx price  ?......approx delivery time  ?
>

This all varies with who you go to.  There are many suppliers
out there that give band discounts......do some hunting.

>thanks in advance

No problem,

HP

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From: madman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Frankensteiners
Date: 24 Mar 2000 12:08:50 -0500

Please people,be aware that all that glitters is not gold....

...sometimes its CRAP!

Unfortunately there are a lot of guys out there who deal in vintage
pipes and command pretty high prices for what is alleged to be
a "classic" ,or vintage bagpipe.
Sometimes you're just buying crap that no one wants,and its a lemon!

You must realize that not every pipe that is alleged to be a
"henderson Bagpipe" is in fact a Henderson indeed.
If it acually *is* a Henderson,that alone doesn't mean its
a good one.
The name itself doesn't guarantee that the pipe has not been
retrofitted or have replacement parts or have parts from another maker
tossed in and refitted.(usually quite poorly,I might add)
I call them Frankensteins.

There is no guarantee that you are buying something of worth.
Beware...bring your anti-venom kit with you to the dealer.
Don't get snake-bitten!

Some (not all) of the old vintage sets out there are exquisite
gorgeous,masterpieces of workmanship and wood-turning-as-art.
They're not *that* easy to find!!!



Day in and day out,I get repairs sent to me that come from
a set of pipes that was purchased with the intention that the
set of pipes was an unaltered classic....and since it
was alleged to be MacDougall or Lawrie or Henderson
than by definition it *must be good*.
Were all Hendersons or Lawries made to the same standards of
quality..NO.
Were all Hendersons and Lawries made with the same specs?...NO

I always get a chuckle when a guy gets done playing
and then another guy runs over and asks "what are those..
Hendersons"...and the other guy says "No, they are Graingers",
and then the guy asking the question all of a sudden has
a much lower opinion of the sound that he originally thought was great.
Get real.



Perhaps the worst offense(and there are plenty) was on a set of alleged
Hendersons
that had SS ferrules hammered *over* real elephant ivory ferrules.
What a shame.
They looked AWFUL....but they must *sound good* right..because the
dealer *told-me* that they're Hendersons!
Get real.
Some shoemaker/cowboy really did a number on that set.
The buyer paid 3000 US for a set of pipes that needed
about 1500 US in repair work.
Don't buy a Frankensteiner.

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From: ccc31807 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 24 Mar 2000 09:50:37 -0800

In article <8bea7d$oe$[e-mail]>, oshpiper <oshpiper@my-
deja.com> wrote:

>Here is riddle fo you:
>
>Q. What's wrong with lawyer jokes?
>
>A. Lawyers don't think they're funny and other people don't
>   think they're jokes.
>
>Pat

A man walks into a bar and says in a loud voice, "All lawyers
are assholes."

A drunk lifts his head from one of the tables and says, "I
resent that remark."

The man turns to him and says, "Why, are you a lawyer?"

The drunk replies, "No, I'm an asshole!"

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From: [e-mail] (ALIXGUNN)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: FOR SALE: Cuillin mountain range on the Isle of Skye
Date: 24 Mar 2000 18:58:13 GMT


    I've seen this posted and discussed on a couple other boards all week.
Heard that Dunvegan needed  a new roof
     The idea of donations has already been discussed on those other boards, as
well, but apparently there's no way to do that that the government wouldn't
botch that up.

   Can you imagine some foreign concern buying up Skye and 'dozing it to put in
a theme park?

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From: Ken MacKenzie <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North American Celtic Arts Festival/SFU PROBLEMS!
Date: 24 Mar 2000 10:09:07 -0800

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:00:53 -0800, pg
<[e-mail]> wrote:
What the Hell has SFU's reputation got to do with it? They are the
hired talent for someone's show. Check your facts before you start
casting blame.
Ken
>I ordered 8 tickets and have received nothing except charges on
>my visa card for more than $350 of misc. items!  FRAUD and THEFT!
> Get your money back now.  Anyone else have these problems with
>Aurora Music?  This is insane and unfortunate for SFU's
>reputation!
>
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From: Eric Eccleston <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Wood type, quality, and climate
Date: 24 Mar 2000 13:01:08 -0700

Is there anything inherently wrong with the use of rosewood for a
chanter (specifically for uilleann pipes) as opposed to blackwood?
Would well seasoned rosewood perform differently, last longer or
shorter, etc. than blackwood in a dry climate or a climate with humidity
swings?  Thanks.

Eric

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 24 Mar 2000 20:15:15 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
Bob Cameron <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > snip
>
> > . I have
> > heard other brands of pipes and so far there are only two "non-Paki"
> > brands that I would NEVER consider buying (no, one is not Kron).
>
> for clarification, don't you mean neither is Kron? or do you really
mean
> one isn't ( and thus , one is?)


Yes, I meant that NEITHER brand is Kron. I have never played a Kron and
to my knowledge have never heard or seen a Kron, therefore cannot make
a reasonable comment on that make.

> whaich two other brsnds do you reject, and why?


I wasn't going to mention the makes of the two I dislike so as not to
continue a flame war, but since you asked........
McCallums- Too harsh sounding to my ears. I just plain don't care for
the sound of the drones. I have heard several sets and dislike them.
Hardies - I dislike them at this point in time only because the few
sets I have heard will not tune well with the band I am in now. It is
really a problem with the Hardie chanter. As a solo instrument they are
fine. Who knows, maybe in the future, when I am no longer with this
band, I may find a set of Hardies that I really like and must have.

I do realize that not all pipes from any one maker will be excellent.
Just like automobiles, some will be lemons. Therefore, if I ever look
for another set of pipes I will certainly try them, listen to them and
then make my decision on each individual set of pipes.


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From: [e-mail] (ALIXGUNN)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: FOR SALE: Cuillin mountain range on the Isle of Skye
Date: 24 Mar 2000 21:47:32 GMT


From the president of the ACMS (Associated Clan MacLeod Societies):

"Most of you will have been made aware through the news media of the fact that
Chief John has put the Cuillins on the real estate market for
ú10,000,000.

This has not been an easy decision for him. It is never a happy event to sell
land that has belonged to a family for a long period of time, as is the
case with the Cuillins and the Chief's family. At the same time, matters
concerning the MacLeod Estate, which includes Dunvegan and the Cuillin, are the
private business of the Chief. That Chief John would make this difficult choice
for the preservation of Dunvegan, a much closer Clan link than the
Cuillin, speaks for itself relative to his devotion to Clan MacLeod.

Chief John faces restoration expenses of over ú4,000,000 for Dunvegan itself.
After taxes, and other Estate improvements, he will have essentially none of
the funds available for his personal use. It is important to understand that

the Associated Clan MacLeod Societies is not a financial organization, and as
such does not have the capability to intervene.

I know that all of us support him fully, and thank him for his exceptional
effort to preserve that focus of our heritage as a Highland Clan, Dunvegan
Castle."


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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 24 Mar 2000 12:18:02 -0900

Chris Hamilton wrote:

> Life is fun.
>
> Chris
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Chris Hamilton
> [e-mail]
> http://toneczar.freeservers.com/

Who's the cat that won't cop out,
When there's danger all about?
Hamilton!
(Right On)

Who is the man
Who would risk his neck for his brother man
Hamilton (Chris Hamilton)

(Fade to funky wa-wa riffs)

Incidentally, my partner at the Veterinary Clinic and I frequently sing the
theme song from Shaft at work - he can imitate the wa-wa guitar so accurately
it's eerie.  We've confused more than a few younger employees, but that's one
of the advantages of being an old fart.

Don't get me started on Curtis Mayfield...






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From: ccc31807 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Easter piobaireachd
Date: 25 Mar 2000 21:13:49 -0800

Just sitting here wondering if any piobaireachd is associated
with the Easter season.
Or Good Friday?
Or Lent, Mardi Gras?
Or Advent, Christmas, Epiphany?
Actually, it's only Easter that I'm interested in.

After reflection, I concluded that there probably wouldn't be an
Easter piob., but if some of you are aware that a particular
tune has a seasonal nature, would appreciate you letting me know.

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From: "Leslie Thomson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Croacking reed
Date: 26 Mar 2000 12:54:39 +0200

Ahh, you rich wealthy guys with more than one chanter ;-) I guess I'll have
to dig into me pocket and fork out some dosh.
> Does the reed work in a modern chanter?
>
> Zu



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From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions
Date: 26 Mar 2000 11:57:16 GMT

>I thought you would have included the seldom worn glengarry in
>that inventory.
>Dick
>

Everyone in the band knows how I hate that " Glengarry burn" you get from
wearing one all day at the Florida games. You know, that "V"shaped sunburn on
the forehead. If the judges would just let you compete with a floppy rimmed
golf hat --- who would care in masssed bands?

Jim

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From: Foxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Bagpiper needed for Aug 5, 2000 wedding Detroit Area
Date: 26 Mar 2000 05:06:57 -0800

I would like to hire a bagpiper for a wedding in Westland,
MI for a wedding on Aug 5, 2000.  Please reply to
[e-mail] with price and a venue where I can see you
perform.


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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 26 Mar 2000 08:23:26 -0500

On 26 Mar 2000 05:24:16 GMT, [e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:

>>Whew, if I'm judging somewhere and you use the one-hand "E" to tune
>>your drones to, you'll hear about it on the scoresheet.  It's an aural
>>assault on the ears!!!!  Oh yes, you'll hear about it.
>
>Great...I'm already playing a 2/4 you don't like, and I can compound that by
>tuning to E.  Dinna worry, I'll tune to D and play a different march if you're
>judging ; )

Och, you make it like I'm a beast!  I'll give you a fair shake!

Chris

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Paki chanters
Date: 26 Mar 2000 13:36:45 GMT

I forgot to list a new  Paki chanter we bought last year. It's a wooden long,
and so far has developed no problems for 40$. The lady who sold it to me
GUARANTEED me it would not split because the first thing she does with her Paki
chanters is to soak them in a barrel of oil.  She claimed this allowed her to
sell them, and giuarantee that they wouldn't crack. So far it hasn't... Knock
on rosewood.
Anyone else heard of this technique?
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: Bill Carr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Bill'e Piping Corner Update
Date: 26 Mar 2000 13:46:16 GMT


I finally got around to updating the site:

http://business.fortunecity.com/newhouse/855/billpg.html

There is a new "Tune of the Moment" and a couple of very interesting
pages with  images of my old Lawries "before and after" restoration.

Enjoy.


Bill Carr



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From: [e-mail] (Glendapb)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: MWPBA Mini-Bands
Date: 26 Mar 2000 13:46:48 GMT

Grade 3

1st   Chicago Metro
2nd  Chicago Metro
3rd   Glendaloch

That's all I remember.

Dorothy Wilson
Glendaloch Pipe Band
Caledonia, MI


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Subject: (bagpipe) GLASGOWGIRL "THE FLOWER OF SCOTLAND"
Date: 26 Mar 2000 14:04:36 GMT

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From: [e-mail] (ArrahCee)
Subject: (bagpipe) Border Pipe Chanter on EBay
Date: 26 Mar 2000 14:50:09 GMT

Border chanter in A by MacHarg on Ebay- item # 293125162.

  Mint condition, I don't have any use for it now.  Thanks!


Rick Cunningham
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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Easter piobaireachd
Date: 26 Mar 2000 15:03:22 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
ccc31807 <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Just sitting here wondering if any piobaireachd is associated
> with the Easter season.

Funny you should ask.  After some inspiration from John Mitchell, I have
been working a piobaireachd that I am naming "Blind Piper's Egg Toss".
It started off as being, "Grain in Hides and Egg on Face".  But, that
just didn't seem right.

Pat


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From: Mark Szymanski <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Piping fairy tale
Date: 26 Mar 2000 15:41:48 GMT

  I was looking around the web, trying to find piping related stories
for kids, and just wasn't comming up with much.  They wanted a bedtime
story with bagpipes in it, so I decided to write one and this is what I
came up with.  http://members.xoom.com/chanterman/thoughts.html
If there are other stories, I would be interested in finding them.
Other than the Pied Piper of Hamelin - got that one.
Mark Szymanski
The White Pine Pipe and Drum Corps
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From: "Erebor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) RE: McFaddens Reel
Date: 26 Mar 2000 17:57:25 +0200

Hi Mark,
Yes, the tune is MacFadden's Reel. It is an all traditional tune and you can
find it arranged by Gordon Duncan's in the CD called "Circular Breath". I'm
sorry but I've not the score.
Regards


Mark McFadden <[e-mail]> escribi≤ en el mensaje de
noticias 8bi2df$ie5$[e-mail]...
> I'm 10 years old and have been playing a practice chanter for 7 months .
> Does anyone have the music for McFaddens Reel or another tune called
> McFaddens Favourite?
> Patrick McFadden age 10
>
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From: "Jean-Franτois Sardier" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Zaqq (maltese bagpipe)
Date: 26 Mar 2000 17:47:53 +0200

Have you got any informations about this bagpipe?
This bagpipe has got two chanters with five holes and without drones.
Thank you .
Jef.



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From: "Erebor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) RE: Highland P/C recommendation?
Date: 26 Mar 2000 18:00:20 +0200

I recomend to you the Nail PC with sole. It's very tuned and really very
similar with the GHB chanter notes spacing.

Eric Eccleston <[e-mail]> escribi≤ en el mensaje de noticias
[e-mail]...
> Hi,
>
> Now I'm looking for recommendations for a new PC.  My current one is an
> old plastic piece of junk, and I need to upgrade.  Every time I've ever
> taken a lesson, I've gotten a grimace from the instructor about my PC,
> and a statement to the effect that "you have GOT to get a new practice
> chanter."  And I will say that the sound and feel of it is horrible.  I
> can't remember the brand, but it's well known as being bad.  Anyway, I'm
> really still a beginner, I've been a musician for many years, and I'm
> serious about learning the bagpipes.  But I need some advice,
> specifically concerning standard versus long PCs.  And what about
> brand/quality/cost tradeoffs?  Thanks again.
>
> Eric



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From: "Erebor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) RE: Dunfion Pipes
Date: 26 Mar 2000 18:04:48 +0200

Hi Tom, I own a set of Dunfion and it's very good handwork even everypipe
hear his drones sound says "very impresive and nice sound". Also the chanter
is good, but in this case I recomend another one like Mark III from
shepherd's... it sounds welltuned and like a canyonííí


Tom Steele <[e-mail]> escribi≤ en el mensaje de noticias
8beik9$km8$[e-mail]...
> Anyone here play Dunfions? Just curious; I bought a Dunfion PC, and I
really
> like the workmanship. I don't know enough to say whether the tone is any
> good, but I'd like to know if they're worth consideration when I move up
to
> the full set.
>
> Thanks
>
>



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From: "Erebor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) For all the Pipers Audience
Date: 26 Mar 2000 18:23:34 +0200

I live in Spain and I've not any relationship with the maker but recently
I've purchased a registered version of the software called "ELECTRIC PIPES"
and the program is really good, good, good.
I'm tune composer even now I'm learning to play the pipes. Just before this
program I have check demos of Piob Mhor, PiobMaster, BMW, ABC but now I can
consider with my experience like musician that this is the better software
for GHB ever seen and so I recomend this very professional sotware to all
the Pipers Audience in this NG. You can download a free evaluation copy at
http://www.bakedbean.co.nz/electric_pipes.htm

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From: "Erebor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) RE: Wygent Drone Reeds
Date: 26 Mar 2000 18:13:32 +0200

I own a set or wygent and I think maybe you've to use a watertrap to avoid
excess of humidity inside your pipes. Other problem could be the tonges are
in not good conditions yet


Denny Andrews <[e-mail]> escribi≤ en el mensaje de noticias
[e-mail]...
> I am currently playing Wygents. I haven't had any problems until Friday,
after
> about 4 hrs. of playing (not all at the same time) my tenor drones started
> cutting out I have been using these reeds for about 4 years without a
problem
>         Any Idea's? could the tongues be getting worn out ?
>               Any help would be appreciated
>                        Thanks,
>                           Denny



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From: "Erebor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) RE: Cocobolo Pipes
Date: 26 Mar 2000 18:08:46 +0200

The cocobolo wood it's nice to see but it has a very alergenic component
himself. This wood was very used by Galician Bagpipe makers in spain but for
health reasons now is dificult to find wind instruments made with cocobolo
in this country.
Ragards



JSLOANPR <[e-mail]> escribi≤ en el mensaje de noticias
[e-mail]...
> Does cocobolo turn darker with age as African Blackwood does?
> I would be interested to hear from anyone playing cocobolo pipes as
regards to
> the color and comparision to AB.
> The AB Sincliar chanter I bought last year was almost blond but after 10
months
> turned a very dark black.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim



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From: [e-mail] (AzNoodasU)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: CD recommendations for learner?
Date: 26 Mar 2000 17:33:55 GMT

Michael,
I have to agree with all the above replys. You also might want to try these
CD's.  "PIPE TEACHER'S ASSISTANT VOLUME ONE" AND "... VOLUME TWO". Volume one
has 62 classic GHB tunes played on the practice chanter by Burt Mitchell.
Volume two has 47 tunes on the practice chanter. Both come with a music book.
In my opinion, they are a great teaching tool, for a more advanced, beginning
student.
Good Luck to you
George

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From: ccc31807 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: For all the Pipers Audience
Date: 26 Mar 2000 09:56:51 -0800

In article <8bldem$caf$[e-mail]>, "Erebor"
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>I live in Spain and I've not any relationship with the maker
but recently
>I've purchased a registered version of the software
called "ELECTRIC PIPES"
>and the program is really good, good, good.
>program I have check demos of Piob Mhor, PiobMaster, BMW, ABC
but now I can
>consider with my experience like musician that this is the
better software
>for GHB ever seen and so I recomend this very professional
sotware

Ah ... Software Wars, again.

Yes, EP works, I've tried the evaluation copy myself. But my
personal favorite is PiobMaster for just bagpipe related stuff.
As far as I know, BMW has no evaluation copy. If this is not
correct, please let me know, as I would very much like to put it
through its paces and actually see what it can do.

Still, the bagpipe programs are not full fledged music
processors, and if you really want to make your printed copies
look good and have the flexibility you need to do "real" music,
you need a professional program. A friend of mine just purchased
Sibelius, about a US$1,000 program, and comparing Sibelius to EP
is like comparing a tricycle to a Rolls Royce.

I have worked for some time on compliling a list of music
software, with the emphasis on piping. I've collected about a
dozen programs, and have about 20 URLs in all. If I am ever
motivated to learn the ones I haven't (ABC is one of these), I
will publish these on rmmb, with the URLs and a short critique
of each, pointing out its good and bad points.

I have used several general music and bagpipe programs over the
years, and my current favorite (although given my history I will
move on to something else after a while) is Lime, because (1)
it's dirt cheap, (2) its very powerful, (3) it looks nice in
print, but on the other side, its (4) clunky to use, (5) it has
a steep learning curve, and (6) even though its much, much more
flexible than piping software, it has its limits.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Easter piobaireachd
Date: 26 Mar 2000 17:56:05 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
ccc31807 <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Just sitting here wondering if any piobaireachd is associated
> with the Easter season.
> Or Good Friday?
> Or Lent, Mardi Gras?
> Or Advent, Christmas, Epiphany?
> Actually, it's only Easter that I'm interested in.
>
> After reflection, I concluded that there probably wouldn't be an
> Easter piob., but if some of you are aware that a particular
> tune has a seasonal nature, would appreciate you letting me know.

The only piobaireachd I know about with any theme like this is one
given by Simon Fraser in his book, attributed to Patrick Mor
MacCrimmon and titled "The Lament for My Saviour".

Bruce C. Wright


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From: HoosierPiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross Canister Bag
Date: 26 Mar 2000 10:06:46 -0800

>Sounds like bad management to me !   you are comparing apples
and
>oranges......3 L&M bags...never retied anything...no need to
untie to insert
>watertrap(many convenient models available)

Pardon me, I was being VERY general.

>let me see......would it be easier for me to do things like
removing
>blowstick to dump spit.....or would it be easier to apply tent
waterproofing
>to my rubber bag

Fair enough, however, I have had my bag for three years now and
I definitly don't need to apply tent waterproofing.

>OK Sean......on behalf of Ross, I thank you for your
enthusiastic
>support...............

Piping would be too boring if everyone agreed on the same
products.

Sean



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From: "KH" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting for Suo Gann?
Date: 26 Mar 2000 12:58:08 -0600

WWII, Japanese war movie, "Empire of the Sun", choir boy, candy bar had a
very small role, great movie with a great musical score - Suo Gan is used
effectively, video rental highly recommended
KH


"Piper" <[e-mail]> wrote in message news:8bkdh2$l1o$[e-mail]...
> It's also in "Weddings and Funerals" which is a cheaply published book
with
> a green cover and is bound by one of those cheap plastic clamp thingies.
I
> loved it though when I heard it played in that Vietnamese war movie...I
> think it was "Temple of the Rising Sun" or something like that...you know,
> the one with the quire boy who wanted a candy bar...
>
>
> "Waterfly" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> news:[e-mail]...
> > >It's in one of the "Highland Harmonies" books . .. Sui Gwan, is the
> spelling
> > >in the book, I believe.
> > It's a Welch lullaby, spelled Suo Gan, and it is lovely on the pipes.
> >
>
>
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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 24 Mar 2000 12:17:47 -0900

Chris Hamilton wrote:

> Life is fun.
>
> Chris
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Chris Hamilton
> [e-mail]
> http://toneczar.freeservers.com/

Who's the cat that won't cop out,
When there's danger all about?
Hamilton!
(Right On)

Who is the man
Who would risk his neck for his brother man
Hamilton (Chris Hamilton)

(Fade to funky wa-wa riffs)

Incidentally, my partner at the Veterinary Clinic and I frequently sing the
theme song from Shaft at work - he can imitate the wa-wa guitar so accurately
it's eerie.  We've confused more than a few younger employees, but that's one
of the advantages of being an old fart.

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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Wood type, quality, and climate
Date: 24 Mar 2000 16:22:38 -0500

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:01:08 -0700, Eric Eccleston
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Is there anything inherently wrong with the use of rosewood for a
>chanter (specifically for uilleann pipes) as opposed to blackwood?
>Would well seasoned rosewood perform differently, last longer or
>shorter, etc. than blackwood in a dry climate or a climate with humidity
>swings?  Thanks.

Hmm, I have a rosewood Gibson PC.  I've found (and this might just be
my imagination) that during a long playing session (like a
several-hour band chanter practice) that it tends to go a bit out of
tune and get finicky - cutting out a lot and stuff as it gets
waterlogged.  My bandmates with otherwise-identical blackwood Gibsons
don't seem to have the same problem.  So perhaps rosewood does not
hold up as well under extreme moisture.

Madman, dost thou know?

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Hamilton
[e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: CD recommendations for learner?
Date: 26 Mar 2000 19:16:36 GMT

>Lets not forget Jim MacGillivrays classic Rhythmic Fingers workbook & CD!
>
>You want to learn the Embellishments properly and execute them
>effectively, then check it out.
>
>If any of his vendors want to jump in here, nows the time!
>

We got our copy at the games, almost any good vendor had it. So if you dislike
internet shopping, buy it there.
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 26 Mar 2000 19:34:19 GMT

>Och, you make it like I'm a beast!

Just because you scream "I am NOTTT an animal!" in your sleep doesn't mean your
a beast Chris. We belive in you (just don't slip up and start walking on all
fours again) here on RMMB.
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: Sonar 821 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pakistani upgrading
Date: 26 Mar 2000 14:14:53 -0500

Zudupiper wrote:
>
> > My question is what is
> >your recomandation for replaceing the flapper valve?
>
> You've got to get a decent Merrick-type (reverse) valve (or make one yourself).
>  The Lil Mac is OK I guess, but won't fit into the Paki stock.  I don't like
> leather flapper valves because they don't seem to seal as well as other things.
>
> I didn't bother trying a commercial valve (which might need to be trimmed), I
> just made one to fit.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Zu

Zu thanks for the reply. I was just setting down to order a Lil Mac. I'm
glad I read my email first. I haven't heard of a Merrick-type valve
before. Would you care to give me some more information about them, like
how one could be made or where I could get one.

I've not been able to find a tutor yet. I've even been in touch with the
local university's school of music, at this time they have no one. The
nearest pipe band is 300 miles away, so I've had to go it alone except
for this news group and chance encounters at festivals so any help and
advice is greatly appreciated



Sonar 821

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From: "Piper" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: For all the Pipers Audience
Date: 26 Mar 2000 14:36:52 -0500

Well, if it's software wars, I cannot fail to mention my all-time favorite.
I use two programs by Midisoft.  Midisoft Studio 4 and Studio Recording
Session 5.  I realize that there is a much newer version, which I'm hoping
to have the upgrade soon.  Midisoft's program are not made for only
bagpipes, instead they are an allout composer's dream.  Any midi instrument
can be used to play the tunes.  I usually use the midi bassoon for my
program.  Check out http://www.midisoft.com for more information on their
products.  Their prices are much more reasonable than $1000 as well.

For examples of my success with these programs, you can check out my
website: http://www.BagpipesAtBest.com.  There you will find midi files my
father and I have made using the two before mentioned programs.  Note, that
once a tune is transfered to midi, it loses all of the major notation
respects (ie. Recording Session lets you place gracenotes, and will keep
them if you save it in the Recording Session format, but once it is
transferred to midi, it loses the notation printability).

For an even better example, my father and I took this a step further.  I
made a soundFont for use with Creative Soundblaster cards which have the ram
to hold them.  I have made one soundFont using my Booth pipes, and another
using a set of Hardie pipes.  My dad's website http://www.midipiper.com has
MP3 files made from the midi files at my site.  In other words, we load the
soundFont I made, and recorded the midi files as MP3s.  Now, a really good
piper will notice the difference quickly, but someone just listening to the
tunes will most likely believe that they were actually recording of a piper.

I suggest visiting the sites in this order:
1. http://www.BagpipesAtBest.com - my site - to get an idea what the tunes
made with the program sound like.
2. http://www.midipiper.com - my dad's site - to hear a more refined set of
tunes still using programs by Midisoft, but also using soundFonts with our
Creative Blaster Live Platinum card, to record more realistic tunes (but
keeping it digital on purpose).
3. http://www.midisoft.com - Midisoft's website - after hearing examples
from both pages, you may agree that the tunes are of a wonderful quality.
At Midisoft's website, you can hear tunes written with other instruments as
well.

Cheers,
J.P. Johnson (BagpipesAtBest.com)



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From: A R Hoinacki II <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) RESULTS:  MWPBA Mini-Bands (Chicago, USA)
Date: 26 Mar 2000 15:08:10 EST

March 25, 2000

Midwest Pipe Band Association
Mini-Bands Indoor Contest
Irish-American Heritage Center, Chicago

Grade V (Quick March Medley)
1 - Ceol Mor PB (PM B Smillie)
2 - Iowa Scottish P&D (PM T Mulvehill)
3 - St Andrew's P&D "A" (PM S Scaife)
BDC - Chicago Highlanders "A" (LD T Schmitz)
Bass - Chicago Highlanders "B" (I Rennie)

Grade IV (Quick March Medley)
1 - Twin Cities Metro PB (PM M Kotch)
2 - Stockyard Kilty Band (PM M McKee)
3 - Kerlin-Farina PB (PM M Riebesehl)
BDC - Ft Dearnborn Highlanders (LD I Millar)
Bass - Tunes of Glory PB "A" (L Robertson)

Grade III (3-5 Medley)
1 - Chicago Metro PB "B" (PM J Mackie)
2 - Chicago Metro PB "A" (PM B Boyle)
3 - Glendaloch PB (PM C Stowe)
BDC - Chicago Metro "A" (LD M Boyle)
Bass -  Chicago Metro "B" (M Miller)

Grade II (M/S/R)
1 - Midlothian PB "C" (PM E Boyle)
2 - Midlothian PB "A" (PM G Stewart)
BDC - Midlothian PB "C" (LD A Hoinacki)
Bass - Midlothian "C" (M Cole)

There were no prizes awarded nor announcements
made as to the Best Drum Corps and Best Bass
awards.  However, they were noted on the score
sheets, so I figured we'd share.

Congratulations to all the winners !!

Solo results to follow later this week.

For President Drew Hoinacki,
  Andrew Hoinacki
  Midlothian PB

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From: "Jamie Green" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Ayrshire Dumfries & Galloway indoor results
Date: 26 Mar 2000 21:18:24 +0100

For anyone that's interested:

I only have a few results from our branch contest yesterday - I'll post the
rest when I have them/remember them.

JUVENILE SOLO PIPING:
1st - Julie Redden - Dumfries & Galloway Constabulary
2nd - Can't remember his name - Lochmaben Piping Society
3rd - Can't remember his name - Girvan


ADULT SOLO PIPING:

MARCH
1st - Niall Mushet - Dumfries & Galloway Constabulary
2nd - Keith White - Dumfries & Galloway Constabulary
3rd - Colin Irving - Dumfries & Galloway Constabulary

STRATHSPEY AND REEL:
1st - Niall Mushet - Dumfries & Galloway Constabulary
2nd - Keith White - Dumfries & Galloway Constabulary
3rd - Colin Irving - Dumfries & Galloway Constabulary

OVERALL:
1st - Niall Mushet - Dumfries & Galloway Constabulary
2nd - Keith White - Dumfries & Galloway Constabulary
3rd - Colin Irving - Dumfries & Galloway Constabulary


JUVENILE SOLO DRUMMING
1st - Scott Smith - Annan Ex-Service Club
2nd - Can't remember her name - Kirkudbright & District
3rd - Can't remember his name - Givan


ADULT SOLO DRUMMING:
1st - Malcolm MacEwen - Annan Ex-Service Club
2nd - Robert Andrew - Ayr Pipe Band Society
3rd - Jamie Green - Dumfries & Galloway Constabulary
4th - Chris Black - Dumfries & Galloway Constabulary


BAND CONTESTS:  (Four prizes in each but I can't remember many of them)

GRADE 4:
1st - Kilmarnock Pipe Band
I can't remember 2nd, 3rd or 4th I'm afraid

GRADE 3
1st - Johnstone Pipe Band
2nd - Annan Ex-Service Club PB
3rd - MacLean of Annan PB
4th - ???

GRADE 2
1st - Dumfries & Galloway Constabulary PB
2nd - Baron of Lee PB
3rd and 4th - can't remember

GRADE 1
1st - Dumfries & Galloway Constabulary
2nd - Baron of Lee PB
3rd and 4th - can't remember


Cheers

Jamie Green
Dumfries and Galloway Constabulary PB
Scotland




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From: "Leslie Thomson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: For all the Pipers Audience
Date: 26 Mar 2000 22:42:20 +0200

Hi "Erebor"
I live in Mßlaga, where do you live?
Leslie,
The Gaucho Piper
"Erebor" <[e-mail]> escribi≤ en el mensaje
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> I live in Spain and I've not any relationship with the >

> Thanks for nothing
you're not welcome ;-)




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 26 Mar 2000 22:24:54 GMT

In article <01bf965e$55b23da0$0e1c5bd1@default>,
"Matt Buckley" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> So now the kid thinks he possesses Churchill's wit.
> Not even close.

I take it that your not a fan of this string?  What is the matter,
slient type?

Ryan Jones


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From: Ed f& Donna  McClelland <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: shuttle vs fireside
Date: 26 Mar 2000 22:40:38 GMT

I have been playing about a year (Chanter) And tried some fireside
pipes the other night for the first time. The finger holes werent
countersunk, Does anyone know if they are available so ?
On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:40:40 -0500, <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I personally opted for the Firesides; they're now made of better materials
>and the baritone drone is standard.  Besides, Gibson went back to the
>drawing board in order to accommodate the fact that small pipes tend to shut
>down easier.  He's apparently redesigned the inside of the stocks with
>special valves.  This remains to be seen; I won't see my new Firesides till
>after I get back from a badly needed vacation in Italy next week.
>
>Bill
>Brad Morrison wrote in message
><[e-mail]>...
>>Zu:
>>
>>Thanks for the info.  You mentioned that the shuttles are little
>>frustrating at first - how so?
>>
>>It sounds to me like the tone of the firesides is superior.
>>
>>That's certainly one of the key decision-makers for me.
>>
>>Any other feedback would be really helpful  (from anyone)
>>
>>Brad
>>
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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: more on confidence playing!
Date: 26 Mar 2000 13:56:50 -0900

John Mitchell wrote:

> This is a followup on pasts posts about using aids
> to gain confidence. Note the last paragraph!
>
> 19. FROM NOTES No. 1 (June 1997)
>
> Keeping cool on the boards By PIPE MAJOR ANGUS MacDONALD
>

Thanks for the post, John.  I've printed it out for future reference.

Cheers,

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From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Pipe maintenance while travelling.
Date: 26 Mar 2000 14:04:22 -0900

I'll be travelling from Alaska to Detroit/Toronto for a few weeks, and
taking my pipes with me.  I'm playing cane drone reeds in a sheepskin
bag, and play at least an hour a day.  I'm concerned that I will
probably not be able to play that frequently while travelling, and may
have a week or so between sessions.  Is there anything I can do to keep
the bag/reeds in reasonably good shape in the interim?  I've got a
lesson scheduled toward the end of my trip, and must have the pipes in
good order.  I know there is no substitute for daily playing, but any
hints or tips would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Michael


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From: pmajclark <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) MWPBA mini bands
Date: 26 Mar 2000 23:21:56 GMT

Does any one out there have an audio or video recording of this weekends
grade 3 contest?

I would be interested in obtaining a copy.

Thanks,
Alan B. Clark


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From: [e-mail] (Rojo2G)
Subject: (bagpipe) RE: Cocobolo Pipes
Date: 27 Mar 2000 01:10:15 GMT

>health reasons now is dificult to find wind instruments made with cocobolo
This begs the question....why?

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From: [e-mail] (Bduty)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Artificially blowing in Chanter Reeds
Date: 27 Mar 2000 01:18:34 GMT

My teacher tried this once.  Had the reed and chanter all set up nice with the
air compressor hooked up.  He opened the valve to the compressor, and WHOOSH!
The chanter was sent like a leathal missile into the cinder block side of the
basement.  Shattered into 100 pieces.
I don't think he tried it again.

Moral of the story: make sure you don't put the pressure too high when you open
it up.
Bruce

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From: [e-mail] (blackcat)
Subject: (bagpipe) test
Date: 27 Mar 2000 01:13:22 GMT

test
bc.
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From: A R Hoinacki II <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) RESULTS:  MWPBA Solos
Date: 26 Mar 2000 21:18:16 EST

Hello again,

So as it turns out I was able to get the points
and placings for the solos held at our mini-bands
this weekend a little earlier than I had thought.

Congrats to all the winners !!

I also failed to mention who the judges were for
the weekend.

  All Day Piping Judge - - Adrian Melvin
  All Day Drumming Judge - - Harvey Dawson
  Morning Piping Judge - - Ian Swinton

For President Drew Hoinacki,
  Andrew Hoinacki
  Midlothian PB
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SOLO PIPING RESULTS

Advanced Piobaireachd (Melvin)
1  73  Mike Kotch
2  60  J P Mellor

Grade II M/S/R (Swinton)
1  80  Daryl King
2  79  David Danaher

Grade II H/J (Swinton)
1  80  Daryl King
2  79  J P Mellor
3  78  David Danaher

Grade I M/S/R (Swinton)
1  80  Matt McKee
2  76  Kali Dunlap

Grade I H/J (Melvin)
1  85  Kali Dunlap
2  83  Mike Kotch
3  72  Matt McKee

Amateur Piper Of The Day:  Kali Dunlap

Professional M/S/R (Melvin)
1  83  Drew Duncan

Professional H/J (Swinton)
1  80  Al Clark
2  78  Drew Duncan

SOLO DRUMMING RESULTS

Grade IV March
1  69  Matthew Danaher

Grade III M/S/R
1  73  Chuck Leibold

Grade I M/S/R
1  81  Hunter Gullickson

Grade I H/J
1  85  Hunter Gullickson

Amateur Drummer Of The Day:  Hunter Gullickson

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From: Richard <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North American Celtic Arts Festival/SFU PROBLEMS!
Date: 26 Mar 2000 18:38:27 -0800

And after Sunday night the "rest of the story" can be told!

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From: "M Forkan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Gibson stuff sale!
Date: 27 Mar 2000 03:02:20 GMT

Hey John what's your email address?

Mike Forkan


John Mitchell <[e-mail]> wrote in message
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> Cleaning out my stash to buy some new toys!
>
> qty 3,  African Blackwood Chanters.(2000)  $180.00 US funds
> qty 1,  polypenco Practice Chanter (1999) $65.00 US funds.
>
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From: "Hugh Armstrong" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Gibson stuff sale!
Date: 27 Mar 2000 03:48:33 GMT

its,
[e-mail]
M Forkan <[e-mail]> wrote in message
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> Hey John what's your email address?
>
> Mike Forkan
>
>
> John Mitchell <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> news:38dc2afb_4@127.0.0.1...
> > Cleaning out my stash to buy some new toys!
> >
> > qty 3,  African Blackwood Chanters.(2000)  $180.00 US funds
> > qty 1,  polypenco Practice Chanter (1999) $65.00 US funds.
> >
> > You want to talk about Great F@%$ing Tone, try these babies!
> >
> >
> >
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From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cocobolo Pipes
Date: 27 Mar 2000 06:21:39 GMT

Rojo2G wrote:
>
> >health reasons now is dificult to find wind instruments made with cocobolo
> This begs the question....why?

When turning it, some people have alergic reactions to it.  I did, it
just made me sick to my stomach.  But after working with it (Because I
baught about $80 of it), I became amune to it, and it doesnt bother me
one but.  But if I turned a bagpipe part out of it and gave it to a
fellow piper in my band, he would most likely have a reaction to it.
Just work with it, little by little, then it will be fine.
Mike

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From: "Michael McWilliams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bagpipe Related Tattoos...
Date: 27 Mar 2000 06:56:39 GMT

Once again....Great suggestions, guys!

Much appreciated!

Slαinte!

Michael McWilliams
Cohasset, MA

oshpiper <[e-mail]> wrote in message
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> In article <[e-mail]>,
> [e-mail] (Beginnertunes) wrote:
>
> > From what she tells me, you'll only fit the LG, A, and B holes on that
> tiny
> > target,
>
> Bill.  Even that would be waste of ink.  You know you can only get one
> note out of a skin flute.
>
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>
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From: "Michael McWilliams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: CD recommendations for learner?
Date: 27 Mar 2000 06:57:47 GMT

Once again....Great suggestions, guys!

Much appreciated!

Slαinte!

Michael McWilliams
Cohasset, MA

Bob Cameron <[e-mail]> wrote in message
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> Mike, why don't you drop in to Celtic Fire - They have tons of good piping
CD's
> and tapes- and usually one's playing on the CD player when you go in. It's
like
> a 15 minute drive from Cohasset.
>
> Michael McWilliams wrote:
>
> > Well, now that I've been yowling away on the PC for a few months...had a
few
> > lessons...and am getting totally bolluxed up on the distinctions between
> > grips, taorluaths and the like...
> >
> > ....I've gone fully around the bend and started to actually play bagpipe
> > music on the home stereo. As my wife cringes, and my sons flee in
> > embarrassment I'm now looking for good CDs that might actually help me
> > learn.
> >
> > Any suggestions for performances that really show how it's all supposed
to
> > be done?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Slαinte!
> >
> > Michael McWilliams
> > Cohasset, MA
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From: "Michael McWilliams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Bagpipe Related Tattoos...
Date: 27 Mar 2000 07:01:05 GMT

I have NO idea how I hit the wrong button and reponded to this message
instead of another...but there you are.
sorry.

Michael McWilliams <[e-mail]> wrote in message
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> Once again....Great suggestions, guys!
>
> Much appreciated!
>
> Slαinte!
>
> Michael McWilliams
> Cohasset, MA
>
> oshpiper <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> news:8bap1h$1pm$[e-mail]...
> > In article <[e-mail]>,
> > [e-mail] (Beginnertunes) wrote:
> >
> > > From what she tells me, you'll only fit the LG, A, and B holes on that
> > tiny
> > > target,
> >
> > Bill.  Even that would be waste of ink.  You know you can only get one
> > note out of a skin flute.
> >
> > Pat
> >
> >
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From: Iain Richardson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: morrisons jig
Date: 27 Mar 2000 08:45:43 +0100

I have a setting of this but it won't work on the GHB - is that OK ?
Please email me directly if you would like me to send it.

[e-mail]

Shannon Lumsden wrote:
>
> Does anyone have the sheet music for morrisons jig in .gif format?
> Scott
> [e-mail]

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From: JOHN MITCHELL <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Metro CD tracks, OOPS!
Date: 27 Mar 2000 08:16:26 GMT

I forgot to include the URL

http://geocities.yahoo.com/macmitchell



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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Kron vs. Booth (was 'set o Bagpipes for sale)
Date: 24 Mar 2000 21:42:14 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
ccc31807 <[e-mail]> wrote:

> A man walks into a bar and says in a loud voice, "All lawyers
> are assholes."
>
> A drunk lifts his head from one of the tables and says, "I
> resent that remark."
>
> The man turns to him and says, "Why, are you a lawyer?"
>
> The drunk replies, "No, I'm an asshole!"

I guess if you can poke fun at yourself, then maybe you're not all bad.
So, was "asshole" in the 2,001?  Write back once more and I'll let you
have the last word.  I promise.

Pat


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From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Now *THIS* is Funny....
Date: 24 Mar 2000 20:44:10 GMT

>Hi Jim,
>
>(Chris said) ...
>
>>>Life is fun.
>
>>Yea Chris,
>>
>>Life must be fun when you are the only man in the universe to get a set of
>>silver pipes from your wife as a gift.
>
>Um, life was fun before that too.  Life would be fun without them.
>
>I'm not sure what you're getting at here, so I'll assume you're NOT
>slamming me.
>
>People who know me know that I always have a smile and a joke. Good
>times and bad.
>

Sorry ,
you had no way of seeing the smile on my face when I was posting that.
Just good old petty jealousy showing it's face over the new pipes and your
better fortune at finding one fantastic and unbelievably thoughtfull woman!

Congratulations to both of you.

As for my mate, I wouldn't trade her for a supermodel. But I do have to remind
myself of the old adage from time to time, " you don't always get what you want
but what you need". Expecially when she gets ahold of the Mastercard bill from
The British Shopper or J Higgins!!!

Cheers,


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From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Band Chanters
Date: 24 Mar 2000 21:46:05 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
ccc31807 <[e-mail]> wrote:
> We bought 15 Shepherd poly band chanters last year,...
> The chanters are somewhat low pitched, and give a nice, full
> sound, are forgiving to play, and match acceptably.

I hope you are refering to Shepards' Mark II chanter, (which you
apparently can't buy any more), and not their latest piece of crap, the
Mark III?

Pat


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From: Wayne Garthwait <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Saved by the case
Date: 27 Mar 2000 07:11:11 -0500



BostonPiper wrote:

> On my way to band practice yesterday, my car was struck from behind...

On March 7, My car was struck from behind as we were coming home from band
practice. This took place on I-95 - all five us walked away but my car was
totalled. I had placed my new Sinclairs (had them only 3 months) in the extreme
rear of the wagon on the right. They were in a soft case -Piperspac- which luckily
wasn't put to the test because the vehicle that hit us swerved to the left and
took out the entire left rear of my car. Only luck saved my pipes and I don't
think the soft case would have helped at all had that portion of the car been
struck.  Since then I have been thinking seriously about a hard case - what kind
do you have?

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From: "Michael McWilliams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Strathspey
Date: 25 Mar 2000 22:33:47 GMT

John,

Now that's a real musician's advice.
But as a rank novice...who's still not quite sure what's a stathspey...or a
reel...or an aire...or a march (OK...duh!)...I'd sure like to know what you
seasoned pipers consider exemplars of each form. On CD, of course. Any
suggestions?

Slαinte!

Michael McWilliams
Cohasset, MA


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> Piper Dave Lee <[e-mail]> wrote in
> > Can someone tell me in simple terms what are the characteristics of a
> > Strathspey?
>
> It's a type of tune that a highland dancer can really rock and bounce to!
>
> Why try to describe it, just listen to any good piping CD's
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From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions
Date: 27 Mar 2000 08:12:45 -0500


JSLOANPR <[e-mail]> wrote in message
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> 10 Mojoe charms to keeps Mauve's spells off  me and Dave and our pipes.
>
> The Mojoe charms being the most important item on the list!

That's a mighty false sense of security, Sweetie!!!!! Remember . . . the
only security in life is knowing there is no security!!!! Toss the charms .
. . :) :) :) :) :)
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From: [e-mail] (ALIXGUNN)
Subject: (bagpipe) Hey Mitchell!!
Date: 27 Mar 2000 13:23:58 GMT


    So.....after all that chatter about beating the pants off Dr. Brown at the
Detroit/Windsor Branch solos - - Where were you?????

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From: "Woober" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Hey Mitchell!!
Date: 27 Mar 2000 13:41:29 GMT

Who played?Who won ?Thanks Mike
ALIXGUNN <[e-mail]> wrote in message
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>
>     So.....after all that chatter about beating the pants off Dr. Brown at
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> Detroit/Windsor Branch solos - - Where were you?????



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From: "Nicolas Boseret" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: morrisons jig
Date: 27 Mar 2000 13:49:52 GMT

You can find the morrisson jig for GHB an hundreds of other tunes on
our site :
www.multimania.com/corneymusers

Slainte,




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From: Paul Mc. <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 27 Mar 2000 06:19:46 -0800

Boy, did this thread get way off topic or what?

Last bid I saw was $95.00 Canadian. I'll bid $100.00 Canadian.

(In case your wondering why I bid Canadian$ and not U.S.$, it's quite
simple; they're not REAL pipes, therefore I won't bid REAL money!)


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From: "IMOIR" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Continuing News From the North American Celtic Arts Festival
Date: 27 Mar 2000 14:21:56 GMT

John, when was the last time you judged a Pipe Band concert?

Are you saying that Reid Maxwell, who's won 5 or 6 World PB
championships (and judges somewhere in the world about every other
weekend) doesn't know what he's talking about?

You get real.

Ian

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:29:54 -0500 "John Mitchell"
<[e-mail]> wrote:
> HATHABODHRAN <[e-mail]> wrote in
> > More great clinics today.  Of particular interest was the clinic developed
> by
> > Reid Maxwell on performance.  The bottom line is that you can sway a judge
> by
> > your presentation up to the line.
>
> This is absolute, 100% Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> The one and only thing that the judge cares about, is the music.
>
> That load of crap comes from players that are caught up with
> the politics of the game. "Oh Aye, here's a good looking band,
> lets give them a listen"
>
> The day that the performers appearance has **ANY** significance
> to the result, is the day when we all should just pack it in and
> get our bonnets pressed for the post card crowd.
>
> What impresses a judge, is a great sound to start with, followed by
> some dam good playing. Where on the score sheets does the dress
> and deportment even exist.
>
> Go back and tell Coffee to get off his high pedestal, He may have won last
> years contest, but there's another one coming up soon. It doesn't matter
> how well his kilt is pressed, because he ain't impressing anyone if he's
> not playing up to snuff !
>
> Christ sakes, Dress & Deportment matters, what a ridiculous statement.
>
> I'm not saying that there's nothing wrong with taking pride in your
> appearance,
> but to actually think it makes a difference in the outcome of a musical
> contest!
>
> Get Real!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "IMOIR" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Continuing News From the North American Celtic Arts Festival
Date: 27 Mar 2000 14:29:42 GMT

I just can't stop myself....

When it's difficult to pick between the two or three top bands in a
grade based on their musical peformance (which happens more often in
Graade 1 and 2), how do you think a judge decides who to give the nod
to?

The judge will go to his impression if the band.  The impression you
give when you walk to the line, at the line and in the circle.  what
else is there?

There's no place on the score sheet for it, but it certainly has an
effect on the judge's receptiveness to the music.  Don't kid yourself.
As much as YOU may want it to only be about the music, the more
professional and composed you appear , the better chance you band will
have the edge if all other things are equal.

Remember:  World Championships-

Reid Maxwell - 6
John Mitchell - 0

Ian

On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:29:54 -0500 "John Mitchell"
<[e-mail]> wrote:
> HATHABODHRAN <[e-mail]> wrote in
> > More great clinics today.  Of particular interest was the clinic developed
> by
> > Reid Maxwell on performance.  The bottom line is that you can sway a judge
> by
> > your presentation up to the line.
>
> This is absolute, 100% Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> The one and only thing that the judge cares about, is the music.
>
> That load of crap comes from players that are caught up with
> the politics of the game. "Oh Aye, here's a good looking band,
> lets give them a listen"
>
> The day that the performers appearance has **ANY** significance
> to the result, is the day when we all should just pack it in and
> get our bonnets pressed for the post card crowd.
>
> What impresses a judge, is a great sound to start with, followed by
> some dam good playing. Where on the score sheets does the dress
> and deportment even exist.
>
> Go back and tell Coffee to get off his high pedestal, He may have won last
> years contest, but there's another one coming up soon. It doesn't matter
> how well his kilt is pressed, because he ain't impressing anyone if he's
> not playing up to snuff !
>
> Christ sakes, Dress & Deportment matters, what a ridiculous statement.
>
> I'm not saying that there's nothing wrong with taking pride in your
> appearance,
> but to actually think it makes a difference in the outcome of a musical
> contest!
>
> Get Real!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Doug Campbell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 27 Mar 2000 10:08:26 -0500



Beginnertunes wrote:

> So kiss and make
> up, get married, have kids, get divorced, and make each other miserable every
> weekend for 18 years. Because thats the meaning of life.
> Scotia Aye!
> Bill

LOL Bill!

got a little script running, have we?

Doug C


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 27 Mar 2000 15:36:45 GMT

>Last bid I saw was $95.00 Canadian. I'll bid $100.00 Canadian.
>
>(In case your wondering why I bid Canadian$ and not U.S.$, it's quite
>simple; they're not REAL pipes, therefore I won't bid REAL money!)
>

Well then I bid 100,000 rubles, or 600,000 dinos.
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: Doug Campbell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: For all the Pipers Audience
Date: 27 Mar 2000 10:23:46 -0500



ccc31807 wrote:

> I have used several general music and bagpipe programs over the
> years, and my current favorite (although given my history I will
> move on to something else after a while) is Lime, because (1)
> it's dirt cheap, (2) its very powerful, (3) it looks nice in
> print, but on the other side, its (4) clunky to use, (5) it has
> a steep learning curve, and (6) even though its much, much more
> flexible than piping software, it has its limits.

Another advantage of Lime is that it is available for the Macintosh platform.
To my knowledge none of the bagpipe notation programs are.

Doug C.


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From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) That Something Special
Date: 27 Mar 2000 15:20:52 GMT

They are.... drum roll please... "The Viking Saga Pipes" by Rolf of Sweden,
Pipemaker!  The ivory is 16,000 year old Siberian Mammoth tusk.  The motif
was "lifted" from the border mounting of a 600 AD Viking shield found in
Gotland, Sveden.  The blowpipe is silver lined.  The stocks are all brass
lined, except for the blowpipe stock, which is silver lined.  Even the L'il
Mac is made of silver!  The silver on the tuning pins extends 10mm into the
mount.  Yes, they were very expensive.  No, they do not belong to me.  And
no, I haven't played them.

Rolf Littorin was taught the "art" of making pipes by his father (who was a
professional turner) at the age of seven.  So, without giving away too much,
Rolf has been turning pipes for 50 years.  He makes about 6 sets of pipes
each year, and of course, custom work is his specialty.  His expertise, and
his tooling, allows him to custom make drones to suit your eyes and your
ears.  Rolf works with exotic woods, silver, and other materials (walrus
ivory, Water Buffalo horn, etc.).

You may wish to check out his web site.  I understand that it's getting a
major overhaul sometime in the next week.

http://home.swipnet.se/rospipes/

Ringo



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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Saved by the case
Date: 27 Mar 2000 10:25:07 -0500

I believe you have to be a union member to get the  Union's group insurance
rates. ( make sense, s doesn't it?) Something to coinsider on insurance- Figure
out what it costs over the life of you pipes to insure them, then compare that
to a replacement cost. I figure I've saved enough over the last 20 years by not
buying insurance to pay for a new set of pipes, and a set of Lowlands besides.
I'm thus "self-insured".  If my pipes get stolen or wrecked, then I have to come
up with the replacement cost. If I've carefully stashed away some of my earn9ings
in s a sacings account ( whixcch I have), then the mony is there and earning (a
ptitful amount) of interest untill I shopuld need to make such replacement. It's
a gamble . If you do play for pay as I do , or as Zu does,  your homeowner's
insurance will not cover a your musical instruments.

Zudupiper wrote:

> >How can I insure my pipes???
> >
>
> Either get a rider on your homeowners' insurance (but you can't play the pipes
> professionally if so), or go through the Musicians' Union to insure them as an
> instrument.
>
> Musician's Union insurance is about 3 or 4 times as expensive as the
> homeowners' rider.
>
> Zu


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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions
Date: 27 Mar 2000 10:44:32 -0500

1979 Gallanders&McLeod pipes, BP#2 with Canmore bag
Henderson Harmonic Drone Reeds,
Wygent Synthe-Drone Reeds( original model)
Ross Composite drone reeds,
Sheperd plastic drone reeds, original model(Crisler replacement tongues)

R Two sets of blown-in cane drone reeds, a box of assorted d cane drone reeds,  a
fist ful of cane chanter rreeds ( most Sandy Hain and Harkness)

One Bellows-blown combination ( or bastard or hermaphrodite  depending on your
choice of nomenclature) bagpipe- Originally made by Gordon Mooney, finished by
Braian McCandless- with Border chanter in A and a Cushing A smallpipe chanter
(delrin), assorted reeds etc.
 One Cushing Long Chanter in B-flat (Delrin),
one G&C long Chanter - sent out for repair  over two years ago, still waiting for
return.

Whistles: D, C, B-flat , G Piper Mike's Low D.
1 Tibetan flute - in A = fingering like a tin whistle.

1 tenor banjo ( tuned plectrum- CGBD)
1 half-size fiddle, 1 Armstrong student model flute,

1  1971 MiraFone 1854U BBb upright concert tuba, with about 5  mouthpieces. ( This
is by far the most expensive instrument of the lot, except for the piano in the
den.)

 Other miscellaneous instruments which my son is using now ,including several more
whistles and one or two chanters.


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From: [e-mail] (SaltyPiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Continuing News From the North American Celtic Arts Festival
Date: 27 Mar 2000 15:48:55 GMT

     The clinic was excellent.  I, unfortunately due to work, could only get to
Saturdays classes.  I started off by taking a class on chanter sound presented
by Jack Lee that was very informative.  And my next class on MSR expression was
also very good.  The toper though was the SFU concert Saturday night, it was
incredible.  I even had to watch ΓÇ£Music and the spoken wordΓÇ¥ on TV Sunday
morning to see the band perform one more time.
     If anyone from SFU sees this newsgroup, I just want to say ΓÇ£THANKYOUΓÇ¥
to all of you and I hope to do it again real soon.
                                                              Dave

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From: [e-mail] (EdASmith)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 27 Mar 2000 15:48:01 GMT

> Really, you're ignoring what's coming out of the
>chanter while you're tuning.
>
>Zu

This is where the Piper's Third Hand comes in handy - it helps you to hear the
harmonics AS you do the tuning, something you cannot really do with any note
that is not true due to a hand being off the chanter. (Assuming the chanter is
corrected tuned).

In practice, I find that I tune, then check (with both hands on), tune, and
check ... I'm never really tuning to my ear while I have my hand off the
chanter.  At least, for the initial tuning.  Then, as I tune drones to one
another, I play HiA simply because it is harmonically close (even with the
bottom hand off), and because it is the quietest note, allowing me to hear the
harmonics between the drones I am tuning.  Finally, I check my "C" harmonics,
primarily for the bass (see Ewen MacPherson's excellent web pages on
harmonics).

I seldom use the 3rd Hand any more, but it did help me hear how I was
underblowing my HiA when I was tuning my drones.  I had attributed the flatness
of my Hi
A to my bottom hand being off the chanter, not to my blowing pressure.

Edward Smith
Burton, MI

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From: "Ian Robertson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Piobaireachd:  Known and Un-
Date: 26 Mar 2000 08:43:56 -0700

Thanks for letting us know about this new book; it is already listed at
Amazon.co.uk for 30 pounds--not clear now quickly it might actually be
available, though...

The last few years have been good to piping literature. While I am still
surprized at how little has been written on the instrument, recent works by
John Gibson, Barry Shears, and Bridget MacKenzie have improved the situation
immensely. I can't wait to read the new volume by Donaldson.

Best,

Ian Robertson


Jim McGillivray wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>Folks:
>If this sort of piobaireachd talk interests you, I strongly recommend a new
book
>that has just come onto the market as of February.  Called "The Highland
Pipe
>and Scottish Society: 1750-1950", it is written by piper and academic
researcher
>William Donaldson.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Happy Ending (WAS: Stolen Bagpipes)
Date: 27 Mar 2000 16:14:16 GMT

I recovered my family heirloom Hendersons on Saturday morning. The
person who had them was fully cooperative, and the pipes were unharmed,
so I agreed not to press charges or identify him to the media. I am
assured, however, that the military has other plans for him.
Unfortunately, his go-go dancer accomplice is getting off Scot-free.

Thanks again for your prayers and positive thoughts.

Jim Roberts


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From: "Michael McWilliams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Happy Ending (WAS: Stolen Bagpipes)
Date: 27 Mar 2000 16:45:45 GMT

Yehaa! Quick thinking!
Congratulations!
Now go lock up those beauties!

Slαinte!

Michael McWilliams
Cohasset, MA

<[e-mail]> wrote in message news:8bo1c8$8ga$[e-mail]...
> I recovered my family heirloom Hendersons on Saturday morning. The
> person who had them was fully cooperative, and the pipes were unharmed,
> so I agreed not to press charges or identify him to the media. I am
> assured, however, that the military has other plans for him.
> Unfortunately, his go-go dancer accomplice is getting off Scot-free.
>
> Thanks again for your prayers and positive thoughts.
>
> Jim Roberts
>
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From: "Blair" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 27 Mar 2000 11:50:52 -0500

I think a warning is in order here for novice pipers. You do NOT tune your
pipes to the note you are playing as you adjust your drones. I know this has
already been stated in earlier posts, but it is easy to get the wrong
impression from this thread in general.

For an excellent article by Jim McGillivray on tuning drones, check out the
Southern Cross pipe Band page at
http://mail.dtdantel.com.uy/piping/tips.stm

and go to Drone Tuning.

....Blair


Zudupiper <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> >Whew, if I'm judging somewhere and you use the one-hand "E" to tune
> >your drones to, you'll hear about it on the scoresheet.  It's an aural
> >assault on the ears!!!!  Oh yes, you'll hear about it.
>
> Great...I'm already playing a 2/4 you don't like, and I can compound that
by
> tuning to E.  Dinna worry, I'll tune to D and play a different march if
you're
> judging ; )
>
> Zu
>
>
>
>



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From: Richard <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North American Celtic Arts Festival/SFU PROBLEMS!
Date: 27 Mar 2000 08:23:30 -0800

Jim:

There are many of us in the piping community that know exactly
what and how you did the work shop in the Spring of 1999. This
was accomplished via your hard work and professional performance
with the BYU Highland Arts Association, and SFU. The webb site
did say SFU at BYU!

The work shop started out small with only 3 or 4 of SFU's best
coming to Provo. Then it grew when the entire SFU band came down
and did the concert. People in the community know this as fact
not fiction.

The problem with some people is that they could not/will not
understand that a mere college sophomore could put on such a
first class production AND work the entire background logistics
problems at the same time PLUS a concert to boot.

Just keep up the good work and remember: Rome wasn't built in a
day but then you were not the construction foreman on that job
either.

Best of luck!

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From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Happy Ending (WAS: Stolen Bagpipes)
Date: 27 Mar 2000 12:19:51 -0500

On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:14:16 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:

>I recovered my family heirloom Hendersons on Saturday morning. The
>person who had them was fully cooperative, and the pipes were unharmed,
>so I agreed not to press charges or identify him to the media. I am
>assured, however, that the military has other plans for him.
>Unfortunately, his go-go dancer accomplice is getting off Scot-free.

Where's Tony Soprano when you need him?

Chris

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From: pg <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Aurora Music/UTAH
Date: 27 Mar 2000 09:31:39 -0800

I have gone to all extents with this poor business and
unfortunately had to report them to the Feds (Better Business
Bureau.)  They already have more than a dozen complaints!  It's
not the average person I am just worried about, but also the
performers and instructors of the festival.  I sure hope they get
paid...it is nothing like getting stiffed after a major gig.

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From: [e-mail] (ALIXGUNN)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Hey Mitchell!!
Date: 27 Mar 2000 17:38:54 GMT


   We had Hector MacDonald, John MacKenzie, Bruce Burt, Bill Baird, Matt
Turnbull, and Martin Brown.
   Bob Worrall judging

I'm pretty certain about piobairechd
   3) Martin Brown
   2) Matt Turnbull
   1) Bruce Burt

The rest of it I'll check with Alisdair about.

 I DO remember that Bill Baird didn't finish in the top 3  for the evening, but
his students did well in chanter competition; and his son took 1st in grade v.
   I felt sorry for the poor adult who went up against Cameron. Seven years old
and he seems perfectly at ease in front of the judge!


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From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time
Date: 27 Mar 2000 08:19:57 -0500

Jim McGill <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Bagpipes:
>
> 2 - Thracian Bulgarian Gajdas with 6-8 extra chanters
> 1 - Rhodope Bulgarian Gajda
. . . .
> oh yes and
> 1 - Highland set with a practice chanter

JIM!!!!!!!!!  How did I know YOU would be the one to make me feel so much
better about all of this!!! LOL!!!!!! THANK YOU! And the rest of you out
there with the huge stashes really contributed to the loss of my guilt as
well! It really helped out while I was at the conference! I only spent $100
on non-bagpipe related stuff!!!! And I prioritized everything with "If I
don't buy this, I could buy that new chanter that I want" and "If I don't
buy this, I can put it towards the new [whatever] for the new pipe that's
coming!"  So I saved myself a ton of money that can be best spent later :)
:) See, I'm learning to rationalize as well :)
And the money that I made judging went towards the new chanter that I have
now so that it balanced the household funds!! It was a wash!!! Good of me,
eh?I'll keep working on this! Thanks for all of the therapy! I loved hearing
what everyone has in their stashes :) :)
--
Love and Light be with you,
Maeve . . . in sunny Florida!
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From: "Peter Ellis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Turn $6 into $6000
Date: 27 Mar 2000 21:24:26 +0100



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name at #1 and if still 5 persons per 200 newsgroups react I will receive
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of those joining the actual internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and
this will really work. GOOD LUCK!!!

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From: [e-mail] (TLER4)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 27 Mar 2000 21:03:38 GMT

>>I still think he needs to get a life....
>>
>>[e-mail]
>

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Glad St. Pat's Day only comes once a year...
Date: 27 Mar 2000 21:31:42 GMT

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (TLER4) wrote:
> >>I still think he needs to get a life....
> >>
> >>[e-mail]
> >
>
> ........................................

Original?!?  Perhaps a little repetive???

Ryan Jones


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Happy Ending (WAS: Stolen Bagpipes)
Date: 27 Mar 2000 22:41:44 GMT

>Thanks again for your prayers and positive thoughts.
>
>Jim Roberts
>

Congrats Jim! Now I think you should send them to me to insure they'll be safe
:?)
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Hilndr30)
Subject: (bagpipe) Scottish Modern ??
Date: 27 Mar 2000 22:46:34 GMT

Does anyone out ther know if Scottish Modern in Summit, IL has a web site? I
have there phone number, but was hoping that they might be online??
Thank You!!

Ed

Edward K. Merritt
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City of Chattanooga Pipe Band
http//cocpb.hypermart.net

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Drum equipment buy and sell.
Date: 27 Mar 2000 23:55:53 GMT

I saw a post with drums for sale a few weeks ago. Does anyone remember who was
selling the Bass drum for $300?
TIA
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe maintenance while travelling.
Date: 28 Mar 2000 00:34:07 GMT

>taking my pipes with me.  I'm playing cane drone reeds in a sheepskin
>bag, and play at least an hour a day.


The cabin air in the plane is very dry, and if you don't take some precautions,
your pipes are going to suffer.  When I travel with my good pipes, I play them
the night before, then take them apart as normal, but put everything in a
plastic garbage bag, then into another garbage bag...each one tightly sealed.
Then into the case as usual.

The first time I traveled with pipes, I didn't know to do this, and after I got
to my destination and was playing a bit,the pipes fell apart in my hands!
Chanter came right out of the stock mid-tune.  All the joints had shrunk
somehow.

ANd that was with a goretex bag.  Maybe you'd want to put a damp sponge in the
inner bag since you're playing sheep, but I don't really know.

Zu

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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipers third hand
Date: 28 Mar 2000 00:49:31 GMT

>In practice, I find that I tune, then check (with both hands on), tune, and
>check ... I'm never really tuning to my ear while I have my hand off the
>chanter.  At least, for the initial tuning.

RIght, that's what I do for the very very first tuning I do (outside tenor to
loA in my case)....guess I should say "very first ITERATION" of tuning.

I tune a tenor to loA and check it with both hands, then I play D or something
while tuning the bass to the tenor, and then continue to play as I add the
middle tenor.  I don't check with both hands until I've got all 3 drones going.

Then after 5 minutes I repeat the process, and again 5-10 minutes later.  But I
only check the initial drone to loA.  The rest of the time I just ignore what's
coming out of the chanter.

>I seldom use the 3rd Hand any more, but it did help me hear how I was
>underblowing my HiA when I was tuning my drones.  I had attributed the
>flatness
>of my Hi
>A to my bottom hand being off the chanter, not to my blowing pressure.

Good point.

Zu


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From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: How to buy a bagpipe
Date: 28 Mar 2000 01:04:29 GMT

>> And 3 of them have the letter "n" in the firm name.
>>
>> Zu
>
>So that would be Gibson, Gibson & Gibson. ;-)

No, my list doesn't include makers with a track record of well-documented bad
service, or widespread rumors of wood cracking, or ornamental carving, but it
does include one maker with a firm name that doesn't *end* in N.

Zu

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From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 27 Mar 2000 19:01:48 -0700

Once again, you haven't seen a set, you haven't heard a set what makes you such an
expert on them. The Many booths in the band are holding up just fine and the
judging sheets up hold my opinion of tone. So unless you are saying that some of
the best pipers in  Canada and the U.S. (Judges) don't know what they are saying.
They sound quite good  I actually HAVE  several sets of these in that band and play
a set myself and they are holding up  very nicely.

Don

Beginnertunes wrote:

> >I am not even wasting my time with you any more. Rave on.
> >
> >Don
>
> You, you mean, your giving up trying to convert me? Gee I was just on the verge
> of selling my prized 1940's Hendersons to buy TWO SETS of booths too! Just
> think I could have that sweet Henderson sound from a $900 set of balsa wood
> pipes that unlike my AB Krons, or  my prized hendersons that have already been
> around for 60 years, those monkey wood Booths will self destruct within a
> relatively short time... Hmmm tough decision.

--
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From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 28 Mar 2000 02:18:50 GMT

Beginnertunes wrote:
>
> >Last bid I saw was $95.00 Canadian. I'll bid $100.00 Canadian.
> >
> >(In case your wondering why I bid Canadian$ and not U.S.$, it's quite
> >simple; they're not REAL pipes, therefore I won't bid REAL money!)
> >
>
> Well then I bid 100,000 rubles, or 600,000 dinos.
> Scotia Aye!
> Bill

I just went to the universal currency converter, it said 100,000 rubles
is $3,532.32 USD. http://www.xe.net/ucc/
Sold.
Mike

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From: "jvh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe maintenance while travelling.
Date: 27 Mar 2000 18:33:37 -0600


Zudupiper <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
When I travel with my good pipes, I play them
> the night before, then take them apart as normal, but put everything in a
> plastic garbage bag, then into another garbage bag...each one tightly
sealed.
> Then into the case as usual.
>
Thanks , Zu - I received the same advice from someone else via e-mail, and
it sounds like the way to go.

Cheers,

Michael



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From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 28 Mar 2000 04:05:49 GMT

sdon wrote:
>
> Once again, you haven't seen a set, you haven't heard a set what makes you such an
> expert on them. The Many booths in the band are holding up just fine and the
> judging sheets up hold my opinion of tone. So unless you are saying that some of
> the best pipers in  Canada and the U.S. (Judges) don't know what they are saying.
> They sound quite good  I actually HAVE  several sets of these in that band and play
> a set myself and they are holding up  very nicely.
>
> Don
>
> Beginnertunes wrote:
>
> > >I am not even wasting my time with you any more. Rave on.
> > >
> > >Don
> >
> > You, you mean, your giving up trying to convert me? Gee I was just on the verge
> > of selling my prized 1940's Hendersons to buy TWO SETS of booths too! Just
> > think I could have that sweet Henderson sound from a $900 set of balsa wood
> > pipes that unlike my AB Krons, or  my prized hendersons that have already been
> > around for 60 years, those monkey wood Booths will self destruct within a
> > relatively short time... Hmmm tough decision.
>
> --
> PIPER AT LARGE ([e-mail])
> White Peaks Pipe Band
> http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html

My Band has 6 sets and they are all just like new, but from 2-4 years
young.  We have never used the warnok chanters, but everything else is
in use.  No complaints from me, and they hold tuning well.
Mike

Irish Heritage Pipe Band

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From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time
Date: 27 Mar 2000 23:06:39 -0500

Bob Cameron <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Maeve- you may have a compulsive collector problem- I fI remebr correctly,
> back about the time John"suunyboy" mitchell was visiting, you mentioned
> something about haveing a third husband around. Now it seem sto me that
this
> collecting thing has, well, just gotten a wee bit out of hand.   Maye it's
> time to unlaod a set or two of pipes- lighten yoru conscience a bit
 aside to
> ng- do you think she'll buy it?,. nudge nudge...)

No, Bob . . . I unloaded a "husband" instead. Made the load a LOT lighter!
Now if I could just unload the other two, I could concentrate on the pipe
collecting end ;) :) :) :) :) Of course, it was rather easy getting Husband
#3 to fly back to Canada. He asked me one night if we could have a BIG
BREAKFAST in the morning. I looked at him and said "Sure thing". The next
morning, while the boys were still asleep, I got up like the dutiful wife
and went to MacDonald's, ordered two Big Breakfasts, and had them on the
table when they woke up! I think John left the next day ;) :) :) :) :) I'd
be more interested in sending you the remaining husbands . . not the pipes,
Bob :) :) :)
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Maeve . . . in sunny Florida
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From: "Bob Brodie" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North American Celtic Arts Festival/SFU PROBLEMS!
Date: 28 Mar 2000 05:49:28 GMT

Here's hoping that all the problems got sorted out.  But one thing I have to
comment on...Dan Stuart is no college student.  He's well into his 40's, and
a very pleasant man indeed.

He attended the WUSPBA AGM back in January, and I had the opportunity to
spend some time with him.  It is true that he's new to the pipe band
promotion scene, but he has done other events. We spent some time together
with games organizers that were also in attendance at WUSPBA's AGM, and they
were all sharing hints and tips about putting on their various events.

My impression from meeting him was that of a hard working guy, doing the
best he can to put on a first rate event.

regards,

Bob Brodie



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> >Aurora Music is owned by Dan Stuart...
>
> I know Dan as an honorable person who does his best to ensure problems get
> resolved.  I hope you contact Dan about the situation with your tickets.
He
> did a pretty good job getting this festival organized and moving.  No
small job
> if you have ever participated in such an event.  Aurora made a mistake
with my
> tickets as well and it got resolved with one phone call.
> Bruce



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From: "KH" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting for Suo Gann?
Date: 27 Mar 2000 23:49:58 -0600

Japanese war movie, "Empire of the Sun", choir boy, don't remember the candy
bar, Great movie, highly recommended to rent
KH


"Piper" <[e-mail]> wrote in message news:8bkdh2$l1o$[e-mail]...
> It's also in "Weddings and Funerals" which is a cheaply published book
with
> a green cover and is bound by one of those cheap plastic clamp thingies.
I
> loved it though when I heard it played in that Vietnamese war movie...I
> think it was "Temple of the Rising Sun" or something like that...you know,
> the one with the quire boy who wanted a candy bar...
>
>
> "Waterfly" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> news:[e-mail]...
> > >It's in one of the "Highland Harmonies" books . .. Sui Gwan, is the
> spelling
> > >in the book, I believe.
> > It's a Welch lullaby, spelled Suo Gan, and it is lovely on the pipes.
> >
>
>
>



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From: trghil <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North American Celtic Arts Festival/SFU PROBLEMS!
Date: 27 Mar 2000 22:08:24 -0800

Yeh...if you do a little digging on Dan Stuart, you would be
amazed on what you would find.  I am not going to say anything
more, however, just ask his former employer Novell, Inc., the
founder and creator of the North American Celtic Arts Festival
Jim Detjen (not involved since November due to problems with
these guys), BYU, Provo City, Provo Marriott management staff,
and the Utah courts.  All I had to do was to make a few phone
calls and the cat just fell out of the bag.  Jim Detjen, however,
cannot be reached to find out the real scoop with why he left his
thousands of hours of hard work for nothing.  People have said
that he will not talk due to a stipulation signed for letting
Aurora to complete HIS work.  He has moved from Utah, suposedly,
for protection.  I have even been told that he has a restraining
order on Dan and Aurora!  What the hell went on.  Hey Jim, if you
are out there...tell us what has been going on and why you
just quit!!!!

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From: jd <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: North American Celtic Arts Festival/SFU PROBLEMS!
Date: 27 Mar 2000 22:26:59 -0800

Jim here.  I would like to discuss what went on, however, even
though the "gag order" (if you will) is over with, I have to
still respect Dan Stuart, Craig Coleby, and Aurora Music's
privacy.  What went on was, and is still, very personal.  This
median is most definitely not the way to discuss anything of such
a personal nature.  Rumors then begin and we all get hurt.

I am glad, though, that things seem to have went well with SFU
and the other artists with accommodations and facilities.  It was
awesome to see SFU perform with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.  SFU
is such a professional and outstanding organization.  Terry and
Jack bring so much to the piping/drumming world.  It always
brings a "chill up my spine" when I hear their great sound.

Yes, I have moved; and am now moving on with my life.  Please, I
do ask of all of you to stop the gossip about Aurora.  It is
unfair for all who gets hurt from these kinds of things,
especially for the artists who were involved.



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From: "KH" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting for Suo Gann?
Date: 28 Mar 2000 01:03:18 -0600

As mentioned in earlier postings, the movie (Japanese war movie) is "Empire
of the Sun" - the music score is great and the movie's good too - it's a
video rental I would recommend.
KH

"Piper" <[e-mail]> wrote in message news:8bkdh2$l1o$[e-mail]...
> It's also in "Weddings and Funerals" which is a cheaply published book
with
> a green cover and is bound by one of those cheap plastic clamp thingies.
I
> loved it though when I heard it played in that Vietnamese war movie...I
> think it was "Temple of the Rising Sun" or something like that...you know,
> the one with the quire boy who wanted a candy bar...
>
>
> "Waterfly" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> news:[e-mail]...
> > >It's in one of the "Highland Harmonies" books . .. Sui Gwan, is the
> spelling
> > >in the book, I believe.
> > It's a Welch lullaby, spelled Suo Gan, and it is lovely on the pipes.
> >
>
>
>



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From: Grahame Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Aurora
Date: 27 Mar 2000 23:49:06 -0800

Friends...

I went to the Festival in Utah and was one of the lucky ones.  Nothing
untoward happened to my money or tickets.  SFU acquitted themselves very
well and must be held blamless for any problems which might have
ocurred.

There were quite a few.

Mostly related to setup and administration and nothing to do with the
band or other players.

Registration was a farce.  The times for registration were changed about
four times and finally, registration was cancelled on Thursday and took
place on Friday morning.  Long lines of upset people were in evidence
and it's a shame that the whole thing had to start this way.  There were
several changes of venues for various classes and while this was not too
annoying to me personally, lots of folks accustomed to a more organized
approach were fairly upset.  I think we saw well intentioned efforts but
I do believe that the organizers needed much more help than they planned
for.  Several lecturers were without overhead projectors or screens and
I think they might have felt a tad bit helpless under these
circumstances.  Most folks made the best of a bad situation although I
sensed some mild frustration among the various lecturers as these
"discoveries" were made.

For my part, the Hotel people were very hospitable and I found the food
and amenities most acceptable. Marriot did a good job making me feel
welcome.

I think we can always learn something from these events, even if it is
what not to do.

In my opinion, the stature of an organization like the SFU band rides
over any local or provincial difficulties.

My personal hope is that the folks at Aurora Productions have learned
where their shortcomings lie and will do a better job next time.

Just my one cents worth.....Grahame Davis


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From: [e-mail] (Michael Connolly)
Subject: (bagpipe) WTB old chanter
Date: 28 Mar 2000 01:07:22 -0600

   I've saved up my money and bought some Walsh shuttle pipes (love them,
by the way, and I'll answer any questions people may have about them.)
These and other small pipes are the only ones I've played - but a one-week
"affair" with a borrowed set of Highland pipes has me hooked.  Lacking the
funds needed (on my way to college in the fall at U of Michigan), I'm
going to give the homebrew PVC route a try.  But the chanter looks a
little too difficult for my taste - I know there are too many variables
there to screw up.

   So what I'm getting at is this.  Does anyone have an old highland pipe
chanter they're not using that they'd like to sell to me fairly cheaply?
I think I can handle the rest of the construction, but having a working
chanter would be a good thing.

   On the same note, anyone have an old set of synthetic drone reeds?

   I'm not looking for top-quality stuff here, just a serviceable chanter
to help me get started...

   thanks...

Michael

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From: trghil <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Aurora
Date: 28 Mar 2000 02:36:16 -0800

What next time?! If I were SFU, or anyone to say the least, I
would never work with such an unprofessional organization again.
 I agree with Graham that SFU is above this.  It is just
unfortunate that they did not listen to the warnings, especially
when the founder and creator himself left Aurora way back in
November.

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Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Turn $6 into $6000
Date: 28 Mar 2000 11:57:36 GMT

It would be a shame if EVERYBODY filled out magazine subscription cards
with these addresses!



 #1) Lawrence Tran
 3346 Gladys Avenue
 Rosemead, CA 91770

 #2) James C Heywood
 437 N Belmont Place #260
 Provo, Utah 84606

 #3) Dorothy Agat
 60 Mountview Ave. #111
 Toronto, Ontario, Canada
 M6P-2L4

 #4) A. Iizuka
 3959 Lewister Rd.
 North Vancouver, BC, Canada
 V7R 4C2

 #5)Grant Griffith
 2701 S. Sherman
 Sioux Falls, SD USA 57105

 #6) P. Ellis
 42 Culver Road
 Stockport
 Cheshire, SK3 8PG
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From: "Spicer, J.W.M." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) File of copied posts on artificially blowing in reeds
Date: 28 Mar 2000 12:51:15 GMT

Hi Andrew,

    Could you possibly send me the same file of copied posts on
artificially blowing in reeds?  Thanks!

        Jane Spicer
        Columbia, Maryland


Andrew & Kristen Lenz wrote:
>
> > I set up a thing that has an air flow regulator and is run off a small
> > air compressor.  The chanter reed is then mounted in my practice
> > chanter and it is hooked up to the air.  Has any body tried this idea
> > before and what are some thoughts on it?
>
> We talked about this last September on the NG. So everyone knows, I sent
> Gene my file of copied posts on this subject.
>
> Andrew
> --
> Andrew & Kristen Lenz
> [e-mail]
> Santa Cruz, California U.S.A.

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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Turn $6 into $6000
Date: 28 Mar 2000 13:29:49 GMT

>It would be a shame if EVERYBODY filled out magazine subscription cards
>with these addresses!

Yes THAT would be very naughty of us, wouldn't it? Count me in!!!!
Hee hee hee
Scotia Aye!
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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 28 Mar 2000 13:38:44 GMT

>I just went to the universal currency converter, it said 100,000 rubles
>is $3,532.32 USD.

Yes, but I charge $3,442.32 handling charge to go to the bank and convert it,
so my bid is still the same in US currency.
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Beginnertunes)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 28 Mar 2000 13:49:33 GMT

>Once again, you haven't seen a set, you haven't heard a set what makes you
>such an
>expert on them.

One more time dummy. I have almost 100 years of "piping experience" to advise
me. The opinions are from people I know and trust. Not to mention the 1/2 dozen
or so emails from people laughing at you.
You could've come on here and said they were great stix, and left it at that. I
only got after you because you made the erroneous claim that they sounded "as
good as vintage Hendersons", which was only telling me the quality of your ears
leaves a lot to be desired. Grade4 are you???? I even gave you an out when I
said "they're good pipes", but you persisted anyways. Then you were "through
with me", and yet you continue to respond long after this thread should've
died. I've got all the time in the world.
Your easy man....
Scotia Aye!
Bill


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From: "Burl Updyke" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Leather for bellows
Date: 28 Mar 2000 14:20:53 GMT

Can anyone tell me the weight of leather (in oz) that would be suitable for
a set of bellows for small pipes? I would like to order some leather , and
do not know how to relate ounces to thickness. I was looking at a set of
small pipes recently, and the leather seemed to be a little on the heavy
side, but the bellows worked well.  Any help will be appreciated.
Thank you.

Burl Updyke




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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Happy Ending (WAS: Stolen Bagpipes)
Date: 28 Mar 2000 09:21:50 -0500



Michael McWilliams wrote:

> Yehaa! Quick thinking!
> Congratulations!
> Now go lock up those beauties!
>

Did you mean the pipes , or the go-go dancers?


>
> Slαinte!
>
> Michael McWilliams
> Cohasset, MA

Slan leibh,
 Bob Cameron,
Braintree, MA


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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Hey Mitchell!!
Date: 28 Mar 2000 09:23:25 -0500



ALIXGUNN wrote:

>    We had Hector MacDonald, John MacKenzie, Bruce Burt, Bill Baird, Matt
> Turnbull, and Martin Brown.
>    Bob Worrall judging
>
> I'm pretty certain about piobairechd
>    3) Martin Brown
>    2) Matt Turnbull
>    1) Bruce Burt
>
> The rest of it I'll check with Alisdair about.
>
>  I DO remember that Bill Baird didn't finish in the top 3  for the evening, but
> his students did well in chanter competition; and his son took 1st in grade v.
>    I felt sorry for the poor adult who went up against Cameron.

Good name for a piper, that ;-)


> Seven years old
> and he seems perfectly at ease in front of the judge!


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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: set o Bagpipes for sale
Date: 28 Mar 2000 09:32:08 -0500

Sorry- you made the offer- it's your responsibilty to provide the funds- you
cannot bill the seller the conversion fee, any more that you could bill them the
interest on the loan you'd have to take out to come up with the scratch.

Beginnertunes wrote:

> >I just went to the universal currency converter, it said 100,000 rubles
> >is $3,532.32 USD.
>
> Yes, but I charge $3,442.32 handling charge to go to the bank and convert it,
> so my bid is still the same in US currency.
> Scotia Aye!
> Bill


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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: True Confessions time
Date: 28 Mar 2000 09:42:20 -0500



Maeve wrote:

> snip

> ) Of course, it was rather easy getting Husband
> #3 to fly back to Canada. He asked me one night if we could have a BIG
> BREAKFAST in the morning. I looked at him and said "Sure thing". The next
> morning, while the boys were still asleep, I got up like the dutiful wife
> and went to MacDonald's, ordered two Big Breakfasts, and had them on the
> table when they woke up! I think John left the next day ;) :) :) :) :) I'd
> be more interested in sending you the remaining husbands . . not the pipes,
> Bob :) :) :)
>

 No thanks, Maeve, i don't need any husbands- and I'm fairly sure my wife
doesn't want any more either.

>
> Love and Light be with you,
> Maeve . . . in sunny Florida

Solus agus gradh a dhuit,
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From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: That Something Special
Date: 28 Mar 2000 09:39:12 -0500

I have corresponded with Rolf ocaasionally   over the last couple of years when
I was looking to buy a set of Border pipes. rolf had a set of Naills in B-flat,
but I was looking for A at the time, so I didn't buy those pipes, but I would
definitely contact him again- easy to do business with and quite
knowledhgeable, tajkes a great deal of pride in his work.  He does on occasion
take pipes in trade-in- which is how he had the Border pipes, so you might well
consider checking in with him from time to time fi you're looking for goiod
used pipes. His own pipes are beautiful , based on the sets pictured on his
site.  I'd love to hear a set sometime, but have not as yet.  (Couldn't let
this thread go by without puuting in a good word )

Ron Bowen wrote:

> They are.... drum roll please... "The Viking Saga Pipes" by Rolf of Sweden,
> Pipemaker!  The ivory is 16,000 year old Siberian Mammoth tusk.  The motif
> was "lifted" from the border mounting of a 600 AD Viking shield found in
> Gotland, Sveden.  The blowpipe is silver lined.  The stocks are all brass
> lined, except for the blowpipe stock, which is silver lined.  Even the L'il
> Mac is made of silver!  The silver on the tuning pins extends 10mm into the
> mount.  Yes, they were very expensive.  No, they do not belong to me.  And
> no, I haven't played them.
>
> Rolf Littorin was taught the "art" of making pipes by his father (who was a
> professional turner) at the age of seven.  So, without giving away too much,
> Rolf has been turning pipes for 50 years.  He makes about 6 sets of pipes
> each year, and of course, custom work is his specialty.  His expertise, and
> his tooling, allows him to custom make drones to suit your eyes and your
> ears.  Rolf works with exotic woods, silver, and other materials (walrus
> ivory, Water Buffalo horn, etc.).
>
> You may wish to check out his web site.  I understand that it's getting a
> major overhaul sometime in the next week.
>
> http://home.swipnet.se/rospipes/
>
> Ringo


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From: Jay & Cris Johnson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) North American Celtic Arts Festival
Date: 28 Mar 2000 06:51:50 -0800

Just a few quick comments regarding the Festival this past weekend.

Considering all facets of organizing a short-term event, my hats go off
to Aurora Productions and all the workers at the Festival. They did a
great job!

Yes, there were a few problems. But, I'll let you all tell us how smooth
ANY event is run...how things went flawlessly...etc. There were mixups,
to be sure, and for those nicked with perfection, it would be extremely
irritating. Yet, the bottom line was...most things went great, most of
the instruction was outstanding, and combine the terrific programs that
were in place, and you have a marvelous festival that Aurora should be
proud of.

I've been to many Highland Games (ones that had been around for fifty
years or more!) where things didn't run half as smoothly and where the
organizers of the event were so rude, you had no desire to return EVER.
My plans are already in place to return next year...and hopefully with
more of my band members.

Many thanks to Dan Stewart, who worked extremely hard to keep tabs on a
large event; to the great instructors of the event, in particular, Jack
and Terry Lee, Ian Whitelaw, and, especially Neil Dickie. They were a
delight to get instruction from...and their performance was next to
none.

Congratulations to all the participants, instructors, and organizers of
the Festival. You did great!

Jay Johnson
Montana Highlanders



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From: "Michael McWilliams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Turn $6 into $6000
Date: 28 Mar 2000 14:53:55 GMT

Hmmmmmmm.....even better, it would be particularly shameful with CERTAIN
magazines. Heh!

(SLAP, SLAP!)   Sorry, I lost control for a moment.  Never mind!

Still......



Slαinte!

Michael McWilliams
Cohasset, MA

<[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:8bq6nc$le0$[e-mail]...
> It would be a shame if EVERYBODY filled out magazine subscription cards
> with these addresses!
>
>
>
>  #1) Lawrence Tran
>  3346 Gladys Avenue
>  Rosemead, CA 91770
>
>  #2) James C Heywood
>  437 N Belmont Place #260
>  Provo, Utah 84606
>
>  #3) Dorothy Agat
>  60 Mountview Ave. #111
>  Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>  M6P-2L4
>
>  #4) A. Iizuka
>  3959 Lewister Rd.
>  North Vancouver, BC, Canada
>  V7R 4C2
>
>  #5)Grant Griffith
>  2701 S. Sherman
>  Sioux Falls, SD USA 57105
>
>  #6) P. Ellis
>  42 Culver Road
>  Stockport
>  Cheshire, SK3 8PG
>  United Kingdom
>
>
>
>
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: That Something Special
Date: 28 Mar 2000 14:54:20 GMT

My gracious! If these babies sound 1/10th as good as they look, Rolf
should be crowned king of Sweden immediately! Thanks for posting us on
this, Ringo. Cheers, Thom Moore

In article <o%KD4.22534$[e-mail]>,
"Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> They are.... drum roll please... "The Viking Saga Pipes" by Rolf of
Sweden,
> Pipemaker! The ivory is 16,000 year old Siberian Mammoth tusk. The
motif
> was "lifted" from the border mounting of a 600 AD Viking shield found
in
> Gotland, Sveden. The blowpipe is silver lined. The stocks are all
brass
> lined, except for the blowpipe stock, which is silver lined. Even the
L'il
> Mac is made of silver! The silver on the tuning pins extends 10mm
into the
> mount. Yes, they were very expensive. No, they do not belong to me.
And
> no, I haven't played them.
>
> Rolf Littorin was taught the "art" of making pipes by his father (who
was a
> professional turner) at the age of seven. So, without giving away too
much,
> Rolf has been turning pipes for 50 years. He makes about 6 sets of
pipes
> each year, and of course, custom work is his specialty. His
expertise, and
> his tooling, allows him to custom make drones to suit your eyes and
your
> ears. Rolf works with exotic woods, silver, and other materials
(walrus
> ivory, Water Buffalo horn, etc.).
>
> You may wish to check out his web site. I understand that it's
getting a
> major overhaul sometime in the next week.
>
> http://home.swipnet.se/rospipes/
>
> Ringo
>
>


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From: "Michael McWilliams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Happy Ending (WAS: Stolen Bagpipes)
Date: 28 Mar 2000 14:56:12 GMT

Well, now that you mention it....

Talk about innovative possibibilities for Celtic music.


--
Slαinte!

Michael McWilliams
Cohasset, MA



Bob Cameron <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
>
>
> Michael McWilliams wrote:
>
> > Yehaa! Quick thinking!
> > Congratulations!
> > Now go lock up those beauties!
> >
>
> Did you mean the pipes , or the go-go dancers?
>
>
> >
> > Slαinte!
> >
> > Michael McWilliams
> > Cohasset, MA
>
> Slan leibh,
>  Bob Cameron,
> Braintree, MA
>



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From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: That Something Special
Date: 28 Mar 2000 15:44:42 GMT

Thanks, Thom.  I have always maintained that you have to kiss a lot of frogs
to find a prince.  Also, where you look and how hard you look has a great
deal to do with what you find!  Just a couple of pearls that I picked up
along my journey.

Take care
Ringo

<[e-mail]> wrote in message news:8bqh2m$p3$[e-mail]...
> My gracious! If these babies sound 1/10th as good as they look, Rolf
> should be crowned king of Sweden immediately! Thanks for posting us on
> this, Ringo. Cheers, Thom Moore
>
> In article <o%KD4.22534$[e-mail]>,
> "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > They are.... drum roll please... "The Viking Saga Pipes" by Rolf of
> Sweden,
> > Pipemaker! The ivory is 16,000 year old Siberian Mammoth tusk. The
> motif
> > was "lifted" from the border mounting of a 600 AD Viking shield found
> in
> > Gotland, Sveden. The blowpipe is silver lined. The stocks are all
> brass
> > lined, except for the blowpipe stock, which is silver lined. Even the
> L'il
> > Mac is made of silver! The silver on the tuning pins extends 10mm
> into the
> > mount. Yes, they were very expensive. No, they do not belong to me.
> And
> > no, I haven't played them.
> >
> > Rolf Littorin was taught the "art" of making pipes by his father (who
> was a
> > professional turner) at the age of seven. So, without giving away too
> much,
> > Rolf has been turning pipes for 50 years. He makes about 6 sets of
> pipes
> > each year, and of course, custom work is his specialty. His
> expertise, and
> > his tooling, allows him to custom make drones to suit your eyes and
> your
> > ears. Rolf works with exotic woods, silver, and other materials
> (walrus
> > ivory, Water Buffalo horn, etc.).
> >
> > You may wish to check out his web site. I understand that it's
> getting a
> > major overhaul sometime in the next week.
> >
> > http://home.swipnet.se/rospipes/
> >
> > Ringo
> >
> >
>
>
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