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Subject: abolition-usa-digest V1 #196
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abolition-usa-digest Sunday, October 17 1999 Volume 01 : Number 196
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Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 12:40:53 -0400
From: peter weiss <petweiss@igc.org>
Subject: Re: (abolition-usa) RE: Failure to Ratify the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty
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Francis: As usual, you're a tiny step ahead of me in your analysis. Mine
is that it's typicl Clinton: Saying the right thing and doing the wrong
one. His problem is not talking out of both sides of his mouth; he
suffers from a chronic dysfunction between speech and action. Besides, I
predict that Gore and the dems are going to drop the issue as soon as
they see that it doesn't play with the public.
The media didn't do much better on this than the Senate, as witnessed by
the fact that the NY Times didn't see fit to print the attached piece
whch I sent it on Tuesday.
Thanks for the great job you did in Scotlan. Cora is leaving for Glasgow
tomorrow to make a post-Hague speech. She'll be meeting with Angie and
some of the others on Monday evening.
Regards, Peter
Boyle, Francis wrote:
>
> For what it is worth, I think there is a good chance that Clinton
> deliberately maneuvered the Republicans in the Senate into rejecting the
> CTBT so that the Democrats and Gore could use it against them in the 2000
> campaign, which they are now doing. fab.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nuclear Age Peace Foundation [mailto:a2000@silcom.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 7:38 PM
> To: abolition-caucus@igc.org; abolition-usa@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Failure to Ratify the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty
>
> Statement by David Krieger, President of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation
> Santa Barbara, California October 14, 1999
>
> "In voting down the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT), the U.S. Senate
> acted with irresponsible disregard for the security of the American people
> and the people of the world. It is an act unbecoming of a great nation.
> The
> Senate sent a message to the more than 185 countries that have signed the
> Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty that the United States is not prepared to
> lead the global effort for non-proliferation nor to keep its promises to the
> international community. I urge the American people to send a strong
> message
> of disapproval to the Senators who voted against this treaty, and demand
> that
> the United States resume a leadership role in supporting the CTBT and
> preventing further nuclear tests by any country at any time and at any
> place.
> "The American people should take heart that the Treaty is not dead, and
> this setback should be viewed as temporary -- until they have made their
> voices reverberate in the halls of the Senate."
>
> For information on how your senator voted, please visit the Nuclear Age
> Peace Foundation website at: http://www.wagingpeace.org
>
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Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 15:18:13 -0500
From: "Boyle, Francis" <FBOYLE@LAW.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: RE: (abolition-usa) RE: Failure to Ratify the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty
Clinton deliberately sent that Democratic Senator out there on September 9,
saying he would stop all action on the floor of the Senate, which he could
do, unless the CTBT was taken up. One thing Clinton can do is count votes.
He knew full well he did not have the votes to get the CTBT through. Ergo,
he precipitated the vote knowing full well he would lose. Notice that Al
Gore had a campaign video immediately ready to go nationwide right after the
defeat--that takes time, planning, money, and reservations with the
networks. It is simply Clinton/Gore disinformation that he just put it all
together the night before. Clinton also lied in his press conference, saying
that there was no way under heaven that he could have predicted the
Republicans were going to schedule such a quick vote, when in fact his
Senator made the vote inevitable as of September 9. Also, Clinton made no
effort to compromise with Lott on the withdrawal of the treaty until it was
too late--just before the vote, when he called Lott to cover himself. Once
again, just read through the lines of the Newspeak Times and it is all
there. Clinton, Gore and the Democrats are now going to hammer the
Republicans over the rejection of the CTBT, which 80% of the American People
support, in order to get control of the Senate, House and White House. I
have not yet seen the Gore video, but I am told it has a missile going off
in the background. Reminds me of the video Johnson and the Democrats did on
Barry Goldwater in the 1964 campaign with the atomic bomb going off in the
background and the slogan: "Just a heartbeat away." Johnson and the
Democrats defeated Goldwater and the Republicans in a massive landslide.
Except when it comes to women, Clinton is smart, ruthless, devious
and cunning: Georgetown School of Foreign Service; Rhodes Scholar;Yale Law
School; Professor of Law at Arkansas Law School, etc. His capacity for evil
must never be underestimated.
Francis A. Boyle
Professor of Law
- -----Original Message-----
From: peter weiss [mailto:petweiss@igc.org]
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 11:41 AM
To: abolition-usa@lists.xmission.com
Cc: 'Nuclear Age Peace Foundation'; abolition-caucus@igc.org;
'NUKENET@envirolink.org'; 'Peace 2000'
Subject: Re: (abolition-usa) RE: Failure to Ratify the Comprehensive
Test Ban Treaty
Francis: As usual, you're a tiny step ahead of me in your analysis. Mine
is that it's typicl Clinton: Saying the right thing and doing the wrong
one. His problem is not talking out of both sides of his mouth; he
suffers from a chronic dysfunction between speech and action. Besides, I
predict that Gore and the dems are going to drop the issue as soon as
they see that it doesn't play with the public.
The media didn't do much better on this than the Senate, as witnessed by
the fact that the NY Times didn't see fit to print the attached piece
whch I sent it on Tuesday.
Thanks for the great job you did in Scotlan. Cora is leaving for Glasgow
tomorrow to make a post-Hague speech. She'll be meeting with Angie and
some of the others on Monday evening.
Regards, Peter
Boyle, Francis wrote:
>
> For what it is worth, I think there is a good chance that Clinton
> deliberately maneuvered the Republicans in the Senate into rejecting the
> CTBT so that the Democrats and Gore could use it against them in the 2000
> campaign, which they are now doing. fab.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nuclear Age Peace Foundation [mailto:a2000@silcom.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 7:38 PM
> To: abolition-caucus@igc.org; abolition-usa@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Failure to Ratify the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty
>
> Statement by David Krieger, President of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation
> Santa Barbara, California October 14, 1999
>
> "In voting down the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT), the U.S. Senate
> acted with irresponsible disregard for the security of the American people
> and the people of the world. It is an act unbecoming of a great nation.
> The
> Senate sent a message to the more than 185 countries that have signed the
> Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty that the United States is not prepared to
> lead the global effort for non-proliferation nor to keep its promises to
the
> international community. I urge the American people to send a strong
> message
> of disapproval to the Senators who voted against this treaty, and demand
> that
> the United States resume a leadership role in supporting the CTBT and
> preventing further nuclear tests by any country at any time and at any
> place.
> "The American people should take heart that the Treaty is not dead,
and
> this setback should be viewed as temporary -- until they have made their
> voices reverberate in the halls of the Senate."
>
> For information on how your senator voted, please visit the Nuclear Age
> Peace Foundation website at: http://www.wagingpeace.org
>
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Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 22:32:57 -0400
From: Norm and Karen Cohen <norco@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: (abolition-usa) RE: Failure to Ratify the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty
I've differed with Prof Boyle's opinions before, but not this time. He's =
right
on target.
Norm Cohen
Executive Director
Coalition for Peace and Justice
"Boyle, Francis" wrote:
> Clinton deliberately sent that Democratic Senator out there on Septembe=
r 9,
> saying he would stop all action on the floor of the Senate, which he co=
uld
> do
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 00:24:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Timothy Bruening <tsbrueni@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: (abolition-usa) 6th Grade Decided Low Green Belt!
Dear Peaceniks:
Last night, I received a 6th Grade Decided Low Green Belt in ITC Taekwondo
Karate at Rodness' Karate Center in Davis. I and all the other students
shook the hands of and bowed to the belt awarding committee (led by Mrs
Rodness) and received our belts and certificates as everyone clapped. Belts
were awarded from Orange to 2nd Degree Black. 6 students received 1st
Degree Black Belts. The belt awarding committee untied their Red Black
Belts and tied on their 1st Degree Black Belts. Lorna Gill received her 2nd
Degree Black Belt in the same manner.
Brown Belts, Red Belts, Red Black Belts, and Black Belts had to break boards
to pass their test.
The ITC National Championships will be held in Sacramento on November 6th at
the Sacramento Convention Center. Would any of you be interested in seeing
them?
Sincerely,
Timothy Bruening.
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 00:24:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Timothy Bruening <tsbrueni@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: (abolition-usa) Questions about U.S. nuclear policy
I am attempting to write a letter to the editor asking questions about U.S.
nuclear policy. Below are the questions I have come up with so far. What
questions would you recommend?
In the wake of the rejection of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, I would
like to urge the great reporters of this great newspaper to ask President
Clinton, the Presidential candidates, and other politicians the following
questions:
I. In 1996, the World Court ruled that the use of or threat to use nuclear
weapons is generally illegal, and that the nations of the world have a legal
obligation to abolish nuclear weapons. What actions will (would) you take
to abolish nuclear weapons in accord with international law?
II. Nearly ten years after the end of the Cold War, why do the U.S. and
Russia still maintain thousands of nuclear warheads on hair trigger alert,
ready to blow up each other on half an hour's notice?
III. What actions will (would) you take to reduce pressures felt by some
nations to develop nuclear weapons and conduct nuclear tests?
IV. In light of Y2K concerns, recent tensions with Russia over the Kosovo
war, and tensions provoked by the Senate rejection of the CTBT, will (would)
you take U.S. nuclear weapons off alert to reduce the risk of an accidental
nuclear war?
V. The U.S. has a Stockpile Stewardship Program to design and develop new
nuclear weapons using "subcritical" nuclear tests (7 since 1997, using
amounts of plutonium too small to "go critical" and cause a nuclear
explosion), supercomputer simulations of nuclear explosions, and the
National Ignition Facility (which would use 192 lasers to cause small fusion
explosions, helping weapons scientists advance their knowledge of nuclear
explosions). How can the U.S. expect other nations to not develop or test
nuclear weapons if we conduct nuclear tests and continue to develop nuclear
weapons?
VI. In response to our 7 subcritical nuclear tests (which the DOE claims is
"fully consistent with the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty"), the Russians
have conducted their own subcritical nuclear tests at Novaya Zemlya).
Opponents of the CTBT seized on the Russian subcritical tests as a reason to
vote against the CTBT. How can U.S. subcritical tests be consistent with
the CTBT and Russian subcritical tests be inconsistent with the CTBT? Isn't
this hypocritical?
VII. Opponents of the CTBT argued that it would prevent further US advances
in nuclear weapons. This implies that they favor continued U.S. development
of nuclear weapons. How do they expect other nations to not develop nuclear
weapons if the U.S. continues to develop nuclear weapons?
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 04:13:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Timothy Bruening <tsbrueni@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: (abolition-usa) Question to George W Bush about U.S. nuclear policy
Here is a question I would like to ask George W Bush:
In September 1991, as the USSR fell apart, your father, the great President
Bush, unilaterally ordered a stand-down of U.S. strategic bombers, which
had, for decades, been prepared to take off in minutes. Their bombs were
later unloaded and stored. Some missiles were taken off alert in just a few
days, and orders for some new weapons were canceled. Soviet President
Gorbachev reciprocated within a week. He garrisoned the Soviet Union's
rail-based missiles, de-activated submarines, and lowered the alert level of
the USSR's strategic bombers. Within a few months, both nations had
withdrawn most of their tactical nukes from forward positions. These steps
made a time of turmoil safer. Will you complete your father's great work by
taking all nuclear weapons off alert, declare a "no first use" policy, and
negotiate a treaty to abolish nuclear weapons?
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:59:16 -0700
From: "David Crockett Williams" <gear2000@lightspeed.net>
Subject: (abolition-usa) New Chinese ICBM Can Hit Most Of US [fwd]
This information combined with other post today about Chinese Embassy
bombing being intentional according to NATO officials, adds up to a very
serious situation that should be coming into more general media focus soon.
From: Remy Chevalier http://www.endsecrecy.com
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Subject: New Chinese ICBM Can Hit Most Of US
Date: Sunday, October 17, 1999 8:12 AM
SIGHTINGS
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http://www.sightings.com/politics5/chinicbm.htm
New Chinese ICBM
Passes Test Simulations -
Can Hit Most Of US
By Pamela Pun
Honk Kong Standard
http://online.hkstandard.com/today/default.asp?PageType=afr2
10-15-99
China has successfully completed laboratory simulations of a test-launch of
its latest multi-warhead intercontinental ballistic missile which can reach
targets in most parts of the United States.
Mainland sources said computer simulations of launches of the solid-fuelled
Dongfeng-41 ICBM have been completed and proved successful.
The three-stage DF-41, an improved model from the old type of single-head
DF-5, can carry five to eight warheads including nuclear ones greatly
increasing its striking power.
In addition to the improvement of carrying capacity, the DF-41 has much
greater mobility since it uses solidified fuel.
With the same range of 12,000 kilometres as the DF-5, the DF-41 can reach
Europe and many parts of the United States.
The Central Government has yet to decide when to conduct live test-firing of
the latest ICBM model, which was not on the show during the grand parade in
Beijing on 1 October marking the 50th anniversary of Communist rule.
The successful development of the strategic weapon will boost the country's
military muscle and its nuclear deterrence.
Military and diplomatic analysts said the acquirement of technology to
manufacture missiles with a range covering most parts of the American
territory will force Washington to adjust its defence strategy and speed up
the development of anti-missile defence systems.
However, it would not have significant impact on the global balance of power
in the post Cold-War era.
Sources said the new missile could be deployed in five years if the central
leadership decided to go ahead with the development program, using the DF-41
to replace the old model of DF-5.
Using liquid fuel, the DF-5 must be launched from a fixed position. It also
takes 30-60 minutes to fuel and two hours before a missile could be ready
for launch.
A solid state missile like the DF-41, on the other hand, takes only a few
minutes to reach war readiness, according to the mainland's weaponry
experts.
As the DF-41 carries several warheads,they are smaller in size and lighter
in weight and, therefore, easier to manoevre for land transport.
Beijing showcased its truck-mounted solid state DF-31 ICBM in the 50th
anniversary grand parade which attracted considerable attention from Western
military experts.
With a range of 8,000 kilometres, the DF-31 can reach Hawaii and Alaska.
China announced it has successfully test-fired the DF-31 in August in
northeastern China. With slight modification, the DF-31 could be launched
from a submarine, according to military experts.
Political and military observers in the West have shown increasing concern
over the mainland's latest developments of multi-warhead ICBMs such as the
DF-31 and DF-41, which are difficult to intercept for current anti-missile
defence systems.
China started developing technical missile weapons such as cruise missiles
in the 1970s. Beijing felt the need to develop strategic weapons to bolster
its military deterrence after the high-tech Gulf War in 1991.
Calls to speed up developing advanced weapons have been on the rise since
the US-led Nato jets bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade on 7 May during
the alliance's air strike against Yugoslavia.
President Jiang Zemin, who is also commander-in-chief of the country's 2.5
million-man army, urged speeding-up of the modernisation of the armed forces
to win regional wars under high-tech conditions.
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:57:28 -0700
From: "David Crockett Williams" <gear2000@lightspeed.net>
Subject: (abolition-usa) Deliberate Chinese embassy bombing by NATO
From: Nurev Ind Research <nurev@starpower.net>
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Subject: Nato bombed Chinese embassy deliberately.
Date: Sunday, October 17, 1999 8:20 AM
Activist Mailing List - http://get.to/activist
Nato bombed Chinese deliberately
Nato hit embassy on purpose
Kosovo: special report
John Sweeney and Jens Holsoe in Copenhagen and Ed Vulliamy in Washington
Sunday October 17, 1999
Nato deliberately bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade during the war
in Kosovo after discovering it was being used to transmit Yugoslav army
communications.
According to senior military and intelligence sources in Europe and the
US the Chinese embassy was removed from a prohibited targets list after
Nato electronic intelligence (Elint) detected it sending army signals to
Milosevic's forces.
The story is confirmed in detail by three other Nato officers - a flight
controller operating in Naples, an intelligence officer monitoring
Yugoslav radio traffic from Macedonia and a senior headquarters officer
in Brussels. They all confirm that they knew in April that the Chinese
embassy was acting as a 'rebro' [rebroadcast] station for the Yugoslav
army (VJ) after alliance jets had successfully silenced Milosevic's own
transmitters.
The Chinese were also suspected of monitoring the cruise missile attacks
on Belgrade, with a view to developing effective counter-measures
against US missiles.
The intelligence officer, who was based in Macedonia during the bombing,
said: 'Nato had been hunting the radio transmitters in Belgrade. When
the President's [Milosevic's] residence was bombed on 23 April, the
signals disappeared for 24 hours. When they came on the air again, we
discovered they came from the embassy compound.' The success of previous
strikes had forced the VJ to use Milosevic's residence as a rebroadcast
station. After that was knocked out, it was moved to the Chinese
embassy. The air controller said: 'The Chinese embassy had an electronic
profile, which Nato located and pinpointed.'
The Observer investigation, carried out jointly with Politiken newspaper
in Denmark, will cause embarrassment for Nato and for the British
government. On Tuesday, the Queen and the Prime Minister will host a
state visit by the President of China, Jiang Zemin. He is to stay at
Buckingham Palace.
Jiang Zemin is still said to be outraged at the 7 May attack, which came
close to splitting the alliance.The official Nato line, as expressed by
President Bill Clinton and CIA director George Tenet, was that the
attack on the Chinese Embassy was a mistake. Defence Secretary William
Cohen said: 'One of our planes attacked the wrong target because the
bombing instructions were based on an outdated map.'
Later, a source in the US National Imagery and Mapping Agency said that
the 'wrong map' story was 'a damned lie'.
Tenet apologised last July, saying: 'The President of the United States
has expressed our sincere regret at the loss of life in this tragic
incident and has offered our condolences to the Chinese people and
especially to the families of those who lost their lives in this
mistaken attack.
Nato's apology was predicated on the excuse that the three missiles
which landed in one corner of the embassy block were meant to be
targeted at the Yugoslav Federal Directorate for Supply and Procurement,
the FDSP. But inquiries have revealed there never was a VJ directorate
of supply and procurement at the site named by Tenet. The VJ office for
supplies - which Tenet calls FDSP - is some 500 metres down the street
from the address he gave. It was bombed later.
Moreover the CIA and other Nato intelligence agencies, such as Britain's
MI6 and the code-breakers at GCHQ, would have listened in to
communication traffic from the Chinese embassy as a matter of course
since it moved to the site in 1996.
A Nato flight control officer in Naples also confirmed to us that a map
of 'non-targets': churches, hospitals and embassies, including the
Chinese, did exist. On this 'don't hit' map, the Chinese embassy was
correctly located at its current site, and not where it had been until
1996 - as claimed by the US and NATO.
Why the Chinese were prepared to help Milosevic is a more murky
question. One possible explanation is that the Chinese lack Stealth
technology, and the Yugoslavs, having shot down a Stealth fighter in the
early days of the air campaign, were in a good position to trade. The
Chinese may have calculated that Nato would not dare strike its embassy,
but the five-storey building was emptied every night of personnel. Only
three people died in the attack, two of whom were, reportedly, not
journalists - the official Chinese version - but intelligence officers.
The Chinese military attache, Ven Bo Koy, who was seriously wounded in
the attack and is now in hospital in China, told Dusan Janjic, the
respected president of Forum for Ethnic Relations in Belgrade, only
hours before the attack, that the embassy was monitoring incoming cruise
missiles in order to develop counter-measures.
Nato spokesman Lee McClenny yesterday stood by the official version. 'It
was a terrible mistake,' he said, 'and we have apologised.' A spokesman
for the Chinese embassy in London said yesterday: 'We do not believe
that the embassy was bombed because of a mistake with an out-of-date
map.'
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