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abolition-usa-digest      Monday, October 5 1998      Volume 01 : Number 024




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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:32:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: [e-mail] (Jack & Felice Cohen-Joppa)
Subject: Re: (abolition-usa) 2000 election

Alice Slater suggested:

> If none of them will do it, we need to get our
>own candidate.(Jackson?, Brown?)

 I admit electoral strategizing is not my forte, but I cannot believe
investment of organizing energy in this direction is warranted for year
2000 elections.  If a candidate were to embrace the abolition plank, OK,
support them as individuals,  but at this point it'd be a token candidate,
because barring reaction to catastrophe or a miracle, the abolition
movement is just not developed enough to be a meaningful constituency on a
presidential level .

Jack Cohen-Joppa
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:32:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: [e-mail] (Jack & Felice Cohen-Joppa)
Subject: (abolition-usa) Re: USA/Campaign Proposals for Chicago Abolition Conference

Dear Joe Gerson & abolition-usa list,

Thanks, Joe, for your cogent comments & summary of collective thought.

Following is an intentionally parochial response & my contribution to a
conference I cannot attend.  If I could attend, I would hope to represent
what I am concerned will be the absent perspective of an advocate for
nonviolent direct action.

I respond to selected >quotes> from Joe's contribution.

>While civil disobedience actions can serve to enlighten and serve
>as a moral frame of reference(and spur)for the wider community,
>fundamental changes in national policy will come
>only when there is broad popular demand for such changes.

I agree that a "spur" is needed just for the reasons you cite: to enlighten
(educate) and as a moral frame of reference ("values").   I think
establishing these cornerstones comes at the _beginning_ & then continues
as part of the process of broadening "popular demand."  Tactically, in the
present state of our movement and the nation, I believe CD organizing and
the community building exercise of prisoner support would be good
investments for this movement at some EARLY point.  Are we personally as
serious as we claim the threat of nuclear weapons to be?  How unjust do we
really think nukes are?

We now have a US model of CD organizing and community building to learn
from in the School of the Americas campaign.  More than two dozen folks
were jailed for 6+ months, and the organizing for this November at Ft.
Benning indicates many more will again risk such consequences with a repeat
arrest, and perhaps 1,000 cross the line for the first time.

We're also seeing something bloom in Scotland & the UK, with the Trident
Ploughshares 2000 Campaign (who have a slightly better chance at the
millenium & the British arsenal, I believe)

& we have the developing international model of Citizen Weapons Inspection
Teams - palatable to the public perhaps because they represent civil
urgency, but not "lawlessness."  This model is proving flexible with many
practical variations (see current Nuclear Resister for recent action
summaries), some without risk of arrest, even.  All "experiments in truth."

>...in this case linked to a call for
>economic justice.

I agree - this is a critical link.  (At local school meetings I often feel
urged to shout about the theft of social resources for war that underlies
the budget fights.)

>Manifested hope and energies, unleash those of others.

Yes (& that's why I value that someone once said the Nuclear Resister was a
"chronicle of hope")

>It could also be built with the help
>of an "Abolition Summer" organizing project.

OK, but how about if we purposefully lay the ground while organizing that
many in our movement believe nuclear weapons to be ILLEGAL as well as
wasteful, inhumane, and immoral.  & some are prepared to act in a grand
American abolitionist tradition and not only refuse to be complicit,  but
also proactively uphold justice where the law is not yet doing so.  Explain
that while we build our movement, we'll also support people jailed for
persistent, conscientious efforts at education by trial.

re:
>C.  MANIFESTATIONS OF GROWING ABOLITIONIST POLITICAL POWER AND WILL
>...3) Coordinated and spontaneous local actions for abolition.

As I noted at the outset, my tactical thought is that these actions,
particularly as they might involve civil disobedience, seem to belong
BEFORE

>C.1) Town, City, State-wide (and eventually national) "walks for abolition"
and
>C.2) Coordinated Congressional lobbying/Electoral Strategies

and continue as part of developing broader support.

I visualise that a national organization of currently committed individuals
(we already have committed individuals nationwide) can publically prepare
and engage themselves in a widely coordinated nonviolent resistance
campaign leading up to and thru the millenium year,  pursuant to their
understanding of international law, and engage the courts with a persistant
risk of arrest &/or a principled noncooperation with the jurisdiction of
any court refusing to acknowledge international law.  We already have a
substantial body of literature at hand for eduational purposes on this
front.  Furthermore, outside supporters are vital to such a campaign,
providing a role for some who cannot risk jail or prison.

Who's to say it can't work?  In 50+ years, we have scarcely tried such a
thing.  Maybe now is the time.
Or maybe abolition can wait.

But the fact of the matter is that people of conscience are and will
continue to take these risks.  Will an organization asserting national
leadership build on this inertia of conscience or seek to ignore,
downplay, distrust, or dismiss it?

I imagine this not as the foremost activity of the evolving national
effort, but as an integrated and supported component.

Jack Cohen-Joppa
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:52:06 -0800
From: Jan Harwood <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (abolition-usa) Chicago

I agree we need a better name.  Just for starters, how about "No More Nukes"?
It's not elegant, but people understand it.



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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 10:16:01 -0400
From: "Ross Wilcock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (abolition-usa) Chicago

For a short name you could consider "We Say No Nukes" see
http://www.pgs.ca/pages/nonukes.htm
Ross Wilcock
[e-mail]
http://www.pgs.ca/

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I agree we need a better name.  Just for starters, how about "No More
Nukes"?
It's not elegant, but people understand it.


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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 11:27:45 -0400
From: Peace through Reason <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (abolition-usa) Chicago

Trouble with "No MORE Nukes" is more a Nuclear Freeze-type slogan (still
could be construed as meaning we could keep what we have).

How about "No Nukes"?

Ellen Thomas
[e-mail]


>I agree we need a better name.  Just for starters, how about "No More
>Nukes"?
>It's not elegant, but people understand it.
>

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:17:51 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Daniel Fine)
Subject: (abolition-usa) ?? new Name ????. NO !!!!!!

Believe new name would be a mistake:

(1) "Abolition" is an abiding categorical imperative, but I don't believe
many members or supporters ever really believed we would have a treaty
(NWC) in place by the year 2000. 2000 was and still is, and will remain a
symbol of a threshold, a passage, a new beginning, a new century, new
millennium etc. So 2000 remains meaningful and will still be after 2000 (as
is the Y2K bug).
To us, 2000 means struggle for abolition and steps on the journey, now and
in the 21st century.

(2) "Abolition" should never be abandoned, until we have abolition. The
word is unequivocal, declarative, morally uncompromising, and has powerful
resonance with the overriding moral human evil of the last century, (ie
slavery). We as individuals and groups are proudly "abolitionists". Will we
call ourselves and be known as "no nukists", "no more nukists" etc.

(3) "Abolition 2000" is provocative and attention-getting, especially
because it is not explicit and does NOT include reference to nuclear
weapons etc. Many people here ask, "what is that", and their query and the
answer is very re-inforcing. The 19th century movement and its adherents,
as they grew, were known as "abolitionist", not "slavery abolitionist".

Please think long and hard before a decision is made to change the name. We
have a proud and very constructive history (though not yet reaching our
goal). The founding date and events (eg 50th anniversary of Hiroshima and
Nagasaki; 1995 struggle to prevent unconditional extension of a failing,
and nuclear weapons-supporting NPT; fin-de-siecle of the terrible nuclear
century etc) were landmarks. The vision was tranformed into a movement. The
movement and hope and vision continue and grow. The founding name should
continue. The fact that we will not have a treaty by 2000 will be a goad
and reminder of the realistic need for a long struggle. Will we change the
name every five years as we continue?

Dan Fine
- -"Abolition 2000: The Western Pennsylvania Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons"


PSR-Pittsburgh
- -dedicated to the abolition of nuclear weapons



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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:45:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail] (Robert Smirnow)
Subject: RE: (abolition-usa) Chicago

     This is slightly longer but I feel it's important to awaken people
to the ICJ decision of July 8, 1996 and get our strategy across. I
propose "Uphold International Law, No-Nukes."


      -Bill Smirnow
>
>
>For a short name you could consider "We Say No Nukes" see
>http://www.pgs.ca/pages/nonukes.htm
>Ross Wilcock
>[e-mail]
>http://www.pgs.ca/
>
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Harwood
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>To:    [e-mail]
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>
>
>I agree we need a better name.  Just for starters, how about "No More
>Nukes"?
>It's not elegant, but people understand it.
>
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 14:39:25 -0400
From: "Ross Wilcock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (abolition-usa) Words & Slogans

I did not mean to suggest a replacement for the name Abolition 2000!

Dan Fine puts the case very well for stability - and points out a dangerous
ambiguity in what I wrote.

"We Say No Nukes" is a slogan with some graphics - to stimulate creativity.
http://www.pgs.ca/pages/nonukes.htm
An IPPNW Board member dreamed it - literally  - in Malaysia!
The graphics displayed were adopted by the Belgium to Faslane Peace March.
If anyone has material to share - please contribute!

The are already excellent multimedia variations on the abolition theme -
documents, books, documentaries - including CNN for example.  "Abolition" of
the "Cold War" was a major objective of the Better World Society - an
organization initiated by Ted Turner. Abolition of Slavery has been
discussed in comparison with n/ws.

Politically, progress needs strong grassroot support.  There is already a
great deal of multilevel support - the World Court, The UN General Assembly,
The Non-Aligned Movement - the voices of many great leaders and citizens -
well done! The US seems to have the most active antinuclear movement
worldwide. - But it is up against the biggest budget too!

To my mind, the Australian work on the Municipalities Declaration is very
promising - a majority of Australian municipalities are now committed to the
abolition of nuclear weapons - this is a very powerful political
statement! - but what is lacking in the other 179???

Rational choice is wiser than waiting or procrastinating in the face of
disaster - don't know where! - don't know when!

Unfortunately - this problem reaches to the heart of the political process -
what happens when "people" appoint representatives to the age old problem of
"governor and governed."  I think Leo Tolstoy's last message to mankind
 http://www.pgs.ca/pages/ltlmess.html ) puts this very well - and then
consider his  Law of Love and Law of Violence
 http://www.pgs.ca/pages/ltlllv.html  ).

The international order has not been functioning at all well in the last few
years. There have been genocides, mass murders and many failures to do the
right thing. Some "world leaders" have shown themselves as criminals and for
some reason there seems to be little will to make the International Criminal
Court work properly even for those already indicted.

So what changes are necessary for global human security - abolition of
nuclear weapons is a priority element - - but let us not be blind to other
needs and problems.

Hope this helps - good luck!

Ross Wilcock
[e-mail]

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For a short name you could consider "We Say No Nukes" see
http://www.pgs.ca/pages/nonukes.htm




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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 23:56:04 -0400
From: Peace through Reason <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (abolition-usa) ?? new Name ????. NO !!!!!!

"No Nukes" is a slogan, "Abolition" is an imperative.

Ellen Thomas
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:15:50 -0800
From: Jan Harwood <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (abolition-usa) Chicago

You're right, Ellen Thomas.  I didn't like the "more" either.  How about
"No Nukes Now!"  Or "End Nukes Now". Or something that'll make a good
acronym, "End Nuclear Dementia."



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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 02:15:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Timothy Bruening <[e-mail]>
Subject: (abolition-usa) How Peace Came To The World

I have a BOOK called "How Peace Came To The World" (edited by Earl Foell and
Richard Nenneman and published by the Christian Science Publishing Society
in 1986), a collection of essays about how peace can come to the world.
Have you read it?  Has a sequel been written?  Below are some ideas from
that book:

I. Use the military budget for non-military purposes (pp65-67):

        A. A Public Works Division in the DoD to solicit bids to build mass
transit systems in U.S. cities.

        B. An Environmental Defense Division to solicit bids to build
anti-pollution systems, which the EDD would then give to businesses and
government agencies for free to stop them from polluting.  I would also have
the EDD solicit bids to build renewable, clean energy systems.

        C. An Anti-Crime Division to fight organized crime, using armies of
specially trained detectives, accountants, lawyers, and military personnel
to track down organized criminals.

II. Military integration between the U.S. and Russia (pp68-73).  Each
country would have a group of high-ranking military officials at the upper
levels of the other country's military.  This would greatly reduce the risk
of accidental war, facilitate verification of arms control agreements, and
facilitate cooperation in international crisis by facilitating
communications between the two nations.  The idea spreads to the rest of the
world, although it takes until 2004 for the Northern Ireland factions to
integrate, and until 2006 for Israel, Jordan, Egypt, and Syria to integrate
their militaries and set up a Palestinian homeland.

III. National Peace Council (pp128-135).  Congress sets up a National Peace
Council with the clear responsibility and accountability to achieve a
sustainable peace with other nations and with the earth itself.  It
parallels the National Security Council in rank and stature.  It reports
directly to the President, advises and assists him on all policies relating
to a peaceful and sustainable future, assists the President in coordinating
foreign policy decision relating to world peace, and serves as his forum for
national peace-securing issues.

IV. Civilian Defense Networks built by Greens in Europe (1990-1994)! (p157).
They practice total non-cooperation with invaders and uninhibited
fraternization with individual invaders as people.  Green arm-banded
marshall scatter through towns and countryside checking food supplies,
flexing communications networks and giving workshops on the above two
principles.  When the USSR invades Poland in 1994, the Poles copy the above
idea and so confound the Soviets that many of them defect.  Soon, the idea
of non-violent resistance spreads worldwide and abolishes war.

V. A computer network devoted to exchanging views on how to achieve world
peace (pp175-183).  The computer network is set up by the New Relations
Working Group in the mid-1980s, and is open to anyone who has a computer
terminal.  Thus any proposals which become popular on that network are
likely to receive a hearing among the public.  The network also has a
politician who asks of each idea "Who has the power to implement this? How
could they be motivated to do so?".  The people on the network also ask what
groups would benefit from implementing the idea, what groups could influence
policy makers, and how to deal with opposition from the military-industrial
complex.  They then search for a way to create a coalition to get the idea
implemented.  The people on the network find non-military missions for the
military-industrial complex, such as reforesting the Sahara.  Ideas pushed
by the peace network include a joint U.S./Russia trade center, a joint
U.S./Russia space station, diplomatic restraint when we aren't directly
involved in a Russian created problem, turning the ruble into a hard
currency, and "Minimum Assured Deterrence" (having just enough military
force available to protect ourselves so that the Russians don't feel
threatened).  Many politicians join the network to test ideas, obtain ideas,
and/or appeal for campaign contributions.

VI.  The peace network mentioned above also inspires the creation of a
conflict management industry which deals with everything from family
disputes to labor/management problems to international relations.  As a
result, conflicts become less likely to turn violent.

VII. Peace, INC. (pp186-189) A group of California business men set up
Peace, Inc in the mid 1980s to sell peace to the world, on the theory that
most of the world population desperately wanted peace and the superpowers
weren't giving it to them.  Peace, Inc sells stock to people who want to
help bring about peace, and uses the money to hire the best lobbyists and
publicists in the business. They get Congress to set up a NASA type agency
dedicated to eliminating weapons of mass destruction and bringing about
friendly relations between the U.S. and USSR.  The agency is funded with 10%
of the military budget and a 5% peace tax. Peace, Inc and the peace agency then:

        A. Study the nuclear safeguard systems of both nations, and discover
that the Soviet system is seriously flawed.  They then persuade Congress to
provide the Soviets with a new safeguard system, modern computers, and
modern communications equipment to reduce the risk of accidental war.  They
also study the launch-on-warning systems to both nations and find ways to
increase avenues of communications between the two nations.

        B. Hire Armand Hammer, Admiral Rickover, and Lee Iacocca to find
solutions to the political problems between the U.S. and USSR.  Those three
study the post-WWII behavior of the USSR and deduce that the Soviets "had
conducted their entire postwar policy from a position of isolation and
deep-seated fear of invasion".  The Nazi invasion had severely traumatized
the Soviets.  Hammer and Iacocca then organize global conferences (with 3rd
world nations involved for the 1st time) to find solutions to the
U.S./Soviet conflict and figure out how to abolish weapons of mass
destruction.  (I don't know what happened to Rickover).

VIII. At a 1985 Writer's Congress, the writers agree to oppose the danger of
war in their literary works (pp199-202).  This is called the "R" (for
responsibility) factor.  Soon, the "R" idea spreads to journalists,
commentators, film producers, newspaper publishers, and politicians.

IX. Sophomores For Peace! (pp211-220).  A retired physicist named Jerome
Pressman writes a letter to the President proposing that the U.S. and USSR
exchange their entire sophomore classes to generate goodwill between the two
nations and deter nuclear war.  The SOPH proposal quickly excites the peace
movement, churches, college students, and university administrators.
Economists calculate that the educational costs balance out and that the
only cost is that of flying the students between the two nations (estimated
at $200 a head).  I am certain that the airlines would also be excited at
the prospect of four million additional passengers a year (One million
students from each country twice a year).  The SOPH proposal also excites
the Soviet peoples.  Thus both sides soon accept the idea.  At the time of
the FIRST EXCHANGE, the U.S. and USSR exchange and destroy ten nuclear
weapons each.  The nuclear material is given to the UN. Each Russian bomb
structure is assigned to a large stadium and is "destructed" as major
musical groups perform a celebration of joy.  The same thing happens in
Russia.


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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 03:14:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Timothy Bruening <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (abolition-usa) Chicago

At 12:30 PM 10/2/98 -0400, ASlater <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Thanks Peter for lots of great suggestions.  I think we need to come out of
>Chicago organized as a national campaign geared to the 2000 elections.  I
>hope we can come out of this meeting with a Campaign Manager, who has had
>experience managing a US Presidential Campaign.  I think we need to
>organize by Congressional Districts, and try to establish a minimum contact
>network by State.
>
>I don't think Gore will have smooth sailing to the nomination.  In the
>wings are Gebhardt, Wellstone, Kerry, and Bradley (who has been dropping
>hints).  I hope we can set up a process at the meeting to reach each one of
>them, and whoever else appears, and ask them to champion the abolition
>banner--much like Gene McCarthy helped the country to organize politically
>to end the war in Vietnam.  If none of them will do it, we need to get our
>own candidate.(Jackson?, Brown?)

General Lee Butler for President!

>Internationally, the NPT will be meeting again in New York this spring.  It
>was an utter disgrace last time.  Maybe this is the time to have a
>parallel PrepCom and bring up Zia Mian's amendment proposal.  We need to
get >some friendly governments to participate.  Perhaps MPI can help us here.

What is Zia's amendment proposal?


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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:47:47 EDT
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Subject: Re: (abolition-usa) Chicago



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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:51:30 EDT
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Subject: Re: (abolition-usa) Chicago

there is no material difference between "no more nukes" and "no nukes"
"what is it you don't understand? NO NUKES!"
good approach, but do we also mean nuclear energy plants
do we take that on
does this not take on npt article 4
does this give us support of world court
does it dilute or expand our constituency
is the term NO NUKES dated and associated with another time and culture
does the term reach the next generation which looks eyes defined by pop
culture upon political positions and cultural positions more than 5 years old
i do not know the answers to these questions
they are worth answering next week or sooner if you or anyone on this list has
clear answers
jonathan granoff

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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 14:32:12 -0400
From: Peace through Reason <[e-mail]>
Subject: (abolition-usa) Name debate (response to Jonathan Granoff)

At 11:51 AM 10/4/98 EDT, Jonathan Granoff <<[e-mail]> wrote:


<paraindent><param>left</param>>there is no material difference between
"no more nukes" and "no nukes"


</paraindent>Disagreement noted and disagreed with.


<paraindent><param>left</param>>"what is it you don't understand? NO
NUKES!"


</paraindent>Exactly.


<paraindent><param>left</param>>is the term NO NUKES dated and associated
with another time and culture


</paraindent>Perhaps.


<paraindent><param>left</param>>does the term reach the next generation
which looks eyes defined by pop culture


</paraindent>I don't think anyone has tried "No Nukes" for a very long
time; I haven't seen anyone producing those buttons.  It'll probably have
some sentimental value for over-50s, and the kids might go for it if some
jazzy 90's-tech buttons are produced.  Maybe the 30 year olds will think
of it contemptuously, but then again, maybe not.


<paraindent><param>left</param>>good approach, but do we also mean
nuclear energy plants


</paraindent>Eventually.  But to do that we have to start mass-producing
clean replacements.  If the arms industries are converted to such a
project, the job can get done with little extra cost, and can create a
whole new, vibrant, SELF-SUPPORTING industry, providing clean energy
(i.e. solar, wind, geothermal, hydrogen fuel cells, and no doubt a number
of others soon) and getting us all off the nuclear and fossil-fuel power
grids.  THEN we can feel safe about no nuclear weapons.


<paraindent><param>left</param>>do we take that on


</paraindent>Good question.  I've been talking about the above paragraph
in recent months, and getting very good response from all sorts of
people.


Ellen Thomas




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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 14:32:12 -0400
From: Peace through Reason <[e-mail]>
Subject: (abolition-usa) Name debate (response to Jonathan Granoff)

At 11:51 AM 10/4/98 EDT, Jonathan Granoff <<[e-mail]> wrote:


<paraindent><param>left</param>>there is no material difference between
"no more nukes" and "no nukes"


</paraindent>Disagreement noted and disagreed with.


<paraindent><param>left</param>>"what is it you don't understand? NO
NUKES!"


</paraindent>Exactly.


<paraindent><param>left</param>>is the term NO NUKES dated and associated
with another time and culture


</paraindent>Perhaps.


<paraindent><param>left</param>>does the term reach the next generation
which looks eyes defined by pop culture


</paraindent>I don't think anyone has tried "No Nukes" for a very long
time; I haven't seen anyone producing those buttons.  It'll probably have
some sentimental value for over-50s, and the kids might go for it if some
jazzy 90's-tech buttons are produced.  Maybe the 30 year olds will think
of it contemptuously, but then again, maybe not.


<paraindent><param>left</param>>good approach, but do we also mean
nuclear energy plants


</paraindent>Eventually.  But to do that we have to start mass-producing
clean replacements.  If the arms industries are converted to such a
project, the job can get done with little extra cost, and can create a
whole new, vibrant, SELF-SUPPORTING industry, providing clean energy
(i.e. solar, wind, geothermal, hydrogen fuel cells, and no doubt a number
of others soon) and getting us all off the nuclear and fossil-fuel power
grids.  THEN we can feel safe about no nuclear weapons.


<paraindent><param>left</param>>do we take that on


</paraindent>Good question.  I've been talking about the above paragraph
in recent months, and getting very good response from all sorts of
people.


Ellen Thomas




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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 17:13:46 -0400
From: Peter Weiss <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (abolition-usa) Chicago

Jonathan:

Please see my answers below. I sent a somewhat lognger message to the
list last week, on the same subject.
                    Regards, Peter

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> there is no material difference between "no more nukes" and "no nukes"
> "what is it you don't understand? NO NUKES!"
> good approach, but do we also mean nuclear energy plants YES
> do we take that on YES
> does this not take on npt article 4 YES
> does this give us support of world court YES
> does it dilute or expand our constituency EXPAND, COSIDERABLY
> is the term NO NUKES dated and associated with another time and culture MAYBE, BUT SO WHAT? IT'S THE BEST TERM FOR THE JOB
> does the term reach the next generation which looks eyes defined by pop
> culture upon political positions and cultural positions more than 5 years old SEE ABOVE
> i do not know the answers to these questions
> they are worth answering next week or sooner if you or anyone on this list has
> clear answers
> jonathan granoff
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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 17:37:09 -0400
From: Peter Weiss <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (abolition-usa) Chicago

Alice et all:  OK, but let's not spend a lot of energy on a campaign for
a Presidential candidate who's not with us on abolition, i.e. let's find
or cultivate one who is.

Zia will be in Chicago, so you can ask him to explain his NPT amendment
proposal.
                    Peter

P.S. People should read "A Sinking Ruble Torpedoes Russia's Nuclear
Arsenal" on p.16 of the September 28 Washington Post Weekly. I haven't
checked to see if it's on their web site and I don't have a scanner;
sorry.

Timothy Bruening wrote:
>
> At 12:30 PM 10/2/98 -0400, ASlater <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >Thanks Peter for lots of great suggestions.  I think we need to come out of
> >Chicago organized as a national campaign geared to the 2000 elections.  I
> >hope we can come out of this meeting with a Campaign Manager, who has had
> >experience managing a US Presidential Campaign.  I think we need to
> >organize by Congressional Districts, and try to establish a minimum contact
> >network by State.
> >
> >I don't think Gore will have smooth sailing to the nomination.  In the
> >wings are Gebhardt, Wellstone, Kerry, and Bradley (who has been dropping
> >hints).  I hope we can set up a process at the meeting to reach each one of
> >them, and whoever else appears, and ask them to champion the abolition
> >banner--much like Gene McCarthy helped the country to organize politically
> >to end the war in Vietnam.  If none of them will do it, we need to get our
> >own candidate.(Jackson?, Brown?)
>
> General Lee Butler for President!
>
> >Internationally, the NPT will be meeting again in New York this spring.  It
> >was an utter disgrace last time.  Maybe this is the time to have a
> >parallel PrepCom and bring up Zia Mian's amendment proposal.  We need to
> get >some friendly governments to participate.  Perhaps MPI can help us here.
>
> What is Zia's amendment proposal?
>
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:48:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Timothy Bruening <[e-mail]>
Subject: (abolition-usa) Military Spending by the U.S. and other nations

I have read that the U.S. will spend $270.5 billion on defense this year.
What are the latest figures on military spending by Russia, China, U.S.
adversaries, and U.S. allies?


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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:39:03 -0400
From: Rosalie Tyler Paul <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (abolition-usa) REGIONAL REPORTS FOR CHICAGO MEETING

Jackie - Sue Broidy will have the information of Maine's Abolition 2000
work. Rosalie Paul, Peace Action Maine



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