home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
/ linuxmafia.com 2016 / linuxmafia.com.tar / linuxmafia.com / jordan-save / node / 126 < prev    next >
Text File  |  2010-11-05  |  10KB  |  169 lines

  1.  
  2. <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
  3.   "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
  4. <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en" dir="ltr">
  5.  
  6. <head>
  7. <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
  8.   <title>2.5.4: Is Thom the father of Elayne or Gawyn? | Wheel of Time FAQ</title>
  9.   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
  10. <link rel="prev" href="125" />
  11.  
  12. <link rel="up" href="122" />
  13.  
  14. <link rel="next" href="127" />
  15.  
  16. <link rel="shortcut icon" href="favicon.ico" type="image/x-icon" />
  17.   <link type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" media="all" href="aggregator.css?y" />
  18. <link type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" media="all" href="book.css" />
  19. <link type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" media="all" href="http://wotfaq.dragonmount.com/modules/node/node.css?y" />
  20. <link type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" media="all" href="poll.css?y" />
  21. <link type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" media="all" href="defaults.css?y" />
  22. <link type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" media="all" href="system.css?y" />
  23. <link type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" media="all" href="system-menus.css?y" />
  24. <link type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" media="all" href="user.css?y" />
  25. <link type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" media="all" href="style.css?y" />
  26.       <!--[if lte IE 6]>
  27.       <style type="text/css" media="all">@import "/themes/abarre/css/ie6.css";</style>
  28.     <![endif]-->
  29.     <!--[if IE 7]>
  30.       <style type="text/css" media="all">@import "/themes/abarre/css/ie7.css";</style>
  31.     <![endif]-->
  32.  
  33. </head>
  34.  
  35. <body class="not-front not-logged-in page-node node-type-book no-sidebars">
  36.   
  37.     <div id="header">
  38.  
  39.                   <a href="../index.html" title="Home">
  40.             <img src="abarre_logo.gif" alt="Home" id="logo" />
  41.           </a>
  42.                 
  43.                   <h1 id='site-name'>
  44.             <a href="../index.html" title="Home">
  45.               Wheel of Time FAQ            </a>
  46.           </h1>
  47.                 
  48.                   <div id='site-slogan'>
  49.             Serving the Pattern since 1993          </div>
  50.                 
  51.                 <div class="clear-block"></div>
  52.  
  53.               
  54.  
  55.     </div> <!-- /header -->
  56.  
  57.     <div id="main">
  58.             <div id="content" class="column">
  59.                               <div class="breadcrumb"><a href="../index.html">Home</a> ┬╗ <a href="10">2 Things not Neccesarily of the Dark</a> ┬╗ <a href="122">2.5: True Love and Families</a></div>                    <h1 class="title">2.5.4: Is Thom the father of Elayne or Gawyn?</h1>                              <div class="node" id="node-126">
  60.       
  61.                   <div class="submitted">Posted on July 28th, 2010 by Jennifer Liang</div>
  62.       
  63.       
  64.       <div class="content">
  65.         <h3>Why would we think that Thom is Elayne or Gawyn's father?</h3>
  66. <p>Elayne denies that Galad is her brother. Thom was around at the right time.  Thom clearly had something to do with Taringail's disappearance. Thom was  Morgase's lover. In [TFOH: 19, Memories, 252], Morgase thinks about  Taringail, and how the only good to come of the marriage were "two  beautiful children." This could be Elayne and Gawyn, or she could mean  Galad (adopted) and Gawyn.</p>
  67. <h3>Why is this idea wrong?</h3>
  68. <p>Evidence from the Glossary: "A Royal Prince of Cairhien, he married Tigraine and <em>fathered</em> Galadedrid. When Tigraine disappeared and was declared dead, he married Morgase and <em>fathered</em> Elayne and Gawyn." [TEOTW: Glossary, entry "Damodred, Prince Taringail", 661]</p>
  69. <p> </p>
  70. <p>In [TSR: 17, Deceptions, 194], Moiraine says Thom was "Morgase's lover for  a time, <i>after Taringail died</i>" (emphasis mine). Here, Moiraine is  trying to impress Thom with how much she knows. She wouldn't include a  detail she had any doubt about. To be wrong about something in such a  situation would indicate faulty research, and Moiraine would not risk  showing any gap in her knowledge. If she had any doubt at all, she wouldn't  have mentioned the timing of events. Plus, Thom didn't say or think  anything to contradict Moiraine's statement.</p>
  71. <p>If Morgase had been having an affair with Thom while still married to  Taringail, it is very unlikely that she would have been able to keep it  entirely under wraps; surely some rumor would have been around, especially  in Cairhien. However, we see no evidence of such a rumor existing.  Specifically, in [LOC: 50, Thorns, 628] when Rand mentions to some  Cairhienin that he means to have Elayne rule Cairhien, the Cairhienin think  she'd be a good choice, due to her descent from her father Taringail  Damodred. If Morgase was unfaithful, surely there would have been some  doubt as to Elayne's right to the throne of Cairhien.</p>
  72. <p>At a post-ACOS signing [Dunwoody, GA, 9 October, 1996], RJ strongly denied  that Thom was Elayne or Gawyn's father. "Thom is exactly who he says he  is."</p>
  73.   <div id="book-navigation-10" class="book-navigation">
  74.     
  75.         <div class="page-links clear-block">
  76.               <a href="125" class="page-previous" title="Go to previous page">ΓÇ╣ 2.5.3: Why do we think that Thom will marry Moiraine? --Updated</a>
  77.                     <a href="122" class="page-up" title="Go to parent page">up</a>
  78.                     <a href="127" class="page-next" title="Go to next page">2.5.5: Kari al'Thor: What do we know about her? ΓÇ║</a>
  79.           </div>
  80.     
  81.   </div>
  82.       </div>
  83.  
  84.               <div class="links">
  85.           <ul class="links inline"><li class="book_printer first last"><a href="../book/export/html/126" title="Show a printer-friendly version of this book page and its sub-pages.">Printer-friendly version</a></li>
  86. </ul>        </div>
  87.       
  88.     </div>
  89. <div id="block-user-0" class="block block-user">  
  90.     <h2 class="title"> User login </h2>
  91.     <div class="content">
  92.       <form action="http://wotfaq.dragonmount.com/node/126?destination=node%2F126"  accept-charset="UTF-8" method="post" id="user-login-form">
  93. <div><div class="form-item" id="edit-name-wrapper">
  94.  <label for="edit-name">Username: <span class="form-required" title="This field is required.">*</span></label>
  95.  <input type="text" maxlength="60" name="name" id="edit-name" size="15" value="" class="form-text required" />
  96. </div>
  97. <div class="form-item" id="edit-pass-wrapper">
  98.  <label for="edit-pass">Password: <span class="form-required" title="This field is required.">*</span></label>
  99.  <input type="password" name="pass" id="edit-pass"  maxlength="60"  size="15"  class="form-text required" />
  100. </div>
  101. <input type="submit" name="op" id="edit-submit-1" value="Log in"  class="form-submit" />
  102. <div class="item-list"><ul><li class="first last"><a href="http://wotfaq.dragonmount.com/user/password" title="Request new password via e-mail.">Request new password</a></li>
  103. </ul></div><input type="hidden" name="form_build_id" id="form-8e3f5ef0fc69671c8111554987033e6e" value="form-8e3f5ef0fc69671c8111554987033e6e"  />
  104. <input type="hidden" name="form_id" id="edit-user-login-block" value="user_login_block"  />
  105.  
  106. </div></form>
  107.     </div>    
  108. </div>
  109.                   </div> <!-- /content -->
  110.  
  111.       <div id="sidebar-left" class="column">
  112.     
  113.                     <ul class="links primary-links"><li class="menu-333 first"><a href="6" title="Welcome">Welcome</a></li>
  114. <li class="menu-497"><a href="8" title="">0. Administrivia</a></li>
  115. <li class="menu-498"><a href="9" title="">1. The Dark Side</a></li>
  116. <li class="menu-501"><a href="10" title="">2. Things not Neccesarily of the Dark</a></li>
  117. <li class="menu-500"><a href="150" title="">3.Sources</a></li>
  118. <li class="menu-499"><a href="12" title="">4. Prophecy</a></li>
  119. <li class="menu-514 last"><a href="172" title="">99. Publishing Stuff</a></li>
  120. </ul>        
  121.                                    
  122.           <div id="block-user-1" class="block block-user">  
  123.     <h2 class="title"> Navigation </h2>
  124.     <div class="content">
  125.       <ul class="menu"><li class="leaf first"><a href="../tracker">Recent posts</a></li>
  126. <li class="collapsed last"><a href="../aggregator">Feed aggregator</a></li>
  127. </ul>    </div>    
  128. </div>
  129. <div id="block-search-0" class="block block-search">  
  130.     <h2 class="title"> Search </h2>
  131.     <div class="content">
  132.       <form action="126"  accept-charset="UTF-8" method="post" id="search-block-form">
  133. <div><div class="container-inline">
  134.   <div class="form-item" id="edit-search-block-form-1-wrapper">
  135.  <label for="edit-search-block-form-1">Search this site: </label>
  136.  <input type="text" maxlength="128" name="search_block_form" id="edit-search-block-form-1" size="15" value="" title="Enter the terms you wish to search for." class="form-text" />
  137. </div>
  138. <input type="submit" name="op" id="edit-submit" value="Search"  class="form-submit" />
  139. <input type="hidden" name="form_build_id" id="form-ec295ea8b8c10c3e0f2d6e93605faa3f" value="form-ec295ea8b8c10c3e0f2d6e93605faa3f"  />
  140. <input type="hidden" name="form_id" id="edit-search-block-form" value="search_block_form"  />
  141. </div>
  142.  
  143. </div></form>
  144.     </div>    
  145. </div>
  146. <div id="block-node-0" class="block block-node">  
  147.     <h2 class="title"> Syndicate </h2>
  148.     <div class="content">
  149.       <a href="../rss.xml" class="feed-icon"><img src="http://wotfaq.dragonmount.com/misc/feed.png" alt="Syndicate content" title="Syndicate" width="16" height="16" /></a>    </div>    
  150. </div>
  151.  
  152.         </div> <!-- /sidebar-left -->
  153.  
  154.         </div> <!-- /main -->
  155.  
  156.       <div id="footer">
  157.                 <div id="corner"></div>
  158.                 <div class="content">
  159.             <address><em>The Wheel of Time FAQ. Copyright 2009 by Leigh Butler, Pamela Korda, Erica Sadun, and Dragonmount.com.</em></address>
  160. <p><em>Icon Illustrations © 1989-2009 by Tor Books. Used with permission.</em></p>
  161. <p><em>Site hosting and maintenance courtesy of  </em><a href="http://www.dragonmount.com"><em>Dragonmount.com</em></a></p>
  162. <p><em>To contribute to the content of this site, please visit the </em><a href="http://forums.dragonmount.com/index.php/board,268.0.html"><em>Dragonmount.com Forums</em></a></p>
  163. <p><em>Comments and questions regarding the content of this site should be directed to the WoTFaq team (</em><i><a href="mailto:wotfaq@dragonmount.com?subject=WoTFAQ"><em>wotfaq@dragonmount.com</em></a></i><em>)</em></p>
  164. <p> </p>                 </div>
  165.      </div> <!-- /footer -->
  166.  
  167.     
  168. </body>
  169. </html>