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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
Date: 4 May 1996 19:53:02 -0700
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>: One you have your "null cameras" set you can tweek the texturing and
>: lighting.  Before you render just parent the camera to a null camera to
>: get a particular shot.

>What a pain in the butt. Select the camera, unparent, scroll through object
>list to pick new parent, etc. My average character alone has 90 objects at
>least! And I often have multiple characters in a scene!

>I mean, you guys are figuring nice workarounds, but you should just ask
>Newtek to put it in a future version. If you constantly act like there's no
>need, they'll never put it in.


>--
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Steph Greenberg, 3DCGIMD                CGI Character Orthopedic Surgeon,
>[e-mail]                      Chiropracter, and Podiatrist.

Hey - you are right that ACTUAL multiple cameras (if implemented correctly)
would be better than a "work around".  But your description of the process is
way bogus.  LW lists objects in the order that they are loaded.  So load your
"fake" null cameras first.  Additionally, you don't unparent and then scroll -
you merely "change" the parent.  It is one action, not two.

You have made good points.  No need to exaggerate.

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lightwave Benchmarks
Date: 4 May 1996 19:58:01 -0700
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In article <[e-mail]> Paul Martell-Mead <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: Paul Martell-Mead <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Lightwave Benchmarks
>Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 05:55:35 GMT

>If anyone can point me to some Lightwave benchmarks I would be very
>grateful. A friend of mine (a filmmaker) who bought an A4000/040 to do
>CGI effects for video years ago has finally gotten around to it, only to
>find it is stupidly slow and limited to 18Mb RAM. I need to know whether
>a Pentium class processor is likely to provide him with a significant
>speed boost, or whether he should buy an Alpha system. I would appreciate
>benchmarks for P100-200, Cyrix 686, and anything else :-)

>Thank you.

>Paul.

I don't have them handy, but a P100 is about 5 times as fast as the A4000.
The fastest Alphas are now more than 5 times as fast as the P100.  The new P6
200 falls somewhere in between. The Cyrix should be 10-20% faster than a
similar speed P5 Pentium.



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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: SN Question ?? and 060 Version for Amiga ??
Date: 4 May 1996 20:32:01 -0700
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In article <4m7r87$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Fredrik "Snuskis" Holmqvist) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Fredrik "Snuskis" Holmqvist)
>Subject: SN Question ?? and 060 Version for Amiga ??
>Date: 1 May 1996 14:08:07 GMT

>I just bought an Alpha XL and want to use it as a SN node but i don't have the SN.EXE for Alpha do i really need to spend $2300 just to get the SN

>module ??
>And also.. Will there be a 060 optimized version of LW for Amiga ??

The new price on 5.0 is $1495 and yes that is what you need.  I assume you are
going to be using the Amiga as the modeling/control station.

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
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I have been checking into CDR for archieving my animations. After doing some
checking into this for my DecAlpha system, I have found out that in order to
run the thing I would have to spend 1400.00 bucks for the software alone and
then another 1000.00 bucks for the CDR device. Geezsh! It seems to me that I
would be better off going out and purchasing a Pentium and then get only the
CDR device and just send all the files over to the Pentium from the Raptor.
The software for the Pentium would only be about a 100.00 bucks. I also figure
I could then get another LW for that machine too. But I am just wonderring if
this *IS* the way I need to go? I don't want to have to go the tape back up
route if I can avoid it.

 So, which way does everyone else think I should go? Funds are running LOW...
thanx..........md

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Subject: Re: Impact! ?
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He's not kidding...there really is no manual...at least with the Amiga
version. I picked up IMPACT! at the Video Toaster show last, what,
November, and Dynamic Realities promised that the manuals were just being
finished and would ship out to us within a month or so. I called them in
March, and they still said that the manuals weren't ready.

Oh joy.

Jeff
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From: [e-mail] (Larry J. Jacobs)
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>I have been using a dongle since the beginning (since the original beta) and
>have NEVER had a single solitary problem, nor have the 20 or so other people
I
>personally know.

Well Fred (and all you other DONGLE advocates),

I run Lightwave, 3DStudio, Speed Razor Mach III and Real 3D. All of these
programs require a dongle. If you love those freaking dongles so much how
about untangling my mess (and allow my printers to work also). Dongles
SUCK!! and so long as people continue to roll over on their backs and
accept them, we'll end up with umpteen dongles hanging off the end of the
machines. I also run Corel Draw, Adobe P/S, Picture Publisher, Adobe
Premiere, all kinds of music and graphics software as well as publishing,
etc., and so on. ALL are my very own legally purchased and registered
software. Where would I be if every software manufacturer decided to protect
their copyrights via the DONGLE! It's a cheap-charlie solution at the expense
of the legitimate user. The thiefs still end up with it because nuttin's
uncrackable! The providers need a more elegant solution.

Larry J. Jacobs
Arts & Algorithms
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From: Elliot Bain <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Error 213 starting Modeler 5.0
Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 21:49:13 -0400
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David Oxley wrote:
>
> I upgraded to LW5.0 last night.  The installation appeared to be
> successful.  Layout comes up OK (although not all object are shaded when
> using OpenGL...hmmm), but I can't run Modeler.  It pops up a dialogue box
> saying:
>
>     "Startup Failure 213: Message file missing"
>
> I've searched through the CD for a message file, but I don't really know
> what I'm looking for.  I thought it might be connected with the dongle,
> but Layout runs OK, and 4.0 never had any problems.  I reinstalled the
> Sentinel driver just in case, but it made no difference.
>
> I would appreciate any help to sort out this problem.
>
> My system: P100/64MB/2MB Millenium/1GB HD/4xCD/WinNT 3.51
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
> |David Oxley, Logica UK|SH5/HR 75 Hampstead Rd|[phone]x1800|
> |<[e-mail]> |London NW1 2PL England|[phone](fax)|
> `----------------------^----------------------^--------------------'
> All opinions expressed are mine, not Logica's. (this space for rent)

Impudent, on the #Lightwave IRC channel came up with the solution. Lightwave
seems to be U.S. centric and expects the computer to be set up for U.S.
English. Changing the OS settings cleared the problem.

--
Elliot Bain
Laurell Creative Services
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From: Angelo Chiarot <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LW 4.0 c (Newbie's Question]
Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 10:36:01 -0700
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Lance Gray wrote:
>
> puppetco wrote:
> >
> > >I wonder if there is an FAQ for this newsgroup....anyways...
> >
> > >I have some question on Lightwave 4.0c (which I recently purchased).
> >
> > >1) What is the problem when certain letters with holes in them like "o" "e"
> > >"b" etc. (which has holes in them) gets filled up? I used the modeller to
> > >create the True Type font text. Then I extrude it towards the Z axis. Saved
> > >the file and then brought it into Lightwave to play around with it. I added
> > >in  a surface, then rendered it, and all the holes in the letter gets filled
> > >up. I  don't understand what I could have done wrong. I played around with
> > >aligning  the normals, but still no hole. What am I doing wrong?
> >
> > Okay, I'm going to try this one and just wait to get shot down...
> > Sometimes if you have your ambient light set too high, or you are using
> > a reflective surface, especially if your length of extrusion or camera
> > angle do not allow you to see all the way through you letter, it will
> > *appear* as if there is no hole.  What is actually happening is that
> > there is not enough contrast between the sides and the faces of the
> > letters to allow the hole to show.  That's one possibility.  Hope it
> > helps.
> >
> > >2) I find that even after a FULL install, the program has a hard time finding
> > > certain files for various scenes (eg. the object files and texture files).
> > >It  is there in the directory and I have to MANUAL find and chose them in
> > >order to  get them loaded in. Do anyone know that could cause this???
> >
> > Only a guess, but sometimes 3rd party scenes use different directories
> > and then you will have to do things manually, then save all objects, as
> > well as the scene.  You can also edit the directories with a text editor
> > (be careful to save it as an ASCII file) to conform to your set-up.
> >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Andy Chen
> >
> > Don't thank me yet.  Good Luck.
> >
>
>         Actually, try the Modeler patch D to make modeler 4.04---this
> will solve your problem.  It's in the Lightwave Intel section of the ftp
> site at ftp://ftp.newtek.com   It's called MD40cptc.zip
>
> ________________________________________________________________________> Lance Gray ([e-mail]) **25 GIG Flyer & PC LightWave equipped**
>
>  "If you are insulted because of the name of CHRIST, you are blessed,
>   for the spirit of GOD rests on you."  1 Peter 14
> ________________________________________________________________________...Writing about non-correct face orientation with TT fonts !!!
...The T1 (type 1) don't have this problem !!! ...so, why ???
...All my texts have been made with T1 fonts 'cause the problem seem like
not solvable !!!
...A bug error ???

...Lightwave Intel NT user, (from Milan) !!!

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From: Angelo Chiarot <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Pentium Pro System
Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 10:43:18 -0700
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I am going to buy a Pentium Pro 200mHz system with the following
> configuration, and I am wondering if it would be an optimal system
> configuration for running Lightwave 5.0?
>
> -200mHz Pentium Pro Processor
> -64 RAM (Upgradeable to 128MB)
> -Adaptec AHA-2940UW controller
> -Seagate Barracuda 4LP ST3437W 4GB Hard Disk
> -Iomega Jaz 1GB Portable Hard Disk
> -6X SCSI-2 CD-ROM
> -16 Bit Soundscape Ensoniq Elite Wavetable Sound Card
> -28.8 Baud Fax/Modem
> -21" Sony Trinitron Monitor
> -Windows 3.51 (or 4.0 if available)
>
> Should I be considering a different system for running LW5?  Any
> comments on this would be greatly appreciated!

...I use LW 4.0 and create animation every day, for work !!!
...The system you esplain seems like very powerful !!!
...What about for a MATROX MILLENIUM 8 MB with OPEN GL ???
...And, never heard about vers. 5 of LW ???
...Do u have some news about it ???

...Waiting your reply !!!

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From: Angelo Chiarot <[e-mail]>
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Subject: SEARCHING FOR PARTICULAR PLUG-IN
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...hi, to everyone !!!
...can you help me ??? ...I'm searching for a new plug-in optimizing the
antialias pass in layout ??? ...did u hear something about this ???

...However, upgrade of LW 5.0 at 895 dollars ???
...CCRRAZZYY !!! ...DON'T YOU !!!
...Bye !!!

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From: [e-mail] ("Glyn Williams")
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Best OpenGL video card??
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> As far as I know, Matrox still does not have software drivers
> working that enable 3D support under Win95 or WinNT. Also, unless you
> get an 8MB card, you'll be limited to 16-bit color depth at 800x600 or
> 640x480.
 I wouln't worry too much about this. The hardware 3D polygon plotter in
the Millenium is not particulary fast and is in fact likely to be
*slower* than software on a top end system.

Glyn Williams

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> Please do.  I am planning on buying a PPro board, and am in the process
> of
> recommending systems & components to others.
>

This is a quote from another group - which I believe to be completely
reliable....


> If you look at the 82450 OBP (Bridge chip), the largest
> of the 7 chip orion chipset, you will see a # on the chip,
> 82454.  Underneath # is an SU code, this tells you the
> stepping:
> SU022,024,028,030,042, and 044 are all A2 stepping.
> SU059,SU063 and SU064 are all B0 Stepping.
>
> You >>WANT<< B0 Stepping, if you do any PCI video at all.
> The A2 stepping does not allow outbound write posting under
> any circumstances so writes to PCI video boards will be
> limited to about 4MB/sec (REAL SLOW).
>
> If you have an Intel Performance/AU motherboard, then
> motherboard part #'s (located on a sticker on the motherboard)
> that end in -702 or later are B0 equipped systems, those
> ending in -701 or earlier are earlier chipset versions.
> I saw a board the other day with -604 on it, mine has -703.
>
> -Roger

Hope that helps

Glyn Williams - Particle Systems


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On 5/3/96 10:20PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Elliot Bain
<[e-mail]> wrote:
> Mark Dunakin wrote:
> >
> > After seeing a couple of these Impact! questions, I am beginning to wonder
> > if someone has started making copies and passing them around? Because these
> > types of questions seem to me to be the stuff you would find out just by >
> > reading the manual..........md


> Ahhh, there's the rub....There is no manual! Ask any user. Ask any vendor.
>
> --
> Elliot Bain
> Laurell Creative Services
> 614.459.4404

 Is this a common problem with LW plug-ins? I have read both LW user and
reference books and still have not found any info on the plug-ins that came
with LW 4.0. I have also downloaded plug-ins from Newtek FTP and there's no
info on using any of these plug-ins either.

 I have yet to buy any plug-ins but now I'm hesitant to get any Plug-ins since
they may or may not include any manuals.

- Can anyone tell me which commercial plug-ins does and don't include
documentation?
- Also where can I get info on the plug-ins posted in the Newtek FTP site?

Thank You!
--
Giorgio E. A.
[e-mail]


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On 5/3/96 10:20PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Elliot Bain
<[e-mail]> wrote:
> Mark Dunakin wrote:
> >
> > After seeing a couple of these Impact! questions, I am beginning to wonder
> > if someone has started making copies and passing them around? Because these
> > types of questions seem to me to be the stuff you would find out just by >
> > reading the manual..........md


> Ahhh, there's the rub....There is no manual! Ask any user. Ask any vendor.
>
> --
> Elliot Bain
> Laurell Creative Services
> 614.459.4404

 Is this a common problem with LW plug-ins? I have read both LW user and
reference books and still have not found any info on the plug-ins that came
with LW 4.0. I have also downloaded plug-ins from Newtek FTP and there's no
info on using any of these plug-ins either.

 I have yet to buy any plug-ins but now I'm hesitant to get any Plug-ins since
they may or may not include any manuals.

- Can anyone tell me which commercial plug-ins does and don't include
documentation?
- Also where can I get info on the plug-ins posted in the Newtek FTP site?

Thank You!
--
Giorgio E. A.
[e-mail]


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Malcolm Lavery ([e-mail] (Malcolm Lavery)) wrote:

 ML> Was it not the Amiga that gave birth to Lightwave?.

Yep ! But parents mostly get behind after a while ... :-)

Frank Aalbers
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Larry J. Jacobs wrote:
>
> >I have been using a dongle since the beginning (since the original beta) and
> >have NEVER had a single solitary problem, nor have the 20 or so other people
> I
> >personally know.
>
> Well Fred (and all you other DONGLE advocates),
>
> I run Lightwave, 3DStudio, Speed Razor Mach III and Real 3D. All of these
> programs require a dongle. If you love those freaking dongles so much how
> about untangling my mess (and allow my printers to work also). Dongles
> SUCK!! and so long as people continue to roll over on their backs and
> accept them, we'll end up with umpteen dongles hanging off the end of the
> machines. I also run Corel Draw, Adobe P/S, Picture Publisher, Adobe
> Premiere, all kinds of music and graphics software as well as publishing,
> etc., and so on. ALL are my very own legally purchased and registered
> software. Where would I be if every software manufacturer decided to protect
> their copyrights via the DONGLE! It's a cheap-charlie solution at the expense
> of the legitimate user. The thiefs still end up with it because nuttin's
> uncrackable! The providers need a more elegant solution.
>
> Larry J. Jacobs
> Arts & Algorithms
> Tampa, FL 33635
>

I agree.  I haven't been able to use my QuickCam for over 2 mos. because of my LW dongle.  It is
NOT trasparant like they say.  I had to make a decision of what was more valuable to me, LW or the
QC.  So my QC is sitting on the self in its box.  It really sucks that I had to make that
decision.  I REALLY shoudn't have to.  Some people will say "buy another parallel port card".
That would work, but that's more $$ out of my pocket that I shouldn't be expected to spend.
Dongles suck!  Their ineffectiveness is demonstrated everyday with every "need lightwave crack"
message posted.  I'd rather LW just go w/ serial numbers instead.  The fucking pirates will get
their cracked copies of LW regardless.  Let's focus on the USER not the stinkin' pirates.
--

Bryant Reif
mailto:[e-mail]
http://www.aiesec.org/~bryant

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From: [e-mail] ("Glyn Williams")
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> The Pentuim Pro that I used wasn't all that terrific.  It was fast, but
> a dual 133 will probably serve you better.
>
> Floating point operations aren't all that swift on the pro.
>
> GT

Greg, I hate to differ but I wonder if you came across one of the many
P-pro systems that have the Orion 82450 chipset bug which slows them down
enormously. Especially in screen updates.

We have done some Lightwave benchmarking now and the PPro 200 when
rendering under NT is three times faster than a P100 (or almost exactly
the same speed as s 275 21064(older) Alpha processor.)

The PPro 200 rates at about the same speed at floating point as a 300MHz
pentium machine. Twin 133s would at best make a theoretical "266" machine
and such a machine would require twice as much ram and be much more
expensive.

Almost all of the early P Pros were sold with a buggy version of the
support chipset which makes the PCI bus run at a dreadful 4megabytes per
second. This slows down screen updates as well as disk access and paging
rates.

Glyn Williams - Particle Systems


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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Gleeson)
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In article <4m6hom$[e-mail]>, Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Stranahan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>: Bill Leonard wrote....
>: --------------------------------------------
>: $12,000 is a bargain!
>: ------------------------------------------
>
>: Hey, Bill - you want to invest in a feature film?!? Anyone who thinks $12k
>: is a bargain is MY kinda guy....
>
>
>: Lee Stranahan
>
>: "I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
>: for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
>
>Lee, did that $5,000 include everyone's salaries? I know a guy who used
>to be at Sony Imageworks who did an SF film for $7,000, but that didn't
>include a bunch of people working for free and the free use of equipment
>which would have billed at over $2 million. Just curious.

For my two cents worth, I would have to agree.

I shot a rock video 4 years ago on T-Grain 16mm and with me not charging a
cent for directing or editing, with the production suite only charging $100 an
hour for on-line (instead of the normal $300 per hour) and most of the crew
throwing their time in for nix, the bill still came to $12,000 which I thought
was pretty amazingly low.

We had no special effects and most of the cost was stock, camera hire,
telecine transfer, lights, smoke machines and other equipment outlays.

This was for a 4 minute clip.

OK, costs are higher in Australia, but that was 4 years ago and on 16mm.

For my other two cents worth, my brief look at SoftImage leaves me stunned. I
own three Lightwave licenses and would love to be able to justify buying
SoftImage.

Cheers

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Kevin Gleeson
Imagine It
3D animation and graphics
Hobart
Tasmania
Australia

The Librarian Rules! - OOOK!
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Gleeson)
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In article <4m6bbq$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] () wrote:
>I am going to buy a Pentium Pro 200mHz system with the following
>configuration, and I am wondering if it would be an optimal system
>configuration for running Lightwave 5.0?
>
>-200mHz Pentium Pro Processor
>-64 RAM (Upgradeable to 128MB)
>-Adaptec AHA-2940UW controller
>-Seagate Barracuda 4LP ST3437W 4GB Hard Disk
>-Iomega Jaz 1GB Portable Hard Disk
>-6X SCSI-2 CD-ROM
>-16 Bit Soundscape Ensoniq Elite Wavetable Sound Card
>-28.8 Baud Fax/Modem
>-21" Sony Trinitron Monitor
>-Windows 3.51 (or 4.0 if available)
>
>Should I be considering a different system for running LW5?  Any
>comments on this would be greatly appreciated!
>
Sounds good.

What video card though. Make sure it is OpenGL capable (and get some secure
promises from Matrox if you look at the Millenium. It is supposedly OpenGL
capable but there are some serious doubts.)

How are you going to get to tape? A DPS Perception should be on your wish list
unless you have a system to supply this facility already.

And lastly, I've found every speed increase I have made calls for more RAM. I
have two P133's each with 64Meg and they bog down quite often. I will soon buy
more RAM and run 96 Meg in each. With the speed the P6 200 could achieve I
would find myself designing more and more complex scenes and therefore needing
more RAM.

If you have money left over - chuck it into RAM. 128 Meg would not be wasted I
can assure you.

Hope that helps.

Cheers

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Kevin Gleeson
Imagine It
3D animation and graphics
Hobart
Tasmania
Australia

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On 04-May-96 19:13:07, the dood Frank Aalbers said about Re: Has AMIGA been
sold again?:

Hi, Frank...

> Malcolm Lavery ([e-mail] (Malcolm Lavery)) wrote:

 ML>> Was it not the Amiga that gave birth to Lightwave?.

> Yep ! But parents mostly get behind after a while ... :-)

Hehe, yep, poor things. ;)

Is it possable for a patch to optimize the Lightwave/Modeler code for an 060
CPU?.

Cya!...

--
Mal!! :)


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From: Jean-Eric Hénault <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> On 4/26/96 10:39PM, in message <4lsf3u$[e-mail]>, Richard Garrison
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I don't know where this guy get's his info. But Alias and an SGI will
> > take you much further than the latter. If you want to do video work
> > then either will get the job done, (of course Alias will do quite a
> > bit more) if you want to get into film work then Alias is the clear
> > choice.
> >
>
> Well I get this info from personal experience.  As far as film work, I'm doing
> it now.  On Lightwave.  What are you doing?
> --
>                       -=Fred=-
>         Lightwave animator: Digital DomainI guess it depends on how you use it.

I know someone who borrowed $100,000 just to get an SGI with PowerAnimator a year ago. He went bankrupt a few
months ago because of this...

LightWave may not have all the bells and whistles that Alias may have, but in some ways, it's a great way to
start. First, use it to become a great animator, getting known, and making money to buy more stuff... like
PowerAnimator or SoftImage.

A lot of the top animators today, that are using SI or Alias haave once used other packages like 3DS or
LightWave. It is not fair to compare those packages. They are designed for two very different markets and
budgets. It is futile to compare oranges and apples...

Jean-Eric
Animator

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From: [e-mail] (Robert K. Williams)
Subject: Does 5.0 support dual Pentiums?
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I'm just curious if LW5.0 has been optimized to support dual Pentiums, without
running two copies of the program, or multiple SN CPUs.  This would be
especially nice in modeler.


regards,        v   v  **************************************
Rob K. Williams        (. .)  *  AmigaDOS:  The OS my Pentium 100  *
a.k.a. scorpio          8    *  wants to run, when it grows up!   *
LIGHTWAVE RULES!    @_|    **************************************

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Subject: How is the documentation with 5.0 upgrade?
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Just curious what kind of documentation comes with the 5.0 upgrade.  I had
heard there was printing problems, and docs were not shipping with the package
at this time.  Are they shipping docs yet?  If so, how do they rate?


regards,        v   v  **************************************
Rob K. Williams        (. .)  *  AmigaDOS:  The OS my Pentium 100  *
a.k.a. scorpio          8    *  wants to run, when it grows up!   *
LIGHTWAVE RULES!    @_|    **************************************

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Hi!
    We have been making an animation as a project for school (actually multiple animations). When
rendering the scene, there are about 13 objects in the scene all together. Antialiasing is on high, trace
shadows is on, except one object is unseen by rays and does not cast a shadow. If anyone could help with our
problem, we run in Windows 95, and if we try to run in Windows 3.1 we get Win32s errors every 10 minutes or
so. We've included the error message that we got + some notes we took about it.

Thanks ahead of time.

Wojtek Jarosz and Michael Pape

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Wuzup,
    I'm running Lightwave 4.0 Rev C in Windows 3.1 and I'm getting Win32's errors ALL THE TIME!!!  It
tells me that there was a unhandled detected and then it shuts down.  After a few weeks I went to a friends
house and ran it on WIN95.  It worked just fine (with no errors whats so ever0.  But my friend and I have just
posted another message saying that we are now having rendering errors in WIN95.  Anyway, if anyone of you
have had that same problem and have fixed it, PLEASE HELP!!!

Wojtek Jarosz

PS I'm writing this from my friend's house, my e-mail is [e-mail]

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HI,

Can anyone tell me how can i convert 3DS meshes to Lightwave Objects and
vice-versa?

Thanks for the help,

Jose

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From: Prem Subrahmanyam <[e-mail]>
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To: Dave Paige <[e-mail]>

Dave Paige wrote:
>
> Nobody yet has actually given an example of why multiple cameras is
> usefull.
>
> Dave Paige
> Alfheim Imaging
> [e-mail]

OK.  Here's a good example:

Say you're working on an accident reconstruction, a spaceship or
airplance chase scene, or any number of cases where you might
need a view from outside and a cockpit/driver's seat view of
the same scene.  OK, well easy enough to set up the scene and
save out multiple copies and keyframe the separate cameras and
render the separate scenes.  But now, Mr. Accident Expert or
Mr. Creative Director comes back and says "tweak that scene".
OK, well let's go to the original, tweak the animation, save
out multiple copies of the scene, load motion paths from the
previous scene, tweak the camera animations, and re-render.
Mr. In-Charge still doesn't like it, needs it tweaked again...
ugh, this is getting ridiculous.  Now, if I only had multiple
cameras so I could do all my tweaking at once and re-render....

-- Prem
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Prem Subrahmanyam
[e-mail]
Home Page: http://dev.uol.com/~prem/index.html
Programmer, graphics designer, fossil nut extraordinaire.
"Have you seen my trilobites today?"
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I have a copy of LW 4.0 for the Amiga for sale. This is a registered copy with dongle and manuals. Will sell for
150.00. If you are interested leave mail or call 407-673-2250 between 9:00am and 6:00pm mon-fri.

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From: [e-mail]
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OK, I need to do "crawly blue sparks" in LW.  Suggestions?

    (BTW, currently a bitmapped animation >seems< the way to go.  I'd be
happy to be proved wrong....)

******************************************************************************
** [e-mail]     |     Synergy Graphix & Animation -- Seattle     **


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Is there any user guide book written
for beginner on LW ?

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Hi there
    You might want to see if the problem is listed in the Unofficial
Lightwave bug list
    http://www.panix.com/~lito/pages/LWBugList.html
--
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Blanos)
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Subject: ANNOUNCE: Internet Raytracing Competition
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In case you all don't know about this, here's a repost of the
comp.rendering.graphics.raytracing announcement that the Internet
Raytracing Competition is starting up again. (I'm not affiliated with
the IRTC - I'm just a competitor in this very cool contest.) Take a
look at their www page and flex some Lightwave muscle! It's a great
way to show off both your skills and LW's capability.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

As some of you may know, Matt Kruse ran a very successful raytracing
competition last year, with many excellent pictures submitted.

We are now continuing where he left off. The IRTC (Internet Raytracing
Competition) is a competition held every two months open to all 3D
rendering computer artists on any platform and software.

All you need to do is create an original work on the current topic and
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From: derek <[e-mail]>
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Please anybody out there know whether I can
order books on lightwave with tutorials?
Thank You

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From: [e-mail] (steve)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
Date: 5 May 1996 18:53:06 GMT
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>Yes, you certainly can use 2 monitors along with 2 matrox cards or single
cards that
>support 2 monitors. There's even an entry in the NT registry so that if a
program
>puts an unmovable alert or textbox in the center of the screen, ala
rendering stats
>in LW, you can have NT put the box on only one of the monitors. Now that LW
supports
>import/export you can have both programs open at the same time, at full
screen size,
>with no overlap and have your work progress without the distraction of
switching
>virtual screens or dealing with clutter.
>
>I've worked on a station like this, and it's really a nice way to work. As
for me,
>tho, I'd just as soon put the extra money into more ram than for an extra
monitor.
>
>--
>Elliot Bain
>Laurell Creative Services
>614.459.4404

Well alot of us are probably going to end up with an extra nonGL PCI video
card in the near future and I myself have a couple extra 14" moniters that I
move around to whichever Mac I need to run After Effects on.  So the cost is
little to nothing for me assuming I can use 1-stealth with one Glint card.

The question I have is do any two video cards work together with M$'s
MDI(multiple device interface)?  When I have tested or seen two moniter
systems they always had 2 of the same card (I think).  At NAB for example Max
was demoed with 2 of the same Glint based OpenGl cards.

Anyone?  Can I mix a less expensive card with a fast OpenGL card?

steve


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Try http://www.portal.com/~donrh for many great links to Lightwave
    and other 3D objects, textures, etc.

Don

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From: Rex Olson <[e-mail]>
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Dennis Grant wrote:
> There's 3 tapes that (if they exist) that I would find really useful:
>
> 1) Effective Surfacing.
> 2) Effective Lighting.
> 3) Effective Cinematography
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> --
> --------------------------
> Dennis Grant
> [e-mail]
> http://www.cycor.ca/TCave/

Desktop Images offers a complete series of "classic" Stranahan videotapes covering these subjects and more.
Check out our complete catalog of titles, including Spacecraft Model Design & Surfacing Techniques by Babylon
5 effects wizard Ron Thornton, at our web site.

--
Rex Olson
Desktop Images Instructional Videotapes
http//www.desktopimages.com/desktop/

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From: [e-mail] (Howard ST)
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>>Please anybody out there know whether I can
order books on lightwave with tutorials?
Thank You

>>

I have spent my weekend reading "The Best of LightWave Pro Compilation
Book"-- this is an excellent 250+ page book filled with tutorials from
back issues of LightWave Pro newsletter. It is avail, I believe, from AMG
media at [phone] or http://www.portal.com/~amg
-H

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I just did an animation with a sequence of tga's being rotoscoped on
an array of boxes. I rendered it through screamernet on two machines.
A P150 and a 486. The animation looked very jerky, as if frames were
being dropped. I went in and looked at each individual frame and found
that the sequence was not being mapped in order. It would jump back a
few frames every so often. I deleted all the frames and started over
using just the pentium for rendering and this fixed the problem. I was
using the 486 as job1. Could this have anything to do with it? Any
clues? Thanks for any ideas.


______________
Matt Bauer
[e-mail]


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Just a note to all of you looking for LightWave tutorials, tips, and other
info.  The Lighthouse Imaging web site now features a few installments of my
Video Toaster User column Taming The Wave.  I'll be adding more installments
(as well as a few unpublished) as time permits.

http://www.primenet.com/~lthouse

-David


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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> OK, I need to do "crawly blue sparks" in LW.  Suggestions?
>
>         (BTW, currently a bitmapped animation >seems< the way to go.  I'd be
> happy to be proved wrong....)
>
> ******************************************************************************
> ** [e-mail]     |     Synergy Graphix & Animation -- Seattle     **


I'm not sure what you mean by "crawly blue sparks". If you mean Little particals Like a Sparkler or other fireworks, I would use "Sparks" or
"Partical Storm" or even do them by hand (if you want me to I'll explain how to), But if your talking lightning type of an effect. I would use
IMAGEFX (on the AMIGA) to generate a bitmaped animation. There is a Plug-in called Vertilectric.You can get it at http://bei.moscow.com and a
whole artical about it in Volume 4 Issue 1 LWPro. Hope this helps.

Brad Hayes
www.pacificnet.net/~bjhayes

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In <[e-mail]> Angelo Chiarot
<[e-mail]> writes:
>
>...hi, to everyone !!!
>...can you help me ??? ...I'm searching for a new plug-in optimizing
>the antialias pass in layout ??? ...did u hear something about this
>???

You might want to try WaveFilter, it's got it's own AA system.  The
WaveFilter homepage is:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mikereed/

It's got some interesting info there, check it out!

>...However, upgrade of LW 5.0 at 895 dollars ???
>...CCRRAZZYY !!! ...DON'T YOU !!!
>...Bye !!!

Well...think...$495...don't....where...price!!!
Can't....for...upgrade!

Keep on 'wavin!

                                Brenden Mecleary
                              [e-mail]
                        http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1979/

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From: [e-mail] (steve)
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>
>Personally I quite like the way that Real3D works. All objects,
>materials, etc are stored in a heirarchy like a directory tree, with the
>ability to open seperate windows for any 'directory' in the tree. It's

what would be better is if the hierarchy open/closed in one window like Adobe
After Effects which looks/works like Mac directories with the little
triangles next to object/folder except you get the whole scene-info and
f-curve editer with it. Its way easier to visualize than to have to open up
multiple windows like in Real3D.  You don't have to remeber relationship
between multiple windows - your tree is right there.

s


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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> On 5/3/96 10:20PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Elliot Bain
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > Mark Dunakin wrote:
> > >
> > > After seeing a couple of these Impact! questions, I am beginning to wonder
> > > if someone has started making copies and passing them around? Because these
> > > types of questions seem to me to be the stuff you would find out just by >
> > > reading the manual..........md
>
> > Ahhh, there's the rub....There is no manual! Ask any user. Ask any vendor.
> >
> > --
> > Elliot Bain
> > Laurell Creative Services
> > 614.459.4404
>
>  Is this a common problem with LW plug-ins? I have read both LW user and
> reference books and still have not found any info on the plug-ins that came
> with LW 4.0. I have also downloaded plug-ins from Newtek FTP and there's no
> info on using any of these plug-ins either.
>
>  I have yet to buy any plug-ins but now I'm hesitant to get any Plug-ins since
> they may or may not include any manuals.
>
> - Can anyone tell me which commercial plug-ins does and don't include
> documentation?
> - Also where can I get info on the plug-ins posted in the Newtek FTP site?
>
> Thank You!
> --
> Giorgio E. A.
> [e-mail]

Giorgio:

All the comercial Plug-Ins I have spent money on DO have documentation. They include WaveFilter, Sparks, and IMPACT! The manule for impact
leaves you felling a little jiped, but it's all there. For such a powerful program you would expect more than 5-10 pages. there is also an
online version of help which is basicly a reprint of the manual.

The NewTek Plugings on the other hand... Well your on your own there. At least on the amiga side you can opne the plugin up and read it's
header and find out what it's supposed to do.


Brad Hayes
HTTP://www.pacificnet.net/~bjhayes

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----------------
I shot a rock video 4 years ago on T-Grain 16mm and with me not charging a

cent for directing or editing, with the production suite only charging
$100 an
hour for on-line (instead of the normal $300 per hour) and most of the
crew
throwing their time in for nix, the bill still came to $12,000 which I
thought
was pretty amazingly low. We had no special effects and most of the cost
was stock, camera hire, telecine transfer, lights, smoke machines and
other equipment outlays. This was for a 4 minute clip.

---------------------------------
$12,000 is a very low budget for a music video, no doubt. So, it's pretty
cool that I was able to do what I did.

Editing costs on my project were about $3000 - we got the film in the can
for around $5000. I bought the stock myself (Kodak 5298 35mm), rented the
camera package, bought insurance, got the grip/lighting package, arranged
for the audio, oversaw the set design...and we used a fogger, too! It's my
production, so I didn't charge myself.

I don't know or care what it 'should have' cost - I have a real live film
that I can watch that I produced for the amount of money I say I produced
it for. I think anybody could do it....even do it for less money. (I'm in
pre-production on a 90 min feature that I'm planning on shooting for even
less money than the short.) There are a lot of tricks that people can
learn to save a ton of money and get their vision onto film, no matter how
much money they have...




_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan

"I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm

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From: [e-mail] (steve)
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Subject: Lightwave vs. Cubicomp
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   I am looking to buy a 3D app and was wondering if I should get LW or
Cubicomp.  Sure LW has some nice features, but I can get CC for ALOT less and
there are workarounds for all those other features anyway.  E.g. instead of
using magnet - you just move each point one at a time to where you want.  And
when 64,000 polys aren't enough just composite several scenes in video.

   After all its the artist not the program that makes good art!

mu,

steve


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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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Subject: Re: Wait for 5?
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Wait, wait, wait - there isn't long to wait and you'll save money....


_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan

"I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Stranahan in action
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Hey, I'm now 'classic Stranahan'! How old I feel.....with all the changes
in LW 5.0, it's probably best to wait for our new tapes. And as great as
B5 is, a lot of people seem to like the designs for Space : Above And
Beyond better - if you do, Ken Stranahan's 5.0 tapes will show you how get
that sort of look.


_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan

"I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm

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From: [e-mail] (JBooth411)
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In article <4mdkgt$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Noam
Ben-Ami) writes:

>
>What I absolutely cannot BELIEVE is that no one is talking about Imagine
4.0.
>Its
>a $695 package but anyone can get it for $200. It certainly has a lot of
>awesome
>features, not the least of which is a huge assortment of very powerful,
fast,
>and
>plain cool algorithmic textures. Its one of the best 3D packages made and
its
>
>price is stunning.

    Thats because this is the LIGHTWAVE list.. Not the Imagine list... We
already have enough 3ds crap here...



Jason Booth
Second Nature, Inc.
 "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
RICH!!!!"



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From: [e-mail] (Jamie Dickie)
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Well as the subject says I'm a newbie.  I just started with Lightwave 4.0 and
would like to know of a book that I could get to teach me how to use it
properly (kinda like a "for dummies" book :) ).  Around here none of the
stores have anything on lightwave so I will have to order it (which means I
need all the pertanent info about the book as well).

I'm just using Lightwave for stills (my computer sucks too much to do
animations....takes way too long for simple stuff) so I need a book that will
show me how to create objects (in modeler) and how to use effects, layout
etc... to make a nice still shot.  Thanks for any help!!


************************************************************
Jamie Dickie
Email:[e-mail]        Put "Jamie" in subject line
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From: [e-mail] (JBooth411)
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Subject: Re: Scripting In Layout (BML) ?
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In article <318a6955.16264767@news>,
(gw%njenkins€RJ3M-26YPLZ9L-BFFD44DT-1EA6CC82) writes:

>need to a way to do a batch render on LW with a PC or Alpha.
>
>essentially, I want to load up a certain scenefile, render the frames,
>then change the resolution and render the frames again, change the
>resolution and render them again, etc... then It will load up a second
>scenefile and repeat the procedure.   Will  BML do this?
>Or does anyone know of anything else that will do it?
>I might be able to get the programmers on my team to make me a plugin,
>but does anyone have the experienc witrh this kind of thing to give me
>some advice?
>Does anyone have any info on getting BML for layout?  (or BLL)



     Although BML for layout is great (and could do this...) you can do
this fine in screamernet. Just save your scene file out with each
resolution setting as a seperate scene file - then batch render them all..



Jason Booth
Second Nature, Inc.
 "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
RICH!!!!"



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From: [e-mail] (Noam Ben-Ami)
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Subject: Re: Lightwave vs. Cubicomp
Date: 5 May 1996 21:54:54 GMT
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[e-mail] (steve) writes:

>   I am looking to buy a 3D app and was wondering if I should get LW or
>Cubicomp.  Sure LW has some nice features, but I can get CC for ALOT less and
>there are workarounds for all those other features anyway.  E.g. instead of
>using magnet - you just move each point one at a time to where you want.  And
>when 64,000 polys aren't enough just composite several scenes in video.

>   After all its the artist not the program that makes good art!

>mu,

>steve


I will personally hunt down and kill any moron who takes this post seriously.


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From: [e-mail](William A. Mendez )
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How does this work?  Modeler or Layout, and is it similar to
Softimage's lattice deformation.  I saw a reel that had a bee deform
through a straw.

Thanks
Will Mendez

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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
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It is not fair to compare those packages. They are designed for two very
different markets and budgets. It is futile to compare oranges and
apples...
------------

I'm sorry, but I think it's very fair - the Industry works on a budget,
period. LightWave and other reasonably priced tools offer more bang for
the buck, period. You can simply do more, cheaper. If anyone doubts this,
put out a bid to a Alias company and a LightWave company. I know which one
can give you more for your money. I know that the right LightWave artist,
and there are a few of them, can deliver anything - and I mean ANYTHING -
the Alias artist can, on an equivilent budget. You don't think so? You
don't know the right artists....


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From: Dean Oliver <[e-mail]>
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I have a copy of Scene Machine for Lightwave for
sale.  I am asking $150.00 for this CD Rom.  Please
direct all questions/offers to:

[e-mail]

Dean Oliver
Virtually Real

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Hi,
Gee that's funny, most of the people who ordered _have_ or are about to
receive their's??? We'd be happy to straighten out any problem. What's the
deal and how can we help?
Tom Patrick
Executive Editor
LIGHTWAVEPRO Comp. Book & CD-ROM

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Is there an adress for emailing Newtek, there was some one in sapport called Chuck.
Can anyone help me???


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From: LonerSam <[e-mail]>
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Problem:

I just can't make a simple tunnel or trya drill a
... let's say a rod into a cube. Yes, that's it.
Simple. But is there any techniques? Like should I
triple the driller and 'drillee' first? When I
should use SDrill and when I should use Boolean
Subtract? I just don't understand. I read the user
manuel and did everything it tells. Just doesn't
seem to be drilling anything. What's the count?

Another problem is with the PowerView. It tends to
reverse everything (left and right, sometimes up
and down). Does anyone has this similar problem?)


Please help! Thanks!


LSam
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From: [e-mail] (Johan Steen)
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I just placed my order for LW 4 on Amiga and was wondering if the Amiga
version as well uses a dongle in the parallell port?

Just so I know if I should start looking for extra parallell ports or
not.

/Johan


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On 5/1/96 12:54PM, in message <4m8fh4$[e-mail]>, Stranahan
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> ==========================
> Agreed.  It's amazing how it takes about 4 posts for any X vs. Y
> discussion to turn into name calling.  Thank god we can just skip entire
> threads, because that's what I end up doing with any X vs. Y after the
> first day.
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> Yeah, smart guy? Well, I'll have you know that X RULES - X is clearly
> better, and it's used by all kinds of people. Y Sucks! I know somebody
> who's seen a demo of Y and he said that Y is lousy! And X2.0 is even
> better!
>
>
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>
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> Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm
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Well, lets wait and see when they both ship.  I've heard some good things about
Y but most of that was from their own web page.  Basically, if you want really
good renders, you'll have to get your Z's anyway in the meantime.  Also, the
manuals for X are so big and heavy (there's a lot to learn) that the bottom
fell off the box I was carrying my three copies in.  Looking at it now, I guess
it was foolish of me to put all my X into one basket.
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On 4/20/96 8:45PM, in message <[e-mail]>, PeterW
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> >The expectations for games and film/TV are different.  Games don't go for a
> >true photoreal look for the simple reason that the time/budgets couldn't
> handle
> >it.  Games are easier.
>
> I disagree with this completely.  It should be more like games/TV and
> film are comletely different.   TV and games are approaching the same
> resolution and color depth (640X480 at 8 to 24 bit) while film is way
> out there (1000x1000+ depending on if you scale up).
>
> I have seen game animations that rival TV animations.

Have you seen those game animations on a computer or on D1 video?  I'm talking
about how the games look at D1 or better.  They are not done for this though so
if you see them like this they look pretty lousy.  In other words, they don't
have to look as good--hence they are easier--for computer quality playback.
Things like sliding feet and other precision things are FAR less noticeable on
a game than they would be blown up on an 80 foot screen.  If you know the
animation will play on an 80 foot screen, you have to take the time to make
sure everything is perfect.  For a game you can get away with a lot more,
therefore it's easier.  It's not easy enough that you don't have to have
talent, but it is more forgiving than 2k output.


>   As for
> photorealism there is very little of TV that is CG and that is
> photorealistic.  Have you every watched B5, Seaquest, Hercules, and
> etc and watched an effect shot and say wow that looks real?  It may
> look neat or cool but very rarely does it actually look real.
>
>
> Peter W.
>
>

They look better than game animations would at the same resolution.  They don't
look as good as film of course but that's because they're not.
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On 5/4/96 11:12AM, in message <[e-mail]>, Jeff Jasper
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> > > 3. Alternatively, Autodesk [a *bad* word on this newsgroup ;-)] makes a 2D
> > >    paint and animation package called Animator Studio that has a multitude
> > >    of features. See http://www.autodesk.com Price: ~$700
>
> I think they significantly lowered their price to something like $250 for
> this.
> Not sure though.
>
> > The Autodesk program is a good one.  Another one I'd recommend is Animation
> > Paintbox by Azeena Technologies.  It is basically a DPaint clone, but is not
> > capable of 24 bit.
>
> There is also Animator Pro, which is like DPaint with a bad UI. Not sure
> about it's
> price either.
>
> Jeff

Yes, I picked up Animator Studio for about US$280.
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On 5/4/96 8:54AM, in message <4mg96s$[e-mail]>, Morgan Price
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> [e-mail] (David Oxley) wrote:
>
> >I upgraded to LW5.0 last night.  The installation appeared to be
> >successful.  Layout comes up OK (although not all object are shaded when
> >using OpenGL...hmmm), but I can't run Modeler.  It pops up a dialogue box
> >saying:
>
> >    "Startup Failure 213: Message file missing"
>
> A friend just installed 5.0 yesterday and, after many problems and a
> couple of serious crashes he got it installed.  Has the same error
> and, unfortunately missed Newtechnical support (Friday afternoon on
> the West Coast).  Ahyway, we installed it under 95 and it works fine,
> try that, if you have it.
>
> As far as the openGL objects, in the scene panel you can tell
> Lightwave, just like before, to selectively redraw objects, only now
> you have bounding box, wireframe...solid (ie openGL).  You can also
> select all objects openGL.
>
> hope this helps,
>
> Morgan
>
> _____________________
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>

Here's what you need to do:

Find these files and put them in your working directory (which is whatever
directory your LW configs are).
Mod_err.enu
Mod_err.im
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Fred wrote
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I guess it was foolish of me to put all my X into one basket.
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You will burn in hell for that pun.

But you look great in Access Denied!


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From: [e-mail](Jeffrey R. Hammond )
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark
Dunakin) writes:
>
>I have been checking into CDR for archieving my animations. After
doing some
>checking into this for my DecAlpha system, I have found out that in
order to
>run the thing I would have to spend 1400.00 bucks for the software
alone and
>then another 1000.00 bucks for the CDR device. Geezsh! It seems to me
that I
>would be better off going out and purchasing a Pentium and then get
only the
>CDR device and just send all the files over to the Pentium from the
Raptor.
>The software for the Pentium would only be about a 100.00 bucks. I
also figure
>I could then get another LW for that machine too. But I am just
wonderring if
>this *IS* the way I need to go? I don't want to have to go the tape
back up
>route if I can avoid it.
>
> So, which way does everyone else think I should go? Funds are running
LOW...
>thanx..........md

Or you could wait and get FX/32 from DEC. I beleive it's in beta and
should be shipping by june or july for FREE from DEC. FX/32 will
recompile win32 intel code so your alpha can run it. I can't wait to
run PhotoShop, Fractal Painter, ect, ect on my alpha.

Jeff Hammond
J.R. Animations Co.

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On 03-May-96 14:21:39, Johan Otterstrom ([e-mail]) posted:

> (snip)  CybergraphX is the defacto RTG
> standard for the Amiga, supporting 8 differnt graphicsboards already
> including Altais on the DraCo.

CybergraphX is not any kind of standard at all. There just plain aren't any
'standards' outside of the Amiga native chipset. CybergraphX is probably
the most popular of the third-party graphics card drivers for the Amiga. I
use it myself, and like it a lot. But to call it a 'standard' is just not
accurate.

Regards,
John Crookshank
MicroTech

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From: Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>
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steve <[e-mail]> wrote:
:    I am looking to buy a 3D app and was wondering if I should get LW or
: Cubicomp.  Sure LW has some nice features, but I can get CC for ALOT less and
: there are workarounds for all those other features anyway.  E.g. instead of
: using magnet - you just move each point one at a time to where you want.  And
: when 64,000 polys aren't enough just composite several scenes in video.

I used Cubicomp before it was discontinued sometime around 1990. Cubicomp
went on to become Vertigo, which is OK. Cubicomp is not ok, unless you
want to spend a whole year doing what you could in LW in about an hour.

I assume this is a troll, but I'm probably one of only a small thimble
full of people on this list who were liberated from Cubicomp when LW came
out in late '90. Posts like this make me want to look for my stake and
mallet. Kinda like a post traumatic stress syndrom flashback.

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From: Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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[e-mail] wrote:
:     folks are putting out! I dislike comments that elude that the developers
:     OF LW need to be flogged by the users. They have consistantly delivered
:     ports/improvements an we have no reason to doulbt this activity will
:     continue. If you like the other programs , sell your house and buy them,
:     then go live on their list.

Not flogged, just requested. I'm quite amazed at the useful stuff that gets
put on the back burner because users uninformed about the utility of those
features through lack of experience with any other software don't
understand how much time they save throughout a production with some of
them. Multiple cameras could lead either to improved animation during the
same duration of production or a shorter period of production for
anything that includes multiple camera views.

And the alternative to selling your house is to get a job where you get
to use the best software available. You'll probably make more money too,
Fred's comments notwithstanding.

:    -bill

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From: Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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Gwynne Reddick <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >Which reminds me: is there anything on the PC/NT like the Amiga's old Art
: >Department Pro, with scripting and maybe customization. Premier can do
: >some of that, but ADP was unique for doing complex stuff repetitively.

: Not quite unique, i actually found ImageFX scripts easier to write. I
: haven't come across anything on Wintel yet that has any where near the
: same functionality. I have Winimages, which(if it worked properly) would

: Kermitt(sorry if the spelling's wrong) if you're listening, some of us
: are just about desperate for an ImageFX PC. I know we haven't got AREXX,
: but MSoft are going to be embedding Java into 95 an NT.....

ImageFX wasn't quite up to speed when I stopped doing serious work on the
Amiga. Anyway, on the PC you can get Rexx, which is nearly identical to
Arexx, at least it was available two years ago.

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Any Raptor Owners?
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Are there any Raptor owners who run LW and are having the same problems as me?
I still keep getting crashes with a message to the affect of:

 Exception:Access violation error...and some numbers.

I would love to know if there is a group where the Raptor people go to talk
about their problems and what not? Is this type of error LW related or
hardware related? I have already changed the RAM from logic to parity,
or whatever it's called, and I am STILL having these same types of crashes.
....AAARRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
All I want to do is make 3D animations!

 Could these type of error messages be from the dongle? Newtek doesn't seem to
think so. They blame it on hardware and when I talk to Deskstation, they seem
to think it's ram or software!......SOMEBODY HELP MEEEEE!!!!!!!

.....md

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From: Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
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[e-mail] wrote:
: against Lightwave?  Please tell me what it will take to convince you that LW is
: just as capable as Alias to do feature film work (I know there are quite a few
: things that LW doesn't have, so I'm not asking for a laundry list of pointless
: comparisons).  Would it be enough if it does some major film work?  I have
: already seen people here who think that some of the effects for Space:Above and
: Beyond were done in Alias--people who were saying that Lightwave isn't very
: good--so it's obviously a pretty good program.

It's a pretty good program. It isn't the "best" program, but not every
job requires that. It is not as efficient at a fair number of tasks as
Alias, and when time is short that's important. I'd be willing to bet if
Digital Domain, Imageworks or other major film effects companies dropped
all of their SGIs and bought only LW/NT and a bunch of Alphas, that would
be a sign that LW was ready to take its place alongside the "high end"
programs.

:                       -=Fred=-


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From: [e-mail] (Steve Tack)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Any good explode/shatter/atomize plug-ins?
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I just got LW 4.0 last week (5.0 upgrade is on the way), so I guess that makes
me a LW newbie.  I've dabbled with 3DS R2 and Strata, but LW seems like a
quantum leap ahead of those!  Anyway, does anybody know if there's an
equivalent plug-in (or whatever) to Strata's explode, shatter, and/or atomize
features.  Those are my favorite features of Strata - they're pretty random and
you can control gravity, force of explosion, particle spin, etc.  These effects
seems to be about the only thing I *can't* do with LW.

I downloaded an explode.p plug-in from Tomahawk, but it doesn't seem to do
anything except scale everything up or down.  Not what I was looking for.

Anyway, thanks for any info on this!

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From: [e-mail] (Brad Peebler)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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[e-mail] (Morgan Price) wrote:

>[e-mail] (David Oxley) wrote:

>>I upgraded to LW5.0 last night.  The installation appeared to be
>>successful.  Layout comes up OK (although not all object are shaded when
>>using OpenGL...hmmm), but I can't run Modeler.  It pops up a dialogue box
>>saying:

>>    "Startup Failure 213: Message file missing"

There is now a message file that Layout and Modeler access. If it is
not there, or the wrong version you will get this error. Make sure
your computer is set to United States English. Any other setting can
cause the failure. We are working to get the localized versions out to
all international distributors at which time any country setting
should work.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

BP


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From: [e-mail](Michael C. Ling)
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On May 05, 1996 17:21:38 in article <How to do Crawly Blue Sparks in LW?>,
'[e-mail]' wrote:


>
>OK, I need to do "crawly blue sparks" in LW.  Suggestions?

Crawling how?

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From: [e-mail] (JBooth411)
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In article <4mj5rb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Stranahan) writes:

>
>Hey, I'm now 'classic Stranahan'! How old I feel.....with all the changes
>in LW 5.0, it's probably best to wait for our new tapes. And as great as
>B5 is, a lot of people seem to like the designs for Space : Above And
>Beyond better - if you do, Ken Stranahan's 5.0 tapes will show you how
get
>that sort of look.
>
>

    is that something like clasic coke vs. new coke?



Jason Booth
Second Nature, Inc.
 "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
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You can get a list of the current GLint based boards from
http://www.webmaster.com/3dlabs/boards.html
Plus Computer Discount Warehouse has a special deal on 3Demon cards right
now, somewhere in the $1100 area. 4mb of VRAM and 4mbDRAM with a GLint
chip.
Charles Ernst
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From: Dan Ablan <[e-mail]>
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emmanuel olympia wrote:
>
> I am in the process of buying a pentium 166 mhz workstation for lightwave.
> can you recommend a dealer that is reliable and with reasonable prices. thx.
>
> emmanuel


    MicroTech Solutions in Oakbrook IL.
    They've got some nice systems,
    and great service.

    http://www.mt-inc.com

    DA
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From: [e-mail] (Noam Ben-Ami)
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Dan Ablan <[e-mail]> writes:

>emmanuel olympia wrote:
>>
>> I am in the process of buying a pentium 166 mhz workstation for lightwave.
>> can you recommend a dealer that is reliable and with reasonable prices. thx.
>>
>> emmanuel


>    MicroTech Solutions in Oakbrook IL.
>    They've got some nice systems,
>    and great service.

>    http://www.mt-inc.com

Yuppers, I really liked them too. Call and ask for Randy.

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From: [e-mail]. (Mack)
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In article <4m7opf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>In article <4m706l$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (emmanuel olympia
>) says:
>>
>>
>>If I had/made a blueprint with all three axes, is there a system bywhich
>>you can model your objects? is there a lightwavepro issue that shows how
>>to do this? thx for your info.
>>
>>Emmanuel
>
>I haven't seen anything myself, but I have pondered the question before.
>A blueprint should be one of the easier things to model from since
>you have all the dimensions before you. If you can scan your
>print, it might be interesting to load it into modeler, (if it's not too
>complex) as a background image. From there you could visually compare
>your object with the print as you work on top of it. I don't think
>this would be a very effecient way of modeling, but it might provide
>a good reference point beyond just using your trusty measuring stick.
>
>There are also programs out there that claim to make 3D models from
>2D pictures. Visual Software has one called Wireframe Express
>(1-800-881-4108) and there's a program called Photo Modeler that is
>supposed to do the same. I believe you can download a demo from
>http://www.wimsey.com/photomodeler/  .I haven't tried either of these
>programs and I'm not sure how compatible they are with Lightwave, but you
>might want to check them out.
>

find a freind who has a recent copy of acad to do up the plans with true
demesions and scale and then pump it out as a dxf ot 3ds file. any arch or
mech work i do comes from thiese types of files.


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Field Rendering Post-Processed?  How does it compare to having LW do it?

Thanks

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[e-mail] (David Oxley) wrote:

>I upgraded to LW5.0 last night.  The installation appeared to be
>successful.  Layout comes up OK (although not all object are shaded when
>using OpenGL...hmmm), but I can't run Modeler.  It pops up a dialogue box
>saying:

>    "Startup Failure 213: Message file missing"

>I've searched through the CD for a message file, but I don't really know
>what I'm looking for.  I thought it might be connected with the dongle,
>but Layout runs OK, and 4.0 never had any problems.  I reinstalled the
>Sentinel driver just in case, but it made no difference.

>I would appreciate any help to sort out this problem.

>My system: P100/64MB/2MB Millenium/1GB HD/4xCD/WinNT 3.51

>Best regards,

>--
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>|<[e-mail]> |London NW1 2PL England|[phone](fax)|
>`----------------------^----------------------^--------------------'
>All opinions expressed are mine, not Logica's. (this space for rent)

I have the same problem, running LW 5.0 in a P90, 32Mb Ram, 1.2 Gb HD,
2 Mb Number Nine 771.

have you found a solution?



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From: Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
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I'm sorry, but while there are jobs that people use Alias for when
Lightwave would be adaquate, LW would not be economical for jobs where
Alias IK and effects tools are superior and easier to access.

In addition, I've seen few LW jobs where there are hundreds of objects,
and NURBS in the animation interface use up alot less memory than
polygons with the same amount of curvature. And if price was always
the object, ILM would be out of business, since they are the most
expensive effects company *in* the business.

Also, if you know any LW artists who do excellent character animation,
I want to see their reel. Email me for the address to send it to. So
far I've been painfully disappointed.

Stranahan <[e-mail]> wrote:
: --------------
: It is not fair to compare those packages. They are designed for two very
: different markets and budgets. It is futile to compare oranges and
: apples...
: ------------

: I'm sorry, but I think it's very fair - the Industry works on a budget,
: period. LightWave and other reasonably priced tools offer more bang for
: the buck, period. You can simply do more, cheaper. If anyone doubts this,
: put out a bid to a Alias company and a LightWave company. I know which one
: can give you more for your money. I know that the right LightWave artist,
: and there are a few of them, can deliver anything - and I mean ANYTHING -
: the Alias artist can, on an equivilent budget. You don't think so? You
: don't know the right artists....


: _____________________________________________
: Lee Stranahan

: "I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
: for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
: Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm

: Lee's Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm

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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (MicroTech) writes:
> On 03-May-96 14:21:39, Johan Otterstrom ([e-mail]) posted:
>
> > (snip)  CybergraphX is the defacto RTG
> > standard for the Amiga, supporting 8 differnt graphicsboards already
> > including Altais on the DraCo.
>
> CybergraphX is not any kind of standard at all. There just plain aren't any
> 'standards' outside of the Amiga native chipset. CybergraphX is probably
> the most popular of the third-party graphics card drivers for the Amiga. I
> use it myself, and like it a lot. But to call it a 'standard' is just not
> accurate.

I would, most of the professional products out there support it.

ImageFX, Photogenics, Pagestream 3...

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>David Hopkins wrote:
>>
>> Just a note to all of you looking for LightWave tutorials, tips, and other
>> info.  The Lighthouse Imaging web site now features a few installments of my
>> Video Toaster User column Taming The Wave.  I'll be adding more installments
>> (as well as a few unpublished) as time permits.
>
>        Dave,
>
>        you're so cool.
>
>        Wow.
>
>        ;)
>
>        DA
>

We all do what we can, Dan.  Say, is that book done yet?  ;-)

-David



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From: [e-mail] (Dave Paige)
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Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:

>ImageFX wasn't quite up to speed when I stopped doing serious work on the
>Amiga. Anyway, on the PC you can get Rexx, which is nearly identical to
>Arexx, at least it was available two years ago.

For what operating system?

Dave Paige
Alfheim Imaging
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Paige)
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John McPherson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Does anyone have any extra copies of LW4.0 they are looking to sell?

New $750

Call me at 301-942-6800.

Dave Paige
Alfheim Imaging
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>I will personally hunt down and kill any moron who takes this post
seriously.
>
>
>--
>Noam Ben-Ami is [e-mail] Solar Acoustics High Performance

thanks I appreciate it.
Now could you hunt down and kill everyone who takes anything too seriously?

praise Bob!

steve


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From: Lyle Milton <[e-mail]>
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Hello, all:})

I just though I'd follow-up on my suggestion to dual-post tip and tricks
that get lost in the LW vs. whatever threads.

The following is NOT meant to be a comparison between LW and any other 3D
package.  If you don't like the tip don't use it, there are other LW users
who may benefit from all or part of it.

By convention I will start the subject with "LW Tip:..."  You are
welcome to use it.

It's slightly modified but here it goes:

----snip----

You should always think like an
editor/director when composing segments.

To back-up this notion, you could compose the motions of your objects and
then set-up the first camera shot/motion path.  Next you would save the
camera's motion path and copy it to a null object.  You would then set the
camera motion for the next shot and then copy that motion to null object
#2.  Repeat the process until you have a null object for each camera
movement.

One you have your "null cameras" set you can tweek the animation; you can
check the action from the different shots by parenting the camera to each
null camera and creating a preview anim for each.  Again, before you
render just parent the camera to a null camera to get a particular shot.

I tend to rename my null cameras with the beggining and ending frame
numbers e.g. "Frames_210-457" so I never forget which frames to render.
It's definately not automatic but it allows me to manage my shots by
keeping them all with the associated scene.

You could create your null cameras (i.e. create multiple null objects) in
your scene before loading any objects so you don't have too far to scroll
in the object list.  A camera template scene would be more efficient.

----------------------------------------------------------

Hopes someone gets usage out of this...just trying to do my part to
support the group.

I'm out:})

-Lyle Milton
-One And Only Media




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I should probably interject before this thread gets out of hand.

We certainly never intended the Impact manual to be this late.  But,
already plagued by a late release one year ago, we elected to ship Impact
with a "Preliminary User's Guide" which was meant to be temporary.  With
the limited plugin market staring us in the face, we were forced to port
Impact to other platforms and look into additional products to help
support the company.  Particle Storm has taken all of our efforts to make
it as good as it is.  It will ship a complete product, including a full
printed manual with tutorials.  Ironically, the Impact manual will be sent
to all registered users shortly following Particle Storm.

Particle Storm is now scheduled for May 15.  We were slightly delayed by
NAB, but we will be going to duplication this week and should have the
first run back one week later.

I hope this clears things up a little.  I apologize for any delays.

Andy
Dynamic Realities
http://members.aol.com/dynreal

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From: [e-mail] (InstntGuts)
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<This depends entirely on what you consider "good". I used to think that
instant mashed potatoes were good. People who haven't had extensive
experience with Alias, for example, still think 3D Studio is "good"...but
it aint!...>

...in your opinion. Your first statement should answer your last
statement. I have worked with Alias, Softimage, 3D Studio/DOS and 3D
Studio MAX, and I can get professional results out of all 4 of these
programs -- in my opinion.

My original statement still stands -- if a person cannot get high-quality
renderings out of any of these above packages, then he or she simply
doesn't know how to use the package properly.

-- Jon

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From: [e-mail] (MicroTech)
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On 05-May-96 16:02:33, Stranahan ([e-mail]) posted:

> Wait, wait, wait - there isn't long to wait and you'll save money....

> _____________________________________________
> Lee Stranahan


The wait's over - Lightwave 5.0 is at the dealers now.

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From: [e-mail] (MicroTech)
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On 05-May-96 18:47:39, Johan Steen ([e-mail]) posted:

> I just placed my order for LW 4 on Amiga and was wondering if the Amiga
> version as well uses a dongle in the parallell port?

> Just so I know if I should start looking for extra parallell ports or
> not.

The Amiga Standalone (no Toaster) version does.

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On 05-May-96 16:41:28, Matt Bauer ([e-mail]) posted:

> I just did an animation with a sequence of tga's being rotoscoped on
> an array of boxes. I rendered it through screamernet on two machines.
> A P150 and a 486. The animation looked very jerky, as if frames were
> being dropped. I went in and looked at each individual frame and found
> that the sequence was not being mapped in order. It would jump back a
> few frames every so often. I deleted all the frames and started over
> using just the pentium for rendering and this fixed the problem. I was
> using the 486 as job1. Could this have anything to do with it? Any
> clues? Thanks for any ideas.

Screamernet will not have the machines render in perfect sequential order.
This is because even if you had identical machines, they would STILL not be
in perfect 'sync' with each other. When you have different machines with
widely varying performance characteristics, you'll end up with your P150
doing frame 1 and the 486 doing frame 2, then the P150 will do
frames 3-8, the 486 frame 9, etc. If you're recording to a DDR like PVR,
the order in which the frames are saved is the order in which they'll be
recorded. So in this scenario, the frames recorded would be
1,3,4,5,6,7,8,2,9,11,10,12,13,14, etc.

If you have a PVR, you will have to save frames to a system drive and
import them later, after they are all rendered. This isn't a problem with
the PVR, it's just the nature of things. DDR's are dumb beasts that merely
pack the frames that are sent to them, in the order in which they are
received. If your 'render farm' sends them out of order, they will get
recorded out of order. And you don't want the render farm to wait on a
slower machine, because then you would have one or more machines sitting
idle just waiting for a slower machine to finish it's frame, so they could
all start on the next in the sequence. This would have the effect of
slowing down your faster machine(s) to match the speed of your slowest
machine.

You don't mention how you are recording or building your animation, so this
explanation might not apply to your case.

Regards,
John Crookshank
MicroTech

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>P.S. The only thing that I can figure, is that the dongle people MUST be
a
>bunch of liberals, or something. Why else would they want to cram
something
>down everyone else's throught, JUST because THEY think it's RIGHT ?

Whew, that's the type of intelligent discourse *I* read the newsgroup for.
 I'd bother to continue the dongle thread, but there's no arguing with
fanatics, on either side.
--Brian

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From: [e-mail] (steve)
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>I dunno.  I have a list a mile long of things I would like to see in the
next
>version of LW, and multiple cameras is towards the bottom.
>

But consider its probably the easiest to implement.

I would firstly like to see a completely reworked GUI for keyframing one more
like AfterEffects Timeline or Max's Trackview.  I don't think this would be
an either/or situation.  You not going to here Newtek say "we were going to
completely redo the GUI for keframing but we decided to implement multiple
cameras instead."

s


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James L. Arthurs/Image Shoppe wrote:
>
> To: [e-mail]
>
> N >
> N >Yes, you can capture video and audio from within Premiere. It also has
> N >full support for batch capture, timecode, and EDLs.
>
>     Really?  Batch capture and machine control with PC Premiere and PVR?
>
>     Are you sure?

Yes. Premiere has FULL support for batch capture and machine control. So
does the PVR software that comes with the board. You'll have to use this
software to actually do the capturing because PVR won't capture .AVI
files. But then you can import into a Premiere project and create an
EDL. Between PVR and Premiere, you can do online and offline editing.

Nate

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From: [e-mail] (Stuart Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Error 213 starting Modeler 5.0
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+-- [e-mail] (David Oxley) writes:
| I upgraded to LW5.0 last night.  The installation appeared to be
| successful.  Layout comes up OK (although not all object are shaded when
| using OpenGL...hmmm), but I can't run Modeler.  It pops up a dialogue box
| saying:
|     "Startup Failure 213: Message file missing"

One of the less discussed features of 5.0 is some support for
international users.  Error and help messages are stored in a file
which is translated to the user's local language.  There are a few
problems with this, however.

First of all, not all the translations are available yet.  We've
sent the message text to our international distributers, but only
the ones in Japan have sent us anything back.  All supported
languages will be translated eventaully and we'll make them
available on ftp and bbs sites when they are.

Secondly, when Layout and Modeler try to get a message file for
the local language and find that there isn't one, they default to
the US English messages.  Or at least they are supposed to.  Modeler,
it seems, is not finding the US English messages the way it should
and exits with the error above.  The folks in Japan found the problem
about a day before we shipped 5.0.  I've fixed the problem (mea
culpa), but a bit too late.

5.0 rev B will have this problem fixed, which only affects
international users.  Until you can get a patch, you have several
solutions.  The short-term solution is to set your system to US
English.  A medium-term solution will be to get "translation" files
from NewTek for your local language.  While they will have the
correct language code to fool Modeler, the text will be English.
The long-term solution will be to get the rev B patch, and the
ultimate solution will be to get correct translations.  You may
get these faster by pestering your local distributer.

Sorry for the inconvenience.  Hopefully we can get this fixed up
quickly so as not to cause you too much trouble.
--
    Stuart Ferguson        ([e-mail])
        "How do you compute that?  Where on the
         graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?"

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Subject: Re: shutting down Modeler from within Layout
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+-- [e-mail] (Steve Koren) writes:
| I'm sure this is in the manual somewhere, but I just discovered it by
| accident the other day.
|
| If you have started Modeler from the button inside Layout, you can shut
| it back down again by shift-clicking the Modeler button (in the upper
| right).  Just clicking it again won't do, because it blips you over to
| Modeler again.

This is consistent with the "E" and "T" buttons in Layout.  You
can remove an envelope or texture by shift-clicking the "E" or "T"
buttons without having to enter the panel.
--
    Stuart Ferguson        ([e-mail])
        "How do you compute that?  Where on the
         graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?"

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From: [e-mail] (steve)
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Subject: LW is an Island
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>Not flogged, just requested. I'm quite amazed at the useful stuff that gets
>put on the back burner because users uninformed about the utility of those
>features through lack of experience with any other software don't
>understand how much time they save throughout a production with some of
>them. Multiple cameras could lead either to improved animation during the
>same duration of production or a shorter period of production for
>anything that includes multiple camera views.

Amen.

I get the impression that LW is sort of an island.  I would like to see
NewTek take the best of other apps and implement/improve/evolve/sythesize
what they can (in addition to doing their own unique thing of course).  After
working for awhile with AfterEffects I can see how I as developer would take
a good look at their Timeline - one of the best ways for keyframing/f-cruve
editing I have seen- and adapt it for 3D. But its seems to be another world
here.  When you point out how cool another app is for having a certain
feature LWers start getting defensive.  If I said I liked Max because of
TrackView, you are more likely to hear someone respond by saying "well Max's
renderer sucks" than saying "hmm yeah some good ideas lets take its good
points and make it better".

This is just a generalized observation, don't take it personally.


steve


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+-- [e-mail] writes:
| > [e-mail] (David Oxley) wrote:
| > >I upgraded to LW5.0 last night.  The installation appeared to be
| > >successful.  Layout comes up OK (although not all object are shaded when
| > >using OpenGL...hmmm), but I can't run Modeler.  It pops up a dialogue box
| > >saying:
| >
| > >    "Startup Failure 213: Message file missing"
|
| Here's what you need to do:
|
| Find these files and put them in your working directory (which is whatever
| directory your LW configs are).
| Mod_err.enu
| Mod_err.im

This is incorrect.  The only file needed is MOD_ERR.ENU, which is the
US English error messages, and it should be placed in the PROGRAM
directory.  That is, it should be in the same directory as the EXE file
for Modeler.  As I noted in another message, you should also set your
localization to US English.  This is a temporary work-around, but it
will let you run until we can get you better solutions.
--
    Stuart Ferguson        ([e-mail])
        "How do you compute that?  Where on the
         graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?"

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The final frames were being stored on a shared drive, which would
later be dumped to a PVR. It looks as if the rotoscoped images were
not being used in the right order. The object which was being mapped,
had the correct motion, with no jumps. The jumps were only in the
sequence of tga's. I believe SN assigns image #x to frame #x unless
told otherwise. Even though the P150 was ahead, it would seem that it
would use the related image file for any particular frame. The only
relation I see is this. The ending sequence never jumped ahead in the
frames that I saw. It was always around three or four  frames back.
The 486 was about 3 times slower. I have no ideas. Maybe it was just a
bad day. I'm going to try it again with the P150 as Job1 and see what
happens. Thanks for the reply.

Matt Bauer
[e-mail]

>On 05-May-96 16:41:28, Matt Bauer ([e-mail]) posted:

>> I just did an animation with a sequence of tga's being rotoscoped on
>> an array of boxes. I rendered it through screamernet on two machines.
>> A P150 and a 486. The animation looked very jerky, as if frames were
>> being dropped. I went in and looked at each individual frame and found
>> that the sequence was not being mapped in order. It would jump back a
>> few frames every so often. I deleted all the frames and started over
>> using just the pentium for rendering and this fixed the problem. I was
>> using the 486 as job1. Could this have anything to do with it? Any
>> clues? Thanks for any ideas.

>Screamernet will not have the machines render in perfect sequential order.
>This is because even if you had identical machines, they would STILL not be
>in perfect 'sync' with each other. When you have different machines with
>widely varying performance characteristics, you'll end up with your P150
>doing frame 1 and the 486 doing frame 2, then the P150 will do
>frames 3-8, the 486 frame 9, etc. If you're recording to a DDR like PVR,
>the order in which the frames are saved is the order in which they'll be
>recorded. So in this scenario, the frames recorded would be
>1,3,4,5,6,7,8,2,9,11,10,12,13,14, etc.



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From: Bryant Reif <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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steve wrote:
>
> >I dunno.  I have a list a mile long of things I would like to see in the
> next
> >version of LW, and multiple cameras is towards the bottom.
> >
>
> But consider its probably the easiest to implement.
>
> I would firstly like to see a completely reworked GUI for keyframing one more
> like AfterEffects Timeline or Max's Trackview.  I don't think this would be
> an either/or situation.  You not going to here Newtek say "we were going to
> completely redo the GUI for keframing but we decided to implement multiple
> cameras instead."
>
> s

Yes but with a finite amount of time and resources they simply might not have time to
implement them into the next release.  It would be great if programmers could sit around
and put *everything* into their program at once, but they don't have that luxury.  They
have deadlines and an "either-or" situation can easily arise.

I would like to see independant channels, improved spline interface, and UV coord
controls in the next release.  If they put all these things into the next release and
didn't have time for multiple cameras, I would still be very happy.  If they included all
these things and multiple cameras, I would be even happier.
--

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See? Now isn't long...


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If I understand the problem correctly, more keyframes is the wrong
solution - the better one is to parent the camera to a null, move the
camera a distance away from the null, and then rotate the null.....


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InstntGuts <[e-mail]> wrote:
: experience with Alias, for example, still think 3D Studio is "good"...but
: it aint!...>

: ...in your opinion. Your first statement should answer your last
: statement. I have worked with Alias, Softimage, 3D Studio/DOS and 3D
: Studio MAX, and I can get professional results out of all 4 of these
: programs -- in my opinion.

: My original statement still stands -- if a person cannot get high-quality
: renderings out of any of these above packages, then he or she simply
: doesn't know how to use the package properly.

"High-quality renderings" doesn't equal high quality character animation,
or high quality seamless integration of photo realistic objects
in live action plates, etc. Certainly you can get high quality
renderings, but what exactly are the limitations that separate
PC programs from SGI programs?

: -- Jon

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Fletcher)
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In article <4mjvn3$[e-mail]>,
Daniel J. McCoy <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Commercially, there's a package meant for logo work (Logo Wizard?) that has an
>explode feature that might work out better.  This should be available for at
>least Intel.  The Amiga has had a set of macros (Power Macros) that would also
>help out if you had an Amiga.  Anyone hear of a PC/Alpha port from them?
>
Yes. Look for an announcement "soon".


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Lightning Strikes LightWave3D

            VertiLectric: special effects plug-in is now shipping.

For Immediate Release
Monday, April 22, 1996
Contact:        Bryan J. Blevins
Blevins Enterprises, Inc.
[phone], [phone]

        Blevins Enterprises, Inc. (BEI) announced the release of VertiLectric, an electrical
effects plug-in accessory for NewTek's Emmy award winning animation package, LightWave 3D.

        VertiLectric creates electrical and other special effects that may be easily animated and
incorporated in computer generated animations for television, film, game and virtual
reality productions.  LightWave animators can generate lightning bolts, electrical arcs and
even laser beams by simply attaching source and target points to animated objects in
LightWave 3D.

        VertiLectric is a plug-in for both the Modeler and Layout modules of LightWave 4.0 & 5.0.
In the Modeler portion, lightning bolts can be created in any shape and made to follow any
path.  Electric scripting of text is a snap and adds 'energy' to titles and flying logos.
Control of shape, jaggedness, branching, and surfacing is all open to the artist.

        Released at the National Association of Broadcasters convention, VertiLectric has found a
home at some of the biggest special effects and game companies such as Westwood Studios
where Felix Kupis calls VertiLectric: "Such a killer app!"

        At the heart of VertiLectric is an organic branching algorithm.  Originally designed for
constructing lightning bolts, it has found uses in other areas as well.  "We are constantly
amazed with the creative ways people are using VertiLectric.  From the electric arcs and
lasers we intended, to trees, vines, and other foliage," states David Blevins, BEI
president and creator of VertiLectric.  Mr. Blevins continues, "One of our customers, Glen
D. Miller of Digital Domain, used VertiLectric to construct the jagged sutures for a human
skull he modeled."  Everett Burrell, 3D supervisor for Hercules: the Legendary Journeys and
Xena: Warrior Princess says of VertiLectric: "VertiLectric can be used for more than just
electricity.  It's great for making all sorts of organic STUFF!"

        At $99.95, VertiLectric is priced low enough for the hobbyist as well as the
professional, and can pay for itself with one project.  VertiLectric is currently available
for Intel and DEC Alpha systems with LightWave3D.  For availability on other platforms,
please call BEI.

        Established in 1993, Blevins Enterprises, Inc. specializes in 3D computer graphics
products and services.


Here are a few of the features available in VertiLectric 1.0:

Layout Plug-in.

Strike objects as they move through a scene.
Multiple sources and targets.
  You can have up to 1000 sources and up to 2000 targets
Individual bolt settings for each target in the scene let you specify:
  Apply any LW surface to lighting bolts.
  Range (How close a target must be to the source to get a strike.)
  Twist (How 'jagged' the bolt is.)
  Segment length (Level of bolt detail.)
  Branches (How many branches are in the bolt.)
  Shape and Branch seeds (Make each bolt look unique)
  Strike sequence (List of when a bolt strikes.  Edit it yourself, or let VertiLectric do
it for you.)
  Save a strike sequence as an envelope (Sync light flashes to bolt strikes)
  Settings may be easily copy and pasted to other target in the scene.
Randomize feature for Strike Sequence, Shape and Branch seeds make your scenes look
natural.
ScreamerNET II compatible.


Modeler Plug-in

Extrude-o-bolts:  Create bolts with any thickness.
  Taper bolts from one thickness to another.  (Makes great trees, vines and other plants.)
Complete control over bolt creation to ensure "morphable bolts"
Generate text written in lightning script.
Make "curve" bolts for custom rail extrusions.
Custom seed settings control bolt shape and branching.
Create bolts with as many branches as you want.

A working demo of Modeler portion of VertiLectric is available via our web site at:
   http://bei.moscow.com

BLEVINS ENTERPRISES, INC.
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From: [e-mail] (Noam Ben-Ami)
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[e-mail] (InstntGuts) writes:

><This depends entirely on what you consider "good". I used to think that
>instant mashed potatoes were good. People who haven't had extensive
>experience with Alias, for example, still think 3D Studio is "good"...but
>it aint!...>

>...in your opinion. Your first statement should answer your last
>statement. I have worked with Alias, Softimage, 3D Studio/DOS and 3D
>Studio MAX, and I can get professional results out of all 4 of these
>programs -- in my opinion.

>My original statement still stands -- if a person cannot get high-quality
>renderings out of any of these above packages, then he or she simply
>doesn't know how to use the package properly.

I'll up the stakes: I can create extremely high quality animations and
effects equaling or surpassing anything 3DStudio can do and many of the
things MAX can do on a $200 package called Imagine 4.0...and I can do
it in as much or less time.

Alias and Softimage? Well, thats a completely different league.

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From: [e-mail] (The Glory Boys)
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Subject: Re: Camera-Help
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>What you are trying to say (or draw ;) is that I must set
>more keyframes as the camera rotates the object?

Yes, the keyframes are needed to keep the camera equidistant from the object.

If all you had were KF1 and KF5, you would get a streight line. If you added KF3,
your camera would go out to KF3, change direction and go to KF5. When you
include KF2 and KF4, you can get a nice rounded path. This is just a little test,
but the concept will work in more complicated examples.

Using just the right number of keyframs, not to many, not to few is the best way
for your animns to look smooth.

Scott a GBI


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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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Subject: Re: LW 5.0 Pricing
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In article <4mgjhs$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Stranahan) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
>Subject: LW 5.0 Pricing
>Date: 4 May 1996 17:51:56 -0400

>Safe Harbor's posted prices of

>>LightWave 5.0 Intel                     $1179.00
>>LightWave Upgrade 4.0 To 5.0 Intel      $ 479.00

>This points up the problem with some people's reasoning on the pricing for
>the upgrade. They reasoned that because the price of 5.0 had been raised
>$495 and the price of the upgrade was $495, it was pretty much even. This
>doesn't take into account discounting. Unless you paid less than $700 for
>LW4.0, you end up paying more than those new to the market with 5.0.

>This is not to say that this is the worst thing in the world. Obviously,
>if you bought 4.0 you've had use of the product, and that's worth
>something. But NewTek is charging as much as they can, and so it's not a
>great deal either. The thing you can't say is that 'NewTek always takes of
>it's user base.' That's clearly a secondary consideration at this point.


>_____________________________________________
>Lee Stranahan

We paid $800 for non-upgrade versions of LW 4.0 and have ordered upgrades at
about $450.  I guess that means we are around $75-100 in behind, but then we
have had a lot of use of 4.0.

The one thing that really points out that Newtek doesn't seem too concerned
about taking care of its user base is that the full version is being made
available weeks sooner than the upgrade packages.  Gosh - who do they
think will be helping their grassroots marketing?  Well not me.  I
don't have anything to say about 5.0 cuz I don't have it yet.  It
isn't really a huge deal, but remember back in August/September when new
orders (new cash flow) were shipping sooner than pre-release upgrades (no
cash flow)?  (Note: NewTek denied this, but there was far too much evidence to
the contrary IMO).  I suppose NT can get away with this because their product
represents such a good value.  It just might backfire at some point in the
future.  Or has it already?


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Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Lyle Milton <[e-mail]> wrote:
--snip--
>: Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you shouldn't request features that
>: you've seen in other programs; I don't think it's realistic to expect those
>: features to appear right away.  In the mean time use a workaround or use
>: something else.
>
>Well SI has had the best IK since 1991 or '92. It's taken an awful damn long
>time for this to appear in LW, and it isn't anywhere near as flexible as SI.
>And SI isn't anywhere near as flexible as Alias. So obviously if you don't
>push very hard for a feature, it could take years to see it.

If every other program had exactly the same features as every other program then
there would be just one program choice; I believe that diversity in software is a
good thing.

Also, I still fail to understand how you can compare these programs.  I mean in
terms of price these programs are miles apart.  How about compairing Alias Sketch
rather than Alias7 to LightWave; it's closer in price range isn't it?  (I could be
wrong, it's been years since I used it)  Let's be fair...let's compare programs that
are in comparable price ranges.  I mean after all, when someone says they have a
budget of $1500.00 for a 3D program but they want IK features like Alias they aren't
being very realistic are they?

--snip--
>: Just because someone wants a feature doesn't mean that it's missing.  It only
>: becomes missing when every other competing piece of software has that feature.
>: Is raydiosity missing from Alias?  Isn't modeling in Alias, animating in
>: SoftImage, and rendering with Renderman a workaround?  Does it mean that people
>: that use this workaround are squandering valuable production time?  I don't think
>: it's for me to say.  The people that use this workaround think it's worth the
>: effort.  They may also have the budget to support it.
>
>Actually, I do think it squanders enormous production resources.

This is the same type of thinking that can kill innovation.  Work-a-rounds, or
experimentation to be exact, has brought us everything that we've come to take for
granted in our everyday lives (like 3D programs for example:}).  After all,
"necessity is the mother of invention"!

>: The bottom line is this: if the tools that you are using a becoming a hinderance
>: you are using the wrong tools.
>
>I'm not the one who thinks production houses are deep-pockets morons who just
>don't understand that LW does everything Alias does.
>

..?....?...  Who does?

>: BTW, the fact that LightWave Modeler couldn't do some of the things that I needed
>: didn't make me think less of it.  I didn't view these things as missing because
>: these features didn't exist anywhere.  The end result is that if forced me create
>: tools that not only helped me but benefited the LightWave community. It propelled
>: me to write MacroForm.  MacroForm and plug-ins in gereral can be viewed as
>: workarounds.
>
---snip---
>
>And I would consider plug-in features part of the program, even though they
>are optional, and the way that Max handles plug-ins, they are seamlessly
>integrated into the program so you don't know what's Max and what's plug-in.
>When LW does this, and plug-ins become available with mult cameras that
>show up in the animation files, and they are simple, and non-time-consuming
>to use, then the argument moves to higher ground.
>

I am a little confused with the term "seamless".  I've heard it mensioned quite a
few times in this group and I must admit to being a little lost on this one. When
our users access MacroForm's features they do it through the function keys.  A
requester comes up, they make some choices, the software does it's thing.  Sometimes
they will be entered into what we call Apply mode that allows them to do interactive
edits on their models with curves without using requesters.  So far no one has
mentioned that this feels disjointed.  Actually most have said that MacroForm
integrates so well that Modeler feels like a whole new program.

Is this not seamless?  This is not rhetorical, I'm asking you because if this
"seamless" thing is a must-have feature, then we will see what we can do to mimick
it. (I smell a work-a-round!:})

-Lyle Milton
-One And Only Media


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In article <4me3g8$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Matt Bauer) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Matt Bauer)
>Subject: Can directories have spaces in their names?
>Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 01:03:05 GMT

>I have just figured out a problem, I hope, with SN. It seems that SN
>will only render my scenes which are stored in a directory with names
>that don't have any spaces. Here's what I found.

>Made a scene.
>Stored it in \newtek\scenes\!Work\Logo with Volumetric Shadow.lws

>I started up SN and selected the scene. It started rendering single
>passes on a 640x480 scene. I had my scene set to 720x480, with Medium
>AntiAliasing, so I new it was going way to fast. I stopped the
>rendering and then restarted it. As soon as I hit Screamer Render, I
>jumped to the screamernet session running in a dos window. At the top
>of the list was an error claiming that the scene "\scenes\!Work\logo "
>could not be loaded. I went back and saved the scene in a directory
>called "\newtek\scenes\!work\Logo\logo with volumetric shadow.lws".
>Loaded it into SN and everything went fine.

>Is this right? It seems to me that my directory name would be able to
>have spaces. I found this out after days of frustration and calls to
>tech support. Did I miss something skimming through the LW manual? Am
>I the only one with this stupid problem? Do you guy's think I'm as
>crazy as the tech support did? Oh well, maybe I am.
>Thanks for any support you guy's have. Later.

>Matt Bauer
>[e-mail]

That is my experience also.  I did not do tests to confirm tho.  I just
stopped using spaces.  Also, I am pretty sure the same problem occurs with
filenames as well as pathnames.  Furthermore, Screamernet II (on 4.0) will not
accept as long a pathname as Layout will.  So keep your directory paths short
if you use Screamernet.




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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: question on LW manuals
Date: 6 May 1996 15:31:01 -0700
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Tony Lisanti) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Tony Lisanti)
>Subject: question on LW manuals
>Date: 3 May 1996 22:55:13 GMT




> I find the manuals in lightwave Could have been done differently. Thy describe
>each tool, option so on and tell you what effect it has. Then at the end of the
>book, it shows you tutorals. What I think they should have done was : Describe
>options,give example, do short tutoral. This would make it easier for poeple
>that are beginners.

> Anyone wish to comment?

Sure, I'll bite.

I think the 4.0 manuals are quite good.  Well designed tutorials will show how
to use many more than one feature and so would be out of place after each
description. I think the manuals are very complete, however, more examples
and more tutorial could be helpful.

I strongly suggest subscribing to LWPro, getting some tapes, and getting the
LWPro compilation issue.  With a program as complex as LW (or any other 3D
package) I think that 3rd party instruction is almost mandatory.  We have 3rd
party Corel and Photoshop books as well.  A different perspective can be very
helpful.  I think it is asking too much of a manual to expect it to be a
complete course in how to use the tool effectively.  It should, however, have
complete feature documentation.





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From: Doug Cooper <[e-mail]>
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Subject: LW 5.0 multi-threaded?
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I've seen some discussion about using multiple processor systems for LW
5.0 on NT, but is it  multi-threaded?  Will it take advantage of
multiple processors effectively, or do you just get to render in the
background while still working?


--
"Coop" - Doug Cooper - Animation Technology, DreamWorks/SKG
===========================================================
 "The Smaller the World gets, the Bigger we have to Think"

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Scripting In Layout (BML) ?
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In article <318a6955.16264767@news> (gw%njenkins€RJ3M-26YPLZ9L-BFFD44DT-1EA6CC82) writes:
>From: (gw%njenkins€RJ3M-26YPLZ9L-BFFD44DT-1EA6CC82)
>Subject: Scripting In Layout (BML) ?
>Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 20:22:28 GMT

>I need to a way to do a batch render on LW with a PC or Alpha.

>essentially, I want to load up a certain scenefile, render the frames,
>then change the resolution and render the frames again, change the
>resolution and render them again, etc... then It will load up a second
>scenefile and repeat the procedure.   Will  BML do this?
>Or does anyone know of anything else that will do it?
>I might be able to get the programmers on my team to make me a plugin,
>but does anyone have the experienc witrh this kind of thing to give me
>some advice?
>Does anyone have any info on getting BML for layout?  (or BLL)

>thanks in advance

>Sergio Rosas
>Animator
>Origin Systems

BML for Layout is in Beta.  If you didn't get the Beta copy I think you will
have to wait - unless some spots opened up.  I just re-read the documentation
and I don't think BML for Layout is oriented toward this, but you may be able
to do it because I'm pretty sure that BML can read and write ASCII files and
that is all that is needed to run ScreamerNet II.

A no cost workaround would be to save each scene sith a different resolution
setting.  Then load 'em up in the Screamernet panel and render using
Screamernet.  This shouldn't be too cumbersome and its free.




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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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In article <[e-mail]> Andrew Hofman <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: Andrew Hofman <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: Buyer Beware or How to save $150
>Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 11:35:03 -0400

>>     Never, ever order anything from antigravity - they never get your
>> order right, always over charge, and generaly will lie to you to get your
>> business. No, I don't sell computer equiptment, I just buy it (from
>> anywhere BUT antigravity..).

>I ordered an external DAT drive from them. It arrived with no documentation, so I couldn't
>determine if its jumpers were set properly or not, or even if I needed external
>termination. I called Antigravity about this, but they shrugged their shoulders and said
>they couldn't tell me anything. If it didn't come with docs, I was on my own.
>Nevertheless, I badly needed to back up a dying hard drive and hooked the DAT up.
>Everything seemed to go okay until I tried restoring some of the files a week later --
>they were full of errors. This was before I knew about doing a direct compare verify,
>which would have spotted the errors immediately. Too late. By that point the hard drive
>was long dead and my only backup was full of corrupt files. After another week of
>long-distance calls to nearly every Sony division in the country ("Yes maa'm, that D-A-T.
>No, it's not like a camcorder. Yes, it really says 'Sony' on it.") and a huge phone bill,
>I found one lil' old person in the entire US who could answer my questions. She was very
>knowledgeable and faxed me almost a whole damn manual, but sheesh, what a nightmare
>getting to that point!


>--
>Andrew Hofman
>LumaQuest Productions
>[e-mail]
>513-643-7333

I didn't mean to start an Anti-Gravity compaint fest.  We have had mixed
results from them.  We also bought a Sony DAT from them.  It was an excellent
price and it come with documention.  It is an OEM device from HiLite actually.
 We had problems getting it work with our Amiga.  Anti-Gravity was no help,
but HiLite sent us a replacement.  It turned out to be a problem with the
Amiga's Trumpcard SCSI board.  A GVP board fixed it.

We did get an External Syquest from them that had the Syquest in the external
case but not mounted.  That sucked.  But we have also had good service from
them at times.

Anti-Gravity isn't our vendor of choice, but we would buy from them again in
the right situation.  I would just document the transaction well and if it is
delayed start looking for your product elsewhere (should do that first, but
you can continue and see if someone else gets it in stock).  If Anti-Gravity
doesn't perform as promised feel free to cancel the order if needed.  We have
never lost money dealing with Anti-Gravity and I don't consider that someone
works out of a house etc. to necessarily be a negative.  The best yo-yos in
the world are distrubuted that way.  :^)


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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Baker)
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On Fri  3-May-1996 14:56 , Johan Otterstrom wrote:

JO> >A patch was also recently posted which updates the Modeler.FP file in
JO> Amiga
JO> >LightWave Standalone, CD-ROM version.  The filename is AMIMOD4.LHA, and
JO> is
JO> >also at the above locations; the path at the ftp site is
JO> >Upgrades/LightWaveAmiga.  The most visible bug this patch fixes is the
JO> >inability to use the "Configure Keys" panel, and retain key setups.

JO> I sure couldn't find it!! Path is LightWave/Upgrades/Amiga NADA.... Can
JO> you
JO> mail it to me?

Connect to ftp.newtek.com, change directory to Upgrades, change directory to
LightWaveAmiga (all one word), and you will find the file amimod4.lha.


JO> What about full CybergraphX support in LW 5, Amiga version????

There is a plugin for rendering to CyberGraphics boards, in the "Incoming"
directory, LWCyberGFX12.lha, uploaded by its author.

.
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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Baker)
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On Thu  2-May-1996 23:03 , Mark Dunakin wrote:
MD> On Wed  1-May-1996  3:59p, djmccoy wrote:
MD> d> Sam Edsall ([e-mail]) wrote:
MD> d> : Do you know of any ftp or web sites that have lightwave objects to
MD> d> download?

MD> d> Check out tomahawk.grandi.com (via FTP), your one stop LightWave3D
MD> shop.
MD> d> :)
MD> ------------
MD> You mean, your one stop if you own an Amiga or if, by some slim chance you
MD> are able to find a LHA translater. I wish that they had more zip files.


At ftp.newtek.com, directory Utils, we have the following:  lha.exe, an MS-DOS
lha executable, lha.zip, which is the same executable plus docs, LHANT.EXE,
which is an LHA executable for Intel, Win NT.

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From: Nate Hayes <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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Steve Axtell wrote:
>
> I need to get some good bluescreen information.  I want to be able to
> composite talent over Lightwave backgrounds.  WHat is the best
> approach to set up a studio for this?  Which 3rd party packages should
> I get to compliment it?   Has anyone done this with good professional
> results?   Thanks.  Ax

I've done this getting very professional anti-aliased results using a
combination of Adobe Premiere and Adobe Photoshop. I even wrote a
detailed tutorial with lots of screen snapshots on a mehtod I developed
for doing such compositing work.

If you have a CompuServe account, you can find my tutorial in the
LightWave UG Library (GO GUGRPA) and the Premiere/Video Library (GO
ADOBEAPP). The file is called TUTORIAL.ZIP. I'd upload it here on the
internet for ya but I don't think that's possible.

The reason I like using Adobe Photoshop and Premiere is because they
have a file format called "filmstrip" which is very handy. It basically
converts your video or animation clip into one very long bitmap. When
you open this file in Photoshop there's a scrollbar on the right you can
use to advance yourself to any frame in the whole clip. You can also
apply alpha mask caluclations and filters to this entire file which
eliminates the need for doing things on a single frame-by-frame basis.
It's a lot like using a program such as QFX which supports batch
processing of numbered .TGA files. It's an incredibly powerful
tool/feature of Premiere/Photoshop that I think not enough people know
about.

Best,

Nate hayes
Sunfish Studio

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[ Article reposted from comp.sys.amiga.marketplace ]
[ Author was Eric Haddix ]
[ Posted on 6 May 1996 20:09:22 GMT ]

If you have one for sale give me some email with a price.. Thanx and L8a

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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In article <4mj519$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Stranahan) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
>Subject: Re: Wait for 5?
>Date: 5 May 1996 17:02:33 -0400

>Wait, wait, wait - there isn't long to wait and you'll save money....


>_____________________________________________
>Lee Stranahan

Except he is in Australia.  It might be a while.

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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In article <4mjl7m$[e-mail]> Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
>Date: 5 May 1996 18:39:02 -0700

>Gwynne Reddick <[e-mail]> wrote:
>: >Which reminds me: is there anything on the PC/NT like the Amiga's old Art
>: >Department Pro, with scripting and maybe customization. Premier can do
>: >some of that, but ADP was unique for doing complex stuff repetitively.

>: Not quite unique, i actually found ImageFX scripts easier to write. I
>: haven't come across anything on Wintel yet that has any where near the
>: same functionality. I have Winimages, which(if it worked properly) would

>: Kermitt(sorry if the spelling's wrong) if you're listening, some of us
>: are just about desperate for an ImageFX PC. I know we haven't got AREXX,
>: but MSoft are going to be embedding Java into 95 an NT.....

>ImageFX wasn't quite up to speed when I stopped doing serious work on the
>Amiga. Anyway, on the PC you can get Rexx, which is nearly identical to
>Arexx, at least it was available two years ago.

>--
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Steph Greenberg, 3DCGIMD                CGI Character Orthopedic Surgeon,
>[e-mail]                      Chiropracter, and Podiatrist.

>Copyright 1996. All Rights Reserved. Permission granted for non-commercial

I never used AdPro on the Amiga so I don't know how much CorelDraw 6.0 really
compares, but I spent some time this weekend using its built-in
scripting/programming language.  I was able to batch process a bunch of LW
images through one of its (the Corel Paint program) filters.  It took me a
little while to get it done since I'm not a programmer, but it really isn't
that tough.  If you are going to re-use the script, you can even build a
requestor to take user input.  There is a recorder built into the Paint
program that makes getting some command sequence easy.  Just record the
command sequences.  Save the recording as a script file.  Then past the
command sequence into a program that will do the batch processing.  Once you
create a batch routine, making modifications is pretty quick.

I wish Photoshop had a feature like this.

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Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:

>InstntGuts <[e-mail]> wrote:
>: experience with Alias, for example, still think 3D Studio is "good"...but
>: it aint!...>

>: ...in your opinion. Your first statement should answer your last
>: statement. I have worked with Alias, Softimage, 3D Studio/DOS and 3D
>: Studio MAX, and I can get professional results out of all 4 of these
>: programs -- in my opinion.

>: My original statement still stands -- if a person cannot get high-quality
>: renderings out of any of these above packages, then he or she simply
>: doesn't know how to use the package properly.

>"High-quality renderings" doesn't equal high quality character animation,
>or high quality seamless integration of photo realistic objects
>in live action plates, etc. Certainly you can get high quality
>renderings, but what exactly are the limitations that separate
>PC programs from SGI programs?

>: -- Jon


I'd say about $8000-$15000 dollars and a whole lot of ego.  I saw a
really good demo of SoftImage for an SGI, and said wow, and was really
blown away by it.

Three days later I went to a demo of the 3DStudio Max software, and it
had some features that were not in SoftImage (but are scheduled for
the next release).  It was missing other features that softimage had,
but I would have to say that they were very closel matched.

Now, hardware use to make a differance, but some of the new 3d
accelerator boards are closing that gap.  The new Glint chip cards are
doing more than a SGI Iris2 is.  Why are you spending the money when
you aren't getting more value for the dollar??

mjm



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On Sun  5-May-1996 23:36 , David Timperley wrote:
DT> Is there an adress for emailing Newtek, there was some one in sapport
DT> called Chuck.
DT> Can anyone help me???


Hi Dave!  Long time no see on the BBS.  You can telnet there now, by the way,
and when our new web page goes online, it will have links to the FTP site and
the BBS.  Address is bbs.newtek.com.  Let me know what else I can help you
with.

Here is the complete current contact book for NewTek:


NewTek Help Directory: Addresses and Phones

 NewTek Inc.
 1200 SW Executive Drive
 Topeka, KS 66615

 Main Switchboard:

 NewTek Main Switchboard hours are:

      Monday through Thursday: 9:00 AM to 6:00 PM Central Time
      Friday:                  9:00 AM to 5:45 PM Central Time

 Phones:  1-800-843-8943 (USA only);  913-228-8000

 FAX (except Sales): 1-800-854-7111 (USA only);  913-228-8001

 Sales FAX:  [phone]

Departments served through the Main Switchboard are Marketing, Sales,
Operations, Executive Offices, Finance, Product Management, and Developer
Liaison.

Resumes should be directed to Jacque Russell, Personnel.

Beta Test applications should include demo tape and resume, and should be
directed to "Beta Test Manager".

Requests for Developer status, support, and information should be directed to
Marketing Receptionist Rachel Hamblin, who will forward messages to our
Developer Liaison.

Technical Support:

Technical Support telephone hours are:

        Monday through Thursday:  8:00 AM to 8:00 PM Central Time
        Friday:                   8:00 AM to 6:00 PM Central Time


Phone:  [phone]              FAX (24 hrs): 913-228-8222

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lightwave vs. Cubicomp
Date: 6 May 1996 16:38:02 -0700
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In article <4mj58u$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (steve) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (steve)
>Subject: Lightwave vs. Cubicomp
>Date: 5 May 1996 21:06:38 GMT

>   I am looking to buy a 3D app and was wondering if I should get LW or
>Cubicomp.  Sure LW has some nice features, but I can get CC for ALOT less and
>there are workarounds for all those other features anyway.  E.g. instead of
>using magnet - you just move each point one at a time to where you want.  And
>when 64,000 polys aren't enough just composite several scenes in video.

>   After all its the artist not the program that makes good art!

>mu,

>steve

We are seriously considering getting rid of all of our expensive apps.  After
all, each image is just a bunch of pixels.  Heck.  The paint program that came
with Windows can edit a stinkin' pixel.  It just takes a little more patience.




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From: [e-mail] (Steve Koren)
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Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack
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[e-mail] (Larry J. Jacobs) wrote:

> I run Lightwave, 3DStudio, Speed Razor Mach III and Real 3D. All of these
> programs require a dongle. If you love those freaking dongles so much how

I bought Real3D a few months ago (yes, for real, from Safe Harbor, at
great expense :) and it did NOT have a dongle, nor does it seem to want
one when running.

I think older versions of the program did have a dongle, which was why I
waited to buy it until recently.

Haven't gotten much into the program yet though.  It is a good bit more
cryptic than LW, although certainly more powerful as a result.

   - steve

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[e-mail] (MicroTech) wrote:

> use it myself, and like it a lot. But to call it a 'standard' is just not
> accurate.

Sure it is.  It is a de-facto standard.

   - steve

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Koren)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LW4-dongle for Amiga
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[e-mail] (Johan Steen) wrote:

> I just placed my order for LW 4 on Amiga and was wondering if the Amiga
> version as well uses a dongle in the parallell port?

> Just so I know if I should start looking for extra parallell ports or
> not.

Yes, it does, but you typically don't need an extra parallel port,
because the dongle is a pass through, so you need not dedicate the port
to it.  Some people have reported problems getting it to actually be
"transparent" to printers and whatnot, but it has worked fine on all 4
printers that I have tried on my system.

  - steve

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From: Nate Hayes <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Dell PentiumPro w/PVR?
Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 16:42:43 -0500
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Ken Geary wrote:
>
> DOes anyone know if the PVR WITH daughtercard will fit in a DELL
> Pentium Pro 200 (XPS pro200)?  Is there room for a full size Seagate
> Barracuda 4GB AV internal? thanks.

I wasn't able to fit the PVR into my Dell XPS P133c minitower chasis.
There was only ONE PCI slot that had enough room for the PVR with it's
doughtercard attached, and, as luck would have it, there was a metal "L"
brace under the motherboard at the slot which prevented me from being
able to push the card all the way down into the slot. I would have had
to cut off about 1/4" of the PVR metal lip with a hack-saw to get it in.
I tried later with a PCI riser and this worked, although it took lot's
of rubber-bands and string to suspend the card securely. In short, it
problably *will* fit. But ya might have to make some adjustments.

As for the Barracuda drives... yes, you could fit one, possibly two of
these inside the chassis but I would strongly recommend not doing so.
The Barracuda drives generate lots of heat, and I'd worry about that.
For about $100 I bought a full-height external drive chassis for my
computer. It fits two Conner CFP4207W 4.28 Gig drives in there perfectly
(and would do the same for your 4 Gig Seagates), plus the drives now
have thier own power supply and cooling system.

Nate

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack
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>I agree.  I haven't been able to use my QuickCam for over 2 mos. because of
my LW dongle.  It is >NOT trasparant like they say.  I had to make a decision
of what was more valuable to me, LW or the >QC.  So my QC is sitting on the
self in its box.  It really sucks that I had to make that >decision.  I REALLY
shoudn't have to.  Some people will say "buy another parallel port card".
>That would work, but that's more $$ out of my pocket that I shouldn't be
expected to spend.  >Dongles suck!  Their ineffectiveness is demonstrated
everyday with every "need lightwave crack" >message posted.  I'd rather LW
just go w/ serial numbers instead.  The fucking pirates will get >their
cracked copies of LW regardless.  Let's focus on the USER not the stinkin'
pirates.>--

>Bryant Reif
>mailto:[e-mail]
>http://www.aiesec.org/~bryant

The dongle makes pirating more difficult.  It slows the process some.
I don't like the dongle, but when I factor the cost of LW against the "cost"
of the dongle, I still buy LW.  I think similar packages (3DS, MAX) also use
dongles and share in passing this "cost" on to the end user.  When I look at
what a Pentium system with LightWave and RAM costs, it baffles me why people
get significantly bothered about the expense of adding a second parallel port.
 I DO understand if the issue is that they are running out of IRQs though.

I understand that the dongle causes (at times) very significant problems.  But
I don't understand how so many people can consider the protection of LW by
NewTek to be such a minor problem.  The real solution is for NewTek to get
Sentinel to provide them a dongle that is RELIABLE!  Better yet, how about
reliable AND actually able to act as a passthru.


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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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In article <4mh1iv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Larry J. Jacobs) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Larry J. Jacobs)
>Subject: Re: Lightwave Crack
>Date: 5 May 1996 01:51:27 GMT


>>I have been using a dongle since the beginning (since the original beta) and
>>have NEVER had a single solitary problem, nor have the 20 or so other people
>I
>>personally know.

>Well Fred (and all you other DONGLE advocates),

>I run Lightwave, 3DStudio, Speed Razor Mach III and Real 3D. All of these
>programs require a dongle. If you love those freaking dongles so much how
>about untangling my mess (and allow my printers to work also). Dongles
>SUCK!! and so long as people continue to roll over on their backs and
>accept them, we'll end up with umpteen dongles hanging off the end of the
>machines. I also run Corel Draw, Adobe P/S, Picture Publisher, Adobe
>Premiere, all kinds of music and graphics software as well as publishing,
>etc., and so on. ALL are my very own legally purchased and registered
>software. Where would I be if every software manufacturer decided to protect
>their copyrights via the DONGLE! It's a cheap-charlie solution at the expense
>of the legitimate user. The thiefs still end up with it because nuttin's
>uncrackable! The providers need a more elegant solution.

>Larry J. Jacobs
>Arts & Algorithms
>Tampa, FL 33635
>

All of the products you list have a lower MSRP than LW and serve significantly
broader markets.  I think software protection becomes more of an issue when
your product is more expensive and serves a narrower market.  I don't think
any of the top 3D programs are without some form of anti-pirate mechanism.
Note that three out of four of your dongled programs are 3D programs.  You
have no non-dongled 3D programs listed (unless you have Corel 6.0 and its
included Corel Dream package).

I agree that a more elegant solution is needed.



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From: [e-mail] (Kreg Branden)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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[e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) wrote:


>I never used AdPro on the Amiga so I don't know how much CorelDraw 6.0 really
>compares, but I spent some time this weekend using its built-in
>scripting/programming language.  I was able to batch process a bunch of LW
>images through one of its (the Corel Paint program) filters.  It took me a
>little while to get it done since I'm not a programmer, but it really isn't
>that tough.  If you are going to re-use the script, you can even build a
>requestor to take user input.  There is a recorder built into the Paint
>program that makes getting some command sequence easy.  Just record the
>command sequences.  Save the recording as a script file.  Then past the
>command sequence into a program that will do the batch processing.  Once you
>create a batch routine, making modifications is pretty quick.

>I wish Photoshop had a feature like this.

  I've recently become aware of Macromedia's Xres.  I've only scene a
demo and havn't used it, but it looks mighty interesting.  From what
I've seen it's basically Photoshop (even uses Photoshop filters) but
it also does batch and has some resolution independant features...
  Does anyone here actual have (and/or use) this program?

  Kreg Branden
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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LW 5.0 Pricing
Date: 6 May 1996 18:25:03 -0700
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In article <4mh4jf$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Stranahan) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
>Subject: Re: LW 5.0 Pricing
>Date: 4 May 1996 22:42:55 -0400

>------------------
>These folks are barely making any profit at that price.  I would guess
>they don't provide the same technical support that a good local dealer
>does.
>-----------------

>Sure, Don - the problem is that in much of the country there isn't a good
>local dealer.  Colorado is lucky to have you, and there are a few other
>good dealers around, of course - but the dealer base has dwindled to the
>point where many people don't have any options except mailorder.




>_____________________________________________
>Lee Stranahan

I learned years ago with cameras and then computers that I could more easily
self-educate myself and provide my own support than I could rely on local
dealers.  If I find a local dealer that does provide useful support, I buy
from them.  Otherwise, I'm throwing money away.

Our first Amiga was purchased from a local dealer who configured the system
with a Progressive Peripherals accellerator that was incompatible with the
included SCSI (Amiga standard) card.  I then watched him install the new
TrumpCard controller (that I did the research to find - which means that I
read the documentation) and then go scratching his head when the system
wouldn't boot.  While he answered a phone call I (you guessed it) read the
Trumpcard docs and then showed him the jumper to change.  The system booted.

A year later, our new DAT tape drive wouldn't work (mail order).  Tech support
from the mail order company and from the backup software company was almost
non-existent.  The distributor did what they could - they replaced the unit
which proved the unit wasn't the problem.  A different local dealer had no good
suggestions.  A local user (Richard Garrison) suggested trying a new SCSI
card.  Changed it - fixed it.  We bought from the local dealer but he didn't
really help us much with identifying the trouble.

This scenario has been typical.  There just aren't that many good local
dealers.  When the PAR came out we begged a local dealer to get one in so that
we could evaluate it.  Their price was $200-300 more than mail order and they
knew almost nothing about the product and weren't gonna learn.  So, once
again, why pay money for nothing.

It is sad, cuz I wouldn't mind paying more to actually get good local support.
As it is, I can only rely on self-support.  Which is one reason why I
participate in this group.


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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Recordable CD? HEELLLPPPP!!!
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
>Subject: Recordable CD? HEELLLPPPP!!!
>Date: 4 May 96 19:31:39 PST

>I have been checking into CDR for archieving my animations. After doing some
>checking into this for my DecAlpha system, I have found out that in order to
>run the thing I would have to spend 1400.00 bucks for the software alone and
>then another 1000.00 bucks for the CDR device. Geezsh! It seems to me that I
>would be better off going out and purchasing a Pentium and then get only the
>CDR device and just send all the files over to the Pentium from the Raptor.
>The software for the Pentium would only be about a 100.00 bucks. I also figure
>I could then get another LW for that machine too. But I am just wonderring if
>this *IS* the way I need to go? I don't want to have to go the tape back up
>route if I can avoid it.

> So, which way does everyone else think I should go? Funds are running LOW...
>thanx..........md

Are you archiving stills, PVR files, scene files or what exactly?  I have
being toying with the CDR idea myself because it would be so easy to retrieve
 and store the archive.  It would also make a nice easy way to distribute
images to clients since it is more universal, cheaper and rugged than a
Syquest cartridge.  As I understand it, the software is still a bit primitive
and you need to make sure your software and hardware can record multiple
sessions for the most flexibility.

Pinnacle Micro is supposed to be releasing a 4gig magneto optical disk ($1500
for the drive and around $200 per disk) that may make more sense.  On the
other end, if you are just saving PVR files, maybe the ZIP or EZ-135 drive
make more sense. We currently use DAT, but have had some reliability problems
and it is slow (slower now since we do mirror backups).



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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Commercial: VertiLectric Press Release and info
Date: 6 May 1996 21:40:18 -0400
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This sounds great, and it's priced right...good job, guys - very useful
sounding plug-in.


_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan

"I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
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From: [e-mail] (Noam Ben-Ami)
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Plus, from a bit of an e-mail exchange with these guys, they were
terrifically nice.

I say a quick demo of the plugin prerelease and some demo anims
and its pretty gorgeous.

--
Noam Ben-Ami is [e-mail] Solar Acoustics High Performance Speakers.
http://farside.ncsa.uiuc.edu/~nbenami ---- Disclaimer: I speak for myself ONLY.
Dealer employee:Dunlavy, B.A.T., Theta, Rowland, Von Schweikert, Hales, Paragon,
Golden Tube, Musical Design, Counterpoint, Linn, Fanfare, C.A.L, Nak, XLO, PS Audio...

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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[snip]

>The reason I like using Adobe Photoshop and Premiere is because they
>have a file format called "filmstrip" which is very handy. It basically
>converts your video or animation clip into one very long bitmap. When
>you open this file in Photoshop there's a scrollbar on the right you can
>use to advance yourself to any frame in the whole clip. You can also
>apply alpha mask caluclations and filters to this entire file which
>eliminates the need for doing things on a single frame-by-frame basis.
>It's a lot like using a program such as QFX which supports batch
>processing of numbered .TGA files. It's an incredibly powerful
>tool/feature of Premiere/Photoshop that I think not enough people know
>about.

>Best,

>Nate hayes
>Sunfish Studio

Can you create this "filmstrip" file from within Photoshop?

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Magicode, Inc. has immediate openings for graphic artists for both
employment and contractual opportunities.  We are developing a state
of the art computer strategy game and need artists for computer
animation cut-scenes, rendered graphic stills, and pixel graphics.
Applicants must be in the Atlanta area (NE suburbs prefered).  If you
are interested, please send e-mail to us with a resume and samples
attached.  Please state whether you are applying for employment or
wish to work on a contractual basis.

Magicode, Inc. is a seven year old computer software development
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From: [e-mail] (Gord Davison)
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[e-mail] wrote:
:The Autodesk program is a good one.  Another one I'd recommend is Animation
:Paintbox by Azeena Technologies.  It is basically a DPaint clone, but is not
:capable of 24 bit.
--
                      -=Fred=-

Yeah, I forgot about that one. It was *very* inexpensive when I purchased it
[~$99 I think] and it too has many of the same features [and keyboard equivalents]
as DPaint.

My biggest complaint with Animation Paintbox, is that it's 8-bit exclusively
[as Fred mentioned above] and it only allows the 236-colour Windows palette, instead
of a full 256 colour palette.

For instance, if you import an existing FLC animation, it will remap the
existing 256 colours into a 236-colour "best guess" palette. The long and short
of it is that the remapping usually doesn't give you satisfactory results, especially
if you need certain colours in specific colour registers [like I do]. This was a big
limitation for me. I have had Animation Paintbox for a while, though; it may have been
upgraded in the meantime. [Haven't received any upgrade notices, however].

If you can afford it, and you want a 2D paint/animation package, my recommendation
is to get Animator Studio. Just make sure you have a Pentium with at least 32MB
of RAM. I was using it on a DX4/100 with 16MB for a while and it wasn't pretty.

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From: [e-mail] (Gord Davison)
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Subject: Re: Does Lightwave run good under 95 or NT4.0?
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[e-mail] wrote:
>>   [e-mail] (James Burns) writes:
>>  Re: Does Lightwave run good under 95 or NT4.0?
>>
>>  Does Lightwave run WELL under 95 or NT4.0?
>>                     ^^^^
>
>    Yup, it runned REAL good.
>
>** [e-mail]     |     Synergy Graphix & Animation -- Seattle     **

Cunjugation 101: slid, slud, sludded.

[BTW, >tuff< croud.] :-)

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From: [e-mail] (Gord Davison)
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Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:
>ImageFX wasn't quite up to speed when I stopped doing serious work on the
>Amiga. Anyway, on the PC you can get Rexx, which is nearly identical to
>Arexx, at least it was available two years ago.

Even though REXX is available for PC, the lack of REXX ports for common
Windows applications nullifies the usefulness of the inter-process
communications component of ARexx, which is what I found most useful.

That was the beauty of ARexx on Amiga: all major software packages
supported ARexx at least partially; many of them had even greater
capabilities through ARexx than through the user interface! ADPro and
Morph Plus were particularly strong in this respect.

Visual Basic, as M$'s answer to the general-purpose, easy-to-use, scripting
langauge for the masses, just doesn't cut it [IMHO].

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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Subject: Re: 'Node1' Single CPU ScreamernetII front end!
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>                             * * *  Node1  * * *

>                         for Windows95 and WindowsNT
>                     Copyright (c) 1996 EXP Engineering


>NODE1 is a front end program for Lightwave's ScreamerNETII program.
>Node1 only runs under one cpu machine (single node, hence Node1 :).
>NODE1 will give you the ability to render Lightwave's Scene files
>without having the main Lightwave program running.  This is possible
>through ScreamerNET.  Since ScreamerNET itself IS Lightwave without
>the interface, NODE1 takes advantage of the following:

>        - Significant decrease in rendering times.  This is true for
>Windows95 where we've rendered a Scene file up to 100% faster than
>Lightwave!  Sometimes faster than NT!

C'mon.  With Revision C, Layout under Win95 is very close to as fast as
Screamernet II.  If there is a scene that is 100% faster under Screamernet
than Layout Rev C, then it is the exception.

Now freeing up some RAM might speed up some renders and
when/if it does, then that would be the only way your product will cause
faster renders than the code that already is included with LightWave.  How
about telling us how much RAM is freed up then?

Node1 sounds like a nice program but spare us the hype.  If it really
initiates Screamernet II renders "hassle free" then THAT is a good selling
point.  And the price is attractive as well. The other features are also nice.
 However, I would make the self-termination optional or possible leave a
smaller "status display" applet running.


>        - Runs with full single node ScreamerNETII capabilities.

>        - More available RAM for rendering.  This is because Lightwave
>is not running, only ScreamerNET.

>So what's so special about NODE1?  When you load a scene file through
>NODE1, it allows you to make any last minute changes before you start
>rendering, such as motion blur, RGB image destinations, raytracing,
>resolutions, etc. This is possible because NODE1 reads and displays
>the settings saved in your Scene file.  These settings are the same as
>the ones under Lightwave's 'Camera' and 'Record' menu.  Once you're
>satisfied with the changes you've made, just click the START button
>and NODE1 will automatically configure and start the ScreamerNET
>process.  After a few moments, NODE1 terminates itself to free more
>memory for rendering.  Simple!

>NODE1 is also non-destructive.  It will not change your original Scene
>file.   It is also Windows NT compatible since it is a 32bit program.

>I hope you enjoy the program and if you have any questions or comments
>please send email to:
>                [e-mail]
>Thanks!



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From: [e-mail] (Steve Bowie)
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>On 03-May-96 14:21:39, Johan Otterstrom ([e-mail])
>posted:

>> (snip)  CybergraphX is the defacto RTG
>> standard for the Amiga, supporting 8 differnt graphicsboards already
>> including Altais on the DraCo.

>CybergraphX is not any kind of standard at all. There just plain aren't any
>'standards' outside of the Amiga native chipset. CybergraphX is probably
>the most popular of the third-party graphics card drivers for the Amiga. I
>use it myself, and like it a lot. But to call it a 'standard' is just not
>accurate.

>Regards,
>John Crookshank
>MicroTech

Sorry, but I have to agree with the original post...he said "de facto"
RTG standard, and Cybergraphics has become that, and will remain so until
something better arrives.

Regards,
Steve
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[e-mail] (Matt. ) wrote:

>I'd say about $8000-$15000 dollars and a whole lot of ego [seperates SGIs form >workstations].  I saw a
>really good demo of SoftImage for an SGI, and said wow, and was really
>blown away by it.
>
>Three days later I went to a demo of the 3DStudio Max software, and it
>had some features that were not in SoftImage (but are scheduled for
>the next release).  It was missing other features that softimage had,
>but I would have to say that they were very closel matched.

Softimage is accually not one of the SGI's best apps, take a look at Discreate Logic's
FLINT or FLAME (or maybe INFERNO, if you've got $200,000 for an Onyx :) now THERE's a
program!!  Alias, Wavefront, there are all kinds of SGI applications that just KILL
anything available on the PC.


>Now, hardware use to make a differance, but some of the new 3d
>accelerator boards are closing that gap.

Yes, now it's just becoming possible to now what you could have done with a SGI 5 years
ago. (ETERNITY in the computer age, though I think SGI is not moving fast enough, HW
rendering acceleration should be standard in the Indy, as should a R10000 processor, all
for about $10,000 loaded. This is fairly feasable, as chip costs come down)

>The new Glint chip cards are
>doing more than a SGI Iris2 is.

Sience when?

>Why are you spending the money when
>you aren't getting more value for the dollar??

Go ahead, just TRY and manipulate a complex 3-diminsional goroud shaded, textured, and
lit object, in real time, at a decent framerate on a PC. :)  4+ year oldSGI Indigos can do
that. ;)

PCs running WindozeNT replacing UNIX, just what thecomputer industry needs, another market
segment dominated by Bill Gates.  Compared to IRIX, NT is a toy OS.

--
Ben Cannon. [e-mail]
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Walter (Jay) Turberville (III) wrote:
>
>
> We paid $800 for non-upgrade versions of LW 4.0 and have ordered upgrades at
> about $450.  I guess that means we are around $75-100 in behind, but then we
> have had a lot of use of 4.0.
>
> The one thing that really points out that Newtek doesn't seem too concerned
> about taking care of its user base is that the full version is being made
> available weeks sooner than the upgrade packages.  Gosh - who do they
> think will be helping their grassroots marketing?  Well not me.  I
> don't have anything to say about 5.0 cuz I don't have it yet.  It
> isn't really a huge deal, but remember back in August/September when new
> orders (new cash flow) were shipping sooner than pre-release upgrades (no
> cash flow)?  (Note: NewTek denied this, but there was far too much evidence to
> the contrary IMO).  I suppose NT can get away with this because their product
> represents such a good value.  It just might backfire at some point in the
> future.  Or has it already?
>
> Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
> Studio 522 Productions           |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber
> http://www.studio522.com         |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber

I ordered my update at NAB and received it last week. My local dealer has the
update also, so I'm not sure that your observation is the case, this time around.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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>From: [e-mail] (This space intentionally left blank)
>Subject: Re: NewTek Price List
>Date: 3 May 1996 17:35:57 GMT

>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Chuck Baker) writes:
>>NewTek MSRP Prices:
>>
>>Part No:           Title:                                   Retail ($US):

><snip>

>>LW500xx-sw       LightWave 3D 5.0 (available for Amiga,       $1495.00
>> xx=platform        Intel, DEC Alpha, MIPS)

>This is a pretty steep jump in price from the 4.0 release.  Is 4.0 still
>going to be available for Intel for those of us who want to learn 3D, and
>perhaps use it for some things, but can't justify spending as much on one
>piece of software as on everything else on the machine?

>CorelDRAW old versions stay available for those with less stringent
>requirements, and/or smaller wallets.  This serves as an excelent
>introductory path to the product.  I bought CorelDRAW 3.0 ($99), found that
>I could make money with it, and upgraded to 5.0 (upgrade price was about
>$300. 6.0 has nothing I want and runs on OS's I'm not willing to run at the
>moment so I'm sticking with 5.0).

Hmmm ...  CorelDraw 6 has two 3D programs.  Corel Dream and - I forget...
Anyway, the second program is for doing Logo animations quickly and easily.  I
never use these programs, but since you are considering some other budget
packages, maybe this would suit you.  Corel Dream is based on RayDream or is
RayDream.  I'm not sure which.

BTW, LightWave runs better under NT or Win95.

>If Lightwave 4.0 is no longer available, and 5.0 is 60% higher in price than
>4.0 was (I was strongly considering 4.0...) I will have to re-evaluate my
>decision to go with LW.  I can't justify that big an investment unless I can
>pretty much guarantee making it back, and without some experience I can't do
>that.

>I've just tried a 30-day free trial version of Truespace 2.  It's not
>bad...certainly WAY ahead of RayDream Designer 3.0 in usability.  Truespace
>full version is about $500 (with an "SE" version at $90...).

>When Lightwave's street price was about $700 it was the obvious choice over
>Truespace...the extra features and industry attention are worth the $200
>difference.  With Lightwave at $1500, 3 times the price of Truespace, it's
>essentially out of the running.  For what I need at the moment, mostly
>stills or short simple animations, Truespace looks adequate.  Not great, but
>adequate.  I'd LOVE to have Lightwave, and $200 was something I was willing
>to part with to get it over Truespace, but an extra $1000 is just too much.

The street price of LW 5.0 is around $1200.  I bet you can still find 4.0
around.  Also, consider Martin Hash's Animation program.  This is a "lite"
version of Animation Master and costs around $200-300.  They have a WWW site.
Do a search on Yahoo - I don't have the address handy.

>I understand that for an animation house with multiple employees the price
>difference is nothing big...they'll blow more than that if someone slips and
>deletes a day's work or a drive fails, but for us "wannabes" who want to
>play, learn and try getting into the industry, the price hike has taken
>Lightwave out of reach.  Leaving the old version available at the old price
>would let us "in the door", while still allowing those with greater needs
>and bigger bank accounts have what they want too.

Multiply the upgrade by the number of licenses that need to be purchased.
Granted the impact is not proportionate, but it all adds up.


>How about it Newtek?  Something for everybody?  A clear entry point and
>upgrade path for a larger and growing market, or just the creme-de-la-creme
>with all the new folks going with vendors that are more entry-friendly and
>perhaps sticking with them because of the upgrade path?

>              -- Mike "bigger market = more sales" Bartman --


I agree with the idea.  I just don't know if it makes sense from a user
support standpoint.

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From: [e-mail] (MarcMylar)
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In article <[e-mail]>, BJ <[e-mail]>
writes:

>So what happens when they want the space shuttel? Drive out to Edwards or
>Kennedy or wherever it happens to be
>that week. Or what if they want the Empire state building?

Or a left-handed monkey wrench. Or a smoke-shifter.  Or a ...

>It's a scam! or It's way to much of an investment of my time.

It sounds Too Good To Be True.  Everyone wants to be an independent
contractor and make a huge income in their spare time.  I guess if this
were such a good deal, they wouldn't have to advertise so much.

I guess I'll just have to stick with my *boring* job for a little while
longer. <g>

Regards,
Marc


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Tony Lisanti wrote:
>
>  I find the manuals in lightwave Could have been done differently. Thy describe
> each tool, option so on and tell you what effect it has. Then at the end of the
> book, it shows you tutorals. What I think they should have done was : Describe
> options,give example, do short tutoral. This would make it easier for poeple
> that are beginners.
> I think the User and Ref manuals repeat it each other too much.
Just take the appendix from the Ref manual and put it in the User's Manual.
Then make the User's manual spiral bound so it sits flat on a desk.
Then add a few more tuts to it.

Mark

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<Compared to IRIX, NT is a toy OS.>

OTOH, if I had a dollar for every time I've crashed an Indigo running
IRIX, I'd have enough money to *buy* a new Indigo -- which I then wouldn't
do. Instead, I'd spend it on a dual Pentium Pro 200 running Windows NT,
and use the rest of the money to take a scuba trip to the Caribbean. <g>

This is the only part of this flame war I'm gonna breeze through; it's not
worth it. Ben, please be advised that I'm saying the above with my tongue
in cheek, but I have torn my hair out over SGIs and their foibles on more
than one occasion. And sometimes, cool 3D renderings not withstanding, I
just plain *hate* computer hardware.

-- Jon

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From: [e-mail] (Kreg Branden)
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[e-mail] (Kreg Branden) wrote:

>  I've recently become aware of Macromedia's Xres.
>  I've only scene a demo
                   ^ ^ ^

  Gosh, I gues I've been spending too much time writing LW plug-in
manuals lately.

  Kreg
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Micropolis 4221 A/V Gold 2gig Fast SCSI2 drive for sale. 2 months old.
All original packaging/paperwork/factory box. 5 year wrnty.
$600 OBO!
-John

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<I have been checking into CDR for archieving my animations. After doing
some
checking into this for my DecAlpha system, I have found out that in order
to
run the thing I would have to spend 1400.00 bucks for the software alone
and
then another 1000.00 bucks for the CDR device.>

I'm not running an Alpha, but those prices seem *way* high. Pinnacle Micro
has internal PC 2X CD-ROM recorders for under $1,000; the recording
software should be included. I would think that you could at least run the
software in NT under emulation.

-- Jon

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Dan Amato ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Dan Amato
: [e-mail]
: 'I am the master of unfinished games'

I beg to differ.
I am the master of unfinished games! ;)

Alec
--
"Groovy!" - Army of Darkness
"I feel all funny inside. I'm in love. No, wait, it's a stroke"
- Grandpa Simpson

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In article <[e-mail]>, Bryant Reif
<[e-mail]> writes:

>There was a time when companies would never even attempt this type of
scam
>over the Internet.  I can only surmise that this is an indication that
the
>average IQ of the Internet is dropping, and the result is intelligence
>insulting crap like this. :(
>
>No offense personally to you "Britt"... if you even exist.

Why are you so sure that "Britt" was created by 3rd Dimension
Technologies?  Isn't there the *slightest* possibility that that this
isn't a spam testimonial?  Their marketing techniques may be
unconventional, but not necessarily fraudulent.

Devil's Advocate,
Marc

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Phil South wrote:

> and being a bear of very little brain

A. A. Milne references, a hallmark of parenthood.

- Ernie



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ok, this is probably pretty naive, but i figure someone out there
has to know more than we do.

we have just purchased an amiga 4000, with toaster flyer, latest
software. also have lightwave 4.0. let's say i want to subtitle
some japanese anime. (which i do). can i use what i have? i have
all the SVHS and laserdisc players and all of that. i know
there are several shareware programs that alot of the fans
use with the amiga, but since i already have all of this
stuff available, and it's considerably more sophisticated,
shouldn't i be able to do this?

all information greatly appreciated.

thanks,
debraa



*************
`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,'said the Cat `we're all mad here.I'm mad,
you're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'

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This Is The List With Lightwave benchmarks posted a few days ago
but I've added A P133,


                      Textures   Dof   Raytrace   Zbufsort   xP5/100
 i80486/66MHz           1138      5173   45958     4679 sec    0.10
  Pentium/90MHz           164       544    4499      411 sec    0.91
 Pentium/100MHz          145       477    4276      386 sec    1.00
 MIPS R4600/133MHz       133       473    3657      302 sec    1.08
 Pentium/133Mhz          103       352    3011      279 sec    1.37
 Pentium Pro/150MHz       74       248    1940      211 sec    1.97
 Pentium Pro/200MHz       56       188    1497      160 sec    2.59
 Raptor3 Alpha45/275MHz   57       187    1550      152 sec    2.60
 Raptor3 Alpha5/300MHz    28        91     877      111 sec    4.56
 Raptor3 Alpha56/366MHz   26        87     781       83 sec    5.26
______________________________________________________________


Rendering League table.

Here is the test, which I guess is a pretty typical
TV quality image.

Scene: Blade (the Tyrell building )
       Frame 54             (The Spinner is in view)
       Camera:
       Trace Shadows ON
       Medium Resolution (Video)
       Limited Res 752x320  From 752x480
       Pixel Ratio D2 Aspect 1.0
       Adaptive Sampling (8) - Soft Filter on
 *     Field Rendering OFF    <--different from default.
       Motion Blur On
       (This frame needs a 8.5M segment to finish in 1 pass)

Machine   OS            RAM   Seg Size   Time
---------------------------------------------------------
Raptor3   NT3.5         32M     8.7M     4m   0s (Paging)
Alpha275M NT3.5         64M     8.26M    5m49s           (Aspen)
P133      NT3.5         32M     8.76M    8M   8s (No Paging)
P120      Win3.11Wg     32M     8.7M     12m  6s (Paging)
P100      NT3.5         64M     8.76M    13m 32s
P90       NTs3.5        32M     ?        19m
P90       NT3.51        16M     3M       19m     (No Paging)
P90       Win4Wg        32M     ?        19m
P90       NTs3.5        32M     ?        19m
P90       NT3.51        16M     9M       20m     (Paging)
DX4/100   Win4Wg        16M     2.2M     30m
DX4/100   Win95         16M     2.2M     33m
DX266     Windows 95    20M     9M       50m     (Paging)
DX266     Win4Wg         8M     ?        85m
A4000     (VMEM)        14M     2.2M     110m


I Will soon add a A2000/040/33mhz And A A4000/040/40Mhz.....

Dimitri Boschma

C U Soon,

-- Via Xenolink 1.982, XenolinkUUCP 1.1

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Anyone have the inside scoop on what technologies are being utilized
to achieve HQ-6 level quality with the Flyer?

Ultra SCSI?
Fiber-Channel?
FireWire?


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On 5/6/96 1:14AM, in message <[e-mail]>, Mark Dunakin
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> P.S. The only thing that I can figure, is that the dongle people MUST be a
> bunch of liberals, or something. Why else would they want to cram something
> down everyone else's throught, JUST because THEY think it's RIGHT ?
>
> sorry if I'm tooo rude, but I've had it with LightWave problems....
> I just want to get to work, and can't!!!
>

Nowhere in my post did I say that I love the dongle idea, nor do I think I've
seen it posted by anyone else.  What I have said, however, is that I haven't
had any problems or malfunctions in using it.  I can't understand why people
here seem to be having so many problems.  I have two dongles and five parallel
devices hooked up to one card via switchbox and they all work fine.  I'm not
saying that it's impossible to have problems, but I think at least *some* of
the people here must be doing something wrong.

As for the need for copy protection, I see plenty of people complaining about
the new prices and upgrade prices; well imagine what those prices would be
without the dongle as protection!  The dongle might not stop professional
pirates for very long, but it does a very good job of stopping casual
pirates--the cracked versions don't work right, or will not continue to work
right because of all the layers of protection.  With a market as small as
Lightwave's, ANY small amount of piracy can have a major impact on revenues,
and this hurts ALL OF US.  Not just in prices, but in features too.  If the
alternative to dongles (or whatever) is that Lightwave dies and I can never get
new versions any more, then I'll live with the dongles.  They may not be
perfect, but none of the alternatives are either.  I don't think it's fair that
I have to pay taxes either but I do and I live with it.  The world isn't fair.
Is that news to anyone?  Get over it already.

By the way, aren't YOU trying to cram the anti-dongle crap down our throats
just as much as we're cramming the pro-dongle crap?

--
                      -=Fred=-


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On 5/6/96 8:08PM, in message <4mmes3$[e-mail]>, Ben Cannon
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Yes, now it's just becoming possible to now what you could have done with a
> SGI 5 years ago. (ETERNITY in the computer age, though I think SGI is not
> moving fast enough, HW rendering acceleration should be standard in the Indy,
> as should a R10000 processor, all for about $10,000 loaded. This is fairly
> feasable, as chip costs come down)

First of all, you won't be able to get a loaded R10000 machine for $10,000.  In
fact, if SGI sold beer, YOU couldn't even get loaded for $10,000.  Also, sorry,
but the R10000 is still SLOWER than the current Alphas.  But thanks for playing.

>
> >The new Glint chip cards are
> >doing more than a SGI Iris2 is.
>
> Sience when?

Since the last time I checked.

>
> >Why are you spending the money when
> >you aren't getting more value for the dollar??
>
> Go ahead, just TRY and manipulate a complex 3-diminsional goroud shaded,
> textured, and
> lit object, in real time, at a decent framerate on a PC. :)  4+ year oldSGI
> Indigos can do
> that. ;)

I'm moving around a 600,000 polygon object at a decent frame rate right now in
Lightwave.  It's not a great frame rate, but it's not a top of the line
graphics card either.  But it's much cheaper than that 4 year old Indigo.  As a
matter of fact, there's nothing running on an SGI that could display a house in
openGL that's as nice as the house I could buy if I *didn't* buy the SGI.

>
> PCs running WindozeNT replacing UNIX, just what thecomputer industry needs,
> another market
> segment dominated by Bill Gates.  Compared to IRIX, NT is a toy OS.
>
> --
> Ben Cannon. [e-mail]
>

I have no love of Bill Gates either, but I don't place SGI or the UNIX OS any
higher.  Actually, Bill Gates is probably about the only one who could afford
to use an SGI. And how evil is SGI?  After all, as soon as they bought out
Alias they scuttled the Alias NT port AFTER IT WAS ALREADY DONE just because
they wanted to protect their doomed computer market.

--
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On 5/6/96 9:51AM, in message <4mlalm$[e-mail]>, Steph
Greenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:


> I'm sorry, but while there are jobs that people use Alias for when
> Lightwave would be adaquate, LW would not be economical for jobs where
> Alias IK and effects tools are superior and easier to access.
>
> And if price was always
> the object, ILM would be out of business, since they are the most
> expensive effects company *in* the business.
>
>

ILM is not turning a regular profit and never has.  George needs them though so
he keeps them in business.
--
                      -=Fred=-


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>We are seriously considering getting rid of all of our expensive apps.
After
>all, each image is just a bunch of pixels.  Heck.  The paint program that
came
>with Windows can edit a stinkin' pixel.  It just takes a little more
patience.

Applications with tools are for wimps.  We'll just be coding everything
from scratch from now on.  On punchcards.
--Brian


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[e-mail] wrote:
: On 5/6/96 8:08PM, in message <4mmes3$[e-mail]>, Ben Cannon
: <[e-mail]> wrote:

: > as should a R10000 processor, all for about $10,000 loaded. This is fairly
: > feasable, as chip costs come down)

: First of all, you won't be able to get a loaded R10000 machine for $10,000.  In
: fact, if SGI sold beer, YOU couldn't even get loaded for $10,000.  Also, sorry,
: but the R10000 is still SLOWER than the current Alphas.  But thanks for playing.

Um, yes and no. The *chip* is faster, but I'm not sure if any of the Alphas
has a full speed 64 bit bus (PCI is 32 bit) or a true 64 bit OS (fewer clock
cycles) or 64 bit memory. Not that all SGI software takes advantage of all
that, but most of the 3D software does, and you really notice the difference
when interacting with large scenes.

The biggest hit you take in an NT machine is the bottleneck between the chip,
the memory and the graphics accelerator.

Bzzzzzzt. Game over.

I do think NT machines are adaquate, and are a far better buy than SGIs for
the utility you get out of them. But they don't yet supplant SGI, though it
would serve them right if NT machines did supplant SGI. I hope this kinda talk
scares some sense into them.

: matter of fact, there's nothing running on an SGI that could display a house in
: openGL that's as nice as the house I could buy if I *didn't* buy the SGI.

Ha! You couldn't be in LA! You could buy a 4 processor Onyx for what a house
costs in LA.

The question is, if your boss was gonna pay the the same no matter what he
spent on equipment and software, would you turn down an SGI running Alias?

: to use an SGI. And how evil is SGI?  After all, as soon as they bought out
: Alias they scuttled the Alias NT port AFTER IT WAS ALREADY DONE just because
: they wanted to protect their doomed computer market.

Um, I know people who program at Alias. They couldn't do an NT port until Maya
is done. That level of effort would make no sense until Alias has the fat
trimmed out of its code, since only the fastest and most expensive NT machines
would be adaquate. Before SGI acquired them, they wouldn't have had the
resources to split their development team up.

Once there are no technical hurdles to overcome with a port, and SGI doesn't
permit Maya or whatever the next Alias product is really called, then you can
make a claim like that.

Frankly, the ugly truth is bad enough without people spreading rumors that
make no sense. If you've used Alias you know it's slow on a fast SGI on some
types of objects, particularly with complex point assignment schemes,
expressions and convoluted IK strategies. The NT machines prior to SGI's
purchase would have been too slow, particularly with the lack of GL cards and
the lack of support for GL in the OS until after it would have been in
development for at least a year.

I mean, on a much simpler program on a much simpler OS, it took a long time
for Newtek to port to the PC for the first time. Softimage was ported to NT
with a craftily hacked IRIX emulator, under a direct mandate from the parent
company.

: --
:                       -=Fred=-


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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) wrote:
>In article <4mj58u$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (steve) writes:
>>From: [e-mail] (steve)
>>Subject: Lightwave vs. Cubicomp
>>Date: 5 May 1996 21:06:38 GMT
>
>>   I am looking to buy a 3D app and was wondering if I should get LW or
>>Cubicomp.  Sure LW has some nice features, but I can get CC for ALOT less and
>>there are workarounds for all those other features anyway.  E.g. instead of
>>using magnet - you just move each point one at a time to where you want.  And
>>when 64,000 polys aren't enough just composite several scenes in video.
>
>>   After all its the artist not the program that makes good art!
>
>>mu,
>
>>steve
>
>We are seriously considering getting rid of all of our expensive apps.  After
>all, each image is just a bunch of pixels.  Heck.  The paint program that came
>with Windows can edit a stinkin' pixel.  It just takes a little more patience.
>
>Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
>Studio 522 Productions           |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber
>http://www.studio522.com         |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber

Hey guys, you had you smiley filter switched on when you posted these! You
might like to switch it off again.

Cheers :-)

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Kevin Gleeson
Imagine It
3D animation and graphics
Hobart
Tasmania
Australia

The Librarian Rules! - OOOK!
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It is PowerView which doesn't visualize the model
as correctly as it should be, eg. it simply doesn't
show drilled tunnels (1/2 sided polygon) correctly.

So, forget about the b/s I posted before.

LSam
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It seems that the rev. D (4.04) of LW Intel isn't
compatible with NT service pack 4.

After updating the modeler, I trya launch it but
there's message:

Cannot Run Program

Anyone has the same problem?

LSam
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I have not been getting any mail from the LW Mailing List [e-mail].
- Have they moved to a new location?
Can anyone tell me where have they moved too. I read somewhere that they where
moving to tomahawk. Please email me there new location.

Thank You.
--

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[e-mail]
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On 5/6/96 6:31PM, in message <[e-mail]>, Walter (Jay)
Turberville (III) <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I think the 4.0 manuals are quite good.  Well designed tutorials will show
> how to use many more than one feature and so would be out of place after each
> description. I think the manuals are very complete, however, more examples
> and more tutorial could be helpful.

 After finishing the tutorials in LW 4.0(i purchased it recently) I was hoping
that the LW 5.0 would give tutorials on the new LW 5.0 features(it had two new
tutorials added). It's still a very good manual and better than other software
manuals.
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From: [e-mail] ("Phil South")
Subject: UK Software Reviewing Under Fire (Was: journos snubbed again!)
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Woah! Maybe you'd like to continue this conversation outside, buddy?!?
Such obvious flamebait has to be responded to. WARNING: LONG RANTING POST

[e-mail] said:

> I do remember Snouty writing about him being a journo and not an expert
> in computer things so why should a company like NewTek, or anyone else
> for that matter, worry about him shouting about being ignored??

I don't remember saying that I wasn't an expert in "computer things". I
don't know where you got that impression, but perhaps there are other
adgendas at work here which have nothing to do with my qualifications as
a writer or a computer reviwer. I am not a *hardware* expert if that's
what you mean, and perhaps this is where the misunderstanding comes
about. Benefit of the doubt, etc. Either way I'm not as technoplegic as
you would obviously have people believe. I don't just sit back and accept
such scathing criticism lying down, either.

[funny phone call dialogue deleted]

> I can just imagine the call to NewTek.........

Hardy har. I imagine a lot of phone calls with NewTek, that's the problem.

> C'mon Snouty, in this great wide world, you are like the rest of us out
> here and that means you don't even exist in NewTek's eyes. Maybe if
> reviewers would go and buy their software then we would start to read
> material that is more interesting and informative, rather than the usual
> bland british reporting that goes on in all the magazines.

Ahh, now you almost had a point there but you blew it at the last minute
by venting your spleen. I know about the big wide world, and for the
record I also know the date, the time, that Santa Claus is in fact an out
of work actor and which hemisphere of the Earth I live in. I'm not
responsible for my fellow reviewers, but I would have to say that's the
most pathetic kneejerk generalisation I've ever read on Usenet. I think
the really great writers we have on the staff of Computer Shopper, PCW,
PC Plus, and PC Pro would take issue with the accusation that all British
computer reporting is bland. So all US reviewers pay for everything they
review eh? Nah, I don't think so. As I have pointed out elsewhere I *do*
buy a lot of the software I review to allow me just the kind of
perspective you suggest I lack.

I don't write for computer magazines just to get free stuff, I'm not
*that* juvenile and I acutely resent the implication that I am. I am
foolish enough to believe I'm doing a good job, I have no illusions about
my stature in society either, as you intimated with your amusing skit on
my call to NewTek. I don't expect (or have ever recieved) preferential
treatment from NewTek or any other company. I've never used the phrase
"don't you know who I am?" in any context. I have to ask for the software
like anyone else, and more importantly give a concrete reason for asking
for it. But if they want their product reviewed then they'll send it to
me, and I can fill my column inches and get the job done, and everyone
goes home happy. If they don't want to send it, then that's okay.
Software is expensive, and I don't begrudge anyone not wanting to lash
out product to anyone who calls up. I'm not crushed if they don't send me
stuff, as apart from anything else that's not the point of the exersize.
I'll review something else. But what smarts with NewTek is that I
actually like their product an awful lot, and compared to a lot of other
3D programs I've seen lately it's still looking very good. (Refer: PC Pro
issue 19 May 96)

So, down to brass tacks, bucko. I dislike the tone of your post. Where do
you get off making all these sweeping generalisations about me, and in
fact all my British colleages, and based on what? Are you just taking
potshots at me because you feel like it? Or do you have something to back
this up? Or are you perhaps Jerry Pournelle hiding under an AOL Screen
Name? Now there's a guy that tests a lot of software.

Would any of the software companies who are reading this whose software I
have reviewed like to chip in at this point to say how elated/aggreived
they are about having to send out software or tutorial tapes or whatever?
Are software reviews good publicity? Are reviewers just out to get free
software? Does a good or bad review affect sales in any way? Does a
review of a US product in a UK magazine affect the product's performance
in the UK? Seriously, I'd be interested to hear the answers to some of
those questions.

And by the way, only my friends call me snouty.

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From: Rafe Purnell <[e-mail]>
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Have you tried networking the 2 machines together, and using slip and
some shareware nfs and ftp software.

I remember when I had my 600 and 4000 they networked great down the
serial or the parrallel ports.

I don't think the pc will let you use the parrallel but the serial
should let you slip it no problem.

The pc has plenty of the same shareware stuff around.


Regards darkeye.

PS: I could do you with the software your after, but have been unable
to find it as yet.



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Me too please !!!!!


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Nate Hayes wrote:
>
> Ken Geary wrote:
> >
> > DOes anyone know if the PVR WITH daughtercard will fit in a DELL
> > Pentium Pro 200 (XPS pro200)?  Is there room for a full size Seagate
> > Barracuda 4GB AV internal? thanks.
>
> I wasn't able to fit the PVR into my Dell XPS P133c minitower chasis.
> There was only ONE PCI slot that had enough room for the PVR with it's
> doughtercard attached, and, as luck would have it, there was a metal "L"
> brace under the motherboard at the slot which prevented me from being
> able to push the card all the way down into the slot. I would have had
> to cut off about 1/4" of the PVR metal lip with a hack-saw to get it in.
> I tried later with a PCI riser and this worked, although it took lot's
> of rubber-bands and string to suspend the card securely. In short, it
> problably *will* fit. But ya might have to make some adjustments.
>
> As for the Barracuda drives... yes, you could fit one, possibly two of
> these inside the chassis but I would strongly recommend not doing so.
> The Barracuda drives generate lots of heat, and I'd worry about that.
> For about $100 I bought a full-height external drive chassis for my
> computer. It fits two Conner CFP4207W 4.28 Gig drives in there perfectly
> (and would do the same for your 4 Gig Seagates), plus the drives now
> have thier own power supply and cooling system.
>
> Nate
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Thanks for the info.

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Ben Cannon wrote:
> PCs running WindozeNT replacing UNIX, just what thecomputer industry needs, another market
> segment dominated by Bill Gates.  Compared to IRIX, NT is a toy OS.
> Ben Cannon. [e-mail]

    I take exception to that. I come from a very varied background and I can get mighty ticked when someone
flames NT because it is made by Gates. NT is a vastly superior operating system compared to anything out there. It
does everything UNIX does (Up to RPC) and more. It does it in a smaller footprint and it uses a very well known
API (OpenGL, Win32) It runs on a variety of hardware and and only needs a recompile to run native. (Recompiles
from Intel to Alpha are seamless!) It also has a higher security level attributed to it than most UNIX systems by
the department of defense. The only contender to NT technically is not UNIX but OS/2. Problem is I can't get OS/2
apps. END OF STORY. I don't want ot get into another MY OS vs. Your OS war. Because of this I will not respond to
follow-ups. I just had to mention this because not everything Mr. Bill makes is bad. (I hope not; he just had a
daughter ;-) )

    Hajo

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MarcMylar wrote:
> Why are you so sure that "Britt" was created by 3rd Dimension
> Technologies?  Isn't there the *slightest* possibility that that this
> isn't a spam testimonial?
> Devil's Advocate,
> Marc

    Sorry to the devil's advocate. It looks that the poster was right. After I read the post I thought that this
was rather paranoisd thinking so I decided to reply and ask Britt. (I was also interested in a photograph modeller).
My mail got bounced back as an unknown user. Now there were no typos in the address (I replied to mail from the
original post). I consider it pretty stupid as a marketing trick. They could at least have given people who do the
testimonial thing a real E-mail address. Well; they lost a sale on me; I downloaded the photomodeller LX beta
([e-mail]) and am impressed by this nifty program. And once the full version is out it'll be $99
instead of $500.

    Hajo

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Ken Geary wrote:
>
> Nate Hayes wrote:
> >
> > Ken Geary wrote:
> > >
> > > DOes anyone know if the PVR WITH daughtercard will fit in a DELL
> > > Pentium Pro 200 (XPS pro200)?  Is there room for a full size Seagate
> > > Barracuda 4GB AV internal? thanks.
> >
> > I wasn't able to fit the PVR into my Dell XPS P133c minitower chasis.
> > There was only ONE PCI slot that had enough room for the PVR with it's
> > doughtercard attached, and, as luck would have it, there was a metal "L"
> > brace under the motherboard at the slot which prevented me from being
> > able to push the card all the way down into the slot. I would have had
> > to cut off about 1/4" of the PVR metal lip with a hack-saw to get it in.
> > I tried later with a PCI riser and this worked, although it took lot's
> > of rubber-bands and string to suspend the card securely. In short, it
> > problably *will* fit. But ya might have to make some adjustments.
> >

I have a Dell XPS P166c and didn't have any trouble fitting PVR w/ Daughter in.  With the riser I
have it the the 1st. PCI slot so the daughter card hangs over an ISA slot and part of the
Processor. I have a Millenium video card in the one half length PCI slot which is the last slot on
the board and have 2 full length PCI slots inbetween.

Tony

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From: [e-mail] (Bill Leonard)
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In article <4mdrn5$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
() wrote:

>  [e-mail] (Bill Leonard) writes:
>
> |>
> |>>                       -=Fred=-
> |>>     Feature Film Animator Using LIGHTWAVE at Digital Domain
> |>>             (perhaps you've heard of it?)
> |>
> |>Fred -
> |>
> |>Why are you so protective of Lightwave??  Have you ever even really used
> |>anything else (not _seen_, but _used_).
> |>
> |>Bill Leonard - [e-mail]
> |>cyber.lab g.f.x.
> |>Orlando, Florida
> |>
>   Bill,
>  If I recall there was a time you were just as protective of the MAC! WHY ?
>  For starters this is the LW list. Yuo could well expect people to favor LW.
>  Then you get others in here spouting the greatness of MAX, Alias and human
>  nature takes over. I Wonder what program all the alias users that have the
>  benefit of using it at work would use if THEY had to come up with the
>  money for these systems out of their pocket.

I did pay for it out of my pocket.

> Lets say, What 3D programs
>  in the $1500.00 or less range are sutiable for production work? To compare
>  LW to programs costing 2X, 4X, or 10X is really a compliment to LW.
>I like LW, don't give a
>  crap about 3DS, MAx, or alias. Why? because to me 3D is a hobby,

That's the problem with most of the people in this group.. they're
hobbiests and they forget that fact...

>If you want to compare Alias and LW do it on the
>  features for the buck scale to keep it fair .

Alias Animator can now be had for around $2.5k.

heck you can now get a full blown R5000 180MHz Indy, 64MB RAM, 2GB disk,
24-bit color, Alias PowerAnimator, Photoshop, Illustrator, etc... for
$16k, and that's no joke.

LW is "the best hobbiests 3D tool" but for real production film work,
sorry, you need more speed, and sure, you can toss more Amiga's at it or
what not, but thehn that blurs the whole (artificial) price advantage,
doesn't it?

Bill Leonard - [e-mail]
cyber.lab g.f.x.
Orlando, Florida

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From: [e-mail] (Noam Ben-Ami)
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Ben Cannon <[e-mail]> writes:
>>Why are you spending the money when
>>you aren't getting more value for the dollar??

>Go ahead, just TRY and manipulate a complex 3-diminsional goroud shaded, textured, and
>lit object, in real time, at a decent framerate on a PC. :)  4+ year oldSGI Indigos can do
>that. ;)

Bullshit. My SGI2Extreme with 128 megs of memory can't do that. You need SGIs expensive
graphics accelerators, which aren't standard on the Indys or Indigos we have here. Fave
it, SGIs are cool, but at the entry level professional animator level, they're useless.

>PCs running WindozeNT replacing UNIX, just what thecomputer industry needs, another market
>segment dominated by Bill Gates.  Compared to IRIX, NT is a toy OS.

Not really.
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Leonard)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 10:03:58 +0100
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In article <4mj9hk$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Stranahan) wrote:

> I'm sorry, but I think it's very fair - the Industry works on a budget,
> period. LightWave and other reasonably priced tools offer more bang for
> the buck, period. You can simply do more, cheaper. If anyone doubts this,
> put out a bid to a Alias company and a LightWave company. I know which one
> can give you more for your money. I know that the right LightWave artist,
> and there are a few of them, can deliver anything - and I mean ANYTHING -
> the Alias artist can, on an equivilent budget. You don't think so? You
> don't know the right artists....

Lee, you just contradicted yourself in the same message!!!

"LightWave and other reasonably priced tools offer more bang for
> the buck, period. You can simply do more, cheaper."

and then...

"...the right LightWave artist,
> and there are a few of them, can deliver anything - and I mean ANYTHING -
> the Alias artist can, on an equivilent budget."

So what do you mean?

LW doesn't have the speed... and if you get more machines to stack up,
that blurs the whole cost thing.

Sorry.

Bill Leonard - [e-mail]
cyber.lab g.f.x.
Orlando, Florida

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Powell)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: 5.0 Intel install oddities
Date: 7 May 1996 08:42:38 GMT
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    Hi all....

    P120 running W95...

    Installing LW5.0 over/in my existing newtek directory yielded
    a *immense* number of file copy errors...

    The error message was quite generic... not indicating the actual
    difficulty, but my suspicion is that all of the errors concern
    writing over existing files (from 4.0).  I had to press the
    'proceed' buttion 6*10^18th times or so to get past all of the
    errors...

    What gives?  (BTW, 5.0 is working... so the programs installed,
    it just seems to be the content with all the problems!)

    arrrgh...

    BTW, what happened to the 32-bit vs. 16-bit content directories?

    Thanks for the info!

    -mp-

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Date: 7 May 1996 15:42:47 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
: I have not been getting any mail from the LW Mailing List [e-mail].
: - Have they moved to a new location?
: Can anyone tell me where have they moved too. I read somewhere that they where
: moving to tomahawk. Please email me there new location.

The mailing list was moved over a couple weeks ago.  The subscriber list SHOULD have been moved over but perhaps a few address got lost during the transfer.

To subscribe tot he moved LightWave3D mailing list, send e-mail to:
[e-mail]
In the body of the message, include either
subscribe lightwave
or
subscribe lightwave-digest

It's been a bumpy road dispite the hard work Keith has put in (thanks a billion, Keith!  You're providing a great service to us all!) but I have all the confidence in the world that these things will be overcome and forgotten.  :)

(Darn VI editor...  :) )
Dan


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From: [e-mail] (Martin van Es)
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In article <[e-mail]>, LonerSam <[e-mail]> wrote:
>It seems that the rev. D (4.04) of LW Intel isn't
>compatible with NT service pack 4.
>
>After updating the modeler, I trya launch it but
>there's message:
>
>Cannot Run Program
>
>Anyone has the same problem?
>
I run NT 3.51 SP4 and installed rev D. No problems whatsoever....
What I did discover is that the update batch-file transfers some files from
one directory to another, so that Pennelo lite didn't work fine in the first
place. After looking in de .log file I found out it was looking for some files
in the wrong directory, changed and fixed it. Maybe you should inspect the log
file too?

Good luck!

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From: [e-mail] (steve)
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Date: 7 May 1996 16:11:34 GMT
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>We are seriously considering getting rid of all of our expensive apps.
After
>all, each image is just a bunch of pixels.  Heck.  The paint program that
came
>with Windows can edit a stinkin' pixel.  It just takes a little more
patience.
>
   Yeah I think people are going to realize that Softimage and Alias are just
alot of marketing hooie and go back to a more pure art form.  All those
shortcuts are just cheating with science.  Thanks for the tip, I will just
paint pixels from on.  Luckily I got a free Cubicomp buffer when I bought
Cubicomp, so it wasn't a complete waste of $0.50.

all hail discordia,
steve


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Hi,

Can anyone tell me what openGL exactly means. I have read that LW5.0 supports openGL.
What does this mean, I have a Matrox Millinium with LW4.0. Just what benefits would
I get with LW5 over LW4.
TIA
Don...


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[e-mail] (Noam Ben-Ami) writes:
>Bullshit. My SGI2Extreme with 128 megs of memory can't do that. You need SGIs
>expensive graphics accelerators, which aren't standard on the Indys or Indigos
>we have here. Fave it, SGIs are cool, but at the entry level professional
>animator level, they're useless.

True, they're pretty much out of reach for anyone on the entry level, but that
holds true for *all* markets (even agriculture).  However, if you can afford
it, nothing beats the top-of-the-line SGI (Onyx, Challenge series, etc.).  At
the low end (and now rapidly approaching the mid-range), PCs are becoming
quite competitive, but keep in mind the best PC (Alpha, dual PPro, whatever)
is still only mid-range when compared to SGI.

>>segment dominated by Bill Gates.  Compared to IRIX, NT is a toy OS.

>Not really.

I'll agree with Noam, here.  IRIX is just a fancy version of Unix, and NT is a
rather decent OS, especially considering it comes from the same people who
brought us Win95.


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Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 09:11:57 -0500
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Larry J. Jacobs wrote:
>  Where would I be if every software manufacturer decided to protect
> their copyrights via the DONGLE! It's a cheap-charlie solution at the expense
> of the legitimate user. The thiefs still end up with it because nuttin's
> uncrackable! The providers need a more elegant solution.
>

I agree: re: dongles.

My copy of Martin Hash's 3D Animation has a unique copy protection
system that doesn't require a dongle: you have to have the CD-ROM loaded
when you first start the program. If you don't, the program won't start.
If you do, the program starts and then you can replace the CD-ROM with
any other CD-ROM you want.

I really like this method of copy protection vrs. having a dongle.

Nate

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From: Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>
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Bill Leonard <[e-mail]> wrote:
: In article <4mj9hk$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
: (Stranahan) wrote:
: > and there are a few of them, can deliver anything - and I mean ANYTHING -
: > the Alias artist can, on an equivilent budget. You don't think so? You
: > don't know the right artists....


: LW doesn't have the speed... and if you get more machines to stack up,
: that blurs the whole cost thing.

Speed is relative. There are so many issues here, that you need to be
an expert in Alias and LW to comprehend the real differences.

There's tools, interface design and flexibility, interactivity, rendering,
types of morphs, whether you can build mathematical expressions into
objects and hierarchies without being a programmer, whether you can
use NURGS/patches directly in the animation interface (simpler objects
with fewer control points/vertices), how you handle say, the shoulder on
a character with a single skin, hierarchy compensation when detaching
and reattaching things hierarchically. The list isn't infinite, but it's
pretty long.

: Sorry.

: Bill Leonard - [e-mail]
: cyber.lab g.f.x.
: Orlando, Florida

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From: [e-mail] (Sergio Rosas)
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A while ago I saw a post about Beta testing for Layout BML.
Ofcourse i didn't save the mesage,
If anyone still has it, could you please forward it to me.

thanks,

Sergio Rosas
[e-mail]

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Bill Leonard <[e-mail]> wrote:
: In article <4mdrn5$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
: >  nature takes over. I Wonder what program all the alias users that have the
: >  benefit of using it at work would use if THEY had to come up with the
: >  money for these systems out of their pocket.

: I did pay for it out of my pocket.

: >If you want to compare Alias and LW do it on the
: >  features for the buck scale to keep it fair .

Fair is not the issue. That Alias cost 20x more with perhaps 25% more functionality
is not the issue. That 25% is the difference between doing jobs that are
cutting edge today and jobs that were cutting edge in 1991.

: Alias Animator can now be had for around $2.5k.

Yeah, but it's a brain dead version. Nothing but the full blown Power Animator
holds Alias' full advantage. I think their discount packages are basically
a come-on or bait-and-switch tactic.

: heck you can now get a full blown R5000 180MHz Indy, 64MB RAM, 2GB disk,
: 24-bit color, Alias PowerAnimator, Photoshop, Illustrator, etc... for
: $16k, and that's no joke.

Without hardware acceleration. And the Alias PA that comes with that deal,
as I understand it, is missing critical functionality. If I remember
correctly, it doesn't have IK.

: LW is "the best hobbiests 3D tool" but for real production film work,
: sorry, you need more speed, and sure, you can toss more Amiga's at it or
: what not, but thehn that blurs the whole (artificial) price advantage,
: doesn't it?

There's certainly real production work you can do with LW. But most
catagories of feature work that I've seen are beyond LW. Except may stuff
like an axe flying at the camera, blowing buildings up (on the first cut
of the frame), and things where critical camera matching (on moving camera
shots), light matching, characters not sliding their feet, motion matching,
etc, aren't an issue.

For the record, I know people who have I2Extremes with full blown PA
who bought them on time and pay around $3K per quarter, maybe a bit more.
Got them in the game for some really top notch work.

: Bill Leonard - [e-mail]
: cyber.lab g.f.x.
: Orlando, Florida

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Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
Date: 7 May 1996 10:38:00 -0700
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[e-mail] wrote:
: On 5/6/96 9:51AM, in message <4mlalm$[e-mail]>, Steph
: Greenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:


: > I'm sorry, but while there are jobs that people use Alias for when
: > Lightwave would be adaquate, LW would not be economical for jobs where
: > Alias IK and effects tools are superior and easier to access.
: >
: > And if price was always
: > the object, ILM would be out of business, since they are the most
: > expensive effects company *in* the business.

: ILM is not turning a regular profit and never has.  George needs them though so
: he keeps them in business.
: --
:                       -=Fred=-

If this weren't so ridiculous, it would be funny. Practically the only thing
Lucas has is ILM. And since it's a privatly held company (I think), he doesn't have
to show a profit, and it is to his tax disadvantage to do so. ILM reinvests
much of its income, which reduces paper profits, but they *do* turn a profit.
A company that consistently loses money doesn't stay in business for
over 15 years.

Now DD also doesn't appear to turn a profit. But that could be a way
of manipulating Cameron's employment relations. Again, a privately held
company, so their numbers are suspicious.

In any case, when people want uncompromising quality in their effects,
they always turn to ILM first.

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From: Paul Toohey <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Lightwave 5.0
Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 09:36:48 -0700
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Just received and installed 5.0 and am very pleased so far. But!! In
layout when creating a scene using an object of the letter "H" created
in modeler using Front Page Bold font, I experienced a problem with the
lower half filling in with a triangle shape on the right side. I had
used the same font on LW 4.0 earlier in the AM with no problem. Had to
construct the letter to finish the scene. Has anyone else seen this
problem? Appreciate any help.

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[e-mail] (Stuart Ferguson) wrote:

> This is consistent with the "E" and "T" buttons in Layout.  You
> can remove an envelope or texture by shift-clicking the "E" or "T"
> buttons without having to enter the panel.

Cool.  I never knew that either.

   - steve

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From: Jean-Eric Hénault <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: LW 5.0 Pricing
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Stranahan wrote:
>
> Safe Harbor's posted prices of
>
> >LightWave 5.0 Intel                     $1179.00
> >LightWave Upgrade 4.0 To 5.0 Intel      $ 479.00
>
> This points up the problem with some people's reasoning on the pricing for
> the upgrade. They reasoned that because the price of 5.0 had been raised
> $495 and the price of the upgrade was $495, it was pretty much even. This
> doesn't take into account discounting. Unless you paid less than $700 for
> LW4.0, you end up paying more than those new to the market with 5.0.
>
> This is not to say that this is the worst thing in the world. Obviously,
> if you bought 4.0 you've had use of the product, and that's worth
> something. But NewTek is charging as much as they can, and so it's not a
> great deal either. The thing you can't say is that 'NewTek always takes of
> it's user base.' That's clearly a secondary consideration at this point.
>
> _____________________________________________
> Lee Stranahan
>
> "I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
> for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
> Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm
>
> Lee's Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm

Anyone knows where we can find actual pictures of LW 5.0 new interface ?
NewTek doesn't seem to even know they have a Web page... it hasn't been
updated for months now. Shame on them...

They must have hired the marketing guys from the former Commodore...
they must... ;`-)

Jean-Eric Hénault

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From: Lyle Milton <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: LW is an Island
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[e-mail] (steve) wrote:
---snip---
>I get the impression that LW is sort of an island.  I would like to see
>NewTek take the best of other apps and implement/improve/evolve/sythesize
>what they can (in addition to doing their own unique thing of course).  After
>working for awhile with AfterEffects I can see how I as developer would take
>a good look at their Timeline - one of the best ways for keyframing/f-cruve
>editing I have seen- and adapt it for 3D. But its seems to be another world
>here.  When you point out how cool another app is for having a certain
>feature LWers start getting defensive.  If I said I liked Max because of
>TrackView, you are more likely to hear someone respond by saying "well Max's
>renderer sucks" than saying "hmm yeah some good ideas lets take its good
>points and make it better".

--snip--

I think you are right, some people do take things too personally.  But on the flip
side, most people who post news about another program's features slam LightWave and
NewTek.

Pointing out cool features is one thing; but making it seem like a company is
dragging it's feet in adding new features is another.

-Lyle Milton
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From: [e-mail](William Teegarden)
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>
>I get the impression that LW is sort of an island.  I would like to
see
>NewTek take the best of other apps and
implement/improve/evolve/sythesize
>what they can (in addition to doing their own unique thing of course).
 After
>working for awhile with AfterEffects I can see how I as developer
would take
>a good look at their Timeline - one of the best ways for
keyframing/f-cruve
>editing I have seen- and adapt it for 3D. But its seems to be another
world
>here.  When you point out how cool another app is for having a certain

>feature LWers start getting defensive.  If I said I liked Max because
of
>TrackView, you are more likely to hear someone respond by saying "well
Max's
>renderer sucks" than saying "hmm yeah some good ideas lets take its
good
>points and make it better".
>
>This is just a generalized observation, don't take it personally.
>
>
>steve
>

That is very true.  Many LWer's here get very defensive when someone
suggests that another program my have a better implementation than LW
does, and immediatley point out the flaws in the other program.  LW has
PLENTY of room for improvment, starting with certain situations and
circumstances in the renderer. I've used the software almost every
working day for the last 3 years, and have watched it go from 2.0 beta
to the current 5.0 release, and had a hand in it's development, and I
can say that it has come a very long way, but there is still much work
to be done.  I have full confidence though that it will become the
software of choice among all digital artists in the near future.

GT


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In <4mm0dc$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Matt. ) writes:
>
>Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>InstntGuts <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>: experience with Alias, for example, still think 3D Studio is
"good"...but
>>: it aint!...>
>
>>: ...in your opinion. Your first statement should answer your last

>
>Now, hardware use to make a differance, but some of the new 3d
>accelerator boards are closing that gap.  The new Glint chip cards are
>doing more than a SGI Iris2 is.  Why are you spending the money when
>you aren't getting more value for the dollar??


Interesting point about the hardware.  SGI has lost almost all of it's
luster in this regard.  An Alpha EV5 with a fast openGL card will run
rings around ANY SGI workstaion, even the new Impact workstation.  And
it costs about half as much.

SGI's approach to the workstaion market is to give the artist a
computer with a relativley slow CPU, but fast graphics, on the
assumption that when it comes time to render, you will purchase one of
their big expensive servers with multiple CPUs.  The competition has
instead offered graphics that are just as fast, but with a CPU that has
the render power of up to six MIPS chips, or that of an Onyx; but at a
fraction of the cost.

GT


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From: [e-mail] (John Dowdell)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 12:47:15 -0800
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In article <4mm84v$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Kreg
Branden) wrote:

> [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) wrote:
>
>
> >I never used AdPro on the Amiga so I don't know how much CorelDraw 6.0
really
> >compares, but I spent some time this weekend using its built-in
> >scripting/programming language.  I was able to batch process a bunch of LW
> >images through one of its (the Corel Paint program) filters.  It took me a
> >little while to get it done since I'm not a programmer, but it really isn't
> >that tough.  If you are going to re-use the script, you can even build a
> >requestor to take user input.  There is a recorder built into the Paint
> >program that makes getting some command sequence easy.  Just record the
> >command sequences.  Save the recording as a script file.  Then past the
> >command sequence into a program that will do the batch processing.  Once you
> >create a batch routine, making modifications is pretty quick.
>
> >I wish Photoshop had a feature like this.
>
>   I've recently become aware of Macromedia's Xres.  I've only scene a
> demo and havn't used it, but it looks mighty interesting.  From what
> I've seen it's basically Photoshop (even uses Photoshop filters) but
> it also does batch and has some resolution independant features...
>   Does anyone here actual have (and/or use) this program?
>


Uhm, I've used it. <Watch out, he's a vendor! <g>>  Am not sure if we'd
lower signal-to-noise by discussing painting/imaging here, so if this is
inappropriate, just holler, okay?

Macromedia xRes 2.0, for Mac and Win, specializes in high-speed
manipulation of high-res files in moderate RAM. It does so by selective
processing of the display, and a post-processing rendering step upon the
full image data. You can easily manipulate over 100M of image data in less
than 30M real RAM, and do it very quickly, too.

It does this by building a multi-res image file of your source images.
This is sort of like a mipmapped texture map in 3D graphics. During
design, all operations are performed only upon the pixels currently on
screen. These instructions are stored for later post-processing upon the
entire image.

You can zoom in and out, all the way down to the actual pixels. This is
how xRes differs from a pure proxy system. Previous pixel operations will
need to be reapplied to a new view, so if you filter and then zoom in then
the filter will be applied again, but these changes, once processed, are
cached to disk for speedy access later. At any stage you can render the
composition or individual objects, which "collapses" these instructions
and brings you back to fast zooming.

There is no batch-processing per se, although this is on the wishlist for
a future version. It does, however, batch-convert files between formats.
This is useful if you wish to convert a directory of 80M TIFFs to the
high-speed multi-res .LRG format, or if you wish to render out a number of
multi-object compositions to final TGA or whatever.

The interface to xRes is similar to Photoshop... easy to pick up. Multiple
object layers are analogous to, but stronger than, multiple layers in
Photoshop -- each object in xRes has its own set of alpha channels, its
own undo buffers, and you can manipulate multiple objects at once. Normal
image-processing operations such as curves, levels, CMYK/RGB are all
available, and third-party Photoshop filters can be used if the internal
memory models do not load all image data into RAM at once. If you know
Photoshop, you can quickly use xRes... if working on high-res files then
be sure to study the workflow strategies in the docs first, though.

xRes also includes realworld brushing and texturing capabilities... very
strong here. xRes sort of lies between Photoshop, Painter, and Live
Picture -- each of the three has abilities not present in xRes, but xRes
brings natural painting of high-res files and full image-processing all
into a single app.

That's the story in a nutshell on xRes. It's a cool tool, and I enjoy it
greatly... am especially happy because it's a lifesaver for those doing
high-res files. It is *not* yet suitable for animation, only for stills.
The Mac version has gotten great reviews since its release in January, and
the Windows version is at the pressing plant this week. You can get a demo
version for the Mac on the Macromedia Showcase CD at 800 326 2128 or the
Macromedia website, and the PC version's demo will be on the next rev of
the Showcase towards summer.

(btw, if the original poster was looking to apply pixel filters upon
multiple images, then you can do that in Director 5.0, for Mac or Win...
if doing many at once, or if doing animation of filter settings on a
single image, then you may need to save changes during the process
depending on image size vs RAM. Director may be overkill if that's the
only task required, however.)

Shoot me now if this was too off-topic! <g>  But xRes a great imaging
tool, and if you need it, then you _really_ need it... the above's the
background you requested.

jd









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From: [e-mail] (Jan Bottorff)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.multimedia,rec.video,comp.compression,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: I Need a Motion JPEG clip for research purpose
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In article <4ma0ft$[e-mail]>,
>But it should be possible to decode all types of MJPEG-AVIs with software,
>e.g. for making a PD MPEG converter. I've done so for my FPS60 AVIs. The
>program also works with the Mire DC20 AVIs as both use the same chipset.

There is a Win32 software M-JPEG codec on my web site at
http://www.pmatrix.com.

I'd say the ability to convert "all types of MJPEG-AVI's" would be really
hard, as some vendors do unpleasant things. For example, one vendor generated
streams with the tag length values all 2 bytes too short. I could imagine
someone using a non-standard huffman table, and not inserting it in the data
stream, that would be a show stopper.

Converting many popular formats is much easier. The software codec I refered
to can read process streams from a number of hardware boards. Writing
compatable streams is a bit trickier, as some hardware REQUIRES specific
things. For example, Miro DC20's REQUIRE padding between interlaced fields.
The M-JPEG spec say's this padding is allowed, but certainly not required.

- Jan


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From: [e-mail] (Gord Davison)
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia,rec.video.desktop,comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.rendering.misc,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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Neteru <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Adam Ives Chrystie wrote:
>>
>> In <[e-mail]> "Jeffrey D. Hoffman" <[e-mail]> writes:
>>
>> >http://www.sharbor.com
>> >[phone]
>>
>> >LightWave 5.0 Intel                     $1179.00
>> >LightWave 5.0 Intel for School/Govt     $ 715.00
>> >LightWave Upgrade 4.0 To 5.0 Intel      $ 479.00
>>
>> You forgot this:
>>
>> LightWave Upgrade from 4.0 to 5.0 for school/gov $295
>> --
>> ----------------------------------
>> Adam Chrystie LightWave 3D Animator
>> Cinema/Video Major, Senior
>> University Of California at Santa Cruz
>
>Are there any cross platform upgrades? From Amiga 4.0 to Intel 5.0?

I know I'm pushing my luck here, since LW is a very good value for the money,
but is there a competitve upgrade offer from other competing packages? My company
has a few licenses of "other" 3D software [as well as several LW licenses], so
I was just wondering.

TIA,

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From: [e-mail] (Tom Dawson)
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Hey There! I remember Cubicomp!!! They were cutting edge guys (many
years ago). A better comparison might be VideoScape 3D vs Cubicomp.
But then again, neither of those are around any more.....


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Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]> writes:
>If this weren't so ridiculous, it would be funny. Practically the only thing
>Lucas has is ILM. And since it's a privatly held company (I think), he doesn't

Not to go *too* far off subject, but doesn't Lucas also own Skywalker Sound?
(Unless I'm mistaken and it's just a subdivision of ILM.)


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Walter (Jay) Turberville wrote:
>We are seriously considering getting rid of all of our expensive apps.
>After all, each image is just a bunch of pixels.  Heck.  The paint program
>that came with Windows can edit a stinkin' pixel.  It just takes a little
>more patience.

[e-mail] (VirtualBri) wrote:
>Applications with tools are for wimps.  We'll just be coding everything
>from scratch from now on.  On punchcards.
>--Brian

Software? Punchcards? Electricity? Luxury! All I need is a piece of metal
and a screwdriver... actually, all I _really_ need is a stone knife and a
bearskin. Anything else is just extraneous. [Had enough?]

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From: [e-mail] (Noam Ben-Ami)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: openGL
Date: 7 May 1996 20:30:17 GMT
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leelee <[e-mail]> writes:

>Hi,

>Can anyone tell me what openGL exactly means. I have read that LW5.0 supports openGL.
>What does this mean, I have a Matrox Millinium with LW4.0. Just what benefits would
>I get with LW5 over LW4.
>TIA
>Don...


What openGL essentially is is a library of routines for creating two-dimensional and
three-dimensional graphics, with a strong emphassis on three-dimensional graphics. It
provides a programming interface (technically: "Application Programming Interface", or
API) that programmers can use to quickly develop graphics applications which will run
on any platform that supports openGL. The functionality provided by openGL is pretty
decent, with multiple light source support, shading, various polygon creation algorithms,
automatic creation of normals, support for mipmapping and texture mapping, fog, antialiasing,
easy support event handling (e.g. mouse clicks, mouse drags) and so on. OpenGL supposedly
allows lightwave 5.0 to do a lot more things in shaded/rendered mode. I'm not going to
comment on the specifics since I haven't even ordered my copy of 5.0 yet.
IMHO, the most important reason for OpenGL support is that 3D graphics hardware can now
accelerate lightwave transformations/simple rendering (shading, lighting, fog, and so
on.) This is a huge step towards providing the functionality of an SGI with its geometry
engines on an affordable machine.

Hope I have cleared things up a tiny bit.
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Steph Greenberg ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] wrote:
: : On 5/6/96 8:08PM, in message <4mmes3$[e-mail]>, Ben Cannon
: : <[e-mail]> wrote:

: : > as should a R10000 processor, all for about $10,000 loaded. This is fairly
: : > feasable, as chip costs come down)

: : First of all, you won't be able to get a loaded R10000 machine for $10,000.  In
: : fact, if SGI sold beer, YOU couldn't even get loaded for $10,000.  Also, sorry,
: : but the R10000 is still SLOWER than the current Alphas.  But thanks for playing.

: Um, yes and no. The *chip* is faster, but I'm not sure if any of the Alphas
: has a full speed 64 bit bus (PCI is 32 bit) or a true 64 bit OS (fewer clock
: cycles) or 64 bit memory. Not that all SGI software takes advantage of all
: that, but most of the 3D software does, and you really notice the difference
: when interacting with large scenes.

  DEC's unix OS has been 64 bit since the alpha was introduced.

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On Mon  6-May-1996  6:00p, Chuck Baker wrote:
CB> On Thu  2-May-1996 23:03 , Mark Dunakin wrote:
CB> MD> On Wed  1-May-1996  3:59p, djmccoy wrote:
CB> MD> d> Sam Edsall ([e-mail]) wrote:
CB> MD> d> : Do you know of any ftp or web sites that have lightwave objects
CB> to
CB> MD> d> download?

CB> MD> d> Check out tomahawk.grandi.com (via FTP), your one stop LightWave3D
CB> MD> shop.
CB> MD> d> :)
CB> MD> ------------
CB> MD> You mean, your one stop if you own an Amiga or if, by some slim chance
CB> you
CB> MD> are able to find a LHA translater. I wish that they had more zip
CB> files.


CB> At ftp.newtek.com, directory Utils, we have the following:  lha.exe, an
CB> MS-DOS
CB> lha executable, lha.zip, which is the same executable plus docs,
CB> LHANT.EXE,
CB> which is an LHA executable for Intel, Win NT.
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OK :) Thanx, I'll check it out as soon as I get my machine back from the shop.
I thought the last time I had looked there I didn't see anything, but maybe I
just missed it. So I'll go back and check it out....thanx again....md





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Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]> writes:

>There's certainly real production work you can do with LW. But most
>catagories of feature work that I've seen are beyond LW. Except may stuff
>like an axe flying at the camera, blowing buildings up (on the first cut
>of the frame), and things where critical camera matching (on moving camera
>shots), light matching, characters not sliding their feet, motion matching,
>etc, aren't an issue.

What are you TALKING about? I've seen people do incredible work with lightwave,
from Space:Above and Beyond, to the great character animation of the M&Ms
commercials, to some stuff that a friend of mine who is a LW artist does for
a games company, like explosions, lightnings, game characters on so on.

LW is certainly capable of incredible work. Ok, the best Alias stuff I've seen
is significantly than the best LW stuff. 90% of the reason for this, though,
is that those alias-generated animations are done on massive budgets, by
highly paid animators working on extremely capable, extremely expensive hardware,
with significant support from other artists and programmers.

I think that a wonderfully competitive animation company based solely on Lightwave,
with a good render farm (say 10-30 pentium pros with 64-128 megs each), a bunch
of very high speed Alpha machines for modeling/testing, and some extra hardware,
could be put together.
What would make it really competitive, however, is the makeup of the animation
team, which would have at least 1 industrial designer, at least 1 experienced
2D animator/painter, several experienced 3D animators, and at least 1 excellent
programmer to write custom plug-ins or scripts for doing complex stuff in lightwave,
such as unusual particle effects, algorithmic modeling routines/tools, et cetera.
This group could probably take on the biggest houses with quite a bit of confidence.

::sigh:: Anyone want to form this company with me? Pie in the Sky Productions, I
guess it would have to be called. Welp, we can all dream.


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From: Adam HODSON <[e-mail]>
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Subject: LW Object Request
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I would be very interested in obtaining LW objects associated with
Blake's 7. I am particularly after a LW object of the 'Liberator'.
I have LW3.5 running on an Amiga 1200.

Can anybody help?

Many, many thanks

From,
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I am a very new user to Lightwave (had the package for a while but never
used it!). I lost my manuals in a recent move and do not know how I can
get them replaced?

I have used Imagine V2.0 in the past and I have a very simple question
regarding LW V3.5 on the Amiga;

I have a background image (std ILBM). I have a mirror or chrome ball.
How can I get the background image to reflect in the ball? This problem
applies itself to a lot of renderings I plan to do i.e. a star backround
reflected in a passing spaceship, etc, etc.

I realise that this may be a fundamental question to all you advanced
users, but I am a beginner and I could not find an answer in the FAQ.

Cheers,
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From: [e-mail] (MicroTech)
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Subject: Re: Rotoscoping
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On 06-May-96 17:43:40, Matt Bauer ([e-mail]) posted:


>>On 05-May-96 16:41:28, Matt Bauer ([e-mail]) posted:

>>> I just did an animation with a sequence of tga's being rotoscoped on
>>> an array of boxes. I rendered it through screamernet on two machines.
>>> A P150 and a 486. The animation looked very jerky, as if frames were
>>> being dropped. I went in and looked at each individual frame and found
>>> that the sequence was not being mapped in order. It would jump back a
>>> few frames every so often. I deleted all the frames and started over
>>> using just the pentium for rendering and this fixed the problem. I was
>>> using the 486 as job1. Could this have anything to do with it? Any
>>> clues? Thanks for any ideas.

>>Screamernet will not have the machines render in perfect sequential
>>order. This is because even if you had identical machines, they would
>>STILL not be in perfect 'sync' with each other. When you have different
>>machines with widely varying performance characteristics, you'll end up
>>with your P150 doing frame 1 and the 486 doing frame 2, then the P150
>>will do frames 3-8, the 486 frame 9, etc. If you're recording to a DDR
>>like PVR, the order in which the frames are saved is the order in which
>>they'll be recorded. So in this scenario, the frames recorded would be
>>1,3,4,5,6,7,8,2,9,11,10,12,13,14, etc.

> The final frames were being stored on a shared drive, which would
> later be dumped to a PVR. It looks as if the rotoscoped images were
> not being used in the right order. The object which was being mapped,
> had the correct motion, with no jumps. The jumps were only in the
> sequence of tga's. I believe SN assigns image #x to frame #x unless
> told otherwise. Even though the P150 was ahead, it would seem that it
> would use the related image file for any particular frame. The only
> relation I see is this. The ending sequence never jumped ahead in the
> frames that I saw. It was always around three or four  frames back.
> The 486 was about 3 times slower. I have no ideas. Maybe it was just a
> bad day. I'm going to try it again with the P150 as Job1 and see what
> happens. Thanks for the reply.


There's also one other explanation, since my prior one did not fit your
circumstances. ;-)

When you have image sequences, if LW cannot find the image in the sequence
that it wants, it will automaticall look for one numbered one less, and
then one less than that, and so on, all the way back to 0, until it finds a
frame. Under certain circumstances, I've had network problems, and a remote
machine could not always get the images that it wanted, so it defaulted to
using a prior image in the sequence instead. I was having some network
conflicts, and while the 'local' machine had no trouble, the 'remote'
machines sometimes skipped over images in the sequence. In my case,
starting all the machines at once was the problem. They all wanted to load
the same images at once, and either the network or the file system on the
'server' system choked on having that many multiple 'open file' requests on
the same drive at once. Perhaps you're having something similar happen.

Regards,
John Crookshank
MicroTech

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> Interesting point about the hardware.  SGI has lost almost all of it's
> luster in this regard.  An Alpha EV5 with a fast openGL card will run
> rings around ANY SGI workstaion, even the new Impact workstation.  And
> it costs about half as much.
> SGI's approach to the workstaion market is to give the artist a
> computer with a relativley slow CPU, but fast graphics, on the
> assumption that when it comes time to render, you will purchase one of
> their big expensive servers with multiple CPUs.  The competition has
> instead offered graphics that are just as fast, but with a CPU that has
> the render power of up to six MIPS chips, or that of an Onyx; but at a
> fraction of the cost.

This is very true. This is why SGI is now offering bundles (similar to SI)
for between $12-25,000, depending on hardware/software you buy. I think they
still need to come down on their Indy prices. I figure as they come out with
new machines like the High Impact and the R5000 Indys, etc. they should do
huge discounts on older models. Have some old hardware w/ a software bundle
at prices compairable to an Alpha or a Pentium Pro machine. And
SGI/Alias/Wavefront is becoming a one ring show for 3D Animation. Prisms
just doesn't get that many sales to be competitive. Well, enough of my rant
:)

Jeff
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From: [e-mail] (Steve)
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ANNOUNCEMENT:  Utopia Tech. invites interviews at E3   West Hall #733

At E3, On Saturday May 18, Utopia Technologies, Inc. has limited group
interview appointments available for talented and experienced artists
and programmers desirous of obtaining contract work for computer games
projects. These part time and full time positions are for remote
contract work.

Utopia Technologies, Inc., is a leader in the development of realtime
3D games and technology.  The company is a virtual corporation with
offices in New Jersey and Dallas, Texas.

Please E-mail [e-mail] to schedule an appointment.
Feel free to forward this email to your associates.

If you are not attending E3 please send resume and demo (thumbnail
size) to: [e-mail]   All replies to those who will not be
attending E3 will be made after June 1.  They will be replied to in
order received.

Also see Utopia's web page at:
www.utopiatech.com  or  www.utopiatech.com/jobs.html

Thanks and looking forward your reply.
Steve


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Walter (Jay) Turberville (III) wrote:
> Can you create this "filmstrip" file from within Photoshop?

No. You need Adobe Premiere to create filmstrips. From within Premiere
you can convert almost anything into a filmstrip: an .AVI file, a
numbered sequence of .TGA, .BMP, .TIFF, images, a QuitckTime movie, etc.
And then you can convert from filmstrip back into any of these different
formats. You can then do simple compositing within Premiere. But in
order to modify alpha masks and get absolute control over filtering and
individual channel calculations, you need Photoshop.

Best,

Nate

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Recordable CD? HEELLLPPPP!!!
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I am wanting to archieve my stills and more importantly, my animations with
the CDR. And one of the most important reasons for wanting the CDR as opposed
to anything else, is the fact that a cd only cost about 8.00 bucks per cd as
opposed to Zips which are 20. and other forms cost even more. By as much as
three or four times and with less reliability. The Jazz cost you 125.00 bucks
for one gig of storage. I just couldn't see spending all that money for
something that will be archieved. And if I were you I do the same. And then
someone will come back and say, but you can't rewrite to it? But that doesn't
matter to me, because once I've made the animation, it's done and if I do need
to do something on it all you have to do is load it up again and change or add
to whatever you want and record to a new cd and still keep the orriginal
intact......anyway, I hope that I soon will be able to find something that
will work for me?.........later.....md
----------

On Mon  6-May-1996  6:36p, III wrote:
I> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark
I> Dunakin) writes:
I> >From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
I> >Subject: Recordable CD? HEELLLPPPP!!!
I> >Date: 4 May 96 19:31:39 PST

I> >I have been checking into CDR for archieving my animations. After doing
I> some
I> >checking into this for my DecAlpha system, I have found out that in order
I> to
I> >run the thing I would have to spend 1400.00 bucks for the software alone
I> and
I> >then another 1000.00 bucks for the CDR device. Geezsh! It seems to me
I> that I
I> >would be better off going out and purchasing a Pentium and then get only
I> the
I> >CDR device and just send all the files over to the Pentium from the
I> Raptor.
I> >The software for the Pentium would only be about a 100.00 bucks. I also
I> figure
I> >I could then get another LW for that machine too. But I am just
I> wonderring if
I> >this *IS* the way I need to go? I don't want to have to go the tape back
I> up
I> >route if I can avoid it.

I> > So, which way does everyone else think I should go? Funds are running
I> LOW...
I> >thanx..........md

I> Are you archiving stills, PVR files, scene files or what exactly?  I have
I> being toying with the CDR idea myself because it would be so easy to
I> retrieve
I>  and store the archive.  It would also make a nice easy way to distribute
I> images to clients since it is more universal, cheaper and rugged than a
I> Syquest cartridge.  As I understand it, the software is still a bit
I> primitive
I> and you need to make sure your software and hardware can record multiple
I> sessions for the most flexibility.

I> Pinnacle Micro is supposed to be releasing a 4gig magneto optical disk
I> ($1500
I> for the drive and around $200 per disk) that may make more sense.  On the
I> other end, if you are just saving PVR files, maybe the ZIP or EZ-135 drive

I> make more sense. We currently use DAT, but have had some reliability
I> problems
I> and it is slow (slower now since we do mirror backups).



I> Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
I> Studio 522 Productions           |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber
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Subject: :) :) :) LW 5.0
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AWESOME! I got my LW 5.0 today from the UPS guy :) When he came to the door, I
didn't even know what he was bringing me, since I didn't really expect to get
LW for another couple of few weeks yet. I was totally surprised and of course
HAPPY!...........I'll have to wait to try it out though, because I am waiting
for my machine to come back from the repair people. But I sure can't wait...
It looks like it'll be pretty darn awesome........md :)

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|>ImageFX wasn't quite up to speed when I stopped doing serious work on the
|>Amiga. Anyway, on the PC you can get Rexx, which is nearly identical to
|>Arexx, at least it was available two years ago.
|>
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|>
  Rexx was born on the IBM systems. ARexx could almost be described as a
  subset of the current Rexx as Rexx has been continualy upgraded. I believe
  it is still used with OS2. However the availability of Rexx alone means very
  little. Maybe it could be used with LW but beyond that i don't Know. What
  made ARexx so great on the Amiga was almost all the major software players
  had an ARexx port in their programs. Some more robust than others but the
  port was there just the same. This offers excellent use of multitasking,
  and Interprocess communication. This combo is pretty hard to beat. An example
  would be where you render an image in LW and through an arexx command ADPro
  processes the frames into an anim as they get rendered. On the PC even if
  Rexx were available I don't seee developers adding the Arexx port to their
  applications.  I believe the major gate was windows inability to multitask,
  nevermind interprocess communication.

  -bill

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From: [e-mail] (Bill Hrgtn)
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Subject: POV to DXF and trees
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1.    Is there any PC program that converts POV files into DXF objects (
or better yet, lightwave objects)

2.    Any suggestions on how to go about modeling realistic trees???

Any help is appreciated

Bill H

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Subject: Re: I finally understand ...
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LonerSam wrote:
>
> It is PowerView which doesn't visualize the model
> as correctly as it should be, eg. it simply doesn't
> show drilled tunnels (1/2 sided polygon) correctly.
>
> So, forget about the b/s I posted before.
>
> LSam
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Sam:

I got news for you buddy I was working in LW5.0 lastnight. It desplays Text objects as well as PowerView. I don't know if this is due to the
way NewTek has implamented OpenGL, if it's a factor of my video card, or what ever. I was really disapointed. Note: Modeler seems to handel
this much better that Layout.

Brad Hayes

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To: AFrerking <[e-mail]>

AFrerking wrote:
>
> I should probably interject before this thread gets out of hand.
>
> We certainly never intended the Impact manual to be this late.  But,
> already plagued by a late release one year ago, we elected to ship Impact
> with a "Preliminary User's Guide" which was meant to be temporary.  With
> the limited plugin market staring us in the face, we were forced to port
> Impact to other platforms and look into additional products to help
> support the company.  Particle Storm has taken all of our efforts to make
> it as good as it is.  It will ship a complete product, including a full
> printed manual with tutorials.  Ironically, the Impact manual will be sent
> to all registered users shortly following Particle Storm.
>
> Particle Storm is now scheduled for May 15.  We were slightly delayed by
> NAB, but we will be going to duplication this week and should have the
> first run back one week later.
>
> I hope this clears things up a little.  I apologize for any delays.
>
> Andy
> Dynamic Realities
> http://members.aol.com/dynreal

The program kicks butt, I do still think the interface is a little clumsy, I saw the demo of Partical storm at NAB, if Impact had that
interface and that type of interaction (I understand the limitations of realtime phisichs) That would be great!!! as of now I haven't upgraded
fro the amiga version simply beause I haven't had a great need for it yet.

The progam it's self works great. So keep up the great work.

Brad HAyes

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffery S. Jones)
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On 06-May-96 13:35:21, debra <[e-mail]> wrote:
>ok, this is probably pretty naive, but i figure someone out there
>has to know more than we do.

>we have just purchased an amiga 4000, with toaster flyer, latest
>software. also have lightwave 4.0. let's say i want to subtitle
>some japanese anime. (which i do). can i use what i have? i have
>all the SVHS and laserdisc players and all of that. i know
>there are several shareware programs that alot of the fans
>use with the amiga, but since i already have all of this
>stuff available, and it's considerably more sophisticated,
>shouldn't i be able to do this?

>all information greatly appreciated.

  First, there is a very good subtitling shareware program, specifically
designed for that purpose, whose name escapes me at the moment
unfortunately.  The advantage of such a program is that it is designed
for that purpose, with text-filled boxes which can be set to update
automatically based on time information (such as the timecode from
decks, if you have that), and thereby automate the entire process.

  But there should be no problem at all making up subtitles using the
Toaster/Flyer combination.  You make the subtitle boxes in the CG
program, and add them to the video at the points where they should
appear.  Since you are not doing editing as such, you could do the
entire series of titles for a program as a single project, and program
its timing for CG overlay over the live (from tape) input, without
digitizing any of it.  Add a control command to make the decks start at
the right point, and it should turn out the entire thing in one go.

  If you don't have deck control software, there is some available, and
that can help out quite a bit.

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*-__________________________ | *Starfire* | _________________________-*
Jeff Jones  email:[e-mail]  *//* Amiga Lives! |Born
*TFG* *Starfire* Design Studio        *\\//* 1985-1994,    |again 1995!
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From: Ben Frech <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Question about Lazy Points Plugin
Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 18:42:25 -0700
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I got LW5 in the mail this weekend... its AWSOME! I have one question... how can you change the "laziness" of the Lazy Points plugin? I tried
changing the options... it says the plugin has no interface... TIA.

Ben Frech
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From: [e-mail] (Sergio Rosas)
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Subject: check out these cool Sailor Moon Models! - scouts.jpg (1/1)
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Axtell)
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Subject: MGA Impression Plus ,NT,LW5 & OpenGL
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I have the Impression Plus card that supports openGL and now that
Lightwave does too it should be compatible and accelerated.  I do not
have LW 5.0 yet.  Does anyone have the above card and use it with LW?

Could anyone tell me if Lightwave uses a 16 bit depth buffer?

Also - does anyone else use this video card with Windows NT?   There
seems to be some confusion wheter the new NT drivers 2.13 will support
3D.  What does this mean?  Will it not support 3D acceleration?  Or
should I use the old drivers  with LW?

Tech Support at Matrox is not too helpful, so anyone with info would
be appreciated, and maybe if we get together we can figure it all out.
Ax


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Any opinions about WinImages?  Does it work well for batch processing,
special effects over frames, preparation of animations for video output?

Thanks

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From: Ace Miles <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Error 213 starting Modeler 5.0
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Elliot Bain wrote:
>
> David Oxley wrote:
> >
> > I upgraded to LW5.0 last night.  The installation appeared to be
> > successful.  Layout comes up OK (although not all object are shaded when
> > using OpenGL...hmmm), but I can't run Modeler.

In the scene panel select show objects as full solids.

--
 Ace Miles * Senior Animator * Atari Games/Williams Entertainment
       [e-mail] (work)  or   [e-mail] (home)
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