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From: [e-mail] (Rick May)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.graphics,comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: "THE BOXER" -- Best Computer Animation Movie EVER!! WHERE CAN
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->
->You sound like a televangelist spouting off about how rock and roll is
->Satan's music designed and promoted by child sacrificing heathens.
->
->Motion caputre is used by some of the best animators in the buisness
->when it is the right tool for the job.
->
->And it only devaluates the worth of animators who would shun and fear
->a tool because of their own baseless insecurities, and thereby
->mitigate the quality of their work potential.
->
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->jt
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I dont think Steph or anyone else actually fears motion capture..  True, MC is
a great tool for some situations, but obviously isnt an answer to all projects
that involve moving characters.. And some companies are promoting this to be
the case..

And most of these companies that promote this as a cure-all have no one on
staff that could animate anything decent, via keyframe...  So I guess I cant
blame them for trying..

MC and keyframe are two different things.. You will never be able to do
everything with MC, but there are some things you can do better.. Like getting
extremely realistic movements of a human...  But I am sick of seeing MC being
used in areas it shouldnt be used in (not using boxer as an example, cause I
enjoyed the MC use-- (note the keyframed techniques on top of it))...

I am sick of seeing demo reels of companies with motion captured everything--
no matter if it is a chicken, or a human...  These type of companies arent
using the best tool for the job- they are using *A* tool for a job- cause they
have nothing else at their disposal...  At least the boxer people took the MC
data and massaged it into something entertaining to watch..

I dont think anyone is shunning a tool such as MC.. I think everyone can see
the value it has in certain areas...  I dont think anyone fears it either..
Because, thankfully there are enough companies and people out there that know
MC is only good for certain applications- and there will always be a need for
animators..



rick





Rick May
independent cg animator
[e-mail]
http://www.cinenet.net/users/rickmay

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From: [e-mail] (Rick May)
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In article <4f75pr$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (John Tissavary | Luna Cie, Inc) wrote:
->Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:
->
->>You use traditional animation techniques (even in 3D) to do
->>motion that is *more* than human, to do things humans don't or can't do,
->>to exagerate, caricature or otherwise alter the reality of motion.
->
->
->I couldn't agree with you more, but this doesn't make mocap any less
->valid, just a different tool for a different animation.
->

MC is not animation.  MC is an effect.. It is as close to animation as going
out with a video camera and taping someone walking down the street..

Now if you take that MC data and do some things to it, alter it, change it in
some way- then that could be labeled as some sort of animation...


rick


Rick May
independent cg animator
[e-mail]
http://www.cinenet.net/users/rickmay

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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In article <4f7vrl$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James Jones/Nibbles and Bits) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (James Jones/Nibbles and Bits)
>Subject: Re: NT/LW RAM req
>Date: 6 Feb 1996 09:32:53 -0700

>[e-mail] said:

>>  ...I can get 32MB of RAM locally for around $350-375. ...
>
>   What!?!
>
>   Is typo, yes?
>
>   -Jim
>

Incredibly, NO!.  RAM prices have been dropping for a few weeks now.  Those
numbers are for no parity 72 pin simms.  This local company regularly matches
or beats mail order prices in exchange for very little service.  Didya notice
that Gateway is selling memory?  Guess why.  I'm betting it is to dump
inventory befor they lose a barrel full of money as the RAM prices drop.

Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
Studio 522 Productions           |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber
http://www.studio522.com         |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber
Hey!!  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  We have our new Studio 522 URL!!

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From: [e-mail] (VirtualBri)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lee Stranahan's Problem With NewTek
Date: 6 Feb 1996 15:58:21 -0500
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Ernie writes:

>But WHY do they NEED it?  People need camcorders to take pictures of
>their young children.  They need VCRs to play rented tapes.  They need
>computers because they use them at work.  They need multimedia computers
>because they don't want their kids to be left behind.  They need Photo-
>shop to play with the images they get from their Snappys.  What's 3D's
>angle?

First, I believe you are confusing need with want.  People don’t need any
of that stuff, and perhaps except in the case of VCRs most of those items
are occasionally used, or at least underutilized.  They’ll play around
with the camcorder, bring it out on occasion, toy around with image
processing in Photoshop and that’s about it.  But they did purchase the
item, even if for occasional use, because they wanted this hobby/luxury
item.

And I hate to harp on it, but what the heck:  This creation of "want" is
exactly what marketing does.  Or is supposed to do.  They find the 3D
"angle", which I think is easier to find than you believe, and sell it.
Fascinate people with the pet rock and they’ll buy it.

>I'm asked this over and over by the people I work with.  They have no
>idea what use they'd have for owning LW themselves.  And of the dozens
>of family members and friends who've seen LW in my office, not one of
>them ever said to me, "How can I get into doing that?"

We must run in totally different circles, because I get the complete 180
reaction from people I work with and friends.  They see LightWave, and
say, "Hey I’d like to use that, even if I was just goofing around with
it."  And the ones that say they’d like to use it for work, I’ll try and
get them to hire me. :)  In fact, the most common question I get when
someone sees my home setup, meager as it is, is "What would it take for me
to be able to do that?"

That’s exactly why there are Simply 3Ds out there.  And yes there are a
surprising amount of people doing 3D stuff in web sites, and it will only
increase as in-line AVIs, Quicktime movies, and Director movies become
prevalent.

One another note…let’s see.  If the dealer price, and the retail of
LightWave is $1995, what would we call that?  Hmmm, "moronic" is a good
word to start.  Good job, NewTek.

But what I see, is dealers selling it for more than the MSRP.  So, if
you’re letting LightWave Alpha sit in your store, you are:  a) selling it
for no profit, b) selling it for above MSRP, and still complaining about
making no money on it.  (How much profit is enough to sell a product,
BTW?)

Sure, customers are going to be mad that it’s more that $1995, but you
could always tell them what’s going on.  Not that it will make them any
happier to learn more of the continuing NewTek/Alpha debacle.

The whole Alpha thing seems like NewTek doing a number on its dealers, as
well as customers, to me.
--Brian

http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/
http://members.aol.com/equinoxii/

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From: [e-mail] (VirtualBri)
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Subject: Re: newbie
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For just checking out the program, and trying to learn it:

I've run LightWave on a 486/50 with 8 Megs of Ram under Windows 3.1, and a
graphics acclerator with 1 Meg of Ram, as a test.  And it wasn't
excruciating, either :)  So, it works there.
--Brian
http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/
http://members.aol.com/equinoxii/

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From: [e-mail] (Gord Davison)
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Subject: Re: Lee Stranahan's Problem With NewTek
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[e-mail] (Stranahan) wrote:

[SNIP]

>And you hammer and hammer and hammer this message. You go to the people,
>you make video tapes, you do industry outreach, you get articles placed in
>magazines, you get on TV shows, you get dealers killer materials, you get
>great dealers.....you -market-....and you build mindshare. LightWave isn't
>the first program, but it sure SEEMS like it and in the minds of the
>people you've reached, it IS...
>
>
>_____________________________________________
>Lee Stranahan
>Home Page renovations are well under way!
>URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm
>

Exactly!

Play, Incorporated's "Snappy" is a case in point. From all the press they've
been getting, you'd think it was the first digitizer ever invented!

If NewTek marketing could ditch the arrogant and uninformative "Turn on your
TV" campaign, and start to come up with some compelling reasons why people
from a lot of different backgrounds _NEED_ a versatile, professional-featured,
affordable, extensible [ie plug-ins], highly visible [ie "Turn on your TV"],
mature [ie. Version 4] 3D program, then I think you could start to build
"mindshare", as Lee says.

[Analogy NOT involving AT&T ;-)]:

Typesetting was relegated to a select few professionals who went through an
arduous apprenticeship process before the Mac "invented" desktop publishing.
I can assure you that the lack of design sense didn't stop millions of people
from producing a wide variety of *interesting* work [he says diplomatically].

Whether a similar situation will develop in 3D remains to be seen, but the
momentum that's building in the animation industry in general -- and
specifically in 3D -- is real.

[Currently working on my next $0.02 worth]

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 Gord Davison                      | 2D/3D Animator ¤ Multimedia Designer
 Phoenix Interactive Design, Inc.  |
 graphics ¤ animation ¤ multimedia |   "Complex problems have simple,
 [e-mail]             | easy-to-understand, wrong answers."
==========================================================================



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From: [e-mail] (Mark Whitney)
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On 02-06-96, MICHAEL was going on about newbie

MB>From: Michael Brunner
  >What are the minimum reqirements for PC to run
  >lightwave 4.0  INTEL at reasonable speed?
  >Not for production just for practicing and getting to know
  >the programm?
  >please help!
  >

The docs say 32 megs, but I'm running it on a 486DX-66 w/ 20 megs under
NT 3.51.  I also have a large swapfile (mainly for PhotoShop's needs).
There are a few scenes that I can load but can't render due to size.
However, for learning purposes this hasn't been an issue.

M.

---
 * CMPQwk 1.42 #6.3 Now where did I park my hard drive??

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From: [e-mail] (David L. Campbell)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lee Stranahan's Problem With NewTek
Date: 6 Feb 1996 21:24:50 GMT
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Ernie Wright ([e-mail]) wrote:
: But WHY do they NEED it?  People need camcorders to take pictures of
: their young children.  They need VCRs to play rented tapes.  They need
: computers because they use them at work.  They need multimedia computers
: because they don't want their kids to be left behind.  They need Photo-
: shop to play with the images they get from their Snappys.  What's 3D's
: angle?

What was the Miata's angle?  I don't think it had much to do with need.
That's because demand isn't always conceived from need.  It can be the
offspring of want.  If something is compelling enough to promote
want, then it often gets rationalized to need very quickly.  There
are already enough non-professionals in 3D to suggest that.


: I'm asked this over and over by the people I work with.  They have no
: idea what use they'd have for owning LW themselves.  And of the dozens
: of family members and friends who've seen LW in my office, not one of
: them ever said to me, "How can I get into doing that?"

Hmmm.  Maybe its the company you keep (no offense intended).  No layperson
who sees my graphics tools asks me that either.  But a great deal of the
ones who see my graphics *work* do ask me that.  The would-be artists.
Creative people like to create.  Show them something compelling and
convince them they can actually do it, and you just might create someone
who wants it.  Make it easy to get, and heck, they might need it.

Case in point:  I've toyed at various times with buying airbrush
equipment.  I certainly don't need it.  But I find the stuff I've
seen done compelling enough that its interests me.  Perhaps one day
something will happen in the industory and it'll turn into need and
I'll drop some dough on it.  I hope not; my other pursuits already
cost me too much.  ;)


: Of course, this hasn't stopped TrueSpace and RayDream and Simply3D
: from showing up in catalogs and local software shacks, but I still
: don't get it, and neither does anyone I know.  Are *that* many people
: building web pages with animated 3D imagery?

Not yet.  But I don't really think that's the point.  If you get
enough people to become familiar and enamored with 3D animation,
through Toy Story, Reboot, web pages, or whatever.  And then you
convince them that this is something they can actually do for fun
or profit (whether its true or not).  Then you're bound to create
some takers.  Depending on how convincing you are, maybe alot of
them.


David.
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David L. Campbell     The Ego Wall:
[e-mail]          http://www.realtime.net/~dcampbel
========= Will make computer animations for food! =========

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Subject: AVI data rate in LW3D?
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Does anydoby know what the data rate for the cinapack and indeo
compression codec's is if it's set to 100% quility? And is there anyway
to change that? Thanks in advance.
Marco
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Angel Freire)
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Can some kind sole please tell me where the config files
are supposed to go so that LW (for intel) won't complain
upon closing the program that it can't find the config files?
Thanks..

Angel Freire

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From: [e-mail] (Dave Paige)
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Subject: Re: Need help making LW cityscape
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[e-mail] (Chad Elwayne Gleason) wrote:

>
>
>Hi.  I'm trying to build a convincing city skyline for a project I'm
>working on.  I've made the buildings and the texture maps for the
>effectr of having "lights" on in the windows.  The texture maps are
>baiscally a series of white boxes against a black background.
>I apply the maps as a luminosity map, the they are invisible.  No
>lights.  Nothing but big, hunks of darkened building.  The maps do not
>show up at all.  This is probably attributed to the fact that there is
>very little light in the scene (takes place at night).  I raised the
>objects luminosity to 100% and still no change.
>Does ANYONE know how I can make this scene have fully lit windows in a
>nighttime enviroment?
>Please e-mail me directly with your responses.
>Your (potential) help will be appreciated.
>Thanks.
>
What's the color of the basic surface? If It's a dark color than even
high luminosity is not going to show up well at night.

Dave Paige
Alfheim Imaging
[e-mail]

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From: Prem Subrahmanyam <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Menger's Sponge Uploaded
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Did a Menger's Sponge in Lparser.  Uploaded to ftp.newtek.com/incoming.
Get file menger4.zip.  I tried 3 times unsuccessfully with the #$#@!
Amiga based ftp program refusing to build a connection for the first
three...four was the charm.  The current Menger's Sponge is a level
four iteration object, if you want to make a level 5, clone the level
four Menger's 19 times and then move the 19 other copies to the
same positions as exist in the original.  My 32 Megs on my Pentium 90
is not sufficient to do this, someone with an Alpha probably could get
this to work.
-- Prem
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Prem Subrahmanyam
[e-mail]
Home Page: http://www-wane-leon.scri.fsu.edu/~prems
Programmer, graphics designer, fossil nut extraordinaire.
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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lee Stranahan's Problem With NewTek
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Hi there, Lee again....


Let me just say how GREAT it is that this has become a discussion of
marketing philosophy, which is what I love and is real productive. I know
some have thought this was a personal thing with me, but it's really about
the right ideas winning. There's been more marketing smarts on here then
I've seen come out of Topeka in a long time, andI really really hope they
are taking this to heart. (You hear that, Tim?)

By the way, let me reveal one of my methods. There are people at NewTek
who take anything negative I say, print it, and bring to straight to Tim
to show what a jerk I am. So, the message is getting there, BUT I have to
say negative things - the positive stuff I write never gets to Tim's desk.
This is why I called this thread 'Lee Stranahan's Problem With NewTek' - I
wanted a big red flag for the weasels to notice...

hehhehhehehehehehehehhehehehehehehh




_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan
Home Page renovations are well under way!
URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm


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From: Prem Subrahmanyam <[e-mail]>
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Get lparser4.  It's available at:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~ljlapre/

It's freeware and really cool.  It exports .DXF files that should
import into Lightwave (I've had no problems).  For an example of
an lparser generated plant, visit my fossil gallery at:

http://www-wane-leon.scri.fsu.edu/~prems/fossil.html

There you will see a restored Calamites coal-age plant that was
done in lparser by yours truly.

-- Prem
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Phil South wrote:
>
> I would be very interested in reviewing the Powermacros package for the
> PC on behalf of Computer Shopper here in the UK.

Last I looked PowerMacros only worked with Amiga LW 3.5.
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>   Ernie Wright <[e-mail]> writes:
>  There's no comparable situation in 3D.  It isn't possible to be a
>  casual user, and there's currently nothing creating demand for 3D
>  outside the graphics business.

    I disagree.  Plenty o' people just need a pie chart or something:
you don't need to join a monastery to learn how to do that.

    Also, there's many places where LW can be used to just do a quick
effect that the 2d progs don't do so well  (although that gap IS narrowing).

>  - Ernie

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>   [e-mail] (John Gross) writes:
>
>  LightWave will default to what you choose. Edit your LW.cfg (or similar)
>  line that says DefaultPixelAspect.

    yeah yeah I know I know.  But the DEFAULT default is Square.

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From: Ernie Wright <[e-mail]>
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VirtualBri wrote:

> First, I believe you are confusing need with want.

I used the word "need" ironically.  There's no confusion in my mind
about the manufacture of necessity being the business of marketing.
"Want" is insufficient, as a moment's thought will suggest, since
people want a lot of things they wouldn't even consider buying.

> This creation of "want" is exactly what marketing does.  Or is
> supposed to do.  They find the 3D "angle", which I think is easier
> to find than you believe, and sell it.=20

Let me repeat:  People don't buy camcorders to be "creative."  They
buy camcorders to take pictures of babies and birthday parties.  Or
rather, they *justify the expense* this way.  No comparable perception
of utility, real or imagined, can be attached to 3D right now, and I
submit that this is a marketing brick wall that can't be made to go
away by hand waving, to wit:

> Fascinate people with the pet rock and they=92ll buy it.

For a thousand dollars?  Anyway, as someone who's made a small contri-
bution to writing LW, I'd be sick at heart if this became the vision
for the product.

- Ernie


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>   [e-mail] writes:
>
>    Has anybody seen the CGI stills of SAAB models in the latest Cinescape magazine
>  issue?  TV doesn't do the models justice.  Except for that subtle flat plasticyness of
>  with CGI lighting the picture of the Saratoga aircraft carrier was so detailed with
>  so many polygons and fine textures, you'd swear it was a motion picture miniature!
>
>    It's really amazing that on a little TV show, near feature film quality work is being
>  done.


    Y'know at first I thought you were talkin' about a Swedish automobile!

    I'm intriguied by the INCREDIBLE realism and _PHYSICALITY_ of S:AAB.  They
have achieved a MUCH greater level of realism than Babylon 5 has in three years.  I
suspect there is some "recipe" that they are following that distinguishes their
look from Foundation's.  Real low ambient, lottza motion blur--what IS it?

    (And great modeling too.)

    To give Foundation their due, the S:aab animators are of course "standing
on their shoulders", and a lot of the processing power now used was not available
when B-5 began.

    Whatever they are doing, it sure is convincing.  .....well, except for
the engine flames.  I'm not crazy about those.

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From: [e-mail] (Stephen Bowie)
Subject: Re: Lee Stranahan's Problem With NewTek
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Stranahan ([e-mail]) wrote:

: The world's FIRST fully PROFESSIONAL 3D program that you can afford! It's
: easy to use, see?!? Here's a video tape! Watch it in the comfort of your
: home or here at this user's group meeting!! LightWave is the ONLY program
: that has these features A, B & C and it saves in a jillion file formats so
: it integrates with Photoshop, etc ..this is the SAME software all the TV
: shows use...etc etc etc

: And you hammer and hammer and hammer this message. You go to the people,
: you make video tapes, you do industry outreach, you get articles placed in
: magazines, you get on TV shows, you get dealers killer materials, you get
: great dealers.....you -market-....and you build mindshare. LightWave isn't
: the first program, but it sure SEEMS like it and in the minds of the
: people you've reached, it IS...



Can't say I agree with everything Lee has said in this thread, but he is
certainly `right on' with these comments about marketing....

Anyone who can't see that should drag out and review the "Deathbed (?)
Vigil tapes and see what happened to C= !
--
    Steve Bowie [e-mail]
    North York, Ontario, Canada
    <<If I'm using this address, you gotta
      KNOW my reg. ISP is down>>

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From: [e-mail] (Dave Thomas)
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[e-mail] (John Foust) wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>>
>>The main impediment to the easy availability of LW is the dongle, not so
>>much the price, altho the price is a bit of an obstacle. There are
>>companies and users out there who buy programs for evaluation, to satisfy
>>their curiosity and for casual use.

>Hmm, too bad you're disproven by the facts.  3D Studio is arguably
>the most popular, serious 3D rendering program out there, selling
>60,000+ copies to date, at a relatively high price point, and it
>has a dongle.  All the 3D programs that started this PC 3D
>industry had dongles, too: Cubicomp, Topas, etc.  All the 3D
>programs on the SGI use license protection.

(snip)

While I'm not sure whether or not the dongle is an impediment to LW
sales, or that it helped 3ds sales, I do think that one reason why 3DS
sold so well in the past is that for a long time it had no real
competition. Yes, I know that Topas and some other programs were
available on the PC before 3DS, but if you ever used those programs
(especially Topas), you'd see why 3DS came out on top. For many people
I've interacted with, they wanted 3D software for their PC, and 3DS
was the only viable choice.

Of course, the fact that Autodesk's marketing department could
outmarket NewTek with an annual budget of $1.50 or so might also have
something to do with it. After all, you can see why everyone would
rush right out and get LW after looking at that finely crafted ad with
the chrome balls.




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From: Stephen Bailey <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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Peter Wu wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone used lightwave for character animation?  If so .. how easy is
> it to do?  Are there any lightwave generated character animations or
> pics on the net that I can take a look at?  Can anyone compare lightwave
> with Animation Master?  Thanks.
>
> --
> Peter K. Wu -- [e-mail]

The current M&M ad campaign is all LW. I wouldn't say it's the easiest type of
animation you could do with the software, but it is doable. One important lesson
I've learned since going to work at Vinton's is that animation is all about
imparting soul into inanimate objects. Two pennies shyly approaching one another,
one hesitant, the other suggestive and forceful, could be very easily animated in
Lightwave...and that's character animation, too. It doesn't have to revolve
around showing humanoids or great lip sync.

Think soul. Think narrative.

I've heard good things about Animation Master. Never used it.

SGB


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Michael Brunner wrote:

>What are the minimum reqirements for PC to run
>lightwave 4.0  INTEL at reasonable speed?
>Not for production just for practicing and getting to know
>the programm?
>please help!

I wouldn't use less than a 120pentium with 16Megs of Ram


Animation Factory East



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What is the going rate for a good LightWave animator with 2-4 years
experience?  I am currently interviewing with several companies and I am
not sure what is a competitive salary.
If any one could give me some insites on this subject I would greatly
appreciate it.

Just a general ball park figure would help.

Thanks HippyDrone:)

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From: [e-mail] ("Phil South")
Subject: Re: Lee Stranahan's Problem With NewTek
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[good coments deleted]

> Somebody at Newtek has forgotten a very important imperative in running
> a business. Do the things you have to do to survive, then you'll have
> the resources to do the things you want to do. Newtek has to put a
> stable, accessable product on the market so that they can have the
> resources to attack the high end they so desperately want to be in.
>
> That's my $.02.

And that's two cents well spent. It's a worthwhile argument, and I think
that Lightwave Lite should be considered as an option. I mean think how
well a cut down version of LW would sell. If sales are as important to
NewTek as being pally with Hollywood, that is...

My 2p.

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> I would be very interested in reviewing the Powermacros package for the
> PC on behalf of Computer Shopper here in the UK.
>
> My address is:
>

Oops. As you can see that was suppsoed to be an email rather than a post.
Apologies for the bandwidth loss...

But if anyone has any Lightwave based products they'd like reviewed in
the UK, that's the address, okay?

That's the last time I fall asleep at the wheel.

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> It is worth noting that Corel now bundles a 3D app with its Corel 6
> package.  It is weak (hey - I admit that the interface was confusing to
> me - I'm too used to LW) IMHO, but it IS there.
>
> We use Photoshop and LW together for animation.  I can easily envision
> someone doing similarly for print.

I tell you what else, if there was a cut-down version of Lightwave, could
it be made as a plug-in for PhotoShop? Damn I give away all my good
ideas, don't I?

:?)

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From: [e-mail] ("Phil South")
Subject: Re: NT dongle problems?
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> I'm having major trouble adding the driver for the dongle in NT. Can
> anyone
> help? I went through the installation fine and then I went to the
> drivers menu to add the driver. When it asked for the path of the
> driver, I typed in
> "d:\win_nt\i386\" and nothing happened. Any help would be greatly
> appreciated.

Check the configuration of your PAR port in your CMOS setup. If it says
anything other than NORMAL then your dongle probably isn't being
recognised. I went around the block with this problem for about 4-5 weeks
before I solved it.

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From: [e-mail] ("Phil South")
Subject: Re: Need help making LW cityscape
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>
>
> Hi.  I'm trying to build a convincing city skyline for a project I'm
> working on.  I've made the buildings and the texture maps for the
> effectr of having "lights" on in the windows.  The texture maps are
> baiscally a series of white boxes against a black background.
> I apply the maps as a luminosity map, the they are invisible.  No
> lights.  Nothing but big, hunks of darkened building.  The maps do not
> show up at all.  This is probably attributed to the fact that there is
> very little light in the scene (takes place at night).  I raised the
> objects luminosity to 100% and still no change.
> Does ANYONE know how I can make this scene have fully lit windows in a
> nighttime enviroment?
> Please e-mail me directly with your responses.
> Your (potential) help will be appreciated.
> Thanks.
>

You need to use a luminsoty map. Click the T button next to luminosity
and use a picture of windows in there. That should work.

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From: [e-mail] ("Phil South")
Subject: very cool fonts etc.
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I've just downloaded some fonts from Emigre in Sacramento. I live in
Frome in Somerset, England. The fonts cost between $59 and $95 per set
and they are by far the coolest fonts I've ever seen.

Check out their Web page on www.emigre.com and see what I mean. They have
type 1 and TrueType versions in each pack, which means you can use them
for image maps and as a basis for models.

Trust me, these are really good fonts.

The system they use to transmit th fonts to you is via a BBS or via the
Internet, using th FirstClass Client software. The Internet feed has
proven too unreliable, so I dialled in direct to the BBS. The cool part
is that the fonts are only about 200k each and so download times are not
prohibitive.

Enjoy!

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From: [e-mail] (Bernd Kreimeier)
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Subject: The need for 3D (was: LS's Problem W. NewTek)
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Philosophically speaking, the (computer using) community has long
since bypassed the level of actual "needs". In other words, once
the typical computer consumer has solved the problem of how to earn a
living, he (sic!) still has to find something to spend his life on.

You might want to consider the following: during the next decade,
we'll witness an increasing amount of interactive multi-participant
environments, be it games, MUD's or something else. In addition,
there'll be an increasing amount of non-professional but nonetheless
big libraries of objects, textures and scenes.

One key to sales is immediate satisfaction. The other is to keep
the point of diminishing returns (result improvement vs. effort)
a few years out of reach of your average customer.

Now sell your "Simple&Cheap 3D" with a big template library, and
combinatorial explosion is on your side. Immediate satisfaction
by drag&drop guaranteed even for those who are still far away from
creating their own objects or textures.

If you want to make money right now, sell your "Simple&Cheap 3D" with
a set of conversion tools supporting certain popular games. The
key to the success of e.g. "Doom" (and the likely success of "Quake")
is immediate (simple) satisfaction guaranteed by the GUI and the
game's objective, combined with the possibility to spend months and
years of creating your own worlds. This is an educational example.

Never underestimate the desire for being creative - the lack of
creativity, which is a different issue, has never kept anybody from
trying, and never should.

The equivalent of $0.02.


                                                B.


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|>As another former NewTek guy, I think there problems can not be simply
|>summed up as the marketing department's fault. Certainly they have made
|>some bad decisions, had some bad timing, and survived the collapse of
|>their base platform. To help LightWave, the best move would be to either
|>lower the price to trueSpace area, or raise it to near 3D Studios (a
|>better move that would make a lot of people angry).
|>
|>Brent Malnack
|>
   Lets see! LW in a head to head with 3DS. LW 1000.00 3DS couple thousand
 more. LW loses ground, idea raise price 2000.00 . YA I can see them rushing
 out to but LW even faster ! I see what you mean but I don't buy it. As for
 plugins, well is it all relative ? Just because you happen to get a really
 great price on LW 9one of the biggest bang for bucks programs around) you
 are automatically not going to pay more than $100,00 for a plugin ? Gee
 I paid several hundred $ for lees set of tapes(and I only paid 600.00
 for 3.5 SA) , drop another 100.00 for two of Thortons tapes, throw
 in another for Dark Horse video, lets not forget my LWPro subscription,
 or in.Focus. Also the Lightrom's . Then we get to programs!
 MacroForm, Motion Master, and Fiber factory. Gee I have actually excedded
 the Cost of LW and am still buying more. Almost all the above were purchased
 from my dealer (if available thru him) So he maybe did not make a killing on
 LW but at least it led to other business. I think the value os=f a plugin will
 have to be determined by what it does . LW is the foundation (and a strong one)
 for building a great 3D suite. It is priced to attract the largest level of
 people that are serious about 3D as possible. Of course Brent Malnack
 (gee did you used to do the Toaster thing in AVideo ?) is in a position to
 promote it and his response it to raise the bar so it does not make everybody
 elses software uncomfortably priced ? I own Amiga 4.0 and will at some time
 also purchase the PC version. BECAUSE it is the greatest buy for the buck.
 Now I am not famous, never was an editor, made tutorial tapes, and have
 no other laurals to ride on but I see LW 4.0 with plugin capability reaching
 to levels unheard of. Given it survives all the negative press. Keep it
 priced as it is let the 3rd party market develop and let's see what happens.
 Of course when we have notable people predicting doom because LW is inexpensive
 and basically telling everybody they can't maks a living supporting it the
 road may be rough.

 -bill

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From: Glenn Saunders <[e-mail]>
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The mortal  wrote:
:     I'm intriguied by the INCREDIBLE realism and _PHYSICALITY_ of S:AAB.  They

The space fighter models are the most realistic looking CGI objects I've
ever seen on TV.  I suppose it is all in the surfacing.

The Saratoga, on the other hand, has those ultra-sharp angles and flat
texturing that is indicative of CGI.  The only good part of the Saratoga
is the launch bays.

:     Whatever they are doing, it sure is convincing.  .....well, except for
: the engine flames.  I'm not crazy about those.

Lightwave doesn't make this sort of thing easy to do.

I'm also not that fond of the dithering noise that is added to the image.
Is this a byproduct of the new LW 4.0 dither functions?  It just looks
more like grit in the image, like a bad cable signal, than a "film look"
to me.  The way film grain has improved in the last 8 years or so, grain
is hardly noticable with 35mm film on TV, so I don't think there is a
need to add THAT much noise into the image.


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From: [e-mail] (Cory Arnold)
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>>>  ...I can get 32MB of RAM locally for around $350-375. ...
>>
>>   What!?!
>>
>>   Is typo, yes?
>>
>>   -Jim
>>

>Incredibly, NO!.  RAM prices have been dropping for a few weeks now.  Those
>numbers are for no parity 72 pin simms.  This local company regularly matches
>or beats mail order prices in exchange for very little service.  Didya notice
>that Gateway is selling memory?  Guess why.  I'm betting it is to dump
>inventory befor they lose a barrel full of money as the RAM prices drop.

i think you mean 16mg (not 32)
--
Cory Arnold, Horizon Film & Graphics
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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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Plug-o-rama - my brother Ken Stranahahan did the main modeling on the
Hammerheads, and he'll be covering his metaform and spaceship modeling and
surfacing techniques on our upcoming instructional CD-ROM, in addition to
a number of other topics.


_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan
Home Page renovations are well under way!
URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm


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From: David Forbus <[e-mail]>
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Steve Koren wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (Blake Porter) wrote:
>
> > I've heard the voices...  4.07 is a "render pig".  Will 4.1 change this?
>
> Sorta.  I just timed one scene, which may not be representative, but it
> was approximately 25% slower in 4.0 than in 3.5.
>
> > Are 060's like cyberstorm shipping? are they fast?
>
> They are shipping, yes, although the demand seems to be outstripping the
> supply at the moment.  Fast, compared to what?  Compared to an 040,
> sure, they're quite fast.  Compared to a 2xx MHz Alpha, no, they're not
> fast at all.

How does an '060 compare to a 100Mhz Pentium? Will the money invested
get your Amiga up to Pentium speeds?

> > What's the future hold with Amiga as far as -_-speeeeeed?
>
> It'll get more competitive if AT can do the PowerAmiga thing, and if LW
> is ported, and if PPCs can remain performance competitive with Intel
> chips.  Only time will tell.
>
>   - steve

When moving to a new platform, more has to be considered than the base
cost of the computer. Expecially if you have a large investment in
hardware/software that already gets the job done. I personally have
added a Pentium to my render farm, but I'm not about to toss my Amiga.

DLF

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>Plug-o-rama - my brother Ken Stranahahan did the main modeling on the
>Hammerheads, and he'll be covering his metaform and spaceship modeling
>and surfacing techniques on our upcoming instructional CD-ROM, in
>addition to a number of other topics.

<Drool, drool...>
The Hammerheads are awesome looking models!!!  I can't wait for the
CD-ROM.
--Brian

http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/
http://members.aol.com/equinoxii/

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From: [e-mail] (John Foust)
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But seriously, pholks...

Lee, love you, trust you, hug you, but man alive, I'm getting
tired of seeing that subject line "Lee Stranahan's Problem With NewTek".

Enough already, what are you going to do about it?

It's apparent that like many other current or ex-NewTek employees,
you are working very hard to exorcise the ghosts from your soul
regarding the people and companies who've parted.

Let's call this disease Amiga-myelitis, because it reminds me of
the people who can't let go of the Amiga.

Do you want to go back to NewTek and take over Donetta's position
and salary?  Will you write a proposal for NewTek marketing
that will lift them from the doldrums, given their existing budget,
given the state of the 3D market?

Do you really think you've got The Answer to NewTek's problems?
I'm sure they'd love to know.  Are you sure they hadn't heard
it before?  Even if they did, marketing is not a science.
There's no way to produce a control or a placebo.  All this
hindsight does them little good.

Also, although Snappy may be a very cool gizmo, Play's success
or failure doesn't really have anything to do with NewTek's
current success or failure, unless you've also got some
magic way to return those Wild Stallions to their Topeka corral,
too.

Those horses ain't coming back, and I'm tired of hearing how
great things would be if they did.  They're doing something
else now, which is certainly Cool, and has nothing do with
LightWave, unless your soul thinks it's important to forever
link those people with NewTek.  We might as well think about
Jay Miner coming back from the dead to make the new Amiga.

- John


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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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In article <4fae06$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Cory Arnold) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Cory Arnold)
>Subject: Re: NT/LW RAM req
>Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 14:32:28 GMT


>>>>  ...I can get 32MB of RAM locally for around $350-375. ...
>>>
>>>   What!?!
>>>
>>>   Is typo, yes?
>>>
>>>   -Jim
>>>

>>Incredibly, NO!.  RAM prices have been dropping for a few weeks now.  Those
>>numbers are for no parity 72 pin simms.  This local company regularly matches
>>or beats mail order prices in exchange for very little service.  Didya notice
>>that Gateway is selling memory?  Guess why.  I'm betting it is to dump
>>inventory befor they lose a barrel full of money as the RAM prices drop.

>i think you mean 16mg (not 32)
>--
>Cory Arnold, Horizon Film & Graphics
>http://www.izzy.net/~cory

Oh geezzz.  You are right.  I guess I have been thinking in terms of upgrades
lately and since I was surprised by the new lower prices, my goof didn't
register when others were also surprised.  Specifically, the prices quoted to
me were:

$168 for a 8mb 72 no parity simm
$355 for a 16mb 72 no parity simm

I'm told that the prices are continuing to fall, so keep your eyes open.

Sorry for the goof folks.


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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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In article <4f8gv3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David L. Campbell) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (David L. Campbell)
>Subject: Re: Lee Stranahan's Problem With NewTek
>Date: 6 Feb 1996 21:24:50 GMT

[snip]

>: I'm asked this over and over by the people I work with.  They have no
>: idea what use they'd have for owning LW themselves.  And of the dozens
>: of family members and friends who've seen LW in my office, not one of
>: them ever said to me, "How can I get into doing that?"

>Hmmm.  Maybe its the company you keep (no offense intended).  No layperson
>who sees my graphics tools asks me that either.  But a great deal of the
>ones who see my graphics *work* do ask me that.  The would-be artists.
>Creative people like to create.  Show them something compelling and
>convince them they can actually do it, and you just might create someone
>who wants it.  Make it easy to get, and heck, they might need it.
[snip]
>David.
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>David L. Campbell     The Ego Wall:

This week we had our client's (video producer) client (person having
commercial produced) ask us if she could operate Lightwave on her 486-133.
She says she likes to dabble with stuff on her PC and thought playing with LW
might be fun. She expressed no interest in pursuing 3D seriously.


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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] ("Phil South") writes:
>From: [e-mail] ("Phil South")
>Subject: Re: Lee Stranahan's Problem With NewTek
>Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:38:43 GMT

>[good coments deleted]

>> Somebody at Newtek has forgotten a very important imperative in running
>> a business. Do the things you have to do to survive, then you'll have
>> the resources to do the things you want to do. Newtek has to put a
>> stable, accessable product on the market so that they can have the
>> resources to attack the high end they so desperately want to be in.
>>
>> That's my $.02.

>And that's two cents well spent. It's a worthwhile argument, and I think
>that Lightwave Lite should be considered as an option. I mean think how
>well a cut down version of LW would sell. If sales are as important to
>NewTek as being pally with Hollywood, that is...

>My 2p.

>---
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>Phil South <[e-mail]>   "nuqDaq yuch Dapol"

We are reviewing Martin Hash's 3D Animation (I think that is what its called)
as a way of previewing Animation Master.  Apparently it is the same product as
Animation Master without many of the "professional" tools like alpha matting,
network rendering etc.  It would be interesting to see how many of each
program Hash sells.

Its easy to do armchair market analysis, but the idea of a two tier product
makes sense to me.  My girlfriend Wanda uses CorelDraw 6.0 - for fun!  It is
what she does to come home and relax.  She has a collection of "fun" graphics
programs - many of which are much more powerful than she needs.  It is
recreation for her.  My point is that there are people out there who like to
dabble, and a "light" or discounted previous version (ala Corel 3.0, 4.0,
5.0, 6.0 - all sold concurrently at different price points) might make sense
from an income or market penetration standpoint.

A counterpoint might be that Corel is NOT considered THE professional tool of
choice.  Tough call.



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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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In article <4far5j$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Leuey) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Leuey)
>Subject: Re: Lee Stranahan's Problem With NewTek
>Date: 7 Feb 1996 13:31:15 -0500

>> After all, you can see why everyone would
>>rush right out and get LW after looking at that finely crafted ad with
>>the chrome balls.

> yeah, what's with those ball anyway?  I liked the ad with the big picture
>of that "head" thing from Rundgren's Fascist Christ video - that was a
>REALLY cool image.  They should also make SOME sort of effort to point out
>Lightwave's advantages over their chief competition.  I've never seen
>anything pointing out
>Lightwave's built in bones, flares, IK, and other features vs. 3-D
>Studio's "you want 'em you buy 'em extra" approach.  It's ok to admit that
>3-D Studio is your competition, Newtek.

>later,
>greg

Sure.  How 'bout


"Here's your 3D software budget on 3DS"       3D rendering of piles of cash
                                              and piles of plugins to accompany
                                              the 3DS package.

"Here's your software budget on LightWave"    3D rendering of a penny (with
                                              lens flare - of course :^) and a
                                              single box of LightWave.

"Any questions?"

You could do the LightWave picture using the many features that must be
purchased as plugins and list/describe them in smaller print at the
bottom of the ad.

Hey NewTek.  You have my permission to use this stolen idea without
renumeration of any sort.


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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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In article <[e-mail]> Ernie Wright <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: Ernie Wright <[e-mail]>

>But virtually everyone had a typewriter, and the few that didn't had
>pens and pencils.  DP was just a nifty new way to do a very familiar
>thing.  There's nothing comparable for 3D animation.

>- Ernie

How about watercolors, colored pencils, charcoal, ink, acrylic paint, cameras,
film, etc.  Things to creat art.

Many of the things in photography translate to the 3D world for me.  There are
similarities.  Laypeople like to make pretty pictures.  They have for years.
3D is just a nifty "new" way to make an image.



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Subject: Flyer restore/backup
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Anyone know where "Project restore/backup" went in 4.1?

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In article <[e-mail]> Stephen Bailey <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: Stephen Bailey <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: Lightwave and Character Animation
>Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 01:29:03 +0000

>Peter Wu wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Has anyone used lightwave for character animation?  If so .. how easy is
>> it to do?  Are there any lightwave generated character animations or
>> pics on the net that I can take a look at?  Can anyone compare lightwave
>> with Animation Master?  Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Peter K. Wu -- [e-mail]

>The current M&M ad campaign is all LW. I wouldn't say it's the easiest type of
>animation you could do with the software, but it is doable. One important lesson
>I've learned since going to work at Vinton's is that animation is all about
>imparting soul into inanimate objects. Two pennies shyly approaching one
>another,
>one hesitant, the other suggestive and forceful, could be very easily animated
>in
>Lightwave...and that's character animation, too. It doesn't have to revolve
>around showing humanoids or great lip sync.

>Think soul. Think narrative.

>I've heard good things about Animation Master. Never used it.

>SGB


>--
>Stephen Bailey

I watched a piece on the making of Toy Story.  They said that they did all of
the figure motions trying to impart the characters' expression with "body"
language first.  THEN they added the facial expressions.

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From: [e-mail] (gery)
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Hi


Is there anyone out there who can tell me why there is no  data/programs
in the Cont32/Programs directory on the Rev C. CD ??? ( Intel ver.)
On the rev.B CD there are.

Is there a separat Windows NT Version ?  or  do NT use the same code as
Windows 3.11 ?


Regards

gery


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From: Adam Chrystie <[e-mail]>
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Welp, i noticed something interesting today. I loaded up the
flags of the world scene in the msc scene files which were
included with LW REV B. There were two flags missing from the
rendered picture..There were object representations for them in
layout however..so i clicked on them to see what it was..One
missing flag was Lybia..and the other was..GET THIS..THE NAZI
FLAG!! And guess which country it was next to?? It was placed
next to Israel!! There is also an Israeli flag in red in this
scene..which i have never seen even while i lived in Israel...

 Hrmmm...someone had a pretty sick sense of humour..

Adam Chrystie

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From: [e-mail] (Dave Paige)
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[e-mail] (Angel Freire) wrote:

>Can some kind sole please tell me where the config files
>are supposed to go so that LW (for intel) won't complain
>upon closing the program that it can't find the config files?
>Thanks..
>
>Angel Freire

Lightwave and Modeler will look for the config files in the 'Working
Directory' set in the Icon's properties. This should be set to
'drive:\Newtek\Programs

Dave Paige
Alfheim Imaging
[e-mail]

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Now that rev C have the ORP how do you use it. Or where are the
doc on it. I thought I had them somwhere but now that I need to
use it can't find them.

Thanks
Brad HAyes

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From: [e-mail] (VirtualBri)
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Ernie writes in response to Gord:

>> If NewTek marketing could [...] start to come up with some compelling
>> reasons why people from a lot of different backgrounds _NEED_ a
>> versatile [etc...] 3D program
>
>I wish *someone* would.  This is getting glossed over a lot here, like
>it's the easy part, but this is the *hard* part.  Everything else is
>just sweat.

Funny, NewTek should be doing it, and not us.   We shouldn't have to come
up with every comprehensive answer. If I get paid a lot more to do it,
maybe I'll put a lot more effort into it.

TrueSpace is marketing their program at businesses for presentations and
marketing of their own.  Basicly, they're saying why have flat, boring old
graphics, when you have have depth, and even animation?  That's just one
example off hand.  They say, make your presentation look better than your
competition's, and you'll get the sale, win the girl, retire to Tahiti,
and all those typical "It makes your life better" things ads and marketing
say.

>> Typesetting was relegated to a select few professionals who went
>> through an arduous apprenticeship process before the Mac "invented"
>> desktop publishing.
>
>But virtually everyone had a typewriter, and the few that didn't had
>pens and pencils.  DP was just a nifty new way to do a very familiar
>thing.  There's nothing comparable for 3D animation.

As with the example before, 3D is a nifty new way of doing graphics.
People are coming out with depth plug-ins for Photoshop, etc., just for
that reason.  Everyone still has paper and pencil to draw with, and some
even have illustration programs.  It's the next step up.

And while some people will be satisfied with 2D, just as some people are
satisfied with still cameras instead of video or film, many want more.
LightWave can give it to them.
--Brian
http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/
http://members.aol.com/equinoxii/

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John Tissavary | Luna Cie, Inc <[e-mail]> wrote:
: Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:

: >Fernando Benitez <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >: In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Tim Krego) writes:
: >MC is heavily promoted by people with neither the talent nor the patience
: >to develop animation skill. Mostly technical people who've used CGI for a
: >long time, but have no animation training. They are attempting to devalue
: >those who do develop the skill by telling everyone how expensive it is
: >for an animator to hand keyframe 3D animation.


: You sound like a televangelist spouting off about how rock and roll is
: Satan's music designed and promoted by child sacrificing heathens.

: Motion caputre is used by some of the best animators in the buisness
: when it is the right tool for the job.

Places with the best animators in the business don't need motion capture.
Places like Pixar and ILM (though I don't know that ILM *wouldn't* use
it). At Disney Imagineering, we have no use for it. In fact, the only
people where I work who are interested in it are programmers who know
absolutely nothing about animation, period.

: And it only devaluates the worth of animators who would shun and fear
: a tool because of their own baseless insecurities, and thereby
: mitigate the quality of their work potential.

I certainly have no baseless fears or insecurities about animation. I
resent seeing motion captured human motion pasted on cartoon characters
and seeing a company say, "look how great our animation is!" I also
resent not being able to find experienced animators, who do nothing but
animate every day for 8 hours a day for at least a year or two, which is
nothing compared to the experience drawn animators at say Disney Feature
have.

Nobody is going to get that experience either, since nearly everything I
see is done with motion capture.

It takes time to acquire a skill as difficult as animation, and motion
capture trivializes that skill when promoted as a cure all for animation.
Moreover, many CGI business are promoting motion capture as just that!

Most top *animators* I know, would never stay at a job finessing motion
capture data. Unfortunately, the ones I know have good jobs and won't
leave them.


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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] ("Phil South") writes:
>From: [e-mail] ("Phil South")
>Subject: Re: Lee Stranahan's Problem With NewTek
>Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:38:49 GMT


>> It is worth noting that Corel now bundles a 3D app with its Corel 6
>> package.  It is weak (hey - I admit that the interface was confusing to
>> me - I'm too used to LW) IMHO, but it IS there.
>>
>> We use Photoshop and LW together for animation.  I can easily envision
>> someone doing similarly for print.

>I tell you what else, if there was a cut-down version of Lightwave, could
>it be made as a plug-in for PhotoShop? Damn I give away all my good
>ideas, don't I?

>:?)

>---
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>Phil South <[e-mail]>   "nuqDaq yuch Dapol"

Sure.  You sell a special version without Modeler or animation tools in
Layout.  You have a collection of objects (clip-objects - and you sell
clip-object packages).  When you render, the plugin can bring the object in as
a layer or as a layer with alpha matte.

Well - while were being silly about it . . .

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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In article <4f7ije$[e-mail]> Michael Brunner writes:
>From: Michael Brunner
>Subject: newbie
>Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 22:49:14 GMT

>What are the minimum reqirements for PC to run
>lightwave 4.0  INTEL at reasonable speed?
>Not for production just for practicing and getting to know
>the programm?
>please help!

There is no standard for reasonable, so here is a range.

1) LW will run an a 486-33 with 4mbs.  You can even render the benchmark
scenes.  But it is dog-slow.

2) My personal opinion is that LW becomes comfortably usable on a 486 dx4-100
with 16mb.  I suggest using Win95 in this configuration.  This is hardly an
optimal configuration though. I think this would be adequate for your stated
purposes.

3) LW really starts to shine with a Pentium.  There is no point in buying less
than a P100 nowdays if you are buying new.  If you are gonna buy the Pentium,
you should seriously consider using 32mb RAM.  32mb is adequate for running
NT, but I think with 32mb you should still stick with Win 95.  If you add more
RAM, give Win NT a serious look.

What you actually use depends a lot on what you have.  If I had a slow 486
or 386, I'd upgrade the motherboard to a Cyrix 5x86 or an AMD-120 or 5x86 as a
compromise.  These chips seem to come near P75 performance levels.  I wouldn't
spend money on 30 pin simms unless you get a smokin' deal though.







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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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TV Guide is wrong, or more likely you misquoted - the FX budget is nowhere
NEAR $2mil per. Way way way way off....


_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan
Home Page renovations are well under way!
URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm


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------------------------
.  No comparable perception
of utility, real or imagined, can be attached to 3D right now, and I
submit that this is a marketing brick wall that can't be made to go
away by hand waving, to wit:
-----------------------------

Ready? Watch...

"Lemee tellya folks, I know you just watched a demo of LightWave here at
(this store, user's group, your VCR) and I know LightWave looks fun and
cool, but move in closer and I'll tell ya the big secret...

....closer still....come on in, don't be afraid!

here's the thing about LightWave - you can MAKE MONEY and HAVE FUN with
it...

Look at John Gross here - used to manage a pool store...
Ken Stranahan - worked as a museum guard...
Ron Thornton - he worked in the industry, now he's created his own show!
Lee Stranahan - High school dropout (like his brother)...built a couple of
businesses
Dan Ablan - has his own company
Ernie Wright - he does writing and programing  - not sure what he used to
do, but I'll bet this is cooler...


(repeat ad infinitum)

You see folks, Hollywood isn't hiring too many (Ray Dream, Real 3D, etc
etc) users....but LightWave owners make money, move to Hollywood if they
like, live the life of their dreams - and for a LOT less money then you
can go to film school for....heck trying RENTING another professional
system...

That's right, professional,.....THIS IS NO TOY.listen to me, I know I'm
yellnig but listen close....THERE IS NO LESS EXPENSIVE PROFESSIONAL 3D
SOFTWARE....the rest are toys, just like your yo-yo there, son....

Now.....who's buying?"

There you go....


_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan
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I've upgrade my LW40 from A revision to C. All works fine but when i try
to run Penello Lite or use AVI animation drivers i receive a message
error: "Activation Failed. Code: -2"

Why this happends? How can i solve this?

    Thanks in advance

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David Forbus <[e-mail]> wrote:

> How does an '060 compare to a 100Mhz Pentium?

It is more expensive and slower.  It will get your Amiga up to the low
end of Pentium speeds (maybe comparable to the 60 MHz ones), but not the
mid or high end.  There is no 68K chip that can touch even the P133's,
let alone the faster ones or the P6's.  (It used to be rather the other
way around; for a *long* time 68K was faster than x86, but no longer).

> cost of the computer. Expecially if you have a large investment in
> hardware/software that already gets the job done.

I agree.  I have probably 4 grand invested in Amiga software that I'd
have to mostly toss if I went to the PC.  This makes the PC an expensive
proposition.

There's also more to life than CPU performance.

  - steve

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From: Gary Culton <[e-mail]>
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ADAM,
    we talked once before.  I too went to ucsc some years back and also try
to keep up with developments with my favorite program on any platform: LW3D...
it seems to me from your net posts that you are ready to assume some development
capitol at some time soon and I for one would be interested in seeing your
latest
efforts!!
if you are able, I run Amiga and win95 so iff you can get me any sort of file
to look at I would be thankful...
                    You know Mr. Toot's?
                                Toasterman

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From: Glenn Chung <[e-mail]>
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To: Jeff Yeh <[e-mail]>

Jeff Yeh wrote:
>
>   I need some advice on setting up a PVR + capture board
> on my P90.  Here's the situation:
>
>   I have 3 PCI slots.  I plan on having one for the PVR,
> one for the capture board, and one for my existing video
> card.  That would mean that I would have to move my
> system drive to an ISA slot.  The drive is 850 mb IDE.
>
>   Would having this system drive slow down my capture,
> output, renderings, etc??  I would be running NT,
> Lightwave, and Premiere.  Would having an ISA-to-IDE
> system drive drastically slowdown animations, output,
> etc. as opposed to having a PCI-to-SCSI system drive?
> My PVR drive is the Micropolis 4 Gb AV drive.
>
> --
> "The truth is out there..."
>                 - THE X-FILES
> Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
> Internet: [e-mail]

Having your IDE controller in an ISA slot won't really affect your
capture performance because your main PVR drive will attach directly
to the PVR's internal SCSI-2 controller. The PVR writes some project
files to your system drive but the bulk of the real work is done
between the PVR and its dedicated SCSI-2 drive. You should get
excellent results with your Micropolis drive - on the order of
5MB/sec, enough for Betacam SP quality.

Glenn
Visuality LLC

P.S. The capture card doesn't sit in a PCI slot, but it could easily
make one inacessible to other cards.

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> [e-mail] (VirtualBri) wrote:
>
> >JPG, TIFF, IFF, PICT, Targa, but no GIF, most likely because they would
> >have to pay Compu$erve or whomever claims to own the format.


Call me crazy but surely reading a format doesn't require any kind of a
license, but presumably writing it might? I dunno, but I use a lot of
GIFs and it would be kinda neat to be able to load them into Lightwave. I
know I can convert them, but it would just save a little time.

my 2p.

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From: [e-mail] ("Phil South")
Subject: Re: Ionic Column Capital
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> I need the capital (top piece) of an Ionic column for an award we are
> modeling. The curly ends of the capital are rather difficult. If anyone
> knows of where to DL one, I would be appreciative, or any hints on
> modeling this?

This is a job for... MACROFORM MAN!

:?)

Sorry, I couldn't resist it.

Is it the sort of spirals on the top you are having trouble with? Short
of buying Macroform and using a railscale operation, you're a bit short
of quick and easy methods. Personally I'd extrude the basic shape and
then either make a die to cut out the spirals with a boolean op, or
spiral the curls out of the shape. Sprials have been discussed in this
group recently, but basically you have to do some kind of lathe op with
an offset in space and size.

Is that clear or am I just confusing the issue?

Actually there is a much easier way. The centre of the spiral is wider
than the outside right? Make a box, then lathe one end of the box in the
Z axis to make the curl on the end. You just lathe the spiral and expand
it in the Z axis as it gets closer to the middle. Then mirror it for the
other side.

That's it, I'm out of ideas.

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From: [e-mail] ("Phil South")
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> Does anybody know of a supplier
> in the uk for plug-ins, or a supplier
> that will take credit card orders.
> i am particulary looking for a partical
> system and a gravity plug in, (probably
> sparks 2 and impact).
> any information would be greatly
> appriciated.
>
> [e-mail]
>

Premier Vision would be your men, I suspect:

0171 721 7050.

regards

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Nanook of the South wrote:

> God help you if you might want to modle some german vehicle with a
> nazi flag getting blown up or something.... (sigh).


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Who has the wavefilter plugin?

I have sparks for Intel!

Are you interrested?

Send me a E-mail



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From: [e-mail] (Branko Collin)
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In article <4f9kah$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Dave Thomas) writes:

>While I'm not sure whether or not the dongle is an impediment to LW
>sales, or that it helped 3ds sales, I do think that one reason why 3DS
>sold so well in the past is that for a long time it had no real
>competition. Yes, I know that Topas and some other programs were
>available on the PC before 3DS, but if you ever used those programs
>(especially Topas), you'd see why 3DS came out on top. For many people
>I've interacted with, they wanted 3D software for their PC, and 3DS
>was the only viable choice.

I think this is the best proof of the existance of a prosumer market.
Real professionals wouldn't care if the software they need does not exist
on the platform they own. They would just buy the required platform.
So for the professionals, 3DS always has had tens of competitors, simply
because they look across platform bariers.
But a prosumer is much more attached to the actual box, which they have
set up and which they know how to use. They're not going to buy another
box (with all the hassle that brings) just to be able to do 3D.

So why did all these prosumer 3DS users NEED a 3D program? I don't know.
But it seems apparent that there is indeed such a need, so why not
respond to it? People have been selling medicine on the knowledge that it
worked, not why it worked, before.

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From: [e-mail] (Antony Iorio)
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Could someone explain how to make a windscreen cleaning swirl, as if
someone has wiped a rag on a windscreen in a circular motion.


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From: Glenn Chung <[e-mail]>
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Jeff Yeh wrote:
>
>   I need some advice on setting up a PVR + capture board
> on my P90.  Here's the situation:
>
>   I have 3 PCI slots.  I plan on having one for the PVR,
> one for the capture board, and one for my existing video
> card.  That would mean that I would have to move my
> system drive to an ISA slot.  The drive is 850 mb IDE.
>
>   Would having this system drive slow down my capture,
> output, renderings, etc??  I would be running NT,
> Lightwave, and Premiere.  Would having an ISA-to-IDE
> system drive drastically slowdown animations, output,
> etc. as opposed to having a PCI-to-SCSI system drive?
> My PVR drive is the Micropolis 4 Gb AV drive.
>
> --
> "The truth is out there..."
>                 - THE X-FILES
> Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
> Internet: [e-mail]

Having your IDE controller in an ISA slot won't really affect your
capture performance because your main PVR drive will attach directly
to the PVR's internal SCSI-2 controller. The PVR writes some project
files to your system drive but the bulk of the real work is done
between the PVR and its dedicated SCSI-2 drive. You should get
excellent results with your Micropolis drive - on the order of
5MB/sec, enough for Betacam SP quality.

Glenn
Visuality LLC

P.S. The capture card doesn't sit in a PCI slot, but it could easily
make one inaccessible to other cards.

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From: Adam Chrystie <[e-mail]>
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BJ wrote:
>
> > God help you if you might want to modle some german vehicle with a
> > nazi flag getting blown up or something.... (sigh).
>

  The context of the scene was totally wrong. I doubt there is any reason to ever
place a Nazi flag next to the flag of Israel. This is what is very offensive. The
scene was pitched as flags of the world and the nazi emblem doesn;t belong to any
country that i know of....i think it was placed there deliberately..to convey a
specific message..

just a tidbit of info..the germans did not create the nazi emblem...i recall that it
was a symbol of power used in ancient egypt or was it some asian symbol of power...

   It's pretty frightening that I seem to be the only one who was bothered by the
implication that the scene held..just remember your history people..genocide and the
hate that causes it knowns no boundries..we're all open targets..look what happened in
Bosnia/Hertzogovenia (spelling..yea i know)..just now we're finding the mass graves
reminicent of Hitler's concentration camps, reminicent of the fields of death in
cambodia...reminicent of the Ottomans empire treatment of the Armenians...ETC!

  If you allow the slight messages to pass as 'normal' then you too are being put
under the hegemonic influence..it may sound weird people..but that's how the strange
world of symbols works on us...just gotta keep your eyes open so you can read the
signs to see whats comming.


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From: [e-mail] (DJM2984712)
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Subject: Re: Help Find Lee Stranahan a Job!
Date: 9 Feb 1996 04:33:27 -0500
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Curses! AOL cut off the end of my post. Anyway, continuing...

In article <4fcfm3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(DJM2984712) writes:

>Unnoticed in this commotion is the fact that neither company has a
>remotely functional NLE available for public con....

......sumption. At least Play seems to have learned from NT's mistake in
setting release dates, only to break them repeatedly.

Paul's loopiness notwithstanding, Lee criticized his marketing during the
last year or two of his employment at NT as, in a nutshell, flash over
substance, style with no meat, or words to that effect. Sadly, however,
both qualities are now missing from NT's advertising---no meat, no
substance, no hooks, no style, no nothing. But I'll get back to that in a
minute. For now, why is it that these efforts by Paul, which were
described at the time as, to be kind, sub-par, now considered so wonderful
and excellent? Is his work being judged on its own merits, in comparison
to other successful marketing campaigns, or are we simply now comparing
his work to Donetta's in hindsight? Arguably, ANYTHING would look good in
comparison to the latter.

What exactly ARE Donetta's qualifications for her current job? Has she
ever successfully marketed anything in her career? If so, where are the
articles in the trade mags, the TV spots on the Discovery channel and the
Home Shopping Network? Why the shelves not full of Lightwave at CompUSA
and Incredible Universe?

Other random thoughts/questions: Regarding the alleged "brain drain" at
NewTek, weren't the programmers who left, responsible for the stuttering
Flyer software which had to be rewritten from the ground up and is now, by
many accounts, a relatively stable piece of work?  Might these programmers
also have sabotaged NewTek to give them some time to get their own
products to market after they quit while NewTek is left cleaning up the
mess they left behind? Or were they simply not the "brains" they've been
made out to be?

What is with Tim's obsession with the Amiga? Are we to believe he is so
market-unsavvy as to not see the writing on wall and realize PC products
could bring his "revolution" to more people than he ever dreamed of? Not
to mention the additional financial security it would bring to his small,
entrepeneurial company, rather than just trying to hang on & keep their
heads above water while they survive one disaster after another. Why
couldn't Paul (or anyone else for that matter) get through to him and what
led to his sudden change of heart a few weeks before last year's NAB? The
concern that his new rival Paul might capture the hearts and minds of
Commodore-phobic desktop videographers?

I have a sick feeling that neither Paul nor Tim will accomplish apart what
they could have accomplished together. Lennon-McCartney; Plant-Page;
Taylor-Fortensky (oops, sorry. Was distracted by Hard Copy).

Cheers!

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Subject: Re: Help Find Lee Stranahan a Job!
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In article <4fd9uf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Stranahan) writes:

>I've also explained the differences between '94 and '95 NAB - I've been
on
>both sides, and the NewTek lasertag thing was a retarded little revenge
>move that backfired. The 94 Play meeting backfired on them, too -
remember
>those purple tuxes? In both cases, I was on the 'right' side and I called
>them as I saw them.

Good calls in both cases, but it seems to prove my point that this whole
one-upsmanship game between the two of them is patently juvenile and
petty. Don't they have bigger fish to fry? They both look sad when they
spend so much of their time ripping each other rather than focusing on the
attributes of their respective products. Do I smell attack ads as their
next marketing strategy? It IS an election year after all and a marketing
program chock-full of mud-slinging would not be out of place.

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From: Andrew Hofman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: TELL ME THE BEST SOFTWARE? LIGHTWAVE,SOFTIMAGE,REAL3D
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 1996 08:37:09 -0500
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MuMan wrote:
>
> Softimage is best package but $7500.
> Lightwave is the best bang for the buck, $800, and easy to use.
> Real3D is almost impossible to use for animation.

How dare you say that! Lightwave is the best! I'm gonna flame you! Arrrrrrgh!

Just kidding. Actually, I understand an OpenGL card is *not* an option if
you're going to run Softimage on a WindowsNT platform. So that's an
additional expense right at the front door. Is this incorrect?

--
Andrew Hofman
LumaQuest Productions
[e-mail]
513-643-7333

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[e-mail] (DJM2984712) wrote:

>Curses! AOL cut off the end of my post. Anyway, continuing...

>In article <4fcfm3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>(DJM2984712) writes:

>>Unnoticed in this commotion is the fact that neither company has a
>>remotely functional NLE available for public con....

>......sumption. At least Play seems to have learned from NT's mistake in
>setting release dates, only to break them repeatedly.

Yep!  They've got the procedure down pat it seems.  Wasn't the Trinity
supposed to be out in the fall of '95?  Now it's Fall 96...

...Not that it bothers me.  It will be a bit longer than that before I
can afford to buy one.

       -- Mike "gotta buy the house to put it in first..." Bartman --


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Subject: WAS Re: "THE BOXER" -- If it works, who gives a F#@!
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 1996 09:38:55 -0500
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> Believe me, I worked 7 long years as a clay animator at another
> studio full of great, creative, excited people, working on some of the
> most egregious (yet famous) crapola, just because it was our "bread and
> butter", and believe me, it was at least 4 years too long, and many of
> those folks aren't nearly so "excited" anymore.

(snip)

> That's how it
> started out for my former employers but it eventually became a daily
> grind of "the customer is allways right, no matter how stupid".
>

When I started in straight video production, the glitzy shine wore off as I
realized there would be an endless stream of dumb clients. Even with the
occasional decent one, it started to become a soul-killing endurance test.
That may have been partly my own fault, as I became extremely bored solving
the same shooting, lighting and editing problems all the time. It was love
all over again when I discovered 3D animation, with more varied and
interesting problems to solve. But the never-ending parade of chrome and
gold flying logos has gotten to be somewhat of a drag (They all want the
same thing, hence same generic problems done to death). Ultimately, becoming
a self-sustaining enterprise through one's own in-house projects would be
nice. As we can see, this is very difficult. Pixar's still trying to get in
the black, though I'm sure they'll make it there pretty soon.

As far as MoCap, I agree it's totally out of place for a lot of "cartoony"
stuff, which relies on highly exaggerated poses and movement (having an
actual skeleton is one of our annoying limitations). Humans simply aren't
capable of such wildly elastic motion, so it makes little sense to put one
in a suit and try to use him for that purpose. Running MoCap data through an
exaggeration filter or something still leaves unmistakable (and unwanted)
cues. Even "realistic"-looking Marvel characters are posed in ways that,
while technically possible for humans (sometimes), still look odd when
attempted by live actors. It's not JUST the poses, but how the characters
get from Pose A to Pose B that live actors can't convincingly duplicate. If
it looks patently wrong, even to the untrained eye, then yes, it's seriously
wrong. If it looks wrong to animators and great to everyone else, then maybe
it's still wrong, but then again, crappy prerecorded cassettes outsold LP's
for years. What does that tell you about public taste?

--
Andrew Hofman
LumaQuest Productions
[e-mail]
513-643-7333

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From: [e-mail] (Jason M. Cahill)
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Subject: Lightwave 4.0 support NURBS?
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Hi All,

I am considering buying a copy of Lightwave 4.0 for my Pentium 166, but
I was wondering if it supported NURBS.  Also, what how well does it
respond as a Windows program.  I used to have an Amiga, and its modelling
and rendering programs were always the best, but how does the interface
translate to a PC?

Thanks a lot,

Jason M. Cahill


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In article <4fbucp$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>I -know- Play isn't coming back; the reason I bring them up is 1) I
>learned marketing from Paul Montgomery, president of Play and one of the
>main architects (along with Mark Randall and Tim Jenison) of the NewTek
>marketing philosophy. 2) They used to be NewTek marketing, and frankly a
>lot of newbies have no clue how good NewTek marketing used to be and 3)
>they are good and successful.

I'll play Devil's advocate for a moment.  NewTek was very successful
in comparison to the other Amiga companies.  But did they really
sell that many Toasters, as compared to relatively unknown but
equally-priced products in the PC market?  Sure, they had lots
of wonderful PR and marketing hype that many people swallowed.
You and I probably know how many Toasters were sold.

Perhaps another way to look at it is that for those people involved,
NewTek was the training ground, and Play was the more successful
company, at least in terms of reported income, which is pretty much
the story for any competent company or person who was embedded in
the Amiga market, and managed to keep their job or company afloat
in another non-Amiga market.

So what's your point?

- John


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From: [e-mail] (John Foust)
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In article <4f9a15$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>By the way, let me reveal one of my methods. There are people at NewTek
>who take anything negative I say, print it, and bring to straight to Tim
>to show what a jerk I am. So, the message is getting there, BUT I have to
>say negative things - the positive stuff I write never gets to Tim's desk.
>This is why I called this thread 'Lee Stranahan's Problem With NewTek' - I
>wanted a big red flag for the weasels to notice...
>
>hehhehhehehehehehehehhehehehehehehh

I've always said that the absolutely best way to use the Net (of
any flavor, CIS, AOL, Internet, etc.) is to shut up and listen,
and never make your presence known by posting.

Seeing that I don't follow my own best advice, I'll say this:

It's unreasonable to expect anyone to want to engage in a
personal flame-fest in public.  I don't think you should expect
a public response from anyone at NewTek, and it's unreasonable
to ask for one, as you did in a previous message.  You're not
using this medium to its best advantage.

- John


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I'm in need of someone in Cedar Rapids Iowa with a Video Toaster 4000 to test
out some new effects I'm creating. If your interested contact me at 378-9648 or
e-mail me adt [e-mail].


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In article <4fd9uf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>You know, I started to write the whole story - it's just too long.
>
>VTU became Pravda.

So you're saying that I can use a Snappy to make texture maps
for LightWave, and that's why you keep talking about Play?

:-)

- John


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In the 'MAYBE you can make a difference department'...

NewTek has a new head of marketing, Jim Parsons. Jim came to NewTek about
a year ago and formally worked at Novell. Former Marketing head Donetta
Colbach has been 'transferred' to a new job as Assistant to the President
or something like that.



_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan
Home Page renovations are well under way!
URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm


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> Tim has told
> me many times that they are not 'the LightWave company'.  I CAN let go of
> the Toaster - in fact, I have already. But not LightWave.
>
> LightWave is TOO damn good and too damn important, and I use it in my work
> almost everyday. So does my brother, and many of my friends. If NewTek
> screws it up, it's bad for a lot of people I like, and bad for me.
>
> Lee Stranahan

And it's pretty friggin' bad for me. After all the years and money I have poured
into a 100% LightWave-based operation, am I going to have to start looking at
Softimage or 3DS Max? If NewTek is unwilling to pursue aggressive development of
LW, then I have serious doubts regarding their ability to stay at the top of the
pack. They are competing with companies who produce strictly software, or
worse, strictly animation-related software! Compared to those guys, NewTek is
diddling around with their promotional efforts. A small software-only company,
with nothing better to do than market and develop Lightwave, could have
practically ruled the world with it by now. Look how it's doing in real life.

Granted, NewTek is still going through some tough times, and they do have other
irons in the fire, drawing funds and personnel away from LW. But that could be at
least partially solved if they worked at just selling a lot more more copies!
The current release is very strong, so at the moment that's a problem for
marketing, not R&D. They're blowing sales opportunities left and right (such as
the pre-3DS Max market), and tripping over their own half-hearted marketing
efforts. . . Whoops. I just realized I'm "NewTek bashing". That's real bad,
right? Even when it's out of concern for their welfare?

As I said, the 4.0 release is great, but competition means it won't stay that
way. What do they have planned next?
--
Andrew Hofman
LumaQuest Productions
[e-mail]
513-643-7333

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Wow... $350 for 32MB. Sign me up...

Someone please post a phone-number where I (we all?) can get that ram!!



Dan Zimmerman


e-mail [e-mail]
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Phil South wrote:

>
> And that's two cents well spent. It's a worthwhile argument, and I think
> that Lightwave Lite should be considered as an option. I mean think how
> well a cut down version of LW would sell. If sales are as important to
> NewTek as being pally with Hollywood, that is...

        That's a great idea.
    I know over a dozen people off hand, that would
    by a "Lite" version tomorrow, if it were available.
    No bones, no IK, no Plug-in's... it's a great idea,
    to get people started... just like the Penello Lite.

    :) Dan

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Walter (Jay) Turberville wrote:

> How about watercolors, colored pencils, charcoal, ink, acrylic paint, cameras,
> film, etc.  Things to creat art.
>
> Many of the things in photography translate to the 3D world for me.  There are
> similarities.  Laypeople like to make pretty pictures.  They have for years.
> 3D is just a nifty "new" way to make an image.________________________________________________________________________________


    Well, if you've worked with even the Pennello Lite version,
    a lot of LightWave's renders can have that "Charcoal" look, and so on.
    And, with the Pennello Pro, you can go even further. Aside from
    NewTek's poor marketing, they are on the right track with the
    Plug-In architecture.

    I too, came from a photography background, and agree that many
    things translate to 3D, from photography.

    :)Dan

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From: [e-mail] (Equinox II)
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>Call me crazy but surely reading a format doesn't require any kind of a
>license, but presumably writing it might? I dunno, but I use a lot of
>GIFs and it would be kinda neat to be able to load them into Lightwave. I

>know I can convert them, but it would just save a little time.
>
>my 2p.

Phil, last I heard, there was some petty squabble about the "rights" to
the GIF format, and companies were being charged for including GIF support
in their programs.  Obviously, this pissed a lot of companies, as well as
people, off.  NewTek was porting LightWave during part of this, so I can
understand if they said "forget it" so they wouldn't have to pay.

We'll just have to convince someone to write a sharware plug-in for
conversion.
--Brian

Equinox Images, Inc.
http://members.aol.com/equinoxii/

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From: [e-mail] (Equinox II)
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Subject: Re: TELL ME THE BEST SOFTWARE? LIGHTWAVE,SOFTIMAGE,REAL3D
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From PC Graphics and Video:
"Softimage 3D 3.0 requires a computer running Window NT 3.51 (with Service
Pack 2 installed) with at least 64 MB RAM, 1 GB free hard-disk space, and
an OpenGL-supported 3D graphics accelerator card.  It is priced at
approximately $7,995."

So it's no lightwave, um, I mean lightweight as far as system requirements
are concerned.  Or cost.
--Brian
Equinox Images, Inc.
http://members.aol.com/equinoxii/

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not a very good price when you can consistantly get the newer PVR and
daughter card for 2400.00 and the price of hard drives is falling to where
3,000 will get you a new, better syste then what you're selling - at the
same cost.

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> > Hi.  I'm trying to build a convincing city skyline for a project I'm
> > working on.  I've made the buildings and the texture maps for the
> > effectr of having "lights" on in the windows....

    If the image maps just don't work for you,
    try using the grid texture surface.

    Or, stencil the windows in, in modeler.
    For that "window" surface, use a bit of
    luminosity, and try adding a "glow" to them.

    Just a thought.

    Dan Ablan

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Stranahan ([e-mail]) wrote:
> In the 'MAYBE you can make a difference department'...
>
> NewTek has a new head of marketing, Jim Parsons. Jim came to NewTek about
> a year ago and formally worked at Novell. Former Marketing head Donetta
> Colbach has been 'transferred' to a new job as Assistant to the President
> or something like that.

Novell, huh?  Probably means that they'll start *selling* the SDK to
developers instead of giving it away.  (I'm only kidding, Stuart. =|^)

Since I'm only slightly maroon-colored, I'll continue to hold my breath...

--
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Virtual Visions,Inc.| Power attracts pathological personalities.  It is not
Tel: [phone] | that power corrupts, but that it is magnetic to the
FAX: [phone] | corruptible.  Such people have a tendency to become
                    | drunk on violence, a condition to which they are
[e-mail]    | quickly addicted              - Frank Herbert
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> of quick and easy methods. Personally I'd extrude the basic shape and
> then either make a die to cut out the spirals with a boolean op, or
> spiral the curls out of the shape. Sprials have been discussed in this
> group recently, but basically you have to do some kind of lathe op with
> an offset in space and size.
>
> Is that clear or am I just confusing the issue?

Something a little simpler: sketch or make a curve that would follow the
center of the scroll, rail extrude the scroll along that curve and do a
boolean union into the column.

Andrew Weiler
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Since the present Rev of LW 4.0 doesn't like to import TrueType fonts
correctly, that pretty much leaves just the PostScript fonts.  Can
anyone suggest an obtainable PS font viewer that can be used to generate
printed font samples?


Get back to me via Internet E-mail if ya like at:
            [e-mail]
                    or
          [e-mail]

M.

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After loading NT into my ststem (with windows 3.1) everything works fine
except when I try and save an AVi animation in NT.  I get this same
messege when trying to load the NT-AVI plug in.
"The procedure entry port private5 could not be located in the dynamic
link library WINMM.DLL"

Any ideas?

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  In some ways I actualy think the spaceships on Babylon 5 are better designed,
at least a bit more realistic, with multi axis rockets like on the fighter, or
the Leonov like battlecruiser with rotating sections for gravity, or those lovely
alien shapes like the Minbari or Vorlon ships.  B5 often seems to blow it a bit
when it comes to fine detailing and texture mapping.  The ships are often made
very smooth and simplistic, and they often just slap on a repeating texute map
of just different colored grey rectangles, the ships looking very flat and seamless.

  On S:AAB, the models have all kinds of little details that add a sense of realism
like scuff marks and micrometerite pitting, and little dents and rivets, hullplates,
and nose art and little symbols and graphics painted on the ships.



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Equinox II wrote:
>
> From PC Graphics and Video:
> "Softimage 3D 3.0 requires a computer running Window NT 3.51 (with Service
> Pack 2 installed) with at least 64 MB RAM, 1 GB free hard-disk space, and
> an OpenGL-supported 3D graphics accelerator card.  It is priced at
> approximately $7,995."
>
> So it's no lightwave, um, I mean lightweight as far as system requirements
> are concerned.  Or cost.
> --Brian
> Equinox Images, Inc.
> http://members.aol.com/equinoxii/

I just received SI/NT (now I'm still waiting for the Intergraph-don't
ask) and in the install booklet it states that you can use SI WITHOUT
the openGL card but will adversely affect performance.  Still need at
least 64MB ram (and a 3 button mouse).

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From: [e-mail] (ToastRGuy)
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Subject: Re: Flyer restore/backup
Date: 9 Feb 1996 16:23:24 -0500
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Backup is choice on the project save window
Restore is done by simply clicking on the "Fly Tape" icon under Volumes.

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In article <4fcfm3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(DJM2984712) writes:
>Re Play and NewTek
>Unnoticed in this commotion is the fact that neither company has a
>remotely functional NLE available for public con

Excuse me?  Have you seen the Flyer 4.07 thru 4.1 lately?
The hundreds of people using them professionaly, daily might disagree.


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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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Who from NewTek did this?



_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan
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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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See, it's tricky when there's a long post with a bunch of questions.

First, as to my criticism of NewTek marketing.

On a scale of 1 - 10, I considered 'old days' NewTek marketing generally
around a 8-9.

When I wrote my column, NewTek marketing had become like a 6.5..and I
hated that. My goal was to turn some bad things around, such as the 'we
drive sports cars' arrogance, and lo and behold on the Flyer rollout at
NAB, I did. But I didn't run things...

Currently, NewTek is a 1.1. Play is operating at about 8-9 (this is
Snappy, mainly)

Paul is doing better without Tim - everyone at Play seems to be. They are
happy, and manking money, and Play is 'cool' in the way NewTek used to be.
I visited there a month or so ago and it really seemed like old NewTek.

These programmers left (by and large) pre-Flyer. They are certainly not
responsible for SHIPPING the stuttery Flyer, either.


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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Gleeson)
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Subject: Re: Need help making LW cityscape
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Fernando Martins) wrote:
>>>baiscally a series of white boxes against a black background.
>>>I apply the maps as a luminosity map, the they are invisible.  No
>>>lights.  Nothing but big, hunks of darkened building.  The maps do not
>>>show up at all.  This is probably attributed to the fact that there is
>>>very little light in the scene (takes place at night).  I raised the
>>>objects luminosity to 100% and still no change.
>>>Does ANYONE know how I can make this scene have fully lit windows in a
>>>nighttime enviroment?
>>>Please e-mail me directly with your responses.

I had a job in recently with a similar situation and found the texture map
option did not look all that good, even after playing with luminosity and
other factors.

The best result was obtained by making an array of windows that were applied
to the sides of the buildings and spending a bit of time assigning different
surfaces to them  - i.e. surface 1 was a bright window, surface 2 was a medium
window and surface 3 was a dark window (almost black but not quite). I then
assigned these surfaces randomly to the windows and then S-Drill/Stenciled
them to the side of the buildings. These surfaces also had a bit of fractal
noise added to them and with luminosity up around 70% plus a background fog to
dark greyish brown, you have a city at night.

Hope that helps

Cheers

Kevin Gleeson
Hobart TAS OZ

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From: [e-mail] (CHaubensak)
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Subject: Re: Meshpaint demo
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We haven't posted the demo in too many places yet. It is available in our
Compuserve forum (GO POSITRON), and will soon be available on our Web page
(www.3dgraphics.com), and AOL.

If you'd tell me where you'd like to see it, we'll post it there.

Brent

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+-- [e-mail] (Mark Whitney) writes:
| Since the present Rev of LW 4.0 doesn't like to import TrueType fonts
| correctly, that pretty much leaves just the PostScript fonts.  Can

Rev C of Modeler should work correctly with TT fonts.  As for PostScript
fonts, you can buy a $20 CD-ROM with 2000 fonts and a booklet with
samples of each one.
--
    Stuart Ferguson        ([e-mail])
        "How do you compute that?  Where on the
         graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?"

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From: [e-mail] (Elfwork)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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>Re: N!@# flag (Indecent word removed pending Gov't approval)
In article <[e-mail]>, Adam Chrystie
<[e-mail]> writes:
>  If you allow the slight messages to pass as 'normal' then you too are
being put
>under the hegemonic influence..it may sound weird people..but that's how
the strange
>world of symbols works on us...just gotta keep your eyes open so you can
read the
>signs to see whats comming.
I totally agree that the scene was stupid, inaccurate, and offensive.

As the poor guy from NewTek explained, he did _try_ to remove the flag,
but just missed the null object. I've never loaded the scene, and doubt I
ever will need to.

I've seen the pictures & films, and read lots about, and would _NEVER_
trivialize the atrocities that occured to the Jews. (Nor to the survivors
of Hiroshima for that matter..)
(I can see the pictures of emaciated bodies being shoveled into pits if I
close my eyes. I remember seeing children with their flesh dripping from
them like rotten cheesecloth.)
(And yes, this happened in Bosnia, and probably continues to this day in
despotic countries around the world. The haunting similarities between the
Serbian and Nazi concentration camps makes my skin crawl. [We all saw that
ITN footage over three years ago!!] But, try telling that to the
'ostriches' in our government who can justify fighting for money (oil) but
not for human rights!?!)

On the other hand, it's clear that NewTek tried to _censor_ their object
so as not to offend people. To ask them to send a letter of apology to all
owners would only give the fool who created this travesty the publicity
he/she so desperately desires. (Whoever created the scene is probably just
loving the notoriety of this thread. Is there a name anywhere in the scene
file?)

Considering the President of the United States just signed into law one of
the greatest restrictions to (your) free speech on the interent, maybe you
should spend a little of your energy fighting the enemies of freedom at
home?

Why don't you take this to alt.politics, where people like to spend time
arguing this stuff?


Erik Flom - ELF Works 3D Construction Co.
P.O. Box 459
Alameda, CA 94501-9559
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From: [e-mail] (Slaven Radic)
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Andrew Hofman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Richard Norman wrote:

>> Yes, the on-board controller is superior to even the PCI bus from what
>> I'm hearing. That is why I'm still considering the Flyer as well.
>> One downside to the on-board controllers is that tape backup may be
>> slower or more difficult. Is the Perception fast and easy to backup?
>>

>Perception files, and the drive itself, are treated like any others. Except
>you can ONLY have Perception files on that drive. They may be copied and
>backed up in the normal manner, so your backup device would be attached to
>the computer, not the Perception. Backing up is about as fast as it would be
>from a system drive.

I jsut wanted to mention that you can copy files of _any_ type to a
Perception hard drive. I haven't tried under Windows NT (as the PVR
File Manager does not exist under NT) but under Win95 just use the
PVR File Manager and use DOS Copy, if I remember correctly, to
transfer files over. You cannot use them off the PVR disk but it's
very useful for backing up stuff. This is also outlined in the manual.

Slaven.
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Espen Blikstad <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Does anyone know how to use lwsn.exe file?
>I have tried "lwsn.exe -2 job1 ack1", but I think "ack1" is wrong.
>Lightwave wont detect other CPU's.

>Please reply to [e-mail]

Make sure you use full filenames, with the path included.
As in  lwsn.exe -2 n:\sn\job1 n:\sn\ack1   where n: is the
letter of your network drive which each computer can see.
ack1 is okay, just make sure it's got the same number as the
job parameter and don't assign the same number to any two
machines.

Slaven.
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From: [e-mail] (vinnie)
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Where can I find this wavefilter plugin for Lightwave 4.0 Intel.
Cane sombody help me with this.
I have sparks maybe we can exchange.
Thanks and have a nice day

E-mail to [e-mail]


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>Who has the wavefilter plugin?
>I have sparks for Intel!
>Are you interrested?

I do... its good
great, glad to hear it.
not really.


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From: Ace Miles <[e-mail]>
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Creative Visions wrote:
>
> Just to throw out a question that I have been wondering about. What's the
> diffrenece between the Lightwave versions across platforms? They have a
> NT for intel version and a NT for Alpha version. If a alpha runs NT and a
> pentium runs NT what would the diffrence be? wouldnt both versions be the
> same? Obviously their would be a speed diffrence depending on MHz speed.
>
> Just a thought... anyone know otherwise???
>
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The Alpha version has just been compiled for Alpha. That's the dif.

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I'm looking for cool animations (made with a 3D program) in any
(avi,mov,qt,mpg,fli,flc,anm) format to upgrade my collection of
3D Graphic animations.

So if you have a cool anim for me please reply to me with a link where I
can get my hands on it so that I can jump right to it.

I'm especialy interesed in Sci-fi animations.

"IF Possible" - a discription of the animation with it...
              - email the link to me...
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From: Prem Subrahmanyam <[e-mail]>
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To: Stuart Ferguson <[e-mail]>

Stuart Ferguson wrote:
>
> +-- [e-mail] (Mark Whitney) writes:
> | Since the present Rev of LW 4.0 doesn't like to import TrueType fonts
> | correctly, that pretty much leaves just the PostScript fonts.  Can
>
> Rev C of Modeler should work correctly with TT fonts.  As for PostScript
> fonts, you can buy a $20 CD-ROM with 2000 fonts and a booklet with
> samples of each one.
> --
>         Stuart Ferguson         ([e-mail])
>                 "How do you compute that?  Where on the
>                  graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?"

Sorry to burst your bubble, Stuart, but I just tried under
Rev C and still have detached holes in my TT font generated
text.  It's not a real problem for me, as the Corel 4 fonts
that I have installed do have PS analogues on CD-Rom that I
can get at (it is a pain, however, to manually search through
the cryptic filenames to find the appropriate font, but, oh
well).

---Prem
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From: [e-mail] (DJM2984712)
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In article <4fge3e$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(ToastRGuy) writes:

>Excuse me?  Have you seen the Flyer 4.07 thru 4.1 lately?

As a matter of fact I have. I bought in at 4.07 last October, when it was
supposedly cooked. To date, I've been through three cards (two of them
subject to a recall that was supposedly done last summer); 3 BNC cables; 2
drive bays; 2 bad hard drives; and four bad fans on the drive bays.

4.1 didn't start officially shipping to end users until late this week. NT
expects it to take 2 to 3 weeks for everyone to receive their copy.

In any case, it's no hurry, since the last Flyer card I got (after sending
back the defective one) is back at NewTek for the recall work.

In addition, the context of my statement that neither NT nor Play had a
functional NLE was meant to reflect what was going on at the time of NAB.
Unfortunately, I hit the "S" key instead of the "D" key. Has vs. Had.
Should have been "had." Mea Culpa.

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Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Help Find Lee Stranahan a Job!
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In article <4ffl61$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael D. Bartman)
writes:

>Wasn't the Trinity supposed to be out in the fall of '95?  Now it's Fall
96...

Wonder if it will be totally bug and stutter free when it IS released?

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Subject: Re: Help Find Lee Stranahan a Job!
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In article <4fft6l$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Stranahan) writes:

>My goal was to turn some bad things around, such as the 'we
>drive sports cars' arrogance, and lo and behold on the Flyer rollout at
>NAB, I did. But I didn't run things...

The one that still gets under my skin is the shot of Tim and Paul swimming
in money on that plane or bus or whatever.

>Currently, NewTek is a 1.1.

So what do you know about this Jim Parsons guy? Step up? Step down? Or
sidestep? Did he arrive on the scene about the same time you departed?
What do the folks at NT have to say about this guy and if he's been there
for a year already, what's he been doing all this time?

>Paul is doing better without Tim - everyone at Play seems to be. They are
>happy, and manking money, and Play is 'cool' in the way NewTek used to
be.
>I visited there a month or so ago and it really seemed like old NewTek.

As we already know your take on NewTek's marketing and morale, how would
you compare the two companies currently in terms of the size and quality
of their programmers, engineers, and R & D department?

>These programmers left (by and large) pre-Flyer. They are certainly not
>responsible for SHIPPING the stuttery Flyer, either.

Agreed. Horrible move. But, to quote Stanislaw Jerzy Lec, "No snowflake in
an avalanche ever feels responsible."

Have a nice weekend!

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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Subject: Re: Hardware Recommendation Request
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In article <4fb0fj$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jerry Brady) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Jerry Brady)
>Subject: Hardware Recommendation Request
>Date: 7 Feb 1996 20:01:54 GMT

>Lightwavers:

>I am specifying the requirements for a IBM/PC-based lightwave platform and
>have a few questions for the initiated.  I'd appreciate any and all input
>from those of you with experience in the field.

>[base hardware platform is a P166(w/512k cache) and 32Meg EDO RAM]

>o) What graphics board(s) would you recommend?  Specifically ones which
>   contain hardware 3-D acceleration that LW can take advantage of?

I am a minimalist in this area.  I don't think you need anything more than a
PCI card with 2mb DRAM which is enough for a 800x600 24 bit picture.  However,
some of these new "3D" boards might be worthwhile when the group matures a
bit.  My Diamond Stealth Video works fine and displays LW correctly.  So do
others.  I do final viewing via a PVR on a NTSC monitor.  That's where it
counts IMHO

>o) What type/model of display(17") would you recommend?

Mag DX17f or DX1795 are good monitors at a good price.  Three year warranty.
you can get better monitors for more money though.  If I was spending big
bucks, I'd look at Nokia, Sony Trinitron, and NEC.

>o) From following this group, it appears that Windows NT Workstation is
>   better suited to LW than Windows 95.  Is this true and what are the
> some of the reasons?

NT is more robust, more advanced and more expensive.  It uses more RAM as well.
Win 95 is less stable, cheaper and uses less RAM.  It used to be that
rendering in Layout was noticeably faster under NT.  Rev. C has
improved Win95 Layout rendering speeds greatly and the gap isn't that
big any more.  I say that 32mb systems should use Win 95 and systems with more
RAM should look at NT seriously.  Opinions differ greatly on this though.

>Thanks in
advance,>====================================================================>=
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In article <4fg78v$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Stranahan) writes:
>Who from NewTek did this?
That's where the whole problem seems to arise from.
I don't think NewTek is really at fault.

Being one of the donors for objects on the release CD, and having dealt
directly with the guy (can't remember his name), I'm sure the presence of
this flag was purely the work of some third party who added his scene to
the CD. (Given the errors in conversion of my bowling pin scene, I could
see as to how the guy at NewTek just missed the null object that pointed
to the flag in question.)

Personally, I don't mind berating the _creator_ of the scene (which was
_w/o question_ tasteless), but to hold NewTek responsible for a NullObject
called 'N___ flag' in a scene that _should_ have at least one hundred
flags.......

Well, it seems a little petty.



Erik Flom - ELF Works 3D Construction Co.
P.O. Box 459
Alameda, CA 94501-9559
internet: [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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In article <4fd9vc$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Stranahan) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
>Subject: Re: Lee Stranahan's Problem With NewTek
>Date: 8 Feb 1996 11:56:12 -0500

> think attacking 3DS now is a bad idea since MAX is getting
>rave reviews, but flaunting Lightwave's accomplishments is definitly a
>good idea.
>-----------------------------------

>Agreed - now. NewTek BLEW that window, and boy oh boy I really tried (when
>I worked there) on that one. Getting 3DS seats was job one, and there was
>a way to do that - they were very very vulernable...those days are gone
>for right now, 3dS owners will wait for MAX...


>_____________________________________________
>Lee Stranahan
>Home Page renovations are well under way!
>URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm

My only counter point to the criticisms of my fine ad idea :^)  -  is that
MAX will still cost significantly more than LightWave even though it will be
more feature rich than 3DS.  If "bang for the buck" is a real advantage of
your product, it is not "chasing the competition" to point out the greater
value of your product.  It is promoting your products positive attributes.

But I do agree that the window on my "stolen" idea is probably closed.


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>If they want, I will get back in touch with UCLA Extension, one of the
>premiere film and video extension education programs in the world, and try
>to work a deal for a LightWave class.  I'll even try to find some "expert"
>to teach it.  All they have to do is provide software, keep it upgraded,
>and if they'd like, tell people when it is available.  I'll be the go
>between, I'll do the footwork.  OK?

>There, now don't ever say all I did was just bitch and moan about you
>guys. I still believe this company has more places to go.  I'm just hoping
>it's upward, since I don't really want to have to go back to using dogs
>like 3DS.
>--Brian
>http://members.aol.com/virtualbri/
>http://members.aol.com/equinoxii/

Hey - if Glendale Community College bought LightWave - NewTek can thank us.
We strongly suggested they investigate. They are the only community college in
the Phoenix area teaching 3D animation (as far as I know).


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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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In article <[e-mail]> Ernie Wright <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: Ernie Wright <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: Lee Stranahan's Problem With NewTek
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:28:57 -0500

>> As with the example before, 3D is a nifty new way of doing graphics.

>Isn't anyone going to acknowledge that 3D is a *lot* harder than 2D?
>My 3-year-old can (and does) use paint software, because it's exactly
>analogous to media she already understands.  The construction of 3D
>surfaces and their placement and orientation in 3D camera space are
>things most adults can't do, even in principle, and this goes directly
>to the assertion that the Photoshop and 3D markets are virtually the
>same.

>- Ernie

3D animation certainly is.  Canned scenes and "clip-objects" would certainly
help.

LightWave 3.5 SA for Amiga came with a basic tape by Lee S.  Excellent
documentation and good training tools will help a LOT.

I would not say that the LW and Photoshop markets are the same.  I would say
not to understimate the amount of money people will spend on hobbies and
pastime activities.

I was constantly amazed how much "wanna be" photographers would spend on the
latest greatest photography gizmo while I used my fully mechanical Minolta
SRT100 and SRT201.  What they really needed was a "point and shoot" camera.  I
wonder how many people never use the advanced features of Photoshop.  Heck - I
consider myself a beginner in the Photoshop area. I think most people only
play with filters/effects.  People will buy LightWave to play with it.  I just
don't know how many will.



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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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Subject: Re: ScreamerNet Problems on Netwoked Machine
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In article <4fbvne$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael Graveen) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Michael Graveen)
>Subject: ScreamerNet Problems on Netwoked Machine
>Date: 8 Feb 1996 04:55:10 GMT

>        Hi, I just set up screamernet on a 2 machine network.
>Screamernet runs fine on the host machine, but when I try to
>initialize LWSN.EXE from the networked machine I get an error
>that it can't find the "HIIP.dll" (just the first of many .dll's
>it can't find). I thought when screamernet was initialized accross
>the network it didn't need any supporting LW files on the networked
>machine (the machine LW isn't on). Sorry if this sounds confusing,
>but right now I am. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
>in advance.

>        Michael Graveen

I don't have the manual handy, but your problem is probably the pathnames in
your LW.cfg files.  What happens is that the SNII program uses the same .cfg
files as Layout.  If the .cfg file has an entry that loads a plugin and has a
path like c:\newtek\plugin\whatever.p, then the SNII will look for that plugin
in that exact path on the machine where it is running.  The plugin may or may
not be there.  C:\ refers to different physical drives depending on where a
program is executing.  Each PC has a C: drive after all.

There a few ways of dealing with this, but what I now do is make sure all .cfg
files have UNC (Universal Naming Convention) paths.  The look something like
this:

\\P100\c\newtek\plugin\whatever.p

Where P100 is the name of a particular PC on the network and "c" is the shared
name of C:\ on the P100 PC.  The beauty of this is that any PC on the network
now "knows" exactly where this path/file is.  There are probably other ways of
dealing with this, but this is what I now do.  Also, I name a shared drive the
same as it's local designation except that I call all CD drives "cd".

I hope this helps.

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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In article <[e-mail]> Espen Blikstad <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: Espen Blikstad <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Network Rendering
>Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 13:42:30 +0100

>Does anyone know how to use lwsn.exe file?
>I have tried "lwsn.exe -2 job1 ack1", but I think "ack1" is wrong.
>Lightwave wont detect other CPU's.

>Please reply to [e-mail]

There is a complete explanation in the manual.  The short answer is that you
probably don't have a complete path name (unless you are executing lwsn.exe in
the command directory).  You really need to read the manual on this one.  It
may not be enough, but once you do that, someone here will be better able to
help you out.

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From: [e-mail] (CHaubensak)
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Bill,

You stated the following:

>> Just because you happen to get a really
 great price on LW 9one of the biggest bang for bucks programs around) you
 are automatically not going to pay more than $100,00 for a plugin ? Gee
 I paid several hundred $ for lees set of tapes(and I only paid 600.00
 for 3.5 SA) , drop another 100.00 for two of Thortons tapes, throw
 in another for Dark Horse video, lets not forget my LWPro subscription,
 or in.Focus. Also the Lightrom's . Then we get to programs!
 MacroForm, Motion Master, and Fiber factory. Gee I have actually excedded
 the Cost of LW and am still buying more. Almost all the above were
purchased
 from my dealer (if available thru him) So he maybe did not make a killing
on
 LW but at least it led to other business. I think the value os=f a plugin
will
 have to be determined by what it does . LW is the foundation (and a
strong one)
 for building a great 3D suite. It is priced to attract the largest level
of
 people that are serious about 3D as possible.

We have already been running into a lot of price sensitivity. Of one group
of LightWave leads that was from a magazine ad we ran, most of the people
commented that they would not spend more than $200 for any plug-in for
LightWave.

We were among the top selling IPAS routines for 3D Studio at $500 each,
and NEVER encountered complaints about price. With the new version, we've
lowered the retail by $100 and almost doubled the features.

Granted, there are LW customers who are buying and not complaining about
price, but it has already become an issue. All other real-time 3D paint
programs on the market begin in the $5,000 range, and are only available
for the SGI.

By the way, I am not simply trying to raise the bar on plug-in prices. If
someone thinks they can survive selling LW plug-ins for $100, more power
to them.

Brent

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[e-mail] (Branko Collin) wrote:

>In article <4f9kah$[e-mail]>
>[e-mail] (Dave Thomas) writes:
>
>>While I'm not sure whether or not the dongle is an impediment to LW
>>sales, or that it helped 3ds sales, I do think that one reason why 3DS
>>sold so well in the past is that for a long time it had no real
>>competition. Yes, I know that Topas and some other programs were
>>available on the PC before 3DS, but if you ever used those programs
>>(especially Topas), you'd see why 3DS came out on top. For many people
>>I've interacted with, they wanted 3D software for their PC, and 3DS
>>was the only viable choice.
>
>I think this is the best proof of the existance of a prosumer market.
>Real professionals wouldn't care if the software they need does not exist
>on the platform they own. They would just buy the required platform.
>So for the professionals, 3DS always has had tens of competitors, simply
>because they look across platform bariers.
>But a prosumer is much more attached to the actual box, which they have
>set up and which they know how to use. They're not going to buy another
>box (with all the hassle that brings) just to be able to do 3D.
(snip)

I don't know about this. I worked at one time for a computer dealer
that sold Topas and related products, and at that point there really
wasn't any competition on personal machines. I don't think there was
any 3D software on the Mac, and you had "great" Amiga stuff like
TurboSilver and Sculpt 3D. At that point, something like Topas was the
only decent solution short of buying an SGI system.

But, IMHO, Topas wasn't all that great. And 3DS, like it or not, was
the first real competition on the PC. And it was cheaper. I don't know
what Topas sold for when 3DS was released, but I remember at one time
it sold for over $10k

While there are a lot of people who might like to play with 3D
programs (hey, that's how I started), I don't know if LW is the
program for them. A cut down version of LW, or an older version
release (like version 4 after version 5 ships for awhile) released at
a lower price might be a good idea.




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I think that the $2 million figure refers to the budget for each
episode, not just the effects budget. If that were so, I'd be happy to
do the effects for a mere $1 million/episode...




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In article <4fbt77$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Jason M. Cahill) wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I am considering buying a copy of Lightwave 4.0 for my Pentium 166, but
>I was wondering if it supported NURBS.  Also, what how well does it
>respond as a Windows program.  I used to have an Amiga, and its modelling
>and rendering programs were always the best, but how does the interface
>translate to a PC?
>
>Thanks a lot,
>
>Jason M. Cahill
>

The interface is exactly the same and responds just fine. Still not as
smoothly as the Amiga versions but usable. As for NURBS I wouldn't expect to
see them for awhile if ever.Many companies try to add them but they just don't
stack up to NURBS you get in Alias.Even a B-Spline modeler would be nice.
Stuart Fergueson mentioned B-Splines coming soon but no NURBS, apparently he
didn't see a difference, I guess he's never used Alias because there is a big
difference.

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Subject: Re: TELL ME THE BEST SOFTWARE? LIGHTWAVE,SOFTIMAGE,REAL3D
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Andrew Hofman <[e-mail]> wrote:
: MuMan wrote:
: >
: > Softimage is best package but $7500.
: > Lightwave is the best bang for the buck, $800, and easy to use.
: > Real3D is almost impossible to use for animation.

: How dare you say that! Lightwave is the best! I'm gonna flame you! Arrrrrrgh!

: Just kidding. Actually, I understand an OpenGL card is *not* an option if
: you're going to run Softimage on a WindowsNT platform. So that's an
: additional expense right at the front door. Is this incorrect?

It's well worth it when you see the speed.

: --
: Andrew Hofman
: LumaQuest Productions
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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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[snip]
>That's right, professional,.....THIS IS NO TOY.listen to me, I know I'm
>yellnig but listen close....THERE IS NO LESS EXPENSIVE PROFESSIONAL 3D
>SOFTWARE....the rest are toys, just like your yo-yo there, son....

>Now.....who's buying?"

>There you go....


>_____________________________________________
>Lee Stranahan
>Home Page renovations are well under way!
>URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm

Hey.  I'm a yoist and a few of my yo-yos aren't mere toys.  My Silver Bullet
II is a finely crafted instrument.  Tom Kuhn of San Francisco makes this
wonderful device. :^)


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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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Subject: Re: ** PVR / Lightwave Setup **
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In article <[e-mail]> Glenn Chung <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: Glenn Chung <[e-mail]>
[snip]
>between the PVR and its dedicated SCSI-2 drive. You should get
>excellent results with your Micropolis drive - on the order of
>5MB/sec, enough for Betacam SP quality.

>Glenn
>Visuality LLC

>P.S. The capture card doesn't sit in a PCI slot, but it could easily
>make one inacessible to other cards.

I just installed a Micropolis 4221-AV today (2 gig) and the PVR test gave it a
7mb/sec for the majority of the surface and over 6mb/sec for almost all of the
remainder.

Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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In article <4f51tk$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael D. Bartman) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Michael D. Bartman)
>Subject: Lightwave on Win 3.1?
>Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 13:57:30 GMT

>Will Lightwave run on an AMD 486-DX4/120 machine with 24 megs of RAM
>and Windows 3.1?  If not, how about the same machine with NT?  Or
><shudder!> WIn 95?

>               -- Mike "can't afford an Alpha right now..." Bartman --

It should run pretty well on that configuration.  I'd dump 3.1 in favor of
95 or NT.  95 should work with 24mb better than NT will.  I have our studio on
a Win95 network and find all machines stable and have had very few
compatibility issues.




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[e-mail] (vinnie) wrote:

>Who has the wavefilter plugin?

>I have sparks for Intel!

>Are you interrested?

>Send me a E-mail

I want Sparks for the intel, I have'nt got wavefilter but I do have
fibre factory, can we do some sort of deal pleaseeeeeeeeeee.
I really do want sparks, cant get it nowhere in the UK yet...
Don....



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From: [e-mail] (Paul Goor)
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FS: LW-DEC ALPHA and ALPHA

New "unused" Lightwave 4.0 Official release.

     I spoke with NewTech customer support and was told they will
     transfer the registration.

Asking best reasonable price.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Digital AXPpci 33 Alpha AXP PC Motherboard, OEM Design (EBP-20-AA).

     With 256k S-RAM, 2S, 1P and OEM Design Guide.

     DECchip 21066-AA RISC Microprocessor at 166MHz (6ns).


Asking best reasonable price

Works great, I just need the money.


Paul Goor
[e-mail]
612.463.2236


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From: Glenn Saunders <[e-mail]>
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The mortal  wrote:
>   In some ways I actualy think the spaceships on Babylon 5 are better
>designed, at least a bit more realistic, with multi axis rockets like on
>the fighter, or the Leonov like battlecruiser with rotating sections for
>gravity, or those lovely

Yes, B5 ships reflect the show aiming for more of a science fiction
rather than science fantasy feel.

>   On S:AAB, the models have all kinds of little details that add a sense
>of realism like scuff marks and micrometerite pitting, and little dents
>and rivets, hullplates, and nose art and little symbols and graphics
>painted on the ships.

The show is emulating Wing Commander/Star Wars, in which spaceships look
more analogous to current battleships, carriers, and jets.  Along those
lines, the models seem to want to emulate the dull finish of
motion-control models rather than the shiny metallic finish of most B5
models.  I remember when B5 came out and there were the cries that CGI
looked "too shiny" compared to stuff like Star Wars.  It's only a matter
of artistic approach.  Surely S:AAB and Voyager show that you can emulate
motion control models extremely effectively.


The Hammerheads do have to operate in the atmosphere so it is
understandable that they at least partly resemble jets.  Of course, they
don't look like they are made of the stuff that could survive reentry
heat (gotta love the cheap hand-paintjob and dimestore screws holding the
plates down).


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The mortal Equinox II wrote:
: We'll just have to convince someone to write a sharware plug-in for
: conversion.

There is always PNG, which has a lossless 24-bit mode which would also be
useful.  I'm sure the compression on 24-bit PNG files would be superior to
the mild compression on other 24-bit formats like IFF.  Sometimes IFF24s
are so large it seems like the algorithm isn't compressing more than 10%
out of em.  Pathetic.



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The mortal Michael Justin Austin wrote:
: How I solved this problem was to render my windows with a high transparency
: setting
: and stuck my lights in the building (one in each)  but you my want to try 2
: or 3
: in a really large shell.  also to get that lights out look you can lower
: their intensity
: and adjust the transparency accordingly

Wouldn't it be better to use the glow feature so you get a nice haze
around the edges of the windows?



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Is there any problem if i install a SCSI-II in my cpu currently carrying
a PVR card?

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Whitney)
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On 02-09-96, STUART was going on about Re: PS font viewer

SF>From: [e-mail] (Stuart Ferguson)
  >+-- [e-mail] (Mark Whitney) writes:
  >| Since the present Rev of LW 4.0 doesn't like to import TrueType
  >| fonts correctly, that pretty much leaves just the PostScript fonts.
  >| Can

  >Rev C of Modeler should work correctly with TT fonts.  As for
  >PostScript fonts, you can buy a $20 CD-ROM with 2000 fonts and a
  >booklet with samples of each one.
  >--



Ummm, well, no, Rev. C still doesn't import True Type fonts correctly.
It opens them and creates the proper shape, but still fills in openings.

As for getting a CD w/ more fonts, I'm trying to get a quick print out
of the PS fonts already installed for a paper reference.

M.

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On 02-08-96, [e-mail] was going on about Nazi flag

A>From: Adam Chrystie <[e-mail]>
  >BJ wrote:
  >>
  >> > God help you if you might want to modle some german vehicle with
  >> > a nazi flag getting blown up or something.... (sigh).
  >>
  >
  >  The context of the scene was totally wrong. I doubt there is any
  >reason to ev er
  >place a Nazi flag next to the flag of Israel. This is what is very
  >offensive.

<rest deleted>

This is all fine and nice and I can see your points of view, but PLEASE,
NOT HERE.  This is a group of LightWve, not political points of view.

No reply necessary.  Let's all help get this thread dropped.

M.

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Equinox II wrote:

> So it's no lightwave, um, I mean lightweight as far as
> system requirements are concerned.  Or cost.

 I think it's the most advanced animation system available for the
PC.  Animation Master, from what I've seen and heard about it (a
friend of mine who uses Soft at work and has AM at home), doesn't
even come close to the flexibility and power of Soft.  Of course,
all software decisions depend on what YOU think YOU can create with
that software, nothing more.

 It has a price tag, but I think it's definitely worth it.  Think of
it this way: you're getting software that was $50K two years ago
(and ran on $30K hardware) for just $8K now (and runs on $7K
hardware) :-)

 - Chris

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On Fri, 09 Feb 1996 22:31:47 GMT, [e-mail] (vinnie)
wrote:
http://www.teleport.com/~memex/
and follow the link

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Check out Animática's new web site at:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/goonie/

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Christian Aubert has graciously posted the HTML version of BML for Web access
from his site.  You can access the HTML version of the BML User's Guide at:

      http://www.megatoon.com/~chris/BML/

Thanks to Christian for making this available!

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Subject: Re: Database plugin
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> >>From what I've seen so far, the BML language is very much like the
> >Amiga's AREXX, but it's much more powerful...I'm eagerly looking forward
> >to writing my first BML script!
>
>       For most modeler tasks its very handy.. Now if they'd only add
> arexx/scripting to layout..

I am just about to begin.  =|^)

I have spent the last week developing a toolkit called the Common Plugin
Interface (CPI) for Layout.  It essentially duplicates Modeler's requester
system (even looks virtually identical to Modeler's requester dialogs).  With
this, people can cut-and-paste Modeler requester script code into Layout
scripts.

I'm currently integrating it into an existing Layout plugin I have to test
it under Layout instead of standalone.

I've posted a standalone program that utilizes the CPI toolkit to my
anonymous FTP site for your examination:

     ftp.netcom.com:/pub/bh/bhood/LightWave/cpi.zip

This version is not the final version that I am currently using (among other
things, the buttons in the final version are LightWave-like, not Windows-
like).  This version is a standalone Windows application, driven by a text
file that it must find in the same directory where it is executed.

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Tel: [phone] | that power corrupts, but that it is magnetic to the
FAX: [phone] | corruptible.  Such people have a tendency to become
                    | drunk on violence, a condition to which they are
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In <[e-mail]>,
Ernie Wright <[e-mail]> writes:

> David L. Campbell wrote:
>
> > What was the Miata's angle?  I don't think it had much to do with
> > need.  That's because demand isn't always conceived from need.
>
> It is *always* conceived from the *perception* of need.

The Miata filled a niche which was left empty by the disappearance of
moderately-priced British sports cars. There was a *need* created by the
lack of an object to fill it--the market was always there.

Note, that the Miata was, for a brief time, the *only* solution to the
situation. Obviously, the lesson to be learned here does not apply to the
current 3-D discussion.

                                         --DwightG

>
> > I've toyed at various times with buying airbrush equipment. [...]
> > Perhaps one day something will happen in the industory and it'll
> > turn into need and I'll drop some dough on it.
>
> Like I said.  People think they need cars.  People don't think they
> need 3D.
>
> - Ernie
>


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Don't forget, a bunch of scenes were created in house at NewTek by people
like Jason Linhart or Bob Anderson....



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I don't know much about Parsons, and I know nothing personally. I've never
met or talked to him. Therefore, you'll never hear me crtiticize him in
the same way I was able to criticize other people - I just don't know him.
And, I wish him luck and I really hope he'll make some changes that help
LightWave out.

That being said, this is the inside skinny from the people who work at
NewTek who have worked with him - the consensus is that he's a nice guy,
but he's a normal business type and he doesn't have much of a clue. (This
is a direct quote.) However, he's been at NewTek a while now, and may have
learned a lot. So, time will tell.

Play has a lot more engineers/programmers/whatever. First off, there were
the people who worked at PIT and Digital, the companies Play merged with.
Then, Play has nearly everyone who worked on the Toaster, including people
like Brad Carvey who weren't 'employees'. Next, NewTek has lost three Traz
people to another company. Has NewTek hired people? Yes, like a guy who
they fired years ago for not being that great an engineer. But here are
some good people, too, and of course NewTek broight Fori in, a REAL good
move. Size wise, it's not close right now. Quality wise, I'm no engineer
so I have no way to judge except for output and I've stated before that I
am very impressed by Trinity.


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I agree with this idea, AND since my borther Ken and I are releasing a
CD-ROM, if anyone wants to talk aboyut including material on OUR CD-ROM,
please e-mail me and we'll talk about it...

Shouldn't JIM be up here doing this?


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I think that the $2 million figure refers to the budget for each
episode, not just the effects budget. If that were so, I'd be happy to
do the effects for a mere $1 million/episode
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You're still WAY WAY WAY too high - I know the figures....


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Sorry for my ignorance, but what *exactly* is the difference between `NURBS'
(non-uniform rational b-spline) and just `b-spline' ???
How will the modeller in Alias using NURBS differ from any "regular"
spline modeller ?

thanx


 Richard Garrison
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wrote: : In article <4fbt77$[e-mail]>,
:    [e-mail] (Jason M. Cahill) wrote:
: >Hi All,
: >
: >I am considering buying a copy of Lightwave 4.0 for my Pentium 166, but
: >I was wondering if it supported NURBS.  Also, what how well does it
: >respond as a Windows program.  I used to have an Amiga, and its modelling
: >and rendering programs were always the best, but how does the interface
: >translate to a PC?
: >
: >Thanks a lot,
: >
: >Jason M. Cahill
: >

: The interface is exactly the same and responds just fine. Still not as
: smoothly as the Amiga versions but usable. As for NURBS I wouldn't expect to
: see them for awhile if ever.Many companies try to add them but they just don't
: stack up to NURBS you get in Alias.Even a B-Spline modeler would be nice.
: Stuart Fergueson mentioned B-Splines coming soon but no NURBS, apparently he
: didn't see a difference, I guess he's never used Alias because there is a big
: difference.

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In article <4fbtb0$[e-mail]>,
Stranahan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Lee Stranahan Announces Instructional Video/CD-ROM
>Access Denied : The Art Of Visual Effects Film Making
>
>THE VIDEO TAPE
>The tape has two sections. First, there's a complete version of Lee
>Stranahan's short film Access Denied, a story of treachery, deceit, and
>revenge among visual effects artists. (Think of it as a cross between The
>Player and F/X. )

This wouldnt have anything to do with how you and your brother were driven
out of Area 51, the special efffects house you cofounded, would it?















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I am looking for a Plugin for Lightwave 4.0 PC (for modeler) to make a path (curve) from a motion
of a scene !

Hope you can help ! Thanx !

PG.
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This wouldnt have anything to do with how you and your brother were driven
out of Area 51, the special efffects house you cofounded, would it?
---------------------------------------------------------------

a) I was not a co-founder of Area 51 - that was Ken and Tim McHugh

b) Neither Ken or I were driven out.  I quit, under no pressure from
anyone, because I wanted to do other things like make movies and do
training....you know, kinda like I'm doing now. Ken ended his relationship
with Tim, although his circumstances are a lot more complex. The basic
fact there, however, was that is was his choice to end the relationship,
not Tim's.

c) This film is a work of fiction, and any similiarty to real people or
events is strictly coincidental. Watch it when it comes out and see...




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Are there ever going to be motion capture devices (ie, Flock of Birds,
etc) available for LightWave.  That would be a plus for the high-end
market.
*Note: I am not in the hight-end market, but it would still be a plus.

Also, will the SGI LightWave run on an Onyx, or just Indigo's and Indy's?

Thanx

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How sad
Oh well, good luck Jim!

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I am getting a stack overflow error when I try to import or export in
modeler.  Anyone else notice this?  I tried punching up the stack size,
but it doesn't help.


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[e-mail] (Stranahan) wrote:

>I think that the $2 million figure refers to the budget for each
>episode, not just the effects budget. If that were so, I'd be happy to
>do the effects for a mere $1 million/episode
>------------------------------------------


>You're still WAY WAY WAY too high - I know the figures....


>_____________________________________________
>Lee Stranahan
>Home Page renovations are well under way!
>URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm


While I'm sure you do know, that $2 million/episode figure has been
quoted in a lot of different articles and press pieces I've seen. Of
course, it's not like the press to make any errors or anything....

Is it possible to give the budget per episode figure? I'm curious
because it's been stated that the cost of the program may be too high
for the ratings it's getting.

LW content for this message: is it just me, or has the animation work
gotten a lot better in the last couple of weeks. Not that it was ever
awful or anything, but I thought the stuff in the last episode was
particularly good.



DT - Moving Pixels
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Anyone have a semi-accurate guesstimate of how many copies of LightWave
have
been sold?  How about on a per-platform basis??

----------------------------------------------

I know, but I'd rather not say. There have been tens of thosands of USERS,
not owners, I think - based on Toaster sales (which were tens of
thousands) and the assumption that there are students, co workers, etc who
used the same single copy of the program. I also include 'casual' (a
couple of times) use. I think most stand alone users had used the program
before.


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The models look good because Ken, Karl, and Scott spent a long long time
working on them. Weeks and weeks and weeks...

What the hell? There's no NDA...here are the numbers on the FX budget that
I've heard, and this includes bay time, mattes, salaries and everything,
everything, everything - a bit over $1mil for the 2 hour pilot, and then
about $200k per episode.

The pilot took six months or so of work, and A51 had 8 or so salaries plus
rent, etc., but there was another company that worked on it, too - and
that came out of the same budget. Again, plus mattes, plus bay time, plus
color correction for the Mars seuqence plus plus plus


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In article <[e-mail]> Prem Subrahmanyam <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: Prem Subrahmanyam <[e-mail]>
>Subject: A PVR Question
>Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 10:20:35 -0500

>Well, I just opened up my ol' Gateway 2000 P-90 to discover that
>the CPU sits opposite the PCI slots (one slot _might_ just be far
>enough over not to have a PVR wedged up against the CPU).

>Two questions:

>1. which way does the daughtercard fit...i.e. if I am standing at
>the front of the computer looking toward the rear, will the
>daughtercard go to the right or to the left of the PVR card.

To the left.  Or better still, the daughtercard attaches to the side with all
the electronics - not the side with the flat piece of aluminum.  It mates up
with some of the pin arrays.

>2. Barring getting the PVR to fit right in my machine, is there
>a way to get some kind of expand-o-matic type thing that would
>allow me to piggyback some full length PCI cards in an external
>case?

If there is, my bet is that it would cost more than a new motherboard.  I
think PCI slots are more sophisticated that the old ISA slots.  So simply
making an extension of the bus isn't so easy as it used to be.  OTOH, I'm no
engineer and could easily be wrong.

Hey buying a new motherboard isn't so bad.  If you do, make sure you get one
that will let you upgrade the CPU to a P-166 or better.

>I know the most likely answer is: get a new motherboard/machine,>and
the need for the PVR will probably be a nice excuse to do>just that.

>-- Prem
>---------------------------------------------------------
>Prem Subrahmanyam


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Richard Garrison wrote:

> In laymans terms with B-Splines you edit the shape of the curve by
> moving points directly on the spline. With NURBS you actually have
> handles/weights outside of the curve which allow for much more
> flexibility and control over manipulation of the spline.

Whether or not there are handles is a user interface design choice,
but the weights thing does come directly from the underlying math.
The w in the (x, y, z, w) position of each NURBS control point can be
used as a weight that determines how much influence a control point
has over the local shape of the curve.

- Ernie


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From: [e-mail] (Dave Paige)
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Subject: Re: Add a SCSI-II all-purpose card in a system with PVR installed
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dar <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Is there any problem if i install a SCSI-II in my cpu currently carrying
>a PVR card?

nope.
Dave Paige
Alfheim Imaging
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From: [e-mail](Brenden Mecleary )
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Subject: Re: SAAB in Cinescape
Date: 11 Feb 1996 04:14:33 GMT
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>TV Guide is wrong, or more likely you misquoted - the FX budget is
>nowhere NEAR $2mil per. Way way way way off....

    No, I didn't misquote...but thank you...I sincerely hoped that SAAB
wasn't getting $2 million per episode.  That's WAY too much...

                                                  Brenden Mecleary
                                                  [e-mail]

P.S. - Eagerly awaiting that training CD-ROM!!!

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From: Adam Chrystie <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Nazi Flag BS
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Elfwork wrote:


> OK, I decided to take the thirty seconds required to open my reference
> manual, and find out that the Flag scene is credited to:
>
> Joe Doz & Scott Wheeler

  Jeez..that REALLY sux..I enjoyed reading Joe's articles in LwPro and Area 51 was one
of the companies I was gonna send my demo reel to...

  I saw these guys at a silicon valley Lw users meeting..I even talked to them
afterwards about the plastic models that they had made of their ships...hahaha!! Welp,
'IF' they are truely racist...i think it is kinda funny in a twisted way...because
they were talking to me like i was just one of the guys..although in reality i'm the
kind of person a nazi would love to kill.

  I dunno what those guys were thinking when they made that scene...even if they did
copy it from a historical book..the historic/suggested meanings contained within the
juxtapositioning of the images was pretty obvious...


   Yeah, A reply from them would be pretty darned interesting...I bet we don;t get
one..



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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark Thompson) writes:
> Dan Ablan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >> >      I wrote an article for the first issue and I never recieved any
> >> > kind of payment (or even a copy for that matter).
>
> >     I can go one further... I did an article, without pay,
> >     AND I did the cover..
> >     Live and learn...
>
> I can do ya one better than that. I did  two articles *AND* paid for
> 6 months of advertising! Grrrrrrrr!
>
>   *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*
>   *           Mark Thompson           http://www.mv.com/ipusers/fusion  *
>   *         Fusion Films, Inc.              [e-mail]          *
>   * Director of Animation and Special FX      [phone]            *
>    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>



Has anyone had any kind of response from these bastards?  I know my $40 is
gone, I just was wondering if anyone has heard anything besides silence from
them.??

Thomas


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From: "Thomas M. Schaefer" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Render-net over Internet?
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I haven't mentioned this for six months, so I'll try again....

What if we all left our computers on all the time, and someone developed
the software to act as a "render-broker" over the internet?  Each of us
would post a $/hour price for our CPUs to the broker.  The broker would
then take orders for rendering from animators in a hurry.  The broker
would then find the cheapest set of CPUs that would get the job done in
the requested time frame (essentially creating a classic efficient
market for rendering).  The broker would then distribute scene files,
objects, and frame numbers to potentially hundreds of internet connected
CPUs and collect the rendered frames.  Of course some sort of data and
processing encryption would be required to protect the customers scenes,
objects, and frames, but that should be doable.  If enough CPUs were
available with sufficient connections, pieces of hundreds of frames
could go out to thousands of CPUs, and an otherwise tedious animation
could be completed in minutes rather than weeks.  A full length movie
could be completed in hours rather than months.

I have  studied the economics of this idea a little and believe it is
feasible for high-render-time scenes with computers hooked up to the
internet with ISDN or better connections. (The broker would need T-3).

It seems to me a clever programmer could make some money doing this, and
save me the need of an expensive computer of the inconvenience and cost
of traditional render services.  I'd also like to make $10/hour running
my computer overnight when its doing nothing otherwise.

I'll raise this idea every six months or so until someone makes it
happen.  After all, the network IS the computer, right?

Tom Schaefer
Strategic Video
http://www.stratvid.com