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Article 23027 of comp.sys.amiga:
Path: estinc!mcdphx!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!decwrl!lll-winken!sun-barr!newstop!sun!amdahl!pccuts!acs
From: acs@pccuts.pcc.amdahl.com (Tony Sumrall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: problems with VT100 v2.9 and v2.9a
Message-ID: <882@pccuts.pcc.amdahl.com>
Date: 28 Feb 90 01:05:42 GMT
References: <SDL.90Feb27102603@lyra.lyra.mitre.org>
Reply-To: acs@pccuts.pcc.amdahl.com (Tony Sumrall)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
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In article <SDL.90Feb27102603@lyra.lyra.mitre.org> sdl@lyra.mitre.org (Steven D. Litvinchouk) writes:
>
>I've been having trouble using the PD vt100 program (both versions 2.9
>and 2.9a). When I get vt100 to come up on a custom non-interlaced
>screen, it seems unable to write anything into the 24th line of the
>emulation (which, counting the menu bar line, is actually the 25th or
>last line on the screen). Instead, information intended for the 24th
>line is actually written on the 23rd line of the emulation.
>
>So essentially I only have a 23 line terminal emulation. In fact, if
>I use vt100 to log into a unix system for which I have a special
>termcap defining a 23 line terminal, then vt100 works ok.
>
>I never had this problem with earlier versions of vt100 (e.g., v2.8).
>What am I doing wrong? How can I get vt100 v2.9 and/or v2.9a to give
>me a full 24 line terminal emulation on a custom screen?
>
>Steven Litvintchouk
>ARPA: sdl@mbunix.mitre.org
>UUCP: ...{att,decvax,genrad,ll-xn,philabs,utzoo}!linus!sdl
I've already responded to Steven by e-mail but I figured I'd also post
a little note here to let everyone know what's going on.
There is a field in GfxBase called NormalDisplayRows. This field contains
the size (in pixels) of the Workbench screen (this is the field that ends
up being modified by MoreRows). Prior to 2.9, VT100 pretty much ignored
this field if you specified a LINES parameter. In 2.9, LINES is
constrained to not exceed this value. If you do the arithmetic, you'll see
that a 24-line CUSTOM screen will require about 206 pixels (10 for
titlebar, 192 for the text window and 4 to allow you to pull the window
down to expose the depth gadgets). Now, 2.9 will overwrite the titlebar if
necessary but only about 2 scan-lines which means that the window needs to
be 204 pixels high. Since this exceeds NormalDisplaRows, VT100 silently
adjusts the size of the window down so that it fits within the 200 scan
line limit (and accomodates only 23 text lines).
I feel very strongly about honoring NormalDisplayRows (users can use
MoreRows if their monitor can display more than the normal number of
pixels) but I also feel very strongly that a VT100 emulator should provide
at least 24 lines in all situations. If you use the Workbench screen
instead of a custom one you CAN get 24 lines (VT100 doesn't need the 4
pixels to drag down the window and it will obligingly overwrite 2 scan
lines of the titlebar). If you use MoreRows you can define the maximum
screen size to be whatever is right for your monitor.
Now for the question: how would *you* handle the situation, keeping in mind
that there *are* users out there that use a TV set which can barely
accomodate 200 scan lines (I was just such a user until not too long ago).
There needs to be some mechanism which permits the user to tell VT100 what
the maximum screen size should be; 2.9 uses NormalDisplayRows. I could
simply take the LINES parameter as gospel but I took quite a lot of flack
in 2.8 because users finger-checked (typed 34 instead of 24), users
couldn't accurately determine how many lines would fit and so on.
I've considered adding an OVERSCAN command which explicitly tells VT100
that it's OK to use more than NormalDisplayRows, adding an optional
parameter to the LINES command as well as reverting to the way that 2.8 did
it. As a final alternative, I've considered trying to open a window on the
custom screen which has no titlebar (but I don't much like the looks of it
and it complicates other things).
Please consider the question and let me know (via e-mail) your considered
opinion on this matter. I've asked several other folks and, if I can get
consensus, will release 2.9B in a matter of days.
--
Tony Sumrall responsible for VT100 2.9A (and 2.9 and 2.8a and 2.8 and...)
acs@pccuts.pcc.amdahl.com <=> amdahl!pccuts!acs
[ Opinions expressed herein are the author's and should not be construed
to reflect the views of Amdahl Corp. ]