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Area # 1  alt.cyberpunk             05-10-94 17:23      Message # 24
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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Arthu Bendler)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.religion.kibology,alt.postmodern
Subject: Re: C Gross, get off your high horse
Date: 10 May 1994 17:23:08 -0400
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Organisation for Autonomous Self-Expression <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>Is there no heart in America anymore?  What do the anticipations of "summer"
>bring for you in your own mind? Ah, now you see you have fallen into your
>own trap.  Your thinking is linear, while the world bounces along as a huge
>fractal nonlinearity, attracting you right off its precipice...
>
    Uhh do you understand fractal non-linearity?  Or is that
another of your psycho-babble phrases?  I guess your a follower of the
chaos sounds cool trend.  OK  I'll  buy it.  It's close enough, it's
even beable(alt.religion.kibology crosspost immenent).


>I take it you do not understand the true meaning of Transmission...
>
I take it you do not intendto tell us in any meaningfull way? I take
it you like to bask in your own unearned sense of superiority?  I take
it you do not undestand that words have no True Meaning.  ou even say
it yourself later on.  Also since you say that their aremultple
meanings of words, and the dictionary definition looses importance
once the social connotations change the word, perhaps you will
understand that the fault is not in him for not understanding your
intended non-true meaning of Transmission, but that the fault lies in
yourself and your lack of ability to fully realize the social
connotations and meanings of the words contained within as they are
defined within this group.  In other words, you bit your own fuckin
tale off.

>And what about your implicit bigoted approach, that _your_ universe is the
>only one.  Supposing the event happened in summer say, in another universe!
>With this I own an infinity of universe, yet you are left with only this
>one, which is looking ever so much like a rotting apple.
>

Other universes exist, my imagination for instance, BUT remember,
I can still hit you between the eyes with my rotten apple core.  You
cannot hit me with one of your infinite universes.  If they are
alternate, then they won't affect me, sicne I am alternate to them.
Simplified and not intended as a real discussion of this topic, which
is one of my favorites, maybe some other time.  ALSO, It WOULDNT be
the same event if the reference implied by the poem was to JFKs
assasination.  It would be a different event alltogether.  Please
remember to use your owrds subjectively if your going to redefine them
yourself.   You can't play subjective-man and change your words to
defend yourself, unless you realize the implications of taking words
at their percieved and not dictionary-defined meanings.  IN other
words.......


>If your conception of "neosyndicalism" is different from its etymological
>root causes, I am truly sorry for you: My Wayward Friend.  Remember, we must
>learn to transcend the age.  Just because the dictionary says something does
>not mean that it is right

than WHY do you refer to etymological roots?

 -- just that it is only part of a conspiracy
>larger than what you can conceive right now -- larger than what thhe human
>race is ready for I may add. Those words, they were not made for you or me.
>They were made to justify the Absolute: as some sort of psychocultural device
>to subject the masses into _one_ way of thinking, _one_ way of being.  We
>must deconstruct, my friend.  You know nothing of Derrida, I suppose.

Absolutes do not exist, remember that.  I think we agree there.  Name
dropping of deconstructionists does not imply that your conspiracy
theory holds water.  I suppose you know nothing of Bruce Bendler...


We
>must take apart the meanings of words, not flash some mere _construction_ in
>people's faces as if we were pretending to make a philosophical argument. We
>must use words to transcend words, so we can become ourselves transcendent.
>We may pay a price in shocking some people, but such is our undying quest
>for life so that we not become sheep.  So that we may not sleepwalk through
>life, my friend!

    Your on the right track here, meta-linguistics is really fun
and a passion of mine, ubt I saw none of it in your Transmission.
Perhaps this is because A:  It was boring and dry and I did not read
it, hence you failed to achieve the first goal of langauge,
communicate.  BUt I suppose that is understandable in a three-second
time span world.  But adapt to that.  That's why I seldom post over a
page or so oong at the most. People, not even interested people will
seldom read more than that with anything more than a cursory scan.
    You sound like I imagine Kathy Acker would after a few too
many harvy-wallbangers.  HP Lovecraft had a thing for transcendence ya
know, and he ended up a pale little man, tho my favorite pale little
man a far as pale little men go. His mind was huge, but he fell into
the wrong end of a christian dichotomy.   MyBody, my physicality is
not seperate from my mind or "spirit"  SO I got to make sure I don't
create that seperation falsly.

>
>But now you have to ask: what _is_ superiority? How is superiority possible?
>How can you grasp its "essence", let alone its "sense"? See, here I am
>making the same kind of arguments you were just a minute ago.  Instead of
>Instead of
>grappling over the meanings of words, we must deal in _meta_ words.  We must
>work with not what is merely classifiable, but with what is beable.
                                 ^^^^^^^
                    federal law requires that this
                     is crosposted to a.r.k

Superiority?  Who has the bigger genitalia, or larger mammaries if
it's between females.

I think you wouldnt know a meta-word, or a meta-discussion if it was
on the end of the meta-penis in your meta-arse.



>
>
>THIS HAS BEEN AN EMERGENCY TRANSMISSION OF THE O.A.S.E
>OASE = ORGANISATION FOR AUTONOMOUS SELF-EXPRESSION
>LIVE LONG AND PROSPER!
>THE ONLY SOLUTION: A SWEEPING LOVOUTION
>PREPARE FOR THE COMING INFORMATION LOVOUTION!

^^^^^I would LOVE to see KIBO and Co. offical net-responce to this
little ditty.  DO I get a number? How about any alpha-numeric combo?
I'll take anythig that is ASCIi printable even.


--
    You're eqipped with a hundred billion nueron brain, that's
    wired and fired, and it's a reality generating device, but
    you've got too do it.  Free youself  ----Tim Leary----


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Area # 1  alt.cyberpunk             05-11-94 10:47      Message # 41
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Subj    : Re: C Gross, get off you

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From: [e-mail] (Christopher Gross)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: C Gross, get off your high horse
Date: 11 May 1994 10:47:25 -0400
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All right! I _knew_ the OASE would keep us all amused! :-)

>Is there no heart in America anymore?  What do the anticipations of "summer"
>bring for you in your own mind? Ah, now you see you have fallen into your
>own trap.  Your thinking is linear, while the world bounces along as a huge
>fractal nonlinearity, attracting you right off its precipice...

Yes, the world is fractal, fine. So you think you can make winter into
summer whenever you feel like? I suppose the "summer" of your
little ditty was supposed to call up images of youthful hope and vigor,
cut short by JFK's assassination. We have a technical term for this: it's
called "bad poetry." If you were writing a bright, cheerful poem about
Antarctica, would you fill it with flowers and honeybees and bunny rabbits?

(Of course, I guess what you really meant was that there is no such thing
as summer or winter, they're just hegemonic constructs to keep us slaves.
But if we refuse to privilege (yes, decon-artists have made privilege a
verb) the dictionary's definitions of "summer" and "winter," then we can
also refuse to privilege your analysis of your own poem. My reading is
as good as yours. So why are you defending your poem?)

>And what about your implicit bigoted approach, that _your_ universe is the
>only one.  Supposing the event happened in summer say, in another universe!

Was your poem written in such a universe? If not, your argument does not
prove much. _Anything_ could have happened in another universe, so for
every universe you pull out of your ass, I can whip up another one that
refutes it. (BTW, in another universe you owe me $250. I want it. Now.)

>With this I own an infinity of universe, yet you are left with only this
>one, which is looking ever so much like a rotting apple.

You own an infinity of universes...I guess your property taxes are
infinite, too? Of course, if your "other universes" stuff just means you
are escaping into fantasy, I have no problem with that. Just be candid
about what you're doing, please.

>If your conception of "neosyndicalism" is different from its etymological
>root causes, I am truly sorry for you: My Wayward Friend.

Note the confusion between "roots" and "root causes."

>...They were made to justify the Absolute: as some sort of psychocultural
>device to subject the masses into _one_ way of thinking, _one_ way
>of being.  We must deconstruct, my friend.

Don't you realize that you're elevating deconstructionist theory (or a
Reader's Digest condensed version of it) to the level of an Absolute?
Christ, in one sentence you denounce he Absolute for forcing us all
into one way of thought, and in the next you say "We must deconstruct!" I'd
rather be skeptical of all dogmas, including yours. Let's deconstruct
deconstructionism (hardly a new idea, I'll admit)!

>... You know nothing of Derrida, I suppose....

Why do you suppose that, you smug, self-righteous twerp? Although from
what I do know of Derrida and that whole crowd, I do not have much respect
for them. ("At this point Chris managed to alienate not only the OASE but
its opponents as well.") To know Derrida is not to love him....

> ...  We
>must take apart the meanings of words, not flash some mere _construction_ in
>people's faces as if we were pretending to make a philosophical argument. We
>must use words to transcend words, so we can become ourselves transcendent.

By your arguments, words are pretty meaningless: they can mean anything,
therefore they effectively mean nothing. In which case, what's the point
of "deconstructing" them? (By the way, in my universe, "transcendent"
means "full of shit," so your last sentence there _does_ make sense.)

>We may pay a price in shocking some people, but such is our undying quest
>for life so that we not become sheep.

You _hope_ you shock people, so you can get that nifty avant-garde
feeling. "I shock, therefore I am cool."

> So that we may not sleepwalk through life, my friend!

Since we're friends, here's some advice: don't sleepwalk through life
blinkered by theory and jargon.

>>--Chris (basking in an entirely unearned sense of superiority)
>But now you have to ask: what _is_ superiority? How is superiority possible?
>How can you grasp its "essence", let alone its "sense"? See, here I am
> [etc.]

This is sad. I put in that little "unearned sense of superiority" bit to
show that I didn't take myself too seriously. You'd do well to follow that
example.


--Chris
[e-mail]

"Help! Deconstructionists killed literature and now
they're coming for history!"

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Area # 1  alt.cyberpunk             05-10-94 16:45      Message # 12
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Subj    : Re: OASE: TRUE CYBERPUNX

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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Arthu Bendler)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: OASE: TRUE CYBERPUNX
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Organisation for Autonomous Self-Expression <[e-mail]> wrote:
>file: "TRUE CYBERPUNX"
>by: "CHARLES NIEVE"

>True cyberpunks are those who recognize that consequently, information
>     should be free.
>
Not neccesarily.  Info is worth alot of money.  It's just that it
shouldnt be controlled by dominating monopolies.  Just make it all available.

>True cyberpunks are those who recognize that the only solution to the worlds
>     problems is a sweeping lovoution.
>

True cyberpunks don't LIMIT themselves to one solution motherfucker.


>True cyberpunks should turn all their Love-Energy towards all humanity
>     which is not false, and which will participate freely in sharing the
>     bounty of the coming information lovoution.
>
"Don't place faith in human beings, human beings are butterfly wings....."
What the smegging bloody hell is Love-Energy?  Do you realize that
we're immune to your psycho-babble-jive-mamma?  These are the very
things that we laff at.



>True cyberpunks should turn their Hate-Energy towards all who seek to
>     oppress humanity with their distortion and corruption of information
>     (i.e. the media and other Illuminati which have thrown our people into
>     darkness) and eradicate these institutions.
>
The media itself is a great tool for us to use.  Abuse it and contort
it to your own needs.  Don't play their gome, put them in your own
movie and make them play your rules.  The Inet is media itself, it
just has a latent resistance to monopolization and sensationalization,
tho even now that is creeping in.


>True cyberpunks recognize that the Sun is Life, and Lifes Truth is
>     Information. Thus to liberate us from darkness and death, we should
>     put our great, lost Love into action!
>
Sun is life?  I thought eat, shit, sleep fuck, drink, laff, cry =
life?  To liberate us from darkness and death we need a lightbulb, and
a team of good doctors.  But even that is futile.  We die, plain and
simple, and it's rather unavoidable.



>True cyberpunks know the right steps for the coming information lovoution.
>
information has NO connotations of love or hate.  It's nuetral, and so
is the net.  The net is a communication tool, not the soul of gaia and
her flower-piddles.  It's all in how you stroke it.

>True cyberpunks are the Organisation for Autonomous Self-Expression.
>
yeah yeah yeah who fuckin cares dimwit, who can't even operate thier
anon.penet account properly without posting the same message thirty
times.  I get the sneaking supsicion that this OASE is a front for DN
and her cronies.  Note the inability ot operate the account,
consistant with the DNs lack of technical skill, even at her own
admittance.  Note the same use of the same set of psycho-babble and
mystico-jive phrases. Hmm,  ok DN come out come out wherever you are.





--
    You're eqipped with a hundred billion nueron brain, that's
    wired and fired, and it's a reality generating device, but
    you've got too do it.  Free youself  ----Tim Leary----


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