: if you are having trouble with the text we will be more then happy to sum it up for you if you e-mail us. We just wanted to make sure that the records on communism were set straight!: But can you be counted on to sum it up in a way that is neither subjective nor imposing on our belifes?
What would you like to read in the manifesto that it is a jewish plot, that is the product of warmongering, god hating athiests, that is propaganda to bring about dictatorship so that the big bad government can take away your rights?
This is how the media and capitalist hydra has portrayed the manifesto but that is not the way it is and maybe you have trouble with believeing everything isnt exactly as your told.
: : It also appears to us that nat has not one clue about communism! And he also states many times (indirectly) that he will never change his views so I call upon all you fellow comrades to write to nat to eventually set him right and take his views off this evil capitaism! He has never even read anything on communism (as so it apperars) since his ideas on communism that are so immature and non-researched! His viwes are very corrupt and I just wish he would have an open mind so he could understand our fundementals.
: Open mind? What? It sounds to me as if you are trying to impose your views upon him. Why can't you just accept his belifes and leave it at that?
Cara why are you here? if you simply believed in accepting peoples views you wouldnt be debating at all. You dont realise how important it is to we the enlightened that people are torn from the hegemony under which they live because it'll make freedom easier the realise.
:All of this debat is very stimulating and I feel that I am expanding myself when I engage in it. But I don't appreciate it when those who hold veiws that are different from mine try to impose them upon me.
No one has been imposing anything apart from the schools etc. who impose a type of social normality securing the status quo but that's done in such a suttle way you wouldn't have noticed.
:Setting your ideas out on the table to be debated is fine, in fact it is very healthy, but don't force your ideas on someone else.
It is easy to say this from the position of the dominating ideology (if not the dominant class) it would seem that you are defending freedom with such a remark but your just defending the status quo.
: : Nat please continue looking at this web page within the next 5 days becuase we (Comrades Zeus and October) will do everything in our power to proove Nat's writings and views wrong vis. (it means "that is") Nat's writings and views that are in fact wrong... and we will support anything that is of course right! Nothing personal of course.
: Now you are trying to define what is right. I feel that my view are right. Nat feels that his view are right. You, of course, feel that your views are right. In fact, you nor I nor Nat really knows what is right. When you think you do, that is when bad things happen.
This all that I can be sure of is that I know nothing approach is deadly science is proven fact and the manifesto, if you'd read it, is laid out in a similar fashion. Capitalism didn't appear it evolved and it will therefore be replaced, revolution will only be required if those with interests in maintaining the present exploitation use violence to prevent change.
:Nothing is absolute.
Not even capitalism, individualism or liberty (in the U.S. stagnant sense)?
:We are all here to get closer to absoluteness, but we will never, ever know for sure what is really right. Just when you think that you are sure, that is the first indication that you are wrong. That is the only thing, they only thing that is absolute. You can't just tell somebody that they are wrong and then try to tell them what you feel is right.
But we know we are right sociological studies have proven it so. You think we are purely advocating theory or opinion but we are advocating science.
:The only person who can decide what Nat thinks is right is Nat.
So in other words the individual is absolute?
Cheers, Gerry
