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- UFO literature...he's kind of squeamish talking about it as well
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- because it sounds so crazy...
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- CHUCK HARDER
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- I don't think it's crazy at all, there was an article, let me
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- digress for a moment, there was an article yesterday on the front
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- page of The Wall Street Journal where the FDA that stopped all of
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- the grapes from Chile last March...apparently somebody laced two
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- of the grapes with cyanide a couple of hours before the FDA,
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- stumbled on them and it was an inside job apparently while the
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- grapes were in the inspection station...and it was not done on
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- the way, so somebody's lying there -- we're talking of two little
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- grapes that almost bankrupted the country of Chile! If two
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- little grapes...and such a story hits the front page of The Wall
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- Street Journal about the questions about the truthfulness and
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- what happened with the FDA, what about this...how would this ever
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- get out if they would cover up a story about TWO LITTLE GRAPES?!
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- GEORGE KNAPP
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- Well, I tell you we asked the question, the obvious question, if
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- this is true; how can the government keep this a secret all this
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- time? A story this big -- the government leaks like a sieve on
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- other things, how could the coverup exist?
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- CHUCK HARDER
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- Oh, I'll tell you...
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- GEORGE KNAPP
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- To which Lazar responds, this is the easiest...and he asked the
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- question to his superiors up there, it's the easiest thing in the
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- world to keep a secret because if it does come out, little bits
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- and pieces, who's going to believe it?
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- CHUCK HARDER
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- Exactly...let me, you remember the Condon Report, do you not?
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- GEORGE KNAPP
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- Yes...
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- CHUCK HARDER
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- For those who are listening, I got into this investigation
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- because I kept getting letters from our listeners who said, Chuck
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- you ought to investigate this...we've investigated many things in
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- the past such as the GM Diesel coverup, we're working on a pay
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- phone coverup, we've done things with Ralph Nader...and so on.
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- So we started buying the books and contacting UFO organizations.
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- I then found that there was a guy named Phil Klass who was always
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- there...somehow he as always there and he said that everything
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- was bunk! And of course, he works for the Aviation Week magazine
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- which is of course is the mouthpiece for the Military/Industrial
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- complex and they certainly wouldn't want this technology to be
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- out! I was also amazed when I saw the stealth bomber (tests)
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- live on CNN one Saturday and a small plane landed at the same
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- place, (runway) do you remember that...?
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- GEORGE KNAPP
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- Yes...
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- CHUCK HARDER
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- My question is: If the Stealth Bomber was so super-secret, how
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- could a man and his children land their little tiny plane on the
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- same runway at a super-secret airforce base? How could he have
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- pierced the radar and fighter jets and so forth? My feeling was,
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- probably the Stealth Bomber was obsolete and nobody was watching!
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- GEORGE KNAPP
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- Yeah, I'd have to agree with you, because the security up
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- there...the only thing that comes out of that place is what they
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- want out of it.
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- CHUCK HARDER
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- So what your talking about then, since the Condon Committee, Phil
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- Klass and all the of the spokespeople who are supposed to know
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- everything, what your saying is the ridicule factor...if Billy
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- Bob sees a flying saucer and even has a photo of it and takes it
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- to the paper, everybody laughs at him!
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- GEORGE KNAPP
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- There are actual documents the government has released (Under
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- Freedom of Information Act) that show it has an active program
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- that started back in the fifties...the CIA even used the term
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- DEBUNKING, there were discussions about using Walt Disney to
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- produce cartoons that made fun of people who had seen flying
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- saucers...they were going to bring Arthur Godfrey in as their
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- spokesperson. Phil Klass as you mentioned, he's explained away
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- UFO sightings seen by thousands of people as the constellation
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- ORION, when you can only see ORION from the other side of the
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- planet.
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- CHUCK HARDER
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- Uh huh...
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- GEORGE KNAPP
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- He uses things like Ball Lightning, plasma balls to explain the
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- sightings where plasma balls only last for a few seconds and the
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- examples that he is trying to explain occur in cloudless skies
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- where there is no lightning around. You mention the Condon
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- report, that's a perfect example of the kinds of things that the
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- government has done in the past, they commission a study, it's
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- supposed to be THE STUDY, but the guy they hire to run the thing,
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- Edward Condon had before he even started, that there was nothing
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- to UFOs, the government should get out of it, and he also said at
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- one point that the authors of UFO books should be HORSEWHIPPED!
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- One of the explanations that came from the Condon Committee
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- witnessed by several people, they described it as, a natural
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- phenomena so rare that it has never been seen before or since! I
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- don't think this kind of a thing is an accident!
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- CHUCK HARDER
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- Ok, the Soviet Union and Tass gave their report (of a UFO) and
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- from what I have heard there are different kinds of aliens, some
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- have been coming here for years and years and it's nothing new...
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- GEORGE KNAPP
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- Right...
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- CHUCK HARDER
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- Why is it in some parts of the world (now) they report other
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- types of humanoids and other types of vehicles...I happen to have
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- beautiful photos of some, and as I told you off-the-air, we're
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- going to be releasing them in our upcoming magazine if someone
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- doesn't stick a dagger through my heart...
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- GEORGE KNAPP
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- You're talking about the Billy Meier case, if you want to touch
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- on that, we also did some investigation on that...
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- CHUCK HARDER
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- Ok, go ahead.
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- GEORGE KNAPP
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- Billy Meier, I've always been intrigued by that, and wanted to
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- check them out. Its been pretty much written-off by the UFO
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- community but when we put questions to them about the case they
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- can't explain exactly why so we traveled to Phoenix and talked to
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- Lee Elders one of the lead investigators on the Billy Meier case
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- and started going over the evidence. The photos had been
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- analyzed by independent experts, the film footage and video had
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- been analyzed, the metal sample had been confirmed as something
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- we don't have -- technology of cold fusion was used to produce
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- this metal, the landing sites, the strange circular patterns in
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- the grass that are now only gaining attention in Britain and
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- other countries, all of this stuff had never been pretty much
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- discounted by the UFO community because Elders and Wendelle
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- Stevens had gone outside of the UFO community to get
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- confirmation. The UFO people were kept out of it, the Billy
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- Meier case I think exemplifies the biggest weakness in UFOLOGY
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- and that's the jealousy that permeates the field...everybody
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- wants to be the only one with the real story of UFOs, so they
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- kind of written this guy off only because he didn't cooperate
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- with them.
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- CHUCK HARDER
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- We have been able to get some photos from a source who has some
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- negatives that were just recently located...some from ten feet
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- away, I used to be in the motion picture business. If they are
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- models they cost thousands of dollars and I doubt if a simple
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- Swiss farmer could have done it...
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- GEORGE KNAPP
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- I'd agree with ya, the reason we got interested in Billy Meier,
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- it goes back to Lazar, was because Bob Lazar says, the saucer
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- that he saw fly, he dubbed it the sport model, was the same
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- saucer in the Meier photos, exactly the same.
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- CHUCK HARDER
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- The new ones or the old ones?
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- GEORGE KNAPP
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- The new one.
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- CHUCK HARDER
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- Ok, that's the one we've got.
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- GEORGE KNAPP
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- Going back to the things he saw (Lazar) at S-4, he saw the nine
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- saucers, he said all nine of them were different, like we got the
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- variety pack, but the one he saw fly was like the one in the
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- Meier photo. (There are Three types photographed by Billy
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- Meier.)
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- That's why we decided to check out the Meier part of the (UFO)
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- story.
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- >>>>At this point Chuck Harder tells George Knapp that there is a
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- break coming up and after the break would he please tell Mr. and
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- Mrs. America what they should do to get the truth.<<<<
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- CHUCK HARDER
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- I hope that Mr. and Mrs. America make note of the name George
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- Knapp and Bob Lazar so that if anything ever happens to them, you
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- know why.
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- GEORGE KNAPP
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- Someone should tell us what's going on...TV and movies have
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- conditioned us...we won't panic...Jimmy Carter when he ran for
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- President promised that if he was elected that he vowed to open
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- all the UFO files and he didn't -- we wrote to him asking why and
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- he didn't respond. We want the government to come clean. If
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- that takes a Congressional Investigation...that's something that
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- should be looked at. If it is launched we have to make sure that
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- there are no CIA, contractors and the like involved otherwise
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- people aren't going to believe it. We've seen enough of this
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- whitewash stuff over the years. If there's nothing to the story,
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- then open up the files and prove it to us!
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- CHUCK HARDER
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- OK, have the government let the press into these areas and don't
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- first clean them out...
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