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- From: stevens@eatdust (John Stevens)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity
- Subject: Re: Observations
- Message-ID: <1992Sep10.044238.13097@advtech.uswest.com>
- Date: 10 Sep 92 04:42:38 GMT
- References: <1992Sep1.202750.18927@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> <1992Sep3.145448.26265@advtech.uswest.com> <1992Sep7.200048.10650@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
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- In article <1992Sep7.200048.10650@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> hatcher@MSUPA.PA.MSU.EDU writes:
- >In article <1992Sep3.145448.26265@advtech.uswest.com>, stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes:
- >>In article <1992Sep1.202750.18927@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:
- >Okay, I for one am tired of this silly line of reasoning. How about this
- >proposal: Men who feel they have a "right" to veto a woman's choice to
- >an abortion ONLY have sex with women who also feel this way. Maybe make,
- >no strike "make" since that implies compulsion, have both parties sign a
- >legally
- >binding contract (if such thing is possible?)
-
- It isn't.
-
- >stating that said provider
- >of any sperm that develops into a fetus (side step the "father" issue)
- >gets equal say in any decision to have an abortion; one would also need
- >a provision for deciding how to resolve a split decision.
-
- Fine. And would you support the enforcement of said contracts, even if
- the woman changed her mind after signing it?
-
- >their expectations. That the priority system should be structured this
- >way (contract for those who expect sperm "rights"...) one can argue that since
- >the sperm provider only engages in a one "shot" act (so to speak) while
- >the egg provider also continues to provide other things, that the
- >majority provider (the woman) have overriding rights of determination.
-
- Sigh. . . Yet another person who thinks that 9 months of pregnancy is
- a much greater burden than the following 18 (minimum) years.
-
- >in these references to your past, you seems to have such a lack of knowledge/
- >communication about your sex partner and their belief system. That you
- >feel badly about HER choice to have an abortion, without YOU making your
- >feeling clear before sex, reflects badly on YOUR CHOICES NOT HERS.
-
- Which just goes to show, you didn't read what I wrote.
-
- With that in mind, the rest of your judegement on what I wrote that you
- didn't read deleted, and not responded to.
-
- >If you
- >and she didn't come to agreement on how such circumstances should be
- >handled (especially in that they conformed to the generally accepted
- >norm) implies that YOU were the irresponsible one. If she didn't agree
- >to you views then YOU should not have engaged in sex with her; if only
- >to allow you to adhere to your belief system in all eventuallities (?).
-
- Oh, what the hell. I respond a little, in the forlorn hope that it
- might get read.
-
- What if, we communicate, she agrees with me on how the situation should
- be handled, then changes her mind later? How am I to blame for her
- reneging on her agreements?
-
- Does her changing her mind make HER the irresponsible one?
-
- Should she not have had sex with me if she was going to change her mind,
- or should she be required to follow through on her agreement even if
- she has a change of heart?
-
- >Hmmm, time for another *analogy*? Two people agree to consentual kissing,
- >person A has a cold/strep. Person B becomes infected and decides to
- >combat the infection with medicine. Does person A have the "right" to
- >prevent this?
-
- And yet another person who thinks that a cold/strep germ can be equated
- with a baby.
-
- >Is this a choice that must be made by the couple? Can
- >person A claim are right to the continued welfare of the infection;
- >what if A's beliefs exclude the use of an intervention such as antibiotics?
- >(Just a thought senario)
-
- And not a very good one. Try an analogy that acknowledges at least the
- potential of humanity and you might get a better one.
-
- >-robert
- > Robert W. Hatcher
-
- John
- stevens@uswest.com
-