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- From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
- Subject: Re: Must Pro-Life Be Inconsistent and Misogynistic?
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- Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 02:01:53 GMT
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- beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes ...
- >In article <3zsnlfl.ray@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
- >>beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes ...
- >>>First, nothing was said about a right to kill. "Merely" to remove the
- >>>fetus intact would suffice. Its right to support would be overridden
- >>>under certain circumstances, not its right to life. It would pursue
- >>>life as best it could, which wouldn't be very well.
- >>
- >>So then, the fetus _isn't_ a person. I know of no other case where
- >>killing a person is allowed because of an action somebody else did.
- >
- >How does this imply the fetus isn't a person? I'm not even arguing
- >whether a fetus is a person or not. I'm saying it's not inconsistent.
-
- Walk into a hospital. Remove the life support of any non-terminal patient
- and I assure you that you _will_ be charged with murder. But if you
- remove the life support of a fetus it's not murder? Double standard?
-
- >>The difference between your view and mine is that I think the mother
- >>should decide whether to continue the pregnancy, and you think you
- >>should decide.
- >
- >In any case, one might say you think you are best qualified to decide
- >who should make the decision.
-
- The point is that women have rather more at stake in pregnancy than do
- men, and your commitment to any woman's well being with regard to
- pregnancy is rather suspect for that reason alone. If she makes the
- wrong choice, she has to live or die by it. If you make the wrong
- choice, it's still her that must suffer the consequences.
-
- >If what you're attacking is a position that I haven't laid claim to,
- >namely that abortion should be illegal, then consider the following:
- >An anti-abortion law might prevent her from taking action to reduce
- >her risk of death from pregnancy, but this is not contradictory to
- >any legal principle, presuming one holds that she made her decision
- >to undertake risk when she decided to have sex.
-
- A pretty big assumption, one not supported by fact and one I don't accept.
- The mere fact that an abortion is desired seems to be a pretty good
- indication that she is _not_ consenting to pregnancy and birth. Sex
- is no more consent to pregnancy than driving is consent to dying in
- an accident.
-
- --
- Ray Fischer
- ray@netcom.com
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