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- From: sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Uncertainty Principle [T.Bollinger => LONG]
- Date: 6 Sep 92 19:12:21 GMT
- Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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- References: <1992Sep4.170847.235@prim> <1992Sep5.071519.16554@asl.dl.nec.com> <1992Sep7.001518.525@prim>
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- In article <1992Sep7.001518.525@prim>, prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave Griffiths) writes...
- >
- >Can you (hopefully without getting too technical!) explain what is meant by
- >"hidden variables"? I have seen it mentioned many times, but without a
- >precise definition of the class of theories it represents.
-
- When you perform a certain measurement on an ensemble of identically prepared
- systems and find half yield value V1 for the observable V and the other
- half yeild value V2, you say that each system was in a superposition of
- eigenstates of V with eigenvalues V1 and V2. The particular value Vi which
- you measure was not determined until the act of measurement forces the
- system into an eigenstate of V. However, this sits poorly with some people,
- who have speculated that there exist "hidden variables" which allow more
- a more complete description of the system. If you knew the value of the
- hidden variable then you could predict whether measurement would yield
- V1 or V2 for a particular system.
-
- Thus, in the "hidden variables" picture, QM is not a complete physical
- description of systems. There is some underlying model, of which QM
- is an approximation, in which every observable is completely specified,
- and there is no uncertainty as to what a given measurement will yeild.
- It's just that we don't know this theory and so do not know how to
- predict correctly. Thus, the "superposition state" which we use to
- describe QM systems represents our own ignorance of the underlying physics,
- not any fundamental uncertainty in the actual value of some observable in
- a given system.
-
- >I don't think it's enough to just accept QM the way it is. It seems to have
- >horrible flaws (the collapse of the wave function when "observed", whatever
-
- The only horrible flaw which a physical theory can have is to disagree
- with the observed facts. Whether you find the implications of QM pleasing
- or not, you will have to live with them because QM is an accurate description
- of nature. At least until someone develops a body of experimental evidence
- in contradiction to QM, we can't possibly know how to modify it anyway.
-
- -Scott
- --------------------
- Scott I. Chase "The question seems to be of such a character
- SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV that if I should come to life after my death
- and some mathematician were to tell me that it
- had been definitely settled, I think I would
- immediately drop dead again." - Vandiver
-