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- Path: sparky!uunet!nih-csl!helix.nih.gov!pruss
- From: pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss)
- Subject: Re: The Human Niche
- Message-ID: <1992Sep11.215746.21872@alw.nih.gov>
- Sender: postman@alw.nih.gov (AMDS Postmaster)
- Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
- References: <15053@mindlink.bc.ca>
- Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:57:46 GMT
- Lines: 49
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- In article <15053@mindlink.bc.ca> Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca (Nick Janow) writes:
- >tpalm@nada.kth.se (Thomas Palm) writes:
- >
- >> Why do you see an opposition between technical development and environmental
- >> protection? There is a large difference between developing a new technology
- >> and immediately starting large scale use, i.e. builing one car is development
- >> while building the 100,000,001 is consumption. I rather see it the other way:
- >> if we are going to save the environment we need lots of new technology. Going
- >> for a low consumption lifestyle may actually leave more resources for
- >> science.
- >
- >The opposition I saw was a result of messages posted before on this topic.
- >There is a frequent call for "nature, not technology". Most R&D is done with
- >the expectation of future profit. Who would pay the R&D costs for developing
- >anti-lock braking systems for cars if only 200 rather than 2,000,000 were going
- >to be made and sold?
-
- Yeah, everybody knows that nuclear=evil, chemistry=evil, genetic=evil. They
- would say "there's good R&D and bad R&D", but this effectively means "We'd
- better go backward"
- >
- >A perfect zero-population-growth society ("...Imagine no possessions...") could
- >possibly support intensive R&D with no expectation of profit, but such a world
- >really is hard to imagine.
- >
- The whole idea of human niche defined as "A human being needs this and
- this, and hell takes anything else"... Well, an attractive thought. I hate
- *excess luxuries*, too.
- But I should say that the idea is older than any green politics.
- To satisfy people's needs and proceed marginally slow afterwards?
- Yes, it has been known as communism.
-
- A bit of commie's practice:
- buses were thought to be needed, cars - not.
- TV sets were needed, VCRs not.
- Alcohol or condoms were sometimes required, sometimes not (seemengly a
- random choice of items to need).
-
- Meanwhile some men had different ideas on what they'd rather need.
-
- Hence the society had no other way but to supress their citiziens and to
- fight their foreign rivals. Being a surrogate religion, the communism eased
- the task. But the results were not quite fine: impeded progress is impeded
- progress :(
-
- Now we are offered a new surrogate religion to fit the similar purpose.
- Well, the history does make rounds...
-
- D
-