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- From: adelman@TGV.COM (Kenneth Adelman)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
- Subject: Re: PAKGEN software (Was: will lmf will alpha?)
- Message-ID: <920825150920.226001bf@TGV.COM>
- Date: 25 Aug 92 23:03:22 GMT
- Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU
- Reply-To: Adelman@TGV.COM (Kenneth Adelman)
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- > I couldn't agree more. And all of us should pressure our vendors to abandon
- > custom key/authorization code implementations for LMF.
-
- As a vendor which has shipped over 20,000 PAKs and thousands of
- pieces of media in the past three months I can tell you that LMF has
- been a godsend. MultiNet V3.1 was the first software we released
- which supported LMF, and also the first software distributed on
- CD-ROM. Prior to the release we sent out a customer questionaire
- detailing our records of each customers' configuration and inviting
- them to get any errors corrected prior to the release; this resulted
- in a minimum of problems caused by incorrect PAKs being issued. It
- also made distribution on CD-ROM possible, as well as opened a lot of
- opportunities for customers to evaluate products which they hadn't yet
- licensed but were available on the CD-ROM, and removed a prior problem
- we had with mixed configurations in a cluster (some products licensed
- for some machines).
-
- Do our customers like it? Well, we only hear the complaints;
- license management tools are primarily for the vendor's benefit and
- the customer pays the administrative cost(s) associated with entering
- the license data. The customer needs to consider, however, that the
- result is that we can provide better service; the purchase of a new
- product no longer requires the shipment of new media and
- re-installation of the product. I suspect that our customers prefer
- LMF to some other scheme of similar functionality; they already know
- how to use LMF (as is demonstrated by the relatively infrequent "What
- do I do with this PAK?" support call).
-
- After three months of experience from the vendor side of LMF
- we have absolutely no regrets about having used it and wished we'd
- used it earlier.
-
- > How about pressuring DEC to abandon the truely RIDICULOUS price for the
- > PAK generation software? or to provide a reasonably priced, publically
- > accessible, PAK generation service? or to allow some third party to set
- > up such a service?
-
- Only the list price is steep. If you're a DEC Independent
- Software Vendor (ISV) you get a substantial discount off the list
- price. I'd say that so far we've spend about $0.20/PAK for the PAKs
- we've generated. Very reasonable. I believe anyone who write software
- for DEC computers can become an ISV (call 800-DEC-ISVN).
-
- > The PAK generator prices are too bad if you can resell. DOes the contract prohi
- > |bit your
- > reselling pak generation?
-
- I don't recall if it prevents you from reselling a PAK generation
- service, but it would be with your producer code. One license for
- PAKGEN gives you one PAK which has a product token of which
- PRODUCER/ISSUER pair you're allowed to issue PAKs under. For example,
- our PAK has a product token of "TGV~TGV". I don't see how any software
- vendor would find such a service an advantage (in price) over doing
- it in house (with full control).
-
- Ken
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