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- From: cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker)
- Subject: Re: KILLfile created to prevent flamewar
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- References: <1992Aug16.155304.2078@midway.uchicago.edu> <omq5tlo@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1992Aug19.191054.24902@crd.ge.com> <1992Aug19.210743.29310@ncsu.edu>
- Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:53:33 GMT
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- dsh@zeus.csc.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
-
- >In article <1992Aug19.191054.24902@crd.ge.com>
- >cook@sunloan.crd.ge.com (Cathi Cook) writes:
-
- >> Ms. Bartley said that it would disturb her for certain abortions
- >> to be legal, even if she didn't believe that these abortions
- >> would ever occur. I, on the other hand, am disturbed by the
- >> thought of making a law that addresses a problem that has not
- >> been proven to exist. I don't believe in legislating "just in
- >> case", which is what it appeared Ms. Bartley was advocating in
- >> our last debate.
-
- >If you don't believe a problem exists, then perhaps you should
- >take a look at the following article:
-
- I read the entire thing, Holtsinger. I read it the first time you
- posted it, too, but this time I'll comment.
-
- >---------------------
- >Abortion: The Dreaded Complication, PART II
- >Originally appearing in The Philadelphia Inquirer, August 2, 1981
- >by Liz Jeffries and Rick Edmonds
- >Reprinted in The Congressional Record, April 21, 1986, S 4621
-
-
- > Something happens in a very small number of abortions, per-
- > formed relatively late in pregnancy, that no one wants to talk
- > about. It horrifies many of the medical personnel who have
- > encountered it.
-
- Odd how I didn't see any quotes where a doctor said "I was horrified
- that the baby survived!"
-
- This seems to be fairly clearly the author's opinion.
-
- > What happens is that about once a day somewhere in the U.S.,
- =====
- > something goes wrong and an abortion results in a live baby.
-
- "About"? Within what order of magnitude?
-
- > ...
-
- An ellipsis! Warning! Warning!
-
- [126 lines that had nothing to do with the rate of late-term
- abortions deleted]
-
- All those heartwrenching stories proved is that people who can't
- stand the sight of blood shouldn't be in the medical profession.
-
- > Only one large-scale study has been done of live births after
- ========================================
- > abortions--by George Stroh and Dr. Alan Hinman in upstate New
- > York from July 1970 through December 1972 (a period during which
- > abortion was legal in New York alone). It turned up 38 cases of
- > live births in a sample of 150,000 abortions.
-
- This was the only solid statistic in the entire article. If my math
- is correct, this works out to the horrifying rate of .0253 PERCENT.
- Clearly, this is where the "about once a day" contention came from.
- I could give you any number of reasons why the statistic for NY in
- 1970 can NOT be extrapolated to the entire US in 1992, but why
- bother? You'd only stick your fingers in your ears and yell "La la,
- I can't hear you, and besides you're WRONG!"
-
-
- > Evidence gathered during research for this story suggests,
- ========
- > without proving definitively, that much of the traffic in late
- ==============================
-
- Well. This WOULD explain why Holtsinger likes this story so much.
-
- > A state health inspector found in June 1979 that the unit
- > had successfully aborted a fetus that was well over a foot long
-
- The smallest baby I have ever heard surviving any significant length
- of time (I believe the girl is about six months old now) was about
- 11 inches at birth. (About the size of a Barbie doll)
-
- Frankly, this story would be better off on alt.folklore.urban. You
- know one of the mottos over there - "It COULD have happened, so it
- MUST have happened! :-)"
-
- You have shown me nothing more than further evidence of your lack
- of reading comprehension.
-
- -rocker
-