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- From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
- Subject: Re: Network Connections over ISDN
- Message-ID: <oikh4co@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com>
- Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mountain View, CA
- References: <1992Aug5.071006.3977@ericsson.se> <1992Aug14.073757.25228@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>
- Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:22:31 GMT
- Lines: 68
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- In article <1992Aug14.073757.25228@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, varney@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (Al Varney) writes:
- > ...
- > >> >..., but some of use are interested in the bits/sec number because
- > >> >we have concrete applications that need certain minimum rates.
- >
- > But what if the bit RATE is above the minimum, but there was
- > an over-all 2 second latency in transmission? Could an even
- > higher speed compensate, or are there things (such a echoing of
- > a typed character) where the bit rate is not critical, but the
- > transmission delay is very important?
-
- Agreed. Latency is important.
-
- Thank you very much for the numbers. They are very interesting.
-
- > ...
- > Telebit T2500 modems, 9600 baud using PEP, call across the room
- > Procomm Plus(rg) window Kermit, 1 byte LRC, 1000 byte packet 755 CPS
- > ...
-
- > PC-to-PC, 9600 baud to D-Channel
- > Kermit (non-sliding window, 1000 byte packets) 601 CPS
- > Procom Plus vers. 1.1B, window Kermit, 1024 byte packets 725 CPS
- > Procom Plus vers. 1.1B, Ymodem-G 940 CPS
- > Procom Plus vers. 2, window Kermit, "relaxed timeouts" 930 CPS
- > Procom Plus vers. 2, Zmodem streaming, "relaxed timeouts" 930 CPS
-
-
- > PC-to-PC, 19200 baud to D-Channel
- > Kermit (non-sliding window, 1000 byte packets) 960 CPS
- > Procom Plus vers. 1.1B, window Kermit, 1024 byte packets xxx CPS
- > {Unreliable, many time-outs, around 1133 CPS when it worked}
- > {Making EITHER to 9600 baud eliminated time-outs - about 750 CPS}
- > Procom Plus vers. 1.1B, Ymodem-G xxx CPS
- > {Unreliable, many time-outs, around 1190 CPS when it worked}
- > Procom Plus vers. 2, window Kermit, "relaxed timeouts" 1333 CPS
- > Procom Plus vers. 2, Zmodem streaming, "relaxed timeouts" 1240 CPS
- > {About 1 error per 10K bytes!!}
-
-
- For comparison, UUCP file transfers over Telebit T2500's at 19.2 DTE on
- with reasonable computers get 1300-1400 Bytes/sec net.
-
- Good v.32bis/v.42/v.42bis modems (e.g. DSI 9624LE+) move at least
- 1500 Bytes/sec through TCP/IP/SLIP.
-
-
- > I didn't measure latency directly....
- > ... So a total delay of around 70 msec.
- > would be a good estimate.
-
- Latency with v.32bis/v.42/v.42bis modems as measured by "ping" (ICMP
- echos over IP/SLIP) are from 160 milliseconds to 300 ms depending on
- the brand of modem.
-
- I bet you'd be shocked and horrified by an external measure of latency
- such as `ping` over ISDN. I was when I looked at modems.
-
-
- Is a fair summary that today ISDN D-channel appears to be faster than
- PEP modems for some things but generally slower than v.32bis/v.42
- modems? So that ISDN D-channel might be good for intermittent stuff,
- such as remote interactive access, where the packet charges might be
- less than phone rates, but less good than a $430 v.32bis modem for
- moving bulk data?
-
-
- Vernon Schryver, vjs@sgi.com
-