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- From: jamesh@aifh.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton)
- Newsgroups: sci.energy
- Subject: Re: Real vs Govt Energy costs (Re: Roads and Taxes)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.174753@aifh.ed.ac.uk>
- Date: 25 Jan 93 17:47:53 GMT
- References: <51868@seismo.CSS.GOV> <=b#s4vc@dixie.com> <30539@castle.ed.ac.uk> <1993Jan22.190333.10528@ttinews.tti.com> <30755@castle.ed.ac.uk>
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- Reply-To: jamesh@aifh.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton)
- Organization: Dept of AI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
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- In article <30755@castle.ed.ac.uk>, cir@festival.ed.ac.uk (C Revie) writes:
- # Now I believe that we should reduce our use of coal as fast as possible,
- # but the German approach while it may seem to cost more, prevents massive
- # social disturbance (with all that entails in terms of health and social
- # problems).
- #
- # As one who in his his early teenage years was a raving leftie, I view
- # ideology (whether of the right or the left) as a hinderance to
- # government. I would argue that Labour policies of Nationalisation and
- # thereby centralisation of the UK energy industries resulted in a sytem
- # that was moribund and resistant to change. However, even though I
- # initially was fiercely critical of the policy of privatisation of the
- # energy industries to begin with, I would now argue that they have not gone
- # far enough, and that we have merely substituted a government monoply for
- # private duopolies. And further that the govt has let privatisation
- # abrogate its resposibilities (yes govt must have responsibilities
- # otherwise there is no point in having it).
- #
- # Chris
-
- Hmmm, I think I agree with these points, and would add that in the USA
- where they have allowed market forces to govern things to a large
- extent(though it's not perfect), it has allowed utilities who have
- spotted new ways to make money to go ahead with their ideas. For example
- there have been several cases of utilities realising that instead of
- producing new electricity, it was cheaper to subsidise energy efficient
- technology to their users, and use the energy saved for other purposes.
- Also there are many utilities now operating on least cost planning,
- which encourages energy efficiency over new supply, and those that are
- sensitive to their environmental image can rightly point out that doing
- these things leads to less pollution overall. In Britain it would be
- interesting to see the result of a publicly owned grid whose mandate
- was to supply electricity from the cheapest sources, according to
- least cost guidelines, whilst allowing any company to produce
- plans for supplying the demand for electrical services and make bids
- for contracts based on those plans. Such planning has had interesting
- results in the US, see particularly the example of the Southern
- California Edison company which gave free quadruple efficiency bulbs to
- it's low income customers and their neighbourhood shops, because it was
- cheaper than generating the required extra electricity.
-
- James
-
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- * James Hammerton * If Pascal is equivalent to the *
- * Email: jamesh@uk.ac.ed.aisb * mini-metro,then ML is the concept *
- * * car where steering is done *
- * * recursively using the gearstick. *
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