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- From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
- Subject: Re: Why Johnny can't tell right from wrong.
- Message-ID: <By67D7.1Kz@quake.sylmar.ca.us>
- Organization: Quake Public Access
- References: <1992Nov16.144944.23285@asl.dl.nec.com> <00722135684@elgamy.uucp.taronga.com>
- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:12:42 GMT
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- In article <00722135684@elgamy.uucp.taronga.com> elg@elgamy.uucp.taronga.com (Eric Lee Green) writes:
- >From article <1992Nov16.144944.23285@asl.dl.nec.com>, by dillhoff@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Doug Dillhoff):
- >> The title is "Why Johnny can't tell right from wrong.", by Kilpatrick, a
- >> thoughts? It is a case for character education as opposed to the current
- >> and past emphasis on descision making skills and allowing the child
-
- >H.I.S.D. is big on "character education" Kilpatrick style. I can't see
- >where it makes much difference.
-
- Well, for many kids (particularly the ones whose parents are not the most
- responsible) there is more contact between them and teachers than with
- their parents.
-
- >My parents tell my kids, "If another kid
- >bothers you, beat him to a pulp."
-
- In districts where the teachers don't have any real disciplinary power, is that
- such bad advice?
-
- >My parents tell my kids, "Them teachers
- >is there only cuz they can't do nuthin' else."
-
- Isn't this often true? Would you suggest that parents lie to their kids?
-
- >The kids do not respect each
- >other, and they do not respect their teachers.
-
- I think that the solution to this is for the teachers to be truly deserving
- of respect, and for them to insist on respectful behavior from students.
- There is generally a lack of both.
-
- >In fact, one teacher at the
- >school I teach at got a split lip and another got the wind knocked out of
- >her by a kid who decided teachers were fair game. Then the parent comes up
- >to the school and says "What are you people doing to my poor child, my
- >child isn't a discipline problem," etc. etc.... one parent personally
- >threatened to turn me into an ink blot on the pavement for disciplining his
- >daughter, who "isn't a behavior problem" but who somehow despite that
- >managed to drench me with the entire contents of a milk carton, dashed into
- >my face.
-
- Woudln't it be nice if disgruntled parents could choose where their students
- go to school? Wouldn't it be nice if disruptive students could be easily
- expelled? When the state chains unwilling schools to unwilling students that
- things like this can get out of hand.
-
- >When the parents are saying this to the kids... what choice do we have
- >besides telling the kids, "don't listen to your parents"?
-
- Perhaps YOU should listen to them! Anyway, if a parent DOES tell his kid
- something wrong, you SHOULD tell him the truth. Kids respect honesty
- tremendously, and they recognize phonies a mile away. I think that's a
- big part of the reason they disrespect most teachers.
-
- >If anything makes
- >me get out of the inner city, it will be this issue. I'm the wrong color to
- >be telling these kids that their parents are raising them wrong. If a black
- >man said it, it would be okay... if I say it, I'm a racist.
-
- So you lie to them and their parents then? What kind os respect do you think
- this engenders? Or do you think your students and parents are too stupid
- to tell whether you are being honest with them?
-
- --Brian
-