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- From: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
- Subject: Re: quite unique research?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.014704.10604@news.columbia.edu>
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- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:47:04 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov16.210423.11779@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:
- >
- >>They are opinions... to some, using unique to mean "one of a kind" is wrong
- >>(not me me). To others, using unique to mean something *other* than "one of
- >>a kind" is wrong. Except to Roger, of course, who takes certain pleasure in
- >>seeking out one scholarly opinion to support his view of the week, and then
- >>lambasting the group with invective in trying to defend it.
- >
- >Stop lying.
-
- Actually, I'm sitting up rather straight.
-
- But seriously folks, I'm curious to know what in the above paragraph Roger
- considers "lying." The fact that people can have different opinions on
- language? I can certainly see why Roger would consider that lying. Anyone
- who disagrees with him is worthy of, in his own words, being belted in the
- head with a two-by-four. Or perhaps it is his crafty use of insolence and
- his contemptuous attitude toward anyone who would dare to disagree with him
- and his scholarship? Well, I needn't do more than simply point to it, as
- it lies naked for all to see.
-
- >I have so far posted *six* scholarly opinions, and have sought in vain for
- >one that contradicts my original assertion about "quite unique."
-
- *six* scholarly opinions: Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, Roger, and
- Roger. Then there was the Evans and Evans quote, which is one
- opinion. There are many others...Fowler, S&W, etc. who disagree, and
- their opinions are no less valid than E&E becuase you didn't happen to
- quote them.
-
- As for "quite unique," we've just spend the last few posts arguing
- about the meaning of "unique." Go back a few frames and you'll see
- that I mentioned that I have no problems with "quite unique." Same as
- saying "It's quite the ultimate." "Most unique" is a different story.
- That's just bad usage.
-
- >>>(I'm still shaking at the memory of Roger's flames to this newcomer
- to >>>Usenet about "concertize"....) > >>A pity, isn't it. > >What's
- a pity? That people can't walk over to the dictionary (or hook up
- >with the on-line OED)? That whole issue was avoidable, and the
- people who >spoke of that usage as being "depressing," "ugly," etc.
- might have saved >their breath.
-
- But to many, the usage "most unique" *is* ugly, depressing, etc. Just
- because it's in one dictionary or another doesn't mean that it's good
- usage that should be promulgated. As I've said, many fine
- dictionaries list "infer" and "imply" as synonyms, which they clearly
- are not. You can infer an implication, but you cannot imply an
- inference, no matter what your dictionary says.
-
- ...Still waiting for Roger to tell me where exactly I "spatter my prejudice
- everywhere I go"....
-
-
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