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- From: watnik@fisher.ucdavis.edu (Mitchell Watnik)
- Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
- Subject: Gay Marriages?
- Keywords: marriage, 14th Amendment, gays, lesbians
- Message-ID: <19377@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>
- Date: 18 Nov 92 18:03:13 GMT
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- Organization: University of California, Davis
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- Dear Rush Limbaugh fans, foes and others:
- My friend and I have spent a great deal of time recently arguing over the
- legal recognition of gay marriages. Unfortunately, our arguments have
- turned into either trivializations of the subject or just a simple
- difference of opinions. I would like to hear arguments for and against
- LEGAL RECOGNITION of gay marriages (not the idea of the marriage itself or
- moral issues-- I am pretty close to Libertarian in my politics and I've
- granted my friend the point that government should not enforce morality or
- enter into people's bedrooms).
-
- For example: My friend argues that the 14th Amendment provides that all
- citizens should have the same rights and privileges. He says that gays'
- 14th Amendment rights are violated since they do not enjoy the privilege
- of marrying the person of their choice. I've argued against this point 3
- ways. First, the legal definition of marriage currently says that
- marriage includes one member of each sex and everybody DOES enjoy this
- privilege (he claims that this does not let them include the person of
- their choice). Second, if choice is the issue, I argue that this
- "privilege" (which I say he's drawing out of thin air: "Where does it say
- that you have the right to get married to whomever you want?") since I am
- not entitled to marry, say, "that pretty woman over there" (he talks about
- mutual consent, to which I respond (admittedly feebly) that then we could
- address inter-species marriage). Finally, we argue over the purpose of
- the 14th Amendment. He is one of those people who claims in arguments
- against the Second Amendment that the "Founding Fathers could never have
- foreseen automatic weapons..."; so I turn the argument to "the writers of
- the 14th Amendment could never have foreseen it being used as a tool to
- expand the rights of certain political factions above others."
-
- Once again, I wish to emphasize that we are NOT discussing morality or
- judgment. The words "fag" and "homophobe" do not make for good arguments.
- I hope to get good responses, both pro and con, so that the two of us will
- have more ammunition with which to waste our free time.
-
- Thank you very much for listening and, in advance, for your responses.
- --Mitchell Watnik
- (mrwatnik@ucdavis.edu)
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