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- From: finn@isi.edu (Greg Finn)
- Newsgroups: sci.environment,sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Cost of public vs. private transportation
- Message-ID: <22071@venera.isi.edu>
- Date: 29 Jul 92 17:42:24 GMT
- References: <JYM.92Jul28184526@remarque.berkeley.edu>
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- In article <JYM.92Jul28184526@remarque.berkeley.edu> jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
- >=o= Auto/truck transportation exacts costs due to health and
- >environmental damage. People like Greg Finn routinely ignore
- >these costs. Ignoring these costs is completely absurd,
- >especially in a posting to a newsgroup with the word "environ-
- >ment" in it.
-
- As things stand now, a system like Metro Rail in LA does not
- stand fiscal scrutiny on paper for direct costs per rider in dollars.
- As a result it is heavily subsidized. Yourself and others make
- appeals about indirect costs, which you claim would balance the books
- if only we paid attention to them. If you are going to start
- accounting for indirect costs, then if honest you must attempt to be
- fair and account for them pro and con.
-
- I don't know how to fairly address the indirect costs because
- I don't have a rational way of fairly measuring them, nor have I seen
- one. So I won't appeal to indirect costs when making my argument.
- Saying that I ignore them is wrong. Saying that I don't understand
- them is accurate.
-
- I can measure the direct costs to me for operating an
- automobile. I judge the benefits to me to be worth more than those
- costs. As a result I pay them to obtain those benefits. If I choose
- not to use an automobile, then most of those costs are immediately
- recoverable. I no longer pay for the car, its insurance, upkeep, gas,
- gas taxes, registration fees, and so on.
-
- I have no choice not to use a mass transit system to recover
- my direct costs when that system is publicly financed as Metro Rail
- is. Most of the direct costs of the system are born by those who do
- not use that system. That lack of fairness, the lack of a choice in
- determining where I spend my transportation dollars, is my primary
- complaint about recent mass transit systems in the US.
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- Gregory Finn (310) 822-1511
- Information Sciences Institute, Marina Del Rey, CA 90292
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