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- From: Arthur.Saus@p160.f72.n376.z1.fidonet.org (Arthur Saus)
- Newsgroups: misc.handicap
- Subject: Conservative treatment
- Message-ID: <23206@handicap.news>
- Date: 21 Jul 92 15:59:21 GMT
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- [This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]
-
- Hello Linda!
-
- 13 Jul 92, Linda Cummings writes to Jocelyne Dever:
-
- >> One problem
- >> is at the L4-L5...a herniating disk causing nerve compression
- >> (surprise, surprise! <g>) and is the cause of the pain in the left
- >> leg.
-
- LC> Stop gloating! This time, I'm sorry I was right. No mention of surgery
- LC> to do a laminectomy? Humm...
-
- >> The other is at the S1-S2 which he says is probably the old
- >> problem reactivated (discotomy and laminectomy in '85 at L5-
- >> S1)...how that affects the S1-S2 I am not too sure <puzzled look>
- >> and that is causing the pain in the right leg. The other
- >> overriding problem apparently is that I have spinal stenosis or
- >> narrowing of the spinal column as the GP explained.
-
- LC> Well, maybe Arthur might chime in here, but it could be that the S1-S2
- LC> surgery weakened the area and now you're having problems around that area
- LC> because of the weakening. Narrowing of the spinal column? Hey
- LC> Arthur...is this the degenerative disk disease?
-
- Well, that is one possible explanation, but there are others that
- are equally possible if you understand the anatomy. The L5-S1 and
- S1-S2 nerves pass through the L4-L5 spinal canal before they reach
- their respective levels. It is certainly possible that a problem
- at the higher L4-L5 area can affect any nerves at a lower level.
-
- It's the same reason that neck fractures can be so dangerous, since
- the nerves that go to virtually ALL the rest of the body below the
- neck, first have to pass through this area. Problems at any
- specific area of the spine can affect any or all of the nerve
- levels below that area.
-
- >> I don't mind the tens but I have had many
- >> excrutiating experiences with ultrasound in the past and will not
- >> risk it again. The physio swears that it can't hurt but when she
- >> would rub it over parts of my legs or hips where the pain was
- >> really bad it was like chewing on a piece of tinfoil when you have
- >> a cavity in your tooth. The pain was the worst I have ever
- >> experienced and I would have absolutely no warning when she would
- >> hit a sensitive spot.
-
- LC> I've never heard of anyone experiencing this. It always felt pretty good
- LC> to me. You're wierd! [grin]
-
- Other conditions such as trigger points can also cause these
- symptoms. Maybe there's more to it than just being wierd [grin]!
-
- >> After all this he finally got to the main recommendation of the
- >> neuro and that is that the only treatment that will really help is
- >> for me to lose weight. That really upset me and made me quite
- >> depressed.
-
- LC> <snip>
-
- >> would probably never lose it at my age (47)! So what do you and
- >> anyone else feel about this? I can't be the only overweight
- >> person with back problems but I was made to feel that I *CAUSED*
- >> it, that it is my fault. Seems like an easy answer for them and
- >> very hard for me to defend or argue against!
-
- I doubt this was intended to be upsetting, depressing, or what ever
- other adjective you want to use to describe it. The fact is that
- additional weight appears to be associated with back pain
- problems.
-
- Look at folks you know who have back pain problems, or look at
- messages on this echo about back pain. Usually you will find it is
- more likely to be a problem for folks who are overweight, although
- certainly not always. Similarly, look at thin people and you will
- find it is not as likely that they will have back pain problems.
-
- Although there is not a cause and effect relationship between back
- pain and being overweight, the two do seem to be associated.
- Therefore it also seems that losing weight puts someone into a
- group where back pain is not as likely to be a problem. A
- recommendation to lose weight, although it may indeed be very hard
- for an individual to do, becomes an important one for effective
- therapy. It's far more than just "an easy answer".
-
- Arthur
-
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