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- Newsgroups: alt.peeves
- Subject: Re: Drug testing and welfare
- Message-ID: <1992Jul27.184207.1@husky1.stmarys.ca>
- Date: 28 Jul 92 00:16:09 GMT
- References: <92206.093638JMS111@psuvm.psu.edu> <a5qkoB16w165w@mantis.co.uk>
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- Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
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- In article <a5qkoB16w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
- > Jenni Sheehey <JMS111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
-
- [bit o' stuff deleted]
- >
- >> First of all, nobody's sending anyone to prison. They're merely giving
- >> them a choice: enroll in drug treatment, or stop receiving handouts.
- >
- > Has it occurred to you that people might want to choose to take drugs? That
- > they might do so occasionally, without becoming addicted?
- >
-
- The truth is, some druge are *highly* addictive (cocaine and crack) for
- example. And whether or not someone wants to do something illegal is
- irrelevant. Illegal is illegal. If people choose to do drugs, they should not
- be doing it with money given them by the government to live on. It's as simple
- as that. If I do drugs, that's bad enough. However, at least I am using my own
- money to do it.
-
- >> only receive food stamps. Second, there is a difference between being
- >> *willing* to take a drug test, and having an orgasm over the prospect.
- >> I wouldn't *like* it, but I would be happy to do it if it meant that a)
- >> people with problems would be forced to get treatment,
- >
- > If drug use weren't illegal, you'd have Drug-users Anonymous alongside
- > Alcoholics Anonymous. You wouldn't have to force people to get treatment,
- > they'd walk in and ask for help of their own free will.
- >
-
- SOME would. Many would not.
-
- > No doubt during prohibition there were similar schemes requiring that those
- > found to be consuming alcohol should report to rehabilitation centres or be
- > imprisoned and forced to do so. You look it up, it's your country's history.
- >
- >> and b) I would
- >> know that I wasn't eating on $5 a week to finance someone else's drug
- >> habit (which I don't happen to be quite doing now, but I have done it
- >> for considerable periods of time since I started supporting myself
- >> after college in 1990).
- >
- > Well, given that it costs more to keep addicts in jail than to give them
- > treatment for their addiction, I'd say your big concern should be stopping
- > the "war on drugs" and spending the money on rehabilitation centres. Then
- > there'd be no money wasted on jailing drug users, and everyone who wanted
- > treatment would be able to get it.
- >
-
- While I agree that more rehabilitation centres are a good idea, I wonder if a
- better idea wouldn't be to transfer inmates in present prisons around, so that
- the addicts are all in one prison. Then the system could concentrate on
- rehabilitating all the inmates in the prisons with the junkies.
-
- >> Peeve: People who think that people have a *right* to indulge in illegal
- >> activities.
- >
- > Yeah. Let's jail all those law-breakers who engage in oral sex or sex
- > outside marriage. They have no right to have sex, so lock 'em up.
- >
-
- Actually, here in Canada, I think both of those are legal. If they aren't,
- then "they" DON'T have a right to have those forms of sex. Just because you
- *think* that something should be legal, dosen't mean you have a right to do it.
- In the same token, just because something is illegal, dosen't mean it's morally
- wrong. It *IS* illegal, though. If you do something illegal, you risk
- punishment. It is that simple.
-
- >> ObHoney: Honey, you better not be one of those militant anti-smokers,
- >> too. That would just be too inconsistent.
- >
- > The rule is simple and consistent. You can smoke, snort or inject whatever
- > the hell you want, just so long as *I* don't have to join in.
- >
- >
- > mathew
- > --
- >
- However, you run the risk of getting caught. You forgot that bit ;-)
-
- Later
- Mike
-