MEN IN BLACK. In the past a certain number of people often come around and ask people who would see space craft all sorts of questions, Then after they got the information they would threaten them with everything in the book if they ever talked about it to anyone. They sometimes would even kill the person if they didn't shut up. They were called the Men in Black because they wore dark suits and drove dark colored cars. I recently got some information about these people. They are from the Sirius Star System although most of the good type beings from that system such as Kadar refer to these Men in Black's planet as a rather unsightly planet and from their frame of reference they do not claim them to be their own, but they must acknowledge that they are even within their dimension, located within the Sirius system. Our government is cooperating with Sirians now and the question was asked; What is the power that makes the entire government have to go along with them? They have weapons sources (I must be circumspect) that are believed by the powers that be on this planet (Earth) to be absolutely dominating. In other words the government believes that it is looking down the barrel of a very big gun. The Sirians are in the second dimension soon to go into the third dimension. We are in the third soon to go into the fourth. The Sirians are trying to keep us from going into the fourth dimension. The negative Sirians are involved in these cattle mutilations because of their desirae to create a species that can perpetuate itself in the harshest of conditions. The people from Zeta Reticuli aren't doing the mutilations but the primitive Zeta Reticulians which are from what we would now consider to be from the past (please don't ask me to explain that because I can't JW.) are helping the Sirians. One of the beings that was interviewed while he was asleep is called B'Zal. You talk about a tough dude. He would make the worse person on Earth look like Mr. Robert (on the kids TV show).J.W. Excerpts from _Alien Intelligence_ by Stuart Holroyd. Everest House, 1979, ISBN 0-89696-040-4. Since the start of the modern era of reported UFO activity, which is generally considered as dating from the 1947 sighting by American businessman and amateur pilot, Kenneth Arnold, many people who have claimed sightings of UFOs or contact experiences with their occupants have reported subsequent visits from rather sinister gentlemen whose behavior has been distinctly odd. These reports have emanated from different countries and from individuals quite unaware that their experiences were not unique, and they have details in common that add up to a rather convincing case for the reality of the visitors. The men are generally described as dark or olive-skinned, rather oriental-looking, of short stature, and frail build, and are usually dressed in black, sometimes in ill-fitting or out-of-fashion clothes. There are generally two or three of them and they seem to travel in large black cars. Some people who have been visited by 'men in black' have noted the numbers on the cars' license plates, but when police have checked these they invariably found that they are non-existant as registered license numbers. Other people have reported that the visitors have appeared and vanished with unaccountable abruptness. They have used a variety of ruses to command a hearing, masquerading as government agents, journalists, military or air force personnel, or representatives of insurance companies, for example. Sometimes they simply ask a lot of questions, many of them puzzlingly irrelevant, and then go away, but sometimes they communicate quite unequivocal warnings of dire consequences if a person does not keep quiet about his UFO experience. More than one investigator has been effectively silenced or intimidated by the sinister visitors. UFO cultists who believe that the world's governments are in cahots to suppress information on the subject, have spread the idea that the 'men in black' are CIA agents, but this hypothesis is difficult to maintain in view of the evidence for their world-wide appearances, the uniformity and peculiarity of their looks, and the strangeness of their conduct. -- John Powell - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Powell@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG Date: Thu, 14 Mar 91 11:13:59 EST Reply-To: FORUM FOR UFOLOGY Sender: FORUM FOR UFOLOGY From: Charles To: Charles McGrew In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 13 Mar 91 15:01:27 EDT On MIB's. From Brad Steiger's disorganized opus "Mysteries of Time & Space" Prenntice-Hall, 1974, ISBN 0-113-609040-0 (some of the book first appeared in "Saga" and "Male" magazine -- that should give you some context of the 'hardness' of this info, but it is grist for the mill). In September, 1953 Albert K. Bender had figured out parts of the origin of flying saucers, and sent his theory off to a "trusted friend". Soon thereafter three men dressed in black appeared, with his letter in hand. They told him 'the real story', and he became ill. Bender, apparently to "save mankind", kept the details to himself and gave up UFO research. Parts of this story were retold in Gray Barker's "They knew too much about flying saucers" (1956) [without the part of 'revealed truth'], and said that several other people (in Australia and New Zealand) had also been visited. Bender decided to tell all in his 1962 "Flying Saucers and the Three Men", which (Steiger says) was disappointing, in that it didn't tell much (that anyone wanted to know, anyway). Alien bases in Antartica (which Bender saw by Astral Projection), and so on. However, others continued to stick to the MIB story, saying that Bender had in fact been silenced. "Bender was a changed man after the MIB visited him. It was as if he had been lobotomized." He suffered headaches that he said were caused by 'them'. Steiger says that "large numbers" of UFO-ologists have been harassed by *somebody*. A number of them (none named, unfortunately) had had photographs and negatives of UFO's confiscated by people claiming "government affiliation" (curious term, that) - "usually three, usually dressed in black". [BTW, if you ever get a visit from MIB, what they're asking you to do is a violation of search and seizure laws.] In an issue of "Saucer Scoop" (as usual, Steiger doesn't give an issue number) John Keel is quoted as saying that MIB are professional terrorists who go from place to place making sure that too much isn't found out about the UFO phenominon. Keel says that MIB victims appear to be subjected to "some sort of brainwashing technique that leaves him in a state of nausea, mental confusion, or even amnesia lasting for several days". Keel goes on to charge that local police/FBI/etc. must be in on it, because they refuse to investigate MIB. Col. George Freeman (Blue Book) was quoted by Steiger as being quoted by Keel (do you get the drift here of Mr. Steiger's "journalistic" zeal?) as saying that MIB cases were investigated by Blue Book, and that they weren't connected to the Air Force in any way. Steiger goes on to detail how four bogus USAF officers (Men-In-Blue, I guess :-) told witnesses in NJ that they "hadn't seen a thing" in 1967, and that they shouldn't tell anyone what they saw. ... Steiger goes on to give sketchy details of several other MIB visitations (though several are of encounters with a single man, not three), claiming to be NORAD officers, from the "UFO Research Institute", and (my favorite) "a government agency so secret he couldn't give its name". Also, telephone and mail harassment and messages from TV's and radios are mentioned. The MIB know where you're going, where you've been, and what you've been doing, and will tell you such things to convince you to be quiet. From there, Steiger goes off the deep end, claiming that MIB are to be found throughout history, as "Trickster", "Poltergeist" or "Sorcerer" figures. Well, I didn't say this was a good source, now did I? A comment on clothing: I've seen various things about the material the MIB supposedly wear -- its made of a plastic-like substance, a rubbery substance, and in Steiger's book the material is described by "Major Joseph Jenkins, Retired, Field Investigations Director for the UFO Research Institute of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania" in 1968 as "reminding him of the quilted uniforms (by Korean/Chinese troops) in the Korean war". Comments on appearance: I've seen all sorts of descriptions of MIB's physical appearance -- here's another that I haven't seen before: "Jim" (no date, no last name): "He was cadaverous... he looked like those WWII photographs of someone in a concentration camp. But he seemed alert enough." From: murrayb@crfm.gen.nz (Murray Bott) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Men in Black Message-ID: <36988.2009224001@crfm.gen.nz> Date: 19 Jul 92 10:16:28 GMT Reply-To: murrayb@crfm.gen.nz (Murray Bott) Distribution: alt Organization: Household UNIX, Auckland, New Zealand Lines: 42 In Brad Steigers book "Mysteries of Time and Space" (Sphere Books,paperback edition,published 1977 page 193.) Steiger writes > In 1956 Gray Barker told the Bender story-minus the >detailed revalations the men in black (MIB) had given >Bender about the UFO enigma__in They Knew Too Much >About Flying Saucers. In the same volume he related that >Edgar R Jarrold, organiser of the Australian Flying Saucer > Bureau, Harold H Fulton, head of Civilian Saucer Inves- >tigation of New Zealand, and Ufologist John H Stuart, >also a New Zealander,had received visits from mysterious >strangers in black and had subsequently disbanded their >organizations and their research This paragraph contains some distortions and basic error of facts. The book "They Knew Too Much About Flying Saucers" by Gray Barker does contain some material which has helped to artifically create a Mystery. Certainly with regards to Harold H Fulton he did not ever receive any visit by strangers in black, nor did he ever receive any threats to close or cease his research. He continued his research until his death in 1986 and was New Zealand Director for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) from 1973 until this time Fortunately a large portion of his files survive and are now in my possesion. As far as New Zealander John Stuart is concerned, I have not ever established contact with him (He appears to have passed away in very recent years) I do have on file his photostat copies of his correspondance with Grey Barker (received from another source). In light of the ongoing discussion on this by some (on this Net and perhaps elsewhere) I will be checking some background in other areas and may at some time in the future post an article on this net (if neccassary) although this is likely to be some weeks or even months away Regards -- Domain : murrayb@crfm.gen.nz Voice : 64-9-6315825 Snail : PO Box 27117, Mt Roskill, Auckland 1030, New Zealand