This was a second warning about being unable to un-install VRAMDIR. If you try it, better crank up a third party un-installer to monitor its progress. Multiple re-postings seemed to creep in here too, again from news.accessone.com. From van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!arlut.utexas.edu!UPPSSNEWSPUB01!UPPSSNEWSPUB04!mvb.saic.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.u.washington.edu!virtual Wed Aug 14 22:03:23 1996 From: virtual@accessone.com (Virtual Software Corporation) Subject: Re: *WARNING* - D/L VRAMDIR speed up Windows 95 - Won't Uninstall Date: Mon, 12 Aug 96 04:03:52 GMT Organization: Virtual Software Corporation Lines: 16 References: <4t4g61$7mh@news.accessone.com> <4tbc2d$5h1@newnews.iafrica.com> <4tbgl1$i1p@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <31FA2419.5345@iaehv.nl> <4tduv5$h0o@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <31fc4a47.46645787@news.usa.pipeline.com> <3206bfb1.4156139@news.iapc.net> <4u6shv$a2v@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <320B9649.253C@bccom.com> <4ugnl1$hme@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <4ukpus$7il@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca> <320e81af.983062@news1.wolfenet.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Message-ID: <1996Aug13.0113370522.86.200@UPPSSNEWSPUB04> Newsgroups: alt.windows95,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,microsoft.public.win95,microsoft.public.win95.filediskmanagement,alt.os.windows95 X-Auth-Login-Name: Path: van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!arlut.utexas.edu!UPPSSNEWSPUB01!UPPSSNEWSPUB04!mvb.saic.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.u.washington.edu!virtual Xref: van-bc comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95:19195 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:127710 In article <320e81af.983062@news1.wolfenet.com>, hherron@wolfenet.com wrote: > Anyone get this to uninstall without going through the registry? >I'm taking it back out of my system, but I can't seem to get it to uninstall. Uninstall won't take effect until Windows restarts. Virtual Software Corporation 15016 SE 63 St. Bellevue, WA 98006-4634 http://accessone.com/~virtual/vramdir.htm virtual@accessone.com Please visit our WWW site for more information and to download a FREE trial copy of VRAMDIR. ZD Net (PC Magazine) rated VRAMDIR 4-star. From van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!oronet!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.texas.net!nntp04.primenet.com!news.shkoo.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.u.washington.edu!virtual Wed Aug 14 22:03:25 1996 Path: van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!oronet!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.texas.net!nntp04.primenet.com!news.shkoo.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.u.washington.edu!virtual From: virtual@accessone.com (Virtual Software Corporation) Newsgroups: alt.windows95,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,microsoft.public.win95,microsoft.public.win95.filediskmanagement,alt.os.windows95 Subject: Re: *WARNING* - D/L VRAMDIR speed up Windows 95 - Won't Uninstall Date: Mon, 12 Aug 96 04:03:52 GMT Organization: Virtual Software Corporation Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4um9s1$in1@nntp4.u.washington.edu> References: <4t4g61$7mh@news.accessone.com> <4tbc2d$5h1@newnews.iafrica.com> <4tbgl1$i1p@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <31FA2419.5345@iaehv.nl> <4tduv5$h0o@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <31fc4a47.46645787@news.usa.pipeline.com> <3206bfb1.4156139@news.iapc.net> <4u6shv$a2v@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <320B9649.253C@bccom.com> <4ugnl1$hme@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <4ukpus$7il@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca> <320e81af.983062@news1.wolfenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs10-3.u.washington.edu X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Xref: van-bc comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95:19074 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:127216 In article <320e81af.983062@news1.wolfenet.com>, hherron@wolfenet.com wrote: > Anyone get this to uninstall without going through the registry? >I'm taking it back out of my system, but I can't seem to get it to uninstall. Uninstall won't take effect until Windows restarts. Virtual Software Corporation 15016 SE 63 St. Bellevue, WA 98006-4634 http://accessone.com/~virtual/vramdir.htm virtual@accessone.com Please visit our WWW site for more information and to download a FREE trial copy of VRAMDIR. ZD Net (PC Magazine) rated VRAMDIR 4-star. From van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tezcat.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-chi-8.sprintlink.net!ratty.wolfe.net!usenet Wed Aug 14 22:03:26 1996 Path: van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tezcat.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-chi-8.sprintlink.net!ratty.wolfe.net!usenet From: hherron@wolfenet.com (Henry) Newsgroups: alt.windows95,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,microsoft.public.win95,microsoft.public.win95.filediskmanagement,alt.os.windows95 Subject: Re: *WARNING* - D/L VRAMDIR speed up Windows 95 - Won't Uninstall Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 00:59:23 GMT Organization: Wolfe Internet of Washington Lines: 6 Message-ID: <320e81af.983062@news1.wolfenet.com> References: <4t4g61$7mh@news.accessone.com> <4tbc2d$5h1@newnews.iafrica.com> <4tbgl1$i1p@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <31FA2419.5345@iaehv.nl> <4tduv5$h0o@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <31fc4a47.46645787@news.usa.pipeline.com> <3206bfb1.4156139@news.iapc.net> <4u6shv$a2v@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <320B9649.253C@bccom.com> <4ugnl1$hme@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <4ukpus$7il@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca> Reply-To: hherron@wolfenet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: yak-ts1-p03.wolfenet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Xref: van-bc comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95:19070 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:127180 Anyone get this to uninstall without going through the registry? I'm taking it back out of my system, but I can't seem to get it to uninstall. :( hherron@wolfenet.com From van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!arlut.utexas.edu!UPPSSNEWSPUB01!UPPSSNEWSPUB04!p6dnf.drcoffsite.com!mikasa.iol.it!peroni.ita.tip.net!ubnsrv.unisource.ch!scsing.switch.ch!blackbush.xlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.u.washington.edu!virtual Wed Aug 14 22:03:27 1996 From: virtual@accessone.com (Virtual Software Corporation) Subject: Re: *WARNING* - D/L VRAMDIR speed up Windows 95 - Won't Uninstall Date: Mon, 12 Aug 96 04:03:52 GMT Organization: Virtual Software Corporation Lines: 16 References: <4t4g61$7mh@news.accessone.com> <4tbc2d$5h1@newnews.iafrica.com> <4tbgl1$i1p@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <31FA2419.5345@iaehv.nl> <4tduv5$h0o@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <31fc4a47.46645787@news.usa.pipeline.com> <3206bfb1.4156139@news.iapc.net> <4u6shv$a2v@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <320B9649.253C@bccom.com> <4ugnl1$hme@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <4ukpus$7il@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca> <320e81af.983062@news1.wolfenet.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Message-ID: <1996Aug12.2258550222.86.170@UPPSSNEWSPUB04> Newsgroups: alt.windows95,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,microsoft.public.win95,microsoft.public.win95.filediskmanagement,alt.os.windows95 X-Auth-Login-Name: Path: van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!arlut.utexas.edu!UPPSSNEWSPUB01!UPPSSNEWSPUB04!p6dnf.drcoffsite.com!mikasa.iol.it!peroni.ita.tip.net!ubnsrv.unisource.ch!scsing.switch.ch!blackbush.xlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.u.washington.edu!virtual Xref: van-bc comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95:19200 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:127714 In article <320e81af.983062@news1.wolfenet.com>, hherron@wolfenet.com wrote: > Anyone get this to uninstall without going through the registry? >I'm taking it back out of my system, but I can't seem to get it to uninstall. Uninstall won't take effect until Windows restarts. Virtual Software Corporation 15016 SE 63 St. Bellevue, WA 98006-4634 http://accessone.com/~virtual/vramdir.htm virtual@accessone.com Please visit our WWW site for more information and to download a FREE trial copy of VRAMDIR. ZD Net (PC Magazine) rated VRAMDIR 4-star. From van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news1.mpcs.com!zdc!szdc!news Wed Aug 14 22:03:28 1996 Path: van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news1.mpcs.com!zdc!szdc!news From: psydoc@cris.com (Mark A. Arcuri) Newsgroups: alt.windows95,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,microsoft.public.win95,microsoft.public.win95.filediskmanagement,alt.os.windows95 Subject: Re: *WARNING* - D/L VRAMDIR speed up Windows 95 - Won't Uninstall Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 21:31:42 -0600 Organization: Mark A. Arcuri, MA Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <4t4g61$7mh@news.accessone.com> <4tbc2d$5h1@newnews.iafrica.com> <4tbgl1$i1p@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <31FA2419.5345@iaehv.nl> <4tduv5$h0o@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <31fc4a47.46645787@news.usa.pipeline.com> <3206bfb1.4156139@news.iapc.net> <4u6shv$a2v@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <320B9649.253C@bccom.com> <4ugnl1$hme@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <4ukpus$7il@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca> <320e81af.983062@news1.wolfenet.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v1.01.492 Xref: van-bc comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95:19079 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:127253 In article <320e81af.983062@news1.wolfenet.com>, hherron@wolfenet.com says... > Anyone get this to uninstall without going through the registry? > I'm taking it back out of my system, but I can't seem to get it to uninstall. > :( > > > hherron@wolfenet.com > Henry... I needed to uninstall VRAMDIR at one point troubleshoot something and I simply did so using Add/Remove Programs in Control Panel. No problems. By the way, I re-installed it when I was finished with what I was doing - I really like the program. ...Mark. P.S. - why all the crossposting? -- ________________________________________ Mark A. Arcuri, MA Licensed Psychologist Associate New Mexico, that's --> USA! mailto:psydoc@cris.com From van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!news.inc.net!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!news.ultranet.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!bcs3.bccom.com!news Wed Aug 14 22:03:29 1996 Path: van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!news.inc.net!newspump.sol.net!homer.alpha.net!news.ultranet.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!bcs3.bccom.com!news From: Barbara Kopp Newsgroups: alt.windows95,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,microsoft.public.win95,microsoft.public.win95.filediskmanagement,alt.os.windows95 Subject: Re: *WARNING* - D/L VRAMDIR speed up Windows 95 - Won't Uninstall Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:00:04 -0400 Organization: BenchMark Communications Systems Lines: 6 Message-ID: <32122234.4798@bccom.com> References: <4t4g61$7mh@news.accessone.com> <4tbc2d$5h1@newnews.iafrica.com> <4tbgl1$i1p@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <31FA2419.5345@iaehv.nl> <4tduv5$h0o@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <31fc4a47.46645787@news.usa.pipeline.com> <3206bfb1.4156139@news.iapc.net> <4u6shv$a2v@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <320B9649.253C@bccom.com> <4ugnl1$hme@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <4ukpus$7il@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca> <320e81af.983062@news1.wolfenet.com> <1996Aug13.0113370522.86.200@UPPSSNEWSPUB04> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm01-027.bccom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) Xref: van-bc comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95:19341 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:128414 I have no idea why my little two sentence post keeps "repeating itself"... but I'd like to apologize for it.. I only posted it ONCE.. and I'm sorry it seems to be self-growing.... If anyone has any idea WHY this is happening, I sure as heck would like to heart it.... Barbara From van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news1.hotstar.net!winternet.com!mr.net!news.sgi.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!arlut.utexas.edu!UPPSSNEWSPUB01!UPPSSNEWSPUB05!p6dnf.drcoffsite.com!interpath!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news1.mpcs.com!zdc!szdc!news Wed Aug 14 22:03:30 1996 From: psydoc@cris.com (Mark A. Arcuri) Subject: Re: *WARNING* - D/L VRAMDIR speed up Windows 95 - Won't Uninstall Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 21:31:42 -0600 Organization: Mark A. Arcuri, MA Lines: 26 References: <4t4g61$7mh@news.accessone.com> <4tbc2d$5h1@newnews.iafrica.com> <4tbgl1$i1p@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <31FA2419.5345@iaehv.nl> <4tduv5$h0o@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <31fc4a47.46645787@news.usa.pipeline.com> <3206bfb1.4156139@news.iapc.net> <4u6shv$a2v@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <320B9649.253C@bccom.com> <4ugnl1$hme@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <4ukpus$7il@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca> <320e81af.983062@news1.wolfenet.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v1.01.492 Message-ID: <1996Aug13.0058280966.85.202@UPPSSNEWSPUB05> Newsgroups: alt.windows95,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,microsoft.public.win95,microsoft.public.win95.filediskmanagement,alt.os.windows95 X-Auth-Login-Name: Path: van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news1.hotstar.net!winternet.com!mr.net!news.sgi.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!arlut.utexas.edu!UPPSSNEWSPUB01!UPPSSNEWSPUB05!p6dnf.drcoffsite.com!interpath!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news1.mpcs.com!zdc!szdc!news Xref: van-bc comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95:19189 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:127706 In article <320e81af.983062@news1.wolfenet.com>, hherron@wolfenet.com says... > Anyone get this to uninstall without going through the registry? > I'm taking it back out of my system, but I can't seem to get it to uninstall. > :( > > > hherron@wolfenet.com > Henry... I needed to uninstall VRAMDIR at one point troubleshoot something and I simply did so using Add/Remove Programs in Control Panel. No problems. By the way, I re-installed it when I was finished with what I was doing - I really like the program. ...Mark. P.S. - why all the crossposting? -- ________________________________________ Mark A. Arcuri, MA Licensed Psychologist Associate New Mexico, that's --> USA! mailto:psydoc@cris.com From van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!arlut.utexas.edu!UPPSSNEWSPUB01!UPPSSNEWSPUB04!p6dnf.drcoffsite.com!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news-f.computek.net!news.iadfw.net!newshost.cyberramp.net!news.cstone.net!news5.digex.net!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tezcat.com!new Wed Aug 14 22:03:31 1996 From: hherron@wolfenet.com (Henry) Subject: Re: *WARNING* - D/L VRAMDIR speed up Windows 95 - Won't Uninstall Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 00:59:23 GMT Organization: Wolfe Internet of Washington Lines: 6 References: <4t4g61$7mh@news.accessone.com> <4tbc2d$5h1@newnews.iafrica.com> <4tbgl1$i1p@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <31FA2419.5345@iaehv.nl> <4tduv5$h0o@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <31fc4a47.46645787@news.usa.pipeline.com> <3206bfb1.4156139@news.iapc.net> <4u6shv$a2v@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <320B9649.253C@bccom.com> <4ugnl1$hme@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <4ukpus$7il@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca> Reply-To: hherron@wolfenet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Message-ID: <1996Aug12.2258470891.86.170@UPPSSNEWSPUB04> Newsgroups: alt.windows95,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,microsoft.public.win95,microsoft.public.win95.filediskmanagement,alt.os.windows95 X-Auth-Login-Name: Path: van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!arlut.utexas.edu!UPPSSNEWSPUB01!UPPSSNEWSPUB04!p6dnf.drcoffsite.com!interpath!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news-f.computek.net!news.iadfw.net!newshost.cyberramp.net!news.cstone.net!news5.digex.net!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tezcat.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-chi-8.sprintlink.net!ratty.wolfe.net!usenet Xref: van-bc comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95:19201 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:127715 Anyone get this to uninstall without going through the registry? I'm taking it back out of my system, but I can't seem to get it to uninstall. :( hherron@wolfenet.com From van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed1.aimnet.com!news.walltech.com!hsno.wco.com!news.wco.com!ultra.sonic.net!news Wed Aug 14 22:03:32 1996 Path: van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed1.aimnet.com!news.walltech.com!hsno.wco.com!news.wco.com!ultra.sonic.net!news From: Ron Vehlow Newsgroups: alt.windows95,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,microsoft.public.win95,microsoft.public.win95.filediskmanagement,alt.os.windows95 Subject: Re: *WARNING* - D/L VRAMDIR speed up Windows 95 - Won't Uninstall Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 20:33:51 -0700 Organization: Austen-Tashus Lines: 16 Message-ID: <32129A9F.13DD@sonic.net> References: <4t4g61$7mh@news.accessone.com> <4tbc2d$5h1@newnews.iafrica.com> <4tbgl1$i1p@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <31FA2419.5345@iaehv.nl> <4tduv5$h0o@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <31fc4a47.46645787@news.usa.pipeline.com> <3206bfb1.4156139@news.iapc.net> <4u6shv$a2v@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <320B9649.253C@bccom.com> <4ugnl1$hme@nntp4.u.washington.edu> <4ukpus$7il@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca> <1996Aug12.2258470891.86.170@UPPSSNEWSPUB04> Reply-To: ronv@sonic.net NNTP-Posting-Host: d33.pm8.sonic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b7 (Win95; I) Xref: van-bc comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95:19435 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:128696 Henry wrote: > > Anyone get this to uninstall without going through the registry? > I'm taking it back out of my system, but I can't seem to get it to uninstall. > :( > > hherron@wolfenet.com You have to go thru the Registry, use the "find" function and delete all references to the program. Ron V -- "A Government that must hide from it's people is no Government at all" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!