OS/2 Hardware Issues (Fidonet) Saturday, 16-Oct-1999 to Friday, 22-Oct-1999 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Bas Heijermans 15-Oct-99 10:17:09 To: Mike Roark 16-Oct-99 00:50:18 Subj: Matrox drivers? Mike Roark made noise to Bas Heijermans: Hi Mike, DC>> drive and put a different drive in as primary and everything DC>> boots fine. Haven't dared try the DANIS driver a second DC>> time. BH> Here they screwed the desktop, I had to rebuild the ini's, that has BH> never happened before, I'm still recovering from that experiance. MR> I've run all of them except the 5th beta IIRC. For some MR> reason, and it was probably something silly, it wouldn't MR> work. I dropped back to beta 4, and all was well until I got MR> 6. Now, I just drop the latest one in if I happen to see it. MR> It made a world of difference on drive access times. The MR> whole system seemed to work faster. Well I havn't seen that much speed improvement, maybe you just see cache-burst's from you drive instead of real increase of performance? Warp3SMP, Bas Heijermans. -=Team OS/2=- -=Computer.Repairs@VT4.Net=- --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: The OS/2 BBS ++32-11-342745 - V34/V120 (2:292/180) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: George Fliger 15-Oct-99 05:51:08 To: Kris Steenhaut 16-Oct-99 07:23:13 Subj: Re: Logitech Trackman Marble+ On 11 Oct 99 01:02pm, Kris Steenhaut wrote to Leonard Erickson: KS> To bad the SDD drivers aren't stable enough yet. Not to mention how EXTREMELY slow they are. George ... It's Kris's FAULT! --- Via Silver Xpress V4.4P [Reg] * Origin: Chipper Clipper * Bradenton, Fl * 941-745-5677 * (1:137/2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Matt Bedynek 16-Oct-99 20:16:24 To: Ruth Argust 17-Oct-99 05:29:24 Subj: CPU change Hello Ruth. Wednesday October 13 1999 00:26, Ruth Argust wrote to Matt Bedynek: MB>> Out of three computers here, only one has a single ISA card. RA> I guess it would be simpler if we didn't have all the junk added on :) I think so. There are some excellent motherboards around and the effort found hunting down such a beast would be pointless. MB>> is 5/2/1 or 4/3/1 (pci/isa/agp). RA> We just ordered a new HD so when it gets here, we are going to verify RA> for certain how many ISA slots we need. At that point, if 3 will RA> handle it, I might be in business. What type of ISA cards do you have. MB>> To get anymore ISA slots you might need to get an older board. RA> Running a P233 MMX processor now and can't go faster on this MB ... I RA> don't want to get any older :) AGP is not an option on Pentium systems, but for the prices. I'd look into at least a PII-350. The only problems you would face then would be inflated RAM prices. :( Rgds, Matt mbedynek@pdq.net ICQ#16568532 --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Lunatic Fringe > 713.336.0969 < bbs.coastalwarehouse.com (1:106/2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jean-Michel Dossogne 16-Oct-99 06:54:00 To: All 17-Oct-99 05:29:24 Subj: avm & isdn & warp Hello All. 2 friends have a "little" problem they both have a fritz avm isa isdn passive card but AVM says "no capi drivers for os/2" do you know any workaround, to allow them not to have to use winos2 to communicate? Thanks! Jean-Michel --- GoldED 3.00.Beta2+ # Origin: Doggy's BBS : Arf! Ouaf! (8:7620/1) * Origin: The TALKING HUB * Alexandria, VA * (703) 549-5612 (1:109/11) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jean-Michel Dossogne 16-Oct-99 06:55:10 To: All 17-Oct-99 05:29:24 Subj: multi changer Hello All. have a 18cd changer on arrival (second hand, am not that rich :) now... problem... yups... alphabet only has 26 letters, am already full till "L"... Any workaround for warp, to use it on the same machine? A linux-way maybe? Any good advice most welcome, cos' if I can add these 18 in a fast way, I'll add also my own 4cd, cos' it's an 8x, a bit faster than that incoming 2x :-) thaaaaanks! Jean-Michel --- GoldED 3.00.Beta2+ # Origin: Doggy's BBS, recommand‚ par les ‚leveurs de soft.. (8:7620/1) * Origin: The TALKING HUB * Alexandria, VA * (703) 549-5612 (1:109/11) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 16-Oct-99 19:18:00 To: Ruth Argust 17-Oct-99 07:38:10 Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp In a message dated 10-14-99, Ruth Argust said to Holger Granholm: RA>The advent of the D drive... Funny how many people these days have RA>one gigantic C drive like old times . HG> That is often the "legacy" from pre-installed Win9x. You are never HG> given the opportunity to partition the HD before the installation HG> proceeds. RA>That's one good reason, we opt for buying in pieces and putting RA>together our own :) Yes we do :-) Have a nice day, Holger ___ * MR/2 2.26 * "It compiled? The first screen came up? Ship it!" -- Bill Gates --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2 * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Matt Bedynek 16-Oct-99 20:30:14 To: Louis Aubree 17-Oct-99 07:38:10 Subj: Scsi Too expensive? Hello Louis. Thursday October 07 1999 08:36, Louis Aubree wrote to Charles Gaefke: LA> Well, SCSI HD's are expensive. So, go on with ATAPI/IDE HD. LA> But you can use SCSI for a CD burner and a scanner and ... LA> For this, you don't need an up-to-date SCSI card. No wide bus, just LA> an internal 50 pin plug for the CD burner and an external 50 pin D LA> plug for the scanner. Cables provided with the peripherals! LA> And you don't need to pay the Adaptec premium prices. Look for other LA> brands : Tekram, Iwill, ... LA> L.A. LA> P.S. The last cheap SCSI scanners were sold 12 months ago, here. (I LA> got one!). Now, all the market is for // and USB, except a few LA> expensive models. SCSI is good for server environments. My BBS here, 106/2 uses a simple 6gb IDE drive, but my mail server/hub runs SCSI with the latest stuff. I also use this as a business server. IDE is fine for a BBS, in fact, more than adequate. With the current size of IDE drives and price I'd recommend anyone to go that route. Another way to look at it is that SCSI drives, while more expensive, will outlast IDE. I still have my original 4GB UW SCSI drives that I bought several years ago and they still give current IDE drives a run for thier money in speed. You couldn't pay me any price for one of them. :) I've owned over 10 SCSI drives in my history of computers and not once has one went bad on me. I sold two, 2 gb drives several years ago and they also still run today! I've owned an equal number of IDE drives and two of them went out. One replaced by warranty. So the money spent on replacing an IDE drive after its warranty runs out could add for the cost of a more reliable drive. Rgds, Matt mbedynek@pdq.net ICQ#16568532 --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Lunatic Fringe > 713.336.0969 < bbs.coastalwarehouse.com (1:106/2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Bat Lang 17-Oct-99 00:11:22 To: George Fliger 17-Oct-99 12:41:06 Subj: Logitech Trackman Marble+ -=> Quoting George Fliger to Kris Steenhaut, [15 Oct 99 05:51:16] <=- KS> To bad the SDD drivers aren't stable enough yet. GF> Not to mention how EXTREMELY slow they are. Hey, that's a matched pair! If you're not stable, you can't afford to be too fast. {^; Are we both talking about the latest version:? SDD700B7.ZIP 3855k 10.10.99 * (00) SciTech Display Doctor 7.0 for OS/2, preview release 7. SciTech Display Doctor for OS/2 brings SciTech's proven DOS and Windows device support technologies to the OS/2 Operating System. Good Modeming! /\oo/\ ... FidoNet-Mail: 1:382/92 or E-mail: Bat.Lang@92.ima.infomail.com --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Rendezvous!! 8gigs_20000files_500echoareas 512-303-1324 (1:382/92) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 14-Oct-99 21:01:16 To: Rich Wonneberger 17-Oct-99 16:18:29 Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp Hello Rich, 11 Oct 99 21:50, Rich Wonneberger wrote to Eddy Thilleman: >> RW> If I had 1 Primary partition, and the rest logical partitions in >> RW> an extended partition, I couldnt have more then 4, 2 GIG >> RW> partitions?? >> It's quite simple. RW> My question was a response to a statement that you cant format a RW> partition as FAT if its beyond the 1023rd cyl. With drive translation RW> this would be a 8 gig drive. With the FAT limit of 2 gig per RW> partition (aprox), you could have 4 - 2 gig partitions as FAT. (Azzume RW> 1 pri, 3 extended for simplicity). you mean 3 logical partitions? RW> Why couldnt you create one more 2 gig partition as FAT in the RW> extended?? I use only one FAT partition. I don't have use for more FAT partitions. RW> I did learn a few things about the pointers from your reply btw. :} That can be handy (sometimes) Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... What's the difference between DesqView and Windows? 15 megs. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 14-Oct-99 21:35:06 To: Mike Roark 17-Oct-99 16:18:29 Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp Hello Mike, 12 Oct 99 19:46, Mike Roark wrote to Eddy Thilleman: MR> And it doesn't limit the number of logical partitions because as need MR> arises another partition table can be created or the original MR> enlarged. It isn't limited by the 'boot' sector. DOS/WIN/NT are MR> limited in the total number of partitions A-Z. I think that OS/2 has MR> the same limitation. *nix OTOH, doesn't have this limitation, although MR> the primary limitation does exist. At least on IBM compatible MR> computers. I have no idea what happens on mainframes. I don't know that. I don't have mainframe or mini experience. But I don't think mainframes and mini's have the same limitations, I think mainframes and mini's use other schemes of partitioning (om mainframes the partitioning is not limited to harddisks, mainframes can partition the whole system - something like virtual machines but then for complete operating systems capable running very sophisticated programs instead of only real mode programs which mainframes don't have use for anyway). MR> Best long and short explanation I've seen in a while.. Thank you. :) Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... "...we believe that OS/2 is the OS of the 90's" - Bill Gates, Comdex --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Scott Jones 16-Oct-99 22:26:20 To: Bas Heijermans 17-Oct-99 16:18:29 Subj: Re: Matrox drivers? -=> On 15 Oct 99 10:17:18, Bas Heijermans wrote to Mike Roark <=- MR> It made a world of difference on drive access times. The MR> whole system seemed to work faster. BH> Well I havn't seen that much speed improvement, maybe you just see BH> cache-burst's from you drive instead of real increase of performance? FWIW, I've seen a marked improvement when going from the stock IBM1S506 driver to Dani's driver. Running with a Western Digital AC34000, Shuttle HOT-603 w/AMD 640 (rebadged VIA VP2 chipset), and HPFS386 w/32MB cache, I got the following from Sysbench: IBM1S506.ADD DaniS506.ADD ------------ ------------ 1496.505 File I/O marks 25205.686 File I/O marks 13.78 Disk I/O marks 42.488 Disk I/O marks 99.15 Disk use CPU Load % 1.69 Disk use CPU load % So, at least in some cases, it does help improve performance. As always, YMMV. Scott Jones (sjones@crosswinds.net) ... Nullam satisfactionem non adipisci possum. --- MultiMail/OS/2 v0.31 * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 juge.com 204.89.247.1 (281) 980-9671 (1:106/2000) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Oct-99 23:06:00 To: GEORGE FLIGER 17-Oct-99 19:31:19 Subj: Re: Logitech Trackman Mar Some senseless babbling from George Fliger to Kris Steenhaut on 10-15-99 05:51 about Re: Logitech Trackman Mar... GF> On 11 Oct 99 01:02pm, Kris Steenhaut wrote to Leonard Erickson: KS> To bad the SDD drivers aren't stable enough yet. GF> Not to mention how EXTREMELY slow they are. That's hardly an appropriate statement to make. In fact, they are faster than the vendor-supplied drivers for most cards. I also haven't suffered a single crash from testing them. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... An old Chinese man once said: Damn! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Andy Roberts 17-Oct-99 08:41:03 To: Jean-Michel Dossogne 17-Oct-99 19:31:19 Subj: avm & isdn & warp Jean-Michel Dossogne, 16-Oct-99 06:54:00, Jean-Michel Dossogne wrote to All Subject: avm & isdn & warp JD> 2 friends have a "little" problem they both have a fritz avm isa JD> isdn passive card but AVM says "no capi drivers for os/2" do you JD> know any workaround, to allow them not to have to use winos2 to JD> communicate? --- Cf2_297D.Zip 08-30-99 382,008 cFos/2 2.97d - OS/2 - COM Port Emulator for ISDN CAPI Serial device driver that interfaces with ISDN CAPI 1.1 and 2.0 PDD. Supports multiple COM ports simultaneously, controlled by a powerful AT command set. Includes virtual FOSSIL driver. Supports fast dynamic channel bundling, V.42bis like data compression, BTX, V.120, analogue modem, PPP Internet mode, X.31, time synchronisation, fax command set. Many options! http://www.cfos.de/download/whatsnew.html http://www.cfos.de/download/index_e.html --- Versions for DOS, WinXX and WinNT are available from the same URL or you can FREQ them from me. Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts andy@shentel.net --- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at * Origin: OS/2: penthouse. DOS: poorhouse. Windows: outhouse. (1:109/921.1) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Don Guy 17-Oct-99 10:28:18 To: All 17-Oct-99 22:38:02 Subj: Fun with SCSI Greetings All! At the moment I have Warp Connect running on a machine of mixed breed: it boots to an IDE drive, and stores a bunch of stuff on a SCSI. What I'd like to do, is drop the IDE drive completely and go SCSI all the way. But... OS/2's FDisk won't allow me to partition the SCSI drive. Upon starting FDisk, it claims that "the partition table on Drive x may be corrupt." It will then allow me to delete existing partitions, but none (including the Boot Mgr.) may be created. The drive in question is a Quantum 540LS, the SCSI host adapter is a Trantor T130B... Any suggestions? -Don ... Warp 3 Scotty, and close those damned Windows! --- * Origin: EI/2 [Carleton Place, Ontario, Canada] (1:249/176) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: David Calafrancesco 17-Oct-99 17:31:29 To: Scott Jones 17-Oct-99 22:38:02 Subj: Matrox drivers? Scott Jones wrote in a message to Bas Heijermans: -=> On 15 Oct 99 10:17:18, Bas Heijermans wrote to Mike Roark <=- MR> It made a world of difference on drive access times. The MR> whole system seemed to work faster. BH> Well I havn't seen that much speed improvement, maybe you just see BH> cache-burst's from you drive instead of real increase of performance? SJ> FWIW, I've seen a marked improvement when going from the SJ> stock IBM1S506 driver to Dani's driver. Running with a SJ> Western Digital AC34000, Shuttle HOT-603 w/AMD 640 (rebadged SJ> VIA VP2 chipset), and HPFS386 w/32MB cache, I got the SJ> following from Sysbench: SJ> IBM1S506.ADD DaniS506.ADD SJ> ------------ ------------ SJ> 1496.505 File I/O marks 25205.686 File I/O marks SJ> 13.78 Disk I/O marks 42.488 Disk I/O marks SJ> 99.15 Disk use CPU Load % 1.69 Disk use CPU load SJ> % SJ> So, at least in some cases, it does help improve SJ> performance. As always, YMMV. I don't doubt that it improves performance greatly. What version of OS2 are you running? What version of HPFS386 were you running? Was lazy writes turned on? The problem that I encountered was that the first boot with that driver in place, without HPFS386 running on that system, corrupted my drive to the point where I could no longer even boot with floppies. I will retry the experiment at some point, and see what there is to see a second time around. But am glad to hear it is working for you. Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2 dave@drakkar.org ... They got the library at Alexandria, they're not getting mine! --- * Origin: Druid's Grove BBS - (914)/876-2237 (1:2624/306) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 17-Oct-99 13:24:18 To: Bat Lang 18-Oct-99 00:18:00 Subj: Question -=> Bat Lang wrote to George Fliger <=- BL> SDD700B7.ZIP 3855k 10.10.99 * (00) SciTech Display Doctor 7.0 for OS/2, BL> preview release 7. SciTech Display What does this program do actually? The info does not actually say. Anon, Linda ... The ATM just asked if I wanted to go double or nothing! --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.31 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Dan Egli 17-Oct-99 18:11:09 To: Bas Heijermans 18-Oct-99 06:45:12 Subj: Matrox drivers? -=> Quoting Bas Heijermans to David Calafrancesco <=- BH> David Calafrancesco made noise to Will Honea: BH> Hi David, BH> Here they screwed the desktop, I had to rebuild the ini's, that has BH> never happened before, I'm still recovering from that experiance. I never bothered with Danis. I just went to the Os/2 device driver pak online and downloaded the latest IDE drivers from there. Works great! 8.4GB HDD on an ALI Chipset. ... Soon to be released: 32-bits EdLin for Windows 95! --- * Origin: The Electronic Universe - 801-274-2049 - 24/7! (1:311/50) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Matt Bedynek 18-Oct-99 01:05:08 To: Don Guy 18-Oct-99 06:45:12 Subj: Fun with SCSI Hello Don. Sunday October 17 1999 10:28, Don Guy wrote to All: DG> At the moment I have Warp Connect running on a machine of mixed breed: DG> it boots to an IDE drive, and stores a bunch of stuff on a SCSI. What DG> I'd like to do, is drop the IDE drive completely and go SCSI all the DG> way. DG> But... OS/2's FDisk won't allow me to partition the SCSI drive. Upon DG> starting FDisk, it claims that "the partition table on Drive x may be DG> corrupt." It will then allow me to delete existing partitions, but DG> none (including the Boot Mgr.) may be created. DG> The drive in question is a Quantum 540LS, the SCSI host adapter is a DG> Trantor T130B... Any suggestions? Can't speak for controller brand have zero experience with them. All adaptec here. Do you have any drive translations enabled on the drive? I'm sure someone will come right out and point the problem since someone else here is bound to have that same controller. Rgds, Matt. mbedynek@pdq.net ICQ No. 16568532 --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Lunatic Fringe > 713.336.0969 < bbs.coastalwarehouse.com (1:106/2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stephen Haffly 16-Oct-99 21:36:10 To: Mike Roark 18-Oct-99 06:45:12 Subj: DANIS506 Driver problem On (13 Oct 99) Mike Roark wrote to Stephen Haffly... Hi Mike, I changed the subject to suit the current thread. SH> Western Digital drives compatable with the DANIS506 driver?), or the SH> motherboard. Since I don't have a non-WD drive to test with, I cannot SH> say. SH> I am sure that the DANIS506 driver is very good for some people. SH> Unfortunately, it wasn't for my particular system. Perhaps one day, SH> I'll replace the drive with one of another brand, and the DANIS506 SH> driver will work well for me as well. SH> What brand drive are you using anyway? MR> Western Digital. Both 8.4 and 6.4gig drives. Running on a Tyan MB with MR> a via MVP3 chipset. Going back to the ibm driver is like going back MR> from a Ferrari to a Model T. I will say that I had problems with traps MR> on one of the gamma versions. Gamma 6 or 7 IIRC. But I dropped back MR> and then 8 came out and I've just kept upgrading. 1.09 or something MR> like that. I don't look at the versions anymore. OK. So probably Western Digital drives are not the problem. Mine is a 5.1 Gb. I agree with you on the speed difference. I also will have to look at which version of the DANIS506.ADD I was trying. I'll look for #8 and give that a try again. I guess I should also check FIC's web site for BIOS updates as well. Thanks for the feedback, TTYL, Stephen Team OS/2, Team GEOS OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination. ... Never use software on impulse, only on Warp. --- PPoint 3.00 * Origin: Thunder Mountains Point (1:309/63.4) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stephen Haffly 16-Oct-99 21:41:05 To: David Calafrancesco 18-Oct-99 06:45:12 Subj: DANIS506.ADD drivers On (14 Oct 99) David Calafrancesco wrote to all... Hi David, DC> Is anyone using the DANIS506.ADD driver on an FIC motherboard using a DC> VIA MVP3 chipset with a Matrox G200 AGP based video card? I was only DC> using a 6.4gb drive so there likely wasn't any conflict there. There DC> was either a Kingston KNE40 or KNE120 PCI ethernet card in the system DC> at the time. So far the common platform causing problems is the FIC DC> VIA MVP3 chipset and possibly a Matrox. Not using a Matrox card, but am using an FIC motherboard with MVP3 chipset. What problems are you having? I would like to compare notes with you. TTYL, Stephen Team OS/2, Team GEOS OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination. ... Psalms 25:4 | Show me thy ways, O LORD; teach me thy paths. --- PPoint 3.00 * Origin: Thunder Mountains Point (1:309/63.4) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stephen Haffly 17-Oct-99 21:23:23 To: Daniela Engert 18-Oct-99 06:45:12 Subj: DANIS506 driver question On (13 Oct 99) Daniela Engert wrote to Stephen Haffly... Hi Daniela, SH> Are there any known issues of hardware compatability issues with your DE> driver? I tried it SH> with a new VIA VA503+ motherboard with Cyrix 6x86 PR-166 processor and a DE> Western Digital SH> Caviar 5.1 Gb drive. I wound up with a corrupted disk drive. DE> In fact, I have many reports from people using my driver on this DE> particular board, and none of these has problems. But you are right, DE> the Cyrix may be the reason of your troubles if it doesn't run with a DE> FSB speed of 66MHz (and most likely it doesn't). Reread the section on DE> the PCLK option and the use of /!BM and /MR:. And take my 'words of DE> wisdom' *serious*, these contain the conclusion drawn from many DE> peoples experiences. I'm was not sure what FSB speed was until I got the newest version (1.0.9) today. According to the bootup screen using the /w option, it appears to be at 41 MHz. I used the /PCLK:0 switch to test this version out. I also modified a cable by cutting off the excess length so that it connects with the shortest possible distance between the motherboard connector and the HDD. So far, so good. DE> IIRC, the VA503+ mobo has a VIA 586B southbridge, and this is DE> *exactly* what I have in my machine here. That's what the manual has. DE> Another thought: many WDC drives have very little noise margins in DE> their bus drivers, so they are *very* susceptable to negative effects DE> of bad or too long cables (this includes power), noisy power supplies, DE> ringing (no dangling cables!) or the like. This is why I recommend to DE> stay away from WDC. That could very well be the problem. It would seem to run for a while, then I would start to get beeps, and then it would freeze. On reboot, the drive would be corrupted. I tried this and it happened the same way more than once. I am hoping that between the new version, the shorter connector cable, and the /PCLK:0 switch that things will be stable. Being that this is the case, and since I can't change drives right now, is there any cable that works better than a standard drive connector cable? When I am able to change, what drives do you consider the most reliable currently? Thank you very much for your assistance. TTYL, Stephen Team OS/2, Team GEOS OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination. ... OS/2 Warp: Not just another pretty program loader! --- PPoint 3.00 * Origin: Thunder Mountains Point (1:309/63.4) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 18-Oct-99 01:42:00 To: DON GUY 18-Oct-99 09:06:05 Subj: Fun with SCSI Some senseless babbling from Don Guy to All on 10-17-99 10:28 about Fun with SCSI... DG> Greetings All! DG> At the moment I have Warp Connect running on a machine of mixed breed: DG> it boots to an IDE drive, and stores a bunch of stuff on a SCSI. What DG> I'd like to do, is drop the IDE drive completely and go SCSI all the DG> way. DG> But... OS/2's FDisk won't allow me to partition the SCSI drive. Upon DG> starting FDisk, it claims that "the partition table on Drive x may be DG> corrupt." It will then allow me to delete existing partitions, but DG> none (including the Boot Mgr.) may be created. DG> The drive in question is a Quantum 540LS, the SCSI host adapter is a DG> Trantor T130B... Any suggestions? Well, you have basically two options: 1) Go through the drive with a sector editor, to find where the partitions actually begin and end. Then modify the partition table to reflect those values. 2) Backup all your data, delete all partitions, reboot, then create the new ones. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... Captain, I sense a million minds staring at my cleavage. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jean-Michel Dossogne 17-Oct-99 19:09:03 To: All 18-Oct-99 09:25:28 Subj: chinon cd-rom & warp Hello All. got a small problem trying to "convert" a friend to warp - "holly" mission, not? :) his old pc uses an old-timer scsi controller & cd-rom the drive : cds-535 internal 1x scsi cd-rom, supporting cd-r and all the like the controller : cds-323, 16bit isa long card, with external 37p and internal 50p connectors. all I have are Dos drivers (chinon doesn't make cd's anymore and their site is empty about what they made as drives..) and on the warp connect diskette 1, I have a file called chincds1.flt, with as text in file header : This program cannot be run in a DOS session. CHINCD1 chincds1.DLL CHINCD1 CHINON if I try to install, I don't get the cd-rom found by warp. Any idea/workaround/suggestion? sure that warp connect would be better, on a 486dx33/8mb/250mb than win3.11 and all the problems he brings with him! smile.. crossposting some places... need so baaaaadly an answer :-) thanks for help Jean-Michel http://home.freegates.be/doggys-club --- GoldED 3.00.Beta2+ # Origin: Doggy's BBS : R‚solument anti-panurgisme bŠŠlant! (8:7620/1) # Origin: FamilyNet Intl. Echogate [708] 230-9068 (1:115/887) * Origin: The TALKING HUB * Alexandria, VA * (703) 549-5612 (1:109/11) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Kris Steenhaut 14-Oct-99 10:48:28 To: Daniela Engert 18-Oct-99 11:30:23 Subj: DaniS506.ADD and removable HD's Hello Daniela, I'm taking the liberty to bumb in. I am wondering about this passage in the readme: ++++ Knip.....Begin van het bestand DaniS506.DOC .....++++ Daniela's S506 ADD - Release 1.0.9 ---------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have a removable drive which you want to boot from, this reportedly fails. To enable booting from this unit it has to be treated as a fixed one. This can be done with the option /!RMV applied to the proper unit. It is reported also that some Syquest drives have buggy firmware which doesn't report properly the support of the removable feature set. To announce these drives to OS/2 a removable drives add the /RMV option to the appropriate unit. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ++++ Knip.....Einde van het bestand DaniS506.DOC .....++++ Afaik, since FP6 the Zips are hardcoded in the OS2DASD.DMD as removable harddisks. So, why are you saying this? Sam Detweiler told me it's only possible to boot from a removable if that removable is the only hard disk in the system. Do you suggest otherwise, or I'm I reading it wrong? Anyway, did have a try: - without the /!RMV swith, OS/2 quits after reading the last basedev (os2scsi.dmd) - with the /!RMV switch OS/2 goes a little bit further, initiates the Dani* and the AIC7870.ADD. But then quits in the same way: "the system can't read the HD or floppy drive". Would be glad to have your comments on this. On the other hand, I never had any problem with your driver. But most certainly that's because I always mess up with OS/2, as the experts keep telling me. :-))))) Groeten uit Gent, Regards/2 Kris --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 FMail/2 1.48/g * Origin: From Flanders Fields (2:292/8125.11) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Bat Lang 17-Oct-99 23:48:15 To: Linda Proulx 18-Oct-99 14:15:03 Subj: Question -=> Quoting Linda Proulx to Bat Lang, [17 Oct 99 13:24:37] <=- -=> Bat Lang wrote to George Fliger <=- BL> SDD700B7.ZIP 3855k 10.10.99 * (00) SciTech Display Doctor 7.0 for OS/2, BL> preview release 7. SciTech Display LP> What does this program do actually? The info does not actually say. Beats me! Why not ask Mr. Fliger or the other chap that claimed it was unstable. They are evaluating it, I am not. It's just another huge app that purports to provide driver support to a gaggle of video boards, plus a passle of system diagnostic tools. Good Modeming! /\oo/\ ... FidoNet-Mail: 1:382/92 or E-mail: Bat.Lang@92.ima.infomail.com --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Rendezvous!! 8gigs_20000files_500echoareas 512-303-1324 (1:382/92) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Oct-99 12:24:01 To: Steve Mccrystal 18-Oct-99 15:30:18 Subj: Matrox drivers? Hello Steve, 14 Oct 99 06:38, Steve McCrystal wrote to Bas Heijermans: SM> Second, calling Dani's drivers buggy is more than a bit unfair. I have SM> used them in the past, even the early releases, without significant SM> problems. Problems others have had have been addressed... and fixed. I don't have a problem with Dani's driver, and I regard her driver as a fine piece of work. SM> Could we have a show of hands of those people who actually understand SM> what "ALPHA" and "BETA" mean with respect to software development? I think I understand what "alpha" and "beta" means to software development, because I'm a programmer myself. If I wouldn't be a programmer it would be very possible I wouldn't understand the status of alpha- and beta-software. SM> Again, this sort of thing is why I'm a big supporter of closed betas, SM> but they only work if all the players understand the rules. Sure, that's true. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... It's just a harmless little bunny... --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Cyrill Vakhneyev 13-Oct-99 15:28:20 To: Rich Wonneberger 18-Oct-99 15:30:18 Subj: CPU change Hello Rich! 07 Oct 99 20:32, Rich Wonneberger wrote to All: RW> I have 2 systems I would like to get a bit more speed in. Both are RW> Pentiums, one a 133 mhz, the other a 166 mhz. The boards will only go RW> up to a 200 mhz processor. I was thinking about a AMD K6 and under RW> clocking it, but am not sure which would work right and is still RW> available. AMD K6-ready MoBo must have 2.1V feed for CPU core. Use K6 only if sure... Probably, MoBos may have undocumented jumper's position for high clock rates and strange voltages. RW> Also, would this effect OS/2?? OS/2 - no, wynn - maybe. IMHO. Bye! Cyrill [Team OS/2 CV004] ... Speed Kills - Use Windows! --- * Origin: I feel like Popeye! (2:5053/7.1) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Steve McCrystal 17-Oct-99 08:00:25 To: George Fliger 18-Oct-99 16:08:14 Subj: Logitech Trackman Marble+ ; In a msg of , George Fliger writes to Kris Steenhaut: ; George, KS>> To bad the SDD drivers aren't stable enough yet. GF> Not to mention how EXTREMELY slow they are. I've noticed that, too. On my machine (MGA G-200 AGP), according to Sysbench, they are only about 3.5 times as fast as the Matrox 2.30 drivers. I was hoping for way more. :) -[Steve]- --- GoldED/2 3.0.1/# * Origin: -[Steve's Place]- New Berlin, WI (FidoNet 1:154/731.2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Steve McCrystal 17-Oct-99 08:07:09 To: David Calafrancesco 18-Oct-99 16:08:14 Subj: DANIS506.ADD drivers ; In a msg of , David Calafrancesco writes to all: ; David, DC> Is anyone using the DANIS506.ADD driver on an FIC motherboard DC> using a VIA MVP3 chipset with a Matrox G200 AGP based video card? Not on an FIC, but a DFI K6VB3+ board with the MVP3 chipset and the same video card you have (at least it is probably the same, there are a couple of variations of the G-200). DC> I was only using a 6.4gb drive so there likely wasn't any DC> conflict there. Shouldn't matter a bit. DC> So far the common platform causing problems is the FIC VIA MVP3 DC> chipset and possibly a Matrox. Have you looked for BIOS updates? I know there were a couple for the FIC motherboard I used to run. -[Steve]- --- GoldED/2 3.0.1/# * Origin: -[Steve's Place]- New Berlin, WI (FidoNet 1:154/731.2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Mike Roark 17-Oct-99 11:30:22 To: Bas Heijermans 18-Oct-99 21:15:09 Subj: Matrox drivers? Hello Bas! Friday October 15 1999 10:17, Bas Heijermans wrote to Mike Roark: MR>> 6. Now, I just drop the latest one in if I happen to see it. MR>> It made a world of difference on drive access times. The MR>> whole system seemed to work faster. BH> Well I havn't seen that much speed improvement, maybe you just see BH> cache-burst's from you drive instead of real increase of performance? I verified the improvement here with sysbench. It's been a long time ago, and I don't have the information pages I saved anymore.. Have a good day!! Mike Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 0h 59m 00s 906ms (en). --- * Origin: Finally Warped! (2:2490/8016) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: David Calafrancesco 18-Oct-99 20:22:24 To: Don Guy 19-Oct-99 02:39:20 Subj: Fun with SCSI Don Guy wrote in a message to All: DG> At the moment I have Warp Connect running on a machine of DG> mixed breed: it boots to an IDE drive, and stores a bunch of DG> stuff on a SCSI. What I'd like to do, is drop the IDE drive DG> completely and go SCSI all the way. DG> But... OS/2's FDisk won't allow me to partition the SCSI DG> drive. Upon starting FDisk, it claims that "the partition DG> table on Drive x may be corrupt." It will then allow me to DG> delete existing partitions, but none (including the Boot DG> Mgr.) may be created. DG> The drive in question is a Quantum 540LS, the SCSI host DG> adapter is a Trantor T130B... Any suggestions? The SCSI was formatted originally under a different SCSI host adapter or different OS. Delete all the partitions, shut down, reboot, retry FDISK and see if now it will allow creation of a partition. If not, shut down, remove the IDE drive so that the SCSI is drive 0, then again reboot (from floppies this time) and retry the FDISK. If that again fails, reboot to a dos disk and use a sector editor to edit the MBR to write zeros into the entire first physical sector of the drive. Don't forget to the last 2 bytes need to be wiped as well. Once this is all done, the drive should be partitionable, if not, use a low level format tool for your SCSI drive/host adapter. Also, that Trantor T130B is one of the worst SCSI host adapters going. You would be better off with almost any other brand if you can swing it. The T130B is a polled device, meaning the system has to keep asking the SCSI host if it has information, instead of the current interrupt driven SCSI hosts. Usually the T130B was found on a Pro Audio Spectrum. It was considered barely useable for a CD, and then only if no other CD drive or SCSI host was available. Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2 dave@drakkar.org ... They got the library at Alexandria, they're not getting mine! --- * Origin: Druid's Grove BBS - (914)/876-2237 (1:2624/306) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: David Calafrancesco 18-Oct-99 20:30:12 To: Stephen Haffly 19-Oct-99 02:39:20 Subj: DANIS506.ADD drivers Stephen Haffly wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco: SH> On (14 Oct 99) David Calafrancesco wrote to all... DC> Is anyone using the DANIS506.ADD driver on an FIC motherboard using a DC> VIA MVP3 chipset with a Matrox G200 AGP based video card? I was only DC> using a 6.4gb drive so there likely wasn't any conflict there. There DC> was either a Kingston KNE40 or KNE120 PCI ethernet card in the system DC> at the time. So far the common platform causing problems is the FIC DC> VIA MVP3 chipset and possibly a Matrox. SH> Not using a Matrox card, but am using an FIC motherboard SH> with MVP3 chipset. What problems are you having? I would SH> like to compare notes with you. I reported on my experience a few days ago. If you don't have that message, drop me a note in netmail/email and I will drop you a copy. I don't really want to repost it as this echo is sometimes too busy as it is without seeing messages twice in a week. Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2 dave@drakkar.org ... They got the library at Alexandria, they're not getting mine! --- * Origin: Druid's Grove BBS - (914)/876-2237 (1:2624/306) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: David Calafrancesco 18-Oct-99 20:37:14 To: Steve McCrystal 19-Oct-99 02:39:20 Subj: DANIS506.ADD drivers Steve McCrystal wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco: SM> ; SM> In a msg of , David Calafrancesco SM> writes to all: ; SM> David, DC> Is anyone using the DANIS506.ADD driver on an FIC motherboard DC> using a VIA MVP3 chipset with a Matrox G200 AGP based video card? SM> Not on an FIC, but a DFI K6VB3+ board with the MVP3 chipset SM> and the same video card you have (at least it is probably SM> the same, there are a couple of variations of the G-200). DC> I was only using a 6.4gb drive so there likely wasn't any DC> conflict there. SM> Shouldn't matter a bit. DC> So far the common platform causing problems is the FIC VIA MVP3 DC> chipset and possibly a Matrox. SM> Have you looked for BIOS updates? I know there were a SM> couple for the FIC motherboard I used to run. Nope. The motherboard was less than a month old and had just arrived at my distributor the day it was shipped to me. Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2 dave@drakkar.org ... They got the library at Alexandria, they're not getting mine! --- * Origin: Druid's Grove BBS - (914)/876-2237 (1:2624/306) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: George Fliger 18-Oct-99 05:53:17 To: Bat Lang 19-Oct-99 07:50:22 Subj: Re: Logitech Trackman Marble+ On 17 Oct 99 12:11am, Bat Lang wrote to George Fliger: -=> Quoting George Fliger to Kris Steenhaut, [15 Oct 99 05:51:16] <=- KS> To bad the SDD drivers aren't stable enough yet. GF> Not to mention how EXTREMELY slow they are. BL> Hey, that's a matched pair! If you're not stable, you can't BL> afford to be too fast. {^; BL> Are we both talking about the latest version:? BL> SDD700B7.ZIP 3855k 10.10.99 * (00) SciTech Display Doctor 7.0 BL> for OS/2, preview release 7. SciTech Display Doctor for BL> OS/2 brings SciTech's proven DOS BL> and Windows device support BL> technologies to the OS/2 BL> Operating System. Slow enough that I wasted no time putting my Matrox drivers back in which, btw, were working fine. I was curious to see what the hoopla was all about. George ... Rodney King joins FidoNet!....."Can't we all just get along?" --- Via Silver Xpress V4.4P [Reg] * Origin: Chipper Clipper * Bradenton, Fl * 941-745-5677 * (1:137/2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: George Fliger 18-Oct-99 05:56:08 To: Mike Ruskai 19-Oct-99 07:50:23 Subj: Re: Logitech Trackman Mar On 16 Oct 99 11:06pm, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to GEORGE FLIGER: MR> Some senseless babbling from George Fliger to Kris Steenhaut MR> on 10-15-99 05:51 about Re: Logitech Trackman Mar... GF> On 11 Oct 99 01:02pm, Kris Steenhaut wrote to Leonard Erickson: MR> KS> To bad the SDD drivers aren't stable enough yet. GF> Not to mention how EXTREMELY slow they are. MR> That's hardly an appropriate statement to make. In fact, they MR> are faster than the vendor-supplied drivers for most cards. The operative phrase here is "most cards." MR> I also haven't suffered a single crash from testing them. Maybe you haven't suffered any crashes with them (I didn't either and never claimed I did) but when you have to sit and watch every screen update paint itself down the display, I'd say that's rather slow, wouldn't you? George ... A lover teaches a wife all that her husband has concealed from her. --- Via Silver Xpress V4.4P [Reg] * Origin: Chipper Clipper * Bradenton, Fl * 941-745-5677 * (1:137/2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stephen Haffly 18-Oct-99 11:52:05 To: Daniela Engert 19-Oct-99 07:50:23 Subj: DANIS506 driver question On (13 Oct 99) Daniela Engert wrote to Stephen Haffly... Hi Daniela, DE> Another thought: many WDC drives have very little noise margins in DE> their bus drivers, so they are *very* susceptable to negative effects DE> of bad or too long cables (this includes power), noisy power supplies, DE> ringing (no dangling cables!) or the like. This is why I recommend to DE> stay away from WDC. What does the following output from diskinfo mean (especially the part about misalignmed)? [D:\danis]diskinfo c 0/m: WDC AC35100L Device counters Total operations : 32853 reads, 9432 writes Total sectors : 1701105 reads, 67462 writes Busmaster operations: 32711 reads, 8946 writes, 12444 misaligned Total errors : 0 reads, 0 writes, 0 seeks 0/s: (not present) 1/m: BCD-16X 1997-03-25 1/s: (not present) 2/m: (not present) 2/s: (not present) 3/m: (not present) 3/s: (not present) Also, here is a copy of the dumpide output: PCI BIOS V2.10 detected, 3 PCI buses present. Found embedded VIA 571 on 0/7/1 00: 06 11 71 05 07 00 80 02 06 8A 01 01 00 40 00 00 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 01 E4 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40: 0B E2 09 BA 69 13 C0 00 A8 21 A8 21 00 00 FF FF 50: 03 03 03 E1 00 00 00 00 A8 A8 A8 A8 00 00 00 00 60: 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 70: 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 BusMaster Registers: 00: 08 00 20 00 00 10 F1 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 00 00 VendorID 1106, DeviceID 0571 IOBase E400h (Len 10h) South bridge (1106/0586 rev 47) on 0/7/0 Things do appear to be working fine with the new version. I think the PCLK:0 parameter was the key. Now to figure out what is happening with the speeds. TTYL, Stephen Team OS/2, Team GEOS OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination. ... A truly wise person knows that he knows not. --- PPoint 3.00 * Origin: Thunder Mountains Point (1:309/63.4) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Coridon Henshaw 18-Oct-99 13:22:19 To: Don Guy 19-Oct-99 09:15:14 Subj: Fun with SCSI On Sunday October 17 1999 at 10:28, Don Guy wrote to All: DG> But... OS/2's FDisk won't allow me to partition the SCSI drive. DG> Upon starting FDisk, it claims that "the partition table on Drive x DG> may be corrupt." It will then allow me to delete existing DG> partitions, but none (including the Boot Mgr.) may be created. Use a DOS or Linux-based FDISK to wipe the partition table. Reboot to OS/2 and FDISK should now work. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Life sucks and then you croak. (1:250/820) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 18-Oct-99 17:12:02 To: Bat Lang 19-Oct-99 13:22:11 Subj: Re: Question -=> Bat Lang wrote to Linda Proulx <=- BL> Beats me! Why not ask Mr. Fliger or the other chap that claimed it was BL> unstable. They are evaluating it, I am not. It's just another huge app BL> that purports to provide driver support to a gaggle of video boards, BL> plus a passle of system diagnostic tools. Good Modeming! /\oo/\ So it's OS/2 video drivers. Thanks for the info. Anon, Linda ... Power corrupts. Absolute power is kind of neat. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.31 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jean-Michel Dossogne 18-Oct-99 23:58:06 To: All 19-Oct-99 15:32:07 Subj: chinon cd-rom & warp Hello All. Dimanche 17 Octobre 1999 19:09, Jean-Michel Dossogne wrote to All: JMD> the controller : cds-323, 16bit isa long card, with external 37p and looking everywhere, I also looked in my dusty os/2 2.1 box, took out of the .dsk file what was in it and found this : =========== A93G5861.DSK 1474560 Col 0 21% 23:57 10 October 1993 ------------ | OVERVIEW | ------------ This README describes an OS/2 device driver (CHINCDS1.FLT) for the Chinon 435 and 535 CD-ROM drives. The Chinon CD-ROM drive MUST be attached to a SCSI adapter which is supported under OS/2 with an OS/2 SCSI Adapter Device Driver (.ADD). Currently, there is no support for the Chinon SCSI adapter which is typically bundled with the Chinon drive. Chinon is developing an OS/2 adapter device driver for their SCSI card, but it is not available at this time. =========== so, by that time was the chinon controller not yet supported anyone knows if later he becomed so, before they stopped making pc-stuff? JMD> if I try to install, I don't get the cd-rom found by warp. JMD> Any idea/workaround/suggestion? that one is more than ever actual :) Jean-Michel --- GoldED 3.00.Beta2+ # Origin: Doggy's BBS : Le dernier des 101 Dalmachiens! (8:7620/1) * Origin: The TALKING HUB * Alexandria, VA * (703) 549-5612 (1:109/11) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Roy J. Tellason 19-Oct-99 11:50:09 To: Don Guy 19-Oct-99 19:20:16 Subj: Fun with SCSI following up a message from Matt Bedynek to Don Guy: DG> At the moment I have Warp Connect running on a machine of mixed breed: DG> it boots to an IDE drive, and stores a bunch of stuff on a SCSI. What DG> I'd like to do, is drop the IDE drive completely and go SCSI all the DG> way. DG> But... OS/2's FDisk won't allow me to partition the SCSI drive. Upon DG> starting FDisk, it claims that "the partition table on Drive x may be DG> corrupt." It will then allow me to delete existing partitions, but DG> none (including the Boot Mgr.) may be created. DG> The drive in question is a Quantum 540LS, the SCSI host adapter is a DG> Trantor T130B... Any suggestions? MB> Can't speak for controller brand have zero experience with MB> them. All adaptec here. Do you have any drive translations MB> enabled on the drive? MB> I'm sure someone will come right out and point the problem MB> since someone else here is bound to have that same controller. I have no direct personal experience with that controller here, but the point about translations being enabled is a good one. I have an Adaptec 2842 in this box, and had originally tried setting it up in a 386 box a while back, where I'd done that -- enabled the translation in the controller's BIOS -- and it gave me exactly the same symptom after I'd disabled it. FDISK listed a partition table that looked seriously weird, too, showing multiple small primary partitions preceding each of several extended partitions... What is fdisk showing you for a partition table? That'd clear things up, probably. You *may* end up having to wipe that drive out and start from scratch. --- * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-838-8539 (1:270/615) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Kris Steenhaut 17-Oct-99 11:44:24 To: David Calafrancesco 19-Oct-99 19:20:16 Subj: Logitech Trackman Marble+ Hello David, donderdag 14 oktober 1999 21.17, David Calafrancesco wrote to Kris Steenhaut: DC> Your mouse is a serial mouse on Com4 (2E8, Irq 3), Why do you say that? My mouse is since always a PS/2 , irq 12: Device=E:\OS2\Boot\PMDD.Sys Device=E:\OS2\Boot\PointDD.Sys Device=E:\Os2\Rodent.Sys Protocol=PS IRQ=12 DPI=640 BAUD=19200 Device=E:\OS2\Boot\Mouse.Sys TYPE=RODENT$ Device=D:\Techniek\Quatech\qcom.Sys (1,3F8,4) (2,2F8,3) REM Device=D:\Techniek\Sio\Sio.Sys REM Device=D:\Techniek\Sio\Sio.Sys (3,03E8,5) REM DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\USBCOM.SYS Device=D:\Modem\Faks\FMD.Sys ++++ Knip.....Einde van het bestand config.sys .....++++ DC> and as a result it DC> conflicts with the MGA chip that accesses that IO port. Move the DC> serial port to a different IO address. Do you see any other possibility, besides replacing the Matrox? Groeten uit Gent, Regards/2 Kris --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 FMail/2 1.48/g * Origin: From Flanders Fields (2:292/8125.11) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Daniela Engert 17-Oct-99 18:44:12 To: Bryan Rubingh 19-Oct-99 21:23:14 Subj: 1868 & IDE port Hi Bryan! Thus quoth Bryan Rubingh to Rob Basler: BR> Being a hardware tinkerer, do you know how I can get the specs on BR> the 1868 chip? I've searched the net and not found anything but a BR> white paper on ESS's web site. Same experiences as mine: I was looking for the ESS Maestro 2E specs (built into my notebook). My tip for you: have a look into the Linux source tree. Assuming the 1868 Audiodrive is a WSS compliant ISA device with some additions, getting PCM wave and FM MIDI output is fairly easy and straightforward. BR> I'd like to try BR> writing a device driver for it, although I'm sure it would get put BR> on the back burner for now (at least until Y2k). I did that for a Yamaha OPL3-SA based board more than a year ago. Start with the Tropez sources on DDK and basic operation for your intended chipset should be achievable within a few hours. bye, Dani --- Sqed/32 1.14/r01354 * Origin: Nachtigall/2,Nuernberg/Ger,+49-911-861319,Z19+ISDN (2:2490/2576) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Mike Roark 18-Oct-99 19:54:24 To: Eddy Thilleman 19-Oct-99 21:23:14 Subj: Big Hard Drives & Warp Hello Eddy! Thursday October 14 1999 21:35, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Mike Roark: MR>> limited in the total number of partitions A-Z. I think that OS/2 MR>> has the same limitation. *nix OTOH, doesn't have this limitation, MR>> although the primary limitation does exist. At least on IBM MR>> compatible computers. I have no idea what happens on mainframes. ET> I don't know that. I don't have mainframe or mini experience. But I Just take a look at linux. You can name the partitions anything you want. I mount my os/2 partitions as /os2c, /os2d, etc. my DOS/win partition is /Win98. my linux partitions are /boot, /, /opt, /home, and so on.How many names for partitions can you make? I have no idea. But you aren't limited to c:,d: up to z:. ET> don't think mainframes and mini's have the same limitations, I think ET> mainframes and mini's use other schemes of partitioning (om ET> mainframes ET> the partitioning is not limited to harddisks, mainframes can partition ET> the whole system - something like virtual machines but then for ET> complete operating systems capable running very sophisticated programs ET> instead of only real mode programs which mainframes don't have use for ET> anyway). You can do something similar with linux now. using a program called VMware, you can create virtual computers within one machine. There are also the emulators available like DOSemu. MR>> Best long and short explanation I've seen in a while.. ET> Thank you. :) it was one of those that I saved to the HD. Always good to have when needed.. Have a good day!! Mike Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de This OS/2 system uptime is 1d 9h 23m 58s 843ms (en). --- * Origin: Finally Warped! (2:2490/8016) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Daniela Engert 17-Oct-99 18:45:06 To: David Calafrancesco 19-Oct-99 21:23:14 Subj: DANIS506.ADD drivers Hi David! Thus quoth David Calafrancesco to all : DC> Is anyone using the DANIS506.ADD driver on an FIC motherboard using a VIA MVP3 chipset with a DC> Matrox G200 AGP based video card? Are you talking about the VA503+ ? If so you might contact Piotr Oniszczuk (mentioned in the docs of DANIS506.ADD); he has this board and ran into some data integrity troubles. After some fiddling with the BIOS settings affecting L2 cache operation these problems went away. Another thought. There is no such thing as a VIA MVP3 chipset. Depending on the choice of the mobo manufacturer there are several flavours of MVP3: 1) VT82C597 north bridge plus VT82C586A south bridge 2) VT82C597 north bridge plus VT82C586B south bridge 3) VT82C597 north bridge plus VT82C596 south bridge 4) VT82C597 north bridge plus VT82C596A south bridge 5) VT82C597 north bridge plus VT82C596B south bridge 6) VT82C597 north bridge plus VT82C686A south bridge All of these south bridges have tiny differences in their embedded EIDE controller's registers (undocumented of course), which DANIS506 takes into account. 1) up to 4) can do ATA33 max., 5) and 6) are ATA66 capable. Some hours ago I had a first encounter with a 686A south bridge (my father got a brand new AMD Athlon500 equipped on a FIC SD11 board). UltraDMA mode 4 (66MB/s max.) worked like a charm :-) bye, Dani --- Sqed/32 1.14/r01354 * Origin: Nachtigall/2,Nuernberg/Ger,+49-911-861319,Z19+ISDN (2:2490/2576) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Mike Roark 18-Oct-99 21:05:22 To: Andy Roberts 19-Oct-99 21:23:14 Subj: avm & isdn & warp Hello Andy! Sunday October 17 1999 08:41, Andy Roberts wrote to Jean-Michel Dossogne: JD>> 2 friends have a "little" problem they both have a fritz avm isa JD>> isdn passive card but AVM says "no capi drivers for os/2" do you JD>> know any workaround, to allow them not to have to use winos2 to JD>> communicate? AR> -+- AR> Cf2_297D.Zip 08-30-99 382,008 AR> cFos/2 2.97d - OS/2 - COM Port Emulator for ISDN CAPI Serial AR> device AR> driver that interfaces with ISDN CAPI 1.1 and 2.0 PDD. Supports AR> multiple That won't work. Cfos as the description shows is a comport emulator, and not the capi driver. AVM unfortunately doesn't support Os/2. I really don't know of any that do anymore. I've kept my Teles 16.3 for that reason alone. I would dearly love to have a pci version. Have a good day!! Mike Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de This OS/2 system uptime is 1d 10h 31m 23s 687ms (en). --- * Origin: Finally Warped! (2:2490/8016) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 18-Oct-99 21:18:00 To: Jean-Michel Dossogne 19-Oct-99 21:23:14 Subj: avm & isdn & warp In a message dated 10-16-99, Jean-michel Dossogne said to All: Hello Jean-Michel, JD>but AVM says "no capi drivers for os/2" JD>do you know any workaround, to allow them not to have to use winos2 JD>to communicate? Thanks! Have you tried CapiTel (CTELO333.ZIP) and/or cFos/2 (CF2_296D.ZIP)? They are both for OS/2 Warp. Have a nice day, Holger ___ * MR/2 2.26 * One printed manual is worth a thousand INF files --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2 * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 18-Oct-99 21:18:00 To: Jean-Michel Dossogne 19-Oct-99 21:23:14 Subj: multi changer In a message dated 10-16-99, Jean-michel Dossogne said to All: JD>have a 18cd changer on arrival (second hand, am not that rich :) JD>now... problem... yups... alphabet only has 26 letters, am already JD>full till "L"... Any workaround for warp, to use it on the same JD>machine? A linux-way maybe? Any good advice most welcome, cos' if I JD>can add these 18 in a fast way, I'll add also my own 4cd, cos' it's JD>an 8x, a bit faster than that incoming 2x :-) Hello Jean-Michel, IIRC there has been a utility named Pathfinder with Nakamichi and Mountain CD changers. Its purpose is to have all CD platters under one driveletter with each disk as its own subdirectory. That should be what you need. The above CD changers are SCSI which I suppose the ones you are getting are also. OTOH, I don't suppose that the software should make any difference. JD>(8:7620/1) BTW where is Zone 8 ? Have a nice day, Holger ___ * MR/2 2.26 * Speed Kills - Use Windows! --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2 * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Louis Aubree 21-Apr-99 20:59:00 To: K. Lindholm 19-Oct-99 21:23:14 Subj: Upgrading Hello K. ! I've just read your reply dated 1999-04-12. I'm sorry to have excited you about OS/2 vs Win, and about you vs your wife using the home computer. In my second message about your upgrade, I didn't want to push you so far this way, I just wanted to explain my first message (so I explained how I feeled your needs _before_ you added details). Then, maybe I should also have typed more smileys. Thus, to make things clear: you are the one who knows the best how your computer is used, and it's up to you to fit a general best buy advice to your exact needs. Someone else also advised you to look for a brand new machine. Up to details now. KL>>> Are you saying that new machines are a major hassle/impossible KL>>> to put Warp on? LA>> Somewhat difficult, if you read OS2 and OS2HW carefully, e.g. : LA>> - Many new graphic cards and sound cards are difficult to use LA>> - Warp 4 needs a refresh before installation on a large HD KL> I'll take my chances, I would rather have an OS/2 machine with KL> major hassles involved than put up with a psuedo-operating system KL> from Redmond. Well, as long as I can know, the only well known maker still shipping graphics card with a driver for OS/2 is Matrox. I don't know about the IBM Aptiva series. Don't take chances about the graphics card. Don't take for granted any second hand information about a driver for OS/2. The only question : is a driver for OS/2 from the manufacturer being included in the box ? Don't agree about a standard driver from the graphics chip set maker (I KNOW that's not enough!!) nor about a driver that could be available maybe some day by internet. If you can't find a new machine like that, then spend the less with a low end graphics card (not integrated on the main board), then look for a separate new Matrox or maybe for a used card with the right driver. About installing Warp on a new big HD, as long as you have an other machine alongside, you can overcome the process to update the installation diskettes with the new drivers for large HDs. Maybe it would be tedious enough to stop at a 8GB size, not jumping in unclear lands towards 20 GB. (Still waiting a detailed report of a real user of a 12 to 20 GB HD). LA>>>> *Look now for a scanner. ....... LA>> Look elsewhere in this echo, about refurbished HP scanners _with_ LA>> OS/2 driver, bargain price (at BMT ?) (if you live in the USA). KL> I do, in the middle of it as a matter of fact. I checked it somewhat in this echo. The HP 4C scanners (SCSI) are not bundled with OS/2 driver. The clearest advice said to buy one without the SCSI card, but with an Adaptec card, then buy the ImpOS/2 driver. (Used HP 4C on www.onsale.com, less than $150, were $1000 2 years ago). Other way : Indelible Blue, sells Microtek scanners bundled with ImpOS/2. Then, other drivers seem to be available from CFM (at BMT Micro), or from the SANE project (ported from Linux), but I can't say which scanners they support. I'm not an expert about scanners, and I wouldn't buy one from the US market (I'm living in Europe). But I think it's the right time to buy a SCSI scanner, still available, for a bargain, just now, because the next models are only for parallel or USB ports (or will be expensive). L.A. ... * ATP/OS2 1.42 * Bonjour de Nantes, Bretagne. --- MsgToss 2.0d(beta) 02/21/93 * Origin: Island's BBS * Nantes et sa region * (+33) 0251.397.478 (2:326/2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Louis Aubree 03-May-99 18:33:00 To: All 19-Oct-99 21:23:14 Subj: Dvd Hi! Most of us are still dubious about CD writers under OS/2, but the DVD family is (more or less?) on the way. Just a short, simplified tour, from a magazine I have at hand. Now, many new PCs are sold with DVD readers. A DVD reader can read DVD-ROMs with 4.38 GB/side. Only a few DVD-ROMs titles are available, mainly in the game and encyclopedia arenas, just to prevent spreading on several CD-ROMs. (Already seen on DVD-ROM: CICA Windows, from Walnut Creek). The DVD readers can read the common CD-ROM formats. Most are bundled only with Win95/98 drivers, (maybe NT ones, I don't remember), and at least one also supporting OS/2 (maybe also Win3.11 and DOS, not sure). A DVD reader needs to be backed by a strong PC, at least in IDE/ATAPI versions (SCSI versions are uncommon) or in order to make the most of available titles. In order to look at DVD video movies, a DVD kit including a hardware MPEG-2 decoder is strongly suggested. The software MPEG-2 decoders need very-very fast processors. Maybe on the way: the DVD writers. Well, a bunch of different formats: * DVD-R, only from Pionneer, 3.68 GB/side (soon 4.38GB), readable by almost any CD-ROM reader, available, $20.000 ! * DVD-RAM, from Hitachi and al., about $700, writes 2.4 GB/side, but these rewritable DVDs cannot be read on any other unit. * DVD-RW, not approved yet, rewritable, 4.38 GB/side, readable by most DVD readers * DVD+RW, check at the "+" :), pushed by Philips, Sony and al., as the DVD-RW approval by the DVD Forum is late. Remember that the DVD-ROM format is 4.38 GB/side. The DVD-Videos will be double coated (8.76 GB/side), and every format seems to have the double side option (but readers-writers are only seeing one side at a time). There are already a whole bunch of video variants (not counting zoning the world in 6 commercial parts) and we can foresee the same mess in the upcoming audio variant. All this mess results from the Hollywood plot to kill free use of the DVD media. Divide to rule... Off topic, but remember... Years ago, Panasonic won the VCR battle 'cause movies were available only for VHS. Then, Sony bought CBS entertainment in order not to lose an other battle. But last year, the Dutch Philips sold its entertainment activities (Polygram records) and is now advertising for home CD-Audio duplicators... It seems that the audio side of the entertainment industries is already doomed and that new ways to spread music records are going to replace the money-grabbing companies. (If anyone wants to reply only about Hollywood-entertainment-music records, please do so in a new "Entertainment" thread). L.A. ... * ATP/OS2 1.42 * Bonjour de Nantes, Bretagne. --- MsgToss 2.0d(beta) 02/21/93 * Origin: Island's BBS * Nantes et sa region * (+33) 0251.397.478 (2:326/2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Louis Aubree 03-May-99 20:36:00 To: Jonathan De boyne poll 19-Oct-99 21:23:14 Subj: Hard Drives Hi, Jonathan! On 1999-04-24, you wrote to Preston Smith, about "ATA" and "IDE". JDBP> (...) "ATA", which stands for "AT Attachment", is quite simply JDBP> the proper term (...) JDBP> Many people mistakenly call such drives "IDE". But this was a JDBP> marketing term when these drives were first introduced to the JDBP> PC world. The major innovation of "IDE" drives (an innovation JDBP> in the PC world, that is) was that instead of the drive JDBP> controller chip residing on the motherboard, or an expansion JDBP> card, it resided on the drive unit itself. JDBP> The designation "ATA", however, is better, (...) JDBP> "AT Attachment" describes the fact that the drive uses a JDBP> connector cable that is an extension of the ISA bus used in the JDBP> IBM PC/AT, and the controller chip register interface and JDBP> command set of the IBM PC/AT. The drive "attaches" in the way JDBP> that drives attach in the PC/AT. I have a simpler explanation. The printed circuit board makers use to silkscreen print on their boards the designation of the components and the use of the connectors. Then, the connector for the floppy disk drive is simply designated by "FLOPPY", and when HD drives with IDE became largely used, they simply began to print "IDE", just to say "plug in here the cable to the IDE drive" (not older ST-506 drives!). In the same logic, the connector for the keyboard should be labelled "KEYBOARD" or "KBD", just to say what, not how. The idea about plug labels is "what to plug here", not "what's on the board to deal with the external device". Of course, the IDE drives could have been named "ATAPI drives"... but the AT bus had been there for several years and the new thing was "drive with IDE". JDBP> "Enhanced IDE" is simply yet another marketing term. Indeed, JDBP> when "EIDE" was a new idea, there were several different, JDBP> competing, terms for the same thing invented by the various JDBP> vendors' marketing departments (even though, ironically, the JDBP> manufacturers, in the discussions on various standards bodies JDBP> and in technical literature, were using the correct term JDBP> "ATA"). "EIDE" is simply the one that was advertised the most. Should the "EIDE" have been named "VLBA" or "EISAA" or "PCIA"? 'cause, according to an other message elsewhere, EIDE appeared with the 32 bit buses. I don't remember this. JDBP> Ironically, perhaps, what happened in the 1980s to hard disc JDBP> drives is now happening to floppy disc drives. [...] JDBP> The new LS-120 floppy disc unit, that holds 120MeB, works like JDBP> ATA hard discs do, with a controller chip on the drive unit JDBP> itself, and a cable that carries a subset of the ISA bus JDBP> signals to that chip. So, where is the LS-120 going in the near future designs without ISA? JDBP> It is amusing to note that we don't hear the LS-120 described JDBP> as an "IDE floppy drive", however, even though the situation, JDBP> of "integrating the drive electronics", exactly parallels the JDBP> transformation that hard disc drives underwent. If the board makers add a connector just for an LS-120 drive, (because the standard ATAPI ones could be relabelled as "UDMA"), they will label it "LS-120". JDBP> So much for consistency in Marketingspeak! (-: The same happens in many fields and also in the common language. I agree with you that a careful choice should be made about every new idea, at the very beginning, just before the idea spreads widely. The marketing schmucks often make worse, not only spreading inaccurate designations, but even quite confusing ones (remember "SX" by Intel, "PS/2" and "OS/2" by IBM). Now, the top prize could be won by the modem makers: the names of their models are so confusing that they manage to mistake the retailers. L.A. ... * ATP/OS2 1.42 * Bonjour de Nantes, Bretagne. --- MsgToss 2.0d(beta) 02/21/93 * Origin: Island's BBS * Nantes et sa region * (+33) 0251.397.478 (2:326/2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Louis Aubree 03-May-99 21:47:00 To: Roy J. tellason 19-Oct-99 21:23:14 Subj: Cd-rw For os/2 Hi Roy! On 1999-04-29, you wrote to Rich Wonneberg with (declared) subject still set to WANGTECH SCSI TAPE, in the OS2 echo. It was about tape HW, and you drifted about buying a CD-RW for OS/2, so I move this to the OS2HW echo with new subject. RJT> I was [...] giving some serious thought to buying a cd burner. RJT> the rewritables were up there, [...] up over $300 [...] a RJT> couple of months back. RJT> Then yesterday a guy here got one, a Hewlett-Packard (!), at RJT> Sam's Club for $179...! RJT> I get to install this thing shortly. Also thinking about this. RJT> The biggest problem [...] it comes with a whole mess of software, RJT> all of that software runs under w95/8, or NT. * Up to now, not seen any CD writer sold with OS/2 support. * Not the only big problem : many CD writers are only for IDE/ATAPI, so they are highly relying on very fast processors to get a continuous stream of data to write on the CD. Also, a large cache memory on the CD writer integrated controler helps about this (now up to 4 MB, AFAIK). * Both of these problems can be helped with SCSI, but I'm still looking for full detailed reports by OS/2 users. RJT> With the price getting that attractive, I'm thinking more that RJT> one of those would be the way to go for backup and storage of RJT> fairly static files... Look at an other message about upcoming (??) DVD writers. Louis ... * ATP/OS2 1.42 * Bonjour de Nantes, Bretagne. --- MsgToss 2.0d(beta) 02/21/93 * Origin: Island's BBS * Nantes et sa region * (+33) 0251.397.478 (2:326/2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Louis Aubree 03-May-99 22:08:00 To: Stewart Buckingham 19-Oct-99 21:23:14 Subj: Atx Mobo & ups SB> When I had a non-ATX mobo and my UPS exhausted the system would SB> reboot when power came back on. Now I have an ATX mobo, when SB> power returns the system does not boot until I press the power SB> switch on the front of the computer. This pretty much defeats SB> non-attended operations. Does anyone have a solution to this SB> phenomenum? UPS is for nothing in this. The same happens without a UPS. All of this discussed here around January. Look for a BIOS setting about what the system is asked to do when the power comes again. On a few mobos, it can be a jumper. But many ATX mobos seem to be without such an option and remain stucked when the power comes again, or at least with this option disabled as default. L.A. ... * ATP/OS2 1.42 * Bonjour de Nantes, Bretagne. --- MsgToss 2.0d(beta) 02/21/93 * Origin: Island's BBS * Nantes et sa region * (+33) 0251.397.478 (2:326/2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Louis Aubree 09-May-99 16:50:00 To: Eddy Thilleman 19-Oct-99 21:23:14 Subj: Atx Mobo & ups Hi Eddy, SB>> When I had a non-ATX mobo and my UPS exhausted the system SB>> would reboot when power came back on. Now I have an ATX mobo, SB>> when power returns the system does not boot until I press the SB>> power switch on the front of the computer. ET> My ATX mainboard has a jumper to set it you want. Please, brand, model number, socket/slot type ? Louis ... * ATP/OS2 1.42 * Rambo, tout dans les biscottos, rien dans le ciboulot --- MsgToss 2.0d(beta) 02/21/93 * Origin: Island's BBS * Nantes et sa region * (+33) 0251.397.478 (2:326/2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Preston Smith 12-May-99 16:55:15 To: Don Guy 19-Oct-99 21:23:14 Subj: Drive Problems Hello Don! Tuesday May 11 1999 21:01, Don Guy wrote to Preston Smith: DG>> FWIW, I have a Fujitsu 100-something drive in a print server, and DG>> that drive won't work with *anything* else I have here. DG> Wow, do I ever feel like an idiot. The drive in question is a Samsung; I DG> don't think I've ever owned a Fujitsu drive in my life! :-/ HeHe!! I would never make a mistake like that Preston (prsmith@navnet.net) --- * Origin: Canadian Connection, St Margarets Bay NS (902)826-7774 (1:251/11) 270/101 377/97 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Daniela Engert 13-Oct-99 20:23:25 To: Stephen Haffly 19-Oct-99 21:23:14 Subj: DANIS506 driver question Hi Stephen! Thus quoth Stephen Haffly to Daniela Engert: SH> Hi Daniela, SH> Are there any known issues of hardware compatability issues with your driver? I tried it SH> with a new VIA VA503+ motherboard with Cyrix 6x86 PR-166 processor and a Western Digital SH> Caviar 5.1 Gb drive. I wound up with a corrupted disk drive. SH> Reverting back to the standard IBM1S506 driver (and restoring from backup) made the system SH> stable again at the expense of speed. Since I have read that others have used your driver SH> with VIA chipsets with no problems, could there be an issue with Western Digital drives (or SH> with Cyrix processors)? In fact, I have many reports from people using my driver on this particular board, and none of these has problems. But you are right, the Cyrix may be the reason of your troubles if it doesn't run with a FSB speed of 66MHz (and most likely it doesn't). Reread the section on the PCLK option and the use of /!BM and /MR:. And take my 'words of wisdom' *serious*, these contain the conclusion drawn from many peoples experiences. IIRC, the VA503+ mobo has a VIA 586B southbridge, and this is *exactly* what I have in my machine here. Another thought: many WDC drives have very little noise margins in their bus drivers, so they are *very* susceptable to negative effects of bad or too long cables (this includes power), noisy power supplies, ringing (no dangling cables!) or the like. This is why I recommend to stay away from WDC. bye, Dani --- Sqed/32 1.14/r01354 * Origin: Nachtigall/2,Nuernberg/Ger,+49-911-861319,Z19+ISDN (2:2490/2576) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Bryan Rubingh 19-Oct-99 23:05:00 To: Daniela Engert 19-Oct-99 23:05:00 Subj: 1868 & IDE port Hi Dani, Thanks for the reply & ideas. Actually I'm not so much interested in sound as I am in getting the PnP IDE port to work, because the OS/2 sound drivers work fine. I figured that since the sound & IDE enabler are separate drivers in DOS they can be separate in OS/2 also. Thus, I'm more interested in the specs for the IDE port (specifically the PnP specs) than in the sound specs. Any ideas on that? I realize that there are places to obtain generic PnP specs, but I'm assuming that the 1868 requires something special for the IDE to be enabled. However, I haven't checked out anything on the PnP specs either, and I'm not familiar with the internals of them, so maybe I'm wrong, perhaps generic PnP specs would provide me with enough info to get it working. That would probably be a good place to start. As a side note, I've found that W95 enables the IDE port just fine. So does DOS... as long as I'm starting from a cold boot. If I boot W95, shutdown, three finger salute & boot DOS, the IDE won't work. Apparently there's a bug in the DOS enabler. Bryan Rubingh -=> Quoting Daniela Engert to Bryan Rubingh <=- DE> Hi Bryan! DE> Thus quoth Bryan Rubingh to Rob Basler: BR> Being a hardware tinkerer, do you know how I can get the specs on BR> the 1868 chip? I've searched the net and not found anything but a BR> white paper on ESS's web site. DE> Same experiences as mine: I was looking for the ESS Maestro DE> 2E specs (built into my notebook). DE> My tip for you: have a look into the Linux source tree. Assuming the DE> 1868 Audiodrive is a WSS compliant ISA device with some DE> additions, getting PCM wave and FM MIDI output is fairly DE> easy and straightforward. BR> I'd like to try BR> writing a device driver for it, although I'm sure it would get put BR> on the back burner for now (at least until Y2k). DE> I did that for a Yamaha OPL3-SA based board more than a DE> year ago. Start with the Tropez sources on DDK and basic DE> operation for your intended chipset should be achievable DE> within a few hours. DE> bye, Dani DE> -!- Sqed/32 1.14/r01354 DE> ! Origin: Nachtigall/2,Nuernberg/Ger,+49-911-861319,Z19+ISDN DE> (2:2490/2576) ... Rube Ink - Custom Programming/Computer Solutions ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 19-Oct-99 07:29:00 To: GEORGE FLIGER 20-Oct-99 00:12:22 Subj: Re: Logitech Trackman Mar Some senseless babbling from George Fliger to Mike Ruskai on 10-18-99 05:56 about Re: Logitech Trackman Mar... GF> On 16 Oct 99 11:06pm, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to GEORGE FLIGER: MR> Some senseless babbling from George Fliger to Kris Steenhaut MR> on 10-15-99 05:51 about Re: Logitech Trackman Mar... GF> On 11 Oct 99 01:02pm, Kris Steenhaut wrote to Leonard Erickson: MR> KS> To bad the SDD drivers aren't stable enough yet. GF> Not to mention how EXTREMELY slow they are. MR> That's hardly an appropriate statement to make. In fact, they MR> are faster than the vendor-supplied drivers for most cards. GF> The operative phrase here is "most cards." MR> I also haven't suffered a single crash from testing them. GF> Maybe you haven't suffered any crashes with them (I didn't either and GF> never claimed I did) but when you have to sit and watch every screen GF> update paint itself down the display, I'd say that's rather slow, GF> wouldn't you? I'd say they're slow on your specific chip, not slow in general. That's the point of my message. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... I AM serious. And stop calling me Shirley. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 19-Oct-99 07:30:00 To: BAT LANG 20-Oct-99 00:12:22 Subj: Question Some senseless babbling from Bat Lang to Linda Proulx on 10-17-99 23:48 about Question... -=> Quoting Linda Proulx to Bat Lang, [17 Oct 99 13:24:37] <=- -=> Bat Lang wrote to George Fliger <=- BL> SDD700B7.ZIP 3855k 10.10.99 * (00) SciTech Display Doctor 7.0 for OS/2, BL> preview release 7. SciTech Display LP> What does this program do actually? The info does not actually say. BL> Beats me! Why not ask Mr. Fliger or the other chap that claimed it was BL> unstable. They are evaluating it, I am not. It's just another huge app BL> that purports to provide driver support to a gaggle of video boards, BL> plus a passle of system diagnostic tools. Good Modeming! /\oo/\ SDD is a third-party display driver package, made by SciTech Software. The one package works for all supported chipsets, which right now includes the vast majority of new ones, and a slew of older ones. It's based on a set of core drivers, which are exactly the same across platforms. The long-range utility of this driver package is that since they're updating their core drivers for all platforms (including Windows), OS/2 will never be without drivers for new graphics adapters. IBM has already sign a license agreement with SciTech to put their drivers (a basic version, without all the gizmos that buying them would get you) up for download by OS/2 users, when they are out of beta, and pass IBM's quality tests. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... Any problem can be solved by shooting the right person. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 19-Oct-99 22:43:03 To: Daniela Engert 19-Oct-99 22:43:03 Subj: DANIS506 driver question Daniela Engert wrote to Stephen Haffly on 10-13-1999 DE> Another thought: many WDC drives have very little noise DE> margins in their bus drivers, so they are *very* DE> susceptable to negative effects of bad or too long cables DE> (this includes power), noisy power supplies, ringing (no DE> dangling cables!) or the like. This is why I recommend to DE> stay away from WDC. Dani, I was about to join the chorus and blame your drivers for fouling me up when I (blush) discovered that I had neglected to correct the SOMIR path after the last install of Visual Age C++. Didn't seem to matter until I put FP12 on but it sure did then! As for the noise problem, I still use full size towers which means relatively long parallel cables. I had all sorts of grief with about everything IDE until I picked up a handful of ferrite bars that IBM used on some of their early SCSI cables. Clamped those on the cables and the erratic noise problems went away. Looking at the signals it appears that the termination of the IDC-type ribbon cables is not quite what the standard 130 ohm terminations match (it's actually closer to 120 ohms into a CMOS gate, anyway). Using the ferrite surpressors cut the overshoot and reflection on the lines to essentially nothing. Just one more trick for your bag if you ever just have to live with narrow noise margins. Your drivers are working great with the older VIA bridges as well as the 503 - and I have yet to see the dead-lock conditions I can induce with IBM1S506.ADD. One question: you stated (in one of the readme's) that you have departed from the DDK model. May one ask in what way and why? Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: George Fliger 19-Oct-99 06:04:10 To: Steve Mccrystal 20-Oct-99 10:17:05 Subj: Re: Logitech Trackman Marble+ On 17 Oct 99 08:00am, Steve McCrystal wrote to George Fliger: SM> ; SM> In a msg of , George Fliger writes to SM> Kris Steenhaut: ; SM> George, KS>> To bad the SDD drivers aren't stable enough yet. GF> Not to mention how EXTREMELY slow they are. SM> I've noticed that, too. SM> On my machine (MGA G-200 AGP), according to Sysbench, they are SM> only about 3.5 times as fast as the Matrox 2.30 drivers. I was SM> hoping for way more. :) Sounds like they're more optimized for AGP-based cards than PCI. :) I had the same issue with IBM's GRADD drivers, too. George ... Don't bill me, Bill Gates! --- Via Silver Xpress V4.4P [Reg] * Origin: Chipper Clipper * Bradenton, Fl * 941-745-5677 * (1:137/2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stephen Haffly 19-Oct-99 08:09:12 To: David Calafrancesco 20-Oct-99 10:17:05 Subj: DANIS506.ADD drivers On (18 Oct 99) David Calafrancesco wrote to Stephen Haffly... Hi David, SH> Not using a Matrox card, but am using an FIC motherboard SH> with MVP3 chipset. What problems are you having? I would SH> like to compare notes with you. DC> I reported on my experience a few days ago. If you don't have that DC> message, drop me a note in netmail/email and I will drop you a copy. I DC> don't really want to repost it as this echo is sometimes too busy as DC> it is without seeing messages twice in a week. No need to. I searched the message base, and found the thread. Anyway, to keep this brief, when I tried DANIS506.ADD the first time, it was unstable. Using the new version (1.0.9), and using the /PCLK:0 switch, it is performing wonderfully. Without the switch, the driver was assuming that the motherboard was using a 33 MHz speed. When I used the switch, I found out that it is actually set for 41 MHZ, which definitely made for an unstable setup. Adding the switch allowed the driver to select the proper speed at which to operate. If you try the driver again, try using this switch and see if it makes the difference for you as well. TTYL, Stephen Team OS/2, Team GEOS OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination. ... OS/2 Warp: Not just another pretty program loader! --- PPoint 3.00 * Origin: Thunder Mountains Point (1:309/63.4) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Bat Lang 19-Oct-99 23:51:10 To: George Fliger 20-Oct-99 13:25:14 Subj: Logitech Trackman Marble+ -=> Quoting George Fliger to Bat Lang, [18 Oct 99 05:53:34] <=- KS> To bad the SDD drivers aren't stable enough yet. GF> Not to mention how EXTREMELY slow they are. BL> Hey, that's a matched pair! If you're not stable, you can't BL> afford to be too fast. {^; BL> Are we both talking about the latest version:? BL> SDD700B7.ZIP 3855k 10.10.99 * (00) SciTech Display Doctor 7.0 GF> Slow enough that I wasted no time putting my Matrox drivers back in GF> which, btw, were working fine. I was curious to see what the hoopla GF> was all about. My MGA driver is also working just fine, thanks. I believe the biggest news with this pkg may be the large number of supported boards. For some, I suspect that being able to make use of an existing board =might= be attractive enough to go that route, rather than $pend for another. That list of boards includes (their claim, not mine): . 3DLabs Permedia, Permedia 2, Permedia 2V . Alliance ProMotion 6422, ProMotion AT24, ProMotion AT25 . Alliance ProMotion AT3D . ATI Mach64 GX, Mach64 CX, Mach64 CT, Mach64 ET, Mach64 VT, 3D Rage . ATI Mach64 VTB, 3D Rage II, 3D Rage II+, Mach64 VT4, 3D Rage IIC . ATI 3D Rage Pro, 3D Rage LT Pro, Rage Mobility, Rage XL, Rage XC . ATI Rage 128 . Chips & Technologies 65550, 65554, 65555, 68554, 68555, 69000 . Cirrus Logic CL-GD5434, CL-GD5440, CL-GD5436, CL-GD5446 . Cirrus Logic Laguna 5462, Laguna 5464, Laguna 5465 . Cyrix Media GX, Media GXi, Media GXm . InteGraphics IGA1680, IGA1682, IGA1683, CyberPro 2000 . InteGraphics CyberPro 2010 . Intel i740 . Macronix 86250, 86251 . Matrox MGA Millennium, MGA Millennium II, MGA Mystique . Matrox MGA Mystique 220, MGA G100, MGA G200, MGA-G400 . Philips 9710, 9712 . Rendition Verite V1000, Verite V2100/V2200 . S3 Vision 864, Vision 964, Vision 868, Vision 968, Trio32, Trio64 . S3 Trio64V+, Trio64UV+, Trio64V2/DX, Aurora64V+, Virge, Virge/DX/GX . S3 Virge/VX, Virge/GX2, Virge/MX, Trio3D, Trio3D2x, Savage3D . S3 Savage4 . Sigma Designs RealMagic 64 GX . SiS 6202, 6205, 6215, 5597/5598, 6326, 5595/530 . Tseng Labs ET6000, ET6100 Which is old news for you, since you already tried it. But for others, there it is. Good Modeming! /\oo/\ ... FidoNet-Mail: 1:382/92 or E-mail: Bat.Lang@92.ima.infomail.com --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Rendezvous!! 8gigs_20000files_500echoareas 512-303-1324 (1:382/92) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Bas Heijermans 19-Oct-99 08:21:05 To: Scott Jones 20-Oct-99 15:14:08 Subj: Re: Matrox drivers? Scott Jones made noise to Bas Heijermans: Hi Scott, MR> It made a world of difference on drive access times. The MR> whole system seemed to work faster. BH> Well I havn't seen that much speed improvement, maybe you just see BH> cache-burst's from you drive instead of real increase of performance? SJ> FWIW, I've seen a marked improvement when going from the SJ> stock IBM1S506 driver to Dani's driver. Running with a SJ> Western Digital AC34000, Shuttle HOT-603 w/AMD 640 (rebadged SJ> VIA VP2 chipset), and HPFS386 w/32MB cache, I got the SJ> following from Sysbench: SJ> IBM1S506.ADD DaniS506.ADD SJ> ------------ ------------ SJ> 1496.505 File I/O marks 25205.686 File I/O marks SJ> 13.78 Disk I/O marks 42.488 Disk I/O marks SJ> 99.15 Disk use CPU Load % 1.69 Disk use CPU load SJ> % SJ> So, at least in some cases, it does help improve SJ> performance. As always, YMMV. Well could be, but I have absolutly no clue what these numbers are that you present here, but you can be sure of one thing, if you do this type of testing you should reduce your HPFS cache to a minimum size in order to test the driver in question. Warp3SMP, Bas Heijermans. -=Team OS/2=- -=Computer.Repairs@VT4.Net=- --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: The OS/2 BBS ++32-11-342745 - V34/V120 (2:292/180) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Bas Heijermans 19-Oct-99 08:33:01 To: David Calafrancesco 20-Oct-99 15:14:08 Subj: DANIS506.ADD drivers David Calafrancesco made noise to all: Hi David, DC> Is anyone using the DANIS506.ADD driver on an FIC DC> motherboard using a VIA MVP3 chipset with a Matrox G200 AGP DC> based video card? I was only using a 6.4gb drive so there DC> likely wasn't any conflict there. There was either a DC> Kingston KNE40 or KNE120 PCI ethernet card in the system at DC> the time. So far the common platform causing problems is the DC> FIC VIA MVP3 chipset and possibly a Matrox. I use the same chipset/videocard and the Dani drivers has messed up my system, when I went back to the normal IBM drivers and rebuilding the ini's the system would run stable again. The motherboard here is an AOpen AX59Pro. Warp3SMP, Bas Heijermans. -=Team OS/2=- -=Computer.Repairs@VT4.Net=- --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: The OS/2 BBS ++32-11-342745 - V34/V120 (2:292/180) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Bas Heijermans 19-Oct-99 08:41:10 To: Dan Egli 20-Oct-99 15:14:08 Subj: Matrox drivers? Dan Egli made noise to Bas Heijermans: Hi Dan, BH> Here they screwed the desktop, I had to rebuild the ini's, that has BH> never happened before, I'm still recovering from that experiance. DE> I never bothered with Danis. I just went to the Os/2 device DE> driver pak online and downloaded the latest IDE drivers from DE> there. Works great! 8.4GB HDD on an ALI Chipset. Same here. Warp3SMP, Bas Heijermans. -=Team OS/2=- -=Computer.Repairs@VT4.Net=- --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: The OS/2 BBS ++32-11-342745 - V34/V120 (2:292/180) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Steve McCrystal 19-Oct-99 06:32:00 To: Eddy Thilleman 20-Oct-99 16:13:08 Subj: Matrox drivers? ; In a msg of , Eddy Thilleman writes to Steve Mccrystal: ; Eddy, SM>> Could we have a show of hands of those people who actually SM>> understand what "ALPHA" and "BETA" mean with respect to SM>> software development? ET> I think I understand what "alpha" and "beta" means to software ET> development, because I'm a programmer myself. If I wouldn't be a ET> programmer it would be very possible I wouldn't understand the ET> status of alpha- and beta-software. That was a sort of generic question, not pointing fingers at you! OTOH, your understanding is not shared by everyone. :^) -[Steve]- --- GoldED/2 3.0.1/# * Origin: -[Steve's Place]- New Berlin, WI (FidoNet 1:154/731.2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Steve McCrystal 19-Oct-99 21:54:03 To: Linda Proulx 20-Oct-99 16:13:08 Subj: Question ; In a msg of , Linda Proulx writes to Bat Lang: ; Linda, LP> What does this program do actually? The info does not actually LP> say. FWIW, from WarpCast: SciTech Display Doctor for OS/2 Beta 8 SciTech Display Doctor for OS/2 Beta 8 has been released. SciTech Display Doctor for OS/2 brings SciTech's proven DOS and Windows device support technologies to the OS/2 Operating System. Although one of the core features of our DOS and Windows products is the support for the VESA VBE/Core standard, the OS/2 version has nothing at all to do with VESA services. Rather SciTech Display Doctor for OS/2 incorporates the new SciTech Nucleus, Graphics Architecture device driver technology to bring SciTech's device support to the OS/2 platform. SciTech Nucleus is a binary portable, OS neutral, device driver architecture. As binary portable drivers, SciTech can fully develop and test the core device drivers in the DOS and Windows environments, while being able to target any Intel x86 based OS as the runtime environment (such as OS/2). This essentially allows the OS/2 product to utilise the same SciTech binary device drivers as the DOS and Windows versions of the product, improving the quality and performance of the drivers for all supported operating systems. You can download a copy of the beta from ftp.scitechsoft.com. -[Steve]- --- GoldED/2 3.0.1/# * Origin: -[Steve's Place]- New Berlin, WI (FidoNet 1:154/731.2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Scott Jones 18-Oct-99 13:15:22 To: David Calafrancesco 20-Oct-99 18:42:10 Subj: Re: Matrox drivers? -=> On 17 Oct 99 17:31:58, David Calafrancesco wrote to Scott Jones <=- SJ> So, at least in some cases, it does help improve SJ> performance. As always, YMMV. DC> I don't doubt that it improves performance greatly. What version of OS2 DC> are you running? What version of HPFS386 were you running? Was lazy DC> writes turned on? Warp v4 FP12, bldlevel shows HPFS386 to be v53.40.4, lazy writes are on, DaniS506.ADD v1.0.8 (and to forestall comments from others, ACL's are disabled, and yes, I have a license for HPFS386). DC> The problem that I encountered was that the first boot with that driver DC> in place, without HPFS386 running on that system, corrupted my drive to DC> the point where I could no longer even boot with floppies. I will retry DC> the experiment at some point, and see what there is to see a second DC> time around. But am glad to hear it is working for you. Unfortunately, I'm of no help, since I've had no problems with it since the first beta I tried. All I can suggest is the usual, i.e., stepping through the docs and following Dani's suggestions. Scott Jones (sjones@crosswinds.net) ... A man planning for the future? He buys 2 cases of beer instead of 1. --- MultiMail/OS/2 v0.31 * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 juge.com 204.89.247.1 (281) 980-9671 (1:106/2000) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Daniela Engert 18-Oct-99 18:10:10 To: Jean-Michel Dossogne 20-Oct-99 21:25:24 Subj: avm & isdn & warp Hi Jean-Michel! Thus quoth Jean-Michel Dossogne to All : JD> 2 friends have a "little" problem they both have a fritz avm isa JD> isdn passive card but AVM says "no capi drivers for os/2" I'm working on an OS/2 CAPI for the Fritz! (ISA classic, ISA PnP, and PCI flavours), but due to time constraints progress is neglectable at present... bye, Dani --- Sqed/32 1.14/r01354 * Origin: Nachtigall/2,Nuernberg/Ger,+49-911-861319,Z19+ISDN (2:2490/2576) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Mike Roark 19-Oct-99 15:42:25 To: Stephen Haffly 20-Oct-99 21:25:24 Subj: DANIS506 Driver problem Hello Stephen! Saturday October 16 1999 21:36, Stephen Haffly wrote to Mike Roark: MR>> IIRC. But I dropped back and then 8 came out and I've just kept MR>> upgrading. 1.09 or something like that. I don't look at the MR>> versions anymore. SH> OK. So probably Western Digital drives are not the problem. Mine is SH> a 5.1 Gb. I agree with you on the speed difference. I also will have SH> to look at which version of the DANIS506.ADD I was trying. I'll look SH> for #8 and give that a try again. Go to Hobbes, and get the latest one. 1.0.9. and there is a site that she mentions in her docs that has some settings that are supposed to help also. SH> I guess I should also check FIC's web site for BIOS updates as well. Never hurts. It seems like the motherboard builders keep trying to fix things that we mortal folks know nothing about.. ;-) Have a good day!! Mike Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de This OS/2 system uptime is 2d 5h 04m 53s 562ms (en). --- * Origin: Finally Warped! (2:2490/8016) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Don Guy 20-Oct-99 17:51:24 To: Matt Bedynek 21-Oct-99 06:34:22 Subj: Fun with SCSI Greetings Matt! A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from Matt Bedynek to Don Guy was intercepted... MB> Do you have any drive translations enabled on the drive? None that I'm aware of. Any idea how I would go about finding out? -Don ... "Bother," said Pooh, as he deleted his source code. --- * Origin: EI/2 [Carleton Place, Ontario, Canada] (1:249/176) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Don Guy 20-Oct-99 17:54:12 To: MIKE RUSKAI 21-Oct-99 06:34:22 Subj: Fun with SCSI Greetings MIKE! A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from MIKE RUSKAI to DON GUY was intercepted... MR> 1) Go through the drive with a sector editor, to find where the MR> partitions actually begin and end. Then modify the partition table MR> to reflect those values. I could probably pull that off with Norton's DiskEdit, but what I was trying to accomplish was not only some repartitioning, but install the Boot Manager as well. MR> 2) Backup all your data, delete all partitions, reboot, then create MR> the new ones. Tried that, with a /little/ progress, but not much. OS/2's FDisk no longer complains that the partition table might be bad, but it still will not allow me to create partitions. :-( -Don ... Network management is like trying to herd cats... --- * Origin: EI/2 [Carleton Place, Ontario, Canada] (1:249/176) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: George Fliger 20-Oct-99 05:37:19 To: Mike Ruskai 21-Oct-99 06:53:07 Subj: Re: Logitech Trackman Mar On 19 Oct 99 07:29am, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to GEORGE FLIGER: MR> Some senseless babbling from George Fliger to Mike Ruskai MR> on 10-18-99 05:56 about Re: Logitech Trackman Mar... GF> On 16 Oct 99 11:06pm, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to GEORGE FLIGER: MR> MR> Some senseless babbling from George Fliger to Kris Steenhaut MR> on 10-15-99 05:51 about Re: Logitech Trackman Mar... MR> GF> On 11 Oct 99 01:02pm, Kris Steenhaut wrote to Leonard Erickson: MR> KS> To bad the SDD drivers aren't stable enough yet. MR> GF> Not to mention how EXTREMELY slow they are. MR> MR> That's hardly an appropriate statement to make. In fact, they MR> are faster than the vendor-supplied drivers for most cards. GF> The operative phrase here is "most cards." MR> MR> I also haven't suffered a single crash from testing them. GF> Maybe you haven't suffered any crashes with them (I didn't either and GF> never claimed I did) but when you have to sit and watch every screen GF> update paint itself down the display, I'd say that's rather slow, GF> wouldn't you? MR> I'd say they're slow on your specific chip, not slow in MR> general. That's the point of my message. And also, part of my point. Do you think we should turn this issue over to Kris so he can partake of his, "these drivers suck all over the world with everybody" campaign? :) George ... Cut my pizza in six slices, please; I can't eat eight. --- Via Silver Xpress V4.4P [Reg] * Origin: Chipper Clipper * Bradenton, Fl * 941-745-5677 * (1:137/2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 21-Oct-99 00:28:27 To: Steve McCrystal 21-Oct-99 09:08:03 Subj: Re: Question -=> Steve McCrystal wrote to Linda Proulx <=- SM> SciTech Display Doctor for OS/2 Beta 8 SM> quality and performance of the drivers for all supported operating SM> systems. Which means that it's video device drivers? Linda ... Power corrupts. Absolute power is kind of neat. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.31 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ruth Argust 21-Oct-99 03:03:28 To: Matt Bedynek 21-Oct-99 09:25:14 Subj: CPU change Hi Matt. Matt Bedynek wrote in a message to Ruth Argust: I hadn't answered since I didn't have the answers until now :) RA> We just ordered a new HD so when it gets here, we are going to verify RA> for certain how many ISA slots we need. At that point, if 3 will RA> handle it, I might be in business. MB> What type of ISA cards do you have. 3 cards, one for the SB, one for the SCSI (cd rom) and the STB 3 com. MB> AGP is not an option on Pentium systems, but for the prices. I'd MB> look into at least a PII-350. The only problems you would face MB> then would be inflated RAM prices. :( Yes, it will probably come down after Christmas and the backup in production is caught up. Meanwhile at least I have little upgrades here and there. *ruth* --- * Origin: The Great White South (1:2404/201) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Cyrill Vakhneyev 21-Oct-99 16:54:24 To: Stephen Haffly 21-Oct-99 16:46:01 Subj: DANIS506 Driver problem Hello Stephen! 19 Oct 99 15:42, Mike Roark wrote to Stephen Haffly: MR> Go to Hobbes, and get the latest one. 1.0.9. and there is a site that MR> she mentions in her docs that has some settings that are supposed to MR> help also. Latest is 1.0.11. On hobbes ;) Bye! Cyrill [Team OS/2 CV004] ... To whom the gods destroy, they first teach Windows... --- * Origin: I feel like Popeye! (2:5053/7.1) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 21-Oct-99 11:24:00 To: GEORGE FLIGER 21-Oct-99 16:46:01 Subj: Re: Logitech Trackman Mar Some senseless babbling from George Fliger to Mike Ruskai on 10-20-99 05:37 about Re: Logitech Trackman Mar... GF> On 19 Oct 99 07:29am, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to GEORGE FLIGER: MR> Some senseless babbling from George Fliger to Mike Ruskai MR> on 10-18-99 05:56 about Re: Logitech Trackman Mar... GF> On 16 Oct 99 11:06pm, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to GEORGE FLIGER: MR> MR> Some senseless babbling from George Fliger to Kris Steenhaut MR> on 10-15-99 05:51 about Re: Logitech Trackman Mar... MR> GF> On 11 Oct 99 01:02pm, Kris Steenhaut wrote to Leonard Erickson: MR> KS> To bad the SDD drivers aren't stable enough yet. MR> GF> Not to mention how EXTREMELY slow they are. MR> MR> That's hardly an appropriate statement to make. In fact, they MR> are faster than the vendor-supplied drivers for most cards. GF> The operative phrase here is "most cards." MR> MR> I also haven't suffered a single crash from testing them. GF> Maybe you haven't suffered any crashes with them (I didn't either and GF> never claimed I did) but when you have to sit and watch every screen GF> update paint itself down the display, I'd say that's rather slow, GF> wouldn't you? MR> I'd say they're slow on your specific chip, not slow in MR> general. That's the point of my message. GF> And also, part of my point. Do you think we should turn this issue GF> over to Kris so he can partake of his, "these drivers suck all over the GF> world with everybody" campaign? :) Only if he promises to break a few laws of physics, too. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... I used to have a life, but I liked mail-reading so much better. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Scott Jones 21-Oct-99 02:33:15 To: Bas Heijermans 21-Oct-99 16:46:01 Subj: Re: Matrox drivers? -=> On 19 Oct 99 08:21:10, Bas Heijermans wrote to Scott Jones <=- SJ> IBM1S506.ADD DaniS506.ADD SJ> ------------ ------------ SJ> 1496.505 File I/O marks 25205.686 File I/O marks SJ> 13.78 Disk I/O marks 42.488 Disk I/O marks SJ> 99.15 Disk use CPU Load % 1.69 Disk use CPU load SJ> % SJ> So, at least in some cases, it does help improve SJ> performance. As always, YMMV. BH> Well could be, but I have absolutly no clue what these numbers are that Simply put, file I/O improved almost 1700%, disk I/O almost 300%, and CPU usage dropped dramatically. BH> you present here, but you can be sure of one thing, if you do this type BH> of testing you should reduce your HPFS cache to a minimum size in order BH> to test the driver in question. Done. Dropped the HPFS386 cache to 256KB, and here are the results: IBM1S506.ADD DaniS506.ADD ------------ ------------ 1951.359 File I/O marks 2529.451 File I/O marks 31.340 Disk I/O-marks 43.517 Disk I/O-marks 91.070 Disk use CPU Load % 3.160 Disk use CPU Load % Disk performance has still improved, albeit less so than with a larger cache. There is, as before, a large decrease in CPU usage. Scott Jones (sjones@crosswinds.net) ... "42? 7 and a half million years and all you can come up with is 42?!" --- MultiMail/OS/2 v0.31 * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 juge.com 204.89.247.1 (281) 980-9671 (1:106/2000) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Daniela Engert 19-Oct-99 18:52:23 To: Stephen Haffly 21-Oct-99 21:51:25 Subj: DANIS506 driver question Hi Stephen! Thus quoth Stephen Haffly to Daniela Engert: SH> I'm was not sure what FSB speed was until I got the newest version SH> (1.0.9) today. According to the bootup screen using the /w option, SH> it appears to be at 41 MHz. This is not unlikely with a Cyrix. Some models have a 75MHz or 83Mhz FSB speed which translates on some boards into 37.5MHz or 41.5MHz PCI bus clock. If this is the case, setting the regular 33MHz based timing values into the EIDE controller registers leads to heavy overclocking of the EIDE channel. Most disks (with the regular exception of IBM drives) just barf or exhibit data distortions. SH> I used the /PCLK:0 switch to test this version out. I also SH> modified a cable by cutting off the excess length so that it SH> connects with the shortest possible distance between the SH> motherboard connector and the HDD. So far, so good. Godd idea! DE>> Another thought: many WDC drives have very little noise margins in SH> That could very well be the problem. It would seem to run for a SH> while, then I would start to get beeps, and then it would freeze. Ah! Beeps do indicate communication errors on the EIDE channel. Some time ago I built this feature into the driver for debugging purposes but as it turned out to be a good indicator of data at risk! SH> On reboot, the drive would be corrupted. Of course. Most likely, vital data structures just didn't get written to disk. SH> I tried this and it happened the same way more than once. I am SH> hoping that between the new version, the shorter connector cable, SH> and the /PCLK:0 switch that things will be stable. SH> Being that this is the case, and since I can't change drives right SH> now, is there any cable that works better than a standard drive SH> connector cable? When I am able to change, what drives do you SH> consider the most reliable currently? There *is* a better cable available, and I recommend it to everyone running disks at high speed: the so called 80-wire cable (a prerequisite for ATA66 operation). Basically it is a regular cable with 40pin connectors, but in between each of the regular wires is an additional ground wire which improves signal quality considerably. My hardware recommendation: taking into account the 1000+ reports I got in the past few months I can see a clear pattern: Apart from programming errors (my fault) there were *no* trouble reports from people using - either Intel chipsets (one exception: a particular line of PIIX3's) - or IBM disk drives Either one seems to prevent data errors. I've got several IBM drives and never experienced any data corruption. They tolerate a considerable amount of noise and heavy overclocking. bye, Dani --- Sqed/32 1.14/r01354 * Origin: Nachtigall/2,Nuernberg/Ger,+49-911-861319,Z19+ISDN (2:2490/2576) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Gregory Urban 21-Oct-99 03:05:00 To: Jean-michel Dossogne 22-Oct-99 00:35:18 Subj: chinon cd-rom & warp Greetings Jean-Michel, JD> the drive : cds-535 internal 1x scsi cd-rom, supporting cd-r and all My first OS/2 system had the CDS-435 external drive... JD> the like the controller : cds-323, 16bit isa long card, with external JD> 37p and internal 50p connectors.all I have are Dos drivers (chinon Had this card too....it didn't work under OS/2, no way at all. I bought an Adaptec AHA-1542 SCSI controller which was supported by Warp. I also had to buy a different cable as the 32 pin cable connection to the Chinon card was proprietary. The connector on the CD-ROM drive was standard. Of course you won't have this problem since it is an internal drive and you already are using an internal 50 pin connector... JD> if I try to install, I don't get the cd-rom found by warp. JD> Any idea/workaround/suggestion? Get a different SCSI controller that is OS/2 compatible...check the list of supported hardware in the Warp setup program. JD> sure that warp connect would be better, on a 486dx33/8mb/250mb than JD> win3.11 and all the problems he brings with him! Most definitely. The system I was using at the time was a 486/66 DX2 with 16mb RAM and a 230mb HDD. Later, Greg ___ Blue Wave/OS2 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower-telnet://bbs.airpower.dynip.com 610-259-2198 (1:273/408) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jean-Michel Dossogne 21-Oct-99 09:22:07 To: Andy Roberts 22-Oct-99 00:35:18 Subj: avm & isdn & warp Hello Andy. Dimanche 17 Octobre 1999 08:41, Andy Roberts wrote to Jean-Michel Dossogne: JD>> 2 friends have a "little" problem they both have a fritz avm isa JD>> isdn passive card but AVM says "no capi drivers for os/2" do you JD>> know any workaround, to allow them not to have to use winos2 to JD>> communicate? AR> -+- AR> Cf2_297D.Zip 08-30-99 382,008 ..... AR> Versions for DOS, WinXX and WinNT are available from the same URL or AR> you can FREQ them from me. well, ok, but they need a capi driver to operate. If they don't find a capi, they don't work, do they? Jean-Michel --- GoldED 3.00.Beta2+ # Origin: Doggy's BBS sponsor officiel de Zean-Luc II (via imp“ts!) (8:7620/1) # Origin: FamilyNet Intl. Echogate [708] 230-9068 (1:115/887) * Origin: The TALKING HUB * Alexandria, VA * (703) 549-5612 (1:109/11) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jean-Michel Dossogne 21-Oct-99 09:23:16 To: Holger Granholm 22-Oct-99 00:35:18 Subj: avm & isdn & warp Hello Holger. Lundi 18 Octobre 1999 21:18, Holger Granholm wrote to Jean-Michel Dossogne: JD>> but AVM says "no capi drivers for os/2" JD>> do you know any workaround, to allow them not to have to use winos2 JD>> to communicate? Thanks! HG> Have you tried CapiTel (CTELO333.ZIP) don't know that one, gonna look the web for it HG> and/or cFos/2 (CF2_296D.ZIP)? They are both for OS/2 Warp. well, cfos ask for an installed capi, and that's what the Avm lacks Jean-Michel --- GoldED 3.00.Beta2+ # Origin: Doggy's BBS - SysOp not found! Please notify computer (8:7620/1) # Origin: FamilyNet Intl. Echogate [708] 230-9068 (1:115/887) * Origin: The TALKING HUB * Alexandria, VA * (703) 549-5612 (1:109/11) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jean-Michel Dossogne 21-Oct-99 09:24:10 To: Holger Granholm 22-Oct-99 00:35:18 Subj: multi changer Hello Holger. Lundi 18 Octobre 1999 21:18, Holger Granholm wrote to Jean-Michel Dossogne: HG> IIRC there has been a utility named Pathfinder with Nakamichi and HG> Mountain CD changers. Its purpose is to have all CD platters under HG> one driveletter with each disk as its own subdirectory. That should HG> be what you need. well.. been looking for it since I saw your message, but pathfinder on internet = mars mission! I have a nakamichi changer, as it came as OEM, it's software-less.... any idea where I could find that marvel? HG> The above CD changers are SCSI which I suppose the ones you are HG> getting are also. OTOH, I don't suppose that the software should HG> make any difference. I suppose too - more, I hope! JD>> (8:7620/1) HG> BTW where is Zone 8 ? FamilyNet - we have cross-echoes Jean-Michel --- GoldED 3.00.Beta2+ # Origin: Doggy's BBS V34+ Philippeville +32 71 66.62.92 (8:7620/1) # Origin: FamilyNet Intl. Echogate [708] 230-9068 (1:115/887) * Origin: The TALKING HUB * Alexandria, VA * (703) 549-5612 (1:109/11) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jean-Michel Dossogne 21-Oct-99 09:32:20 To: Daniela Engert 22-Oct-99 00:35:18 Subj: avm & isdn & warp Hello Daniela. Lundi 18 Octobre 1999 18:10, Daniela Engert wrote to Jean-Michel Dossogne: JD>> 2 friends have a "little" problem they both have a fritz avm isa JD>> isdn passive card but AVM says "no capi drivers for os/2" DE> I'm working on an OS/2 CAPI for the Fritz! (ISA classic, ISA PnP, and PCI DE> flavours), greaaaaaaaat! I send this message right away to both of them sure this will interest lots of people, Fritz cards have been widely sold and no os/2 support is a real pain. They only have support for their active cards :( DE> but due to time constraints progress is neglectable at present... maybe with some beta-testers this could help, not?.... Jean-Michel --- GoldED 3.00.Beta2+ # Origin: Doggy's BBS, o— mes clebs ne mordent pas les facteurs. (8:7620/1) # Origin: FamilyNet Intl. Echogate [708] 230-9068 (1:115/887) * Origin: The TALKING HUB * Alexandria, VA * (703) 549-5612 (1:109/11) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: George Fliger 21-Oct-99 06:23:29 To: Bat Lang 22-Oct-99 08:23:00 Subj: Re: Logitech Trackman Marble+ On 19 Oct 99 11:51pm, Bat Lang wrote to George Fliger: -=> Quoting George Fliger to Bat Lang, [18 Oct 99 05:53:34] <=- KS> To bad the SDD drivers aren't stable enough yet. GF> Not to mention how EXTREMELY slow they are. BL> Hey, that's a matched pair! If you're not stable, you can't BL> afford to be too fast. {^; BL> Are we both talking about the latest version:? BL> SDD700B7.ZIP 3855k 10.10.99 * (00) SciTech Display Doctor 7.0 GF> Slow enough that I wasted no time putting my Matrox drivers back in GF> which, btw, were working fine. I was curious to see what the hoopla GF> was all about. BL> My MGA driver is also working just fine, thanks. I believe the BL> biggest news with this pkg may be the large number of supported BL> boards. For some, I suspect that being able to make use of an BL> existing board =might= be attractive enough to go that route, BL> rather than $pend for another. That list of boards includes BL> (their claim, not mine): BL> . 3DLabs Permedia, Permedia 2, Permedia 2V BL> . Alliance ProMotion 6422, ProMotion AT24, ProMotion AT25 BL> . Alliance ProMotion AT3D BL> . ATI Mach64 GX, Mach64 CX, Mach64 CT, Mach64 ET, Mach64 VT, BL> 3D Rage . ATI Mach64 VTB, 3D Rage II, 3D Rage II+, Mach64 VT4, BL> 3D Rage IIC . ATI 3D Rage Pro, 3D Rage LT Pro, Rage Mobility, BL> Rage XL, Rage XC . ATI Rage 128 BL> . Chips & Technologies 65550, 65554, 65555, 68554, 68555, 69000 BL> . Cirrus Logic CL-GD5434, CL-GD5440, CL-GD5436, CL-GD5446 BL> . Cirrus Logic Laguna 5462, Laguna 5464, Laguna 5465 BL> . Cyrix Media GX, Media GXi, Media GXm BL> . InteGraphics IGA1680, IGA1682, IGA1683, CyberPro 2000 BL> . InteGraphics CyberPro 2010 BL> . Intel i740 BL> . Macronix 86250, 86251 BL> . Matrox MGA Millennium, MGA Millennium II, MGA Mystique BL> . Matrox MGA Mystique 220, MGA G100, MGA G200, MGA-G400 BL> . Philips 9710, 9712 BL> . Rendition Verite V1000, Verite V2100/V2200 BL> . S3 Vision 864, Vision 964, Vision 868, Vision 968, Trio32, BL> Trio64 . S3 Trio64V+, Trio64UV+, Trio64V2/DX, Aurora64V+, BL> Virge, Virge/DX/GX . S3 Virge/VX, Virge/GX2, Virge/MX, Trio3D, BL> Trio3D2x, Savage3D . S3 Savage4 BL> . Sigma Designs RealMagic 64 GX BL> . SiS 6202, 6205, 6215, 5597/5598, 6326, 5595/530 BL> . Tseng Labs ET6000, ET6100 BL> Which is old news for you, since you already tried it. But for BL> others, there it is. Good Modeming! /\oo/\ And, hopefully, this list will continue to grow at a steady but recognizable rate. George ... Cat Scan: A medical test to detect the presence of furballs. --- Via Silver Xpress V4.4P [Reg] * Origin: Chipper Clipper * Bradenton, Fl * 941-745-5677 * (1:137/2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Matt Bedynek 22-Oct-99 03:08:15 To: Don Guy 22-Oct-99 08:23:00 Subj: Fun with SCSI Hello Don. Wednesday October 20 1999 17:51, Don Guy wrote to Matt Bedynek: MB>> Do you have any drive translations enabled on the drive? DG> None that I'm aware of. Any idea how I would go about finding out? Your controller probaly has some internal setup program. Do you see a screen which says to press a certain key to enter SCSI bios setup? Rgds, Matt. mbedynek@pdq.net ICQ No. 16568532 --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Lunatic Fringe > 713.336.0969 < bbs.coastalwarehouse.com (1:106/2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Matt Bedynek 22-Oct-99 03:09:11 To: Ruth Argust 22-Oct-99 08:23:00 Subj: CPU change Hello Ruth. Thursday October 21 1999 03:03, Ruth Argust wrote to Matt Bedynek: RA> I hadn't answered since I didn't have the answers until now :) No prob. MB>> What type of ISA cards do you have. RA> 3 cards, one for the SB, one for the SCSI (cd rom) and the STB 3 com. I see your delima. :( RA> Yes, it will probably come down after Christmas and the backup in RA> production is caught up. Meanwhile at least I have little upgrades RA> here and there. I'm going to start selling puter parts online. If you need some help or recomendations,.. I'll be glad to help! Rgds, Matt. mbedynek@pdq.net ICQ No. 16568532 --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Lunatic Fringe > 713.336.0969 < bbs.coastalwarehouse.com (1:106/2) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stephen Haffly 20-Oct-99 07:28:19 To: Daniela Engert 22-Oct-99 14:49:17 Subj: DANIS506 driver question Hi Daniela, I'd like to follow up on my earlier message. With the new 1.0.9 driver, and using the PCLK:0 parameter, things are very stable. There is one problem remaining though. The tape backup (Conner 4 Gb) is not detected during bootup. It is detected by the BIOS, but not by the DANIS506.ADD driver. The same drive is detected by the IBM1S506 driver. The drive is an IDE connected 4 Gb compressed/2Gb uncompressed tape drive that uses QIC-3080 Wide tapes. Thank you for your help, TTYL, Stephen Team OS/2, Team GEOS OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination. ... 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at. --- PPoint 3.00 * Origin: Thunder Mountains Point (1:309/63.4) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ruth Argust 22-Oct-99 08:43:05 To: Matt Bedynek 22-Oct-99 16:18:08 Subj: CPU change Hi Matt. Matt Bedynek wrote in a message to Ruth Argust: MB>> What type of ISA cards do you have. RA> 3 cards, one for the SB, one for the SCSI (cd rom) and the STB 3 com. MB> I see your delima. :( RA> Yes, it will probably come down after Christmas and the backup in RA> production is caught up. Meanwhile at least I have little upgrades RA> here and there. MB> I'm going to start selling puter parts online. If you need some MB> help or recomendations,.. I'll be glad to help! Don't forget to give us the URL! You will probably have a lot of visitors. I'll be glad to give you our business, piece by piece :) *ruth* --- * Origin: The Great White South (1:2404/201) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Angelico 19-Oct-99 11:00:01 To: Rob Basler 22-Oct-99 19:48:14 Subj: PC-Card Identification On 12/10/1999, Rob Basler said to John Angelico about PC-Card Identification: Hi Rob and thanks for the reply. RB> Also, there is a newer version of card services, I RB> believe it is available for free from Software Choice. Getting my lan RB> adaptor drivers to work was a little tougher (a Xircom CEM28 28.8 RB> Fax/Lan) and you will most likely need manufacturer's drivers for RB> that. I will look for the newer version. I wish I had a Xircom card - at least they have OS/2 drivers. This thing is an Australian version of something unknown and the"manufacturer" doesn't believe OS/2 exists (immovable object). I may have to sell this to some "lesser being" (eg Win user ) and just go out and get a supported device. RB> RB> The card services appear as a subdirectory of the OS/2 System folder RB> on my Thinkpad. There is a monitoring program in that directory that RB> will tell you about the card services running on your system. OK thannks. Will look shortly (I do all this BBS and email stuff on my desktop). John Angelico Co-convener, OS/2 SIG Melbourne PC User Group also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X Psalms 18:2 |...God, my strength, in whom I will trust; --- * Origin: Melbourne PC User Group BBS (3:633/309) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Daniela Engert 20-Oct-99 19:46:29 To: Stephen Haffly 22-Oct-99 23:30:00 Subj: DANIS506 driver question Hi Stephen! Thus quoth Stephen Haffly to Daniela Engert: SH> What does the following output from diskinfo mean (especially the SH> part about misalignmed)? Current EIDE busmasters (implemented according to the SFF-8038i spec) have limitations in their hardware. They cannot transfer data blocks of odd byte lengths, and the memory location must not be an odd byte address. If any of these two prerequisites is missed, the transfer can't be done by the busmaster hardware but has to be carried out by the CPU using PIO mode; this is called a 'misaligned' transfer. During regular operation this is a non-issue as the OS/2 kernel and the file systems guarantee properly aligned data transfers. But during boot or accessing the OS2*.INI files this guarantee no longer holds. SH> Also, here is a copy of the dumpide output: Looks fine. The UltraDMA cycle timing is slowed down by one PCI clock to account for the 41MHz PCI bus, just as it should be. SH> Things do appear to be working fine with the new version. I think SH> the PCLK:0 parameter was the key. Now to figure out what is SH> happening with the speeds. Fine. You should experience a 'smoother' feeling of your system. bye, Dani --- Sqed/32 1.14/r01354 * Origin: Nachtigall/2,Nuernberg/Ger,+49-911-861319,Z19+ISDN (2:2490/2576) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Daniela Engert 20-Oct-99 20:00:17 To: Kris Steenhaut 22-Oct-99 23:30:00 Subj: DaniS506.ADD and removable HD's Hi Kris! Thus quoth Kris Steenhaut to Daniela Engert: KS> Daniela's S506 ADD - Release 1.0.9 KS> If you have a removable drive which you want to boot from, KS> this reportedly fails. To enable booting from this unit it has KS> to be treated as a fixed one. This can be done with the option KS> /!RMV applied to the proper unit. It is reported also that KS> some Syquest drives have buggy firmware which doesn't report KS> properly the support of the removable feature set. To announce KS> these drives to OS/2 a removable drives add the /RMV option to KS> the appropriate unit. KS> Afaik, since FP6 the Zips are hardcoded in the OS2DASD.DMD as KS> removable harddisks. So, why are you saying this? I know much too little about OS2DASD to comment on this particular item. In fact, I have no experiences of my own on booting from removable media other than floppies. The cited paragraph applies to removable ATA devices (like the Syquests) only, ATAPI devices (like the ZIP) are a different kind and aren't controlled by the S506 base driver but the ATAPI filter driver. The term 'reportedly' means that this statement comes from another user (Allan Holm), on who's request these options were introduced. He has two different firmware revision of his Syquest removable disk one of which has a bug: it doesn't identify itself as removable. This buggy version enabled him to boot from the Syquest, the fixed one failed. So, I added the /RMV /!RMV options pair to bump this particular bit into the proper direction. Users of removable ATA disks have the choice now to select between a *removable* disk or a *bootable* disk. bye, Dani --- Sqed/32 1.14/r01354 * Origin: Nachtigall/2,Nuernberg/Ger,+49-911-861319,Z19+ISDN (2:2490/2576) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +============================================================================+