comp.os.os2.beta (Usenet) Saturday, 23-Oct-1999 to Friday, 29-Oct-1999 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: franks@owt.com 22-Oct-99 09:23:19 To: All 23-Oct-99 04:42:00 Subj: Re: Java Adobe viewer trouble From: "frank schmittroth" On 22 Oct 1999 02:00:05 -0700, Will Honea wrote: >On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:07:18, Charles Meins wrote: > >> I've got the Java Adobe viewer installed, but I can't get it to run >> correctly. When I run AcrobatViewer.cmd either on a commandline or >> through a program object, an OS/2 window comes up that says: > >Yout're one up on me. When I run jre -cp install.zip install to >install it, it runs a bit then hangs. Using the verbose option I see >it hang just after "[Loaded sun/awt/os2/CharToByteWingDings.class from >E:\JAVA11\lib\rt.jar]". FP 12, latest 1.1.8 updates appiled. Any >ideas? > >Will Honea -- I used the command line: java -classpath d:\java11\lib\classes.zip;install.zip;. install "java -classpath" is the JDK version of "jre -cp (I think). Note that I included the classes.zip file in the classpath along with install.zip as well as the current directory, the trailing ";." . Frank. --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: http://extra.newsguy.com (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: lifedata@xxvol.com 22-Oct-99 16:54:15 To: All 23-Oct-99 04:42:01 Subj: Re: Java Adobe viewer trouble From: lifedata@xxvol.com hunters@thunder.indstate.edu said: >> slow in my life. Paging from one page to the next in a large >> document takes 20 or 30 seconds. >Yeah, that's about right... Waaaaay faster than I expected!! :) >Seriously tho, it's really only about 2/3 as slow as the native 3.01 viewer for >OS/2. In general, Acrobat has to be the slowest to process program I have ever >used on any platform, and I include the C-64 in that statement. ;) In Adobe 3.0 I found that it would turn pages in a second or less. Thie Viewer thing really does take 20 or so seconds to page. Or, I should say, DID. I'll wait for the GA. Jim L Remove XX from address to Email Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws. --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Brian@webone.com.au 23-Oct-99 13:57:23 To: All 23-Oct-99 04:42:02 Subj: Re: Java Adobe viewer trouble From: Brian@webone.com.au In <19991022.11111101@G35PC1.llan>, Chuck Meins writes: >On 10-21-99, 10:36:50 PM, "frank schmittroth" wrote=20= > >> >> java.exe -classpath d:\Java11\lib\classes.zip;acrobat.jar >> com/adobe/acrobat/Viewer >> >> from the directory with the acrobat.jar file. Works here with Java=20= > >1.1.8. >> The path to the classes.zip file needs to be changed for your system.= > > >Thanks, Frank. This works fine. Yes Thanks Frank worked for me too. Have included a bit of code That some might find usefull, naturally change the directory to suite Brian AR.CMD /* REXX */ call RxFuncAdd 'SysSleep', 'RexxUtil', 'SysLoadFunc' dir = 'E:\xfree86\adobeacrobatviewer' newdir = directory(dir) 'java.exe -classpath c:\Java11\lib\classes.zip;acrobat.jar', /* */ 'com/adobe/acrobat/Viewer' --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: Web One Internet http://webone.com.au (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: godfrey@isl.stanford.edu 23-Oct-99 07:15:17 To: All 23-Oct-99 05:17:27 Subj: Re: Java Adobe viewer trouble From: godfrey@isl.stanford.edu In , whonea@codenet.net (Will Honea) writes: >On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:07:18, Charles Meins wrote: > >> I've got the Java Adobe viewer installed, but I can't get it to run >> correctly. When I run AcrobatViewer.cmd either on a commandline or >> through a program object, an OS/2 window comes up that says: > >Yout're one up on me. When I run jre -cp install.zip install to >install it, it runs a bit then hangs. Using the verbose option I see >it hang just after "[Loaded sun/awt/os2/CharToByteWingDings.class from >E:\JAVA11\lib\rt.jar]". FP 12, latest 1.1.8 updates appiled. Any >ideas? > Same hang happens for me. WSEB and JDK 1.18+updates. Actually, if -nojit is not set it gets a few lines farther. Suggestions? --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: ISL, Stanford University (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: godfrey@isl.stanford.edu 23-Oct-99 07:53:19 To: All 23-Oct-99 05:17:27 Subj: Re: Java Adobe viewer trouble From: godfrey@isl.stanford.edu In <7urnan$o1h$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU>, godfrey@isl.stanford.edu writes: >In , whonea@codenet.net (Will Honea) writes: >>On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:07:18, Charles Meins wrote: >> >>> I've got the Java Adobe viewer installed, but I can't get it to run >>> correctly. When I run AcrobatViewer.cmd either on a commandline or >>> through a program object, an OS/2 window comes up that says: >> >>Yout're one up on me. When I run jre -cp install.zip install to >>install it, it runs a bit then hangs. Using the verbose option I see >>it hang just after "[Loaded sun/awt/os2/CharToByteWingDings.class from >>E:\JAVA11\lib\rt.jar]". FP 12, latest 1.1.8 updates appiled. Any >>ideas? >> >Same hang happens for me. WSEB and JDK 1.18+updates. Actually, if >-nojit is not set it gets a few lines farther. Suggestions? > If I may answer my own post: I tried a few things (in the command window that I had resized by mode 80,36). Then I tried junning jre -cp install.zip install in a fresh window -- install ran with no problem, and it is up and working including print. --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: ISL, Stanford University (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: pajupa@sicom.fi 22-Oct-99 07:15:12 To: All 23-Oct-99 14:34:07 Subj: Re: crash in netscape/stack space From: pajupa@sicom.fi (Pasi Partanen) Ariel wrote: >I just got a crash in netscape, the error was insufficient stack space to >execute the exception in M6432.DLL. Any ideas what it is? Reduce amount of colours to 64K (16-bit). Not anything higher. -- -=- E-Mail pajupa@sicom.fi Homepage http://www.sicom.fi/~pajupa -=- --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: Hackers' Lair BBS (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu 23-Oct-99 20:11:14 To: All 23-Oct-99 19:54:20 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu Mark Schlegel writes: > The behavior seems to be that if you repeatedly enter some pages then > go one level down then return to the main page, eventually when you > come to the main page, Netscape will start filling the swapper.dat > like crazy. swapper.dat is not managed by Netscape, but rather by the operating system, so I don't know why you're blaming Netscape for the behavior you've observed. --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: IFA B111 (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca 23-Oct-99 20:30:01 To: All 23-Oct-99 19:54:20 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley) On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:11:28, tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu wrote: > Mark Schlegel writes: > > > The behavior seems to be that if you repeatedly enter some pages then > > go one level down then return to the main page, eventually when you > > come to the main page, Netscape will start filling the swapper.dat > > like crazy. > > swapper.dat is not managed by Netscape, but rather by the operating > system, so I don't know why you're blaming Netscape for the behavior > you've observed. > Probably because an application is able to allocate memory and never release it. In order to provide for this "ever increasing" virtual memory requirement, the OS will allocate more and more space for the SWAPPER.DAT file. This behaviour (the growth of SWAPPER.DAT) is common when applications have bugs that allocate memory but never release it back to the operating system. Lorne Sunley --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: MBnet Networking Inc. (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com 23-Oct-99 16:34:17 To: All 23-Oct-99 19:54:20 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: "Mike Ruskai" On 23 Oct 1999 20:11:28 GMT, tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu wrote: >Mark Schlegel writes: > >> The behavior seems to be that if you repeatedly enter some pages then >> go one level down then return to the main page, eventually when you >> come to the main page, Netscape will start filling the swapper.dat >> like crazy. > >swapper.dat is not managed by Netscape, but rather by the operating >system, so I don't know why you're blaming Netscape for the behavior >you've observed. Are you being intentionally daft? What he's saying is that Netscape is allocating memory, and not freeing it, which is exactly what a program that wants to fill up swapper.dat must do. I very much doubt that he's not spent the minimal effort required to make sure that Netscape is what's leaking memory. - Mike Remove 'spambegone' to send e-mail. --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: TLF (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: arnews@dsgml.com 23-Oct-99 20:04:15 To: All 23-Oct-99 21:23:15 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: Ariel On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Mark Schlegel wrote: > Netscape will start filling the swapper.dat like crazy. [snip] > swapping took my swapper.dat from 40Meg to 141 Meg in just a few > minutes and I was able to kill netscape by Control+esc and then > selecting Close. > The only thing unusual with my netscape is that I have Auto loading of > images turned off I want to confirm that this happens - I notice it only when I have images turned off, and the page loads a very large number of images - a lot of them the same image, perhaps some of them in the cache already. This happens also with 4.0x versions, so it's not something new. Turning on images solves the problem, which is what I did - and then forgot about it till reminded here. Also, it not a memory leak exactly - netscape will release the memory eventually. The problem is that it allocates the memory in the first place - which it should not IMO. -Ariel --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: Shore.Net/Eco Software, Inc; (info@shore.net) (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: arnews@dsgml.com 23-Oct-99 20:07:02 To: All 23-Oct-99 21:23:15 Subj: Re: crash in netscape/stack space From: Ariel On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Pasi Partanen wrote: > Ariel wrote: > >I just got a crash in netscape, the error was insufficient stack space to > >execute the exception in M6432.DLL. Any ideas what it is? > Reduce amount of colours to 64K (16-bit). Not anything higher. That's what I have it at. Any other ideas maybe? -Ariel --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: Shore.Net/Eco Software, Inc; (info@shore.net) (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu 24-Oct-99 08:57:08 To: All 24-Oct-99 10:19:13 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu Mike Ruskai writes: >> Mark Schlegel writes: >>> The behavior seems to be that if you repeatedly enter some pages then >>> go one level down then return to the main page, eventually when you >>> come to the main page, Netscape will start filling the swapper.dat >>> like crazy. >> swapper.dat is not managed by Netscape, but rather by the operating >> system, so I don't know why you're blaming Netscape for the behavior >> you've observed. > Are you being intentionally daft? I see you're starting right off with an insult. Why should I respond to you any further? --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: IFA B111 (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu 24-Oct-99 08:56:01 To: All 24-Oct-99 10:19:13 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu Lorne Sunley writes: >> Mark Schlegel writes: >>> The behavior seems to be that if you repeatedly enter some pages then >>> go one level down then return to the main page, eventually when you >>> come to the main page, Netscape will start filling the swapper.dat >>> like crazy. >> swapper.dat is not managed by Netscape, but rather by the operating >> system, so I don't know why you're blaming Netscape for the behavior >> you've observed. > Probably because an application is able to allocate memory > and never release it. I've not observed that behavior with 4.61, and I frequently enter pages, then go one level down, then return to the main page. My swap file is still at its original size. > In order to provide for this "ever increasing" virtual memory > requirement, the OS will allocate more and more space > for the SWAPPER.DAT file. It wouldn't be the first time the operating system didn't shrink swapper.dat. > This behaviour (the growth of SWAPPER.DAT) is common > when applications have bugs that allocate memory but never > release it back to the operating system. It should be easy to test whether Netscape is leaking memory. Simply exit Netscape. --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: IFA B111 (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: jhimmel@i-2000.com 24-Oct-99 15:10:27 To: All 24-Oct-99 14:29:21 Subj: JAVA Adobe Viewer - MAJOR bug? From: jhimmel@i-2000.com (James Himmelman) I installed the viewer, and it launched fine (but SLOW!). I then created a program object on my desktop, pointing the the AcrobatViewer.CMD file, named the icon "Adobe Acrobat Viewer for JAVA", and associated *.PDF in the associations. I then double-clicked on a PDF file hoping for it to launch the viewer with that PDF loaded, but it DELETED the PDF file from my hard drive. This is no lie - I tried it twice. Anyone else want to try it? Be sure to make a copy of the PDF file before you try it! [[[ James Himmelman - jhimmel@i-2000.com ]]] --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Origin Line 1 Goes Here (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: thannymeister@spambegone.yahoo.com 24-Oct-99 11:57:08 To: All 24-Oct-99 14:29:21 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: "Mike Ruskai" On 24 Oct 1999 08:57:17 GMT, tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu wrote: >Mike Ruskai writes: > >>> Mark Schlegel writes: > >>>> The behavior seems to be that if you repeatedly enter some pages then >>>> go one level down then return to the main page, eventually when you >>>> come to the main page, Netscape will start filling the swapper.dat >>>> like crazy. > >>> swapper.dat is not managed by Netscape, but rather by the operating >>> system, so I don't know why you're blaming Netscape for the behavior >>> you've observed. > >> Are you being intentionally daft? > >I see you're starting right off with an insult. Why should I respond >to you any further? Because you seem to enjoy wasting your time, by posting irrelevant information in response to a properly-formed question. If you were really miffed at what you made into a personal insult, you'd have not responded at all. - Mike Remove 'spambegone' to send e-mail. --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: TLF (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: moschleg@erols.com 24-Oct-99 13:26:28 To: tholenAntiSpam@ifa.hawaii.edu, th.. 24-Oct-99 16:44:17 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug To: tholenAntiSpam@ifa.hawaii.edu, tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu From: Mark Schlegel tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu wrote: > Mark Schlegel writes: > > > The behavior seems to be that if you repeatedly enter some pages then > > go one level down then return to the main page, eventually when you > > come to the main page, Netscape will start filling the swapper.dat > > like crazy. > > swapper.dat is not managed by Netscape, but rather by the operating > system, so I don't know why you're blaming Netscape for the behavior > you've observed. Hmm, could it be because the second I closed Netscape the swapper.dat shrunk down from 141 Meg to ~60 Meg in just a few minutes? That seems to point to NS being the culprit, right? Mark --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Origin Line 1 Goes Here (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: moschleg@erols.com 24-Oct-99 13:29:05 To: All 24-Oct-99 16:44:17 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: Mark Schlegel tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu wrote: > Lorne Sunley writes: > > It should be easy to test whether Netscape is leaking memory. Simply > exit Netscape. Yes, I did exit netscape, and the swapper.dat immediately shrank. I've been able to replicate this multiple times on the computing.net/os2/wwwboard site Mark --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Origin Line 1 Goes Here (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net 24-Oct-99 20:21:07 To: All 24-Oct-99 19:49:27 Subj: Re: JAVA Adobe Viewer - MAJOR bug? From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett) On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 15:10:55, jhimmel@i-2000.com (James Himmelman) wrote: > I installed the viewer, and it launched fine (but SLOW!). I then > created a program object on my desktop, pointing the the > AcrobatViewer.CMD file, named the icon "Adobe Acrobat Viewer for > JAVA", and associated *.PDF in the associations. I then double-clicked > on a PDF file hoping for it to launch the viewer with that PDF loaded, > but it DELETED the PDF file from my hard drive. This is no lie - I > tried it twice. Anyone else want to try it? Be sure to make a copy of > the PDF file before you try it! > > > > [[[ James Himmelman - jhimmel@i-2000.com ]]] I tried dropping a PDF file on the CMD icon. The reader started (very slow, as you say), and asked for an input file. I figured that dropping on the icon wasn't going to work (that is what I was testing), so I just closed the program. Then, I did notice that the PDF was gone. I thought that, perhaps, I had missed the icon, but a quick search could not find the PDF. Slightly different approach, but pretty much the same results. ****************************** From the PC of Doug Bissett doug.bissett at attglobal.net The " at " must be changed to "@" ****************************** --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & Ne (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: pajupa@sicom.fi 24-Oct-99 18:42:06 To: All 25-Oct-99 16:44:04 Subj: Re: crash in netscape/stack space From: pajupa@sicom.fi (Pasi Partanen) Ariel wrote: >> >I just got a crash in netscape, the error was insufficient stack space to >> >execute the exception in M6432.DLL. Any ideas what it is? > >> Reduce amount of colours to 64K (16-bit). Not anything higher. > >That's what I have it at. Any other ideas maybe? When all else fails, try one or two of these :) Warning: ROTFL Laugh uncontrollably for about 3 minutes & then suddenly stop and look suspiciously at everyone who looks at you. When your computer is turned off, complain to the monitor on duty that you can't get the damn thing to work. After he/she's turned it on, wait 5 minutes,turn it off again, & repeat the process for a good half hour. Type frantically, often stopping to look at the person next to you evily. Before anyone else is in the lab, connect each computer to a different screen than the one it's set up with. Work normally for a while. Suddenly look amazingly startled by something on the screen and crawl underneath the desk. Make a small ritual sacrifice to the computer before you turn it on. Bring a chainsaw, but don't use it. If anyone asks why you have it, say "Just in case..." mysteriously. Enter the lab, undress, and start staring at other people as if they're crazy while typing. Light candles in a pentagram around your terminal before starting. Ask around for a spare disk. Offer $2. Keep asking until someone agrees. Then, pull a disk out of your fly and say, "Oops, I forgot." Every time you press Return and there is processing time required, pray "Ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease," and scream "YES!" when it finishes. Start making out with the person at the terminal next to you (It helps if you know them, but this is also a great way to make new friends). Put a straw in your mouth and put your hands in your pockets. Type by hitting the keys with the straw. Draw a picture of a woman (or man) on a piece of paper, tape it to your monitor. Try to seduce it. Act like it hates you and then complain loudly that women (men) are worthless. Try to stick a Nintendo cartridge into the 3 1/2 disk drive. When it doesn't work, get the supervisor. When you are on an IBM, and when you turn it on, ask loudly where the smiling Apple face is. Print out the complete works of Shakespeare, then when its all done (two days later) say that all you wanted was one line. Sit and stare at the screen, biting your nails noisily. After doing this for a while, spit them out at the feet of the person next to you. Stare at the screen, grind your teeth, stop, look at the person next to you, grinding. Repeat procedure, making sure you never provoke the person enough to let them blow up, as this releases tension, and it is far more effective to let them linger. Come to the lab wearing several layers of socks. Remove shoes and place them of top of the monitor. Remove socks layer by layer and drape them around the monitor. Exclaim sudden haiku about the aesthetic beauty of cotton on plastic. Take the keyboard and sit under the computer. Type up your paper like this. Then go to the lab supervisor and complain about the bad working conditions. Bring some dry ice & make it look like your computer is smoking. Attempt to eat your computer's mouse. Borrow someone else's keyboard by reaching over, saying "Excuse me, mind if I borrow this for a sec?", unplugging the keyboard & taking it. Play Pong for hours on the most powerful computer in the lab. Make a loud noise of hitting the same key over and over again until you see that your neighbor is noticing (You can hit the space bar so your fill isn't affected). Then look at your neighbor's keyboard. Hit his/her delete key several times, erasing an entire word. While you do this, ask: "Does *your* delete key work?" Shake your head, and resume hitting the space bar on your keyboard. Keep doing this until you've deleted about a page of your neighbor's document. Then, suddenly exclaim: "Well, whaddya know? I've been hitting the space bar this whole time. No wonder it wasn't deleting! Ha!" Print out your document and leave. Remove your disk from the drive and hide it. Go to the lab monitor and complain that your computer ate your disk. (For special effects, put some Elmer's Glue on or around the disk drive. Claim that the computer is drooling.) Stare at the person's next to your's screen, look really puzzled, burst out laughing, and say "You did that?" loudly. Keep laughing, grab your stuff and leave, howling as you go. Point at the screen. Chant in a made up language while making elaborate hand gestures for a minute or two. Press return or the mouse, then leap back and yell "COVEEEEERRRRRR!" peek up from under the table, walk back to the computer and say. "Oh, good. It worked this time," and calmly start to type again. See who's online. Send a total stranger a talk request. Talk to them like you've known them all your lives. Hangup before they get a chance to figure out you're a total stranger. Bring an small tape player with a tape of really absurd sound effects. Pretend it's the computer and look really lost. Run into the computer lab, shout "Armageddon is here!!!!!", then calmly sit down and begin to type. Quietly walk into the computer lab with a Black and Decker chainsaw, rev that baby up, and then walk up to the nearest person and say, "Give me that computer or you'll be feeding my pet crocodile for the next week". -- -=- E-Mail pajupa@sicom.fi Homepage http://www.sicom.fi/~pajupa -=- --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: Hackers' Lair BBS (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: aboritz@cybernex.net 25-Oct-99 12:45:06 To: All 25-Oct-99 21:17:18 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: aboritz@cybernex.net (Alan Boritz) In article , "Mike Ruskai" wrote: >On 23 Oct 1999 20:11:28 GMT, tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu wrote: > >>Mark Schlegel writes: >> >>> The behavior seems to be that if you repeatedly enter some pages then >>> go one level down then return to the main page, eventually when you >>> come to the main page, Netscape will start filling the swapper.dat >>> like crazy. >> >>swapper.dat is not managed by Netscape, but rather by the operating >>system, so I don't know why you're blaming Netscape for the behavior >>you've observed. > >Are you being intentionally daft? What he's saying is that Netscape is >allocating memory, and not freeing it, which is exactly what a program >that wants to fill up swapper.dat must do. Mr. Tholen is apparently another OS/2 nazi, so, yes, he's being intentionally daft. >I very much doubt that he's not spent the minimal effort required to make >sure that Netscape is what's leaking memory. Netscape has a memory leak. Many such memory leaks have been documented during different Netscape releases. I've got the same problem here with the level 5s (9/99) release, along with (less frequent) desktop freezing. Don't waste your time following up his trolling, since the inevitable conclusion will be Mr. Tholen turning very abusive and concluding that since his little OS/2 client system works perfectly, you have to be wrong and that you're terribly evil for spreading such vicious lies, etc., etc. --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: Dyslexics UNTIE (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu 26-Oct-99 05:05:19 To: All 26-Oct-99 05:14:20 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) Mark Schlegel writes: >>>>> The behavior seems to be that if you repeatedly enter some pages then >>>>> go one level down then return to the main page, eventually when you >>>>> come to the main page, Netscape will start filling the swapper.dat >>>>> like crazy. >>>> swapper.dat is not managed by Netscape, but rather by the operating >>>> system, so I don't know why you're blaming Netscape for the behavior >>>> you've observed. >>> Hmm, could it be because the second I closed Netscape the swapper.dat >>> shrunk down from 141 Meg to ~60 Meg in just a few minutes? >> It could be. >>> That seems to point to NS being the culprit, right? >> Why didn't you mention that initially? > It's called an oversight, at the time it was obvious to me that netscape > was the culprit for the above reason. Might I suggest that you consider Bennie's hypothesis, namely that it might have to do with Java, rather than Netscape? That could explain why the phenomenon appears to be site dependent. --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: IFA B-111 (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu 26-Oct-99 13:56:19 To: All 26-Oct-99 14:37:12 Subj: Re: OT Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) Tony Wright writes: > here's a classic DT textbook reply, predictably daft, Still behaving like a first class jerk, I see. > Juvenile - agreed. Hope you enjoyed wasting all the time you spent writing. I didn't bother to read it. --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: IFA B-111 (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: horseman@ibm.net 26-Oct-99 01:09:08 To: All 26-Oct-99 14:37:12 Subj: OT Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: Tony Wright Mike to DT> > >>> Are you being intentionally daft? > Tony to DT> > > .......and as you're no doubt about to ably demonstrate further, > > his was obviously a rhetorical question anyway..... > > So in the unlikely event you can remain on topic and actually post > > a competent technical reply in a valid context for once, how does: > > ----snipped----- Perfect! ..... (I wish the lottery was that easy to predict)...so here's a classic DT textbook reply, predictably daft, no attempt to remain on topic, no technical content and thus completely true to character Quod errant demonstrandum : Dave Tholen wrote: > I see you're in the same category. > Obviously not. > Insults will get you nowhere. > Irrelevant. > It's not the first time I've dealt with your insulting behvaior. > How ironic, given that I was engaged in a technical discussion until > Mike and you came along. Naturally, you try to place the onus on me. Pardon us, we didn't realise it was your personal and private oratory platform....... Can't answer for MR but until then I had naively assumed it was a public forum and therefore invited technical corrections as well as contributions by default.... :-( > I have not participated in any other thread on the topic of swapper.dat > and its interaction with Navigator, Tony. Same topic and main thread but different sub-threads...... but if your browser does not have that "threading" capability or you don't have the ability to use it, then I'm sorry for causing you any confusion..... However, you could at least exercise some "social responsibility" by placing an OT prefix on subject line if you had no intention of making any technical statement.... I'm sure the majority seeking genuine technical enlightenment have no wish to be unintentionally distracted by my verbiage let alone your banally repetitive drivel...... > Then why are you responding to me? So you can satisfy some juvenile > need of yours to toss around a barrel of insults? Juvenile - agreed. However, sometimes in a futile attempt to effect "communication" one is often tempted to "pitch" at a level commensurate with the intended recipient. Somewhat selective response on the content though? Appears you can only relate to a few frivolous insults and fail totally to either comprehend or are possibly incapable of elaborating on anything technically orientated.... I genuinely thought for a moment you might have a valid point cleverly disguised under your original "irrelevant" statement but you chose not to seize the opportunity by elaborating... so I obviously over-estimated both your ability and your knowledge again. :-( > I have no intention of trying to have a technical discussion with you. Pity - as one or both of us might have learnt something..... :-( > You obviously can't control that temper of yours. Oh don't flatter yourself! That pre-supposes any post of yours is received with some emotion other than despair when it starts to inevitably deviate from the technical topic..... If there was even some attempt at wit,editorial flair, eloquence or originality in your otherwise insipid responses then some other emotion may indeed be generated even if you couldn't actually promote an "interest" due to a different or original perspective on a technical topic. Just for a fleeting moment it seemed there might have been a hidden "spark" and (just practising my "firelighter" skills for Nov 5 ) with some further encouragement on the topic of the "swapper/cache", a resulting "star-burst" revelation from yourself might just have redeemed some of your "daftness".... Personally there's no "anger" or "uncontrolled rage" required to light your blue touch paper and launch you into LEO..... notwithstanding the fact that most of your retorts are predictably on a par with a damp squid and just about as technically illuminating ... > You are a first class jerk, do you know that, Tony? > Tch tch...not a very imaginative insult(where does that scale relative to a 3rd rate "dafty" I wonder?) - but Mike is right, if your that upset and unable to contribute any technical exchange without getting hopelessly distracted by a few trivial banalities then further attempts to promote a technical discourse are obviously futile. As it therefore appears we're not going to get any technical enlightenment on the original serious question of memory leakage from your direction, we are indeed better off not encouraging you further (until perhaps your next attempted "venture" into "irrelevancy" that is!). In meantime I trust this "digression" and your demonstratable propensity to "seed" non technical arguments into every other discussion haven't "polluted" too many other "sub threads" on this particular topic and original poster does indeed receive far more appropriate and useful technical feedback. -- Rgds Tony W Email: horseman@ibm.net Portsmouth-Hampshire-UK "humanum est errare: To err is human .... and to fail is to be a Project Manager... ...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!" --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: Equi-Tek CompCon (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: nospam@iname.com 25-Oct-99 23:20:08 To: All 26-Oct-99 14:37:12 Subj: Re: modem From: "Ken Kuttner" On 26 Oct 1999 02:36:55 GMT, Richard Schneiderman wrote: >what's the best internal modem for v.90 in os/2? I just purchased an Actiontec v.90 internal PCI "call waiting" fax modem, and it works fine. The call waiting feature is great. And it has voice features too-- if I could find an OS/2 answering machine that supports the Lucent chipset. (Any ideas?) Ken ----------------------------------------- Ken Kuttner To reply replace "nospam" with "knk" ----------------------------------------- --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: Columbia University (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: aboritz@cybernex.net 26-Oct-99 09:48:05 To: All 26-Oct-99 20:25:02 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: aboritz@cybernex.net (Alan Boritz) In article <7v3cr2$53v$1@news.hawaii.edu>, tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) wrote: >Mark Schlegel writes: > >>>>>> The behavior seems to be that if you repeatedly enter some pages then >>>>>> go one level down then return to the main page, eventually when you >>>>>> come to the main page, Netscape will start filling the swapper.dat >>>>>> like crazy. > >>>>> swapper.dat is not managed by Netscape, but rather by the operating >>>>> system, so I don't know why you're blaming Netscape for the behavior >>>>> you've observed. > >>>> Hmm, could it be because the second I closed Netscape the swapper.dat >>>> shrunk down from 141 Meg to ~60 Meg in just a few minutes? > >>> It could be. > >>>> That seems to point to NS being the culprit, right? > >>> Why didn't you mention that initially? > >> It's called an oversight, at the time it was obvious to me that netscape >> was the culprit for the above reason. > >Might I suggest that you consider Bennie's hypothesis, namely that it >might have to do with Java, rather than Netscape? That could explain >why the phenomenon appears to be site dependent. Not likely. I run almost always with Java and Javascript disabled and it continues here, too. --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: Dyslexics UNTIE (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: jcmcgar@net.earthlink 26-Oct-99 22:28:02 To: All 26-Oct-99 21:24:08 Subj: Re: modem From: jcmcgar@net.earthlink (Chuck McGarigle) If you have an init string for that Actiontec modem, I'd like to hear about it. I've had considerable difficulty finding one that works well under OS/2. Thanks Chuck McGarigle ><><><><><><><><>< jcmcgar@net.earthlink (reverse) On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 03:20:17, "Ken Kuttner" wrote: > On 26 Oct 1999 02:36:55 GMT, Richard Schneiderman wrote: > > >what's the best internal modem for v.90 in os/2? > > I just purchased an Actiontec v.90 internal PCI "call waiting" fax modem, and > it works fine. The call waiting feature is great. And it has voice features > too-- if I could find an OS/2 answering machine that supports the Lucent > chipset. (Any ideas?) > > Ken > ----------------------------------------- > Ken Kuttner > To reply replace "nospam" with "knk" > ----------------------------------------- > > --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: EarthLink Network, Inc. (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: schlegel@crocker.com 26-Oct-99 18:21:19 To: All 26-Oct-99 21:24:08 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: "Mark O. Schlegel" Dave Tholen wrote: > > Mark Schlegel writes: > >>> That seems to point to NS being the culprit, right? > > >> Why didn't you mention that initially? > > > It's called an oversight, at the time it was obvious to me that netscape > > was the culprit for the above reason. > > Might I suggest that you consider Bennie's hypothesis, namely that it > might have to do with Java, rather than Netscape? That could explain > why the phenomenon appears to be site dependent. I had Java turned off in the Advanced panel and http://computing.net/os2/wwwboard/wwwboard.html doesn't use java (that's the page where I had the problem occur when I did a Back to the main page) Mark --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab, Lau (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu 27-Oct-99 01:06:20 To: All 28-Oct-99 10:23:10 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) Alan Boritz writes: >> Mark Schlegel writes: >>>>>>> The behavior seems to be that if you repeatedly enter some pages then >>>>>>> go one level down then return to the main page, eventually when you >>>>>>> come to the main page, Netscape will start filling the swapper.dat >>>>>>> like crazy. >>>>>> swapper.dat is not managed by Netscape, but rather by the operating >>>>>> system, so I don't know why you're blaming Netscape for the behavior >>>>>> you've observed. >>>>> Hmm, could it be because the second I closed Netscape the swapper.dat >>>>> shrunk down from 141 Meg to ~60 Meg in just a few minutes? >>>> It could be. >>>>> That seems to point to NS being the culprit, right? >>>> Why didn't you mention that initially? >>> It's called an oversight, at the time it was obvious to me that netscape >>> was the culprit for the above reason. >> Might I suggest that you consider Bennie's hypothesis, namely that it >> might have to do with Java, rather than Netscape? That could explain >> why the phenomenon appears to be site dependent. > Not likely. I run almost always with Java and Javascript disabled and it > continues here, too. Quite a change in tone from your last missive. Glad to see you're contributing information, rather than invective. --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: IFA B-111 (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu 27-Oct-99 01:11:19 To: All 28-Oct-99 10:23:11 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) Mark Schlegel writes: >>>>> That seems to point to NS being the culprit, right? >>>> Why didn't you mention that initially? >>> It's called an oversight, at the time it was obvious to me that netscape >>> was the culprit for the above reason. >> Might I suggest that you consider Bennie's hypothesis, namely that it >> might have to do with Java, rather than Netscape? That could explain >> why the phenomenon appears to be site dependent. > I had Java turned off in the Advanced panel and > http://computing.net/os2/wwwboard/wwwboard.html > doesn't use java (that's the page where I had the problem occur when I did > a Back to the main page) Did you try toggling the load images item, as suggested by somebody else? --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: IFA B-111 (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: wellmet@attglobal.net 26-Oct-99 19:34:04 To: All 28-Oct-99 10:23:13 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: wellmet@attglobal.net (Joe Kovacs) In <7ut4pg$nc1$1@news.hawaii.edu>, tholen@ifa.hawaii.edu writes: >Mark Schlegel writes: > >> The behavior seems to be that if you repeatedly enter some pages then >> go one level down then return to the main page, eventually when you >> come to the main page, Netscape will start filling the swapper.dat >> like crazy. > >swapper.dat is not managed by Netscape, but rather by the operating >system, so I don't know why you're blaming Netscape for the behavior >you've observed. What an odd posting. Hm. It wouldn't be that we're getting close to something, would it. What is the extra memory for? What's done with it? Joe Joe Kovacs Guelph Ontario Canada Joe Kovacs Guelph Ontario Canada --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: Water Utilities Hydraulic Analysis (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu 27-Oct-99 02:32:21 To: All 28-Oct-99 10:23:14 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: tholenantispam@hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) Joe Kovacs writes: >> Mark Schlegel writes: >>> The behavior seems to be that if you repeatedly enter some pages then >>> go one level down then return to the main page, eventually when you >>> come to the main page, Netscape will start filling the swapper.dat >>> like crazy. >> swapper.dat is not managed by Netscape, but rather by the operating >> system, so I don't know why you're blaming Netscape for the behavior >> you've observed. > What an odd posting. Hm. What's odd about it? I've been reading the OS/2 newsgroups since they were created. I've seen numerous reports of swapper.dat not shrinking, with complaints that the latest FixPak (at the time) didn't solve the problem. Meanwhile, I've not observed the problem with Netscape. So, what's allegedly odd about my posting? > It wouldn't be that we're getting close to something, would it. Talk about odd postings! Exactly what are you trying to suggest here? > What is the extra memory for? What's done with it? Could you be more specific? --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: IFA B-111 (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com 27-Oct-99 04:03:25 To: All 28-Oct-99 10:23:14 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" Mark, Here's a few items of note regarding this problem... (1) It doesn't appear to have to do with going back and forth between those pages. Just loading the page http://computing.net/windowsnt/wwwboard/wwwboard.html will cause the problem. (2) Having image-loading turned off is a key factor; turning on the automatic-load-images setting makes the page load just fine. (3) Those pages have large tables (the one on the page I listed above has 532 rows and 4 columns, so that's over 2000 cells), and the table is set up to have equal row heights, so the entire table must be calculated before anything can be displayed. (4) It's not an infinite loop, but it is looping through each of those cells and allocating a "delayed image" construct for the deferred load of the image into each cell, among other things. After a while, this will load into the swapper and slow it down more and more.... taking a VERY long time to complete. (5) This problem happens on the Windows 4.61 as well. Jeffrey S. Kobal IBM Corporation Mark Schlegel wrote: > The behavior seems to be that if you repeatedly enter some pages then > go one level down then return to the main page, eventually when you > come to the main page, Netscape will start filling the swapper.dat > like crazy. This occured to me on pages > http://computing.net/os2/wwwboard/wwwboard.html > and > http://computing.net/unix/wwwboard/wwwboard.html > > This occured when I was reading posts in each page then clicking the > Back button > to return to the menu of post subjects, swapping took my swapper.dat > from > 40Meg to 141 Meg in just a few minutes and I was able to kill netscape > by Control+esc and then selecting Close. There is no popuplog entry > because it's not a trap but some kind of infinite code loop going on. > I have a feeling this happens on pages that lots of single line entries > each of which has an icon on the start of it (like conputing.net has) > > The only thing unusual with my netscape is that I have Auto loading of > images turned off.... [snip] --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Origin Line 1 Goes Here (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: kris@dgraph.com 27-Oct-99 01:20:09 To: All 28-Oct-99 10:23:15 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: Kris Kadela "Jeffrey S. Kobal" wrote: > > Mark, > > Here's a few items of note regarding this problem... > > (1) It doesn't appear to have to do with going back and forth > between those pages. Just loading the page > http://computing.net/windowsnt/wwwboard/wwwboard.html > will cause the problem. > > (2) Having image-loading turned off is a key factor; turning > on the automatic-load-images setting makes the page load > just fine. > > (3) Those pages have large tables (the one on the page I > listed above has 532 rows and 4 columns, so that's over > 2000 cells), and the table is set up to have equal row heights, > so the entire table must be calculated before anything can be > displayed. > > (4) It's not an infinite loop, but it is looping through each of > those cells and allocating a "delayed image" construct for the > deferred load of the image into each cell, among other things. > After a while, this will load into the swapper and slow it down > more and more.... taking a VERY long time to complete. > > (5) This problem happens on the Windows 4.61 as well. > > Jeffrey S. Kobal > IBM Corporation > Bad design. Those pages should be broken up. Folder images lack size attributes. On my Win box (K62 300, Communicator 4.7) it took 36 seconds to render the page after it finished loading On my OS/2 box (P166, Communicator 4.61) it took 48 seconds to render (not bad actuaaly compared with above) I design web sites and would have never allowed a page of this size to be generated. They should limit the number of records returned per page. > Mark Schlegel wrote: > > > The behavior seems to be that if you repeatedly enter some pages then > > go one level down then return to the main page, eventually when you > > come to the main page, Netscape will start filling the swapper.dat > > like crazy. This occured to me on pages > > http://computing.net/os2/wwwboard/wwwboard.html > > and > > http://computing.net/unix/wwwboard/wwwboard.html > > > > This occured when I was reading posts in each page then clicking the > > Back button > > to return to the menu of post subjects, swapping took my swapper.dat > > from > > 40Meg to 141 Meg in just a few minutes and I was able to kill netscape > > by Control+esc and then selecting Close. There is no popuplog entry > > because it's not a trap but some kind of infinite code loop going on. > > I have a feeling this happens on pages that lots of single line entries > > each of which has an icon on the start of it (like conputing.net has) > > > > The only thing unusual with my netscape is that I have Auto loading of > > images turned off.... [snip] -- ********************** DigiGraph Technical http://www.dgraph.com ********************** --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: DigiGraph Technical (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: thorenz@hydromech.uni-hannover.de 27-Oct-99 09:22:22 To: All 28-Oct-99 10:23:15 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: Carsten Thorenz "Jeffrey S. Kobal" wrote: > (4) It's not an infinite loop, but it is looping through each of > those cells and allocating a "delayed image" construct for the > deferred load of the image into each cell, among other things. > After a while, this will load into the swapper and slow it down > more and more.... taking a VERY long time to complete. O.k., but why does it use _that_ much memory when image-loading is switched off? Do you use a 1MB pre-alloc for each "delayed" image? I've tried it with caches set to zero, no java, no java-script, no proxies. Theseus3 reports 88MB/26MB of allocated/committed memory with images switched on and 138MB/76MB of allocated/committed memory with images switched off when loading http://computing.net/windowsnt/wwwboard/wwwboard.html And, rather unreproducable, the memory-usage explodes when browsing through the forums. At a time Netscape had allocated about 300MB before I killed it. Bye, Carsten -- Carsten Thorenz Institut fuer Stroemungsmechanik und elektronisches Rechnen im Bauwesen thorenz@hydromech.uni-hannover.de http://www.hydromech.uni-hannover.de/w3-pages-thorenz/thorenz.html --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: RRZN - Newsserver Test (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com 28-Oct-99 04:39:23 To: All 28-Oct-99 11:18:05 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" Carsten Thorenz wrote: > O.k., but why does it use _that_ much memory when image-loading > is switched off? Frankly, I don't know. I just took a quick look at it to see if it was something that could be easily solved, but the memory allocations are coming from within the Netscape layout engine, which is an area of the code we are loathe to touch. We're talking about calls that are over a dozen levels deep, with callback functions and structures/lists set up to do work later on, multiple connection-sessions created for the images, etc. Since it is a bug in the Windows version as well, and this is obviously a very poorly-designed page, it's really not something I'm concerned about. Certainly not worth the risks involved with changing the layout code. Jeffrey S. Kobal IBM Corporation --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Origin Line 1 Goes Here (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: arnews@dsgml.com 28-Oct-99 13:26:25 To: All 28-Oct-99 16:44:09 Subj: Re: bad netscape 4.61 GA (Strong encrypt version) cache bug From: Ariel On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Jeffrey S. Kobal wrote: > Carsten Thorenz wrote: > > O.k., but why does it use _that_ much memory when image-loading > > is switched off? > Since it is a bug in the Windows version as well, and this > is obviously a very poorly-designed page, it's really not > something I'm concerned about. Certainly not worth the > risks involved with changing the layout code. Could/will you at least report it to Netscape? Although I'm not sure how many new releases for navigator there will be before Mozilla. If they do fix it, can/will you incorporate the change into the OS/2 version (even if you don't do a full "port" of the new version), just a small maintenance release for this specific problem (if they fix it). -Ariel --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: Shore.Net/Eco Software, Inc; (info@shore.net) (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: gjohn@csom.umn.edu 28-Oct-99 21:18:13 To: All 29-Oct-99 11:30:18 Subj: acrobat java on w98 vs warp From: "gjohn" I just installed acrobatjava on my w98 machine, and it is faster than acrobatv3 on warp4 (fp12). I suspect that adobe pays more attention to polishing their products for the win environment. --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Campus (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu 29-Oct-99 05:41:05 To: All 29-Oct-99 11:30:19 Subj: Re: acrobat java on w98 vs warp From: hunters@thunder.indstate.edu In article <7vb3mu$9ll$1@news1.tc.umn.edu>, "gjohn" wrote: > I just installed acrobatjava on my w98 machine, and it is faster than > acrobatv3 on warp4 (fp12). I suspect that adobe pays more attention > to polishing their products for the win environment. What sort of hardware are we talking about here? What JVM for Windows? Was it the same hardware for Warp and Win98?? Details man, details! -- -Steven Hunter *OS/2 Warp 4 * | hunters@thunder.indstate.edu *AMD K6-2 400* | Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. --- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165 * Origin: Usenet: Deja.com - Before you buy. (1:109/42) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +============================================================================+