The Beach

This topic was created by jerry
[Fri 14 August, 15:27 Tasmanian Standard Time]

so has anyone else read this book yet ?its about a bunch of travellers fed up with everyone else who find this island 'paradise' off ko Samui (its in Ang Thong marine park somewhere) and turn it into their own private colony - really good story and spookily on the ball about the kind of 'travellers' who look down on others for not being travelly enough.. if you know what i mean. just seemed to me to have the whole scene to a 't' - always looking for somewhere untouched
if you've read it , let me know what you thought...

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  1. loved it Added by: Amy
    [Timestamp: Sat 15 August, 0:06 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Considering how much reading people do when they are
    travelling I'd be surprised if this wasn't the hottest book
    on Khao San Road. Yes, he did get a pretty acurate picture
    of the travelling scene (although I'm not sure how many
    people have encountered dead travellers laying on the beach
    on Pang Ngan - or was it Samui?). I found it to be an
    adult version of Lord of the Flies. I read it in 2 nights,
    couln't put it down. I loved the whole subject of how
    everything used to be so much better, before it was ruined
    by other tourists. While I do understand the truth in
    that, I get so sick of hearing people say that such-&-such
    place used to be so much better and now it is terrible. It
    gets old after hearing it about 500 times. The writer
    seemed to be making a joke about that - and I really liked
    it. Thanks for the post, I've been trying to get every
    traveller I know to read it so we could compare notes.



  2. Loved it Added by: Debby (dswaldron)
    [Timestamp: Sat 15 August, 4:02 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Read it in a day (not that I'm trying to be competitive - I was just lounging in goa and couldnt put it down)
    Loved it
    Totally recommend it and agree with comments about "traveller's syndrome"!



  3. What book Added by: Jean (twoaussies@aol.com)
    [Timestamp: Sun 16 August, 7:35 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Would like to read this book - please give name and author. Thanks .



  4. author Added by: jerry
    [Timestamp: Sun 16 August, 8:12 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    it is The Beach by Alex Garland - I think it is published by Penguin here in the UK - he is a first time writer, so I am not sure how widely it is available outside the uk, although it is about 4th in the top ten fiction lists here....



  5. Are you on The Beach? Added by: Handy
    [Timestamp: Wed 19 August, 1:01 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Well, we do it to ourselves, people, especially in
    places like this site (not to mention the printed word and
    LPs role...) I read the Beach in Belize this year after
    having it recommended by several other travellers and loved
    it. The classic question: How to keep that special place
    unspoiled, yet still be able to share it with others. The
    old hippie who gave the kid the map in Bangkok seemed to do
    so based more on desperation at his imminent demise than on
    a belief about the kid's qualifications to join the hidden
    world. The lesson is: be careful who you share your secrets
    with, or next time there'll be a Hilton...
    The Eagles said it best in their song The Last Resort;
    "Call some place paradise, kiss it goodbye."



  6. 20th Century Added by: Kelly
    [Timestamp: Wed 19 August, 15:17 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    The movie is currently being filmed as we speak.



  7. THE BEACH Added by: CARER
    [Timestamp: Wed 19 August, 19:31 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I'm a publisher in UK, and published this book (I work for
    Viking, an imprint of Penguin). I'm pleased you all like
    it, and so is Alex (as we sit and listen to the cash
    rolling in!)
    He's taking the piss out of LP & travellers, but its still
    a good story.
    If you liked that one, try "Are you Experienced" by William
    Sutcliffe. Same kind of thing, but different - set in India.
    Leonardo Di Caprio has signed for the film of The Beach,
    which is in pre-production at the moment. Being made by
    Danny Boyle, who did Trainspotting, and Shallow Grave.



  8. 6.5 out of 10 Added by: Dave (holesd@which.co.uk)
    [Timestamp: Thu 20 August, 1:44 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Yeah I quite liked the book - it did take the piss nicely -
    was quite hard to put down and easy to read but really just
    a modern day rip-off of Lord of the Flies - not all that
    original.



  9. beach...smeech! Added by: bacon boy (dsgw72@hotmail.com)
    [Timestamp: Fri 21 August, 22:56 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I read the book, went to Thailand (Ko Pang Ngan, Phi Phi)
    came home read the book again! and I think The Beach is at
    best AVERAGE. It's like some college creative writing
    excercise and calls on popular culture references
    constantly. It's as if Alex Garland went to see Pulp Fiction
    and thought, "hey I'll rewrite Lord of the Flies in a
    Tarantino style."
    Garland is making loads off of the 'new breed' of popular
    writing in the UK and it's crap.
    Buy an LP guide instead.
    Mr Swine



  10. Leonardo????? Added by: aysha (aysh23@hotmail.com)
    [Timestamp: Thu 27 August, 21:41 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I am disgusted that good (?) old Leo has been chosen to play
    Richard in the film of the beach. What on earth good can
    that do to the book (oh, except, of course, bringing in the
    pennies - yeah, well I guess that's a good enough reason if
    you're selling out)? The film itself should be good if done
    by Danny Boyle, but was it not at all possible to get an
    English actor for the part (seeing as Richard was English in
    the book, and it's by an English author?) I hate the way
    brilliant books are ruined (and they almost always are) by
    the overwhelming desire to sell out and make as much money
    as possible.
    Sorry this is a bit of an angry post but I loved the book so
    much, I think it's such a shame to get such a wooden actor
    in the part.
    ps any spare parts on offer?!!!!!!!



  11. Yawn Added by: Jan
    [Timestamp: Fri 4 Sept, 21:24 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    The Beach was ok in parts, totally agree with #9, bacon boy.
    Also agree that Leo is the WRONG person for the movie. If
    you want a wider selection of reader reviews, go to
    amazon.com, book search and into reviews. Great forum for
    venting your spleen!
    I doubt if Alex Garland will ever write a REAL quality
    novel. (But who cares? Neither did Barbra Cartland and she's
    stinking rich!) Don't demean Lord of the Flies with
    comparisons!



  12. Ahh, do you really want to know what I think? Added by: Happy Crapper
    [Timestamp: Thu 10 Sept, 5:57 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    The Beach had to have been written with the target audience
    being malcontented pimply fifteen year olds. I'm fucking
    embarrassed that I read the thing. Gaping plot holes, racist
    sensibilities, and two-dimensional characters.
    ~
    For the life of me, I don't understand why this book has
    been such a media sensation.



  13. new book by garland Added by: carer
    [Timestamp: Thu 17 Sept, 21:52 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I think no 11 is wrong, and will shortly have to eat his
    words: try the tesseract, came out in uk last week. set in
    the philippines, it is an altogether better, more ambitious
    novel than the beach. ENJOY!



  14. Count me in . . . Added by: Curious
    [Timestamp: Wed 23 Sept, 10:35 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I liked it, too . . . found it really struck a chord . . . not just about the whole Thai beach scene, but also about how demented things can become when people try to preserve their vision no matter what. As far as Garland's concerned, I found it a remarkably well-paced read, surprising, full-fleshed-out characters . . . I don't think those of you who are lambasting it realize how hard that is to do.



  15. Well, not a bad book ... Added by: Anders Blichfeldt
    [Timestamp: Mon 12 Oct, 18:00 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I came across my copy of Garland's "The Beach" in the most
    romantic way conceivable: I found it in the shelf for
    leftover reading matters in a guesthouse in Bangkok's Soi
    Ngarm Duphlii ("the little Khao San"). To my eyes this is
    one of the most interesting spots in any guesthouse - the
    place where other travellers leave the magazines and books
    and maps they don't want any more. Most of it is junk, much
    is so tattered and torn it can only be read in part, and
    sometimes you come across really good surprises. Like me,
    when I found this particular paperback. I had no clue as to
    what it was, had never heard about the author or the title
    before, and I was a little turned off by the publisher's
    overly calculated claims on the cover ("has all the makings
    of a cult classic"). Never the less I was intriqued by the
    unspoken promise of the image on the front cover, the
    staring eye and the beachscape.
    Did I like the book? Hmmm, I haven't regretted reading it.
    Maybe I am a reader who just do not flow with this
    particular writer. I recognize his storytelling talent, but
    I did not really find the plot believable. The characters
    did not strike me as really possible.
    Then I returned to Denmark, and before within half a year
    the book was out in a Danish translation getting positive
    reviews. By and large I'd say "The Beach" first of all
    has given me some insight into what many travellers like to
    read when they read about travelling, the half
    self-ironical, half self-romanticising images they like to
    enjoy before or after going abroad themselves.



  16. What about real beaches Added by: Raffa (raffa@mju.ac.th)
    [Timestamp: Sat 24 Oct, 6:39 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    With all the hussle about a novel on some beach in
    Thailand, it seems to me that some of us are forgetting
    what is really happening to these places. Number five has
    a point: tell someone about a place and the next time you
    come back you'll find a Hilton... But that's not the worse.
    Devastation of coastal habitats, water eutrofication and
    sea-blossoming, pollution, coral bleaching,... it all comes
    with touristic 'developpement'. It would be nice if there
    were still some 'secret beaches' on this world...



  17. Don't blame tourism! Added by: itchy_feet
    [Timestamp: Mon 26 Oct, 2:40 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    A response to post #16.
    I agree absolutely that terrible things are happening to the
    environment (and to many of the people) in the places that
    we love to visit, and I am glad that you share my anger at
    this destruction. However, tourism is probably far less
    destructive than many other ways in which these places are
    being exploited (over-fishing, shrimp-farming, mining,
    logging, soil erosion from intensive agriculture,...).
    There is good evidence that 'backpacker' type tourism helps
    to conserve environments in question while putting money in
    the pockets of ordinary local people. Even Hilton-type
    development, with its trail of golf courses and excessive
    demands on local water resources, is probably less damaging
    than the things that happen where there is no tourism at
    all.
    So book that flight: when you travel, you are not only
    having a good time, but also helping to save the planet!



  18. The Real Beach Added by: Kinda sorta, but not too curious
    [Timestamp: Wed 25 Nov, 6:57 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    what island and area do you think the author is really referring to and augmenting in his book? Combination Koh Tao and Koh Nang Yung a decade ago?



  19. Good, but Bad. Added by: Jas (Smoothnarcotics@hotmail.com)
    [Timestamp: Fri 27 Nov, 5:42 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    A book that made me thump, v. nice. But bad. Just what Alex
    was writing about - 'the beach' will bring MORE travellers
    to the region. Which grates with my ass. Godamn! Soon we'll
    have a freakin' disney hotel there! And good as
    trainspotting was, I really hope the makers and actors in
    the film turn insane and... Hey! - Kill each other in
    horrific ways! Perhaps the book should have stayed un -
    published and been curculated underground. Yeah, baby.
    E - mail and Disagree!



  20. The Tesseract Added by: Mike D
    [Timestamp: Tue 1 Dec, 2:05 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I just checked www.amazon.com and Alex Garland is soon
    coming out with a new book. "The Tesseract"



  21. an easy read Added by: barely literate
    [Timestamp: Tue 8 Dec, 7:44 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    One interesting thing I found about The Beach. It is
    written in clear, basic--some would say pedestrian--
    English. Thus it seems a logical choice for a reader with
    less than perfect comprehension of English, or for a
    schoolchild learning how to read.
    And I hear the filming of the movie is trashing a real
    beach in Thailand, or have the protests by Thais managed to
    stop it? If so, it won't be hard to find a replacement
    "beach," ; lots of govt officials would welcome the payoffs.



  22. Ko Phi Phi Added by: Ian
    [Timestamp: Wed 9 Dec, 6:02 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    The book's beach location is being filmed on Ko Phi Phi,
    just off the coast of Krabi. For the campground location in
    the book, the studio cleared approx. 300 sq. meters of
    forest to accomodate the filming. The studio claims it will
    replant the area. The production comapny has had the full
    support of the Thai gov't. Along with Leo, the film stars
    Virginie Le Doyen, Giullome Canet and Jerry Swindell.



  23. too bad Added by: kiki
    [Timestamp: Sat 12 Dec, 1:57 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    It's too bad - not that I want to be an elitist backpacker
    snob - but it's true that after this movie is made,
    everyone and there 16 year old leo loving sister are going
    to want to hop on over to s.e. asia, but realizing upon my
    first return from the area that most domestiques don't want
    to sleep in bungalows with out hot water or totally clean
    sheets, or god forbid room service - the quaint little
    spots we all found are going to be turned to the way side
    and replaced by high rises with attenddents running around
    in uniforms serving drinks and charging them to your room -
    not that I want to sound bitter - but I hate the these
    places will change for tourists when we should change to
    accomadate their way of life.



  24. Immature Added by: concerned
    [Timestamp: Sun 13 Dec, 4:21 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I found the novel to be a rather immature. It has been
    over-hyped succesfully by clever marketing. It was also
    not credible - I would have thought that Richard would have
    had some romance during his months on 'the beach'.
    All in all a disappointing read, albeit one that has
    cleverly tapped into the zeitgeist. However, Garland
    utilises the quasi autobiographical genre to good effect.
    Don't bother buying it - borrow it.



  25. average Added by: cynic
    [Timestamp: Sat 19 Dec, 8:06 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Cliches!!



  26. The Beach...a good one. Added by: alex (alexsweden@hotmail.com)
    [Timestamp: Wed 23 Dec, 12:14 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Hey,
    I just want to mention that "The Beach" is an excellent
    book........
    ......alex :-)



  27. Ironic! Added by: Roberta (bertiebold)
    [Timestamp: Sun 3 Jan, 6:34 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Hi Everyone,
    I haven't read the book, but if its a case that the film is
    being filmed in Ko Phi Phi, then it somewhat a case of
    recreating as opposed to maintaining paradise. Look at the
    L.P.'s description of Ko Phi Phi! I visited Ko Phi Phi last
    August and spent 3 very relaxing and enjoyable days there.
    The beaches are really beautiful and there are lots of
    things to do there apart from sunbathing. However, walk to
    where the locals live, and even through some of the streets
    and you will find huge heaps of discarded coconuts and
    other rubbish. Its a shame because if its a sign of things
    to come, as has been mentioned in other posts, then Ko Phi
    Phi will be ruined.



  28. Penguin Added by: an ex penguin
    [Timestamp: Thu 7 Jan, 1:35 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    'Are You Experience' is a pile of shit. Carer (are you
    Andrew Kidd?) you are recommending it simply because
    Penguin publishes it. We want quality here. The Beach was
    good. At Penguin you needed it to be. The last best book
    you published (and I was there at the time) was Secret
    History. But also Alex Garland is an arse. Personally I
    mean.
    Any other books from this genre?



  29. Immature??? Added by: Aviva (aviva00@hotmail.com)
    [Timestamp: Fri 22 Jan, 6:25 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Post #24 called it immature... interesting. Considering it
    was the first novel of a 26 year old! It's bound to be
    somewhat immature. I really enjoyed it. I read it upon
    returning from my travels and found that his style and
    description threw me right back into the backpacking scene.
    Well done in that respect.
    And #24... if you think its immature because there was no
    "love story" Pah-leeze! What IS immature is the idea that
    backpacker lifestyle is all about shagging... Now,
    imagining Leo not shagging for his entire stay on the island
    might be harder to believe (which is why in my eyes he
    is the WRONG choice for the part) "Richard" is a bit more of
    a gloomy, introspective creature I think - not so pretty.
    Totally believable that he wouldn't have had a shag.
    My 0.02$
    -A
    http://members.tripod.com/~Aviva00



  30. The traveller in U Added by: Mr P (nick.perrett@uk.arthurandersen.com)
    [Timestamp: Thu 25 Feb, 21:59 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    If you aren't necessarily fussed about whether it's a novel
    or non-fiction, but merely enjoy reading about travels, try
    Nick Danzinger's books. He has done some mad travelling
    (his contact with heavy armaments is not recommended) which
    he actually manages to write about with great lucidity.
    His books really enlighten on cultures along the way -
    who'd have thought that the "Allahu Akbar..." chant I so
    often woke up to in Asia actually translates in part to
    "come fast to prayer, come fast to prayer; prayer is better
    than sleep..." - interesting lyric. In respect to The
    Beach, I did enjoy it in the same way I may enjoy a James
    Bond movie if I'm in that particular mood. Nobody's saying
    it is written in deep, highbrow English - not everything
    you read has to be, the variety and joy of literature is in
    precisely that. The Tesseract is more complex but again I
    couldn't say it's better, just different. I'm not sure
    about his definition of the four dimensional hypercube, at
    least in the mathematical sense...



  31. romance Added by: Rob
    [Timestamp: Thu 25 Feb, 23:29 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    What Aviva said about Leo not getting any action has
    obviously been taken on board by the screen play writers -
    apparently in the film Richard does have sex with Franτoise
    in the surf... Hollywood clichΘ alert...



  32. Beach Added by: Sara
    [Timestamp: Sat 27 Feb, 17:13 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    People said the same thing about Hemmingway's language in
    his time...but in retrospect he's brilliant. I thought it
    was a great novel, and believeable or not seems
    irrelevant. Why is sci-fi fantasy ok, but not a novel
    that's slightly out there? And as for the romance, Richard
    is a totally obsessive character, first he's obsessed with
    Franciose (which he can't have) and then he's obsessed with
    the whole Vietnam reinaction thing. Where's the room for
    romance?



  33. TOO SPOOKY FOR ME Added by: FLOTSAM
    [Timestamp: Sun 28 Feb, 14:37 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I liked it, although AG didn't really fully exploit the
    dramatic possibilities of The Return From The
    Island.....weak ending.All you readers who suggest that the
    book/film's popularity will lure 1,000s more starry-eyed
    Leo-philes to Thailand are idiots. I've never been to
    Thailand, and for me - suggestible person that I am - the
    book was a MASSIVE DISINCENTIVE.



  34. loved it Added by: Barbarella
    [Timestamp: Wed 10 March, 22:02 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I just couldn't put the book down - actually read it 3 times
    by now.



  35. Movie Casting Added by: Chris
    [Timestamp: Sun 11 April, 16:34 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I actually loved this book, and also cared a lot for Richard
    in it, although some people I guess find him too flawed. In
    any case, I wanted to let people know they shouldn't worry
    about the casting of Leonardo Di Caprio in the role of
    Richard. If you see some of his movies (besides the
    Titanic), you'll see he usually plays dark, brooding
    characters usually going through some sort of personal hell
    (does it pretty well too). Except for the fact that he isn't
    english, Di Caprio should be perfect for to play Richard.



  36. beachy Added by: leisha (leishazaanrdo@hotmail.com)
    [Timestamp: Tue 13 April, 16:13 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    wasn't this lord of the flies in disguise????



  37. Invasion of the... Added by: Darnell
    [Timestamp: Thu 15 April, 11:33 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Japanese teeny-boppers? Leo's biggest fans are obsessed
    love-struck Japanese girls. They love "everything Leo" and I
    can imagine a new industry where they head down to Ko Phi
    Phi in pilgrimage (while their Uncle's diddle away up
    north). As far as Leo being Richard...ever see
    "The Basketball Diaries". But I expect whoever's making this
    film will screw it up as bad as they did Jim Carroll's
    wonderfully sympathetic novel to "outsiders".



  38. Rep. to the "UNTOUCHED" Added by: Ozzy (o.keuning@wxs.nl)
    [Timestamp: Sat 17 April, 9:04 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    If you really want to visit "THE UNTOUCHED", you much visit
    us at the island of Saparua, because hardly any tourist has
    visited yet and we offer you more than 2 kilometer of
    private beautiful beach!
    Please don't tell this secret to too many people because we
    want to keep it untouched!
    And for the real divers, this will be paradise on earth!
    Hope to hear or see you soon!
    Your sincerely,
    Ozzy*



  39. WHEW! Added by: kiks
    [Timestamp: Sun 2 May, 19:10 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I'm just glad that Alex Garland chose the Beach's setting
    in Thailand, and not in my country (which is close by).
    Don't get me wrong: I liked the book. Started out very
    idealistically, but did turn into a "Lord Of The Flies." It
    ended rather abruptly. What happened to Richard
    (emotionally, psychologically) in the following months back
    in London? His character needed more closure -is he still
    idealistic, or now more realistic? We needed to hear from
    Richard telling us how it changed him. A paragraph would
    have done it. Mr. Garland seemed to have just wanted to
    terminate the book and cash in, or meet the deadline. I'd
    hate to be in Thailand when this movie comes out, and for
    many years to come! I'm keeping a low profile on OUR secret
    paradise!!



  40. Beach vs. Tesseract Added by: Nadima
    [Timestamp: Sun 16 May, 2:07 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I also loved the Beach and could not put it down. I am not
    much of a reader as I have a short attention span which is
    why I was so surprised by my reaction to this book. I was
    so upset when it ended. I guess I liked it so much because
    of the fact that I am a young traveller who wants to find
    such isolated paradises...but also because it was so
    trippy! I loved Daffy Duck!
    I immediately read the Tesseract after, but was not too
    impressed by that one. It was okay...but considering the
    Beach is my favorite book ever I was very dissapointed.
    Tesseract is very slow in the beginning I think. It gets
    better towards the middle and end, but it certainly isn't a
    very memorable book.




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