Travelers vs. Tourists

This topic was created by Jane (janeroper@hotmail.com)
[Thu 20 May, 0:37 Tasmanian Standard Time]

In your opinion, what is the difference between a "traveler" and a "tourist"?
I'm just wrapping up a 3 month trip in S.A. and plan to write an article on the dubious distinction between these two types of overseas adventurers. If you have any thoughts on the philosophical, material, spiritual, etc. differences -- or lack thereof -- between tourists and travelers, please post or email me directly. I'd love to hear your opinion. As for mine, well....

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  1. Its an attitude thing Added by: mickey (mickeyi@yahoo.com)
    [Timestamp: Thu 20 May, 3:49 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    This is a really good question. In my opinion, tthe
    difference lies in attitude. Travelers want to integrate
    themselves seemlessly into a culture; to become part of the
    place they are visiting. This manifests itself as a strong
    desire to meet locals, and to understand and respect local
    customs. Tourists, on the other hand, stand out like a sore
    thumb. They congregate in places that only other tourists
    inhabit, they want to be catered to, and are uncomfortable
    in anything too foreign (that's why you'll often see
    tourists at a McDonalds, even though they can eat crappy
    hamburgers at home).
    Perhaps all the above is just a pile of dung, but that's
    it, that's my opinion.



  2. tarvelers vs tourist Added by: harrold
    [Timestamp: Thu 20 May, 4:00 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    forget where I read it but someone differentiated between the two somewhat like this.."a tourist doesn't know where shee's been...a traveler doesn't know where shee's going."



  3. this question... Added by: Malud
    [Timestamp: Thu 20 May, 7:03 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    ... is always asked and everyone who answers it seems to think of themselves in the traveller camp not the tourist side. Wake up. We follow guide books, sometimes stay in gringo-filled haunts, buy souvenirs, take jungle trips, suckle malaria tablets, struggle with Spanish and constitute the main market for bottled mineral wate, international calls, internet cafes and the like. None of this is necessarily wrong (I don't want malaria or cholera any more than you do) but it's hardly "seamless integration" into local life is it?
    .
    The few real travellers out there spend years in a place, adapting and learning, moving very slowly and blending in as best they can. That's less than 1% of us, judging by the vast majority of post on this board (why on earth would a real traveller ask a European or Australian (say) for travel advice rather than a local? I doubt "real travellers" even visit this kind of board. And a "real traveller" would certainly not ask the brochure-questions that too often crop up here (eg: "how can I get from Cusco to Lima?", "is the Inca trail safe?" etc etc ad nauseum).
    .
    I am not a "real traveller" by this definition (and neither are you reading this, most likely), but similarly I am not a packaged tourist. There are lots of shades of grey in this question and unfotunately it is something that bored "real travellers" like to out-do each other on rather than spending time learning about the place they are in, meeting local people, learning some language etc.
    .
    Tourism is not wrong - many countries thrive on it and it can be fun and relaxing and interesting and all the rest. But that's what it is. You don't become a traveller for the university holidays or your gap year. I think to be a real traveller you think in terms of a lifestyle devoted to travel. Even then you will probably spend a lot of time as a tourist.
    .
    For a funny piss-take on the subject of "real travellers" read "Are you experienced?" by William Sutcliffe.



  4. Don't fool yourself, cookie! Added by: Kevin (kmeadowcroft@hotmail.com)
    [Timestamp: Thu 20 May, 8:56 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    "Traveller" is the moniker that tourists use to pretend
    that they are not tourists.
    This is not to say that there are not forms of better or
    worse tourism just that no trammeling is innocent.
    Perhaps those that stay in luxury resorts and don't
    interact with locals don't contaminate the loacale, leave
    the most money around, and don't leave hordes of destitute
    children with the "one pen" syndrome.



  5. check out the Sheltering Sky Added by: kristin (kek222columbia.edu)
    [Timestamp: Thu 20 May, 11:57 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I agree, its attitude.
    One of my favorite movies, The Sheltering Sky (stars John
    Malkovich), directed by Bernardo Bertolucci(sp?), relates to
    this very subject, which is based on a book of the same name
    by Paul Bowles.



  6. No Need for the Ideal Photo Op. Added by: Andy (ishtarlee@aol.com)
    [Timestamp: Thu 20 May, 12:56 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    When I try and think of the distinction between travelers
    and tourists, one notion that comes to mind is that of the
    goal of the person. I typically think of a tourist as a
    person who goes to a specific destination and intends to
    see identifiable sites. For instance, they go to Peru,
    with the intent to visit Machu Picchu.
    However, when I think of the term travler, I think of a
    person who knows where they are starting, but might not
    know where they will be ending, and the point of the trip
    is trying to get from point A to point B, and the sites
    they see along the way are not as formally planned out.
    Thus, the toursit is often looking for the great photo
    opportunity to take home as a momento to prove to his or
    her friends that he or she in fact did see ________ (fill
    in the blank). While, the Traveler is more interested in
    collecting travel stories of misadventures of broken down
    buses, and border crossings from hell to share with friends
    and other travelers met on future trip.
    However, i do have to agree with some of what has been said
    above. There is not a clear-cut line between who is a
    traveler and who a tourist. Just remember, there is
    nothing wrong with being either a tourist or a traveler, as
    long as you fun traveling!



  7. Definition Added by: Ken
    [Timestamp: Thu 20 May, 13:39 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I like this one:
    A traveller has more time and spends less money than a
    tourist.
    It is simple and quite true.



  8. Traveler vs. Tourist Added by: Miguel (migueljudice@mail.teleweb.pt)
    [Timestamp: Thu 20 May, 17:22 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    A traveler watchs, a tourist sees; a traveler collects, a
    tourist takes; a traveler passes the night, a tourist
    sleeps; a traveler talks to someone, a tourist speaks to
    someone; They are different and yet the same.



  9. Here we go again Added by: Cecilia
    [Timestamp: Thu 20 May, 20:32 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    This question was asked in another part of the Tree some time ago (probably by the same person, looking for trouble...).
    .
    I don't think there's a difference, it's all in what someone WANTS to pretend to be. People who insist on being called "traveller" and not tourist are people who think they are better than others.
    .
    The first time I started thinking about this topic at all was when a visitor in a hotel in Lima started yelling at the hotel clerk because the clerk entered "tourist" in the "occupation" box of their registration books. The tourist went berzerk and yelled that he was a TRAVELLER, not a tourist!! I thought he must be joking but he was dead serious. God, people, wake up, we are all the same, we are not Robinson Crusoe or something. I mean, all the places we go to (and call "off the beaten track, ha ha!!") have been visited by thousands or millions before us.
    .
    Why make a distincion at all? It would be stupid to call yourself a traveller while on a long trip, but to have to call yourself a tourist if you have less time and more money, wouldn't it?



  10. Exploration Added by: Lee
    [Timestamp: Thu 20 May, 23:16 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Burton, Shakleton, Cook, Mallorey they were real adventurers/explorers. The difference between them and all of us is far greater than the difference between a modern day traveller and tourist.



  11. Why is it that.... Added by: Kevin
    [Timestamp: Fri 21 May, 0:20 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Why is it that people buy a popular guidebook that every
    other tourist traveller has (yes, I'm talking about lp),
    then goes to the places that are in that guidebook, and
    then commences to complain that there are to many tourists
    in that place??
    I've noticed this affliction everywhere that I've
    travelled. Even came down with it once or twice...



  12. a lowly tourist... Added by: Doogs
    [Timestamp: Fri 21 May, 1:23 Tasmanian Standard Time]


    I had been a 'traveller' for 5 years before I realized I was just a cheap 'tourist'.



  13. ???????!!!!!!!!! Added by: Todd
    [Timestamp: Fri 21 May, 3:06 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Come on ya'all, we are all tourist! "I'm a tour tourist,
    your a tourist, wouln't you like to be a tourist too!" I'm
    getting off my high horse, care to join me?



  14. I'm a tourist and proud of it! Added by: peter
    [Timestamp: Fri 21 May, 7:49 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    cecilia, malud, doogs and todd:
    good to hear some common sense on this post. I agree with
    you completely; we're all tourists.
    I get pissed of by those people who insist they're
    'travelers' and therefore of a better breed as well.
    We're all tourists, it's just that some are a bit more
    'responsible' while traveling. And I agree as well that the
    high-spending tourist in a resort may be better for a
    country and have a lower negative impact than many
    'travelers'. (but I wouldn't want to go there!)
    Now, that was quite liberating, I think I'll go get myself
    a hawai shirt! I'll join you there todd!



  15. Banal Added by: Fraxel
    [Timestamp: Fri 21 May, 12:25 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    There's no difference! Just a matter of semantics. Why make such a big deal out of it? Who cares, anyhow?



  16. Both Added by: Cranth
    [Timestamp: Fri 21 May, 12:28 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    You're a traveler while en route. When you get there, you're a tourist.



  17. d_nice Added by: d_nice73
    [Timestamp: Sat 22 May, 0:39 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Great Topic,
    I do believe there is a difference between a traveler and a
    tourist and though it may be slight semantics, I don't hold
    to the belief that it is a elitist mentality of "holier
    than thou" attitude present in all people that relate to
    "traveler" as a moniker. For those that would insist on it
    as a name, I believe they are tourists in denial. But
    others have written that if you are a traveller emersed in
    the culture, you should be asking advice of a local. I
    guess I explain this phenomenon in utilizing the words
    "empathize" and "sympathize". To empathize is to
    understand an experience and to sympathize is to have
    direct involvement that allows you to relate to the
    experience. You have lived it before. Becuase, as
    foreigners we can only empathize with the locals we
    encounter me must depend on those we can sympathize with
    for perspective. I don't think that there is anything
    detracting about searching out the experiences of those
    which share your perspective; in this case "Western"
    (excuse the generalization; please don't kill me!)
    So we are tourists becuase we use a guide book? I don't
    think so. I think most will agree that the experiences of
    a traveler hold a "completely" unique tone to those of your
    friends from your home town on their Spring Break
    extravaganza. A traveler can't quite relate to the average
    person becuase they allow themselves to be shaped my the
    various cultures, smells and adventures and in that is what
    I believe creates the difference... The sense of adventure
    you search out away from the protection and familiarity of
    what you already know. The acceptance of the unexpected
    and the patience that comes with time. The grasping of the
    culture and of the moment that escapes the pre-purchased,
    pre-ordained world that comforts the tourist.
    Does this make them better? No and do the terms traveler
    and tourist drift into the realms of the inscrutable?
    Sure. I have been both a travel and a tourist and I
    believe it is the attitude you bring to the situation...
    Oh... and if you are wearing a plastic bracelet around your
    wrist at any time during your travels, you are a tourist.
    As always, the spelling of this letter has been changed to
    protect the innocent.
    d_nice "There is my 'two-bits'... soldiers... set
    your phasers on annihilate!!!!



  18. d_nice: Added by: s.d.
    [Timestamp: Sat 22 May, 6:36 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    d_nice:
    A very wordy and flowery post. Unfortunately you've gotten
    some of your vocab mixed up. To "sympathize" with someone
    is NOT to understand them; it is to feel sorry for them.
    When you are trying/able to relate to someone because you DO
    understand the situation they're in, you can "empathize".
    So if for example, you arrive in a povery-stricken village,
    you can have "sympathy" for its people, but it is
    unlikely that you could "empathize".



  19. I don't think the travelers out there would be likely, nor have the interest, in respond to this question... Added by: El Contador (contador@earthlink.net)
    [Timestamp: Sat 22 May, 9:04 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    If you are a traveller, who is indeed immersed in the
    culture of the place(s) you are travelling, you would not:
    a) have a straight job or be a university student somewhere
    in Europe, Oz, the U.S.A., or anywhere else for that
    matter.
    b) be purchasing travel guidebooks
    c) be wondering where to find a school to learn Spanish or
    Portuguese
    d) etc.
    We are all tourists to varying degrees. We hopefully
    return from our trips to foreign lands being a little bit
    more informed than when we left, and feeling a bit better
    about ourselves about having done so. Personally, my
    holidays always remind me that I am fortunate to have been
    born in a Western country, along with the opportunites which
    this has provided.
    I backpack and travel by myself. However, I don't consider
    myself any better of a person than the individual who takes
    a package tour. Nor do I consider myself any better than
    the many goat and llama herders I have met in my visits to
    the Andean Paramo.
    The only tourists for whom I have disdain are the same types
    of people I don't like at home. These are the
    self-important types who are rather full of themselves (the
    boludo Cecelia referred to in her earlier post that had a
    shit-fit in the hotel is a good example of this).
    Boa sorte em seu viagem
    El Contador



  20. Tourist Added by: Nutzo
    [Timestamp: Sat 22 May, 15:13 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Tour'ist - one who travels for pleasure
    I pronouce you all GUILTY!



  21. Definitions Added by: JohnT (telferj@globalnet.co.uk)
    [Timestamp: Mon 24 May, 6:35 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    In a PC world gypsies are now called travellers (but not
    tourists). A traveller travels, a tourist tours. A
    traveller's focus is on the journey, not the destination. A
    tourist travels in order to tour. A traveller travels to
    exist. You dont see many travellers (in the PC sense)
    trying to get into Buckingham palace. Therefore if the
    "travellers" to use the backapck-packers vernacular
    actually start to tour they are tourists. If they still
    believe they are travellers, they could have saved a stack
    of money and stayed in the UK. A traveller hitches from
    Aldershot to Slough for the hell of it. A tourist would go
    to windsor castle and the Tate Gallery. There are no LP
    guides to Slough or aldershot (tho' I may be mistaken), but
    no doubt both windsor and the Tate gallery are mentioned in
    the LP guide to the UK / England. Transposing this idea to
    Peru, anybody who visits Machu Picchu is therefore a
    toursit. Anybody in a horse and cart travelling back and
    forth from Juliaca to Andihuaylas (or however the hell it
    is spelt) is a traveller. Therefore there are no travellers
    in Peru.
    To sum up, I'm pink therefore I'm Spam.
    John



  22. to s.d. Added by: d_nice
    [Timestamp: Tue 25 May, 0:36 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    to play out the semantics game a little more...
    one of the definitions of Empathy is :identification with
    or vicarious experiencing of the feelings or thoughts of
    others.
    I guess I was trying to touch on the vicarious relationship
    we share with those we meet on the road as opposed to
    history/culture we share with hometown people...
    Sympathy: Once again semantics, but a definition I found,
    and more the way I was relating the explination is: A
    relationship between persons or things whereby whatever
    affects one also affects the other.
    I was just defending the act of searching out advice from
    those that have traveled from your own country/world. And
    asked myself why we did this and my little empathy/sympathy
    story evolved...
    thanks though good point, I should be more specific...
    d_nice. Taken from Webster's Dictionary of the English
    Language...




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