India- Love or Madness.

This topic was created by Paul
[Fri 27 Nov, 14:24 Tasmanian Standard Time]

Is it just me, or other people, after one trip, obsessed
with India? I was there two years ago, for little more than
month, and have since been to China and Russia, and yet I
cannot seem to escape from the pull of India. The memory of
walking into a hot Bombay night at 2am, feeling the whole
city waiting for the rains to come, the sight of cows in
downtown Bombay and elephants on Dehli streets, the Taj, the
basillica of Bom Jesus, Elephanta caves, conversations on
trains, the heat, the rain etc seems to haunt me. Is this
normal. I am desperate to go back, and have volunteered to
teach there, just in the hope that I can recapture these
feelings. Is this possible? Is it normal? Will I ever cease
to be such an Indophile? I am in your hands, people- is
there a cure? (if not, stories that will stoke my desire
will do- I am like one of those teenagers who can never here
enough about my beloved.)
Paul

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  1. only Added by: tom
    [Timestamp: Fri 27 Nov, 15:03 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    only one thing to do man--head back!



  2. No cure Added by: Yarra
    [Timestamp: Fri 27 Nov, 15:13 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Paul
    For those that the India bug has bitten I'm afraid there is
    no cure.
    I've seen some people where family, career, mortgage etc has
    dampened it down for a while but just mention the sunsets in
    the Thar desert, the taste of a good masala dosa, the call
    of a chai wallah at 3 am and the lust for India rises
    quickly in their eyes.
    Now lets see 17 years and is it 9 or 10 trips later I'm here
    on the net still wanting more.



  3. faraway looks Added by: stupidstar
    [Timestamp: Fri 27 Nov, 17:26 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I hear you, man. Most of my friends here have traveled all
    about; Central America, China, Russia, etc, but I'm the only
    one who's been to India. They stopped talking about their
    trips long ago, but I've been back 2 years this month and I
    still can't shut up about it. There's no cure, and it's no
    madness, just a peculiar form of xenophilia. It's nice to
    know there's others, though...



  4. It happens.. Added by: Michael
    [Timestamp: Fri 27 Nov, 18:23 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Not everyone has this reaction, but definitely it affects
    a few of us. Does't have to be a particular country though.
    Sometimes it's India, sometimes it's somewhere else.
    Sometimes it's just the fact of travelling at all in other
    cultures, countries. If you're bitten, that's it.
    You either get out there and see some more, or spend your
    life wishing you did.
    If India's the place for you...the 'cure' is to go back.



  5. terminal illness Added by: Indiamad
    [Timestamp: Fri 27 Nov, 23:56 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Nope, no cure. Going back just makes you sicker. Home-sicker
    for mother India. But it's a great way to go.



  6. Agree with all Added by: Kat
    [Timestamp: Sat 28 Nov, 4:20 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Especially with stupitstar. 'The India bug' is completely diffirent from the traditional 'travel bug' frequently discussed on these pages. When my friends ask me: 'Why India? What's so special?', I can only answer that is the maddest place I've ever been to, it is like another planet. All other countries seem in one way or the other comply with our way of thinking, fit into our system. You will never comprehend India and its people. What amazes me most of all is that when you think that now you REALLY experienced something special the next day you face an even more amazing and crazy situation or person. It just never ends, every day is unbelievable. Also, travelleres in India are COMPLETELY different from those who only go to S-E Asia f.ex, they are much more interesting. Does India change people? Another thing I've noticed is that I remember EVERYTHING about India. I mean I can close my eyes any time (like now at work) and I will emmidiately feel, see, smell and taste India. I remember the lights, the colors, the faces and so on like I never did in any country. What is it? Don't you think it gets into your blood somehow, you get infected? I never missed any country so much, looking at pictures and knowing I won't be there for a while (but only for a while!) causes unbearable pain. Thanks to all of you, see you there.



  7. timelessness Added by: ho-dee-do
    [Timestamp: Sat 28 Nov, 4:44 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I think one big reassuring thing about India is that you
    know it's immune to the relentless Americanization of the
    rest of the world. Sure the big cities are getting some of
    the trappings of western urban cities but most of the
    country is unaffected. When I was sitting on the Ghats in
    Varanasi, it felt to me like the scene I was viewing was the
    same as from that spot a 1000 years ago and will be the same
    in another 1000 years. India feels like another planet. I
    was barely conscious of the existence of the rest of the
    world while I was there. The madness and the feeling that
    you never, ever know what's going to happen next is so
    appealing. Words fail...



  8. Being picky with Kat's message Added by: J-P
    [Timestamp: Sat 28 Nov, 14:11 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I am not trying to be a boor, but I think Kat has
    raised a subtopic when she say that the people who
    travel in India are "COMPLETELY different from
    travellers to other parts of the world, eg. they are
    more interesting." I do not find this to be
    particularly true and a quick look through the rest
    of the dialogues presented in thorntree/ind/ will
    prove it. But that's is O.K., because it proves that
    the bug for India can bite anybody--not just
    extraordinary travellers.



  9. huh Added by: pagalo
    [Timestamp: Sat 28 Nov, 15:32 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    India.. Once bitten still itching.



  10. Like a drug Added by: Ann
    [Timestamp: Sat 28 Nov, 16:02 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    India's like a drug, after I've been there for a few months
    I can't wait to get away ... but as soon as I'm on the
    plane & it's taking off, I desperately want to get off & go
    back!
    And I do keep going back ... I expect I will for the rest
    of my life!



  11. why? can't tell you Added by: maria
    [Timestamp: Sat 28 Nov, 17:42 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    People always ask me "why? why India?" and I can't answer
    that. Even the unique aspects of India described above can't
    answer that question for me. I'm reduced to paraphrasing
    "The Bridges of Madison County" (of which I was an unwilling
    viewer) --- "It's an obsession. Obessions don't need
    reasons." Sukriya, Clint Eastwood.



  12. No offence, J-P! Added by: Kat
    [Timestamp: Sun 29 Nov, 0:02 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Sorry, I probably put it wrongly. I know I generalize. It's
    just a personal observation that there is another 'type' of
    people going to India than to other countries. An example:
    Do you know many people going back to Thailand or Indonesia
    5th or 6th time? I don't. But there a plenty of them in
    India.



  13. :) Added by: What, no flames?
    [Timestamp: Sun 29 Nov, 3:30 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Nice topic and surprisingly, no flames. At least not yet.
    Hope LP keeps this thread on for a while.



  14. Got the bug too! Added by: Anne
    [Timestamp: Sun 29 Nov, 12:03 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I' ve been to India twice, and hope to be back there soon.
    When people ask me what I liked and didn't like about
    India, I never have problems finding horror stories, but
    seem to be incapable of explaining why I love this place.
    Odd, isn't it?
    Now, I didn't have any kind of "spiritual awakening" over
    there, I didn't find my true self, I didn't even suffer
    that much (I like to have an attached bathroom), I was just
    there, being alive and enjoying myself, being proud when I
    got from point A to B on a rickshaw without stopping at a
    shop on the way, and wondering how I could have reacted
    better when I got lured by a shopkeeper. Go figure.



  15. Teaching Added by: An Indian
    [Timestamp: Mon 30 Nov, 1:14 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Paul,
    If you want to teach in India, you must checkout this site,
    www.eklavya.org. Eklavya is a not for profit organisation
    started in Ahmedabad. They're doing great work and looking
    out for peopole.



  16. And furthermore Added by: Paul
    [Timestamp: Tue 1 Dec, 11:39 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Thank you everyone for confirming that my disease is, as I
    suspected, incurable. I think what I feel in love with was
    the "timelessness" ho-de-ho noticed, but also the sense
    that, however much India changes, it will always be India
    (cows in Bombay, elephants in Dehli = not very "western"
    cities). And also the people. I think I liked everyone I
    met, even the people who were trying to rip me off (not that
    there were as many of these as there were in China) were so
    nice about it, I could not help but like them, even as I
    paid grossly inflated prices for marble coasters. (A word of
    warning for those on Indian tours to Agra- being ushered
    into the back room of a marble/tacky plastic souvenier shop
    is not a great honour- it means you look like you've got
    money to spend. If this happens, hold out for tea before you
    even look at those ashtrays, and see if they won't throw in
    a tacky Taj model for free). I hope to see some of you
    people in India when I get there again (probably June/July
    next year).
    Paul



  17. India is a high Added by: Sonya (sonya@keyworld.net)
    [Timestamp: Tue 1 Dec, 19:02 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Just the thought of those 2 months I spent in India 2 yrs
    ago is enough to send me to a high. I loved the place, the
    people, the experience, the everything!! I will definitely
    go back in the near future. Hold on India - I'm coming!!1



  18. ha Added by: koci
    [Timestamp: Wed 2 Dec, 0:26 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Well, to all those India-lovers, welcome! I hate to say
    this, but it doesn't help the population explosion. Just
    seems to add more chaos to the already confused lot. But
    welcome anyway. You bring in the money, I guess!!!!!!!!!!!!!



  19. Love = Madness Added by: An Indian
    [Timestamp: Wed 9 Dec, 1:57 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    they are both same. They are just just different ways of
    looking at them.
    There are somany things a person can do in India, but for
    people who are accoustumed to western luxuries it would be
    difficult to stay there beyond a point....



  20. sigh! Added by: addicted
    [Timestamp: Thu 10 Dec, 10:49 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    we all know the feelings all too well.
    I meet up with the ppl I met out there and we do nothing
    but rant on and on about it, then have vivid dreams for the
    following week.
    India is fab and Im dying to go back



  21. grey men Added by: achim (kaelberer@gmx.de)
    [Timestamp: Mon 21 Dec, 11:19 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I have experienced this also in other places like Mexico and
    Russia, however there you have to speak the language to
    really dive into the culture.
    Maybe the amazing about these countries is that the "grey
    men" (from "Momo", M. Ende) haven't been there yet, telling
    people that time = money.
    :-) achim



  22. It's India Added by: Traveler???
    [Timestamp: Sun 27 Dec, 10:10 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I've been fascinated by India all my life, and have
    travelled to lots of other places, but have saved India for
    this year, when I have more time then usual. A friend said
    to Me "I went for six week, stayed a year", when I asked him
    did he love it that much, He said "Sometimes I loved it,
    Sometimes I hated it, It's India". I already sense what he
    means, but very soon I'll KNOW.



  23. food for thougt.... Added by: Indian
    [Timestamp: Tue 26 Jan, 12:29 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Living here in the US after growing up in India, i always
    noticed that something seemed to be missing here (not just
    my family - i stayed away from home for abt 7 years b4 i
    came here). Not just that. Also noticed that the indian
    community here too behaved/lived (dont get the exact word),
    very differently from most other immigrants here in the US.
    Anyway, i ended up having this curiosity to find out more
    abt 'what' constitutes indian culture, in an effort to
    understand india better. Read this book called 'Foundations
    of Indian Culture' by Sri Aurobindo. Got to recommend it
    for the more serious minded among you....esp to those of u
    trying to get a grip or define more precisely that
    'timelessness','difeerence' etc that have been mentioned in
    ome of the posts above. This book is just incredibly well
    written and offers a great perspective abt the differences
    btwn India and the West. The author is undoubtedly one of
    India's greatest spiritual seers and philosphers.
    That apart, dont however expect india to not modernise and
    carry on with its age old forms, some of them corrupted,
    utilityless, and even harmful today. If there is anything
    that distinguishes india from other nations, its this
    plasticity in terms of adopting and assimilating new or
    modern forms/ideas but never giving up or atleast
    consciously losing its great underlying spiritual ideals
    and the time tested fundamentals of its culture. It is this
    that hasnt made india a country without a culture or
    meaning even after centuries of complete foriegn rule. Dont
    forget that a lot of the above posts have probably come
    from many of u who have had the chance of seeing india at
    various times, probably spanning decades! Surely there's
    more modernization in India now than 15 years ago, but
    somehow the essence of this culture percieved at very high
    spiritual levels lingers on. As it will, years hence, even
    when the net/cell-phones probably reach every home.
    Ok, that was my attempt to put to words the india 'bug'
    that u people seem to be grappling with.
    Btw, my last 18 months in the west have greatly helped me
    undesrtand my culture better.....thanks!



  24. Bliss Added by: Kellie
    [Timestamp: Sun 28 Feb, 0:46 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I've been 'home' almost 3 weeks. Any mention of India and my eyes will glaze over as I remember the sheer joy of having no choice but to dance in the universal flux. Thanks for this topic, helps to keep my day dreams alive.



  25. toogood Added by: toogood
    [Timestamp: Mon 1 March, 8:53 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    India cannot be understood by logic... obviously god was
    palying dice when he created india....



  26. Welcome to India, all Added by: Proud Indian (taheer@hotmail.com)
    [Timestamp: Wed 10 March, 17:28 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    All these messages make me very proud to be an Indian. I
    discovered this website yesterday and have already spent
    hours on it. I've lived away from 'home' the last three
    years and can't wait to go back even though I've been back
    thrice. Friends here wonder why I don't want to live in a
    more developed country full of luxury and lifestyle, why I
    want to live in a country with high population, pollution,
    poverty, rubbish heaps... I'm glad some people, like you
    all, appreciate the goodness it is filled with.
    Every country and culture holds within it a certain aspect
    that draws you closer, but, call me biased, I'm proud to
    belong to India.



  27. "East or West... Added by: lori-loo
    [Timestamp: Fri 2 April, 12:07 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    ...India is the Best" to quote the song. I cannot agreee
    more with everyone here. India blew my head off and put it
    back on all strange and beautiful. I will never get enough
    of the place. I was to spend 8wks, and did 8mos instead. I
    had lived and worked (peace corps) in Africa for a year- and
    it too is extraordinary but more secreted and difficult to
    know- but India was a traveler's dream. The opportunities
    (usually via the astoundingly generous and sound Indian
    people) to participate in the culture abound and are so full
    on and genuine that you cannot but be changed by them. The
    place is truly a lesson in suspension of disbelief,
    destruction of former views and overcoming of the ego.
    love it!



  28. It got me too Added by: smitten (lh13@soas.ac.uk)
    [Timestamp: Mon 26 April, 1:13 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    In 1994 as a naive young thing, something made me
    decide to go to India. I had a wonderful boyfriend
    who I adored in London and possibilities of
    promotion at work, a job I was lucky enough to love!
    But something made me buy that fateful ticket and I
    left it all behind, never to be retreived. I
    travelled for eight months, mostly alone, yet never
    felt the loneliness and paranoia that I have
    experienced whilst trudging solo round Europe. To
    cut a long story short, having returned from my
    second trip I started a degree in Hindi and the
    history of South Asia. I'm going back this Summer to
    study for a year and I'm so excited about being able
    to really converse with people who aren't part of
    the tourist scene.
    So Paul, you're not alone! The best of luck to you
    inreturning to India.



  29. ENCHANTED Added by: CUBAN (bkhanna44@hotmail.com)
    [Timestamp: Tue 18 May, 3:56 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    This is the only page where I can find a brain. Other
    people are worried about Pretzels and Prostitutes.
    Join the club folks. I have lived in India for about six
    years. I am not there anymore but only the grand
    dissolution willkeep me away from there. The Ghats at
    Varanasi, the cows in Mumbai the dust in Delhi and the tram
    cars in Calcutta. They are all close to me.
    The thing about that place is that you can never really fit
    in unless you grow up there. In the US and in other Western
    countries, all it takes to fit in is an accent and a hang of
    the system. After that it does not matter where you are
    from as long as you are doing everthing that is the social
    norm. You go to work, you have two cars tec.
    It's all about cracking a system. But India abides by no
    system. There is not one way to live, think and be. It
    challenges everything we have been taught and yet works and
    crawls along among its confusion.
    Being Indian is not a matter of knowing how things are done
    as it is about having an Indian state of mind.
    I fell in Love long ago and maybe someday some of us can
    travel together.
    Keep at it and don't recommend it to anyone who worries
    about their Pretzels. (I'm still dizzy after readind that)




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