and deepest sympathies to the families and friends of the
Chinese embassy staff murdered by NATO in the name
of "PEACE". Europe sucks. Three times in one century is
three times too many. I never want to hear some eurotrash
fag tell me how much more "civilized" Europe is compared to
the rest of the world. My ass!!!!!!
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last time i checked this was to be a travel forum, not
a political opinion forum. my advice is to start
expressing your sympathy to the families of chinese
people murdered by guess who, the chinese themselves.
go live in el savador....
that I've found by this moron, who probably by watching
excessive amounts of sanitised and sensationalised TV thinks
that all of the world owes the United States..
The 'civilised' states of course allows for no gun control,
thereby allowing it's 'civilised' citizens to blow each
other away at their own discretion - sounds fabulous don't
it !!
My apologies to americans who have a bit more in the way of
neuron capabilities than this twerp.
Thank you for you concern and apology but I think American
should take most of the faults.
-The American government bypasses UN and uses NATO as a
vehicle to create a war in the name of "peace".
-American jets represent 75% of the USA&NATO allies.
-It seems it was an American jet fired three missiles to the
Chines embassy.
-They said it was mistake because of an outdated map from
CIA
Well whoever is responsible or in error for the bombing of
the Chinese embassy has certainly fueled the Jingoistic
fervor of the Chinese. This incident will be used to good
advantage by the Chinese"powers" to meet their own obscure
ends.
They will use the anger/angst of the younger Chinese
populace who suffer from political impotence to draw
attention away from the upcoming 10th Anniversary of
Tianamin Square, by allowing attacks on foreign embassys
and other acts of uncontrolled rage . China will work this
bombing to their own good and take as much time as possible
and give as much grief as possible before accepting a
"proper" apology.
Can anyone deny that many innocent people have lost their
lives during acts of Chinese agression? Agression which in
no way could be called accidental. Their political "face"
wants a saving now and NATO(USA being the major target)
will be attacked until China feels it has squirmed enough.
The whole thing stinks of politics as usual.
The Chinese lives, wealth and land lost to the "civilized"
West and Japan are far more than those lost in the hands of
Chinese and yes only "Chinese communists". However, China
has been labeled as the "evil" and the West and Japan have
been labeled as "angles".
Who do you see as labeling China as "evil' and the
West/Japan as "angels"? This seems a very simplistic view
of world history.
Most large countries have much to be apologetic for ( poor
old China as much as any other), but don't hold your breath
waiting for a mea culpa. I agree with Jan. It's all
politics and manipulation as usual.
... So let me get his straight. An accident occurs during
a WAR and that means that we can allow one man to
obliterate 1.8 million innocent people ... or should we let
China get off from remembering the massacre of over 2,000
students? You can move to China or Yugoslavia but your
hypocrisy is enough to sicken even the most jaded
traveler. What is "murder" to you? An estimated 5,000 men
and women being lined up and shot before their families
then driven out by the hundreds of thousands? women Raped
in houses then shot afterwards? or is murder to you just
three people who were STUPID enough to be in Belgrade
during a war being killed by an accident? They stood a
better chance in Belgrade than a daily Pakistani bus ride
in the Karakoram so Fuck you Charlie ... oh yes, before I
go I have three words that spell out real "Murder" to
me ... Great Cultural Revolution ... so Blow me!
You are correct, it is our stupid, childish obsession to
run in and save europe from itself that got us in the
stupid loser war.
I bet if the "Targeting Specialist" that selected the
Chinese Embassy as a target on a military map had x-
reference that on a TOURIST guide map of Belgrade he would
have seen what he was targeting!
As a matter of fact my passport is currently at the Chinese
consulate awaiting a Visa stamp. So how about you blow me,
twit!
As a matter of fact you have it backwards. I don't
understand the obsession my countrymen have that makes them
think we owe europe! I don't want anything from those
bastards. Personally, I just don't CARE what happens in
Europe, PERIOD. By the way I don't own a gun and I am
sickened by the manipulation and war fever being stirred up
on "American ManipuVision".
Public Accepts Military Errors
By CALVIN WOODWARD Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - The military got little grief from the
home front when a Baghdad shelter was attacked in the
Persian Gulf War and more than 300 civilians killed in
carnage shown on TV. Support for the bombing campaign
remained overwhelming, and planners pressed ahead for the
ground war less than two weeks later.
A mistaken bombing, however horrendous, rarely throws
warriors off course, military historians say. But the attack
on the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade may be different.
In World War II, it was taken for granted that bombs would
kill mass numbers of civilians and land in unexpected
places. ``If they were lucky they could hit a city,'' war
historian Harry Summers said. ``But they were not sure
where.''
With total war going on then, few Americans stopped to worry
about German or Japanese innocents. In the Gulf War,
standards had changed, thanks to precision technology. But
the bombing of the shelter - as with the embassy
bombing, a failure of intelligence, not targeting - was seen
as an anomaly.
``We could measure progress toward the objectives,'' said
William J. Taylor Jr., at the Center for Strategic and
International Studies. People could see that the war effort
was succeeding and that mistakes in such a huge enterprise
were bound to happen.
Without that sense now, Taylor said, the embassy bombing
could interfere with the conduct of the war. ``It's going to
complicate it enormously,'' he said.
Summers, distinguished fellow at the U.S. Army War College,
said the sheer incompetence suggested by the embassy attack
may be NATO's greatest problem. ``My God, not knowing where
the Chinese Embassy is,'' he began. ``It's so gross a
malfeasance that it's almost impossible to conceive.
``There's been a relative lack of American outrage over
civilian casualties,'' he said. ``This may sensitize people
as to what's going on.''
In attacking an embassy, a nation's hallowed ground abroad,
NATO has antagonized a member of the U.N. Security Council
just as diplomacy in the United Nations was ready to play a
greater role. The attack also followed a series of targeting
accidents that have left scores of Yugoslav civilians dead,
even if the bulk of the bombing has achieved remarkable
accuracy.
``This is a much different kind of problem,'' says Richard
Betts, director of national security studies at the Council
on Foreign Relations. ``It creates a disastrous situation
with another great power.''
Moreover, it may have given Yugoslav President Slobodan
Milosevic another propaganda victory, following up on his
release of three American soldiers and preceded by his offer
Monday - dismissed by NATO - to withdraw some forces from
Kosovo.
``Milosevic is playing chess, while we're playing
checkers,'' Taylor said. ``He's always one step ahead of
us.''
When the Baghdad shelter was hit Feb. 13, 1991, U.S.
officials said it was a military command center, and they
did not know civilians were inside. They eased up on bombing
Baghdad temporarily. At least eight in 10 Americans
continued to support the air war in opinion surveys; 92
percent in one major poll said the attack was a tragedy but
unavoidable in wartime. ``That had almost no impact on
American public opinion,'' said John Mueller, who studies
the presidency and war at the University of Rochester. Even
though Americans showed little hostility to the Iraqi people
- in contrast to the vilification of Germans and Japanese in
World War II - ``their accidental killing was basically
accepted.'' With casualties from the NATO campaign
apparently fairly light, Mueller says the latest mistake may
not have great consequence in U.S. public opinion or in
NATO's ability to prosecute the air war. ``Overwhelmingly,
the thing that Americans are sensitive to is American
casualties,'' he said.
And that, he believes, was central in sapping support for
the Vietnam War. He says anti-war activists played up North
Vietnamese civilian casualties to little effect.
Historians point to no particular bombing mistake that
undermined that war. Instead, the feeling inexorably grew
among Americans that the war itself was one very bad mistake
indeed.
Uncle Sam,
Good to see your travel experiences have opened your mind
to the variety of cultures and multitude of viewpoints that
can be described by the general term Europe. I would never
consider that each U.S. citizen's opinion on Yugoslavia
would be expressed by the governments position. So one
would not expect an individual to apologize for each
citizen within a country for their government's stance.
Someone please forward the CIA the relevant LP guide for
Belgrade.
It presumabley has the address of the Chinese (and other)
embassies in it.