My apologies

This topic was created by Uncle Sam
[Sun 9 May, 18:37 Tasmanian Standard Time]

and deepest sympathies to the families and friends of the
Chinese embassy staff murdered by NATO in the name
of "PEACE". Europe sucks. Three times in one century is
three times too many. I never want to hear some eurotrash
fag tell me how much more "civilized" Europe is compared to
the rest of the world. My ass!!!!!!

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  1. wrong forum Added by: reno
    [Timestamp: Sun 9 May, 23:49 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    last time i checked this was to be a travel forum, not
    a political opinion forum. my advice is to start
    expressing your sympathy to the families of chinese
    people murdered by guess who, the chinese themselves.
    go live in el savador....



  2. this is the second post Added by: forgotten
    [Timestamp: Mon 10 May, 16:36 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    that I've found by this moron, who probably by watching
    excessive amounts of sanitised and sensationalised TV thinks
    that all of the world owes the United States..
    The 'civilised' states of course allows for no gun control,
    thereby allowing it's 'civilised' citizens to blow each
    other away at their own discretion - sounds fabulous don't
    it !!
    My apologies to americans who have a bit more in the way of
    neuron capabilities than this twerp.



  3. It's the American's faults Added by: Asian American
    [Timestamp: Tue 11 May, 3:28 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Thank you for you concern and apology but I think American
    should take most of the faults.
    -The American government bypasses UN and uses NATO as a
    vehicle to create a war in the name of "peace".
    -American jets represent 75% of the USA&NATO allies.
    -It seems it was an American jet fired three missiles to the
    Chines embassy.
    -They said it was mistake because of an outdated map from
    CIA



  4. Jingoistic Added by: Jan
    [Timestamp: Tue 11 May, 6:16 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Well whoever is responsible or in error for the bombing of
    the Chinese embassy has certainly fueled the Jingoistic
    fervor of the Chinese. This incident will be used to good
    advantage by the Chinese"powers" to meet their own obscure
    ends.
    They will use the anger/angst of the younger Chinese
    populace who suffer from political impotence to draw
    attention away from the upcoming 10th Anniversary of
    Tianamin Square, by allowing attacks on foreign embassys
    and other acts of uncontrolled rage . China will work this
    bombing to their own good and take as much time as possible
    and give as much grief as possible before accepting a
    "proper" apology.
    Can anyone deny that many innocent people have lost their
    lives during acts of Chinese agression? Agression which in
    no way could be called accidental. Their political "face"
    wants a saving now and NATO(USA being the major target)
    will be attacked until China feels it has squirmed enough.
    The whole thing stinks of politics as usual.



  5. History Added by: Info
    [Timestamp: Tue 11 May, 8:52 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    The Chinese lives, wealth and land lost to the "civilized"
    West and Japan are far more than those lost in the hands of
    Chinese and yes only "Chinese communists". However, China
    has been labeled as the "evil" and the West and Japan have
    been labeled as "angles".



  6. Who Added by: Dawn
    [Timestamp: Tue 11 May, 9:04 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Who do you see as labeling China as "evil' and the
    West/Japan as "angels"? This seems a very simplistic view
    of world history.
    Most large countries have much to be apologetic for ( poor
    old China as much as any other), but don't hold your breath
    waiting for a mea culpa. I agree with Jan. It's all
    politics and manipulation as usual.



  7. Wars Suck But Apparently So Do You ... Added by: Buckwheat
    [Timestamp: Tue 11 May, 9:41 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    ... So let me get his straight. An accident occurs during
    a WAR and that means that we can allow one man to
    obliterate 1.8 million innocent people ... or should we let
    China get off from remembering the massacre of over 2,000
    students? You can move to China or Yugoslavia but your
    hypocrisy is enough to sicken even the most jaded
    traveler. What is "murder" to you? An estimated 5,000 men
    and women being lined up and shot before their families
    then driven out by the hundreds of thousands? women Raped
    in houses then shot afterwards? or is murder to you just
    three people who were STUPID enough to be in Belgrade
    during a war being killed by an accident? They stood a
    better chance in Belgrade than a daily Pakistani bus ride
    in the Karakoram so Fuck you Charlie ... oh yes, before I
    go I have three words that spell out real "Murder" to
    me ... Great Cultural Revolution ... so Blow me!



  8. For post #3 Added by: Uncle Sam
    [Timestamp: Tue 11 May, 11:00 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    You are correct, it is our stupid, childish obsession to
    run in and save europe from itself that got us in the
    stupid loser war.



  9. For post # 1 Added by: Uncle Sam
    [Timestamp: Tue 11 May, 11:03 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    I bet if the "Targeting Specialist" that selected the
    Chinese Embassy as a target on a military map had x-
    reference that on a TOURIST guide map of Belgrade he would
    have seen what he was targeting!



  10. For post # 7 Added by: Uncle Sam
    [Timestamp: Tue 11 May, 11:04 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    As a matter of fact my passport is currently at the Chinese
    consulate awaiting a Visa stamp. So how about you blow me,
    twit!



  11. For post # 2 Added by: Uncle Sam
    [Timestamp: Tue 11 May, 11:15 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    As a matter of fact you have it backwards. I don't
    understand the obsession my countrymen have that makes them
    think we owe europe! I don't want anything from those
    bastards. Personally, I just don't CARE what happens in
    Europe, PERIOD. By the way I don't own a gun and I am
    sickened by the manipulation and war fever being stirred up
    on "American ManipuVision".



  12. Americans are sensitive to is American casualties Added by: AAA
    [Timestamp: Wed 12 May, 6:35 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Public Accepts Military Errors
    By CALVIN WOODWARD Associated Press Writer
    WASHINGTON (AP) - The military got little grief from the
    home front when a Baghdad shelter was attacked in the
    Persian Gulf War and more than 300 civilians killed in
    carnage shown on TV. Support for the bombing campaign
    remained overwhelming, and planners pressed ahead for the
    ground war less than two weeks later.
    A mistaken bombing, however horrendous, rarely throws
    warriors off course, military historians say. But the attack
    on the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade may be different.
    In World War II, it was taken for granted that bombs would
    kill mass numbers of civilians and land in unexpected
    places. ``If they were lucky they could hit a city,'' war
    historian Harry Summers said. ``But they were not sure
    where.''
    With total war going on then, few Americans stopped to worry
    about German or Japanese innocents. In the Gulf War,
    standards had changed, thanks to precision technology. But
    the bombing of the shelter - as with the embassy
    bombing, a failure of intelligence, not targeting - was seen
    as an anomaly.
    ``We could measure progress toward the objectives,'' said
    William J. Taylor Jr., at the Center for Strategic and
    International Studies. People could see that the war effort
    was succeeding and that mistakes in such a huge enterprise
    were bound to happen.
    Without that sense now, Taylor said, the embassy bombing
    could interfere with the conduct of the war. ``It's going to
    complicate it enormously,'' he said.
    Summers, distinguished fellow at the U.S. Army War College,
    said the sheer incompetence suggested by the embassy attack
    may be NATO's greatest problem. ``My God, not knowing where
    the Chinese Embassy is,'' he began. ``It's so gross a
    malfeasance that it's almost impossible to conceive.
    ``There's been a relative lack of American outrage over
    civilian casualties,'' he said. ``This may sensitize people
    as to what's going on.''
    In attacking an embassy, a nation's hallowed ground abroad,
    NATO has antagonized a member of the U.N. Security Council
    just as diplomacy in the United Nations was ready to play a
    greater role. The attack also followed a series of targeting
    accidents that have left scores of Yugoslav civilians dead,
    even if the bulk of the bombing has achieved remarkable
    accuracy.
    ``This is a much different kind of problem,'' says Richard
    Betts, director of national security studies at the Council
    on Foreign Relations. ``It creates a disastrous situation
    with another great power.''
    Moreover, it may have given Yugoslav President Slobodan
    Milosevic another propaganda victory, following up on his
    release of three American soldiers and preceded by his offer
    Monday - dismissed by NATO - to withdraw some forces from
    Kosovo.
    ``Milosevic is playing chess, while we're playing
    checkers,'' Taylor said. ``He's always one step ahead of
    us.''
    When the Baghdad shelter was hit Feb. 13, 1991, U.S.
    officials said it was a military command center, and they
    did not know civilians were inside. They eased up on bombing
    Baghdad temporarily. At least eight in 10 Americans
    continued to support the air war in opinion surveys; 92
    percent in one major poll said the attack was a tragedy but
    unavoidable in wartime. ``That had almost no impact on
    American public opinion,'' said John Mueller, who studies
    the presidency and war at the University of Rochester. Even
    though Americans showed little hostility to the Iraqi people
    - in contrast to the vilification of Germans and Japanese in
    World War II - ``their accidental killing was basically
    accepted.'' With casualties from the NATO campaign
    apparently fairly light, Mueller says the latest mistake may
    not have great consequence in U.S. public opinion or in
    NATO's ability to prosecute the air war. ``Overwhelmingly,
    the thing that Americans are sensitive to is American
    casualties,'' he said.
    And that, he believes, was central in sapping support for
    the Vietnam War. He says anti-war activists played up North
    Vietnamese civilian casualties to little effect.
    Historians point to no particular bombing mistake that
    undermined that war. Instead, the feeling inexorably grew
    among Americans that the war itself was one very bad mistake
    indeed.



  13. nice guy Added by: cowan
    [Timestamp: Sun 16 May, 14:32 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Uncle Sam,
    Good to see your travel experiences have opened your mind
    to the variety of cultures and multitude of viewpoints that
    can be described by the general term Europe. I would never
    consider that each U.S. citizen's opinion on Yugoslavia
    would be expressed by the governments position. So one
    would not expect an individual to apologize for each
    citizen within a country for their government's stance.



  14. LP Added by: Lengai (malawiman@altavista.net)
    [Timestamp: Mon 17 May, 8:42 Tasmanian Standard Time]

    Someone please forward the CIA the relevant LP guide for
    Belgrade.
    It presumabley has the address of the Chinese (and other)
    embassies in it.




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