Archive-name: net-abuse-faq/part1 Posting-Frequency: biweekly Note: this is a fine-tuned version, with many small changes throughout. A prize to the first reader to spot the fnord! POLITICS 1.1) What is news.admin.net-abuse.misc, and why was it created? 1.2) What is news.admin.net-abuse.announce, and why was it created? 1.3) What was alt.current-events.net-abuse, and why was it created? 1.4) What is net-abuse? 1.5) What is the purpose of this FAQ? 1.6) What questions does it leave unanswered? 1.7) Who's responsible for this FAQ? [revised] 1.8) Where can I get it? 1.9) I don't understand a word of this. SPAM, SPAMMERS, and MOOSES 2.1) What is Spam? 2.2) Where did the term come from? 2.3) Tell me about the Great Spammers. [revised] 2.4) Who were Canter and Siegel? 2.5) Where can I get more info on them? 2.6) What should we do about the book? 2.7) What was Larry's historic first post to a.c-e.n-a? 2.8) That doesn't make any sense. What was Larry's historic second post to a.c-e.n-a? 2.9) Who is Cancelmoose[tm]? NITTY-GRITTY 3.1) Yeah, but how many times is 'X'? 3.2) How can I tell if a post is forged? 3.3) How do I know when I've got spam on my hands? 3.4) OK, I think I've spotted a spam. Who should I mail-bomb? 3.5) OK, I think I've spotted a spam. What should I do? 3.6) What about e-mail spam? 3.7) I e-mailed a complaint to {so-and-so} about their {e-mail, post} and now they're threatening to complain to my system administrator. What should I do? 3.8) What's a cancel-bot? 3.9) Where can I get me one? 3.10) I've got one; should I cancel {spam X}? 3.11) Can I sick The Man on these MAKE.MONEY.FAST losers? GROAN 4.1) Why are you n.a.n-a people such net-cops? [mildly revised] 4.2) Hey, I think my newsgroup is being invaded by alt.syntax.tactical! 4.3) Hey, somebody posted an ad to ! 4.4) Hey, so-and-so's not being nice in ! 4.5) Hey, one of those net.cops posted an ad for ! Haw! Haw! APPENDIX [new, albeit vestigial] news.admin.net-abuse.misc charter news.admin.net-abuse.announce charter and guidelines POLITICS ======== 1.1) What is news.admin.net-abuse.misc, and why was it created? news.admin.net-abuse.misc was created to replace alt.current-events.net-abuse and news.admin.policy. The former was one of the most widely read and respectable alt.* groups, while the latter had become largely a mess of messages cross-posted from a.c-e.n-a and news.admin.misc. news.admin.net-abuse.misc is, not surprisingly, for discussions of net-abuse (see "What is net-abuse", below): definitions, occurences, objections, complaints, battle plans, peace plans... Check out their charter in the appendix. 1.2) What is news.admin.net-abuse.announce, and why was it created? At the time of the newsgroup reorganization (early 1995), a.c-e.n-a traffic amounted to dozens and dozens of messages every day. Many of these were pure speculation or kvetching, while many others were of the dreaded, hated, one-line "I saw this spam in rec.bedding.sheets, too!" breed. The messages of real importance to news admins, such as genuine spam announcements and spam-cancel announcements, were buried. Lots of people grumbled about this, and wanted a moderated group that was a digest of a.c-e.n-a. So in this writer's opinion, news.admin.net-abuse.announce's only purpose is to serve as that digest. During the voting, a couple of people were worried that the moderators of n.a.n-a.a would become some sort of legislative or judicial body. But they don't want to, and we don't want them to. Remember the Usenet way: "If they get carried away, we'll laugh at them and make fun of them and not let them play with our jacks." Check out their charter and guidelines in the appendix. 1.3) What was alt.current-events.net-abuse, and why was it created? Here's the 'charter,' or at least the text from Thomas Koenig's newgroup message of April 25, 1994: alt.current-events.net-abuse is a forum to discuss the current net abuses, such as "spamming" of Usenet by the law firm Canter & Siegel, and related issues. This disussion, at the moment, takes up most of the bandwidth in news.admin.misc and news.admin policy, and clearly merits a separate forum. It was proposed on alt.config in <2p8q9s$idl@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, and met no opposition there at all. For your newsgroups file: alt.current-events.net-abuse Usenet spamming, Green Card and the like 1.4) What is net-abuse? Since the newsgroup's inception, many curious forms of Usenet behavior have been discussed on it. Of these, spam is the one most universally accepted as 'net-abuse', which is why it gets its own section below. Other Frequently Aired Complaints are discussed throughout the FAQ. However, as Neil Pawson says, "it's for abuse *of* the net, NOT abuse *on* the net." Just because somebody does something vile, we don't necessarily want to hear about it on n.a.n-a. To qualify as true panic-inspiring net-abuse, an act must interfere with the net-use of a large number of people. Examples of this: newsgroup flooding, widespread or organized forgery campaigns, widespread or organized account hackery, widespread or organized censorship attempts... 1.5) What is the purpose of this FAQ? This FAQ is *not* intended as a comprehensive guide to netiquette. Many things that this FAQ appears to treat lightly are, in fact, extreme breaches of netiquette. The FAQ primarily attempts to answer: are these situations "net-abuse", in the sense that the whole world should hear about them? 1.6) What questions does the FAQ leave unanswered? An infinite number, featuring: * What is the Breidbart Index? (forthcoming) * Should Velveeta with a BI of 20 be cancelled? (I don't know) * What is jello? (I don't care) * Are all ads bad? (beyond the scope of this FAQ) 1.7) Who's responsible for this FAQ? It's maintained by Scott Southwick (scotty@indiana.edu). The information has been gleaned from various Usenet sources --primarily posts to the n-a groups made by a wide variety of authors-- and so the maintainer must actively disclaim all responsibilty for the veracity, advisabilty and/or legality of anything contained in the FAQ. Thanks to the following people who have contributed to it, or at least discussed its contents in a non-threatening manner: Arthur Byrne, Pekka Pirinen, Keith "Justified and Ancient" Cochran, Lamont Granquist, Victoria Fike, J.D. Falk, Steve Patlan, Wilf Leblanc, Seth Cohn, Neil Pawson, Bram Cohen, Mitchell Golden, Rahul Dhesi, Stephen Boursy, Mary Branscombe, David Cortesi, Alexander Lehmann, Greg Lindahl, Jack Hamilton, Morten Welinder, Axel Boldt, Richard Lee, an48985, Phil Pfeiffer, John van Essen, Pierre Beyssac, Michael Shields, Travis Corcoran, and several others I have undoubtedly missed. Contributions are always warmly welcomed, as are suggestions, corrections and criticism. Unfortunately, the update lag-time has been pretty fierce recently. 1.8) Where can I get it? The finished version will be posted either bi-weekly or semi-monthly (whichever you prefer) to n.a.n-a.*, alt.answers, and news.answers. It will also be available by anonymous ftp from rtfm.mit.edu and its mirror sites. A frequently out-of-date hypertext version is available at http://www-sc.ucssc.indiana.edu/~scotty/acena.html If you have trouble with that alias, try http://jalapeno.ucs.indiana.edu/~scotty/acena.html 1.9) I don't understand a single word of this. The best starting place for learning about Usenet is Indiana University's Usenet Resources page, at http://scwww.ucs.indiana.edu/NetRsc/usenet.html [I put that together at my day-job. This entry is a shameless plug for my employers.] It's got links to most Usenet primers, netiquette documents and news FAQs, Son-of-RFC-1036, some charters, newsreader man pages, &c. SPAM, SPAMMERS, and MOOSES ========================== 2.1) What is Spam? It's a luncheon meat, kinda pink, comes in a can, made by Hormel. Most Americans intuitively, viscerally associate "Spam" with "no nutritive or aesthetic value." The luncheon meat has its own newsgroup, alt.spam. The term "spam," as used on this newsgroup, means "the same article (or essentially the same article) posted an unacceptably high number of times to one or more newsgroups." CONTENT IS IRRELEVANT. 'Spam' doesn't mean "ads." It doesn't mean "abuse." It doesn't mean "posts whose content I object to." Spam is a funky name for a phenomenon that can be measured pretty objectively: did that post appear X times? (See: "Yeah, but how many is X?') There have recently been examples of "customized" spams--where each post made some effort to apply to each individual newsgroup, but the general thrust of each article was the same. A huge straw poll on news.admin.policy, news.admin.misc, and a.c-e.n-a (December 1994) showed that as many of 90% of the readers felt that cancellations for these posts were justified. So, simply put: if you plan to post the same or similar messages to dozens of newsgroups, the posts are probably going to get cancelled. If you feel that a massive multi-post you are planning constitutes an exception, you are more than welcome to run the idea past the readers of news.admin.net-abuse.misc for feedback first. It should be noted that cross-posting a single message to many newsgroups (which many call "velveeta") is definitely *not* considered cancellable spam by those who cancel spam. That doesn't mean it's always a swell idea, though, and a large cross-post will probably evoke many flames. If you *must* cross-post, set the followups to a single appropriate group by adding a header line like Followup-to: group.name.here This prevents the readers of all the groups from having to deal with the thread for weeks afterwards if the readers of only one or two of the groups take an interest in it. 2.2) Where did the term 'Spam' come from? From the Monty Python song that goes, roughly, "Spam spam spam spam, spam spam spam spam, spam spam spam spam..." See? The term wasn't first used to describe mass news posting, however. See the Hacker's Jargon File for previous uses of the word. 2.3) Tell me about the Great Spammers. So as not to duplicate effort, here's an excellent archive devoted to the various bug- and honey-bears of the Net: * The Net.Legends archive (particularly the Net.Legends FAQ) gopher://dixie.aiss.uiuc.edu:6969/11/urban.legends/net.legends * The Net.Legends FAQ (html version) http://www.shadow.net/~proub/net.legends/ (The alt.usenet.kooks Web Page has just plain old disappeared...?) Not all of the kooks and legends discussed there are spammers, or even villains. Spam fans should pay particular attention to the entries on Serdar Argic, the spiritual ancestor of today's spammers. 2.4) Who were Canter and Siegel? Unfortunately, it's "Who *are* Canter and Siegel?" They're lawyers, authors, and Usenet newbies _par excellence_. Super-newbies. Honorary Permanent Newbies. When they sit around the net, they sit *around the net*... C+S weren't the first spammers, but they were so gothically clumsy about it, and so intent on making a buck, that people were terrified and infuriated into starting this newsgroup. 2.5) Where can I get more information about them? The best archive of Canter and Siegel-related postings is maintained by C&S themselves; last time somebody checked with "ls -r", the fun-loving net.lawyers seemed to be storing every post that mentioned them (can you say "grepping for libel cases"?) If you're not C or S yourself, though, the next best info source is Thomas Leavitt's "The Canter & Siegel Report," available via anonymous ftp from ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/leavitt/ Those files are zipped. Users with access to 1990s technology should check out the WWW versions at ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/leavitt/html/cands.report.html ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/leavitt/html/candsrpt.two.html ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/leavitt/html/candsrpt.three.html There's also a wonderful article on the pair available at http://www.interlog.com/eye/News/Eyenet/CS2.html Many, many more docs are available, but I'll stop there. 2.6) What should we do about the book? What book? 2.7) What was Larry's historic first post to a.c-e.n-a? From: lcanter@cyber.sell.com (lcanter) Subject: Re: Larry and Martha Message-ID: Sender: news@cyber.sell.com (NetNews Administration) Organization: CYBERSELL -TM X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 01:38:29 GMT Lines: 12 : When Mike Godwin of the Electronic Frontiers Foundation offered the : services of the EFF to represent me (this on the heels of literally : hundreds of offers of contributions to my non-existent legal defense : fund), Canter and Siegel dropped their plans like a hot potato. *************************************************** * Laurence A. Canter lcanter@cyber.sell.com * * Cybersell -tm * * 10245 E Via Linda, Ste 222 Scottsdale AZ 85258* * Telephone (602) 661-5202 Fax (602) 451-7617 * *************************************************** 2.8) That doesn't make any sense. What was Larry's historic second post to a.c-e.n-a? From: lcanter@cyber.sell.com (lcanter) Subject: Re: Larry and Martha Message-ID: Sender: news@cyber.sell.com (NetNews Administration) Organization: CYBERSELL -TM X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 03:37:25 GMT Lines: 15 : When Mike Godwin of the Electronic Frontiers Foundation offered the : services of the EFF to represent me (this on the heels of literally : hundreds of offers of contributions to my non-existent legal defense : fund), Canter and Siegel dropped their plans like a hot potato. Really? This is complete news to us. -- *************************************************** * Laurence A. Canter lcanter@cyber.sell.com * * Cybersell -tm * * 10245 E Via Linda, Ste 222 Scottsdale AZ 85258* * Telephone (602) 661-5202 Fax (602) 451-7617 * *************************************************** 2.9) Who is Cancelmoose[tm]? Cancelmoose[tm] is, to misquote some wise poster, "the greatest public servant the net has seen in quite some time." He or she sends out spam-cancels and then posts notice anonymously to news.admin.policy, news.admin.misc, and a.c-e.n-a. The Moose stepped to the fore on its own initiative, at a time (mid 1994) when spam-cancels were irregular and disorganized, and has behaved altogether admirably-- fair, even-handed, and quick to respond to comments and criticism, all without self-aggrandizement or martyrdom. Cancelmoose[tm] appears to have near-unanimous support from the readership of all three above-mentioned groups. Nobody knows who Cancelmoose[tm] really is, and there aren't really even any good rumors. By early 1995, several others had stepped into the spam-cancel business, and appeared to be comporting themselves well, after the Moose's manner. Far fewer cancels are coming from the Moose's anonymous address now. Archive-name: net-abuse-faq/part2 Posting-Frequency: biweekly [Table of Contents for part two only:] NITTY-GRITTY 3.1) Yeah, but how many times is 'X'? 3.2) How can I tell if a post is forged? 3.3) How do I know when I've got spam on my hands? 3.4) OK, I think I've spotted a spam. Who should I mail-bomb? 3.5) OK, I think I've spotted a spam. What should I do? 3.6) What about e-mail spam? 3.7) I e-mailed a complaint to {so-and-so} about their {e-mail, post} and now they're threatening to complain to my system administrator. What should I do? 3.8) What's a cancel-bot? 3.9) Where can I get me one? 3.10) How do spam-cancellers cancel spam? 3.11) Can I sick The Man on these MAKE.MONEY.FAST losers? GROAN 4.1) Why are you net-abuse people such net-cops? 4.2) Hey, I think my newsgroup is being invaded by alt.syntax.tactical! 4.3) Hey, somebody posted an ad to ! 4.4) Hey, so-and-so's not being nice in ! 4.5) Hey, one of those net.cops posted an ad for ! Haw! Haw! APPENDIX news.admin.net-abuse.misc charter news.admin.net-abuse.misc charter and guidelines NITTY-GRITTY ============ 3.1) Yeah, but how many times is 'X'? How many posts does it take to push the spam envelope? To use up all your spam charity points? For a bare-bones spam? To trigger the raging-spam-cancellers-from-Hell? Among those who agree that spam should be defined solely by quantity, -----------------> 20 <-------------------- appears to be the magic number, or at least a number so middle-of-the-road that it provokes very little passionate dissent in either direction. Notably, Cancelmoose[tm] refuses to set a firm number, in the belief that people would simply post [X-1] messages. It's safe to say that a couple incidents of 19-post spams would cause the magic number to plummet. Thus, 20 should be considered a vague approximation only. Passionately dissenting note: Rahul Dhesi [dhesi@rahul.net], one of the fathers of the cancel-bot movement, sticks by the following definition: More than five physically distinct postings with substantially identical content posted within a period of ten days. 3.2) How can I tell if a post is forged? Sometimes it's easy to spot a forgery, sometimes it takes years of experience, and unfortunately, sometimes it's just impossible. (Note: most newsreaders don't show the entire header. Yours may have a command (e.g. 'h' in nn, 'v' in rn and trn, CTRL/h in tin, 't' in gnus, stop me) that allows you to see them in their entirety. If it doesn't, save the post to a file -- if given the choice, use 'mailbox' format. Then bring that file up in an editor.) For starters, these four sites in the header should agree: --The From: line, listing the site where the poster is. --The 'path:' line shows all the sites the message passed thru, on its way *to* you (most recent, to oldest). So the poster's site should be at (approximately) the end of that path. --The last part of the 'message ID,' which is the originating site name. --On many posts there is an "NNTP host" field, as well. The last item in the "Path" header line is the poster; working backwards, it lists the hosts the message passed through until it got to the server the reader uses. First check on a supposed forgery is whether the host that supposedly posted the message is on this list in the correct location. However, even if it were that doesn't mean it isn't a forgery since wily forgers forge part of the path line before slipping the message into the usenet. The Message-ID: is a unique id number created by the posting software. In all cases that we know of, the posting machine's ID is appended at the end of it. Sometimes, but not always, this matches the poster's account. Sometimes a slightly different machine in the domain is used for posting, and may vary slightly. But if the sites in the message-ID and the poster's account vary wildly--e.g., netcom.com and army.mil--you may be dealing with a forgery. Some other ideas: * Check the time stamps; if the site and the time zone don't agree, something might be up. * With experience, you can look at the intermediates on the 'path' and spot things that look 'funny'. If a message that purports to have come from someone in Detroit, MI, goes bouncing thru half-a-dozen sites in EUROPE, before arriving in Chicago, IL -- it's likely its a phoney origin. If you have the advantage of knowing about what sites are connected to where -- even for a few sites-- you can spot a fake if it shows routing between two machines that you *know* don't talk to each other. However, as Steve Patlan cautions: "I posted a message from Austin, TX that went through Austria.eu.net (something like that) before reaching (a newsfeed received from Rice U in) Houston, TX." * The "Organization" line, which is usually set by the site's news administrator (but can be easily changed by the poster for purposes legitimate or devious) may also contain clues. If somebody's trying to cause trouble for a particular organization, for instance, they may include it, but not get the name or address right. Of course, if the forger simply forgets to alter the Organization line, you may get clues that way also. For more information on headers, see RFC-1036, "Standard for Interchange of Usenet Messages," at http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/htbin/rfc/rfc1036.html (Thanks to Robert Bonomi, Arthur Byrne, Emma Pease, and Alan Bostick for most of this information.) (This entry comes from Indiana University's UCS Knowledge Base.) 3.3) How can I tell how many newsgroups an article was posted to? For people who can't use the classic "grepping the newsspool" method, nn or nngrab may be able to help. (The following is adapted from a posting by Lee Rudolph--thanks.) You can force the Unix newsreader nn to ignore your .newsrc and create a "merged newsgroup" consisting only of articles containing a certain word in their subject line. For instance, to gather all articles at your site containing the word "spam" in their subject line, use this command: % nngrab spam That's basically a faster version of % nn -i -s"spam" -mXx Caution: this latter method can be a long, tedious process. See the nn man page for more details. 3.4) OK, I'm certain it's spam. Who should I mail-bomb? Don't mail-bomb anybody. Harrassment is illegal everywhere. If somebody's done something truly evil, they'll get enough single responses from individuals to acheive the same effect. 3.5) OK, I'm certain it's spam. What should I do? * Check n.a.n-a.announce. If somebody's already made a definitive spotting, there's no sense in an "I've seen it, too" post. * Include a *complete* header from one copy of the spam in your post to n.a.n-a.announce. Set followups to n.a.n-a.misc. * Say how many newsgroups at your site it was posted to; list 20 or more of them. (See "How do I know how many newsgroups an article was posted to?") * Complain politely to the spammer and the Usenet administrator at the spammer's site (whose address should be "usenet@site.name"; if that fails, try "postmaster@site.name".) Request that the Usenet administrator post a response to n.a.n-a.anounce, detailing what actions have been taken. 3.6) What about e-mail spam? You can always complain about unsolicited e-mail to both the bozo that sent it to you and the bozo's postmaster. To write to a postmaster, just substitute the perp's username in their address (e.g., bozo@otherwise.lovely.com) with "postmaster" (i.e., postmaster@otherwise.lovely.com.) Please be brief and polite with the postmasters, include a copy of the e-mail you received, and leave the subject-line intact (in case the postmaster wants to set up an auto-responder.) 3.7) I e-mailed a complaint to so-and-so about their {post, mail}, and now they're threatening to complain to my system administrator. What should I do? Let your sys-admin know right away what's happening. Tell them the story, briefly. [Include the post(s) in question?] Then keep them updated on any further threats. If you're brief, polite, and on the right side, you can usually find an ally in your sys-admin. 3.8) What is a cancel-bot? First off, "cancel-bot" is an unfortunate misnomer, and one that the conventional media have understandably misunderstood. "bot" implies that something is out there, running unattended, cancelling whatever meets its nefarious qualifications... But this author knows of *no* automated cancel programs in use against any type of Usenet postings, and has never heard of such a program. All spam-cancels are sent out manually and deliberately by actual human beings. (They happen to use a program that is commonly referred to as a "cancel-bot".) A cancel-bot is a program that sends out cancel messages; you feed it the message-IDs of posts, and it sends out a cancel message for each one (see RFC 1036.) Cancel messages are normally sent out by a newsreader in response to a user's request to cancel a message, using a newsreader command, *if* the user was also the original poster of the message. Sites will ignore cancel messages that don't appear to come from the original poster. Cancel-bots work around this restriction by using header lines that make it look like the original poster sent out the cancel; they'll usually add something like a "Cancelled-By" header line as well, to keep things nominally above-board. Use of a cancel-bot against anything besides 'consensus spam' outrages people, as it should. See alt.religion.scientology for sample discussions. 3.9) Where can I get me a cancel-bot? If you have to ask, you should probably wait a while. ;} 3.10) How do the spam-cancellers cancel spam? * They make bloody sure they know how to use their cancel-bot; * They confirm the spam themselves; * They announce their action to n.a.n-a.announce. This prevents everyone from waiting around and wondering whether anyone's done anything. Here's a standard section from a cancel-notification post by the beloved Cancelmoose(TM): The $alz cancel. and Path: cyberspam conventions were followed. [The $alz convention is to create your cancel message-ID by prepending 'cancel.' to the original one. The cyberspam convention is to use- 'Path: cyberspam!usenet' so that sites that do not want your cancels can easily opt out. Please use these when cancelling spam.] 3.11) Can I sick The Man on these MAKE.MONEY.FAST losers? Americans can complain about e-mail or Usenet pyramid schemes to the FTC: STAFF CONTACT: Bureau of Consumer Protection David Medine, 202-326-3224 david.medine@wpo.ftc.gov Jeffrey S. Markowitz, 202-327-2460 jeffery.markowitz@wpo.ftc.gov Before doing so, consider seriously whether you actually want to encourage government intervention. The number of 'net cases the FTC has been involved in is very low at this point; in an ideal world, it would probably remain that way. GROAN ===== 4.1) I hate net-cops like you people. Who will watch the watchmen? net-cop.cops like this, apparently. ;} Anyways, anyone who wanted to police the net would be a pig-headed, unrealistic fool. Thankfully, we just want to shoot spam out of the sky, because * We hate it, * It feels good, and * We can. Anyways, if you don't like spam being cancelled at your site, you can have your upstream feeds alias your site to "cyberspam". 4.2) Hey, I think my group's being invaded by alt.syntax.tactical! We're sorry. Please don't bring that subject up again here. Good luck... Keith "Justified and Ancient" Cochran, who has been wrongfully accused of a.s.t involvement himself, adds: "I would suggest the first thing you do is take a chill pill." (Note that there is no second thing to do. However, you may want to pass the time reading the alt.bigfoot FAQ: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/bigfoot/top.html --particularly the part about cats.) 4.3) Hey, somebody posted an ad in {newsgroup}! So? Alright, alright: first, check to see if the post was obviously forged (see "How can I spot a forgery?") Then check to see if it's spam (see "What is Spam" and "How do I know when I've got spam on my hands?") It's probably not. We only want to hear about it if it's spam. If the ad is off-topic, and you really can't let it go, check out the advice in "Hey, so-and-so's not being nice in {newsgroup}!" 4.4) Hey, so-and-so's not being nice in {newsgroup}! Happens all the time. We don't want to hear about it. However, here are some things you can do (written by Keith "Justified and Ancient" Cochran): "The first thing to do is take it up with user@some.site. If you can't achieve a mutual understanding, then you _MIGHT_ (note, not WILL, _MIGHT_) want to mail postmaster@some.site with your complaint. If you are going to write to postmaster@some.site, be sure to include the full, unedited post you have a problem with, a short but descriptive summary of why you have a problem with it, and a short, but descriptive explanation of what you would like to have happen. "Note that this does not apply to MAKE.MONEY.FAST. If you see a copy of M.M.F, just e-mail postmaster@some.site, including the article ID, and the first paragraph of the post." 4.5) Hey, one of those net.cops posted an ad for ! Haw! Haw! ad != spam APPENDIX ======== news.admin.misc charter: news.admin.net-abuse.misc is for the discussion of possible abuses of netnews and e-mail. It is for the discussion of standards of net abuse, to suggest appropriate courses of action (if any) to net abuse and to post reports of alleged occurrences of net abuse. Relevant topics include events associated with net abuse such as: spamming (posting many individual copies of any article), excessive crossposting of non-germane articles, injection of malformed articles into the news system (broken gateways, for example), or other forms of "roboposting" involving large numbers of postings to one or more groups, forging identity of postings, forged approval to moderated groups, forged cancellation of articles including cancellation of net abuse articles, use of rmgroup/newgroup in an abusive manner, large-scale mailings to mailing lists or other mail-bombing, deciding what isn't net abuse, general issues of netiquette, methods for resolving conflicts, proposed blacklists and boycotts, "renegade" sites, etc. Postings include news reports, reviews, and conferences, and net-abuse FAQs. Although commercial posts are not inherently net-abuse, proper methods of posting commercial material are within the scope of this group. news.admin.net-abuse.announce charter and guidelines: news.admin.net-abuse.announce Charter and Guidelines 1. What topics are relevant to this group? Events associated with net abuse, such as: - posting many individual copies of any article. Or, excessive crossposting of non-germane articles. - injection of malformed articles into the news system (broken gateways, for example), or other forms of "roboposting" involving large numbers of postings to one or more groups. - Forging identity of postings - Forged approval to moderated groups - Forged cancellation of articles not included above. Note that cancellation of net abuse articles is also relevant to the topic of net abuse. - Use of rmgroup/newgroup in an abusive manner - large-scale mailings to mailing lists or other mail-bombing Postings to this group may also include announcements relevant to the topic of net abuse, such as news reports, reviews, and conferences, and possible net-abuse FAQs. The purpose of this group is not to decide the guilt or innocence of any parties, but rather to simply report on the activity (much like the crime section found in many local newspapers). It must be kept clear that the net is a new legal area, but it is also one with a lot of unwritten rules. The moderators are in no way are attempting to act as judges, lawyers, or mediators. 2. Posting of reports of this kind of activity in no way implies that net-wide cancellation of such articles are to be encouraged. How local news admins deal with such incidents is strictly up to them. The moderators of this group should not be held responsible for actions taken by others in response to articles posted to news.admin.net-abuse.announce. 3. No moderator will engage in the following activities: - cancellation of any posts other than ones posted by them, excepting articles with forged approval to newsgroups they moderate or, if they are a news admin, posts originating from their site (following the local site's procedures). - Sending of "mailbombs", threats, abusive e-mail, or other attacks in response to alleged net abuse. 4. We are committed to providing accurate information regarding events related to net abuse (with emphasis on Usenet) in a timely manner. However, as we the moderators must often rely on the reports of others, whenever we have not confirmed a report ourselves we will state so in the posting. 5. Right of Reply. If posts have been made in this group concerning an individual's alleged net abuse and the individual and/or site from which it originated have suffered negative consequences in the form of articles cancelled, accounts cancelled, or substantial negative email; then the individual and site each have the right to one (but no more than one) reply for the purpose of justification, rebuttal, or reports of actions taken to correct or cancel the alleged abuse. 6. Examples of inappropriate postings: - redundant reports of events - Trivial events, for example "Hey, this guy posted an ad to comp.sys.xyz!" 7. Administravia - Approval of postings will be made by a team of moderators. - Change of moderators will be made by majority. Forcible removal of a moderator will be by consensus of remaining moderators. - Any rule changes will be made by majority of the moderators. Initial moderators: David Barr Joel Furr Paul Phillips Abby Franquemont-Guillory