Hi Matt,

> > CPL - Cats Protection League, right and the PDSA, hmmm Portable
> > Dumpling Suet Association.  Hmmm perhaps not, what's the PDSA Matt?
 I
> > honestly don't mind where the cash would be donated; just so long as
> > it's a worthy cause, these two seem that.
> 
> People's Dispensary for Sick Animals. It's Animal Hospital, but
without
> Rolf Harris. A lot more deserving than the RSPCA, as it deals with
sick
> ickle animals what get hit by cars and fings, instead of daft
"homeless"
> puppies and rescuing snakes from sewers.

Oooh, I haven't heard of it I admit.  Sounds worthy though; we gave to
a humanitarian cause last year so what about a, ummm, animal-ian :)
cause this year?   

All the best,

Nick.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Lamburn [mailto:oruk-amigan@excite.com]
> Sent: 03 March 2000 13:19
> To: afb@eGroups.com
> Subject: [afb] Re: type of mag?
> 
> Hi Robert,
> 
> This is the best bit, c'est gratuit! :)  FREE! :)  Delivered 
> in about a
> week and you have an instant library to impress visitors... :)
> > 
> > > Oh and Farnell have some lovely 100MHz Crystal 
> Oscillators and some
> > > super duper fans and heatsinks quoted as ideal for Motorola 68040-
> > > might be worth a go! :)) 
> > 
> > Wooohooo! What's the cost?!?!?! :)
> 
> Well, not cheap admitedly, though most 40MHz 68040s (true XC68040RC40)
> can indeed cope at 50MHz with the right cooling precautions.  With a
> stonking great big heatsink and fan; you're away! :)

<WORRIED CAUSE="David McMinn's post"> You sure? </WORRIED>
-- 
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

Hi Ben,

> > I reckon it's a great idea for us to donate money to a wortyhy
cause;
> > and we could get one of those heeeerrrrruge :) cheques from the
banks
> > which could have the money, signed by 'Amiga Format' :)  Hee Hee. 
> > Seriously, I reckon it's a really nice idea, and something I would
> > support greatly.  Usual address Ben? :)
> 
> It'd be a cheque signed by me (if it's like last year) on behalf of
afb
> members all over the world. My personal choice for a charity would be
> Mozambique right now - some of those folk have never even seen a
> helicopter, so I don't think many are AF subscriber, but since their
> government is doing nothing to help its own people, perhaps we
should...

I couldn't agree more actually, i know it's only a little (in
comparison to what is called for), but it would be so great to help
these people who are unfortunate enough to be caught up in a natural
catastophe like this.  Giving these people some hope is the least WE
can do.  I may moan about how things are sometimes for me; but when I
see people like those in Mozambique, it makes me realise how much I
take for granted.  I think this is a great idea.
 
> >> I'd like to think we could raise double that original =A350 this
year.
> 
> > I'd like to think that 200 out of the 900 could donate at least =A31
each
> > for a total of =A3200 minus the ad removal costs, it'd be great!
> 
> It would, wouldn't it...

In an ideal world yes, so come on afb members, do the right thing, do
the good thing and donate just a measly =A31 or more if you have large
pockets :) and help these people who need it, well if that's who we
decide to donate to, I'm sure the aid agencies would be extremely
grateful.  Seriously, Ben where do you want me to send the money?  afb
Charity Appeal, Amiga Format, 30 Monmouth Street, Bath, Somerset. BA1
2BW?   I'll pop it in the post tonight if poss or Monday, let me know,
I want to help! :)

All the best,

Nick.

Hi,

> <WORRIED CAUSE="David McMinn's post"> You sure? </WORRIED>

Well if a 16 year old student, aka Me :) can get a set of catalogues
sent to him, then I think you can.  At least when I order I could use
my dad's motor mechanic business name if need be! :)  But it worked
this time...  And I have ordered said crystal this morning with no
probs.. 

All the best,

Nick.

Hi Nick,

> In an ideal world yes, so come on afb members, do the right thing, do
> the good thing and donate just a measly =A31 or more if you have large
> pockets :) and help these people who need it, well if that's who we
> decide to donate to, I'm sure the aid agencies would be extremely
> grateful.  Seriously, Ben where do you want me to send the money?  afb
> Charity Appeal, Amiga Format, 30 Monmouth Street, Bath, Somerset. BA1
> 2BW?   I'll pop it in the post tonight if poss or Monday, let me know,
> I want to help! :)

That's fine. Thanks Nick.

All the best,
-- =

Ben Vost (x2337)        /PGP key available/        T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Stuff happens to thing due to whatever

Hi Ben,

> > In an ideal world yes, so come on afb members, do the right thing,
do
> > the good thing and donate just a measly =A31 or more if you have large
> > pockets :) and help these people who need it, well if that's who we
> > decide to donate to, I'm sure the aid agencies would be extremely
> > grateful.  Seriously, Ben where do you want me to send the money? 
afb
> > Charity Appeal, Amiga Format, 30 Monmouth Street, Bath, Somerset.
BA1
> > 2BW?   I'll pop it in the post tonight if poss or Monday, let me
know,
> > I want to help! :)
> 
> That's fine. Thanks Nick.

I like to help where I can, and this is where I can help.

All the best,

Nick.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Lamburn [mailto:oruk-amigan@excite.com]
> Sent: 03 March 2000 13:31
> To: afb@eGroups.com
> Subject: [afb] Re: type of mag?
> 
> > <WORRIED CAUSE="David McMinn's post"> You sure? </WORRIED>
> 
> Well if a 16 year old student, aka Me :) can get a set of catalogues
> sent to him, then I think you can.  At least when I order I could use
> my dad's motor mechanic business name if need be! :)  But it worked
> this time...  And I have ordered said crystal this morning with no
> probs.. 

One order in the name of "Enigma Systems (A Division of NetWorking UK)"
Coming right up! :))

Yes, in case you're wondering, It's my company name... TBH, I don't know
anyone who doesn't have one. :)
-- 
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Lamburn [mailto:oruk-amigan@excite.com]
> Sent: 03 March 2000 13:34
> To: afb@eGroups.com
> Subject: [afb] Re: AFB Adverts - Whats the cost/subber?
> 
> > > AFB Charity Appeal, Amiga Format, 30 Monmouth Street, Bath, 
> > > Somerset. BA1 2BW?
> > > I'll pop it in the post tonight if poss or Monday, let me know,
> > > I want to help! :)
> > 
> > That's fine. Thanks Nick.
> 
> I like to help where I can, and this is where I can help.

I've noted down the address (It looks hauntingly familiar), and a Cheque (Or
would cash be better?) Will be in the post tonite.
-- 
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

Hi Robert,

> I've noted down the address (It looks hauntingly familiar), and a Cheque
> (Or would cash be better?) Will be in the post tonite.

Cash would be better since I'll be paying eGroups and the chairty by card or
cheque and having cash means I can either use it as petty cash, or pay it
into my account.

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)        /PGP key available/        T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Q: What do you call a man with a number plate stuck to his forehead?
A: Reg

Hi Robert,

> One order in the name of "Enigma Systems (A Division of NetWorking
UK)"
> Coming right up! :))

:))

> Yes, in case you're wondering, It's my company name... TBH, I don't
know
> anyone who doesn't have one. :)

Well I have one too 'Omega Research UK', formerly 'Omega Software',
which was founded in 1993.  Essentially: An Amiga sofware development
company. :)  I suppose I could go under that name! :)

All the best,

Nick.

Hi,

> I've noted down the address (It looks hauntingly familiar), and a
Cheque (Or
> would cash be better?) Will be in the post tonite.

Great Robert, we have something going here! Superb, this is simply
great, an online computing community helping our charities, the first
one perhaps? Brilliant, remember send it to Ben at AF, not me! :))

All the best,

Nick. 

Hello
 People with PPC cards and quake may like to try Interesting Weapons
Quake, which can be found at http://dreamwater.com/game/lth/
Its rather good and is (supposedly) more optimised than the origional.
</plug>

-curry

-- 
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Doctor McCoy is unable to connect his brain.
Sweating and straining, well it seemed so simple at the time..."
-Semisonic

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Lamburn [mailto:oruk-amigan@excite.com]
> Sent: 03 March 2000 13:39
> To: afb@eGroups.com
> Subject: [afb] Re: type of mag?
> 
> > One order in the name of "Enigma Systems (A Division of NetWorking
> UK)"
> > Coming right up! :))
> 
> :))
> 
> > Yes, in case you're wondering, It's my company name... TBH, I don't
> know
> > anyone who doesn't have one. :)
> 
> Well I have one too 'Omega Research UK', formerly 'Omega Software',
> which was founded in 1993.  Essentially: An Amiga sofware development
> company. :)  I suppose I could go under that name! :)

"Enigma Systems" was originally established in 1988, when I wrote a
rudimentary database program in C=64 Basic.
In 1992, however, Enigma Systems fell into financial difficulty and a merger
with AR Computers took place early 1993, the two companies forming
"NetWorking UK". While each company keeps copyrights and intellectual
property rights to all the individual things they do, any co-operative work
is done under the name NetWorking.

All true.

AR Computers is my friend's company. :)
-- 
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Vost [mailto:ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 March 2000 13:38
> To: afb@egroups.com
> Subject: [afb] Re: AFB Adverts - Whats the cost/subber?
> 
> Cash would be better since I'll be paying eGroups and the 
> chairty by card or
> cheque and having cash means I can either use it as petty 
> cash, or pay it
> into my account.

In that case, Note(s) are in the post now. :)
-- 
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

Hi Robert,
 
> In that case, Note(s) are in the post now. :)

Ooooh! :)  Lots of money, you have biiiiiig pockets... :))  Seriously,
that was very kind of you.  All that remains is for me to now send my
cash... :)  I hope it was two =A350 notes though Robert! :)))

All the best,

Nick.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Lamburn [mailto:oruk-amigan@excite.com]
> Sent: 03 March 2000 14:10
> To: afb@eGroups.com
> Subject: [afb] Re: AFB Adverts - Whats the cost/subber?
>=20
> > In that case, Note(s) are in the post now. :)
>=20
> Ooooh! :)  Lots of money, you have biiiiiig pockets... :))  =
Seriously,
> that was very kind of you.  All that remains is for me to now send my
> cash... :)  I hope it was two =A350 notes though Robert! :)))

Nah. I don't have any =A350's... it is(was) 2 =A320's instead.
--=20
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

On Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:17:13 +0000, Ben Vost (ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk) wrote:

> It'd be a cheque signed by me (if it's like last year) on behalf of afb
> members all over the world. My personal choice for a charity would be
> Mozambique right now - some of those folk have never even seen a
> helicopter, so I don't think many are AF subscriber, but since their
> government is doing nothing to help its own people, perhaps we should...

I'm in agreeance with this charity - where do I send my dosh to?

Kev



-- 
Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 56332267, redver5 on AIM

On Fri, 03 Mar 2000 05:08:54 -0800, Nick Lamburn (oruk-amigan@excite.com) wrote:

> > The PDSA or the CPL gets my vote..
> 
> Let me guess.... :)
> 
> CPL - Cats Protection League, right and the PDSA, hmmm Portable
> Dumpling Suet Association.  Hmmm perhaps not, what's the PDSA Matt?  I
> honestly don't mind where the cash would be donated; just so long as
> it's a worthy cause, these two seem that.

People's Dispensary for Sick Animals

Kev

-- 
Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 56332267, redver5 on AIM

Hi Kevin,

> I'm in agreeance with this charity - where do I send my dosh to?

Agreeance? Send it here, to the usual address, with afb on the envelellyope.

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)        /PGP key available/        T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
*Scorpio*: /(Oct 24-Nov 21)/ If you continue to be persistent in asking 
Dr. Love, he'll eventually answer. Then you'll be really sorry.

On Fri, 03 Mar 2000 14:24:38 +0000, Ben Vost (ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk) wrote:
> Hi Kevin,

'lo

> > I'm in agreeance with this charity - where do I send my dosh to?
> 
> Agreeance? Send it here, to the usual address, with afb on the envelellyope.

Are you in work tomorrow?  Probably not, but I'll send it first class
anyway ...

Hmmm, I need to visit the cash machine first!

Kev

-- 
Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 56332267, redver5 on AIM

> > Yes, in case you're wondering, It's my company name... TBH, I don't
> > know anyone who doesn't have one. :)
> 
> Well I have one too 'Omega Research UK', formerly 'Omega Software',
> which was founded in 1993.  Essentially: An Amiga sofware development
> company. :)  I suppose I could go under that name! :)

I have a better, more modern sounding 'company' name:

kittycat.co.uk

I know you like it already, Nick ;)

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi Robert,

> > ... :)  I hope it was two =A350 notes though Robert! :)))
> 
> Nah. I don't have any =A350's... it is(was) 2 =A320's instead.

One word:

Feck. 

Well I think that's Very generous of you, great! :)

All the best,

Nick.

Hi,

> > Well I have one too 'Omega Research UK', formerly 'Omega Software',
> > which was founded in 1993.  Essentially: An Amiga sofware
development
> > company. :)  I suppose I could go under that name! :)
> 
> I have a better, more modern sounding 'company' name:
> 
> kittycat.co.uk
> 
> I know you like it already, Nick ;)

Yeah, it's a neat name, not one I had in my head in 1993 I'd admit, and
not being a cat owner I don't tend think of Kitty Cat, but none the
less it's a neat name and a great domain! :)

All the best,

Nick.

Hi Kevin,

> Hmmm, I need to visit the cash machine first!

Gawwwwd, everyone has loadsa money, imagine it 'Online Community: afb
aka Amiga Format Bulletin is the first said community to donate to
charities!' A great headline for any paper or indeed a great TV news
article! :))

Well, a cash machine is no use to anyone if the bank account in
question has no money anyway! :)  (Apart from a bout =A320,
whoop-de-whoop! :)  However; I have a nice stash at home, and these
people in Mozambique are worth me sending something to help.

Here's a challenge:

We have 900 subscribers, let's raise =A3500! :)  Go on, we can do it!! It
makes perfect sense and it'll be quite an achievement, sounds like
we've made more than =A350 already... :)  Excellent!

All the best,

Nick.

Hi peeps!

I'll keep it short, I know buying a PC I was asking
for trouble.  Well I was trying to optisimise the
machine by fiddling with the BIOS set-up and I seem to
have buggered the computer, it won't boot up anymore
and I don't know how to access the set-up to fix it,
hmmn.  Any one who can help me please email me off the
list.   Sorry for the OT post but you guys are
generally clued up on most things!

DAN

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> Hi peeps!
> 
> I'll keep it short, I know buying a PC I was asking
> for trouble.  Well I was trying to optisimise the
> machine by fiddling with the BIOS set-up and I seem to
> have buggered the computer, it won't boot up anymore
> and I don't know how to access the set-up to fix it,
> hmmn. 

<Nelson> Ha ha! </Nelson>

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

On Fri, 03 Mar 2000 06:49:37 -0800, Nick Lamburn (oruk-amigan@excite.com) wrote:
> Hi Kevin,

'lo

> We have 900 subscribers, let's raise 500! :)  Go on, we can do it!! It
> makes perfect sense and it'll be quite an achievement, sounds like
> we've made more than 50 already... :)  Excellent!

I don't mind aiming for that goal, especially as i'm now not paying 100 a
month for phone bills ....

Kev

PS Are these donations tax deductable, Ben?  ;-)

-- 
Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 56332267, redver5 on AIM

Hi all you afb-ers, please read this short message, it's very important...

Event: afb Charity Appeal
Date:  Saturday March 04, 2000
Time:  12:00 am
Description: Not only can you help to rid afb of the ads again, but you can=
 also help out a charity with a kind donation.  All we ask is a measly =A31 or=
 more if you can afford it, with your generosity we can help the poor people=
 in Mozambique which has suffered complete devistation with many family's in=
 isolation in the middle of a completely flooded country.  Do the good thing=
, do the RIGHT thing and just lend a hand.

Donations should be sent to the usual AF address.

Thank-you so much!

To add this event to your personal calendar, simply click on the following =
link:
http://www.egroups.com/cal?md=3Dcopy&prevMd=3Dw&day=3D11020&eid=3D703315

If you have any other comments, you can reply to this message.

eGroups.com Calendar

Hi Kevin,

> PS Are these donations tax deductable, Ben?  ;-)

It doesn't seem so if you're on PAYE like me. Mind you tax is something I
don't keep a very careful track of. I'm sure I could claim back a bunch of
my purchases on the ground that "I use them for my work as a journalist"...

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)        /PGP key available/        T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
*Scorpio*: /(Oct 24-Nov 21)/ Though you're basically a good person,
you have the habit of looking to strange, random sources for advice.

On Fri, 03 Mar 2000 14:58:14 +0000, Ben Vost (ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk) wrote:
> Hi Kevin,

'lo

> > PS Are these donations tax deductable, Ben?  ;-)
> 
> It doesn't seem so if you're on PAYE like me. Mind you tax is something I
> don't keep a very careful track of. I'm sure I could claim back a bunch of
> my purchases on the ground that "I use them for my work as a journalist"...

I am, so they wont be.  Oh well, who cares?  You probably could get a lot
of tax back, but I guess you'd have to put them through work expenses or
something and then it all gets complicated ...

I know, I have difficulty getting arrangements made for hotel accomodation
in Reading, and I have to travel down from Wigan  :(

Kev

-- 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Lamburn [mailto:oruk-amigan@excite.com]
> Sent: 03 March 2000 14:50
> To: afb@eGroups.com
> Subject: [afb] Re: AFB Adverts - Whats the cost/subber?
>=20
> > Hmmm, I need to visit the cash machine first!
>=20
> Gawwwwd, everyone has loadsa money, imagine it 'Online Community: afb
> aka Amiga Format Bulletin is the first said community to donate to
> charities!' A great headline for any paper or indeed a great TV news
> article! :))
>=20
> Here's a challenge:
>=20
> We have 900 subscribers, let's raise =A3500! :)  Go on, we can=20
> do it!! It
> makes perfect sense and it'll be quite an achievement, sounds like
> we've made more than =A350 already... :)  Excellent!

I'll start work on the Thermometer for AF Towers right away. :)
--=20
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

Hi Robert,

> I'll start work on the Thermometer for AF Towers right away. :)

Perhaps it can be something I'll add to the new website when it goes online
in about a week...

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)        /PGP key available/        T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
How did the fool and his money get together in the first place?

> > I'll start work on the Thermometer for AF Towers right away. :)
> 
> Perhaps it can be something I'll add to the new website when 
> it goes online in about a week...

Webshite? Where?

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Vost [mailto:ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 March 2000 15:04
> To: afb@egroups.com
> Subject: [afb] Re: AFB Adverts - Whats the cost/subber?
> 
> Hi Robert,

Hi Ben,

> > I'll start work on the Thermometer for AF Towers right away. :)
> 
> Perhaps it can be something I'll add to the new website when 
> it goes online
> in about a week...

So you'd want it written in Perl, using SSI's and automatically updating...
right?
-- 
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

Hi M.,

>>> I'll start work on the Thermometer for AF Towers right away. :)
>> 
>> Perhaps it can be something I'll add to the new website when 
>> it goes online in about a week...

> Webshite? Where?

Wait'n'see. (like salt'n'shake, but better)

All the best,
-- 
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Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12,345,678,987,654,321

Hello,

> >> When Amiga Shopper went to staples it only lasted about another 3
> >> months tell me the same thing isn't going to happen with AF
> > 
> > It lasted nearly a year, didn't it?
> 
> I'll try not to read anything into that :-)

No magazine thus far has ever been 'revived' once it's reached the
stapled stage as far as I know.  I remeber how Amiga Power went.  Very
radidly; the pages just fell off the thing, and then one day it was
gone.  

However AF has been diminishing very gradually.  It's been years since
AF was fat and healthy, in those happy days when we got free things,
like books.  We haven't had any free (2nd) CDs for over 2 years now. 
The number of pages is only diminishing very slowly (over a matter of
years) and the price hasn't changed for ages.

So I reckon AF can hold out for a good while yet, at least until the
new Amiga revolution happens, of course. ;-)

--
Colin Buchanan
Heriot-Watt University

> > Webshite? Where?
> 
> Wait'n'see. (like salt'n'shake, but better)

Can you still get them down in Bath then? Salt n Shake 
crisps, I mean..

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi Robert,

>> Perhaps it can be something I'll add to the new website when 
>> it goes online
>> in about a week...

> So you'd want it written in Perl, using SSI's and automatically
> updating... right?

Nope. I'll do a table with a percentage <TD>. I'll have to update it anyway,
so that'll be the simplest way of doing it. Besides which, I don't have cgi
access on my website yet.

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)        /PGP key available/        T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
*Libra*: /(Sept 23--Oct 23)/ Your own special brand of justice turns
out to just be shooting people.

> Nope. I'll do a table with a percentage <TD>. I'll have to 
> update it anyway, so that'll be the simplest way of doing it.
> Besides which, I  don't have cgi access on my website yet.

It'd be better if you drew a block of colour and shaped an
IMaGe to fit the size inside the table, 'cos the table thing
doesn't always work on all browsers..

Say the maximum is 200 pixels, that way it's easy to work
out the percentage. You only need a 10x10 graphic to
"spread"..

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:07:34 -0000, Sealey, M. (mws2@leicester.ac.uk) wrote:

> > Wait'n'see. (like salt'n'shake, but better)
> 
> Can you still get them down in Bath then? Salt n Shake 
> crisps, I mean..

You can still get themn in Wigan (I think) ... they're the Seabrook ones
aren't they?

Kev

-- 
Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 56332267, redver5 on AIM

Hi M.,

>> Nope. I'll do a table with a percentage <TD>. I'll have to 
>> update it anyway, so that'll be the simplest way of doing it.
>> Besides which, I  don't have cgi access on my website yet.

> It'd be better if you drew a block of colour and shaped an
> IMaGe to fit the size inside the table, 'cos the table thing
> doesn't always work on all browsers..

> Say the maximum is 200 pixels, that way it's easy to work
> out the percentage. You only need a 10x10 graphic to
> "spread"..

Yeah, that's fine too. Thanks for the tip.

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)        /PGP key available/        T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
*Capricorn*: /(Dec 22-Jan 19)/ Next week will bring great monetary 
and emotional reward. It's a shame you won't be there to see it.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sealey, M. [mailto:mws2@leicester.ac.uk]
> Sent: 03 March 2000 15:10
> To: 'afb@egroups.com'
> Subject: [afb] Re: AFB Adverts - Whats the cost/subber?
> 
> > Nope. I'll do a table with a percentage <TD>. I'll have to 
> > update it anyway, so that'll be the simplest way of doing it.
> > Besides which, I  don't have cgi access on my website yet.
> 
> It'd be better if you drew a block of colour and shaped an
> IMaGe to fit the size inside the table, 'cos the table thing
> doesn't always work on all browsers..
> 
> Say the maximum is 200 pixels, that way it's easy to work
> out the percentage. You only need a 10x10 graphic to
> "spread"..

That's all I'd've suggested anyway, but surely a 1x1 Red GIF would do. you
can strech it in any direction, and it's MUCH faster to load. :)
-- 
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

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> > It'd be better if you drew a block of colour and shaped an
> > IMaGe to fit the size inside the table, 'cos the table thing
> > doesn't always work on all browsers..
> 
> > Say the maximum is 200 pixels, that way it's easy to work
> > out the percentage. You only need a 10x10 graphic to
> > "spread"..
> 
> Yeah, that's fine too. Thanks for the tip.

I'll even send you a "bar" graphic - it's only 177 bytes so I
can't see anyone complaining (I drew it for a horizontal bar)

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester



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> > Say the maximum is 200 pixels, that way it's easy to work
> > out the percentage. You only need a 10x10 graphic to
> > "spread"..
> 
> That's all I'd've suggested anyway, but surely a 1x1 Red GIF 
> would do. you can strech it in any direction, and it's MUCH
> faster to load. :)

How's that then? A 1x1 gif is no smaller in practical terms than
a 10x10 one, if you only have one colour you'll add a paultry
10 bytes or so IF THAT. And seeing as most PPP transfers are
1500 bytes long..

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

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> > That's all I'd've suggested anyway, but surely a 1x1 Red GIF 
> > would do. you can strech it in any direction, and it's MUCH
> > faster to load. :)
> 
> How's that then? A 1x1 gif is no smaller in practical terms than
> a 10x10 one, if you only have one colour you'll add a paultry
> 10 bytes or so IF THAT. And seeing as most PPP transfers are
> 1500 bytes long..

Okay, just to prove it, here's a 1x1 and a 10x10 red gif to prove
the loading speed difference is negligable.. (GIF89a, 1 bitplane, 
non-interlaced)

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester



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On Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 07:07:47AM -0800, Colin Buchanan wrote:
 
> No magazine thus far has ever been 'revived' once it's reached the
> stapled stage as far as I know.  I remeber how Amiga Power went.  Very
> radidly; the pages just fell off the thing, and then one day it was
> gone.  
> 
> However AF has been diminishing very gradually.  It's been years since
> AF was fat and healthy, in those happy days when we got free things,
> like books.  We haven't had any free (2nd) CDs for over 2 years now. 
> The number of pages is only diminishing very slowly (over a matter of
> years) and the price hasn't changed for ages.
> 
I reckon AF can hold out for ages yet... Anyone seen the state of the
Acorn User's Mag? They've been staples for a good while now, have no
floppy edition any more, and only mount a cover CD every 2 months or so,
because they "are afraid of exhausting the Risc-OS Public software
archives."
Yet they're still going. I'd say with confidence that AF has a good while
yet till it even reaches that state...

Rob

Hi there!  Could you answer this question?
Q: BT, Telewest & others are to provide flat rate dialup 'net access(24/7)s=
oon.
What's your opinion 

----

Please select one of the following:

   o Use the BT package (=A334.99 a month)
   o Use the Telewest package (=A315 a month)
   o Continue to use my "Free" ISP
   o Continue to use my "Traditional" ISP
   o Don't Know


by going to the following Web form:

   http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=3D952097011532&listname=3Dafb

Thank you!

On Fri, 03 Mar 2000 07:23:31 -0800,  (rosswhiteford@yahoo.com) wrote:
> Hi there!  Could you answer this question?
> Q: BT, Telewest & others are to provide flat rate dialup 'net access(24/7)soon.
> What's your opinion 

> AFB: All polls MUST have dates

Oh, and the Telewest deal is 10 a month, not 15 ... you don't count line
rental with teh BT deal, do you?

Thought not ...

Kev

-- 
Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 56332267, redver5 on AIM

03/3/00 What's your view on the Flat Rate dialup 'net access soon to be off=
ered by BT, Telewest and others? What will you use?

----

Please select one or more of the following:

   o Use the BT package (=A334.99 a month)
   o Use the Telewest system (=A315 a month)
   o Use my "Free" ISP
   o Use my "Traditional" ISP
   o Don't Know
   o I live in a Telewest area
   o I live in a BT area
   o I live elsewhere


by going to the following Web form:

   http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=3D952097689267&listname=3Dafb

Thank you!

"kevin fairhurst" <redver-@cableinet.co.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=3D49880
> On Fri, 03 Mar 2000 07:23:31 -0800,  (rosswhiteford@yahoo.com) wrote:
> > Hi there!  Could you answer this question?
> > Q: BT, Telewest & others are to provide flat rate dialup 'net
access(24/7)soon.
> > AFB: All polls MUST have dates
> 
> Oh, and the Telewest deal is =A310 a month, not =A315 ... you don't count
line
> rental with teh BT deal, do you?
> 
> 
> Kev
> 

Apologies about that ;)

The new poll DOES have a date, but the Telewest deal is still shown as
=A315 a month, Sorry all!

I need to port some code, but there is a load of it talking to serial
ports and i can't figure it out. Help me pleas, coz once it runs, we'll
have support for more that 100 digital cameras!
Simon Hall

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rosswhiteford@yahoo.com [mailto:rosswhiteford@yahoo.com]
> Sent: 03 March 2000 15:35
> To: afb@egroups.com
> Subject: [afb] POLL: Flat rate internet access
>=20
> 03/3/00 What's your view on the Flat Rate dialup 'net access=20
> soon to be offered by BT, Telewest and others? What will you use?
>=20
> Please select one or more of the following:
>=20
>    * Use the BT package (=A334.99 a month)
>    * Use the Telewest system (=A315 a month)
>    * Use my "Free" ISP
>    * Use my "Traditional" ISP
>    * Don't Know
>    * I live in a Telewest area
>    * I live in a BT area
>    X I live elsewhere

In a Cable & Wireless area... althouhg haven't they been taken over by
Telewest???
That's what I heard...
--=20
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

> I need to port some code, but there is a load of it talking to serial
> ports and i can't figure it out. Help me pleas, coz once it 
> runs, we'll have support for more that 100 digital cameras!

How do you work that out then?

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

robert johnston <rjohnsto-@simply.co.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=49884
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rosswhiteford@yahoo.com [mailto:rosswhiteford@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: 03 March 2000 15:35
> > To: afb@egroups.com
> > Subject: [afb] POLL: Flat rate internet access
> > 
> > 03/3/00 What's your view on the Flat Rate dialup 'net access 
> > soon to be offered by BT, Telewest and others? What will you use?
> > 
> > Please select one or more of the following:
> > 
> >    X I live elsewhere
> 
> In a Cable & Wireless area... althouhg haven't they been taken over by
> Telewest???
> That's what I heard...
> -- 

Hi Robert!

I thought C&W had been taken over by NTL?

Maybe not, Thanks for replying to the poll!

Ben & Co.

Great Idea about the Mozambique Appeal.

I would like to contribute a fiver (it's all I've got)
However I am concerned about sending money by post.

Can I send Ben a cheque made payable to himself?

Cheers, 

Mikey C

Hi Mikey,

> Great Idea about the Mozambique Appeal.
> 
> I would like to contribute a fiver (it's all I've got)
> However I am concerned about sending money by post.
> 
> Can I send Ben a cheque made payable to himself?

I'm sure Ben won't mind. :)  It doesn't matter how much you send; the
thing is thus: no matter how little you give, if you give it with
thought then it counts as much as anyone else. :)

Thanks for your generosity! :)

All the best,

Nick.

Hello Matt;


> Okay, just to prove it, here's a 1x1 and a 10x10 red gif to
> prove the loading speed difference is negligable.. (GIF89a, 1 
> bitplane, non-interlaced)


 Look Matt, I really must complain. It`s not right that I should 
have to download files that you attach, especially as they came 
to about 100 bytes in size and I`m on a fast Uni connection.

 tsk, kids these days

 Dvaid Steele

Hello erm... myself,

Does nobody care? Or do you all just have a lack of essential MMULib
knowledge? ;-)

Hey Ben,

How about a two page spread sometime next issue (or next)
about programs still available that can run on an emulated 68k mac.

Obviously the Mac is old PPC stuff nowadays but perhaps looking at
stuff that is available on budget labels?  (are there any on the Mac?)

I'm thinking of old 68k games that may now be on a budget release or
perhaps 
even some apps, like word processors etc.

What does any one else think?

Regards

Mikey C

On 03-Mar-00 Neil Bothwick wrote:

> The URL must be quoted ('index.htm'), it's a string literal. Without
> the quotes JavaScript will be lloking for the HTML property of the
> object INDEX.

That was what I first tried, but I got a weird "function argument
expected" error with IBrowse highlighting the first of the -signs.
However, as I tried again today, this time pasting a -sign from a
PC-created page. it worked. It appears my -sign has a different ASCII
(or something) value and the JS parser does not accept it. I am unable
to get the proper quote-sign out of my keyboard as it is a PC one
connected to Power Tower. :( (installing a Finnish keymap did not help)

But, the JS redirection works now. Thanks!

>    top.location.replace('index.html');
>    top.mainframe.location.replace(location.href);

I assume I should replace the mainframe bit with the correct name of the
frame? I am getting an error on IBbrowse (not a function). The other
browsers fare even worse; V does not understand "location" and IIRC
AWeb has no JS support at all. I am getting a similar error if I
attempt:

  frame[2].location.replace(location.href);

It appears these fuonctions are not yet supported. :(


- Jani
-- 
"The capacity of technology to modify the definition of humanity"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Steele [mailto:10454985@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> Sent: 03 March 2000 16:04
> To: afb@egroups.com
> Subject: [afb] Re: AFB Adverts - Whats the cost/subber?
> 
> > Okay, just to prove it, here's a 1x1 and a 10x10 red gif to
> > prove the loading speed difference is negligable.. (GIF89a, 1 
> > bitplane, non-interlaced)
> 
>  Look Matt, I really must complain. It`s not right that I should 
> have to download files that you attach, especially as they came 
> to about 100 bytes in size and I`m on a fast Uni connection.

96 Bytes and 106 Bytes, I made it... Our network slowed unbelievably as the
mailservers processed that load. I had Network Support screaming in my ear
and everything...
</IRONY>
-- 
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

> Hello erm... myself,
> 
> Does nobody care? Or do you all just have a lack of essential MMULib
> knowledge? ;-)

What were you doing again?

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi Mikey,

> Great Idea about the Mozambique Appeal.

> I would like to contribute a fiver (it's all I've got)
> However I am concerned about sending money by post.

Last year loads of people sent in cash - most of it in coins admittedly, but
a lot as notes. Just slap whatever you send between two bits of corrugated
cardboard, or in a card and I'm positive it'll get here okay. If it doesn't
I'll make it up myself (oi! No fibbing!).

> Can I send Ben a cheque made payable to himself?

I'd rather you didn't.

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)        /PGP key available/        T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Can I have one of those chocolates?", Tom said candidly.

Hi Mikey,

> How about a two page spread sometime next issue (or next)
> about programs still available that can run on an emulated 68k mac.

> I'm thinking of old 68k games that may now be on a budget release or
> perhaps =

> even some apps, like word processors etc.

Not a bad idea. I got given Quark XPress 4.1 yesterday - that still works=
 on
a 68k Mac (and costs about =A3800 + VAT and I got it for free! Yippee!).

All the best,
-- =

Ben Vost (x2337)        /PGP key available/        T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Family Fortunes answers:  Q. Name a bird with a long neck
                          A. Naomi Campbell

> > I'm thinking of old 68k games that may now be on a budget release =
or
> > perhaps even some apps, like word processors etc.
>=20
> Not a bad idea. I got given Quark XPress 4.1 yesterday - that still =
works
> on a 68k Mac (and costs about =A3800 + VAT and I got it for free! =
Yippee!).

Is that a work thing then? Like 'cos you're a journalist, they give you
copies
of software n' stuff?

--=20
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk=20
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi M.,

>> Not a bad idea. I got given Quark XPress 4.1 yesterday - that still wo=
rks
>> on a 68k Mac (and costs about =A3800 + VAT and I got it for free! Yipp=
ee!).

> Is that a work thing then? Like 'cos you're a journalist, they give you=

> copies of software n' stuff?

Kind of. Computer Publishing sit next door to us in the office and Nick h=
as
just left to go work on Linux Format, so they had a clear out (he's a muc=
ky
puppy is our Nick).

In amongst the junk he left behind were a Nikon CoolPix digital camera
(which I didn't get) a Mac version of Quark, a Mac Photoshop 5.5 with Ima=
ge
Ready 2, a PC Ray Dream Studio 5.5, a PC Media Studio Plus NLE package an=
d
a book for 3D Studio Max 2 (all of which I *did* get) :d

All the best,
-- =

Ben Vost (x2337)        /PGP key available/        T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Try: http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/

> >> Not a bad idea. I got given Quark XPress 4.1 yesterday -=20
> >> that still works on a 68k Mac (and costs about =A3800 +
> >> VAT and I got it for  free! Yippee!).
>=20
> > Is that a work thing then? Like 'cos you're a journalist,=20
> > they give you copies of software n' stuff?
>=20
> Kind of. Computer Publishing sit next door to us in the=20
> office and Nick has just left to go work on Linux Format,
> so they had a clear out (he's a mucky puppy is our Nick).

Jeez, he's a bit of a glory-grabber, isn't he, shifting jobs
that quickly..?

> In amongst the junk he left behind were a Nikon CoolPix digital =
camera
> (which I didn't get) a Mac version of Quark, a Mac Photoshop 5.5 with
> Image Ready 2, a PC Ray Dream Studio 5.5, a PC Media Studio Plus NLE
> package and a book for 3D Studio Max 2 (all of which I *did* get) :d

Yoo Lucky Bastid!

--=20
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk=20
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi M.,

>> In amongst the junk he left behind were a Nikon CoolPix digital camera
>> (which I didn't get) a Mac version of Quark, a Mac Photoshop 5.5 with
>> Image Ready 2, a PC Ray Dream Studio 5.5, a PC Media Studio Plus NLE
>> package and a book for 3D Studio Max 2 (all of which I *did* get) :d

> Yoo Lucky Bastid!

Yup! So with regard to our other discussion, perhaps *I* should be the one
to do the graphics? :)

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)        /PGP key available/        T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
*Libra*: /(Sept 23--Oct 23)/ An unfortunate typo on your application
results in your being accepted into the Legion Of Superherpes.

> > Yoo Lucky Bastid!
> 
> Yup! So with regard to our other discussion, perhaps *I* 
> should be the one to do the graphics? :)

But *I* want to do them!

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi M.,

>>> Yoo Lucky Bastid!
>> 
>> Yup! So with regard to our other discussion, perhaps *I* 
>> should be the one to do the graphics? :)

> But *I* want to do them!

:)

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)        /PGP key available/        T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"I'm trying to get some air circulating in the loft", said Tom
fanatically.

Hello Ben

On 03-Mar-00, Ben Vost wrote:
> Hi Robert,

>> I've noted down the address (It looks hauntingly familiar), and a Cheque
>> (Or would cash be better?) Will be in the post tonite.

> Cash would be better since I'll be paying eGroups and the chairty by card
> or cheque and having cash means I can either use it as petty cash, or pay
> it into my account.

> All the best,

   Ben, what's your bank details.  I can use this Internet banking for some
good now,


Cheers
-- 
-----------------------------------------------
Jon Barker                         ICQ:20786000
-----------------------------------------------

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Vost [mailto:ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 March 2000 17:08
> To: afb@egroups.com
> Subject: [afb] Re: Fusion Idea.
> 
> >>> Yoo Lucky Bastid!
> >> 
> >> Yup! So with regard to our other discussion, perhaps *I* 
> >> should be the one to do the graphics? :)
> 
> > But *I* want to do them!
> 
> :)

That makes 7 e-mails (So far) that are OT... Try joining AFB-OT-Mac!
-- 
Robert "Grrr, I didn't get anything!" Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

Ben Vost said, 

> Hi Will,

>> I would have built the Yamaha sound project if the Yamaha hardware
>> hadn`t been so pricey. The infra red controller made interesting
>> reading but wasn`t particularly practical. One of the things I bought

> Not practical? Surely it was one of the most practical hardware hacks going,
> or are you Amiga and IR-responding equipment that far apart> (I know they
> are for me).

It generated a great deal of interest when it was first mooted on the CU
mailing list. All sorts of ideas were put forward for its use. People
promised to send scripts and configs in the for CD etc. When it actually
came out...zilch :(

>> CU for was its bias towards hardware hacks, from the editorial in the
>> last issue this had nothing to do with its close which came from high
>> command.

> It *wasn't* anything to do with their closure, but it didn't add to copy
> sales in the way they'd hoped.

The DIY phase had passed long before the closure, since the person
driving it had left CU. ProjectXG was too ambitious, but AIRlink was
pitched just right. The poor response just demonstrated the low level
of interest in DIY hardware projects.


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - Connected via Wirenet
The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
http://www.wire.net.uk
-- 
Top Oxymorons Number 38: Government organization

> > >> Yup! So with regard to our other discussion, perhaps *I* 
> > >> should be the one to do the graphics? :)
> > 
> > > But *I* want to do them!
> > 
> > :)
> 
> That makes 7 e-mails (So far) that are OT... Try joining AFB-OT-Mac!

You don't know what the graphics are for. If you must know, they're
for a very Amiga-y project..

so HA! It's still on-topic! HAHA AHAHAHAHA!!!! HAHAHA!!!

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> The DIY phase had passed long before the closure, since the person
> driving it had left CU. ProjectXG was too ambitious, but AIRlink was
> pitched just right. The poor response just demonstrated the low level
> of interest in DIY hardware projects.

I think the main thing stopping *ME* from doing any hardware projects
is that it's a complete bitch to get stuff from Maplins. They're right out
of the way behind the train station, next to Office World, and you don't
even know what they have until yo either buy a catalogue or walk in.

And half the staff wouldn't know the difference between their arse and
elbow, let alone two different ICs.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sealey, M. [mailto:mws2@leicester.ac.uk]
> Sent: 03 March 2000 17:19
> To: 'afb@egroups.com'
> Subject: [afb] Re: Fusion Idea.
> 
> > > >> Yup! So with regard to our other discussion, perhaps *I* 
> > > >> should be the one to do the graphics? :)
> > > 
> > > > But *I* want to do them!
> > > 
> > > :)
> > 
> > That makes 7 e-mails (So far) that are OT... Try joining AFB-OT-Mac!
> 
> You don't know what the graphics are for. If you must know, they're
> for a very Amiga-y project..
> 
> so HA! It's still on-topic! HAHA AHAHAHAHA!!!! HAHAHA!!!

D'oh!

Still didn't get anything, tho...
-- 
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

> What were you doing again?

As I was saying about MMULib and a new BlizzardPPC card I'm getting:

Obviously I'll have to install WarpUp as PowerUp is 
incompatible with the mmu.library and there is very little 
reason to run PowerUp anymore, right?

But which 68040.library is the best? The phase5 one, the 
one that comes with OS3.5, or the MMULib one? Do the 
phase5 or OS3.5 ones have any advantages over the MMULib 
one?

Will I be able to remove CyberPatcher from my system? I 
can't quite work out from the documentation whether the 
MMULib makes it obsolete. 

I'll also want to use one of the MuTools to remap the 
kickstart to fast RAM, rather than using any other method, 
won't I? 

--
Colin Buchanan
Heriot-Watt University

> > What were you doing again?
> 
> As I was saying about MMULib and a new BlizzardPPC card I'm getting:
> 
> Obviously I'll have to install WarpUp as PowerUp is 
> incompatible with the mmu.library and there is very little 
> reason to run PowerUp anymore, right?

Right.
 
> But which 68040.library is the best? The phase5 one, the 
> one that comes with OS3.5, or the MMULib one? Do the 
> phase5 or OS3.5 ones have any advantages over the MMULib 
> one?

phase5 is quicker, but greasier. MMULib is a bit slower, but
much cleaner and more compatible with everything else.. if
you have a BlizzardPPC though, I'm not sure if you can get
rid of the 68040.library (does BPPCFix do that yet?)

> Will I be able to remove CyberPatcher from my system?

Dunno..

> can't quite work out from the documentation whether the 
> MMULib makes it obsolete. 

It doesn't, yet. Remove it anyway, it's hardly any use.
 
> I'll also want to use one of the MuTools to remap the 
> kickstart to fast RAM, rather than using any other method, 
> won't I?

Maybe.. 

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Computer Centre
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I'm off home then. Just going to say that I'll be on IRC
tonight as per http://www.neko.u-net.com/irc.shtml
so if you want to join in (and BEHAVE!) then ye can do.

Just for people who are scared of the MooBunny crowd,
none of the kooky Babur types join in, it's just the sane
ones ;)

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Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi Jon,

>> Cash would be better since I'll be paying eGroups and the chairty by card
>> or cheque and having cash means I can either use it as petty cash, or pay
>> it into my account.

>   Ben, what's your bank details. I can use this Internet banking for some
> good now,

I'd still rather you'd send a couple of quid in the mail. Last year, I
didn't touch the cash until the money had been raised...

All the best,
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On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 "Sealey, M." <mws2@leicester.ac.uk> wrote:

> I think the main thing stopping *ME* from doing any hardware projects
> is that it's a complete bitch to get stuff from Maplins. They're right out
> of the way behind the train station, next to Office World, and you don't
> even know what they have until yo either buy a catalogue or walk in.
> 
> And half the staff wouldn't know the difference between their arse and
> elbow, let alone two different ICs.

You could of course use their online store, located at
http://www.maplin.co.uk, seems to work for about 98% of the online
community I know who use it. :P 

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Jani Mkitalo said, 

> On 03-Mar-00 Neil Bothwick wrote:

>> The URL must be quoted ('index.htm'), it's a string literal. Without
>> the quotes JavaScript will be lloking for the HTML property of the
>> object INDEX.

> That was what I first tried, but I got a weird "function argument
> expected" error with IBrowse highlighting the first of the -signs.
> However, as I tried again today, this time pasting a -sign from a
> PC-created page. it worked. It appears my -sign has a different ASCII
> (or something) value and the JS parser does not accept it. I am unable
> to get the proper quote-sign out of my keyboard as it is a PC one
> connected to Power Tower. :( (installing a Finnish keymap did not help)

Use a " instead. JavaScript accepts single and double quotes. It treat
them the same, but each quote must be paired with one of the same type.

>>    top.location.replace('index.html');
>>    top.mainframe.location.replace(location.href);

> I assume I should replace the mainframe bit with the correct name of the
> frame?

Yes.

> I am getting an error on IBbrowse (not a function).

IBroswse regularly gives errors on perfectly valid (and fairly basic)
JavaScript.

> The other
> browsers fare even worse; V does not understand "location" and IIRC
> AWeb has no JS support at all.

AWeb has had JavaScript for more than two years. It's what all the
scripts for the tutorial were developed with.


Neil
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MSGTO: Kevin Fairhurst
SUBJECT: [afb] Re: A4000 Query

> > Used to? I bought one a few months ago :)
 
> But can you still buy them?

Probably.

> > Doesn't work though...
> Take it back and swap it then   ;-)

It's a bit late now!

> Are you sure it's not a problem with your TV?

Well it was plugged into my video scart socket and didn't work, so I
thought it might have been the video as a problem, but I bought a
genlock and now have a setup using the video scart socket and it's
okay so :) and :(

> Kev

Paul C, hmmm
-- 

Hiya Chris 

On 01-Mar-00 15:12:33, you said:
>Hello fellow afb'ers

>Sometime in late June/early July, I intend to lose my WOA virginity. :)

>Finally it seems, the orgainsers have come to their senses and discovered
>that there's life outwith the M25, and will hold the show in BrummieLand.

In true 'Friends' stylee. OH. MY. GOD!  This is too good to be true.  I
should start my new job (at Codemasters) July 3rd, and I live in Birmingham
too.  This sounds like an ideal way to spend my first months wages before I
even get them.  I can smell the sound of burning plastic already! :)

I just hope that it is early July and not late June as I may be away :/

Toodle pip,

Tom

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Hi Nick,

> Which Quadra did it come from; I have a Quadra 650 and 950.  The Quadra
> 800 ROM is also known to work.  Are you using an 060?

Quadra 900 actually IIRC. Yes I am using an 060, but according to the
docs on the CD this should not be a problem. However, anticipating
your response, I have already tried with no caches (burst and data),
and also with just the Instruction cache on. I have also tried without
SuperScalar mode (just to make sure). I did have a MacII(xi) Classic
512KB rom somewhere (from when I used them at uni), but I don't have
it anymore...on an old HD, so I'm unable to test that.

> > I don't get as far as the happy mac boot logo, which according to the
> > docs is a problem with the rom. So I guess I'm stuck with SS after

> IE 4.01 will work on a 68K Macintosh; v4.5 and the soon to be released
> 5.0 are PPC only.  I don't use Netscape so I can't say.  However I have
> found using IE 4.01 with FreePPP, and Mac OS 7.6.1 on the net to be
> very reliable.  I'd agree that it's not very fast though! :)

Under SS IE4.01 with FreePPP was very unstable - usually crashing the
mac within seconds of a connect. Netscape 2 didn't have JS support, so
I found myself NC4.x which works fine... except I didn't have room on
my harfile for both NC and IE, so I had to back up the hardfile and
remove IE. I'm using MacOS 7.5.5 under SS btw. QT3 is a bit funny too,
its control panel crashed the Mac upon invocation, and it has a habit
of crashing when playing and/or converting some MIDI files to QT
movies - but this is irrelevant, since its Fusion that isn't working
;)

> If at all possible don't give up just yet.

I already kind of have. Since I can't use the CGX driver, or the WB
window driver, on account Fusion has the CGX driver hardcoded to look
for V3 cgx library, and the patch for CGX v4 only works on the v3.1
fusion drivers, not the v3.2 I found or v3.3 supplied on the CD, and
the wbw driver won't open a window... driver cannot initialise screen
error (or similar), which leaves me with AGA modes only -> slow screen
refresh in anything but 4 colours (I'm basing that on SS's screen
refresh anyways since I don't know how well Fusion performs)

So, unless a minor miracle is performed, I'll just stick to SS for
now - at least I can get it to boot and run pretty well (and using CGX
too!! =8*)

Cya,
Steven.

On Fri, 03 Mar 2000 07:43:52 -0800, rosswhiteford@yahoo.com wibbled...

> I thought C&W had been taken over by NTL?

Neither, yet. ntl: wanted to buy C&W, but it's currently in the hands
of the MMC.

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On 03-Mar-00 Ben Vost wrote:

>> Saw (And played with) Dreamweaver 3 yesterday... Very nice. And as
>> you make changes in the source, it shows straight away in the
>> WYSIWYSRGAIDAWLT window. (What You See Is What You Should Get
>> Although It Doesn't Always Work Like That).
> 
> I have to admit that I've been playing with Adobe's Image Ready 2
> lately. It's fantastic - I'd give my right arm for something with this
> functionality on my Amiga. It does crash a lot which is irritating in
> the extreme, but other than putting in a load of </XX> tags which
> aren't always necessary it makes quite clean code and is superb for
> imagemaps and rollovers.

Interesting... it sounds like there has been a lot of development in
this area since I last looked into it (which admittedly was a good
while ago :).

- Jani
-- 
"The capacity of technology to modify the definition of humanity"

Hi Ben

On 03-Mar-00, you wrote:

> Cash would be better since I'll be paying eGroups and the chairty by card or
> cheque and having cash means I can either use it as petty cash, or pay it
> into my account.

I'm in, and would urge everyone else to forego their kebab and / or at least 
one of their pints over the weekend, and send that money, if not more. 
Surely we can all afford to do that????

Vaughn

Hello all,
            Right ho you amigan "pop pickers", any of you that reguarly use
Songplayer - please explain this for me? I play my CDs,MP3s and my own
encoded MP2s with this great program. My audio leads are from the Amiga
itself. How am I getting excellant play back thro my Amiga? Surelly its not
Paula doing all the work! The CD audio is just as good a quality as if I
use my CD audio out ports.

I have a A1200T, 060/50 + 32meg. I have AHI but I know for a fact that
Songplayer is not using it! Just want to know as it is intreging me! (and
no - I dont have any sound cards)

Cheers,
  Simon

Hello Stephen

On 28-Feb-00, you wrote:

> Does anybody know how to make the alarms in Organiser (V1.1) activate
> automatically on startup? I keep getting the requester asking if I want
to
> activate them and it's getting annoying.
> 
> Stephen
> 
Try this,mate
                First make sure that your time and date are correct so you
dont keep getting the requesters on starting.Go into the Diary Event
Details menu.You will see Alarm Options.Click on "Repeat".Change the menu
that is now presented to "Repeat every (1) day". You can also choose
"Untill" for how long you want it repeated. Just make sure that you set the
alarm sound path.

Hope this helps :)

Cheers,
            Simon
 

"daniel thornton" <thewibbl-@cwcom.net> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=49918
> On Fri, 03 Mar 2000 07:43:52 -0800, rosswhiteford@yahoo.com wibbled...
> 
> > I thought C&W had been taken over by NTL?
> 
> Neither, yet. ntl: wanted to buy C&W, but it's currently in the hands
> of the MMC.
> 

Don't want to sound stoopid! but what is the MMC? (just out of
curiosity?)

Ross Whiteford 

"tom miles" <to-@teknogrebo.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=49916
> Hiya Chris 
> 
> On 01-Mar-00 15:12:33, you said:
> >Hello fellow afb'ers
> 
> >Sometime in late June/early July, I intend to lose my WOA virginity.
:)
> 
> >I live in Birmingham
> too.  This sounds like an ideal way to spend my first months wages 
> > 
> I just hope that it is early July and not late June as I may be away
:/
> 
> 

Does anyone know of cheap accomodation (I mean REALLY cheap - as in
Camp site!)
in Birmingham? Somewhere central would be good!

Ross Whiteford

I have the opportunity to get hold of a 17" Mac monitor for =A370. My
reservations are: 

Can I use this monitor with my 1200T (without graphics card or
scandoubler, my money was tied up waiting for a G4, grrr)?

Is it a good deal? I don't know how good Mac monitors are.

The guy I spoke to seemed to indicate that there were more of these
deals available, so anyone in Reading who wants to get in on it,
they're called Studio Box, in Ross Road, just off the road to Caversham
after TGI Fridays.

Regards, Phil

On Wed, Mar 01, 2000 at 03:39:22AM -0800, Phil Allen wrote:

> I have the opportunity to get hold of a 17" Mac monitor for 70. My
> reservations are: 
> 
> Can I use this monitor with my 1200T (without graphics card or
> scandoubler, my money was tied up waiting for a G4, grrr)?

Depends on what model it is!
If one of the early ones then it will be a fixed frequency one. If one of
the later ones then they are SVGA monitors with different connectors fitted.

> Is it a good deal? I don't know how good Mac monitors are.

Again - depends on the model

> The guy I spoke to seemed to indicate that there were more of these
> deals available, so anyone in Reading who wants to get in on it,
> they're called Studio Box, in Ross Road, just off the road to Caversham
> after TGI Fridays.

There a company call PCJen who sell them for 40.

It's strange - if it isn't mainstream make or has the Apple or CBM logo on -
shops panic and sell them cheap 'cos they don't know what they are :)

Get the model number and I will tell you it's specs (or where to look)

l8r
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> I have the opportunity to get hold of a 17" Mac monitor for =A370. My
> reservations are:=20
>=20
> Can I use this monitor with my 1200T (without graphics card or
> scandoubler, my money was tied up waiting for a G4, grrr)?

Most probably 'no'... but..
=20
> Is it a good deal? I don't know how good Mac monitors are.

.. it depends which Mac monitor. Most are bloody good, some are
notoriously quirky. Find out what model it is.. then check Apple's
website (or the manufacturer's website) for details. Ask which
cable it has on it, if you DO need to get an adapter it'll be from
any one of 5 or 6 Mac connectors to PC 15-pin VGA which you
can then buy a cheapo 15-Amiga-ish connector from Eyetech..
=20
--=20
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk=20
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tudor Davies [mailto:tudor@high5.net]
> Sent: 01 March 2000 11:46
> To: afb@eGroups.com
> Subject: [afb] Re: Mac Monitors - help!
>=20
> > I have the opportunity to get hold of a 17" Mac monitor for =A370. =
My
> > reservations are:=20
> >=20
> > Can I use this monitor with my 1200T (without graphics card or
> > scandoubler, my money was tied up waiting for a G4, grrr)?
>=20
> Depends on what model it is!
> If one of the early ones then it will be a fixed frequency=20
> one. If one of
> the later ones then they are SVGA monitors with different=20
> connectors fitted.

Actually, I got an "Apple Multiple Scan 15" at home, and it's a =
FANTASTIC
monitor! Also, if you unscrew the lead on the back, you'll find a =
standard
VGA plug... Very handy!

If it is one of the "Multiple Scan" Models, It'll sync down to 15Khz, =
too,
Perfect for the Amiga.=20
Failing that, check out your local School or College and see if they =
have
any Acorn A5000/RISC PC Displays going. Full Multisync displays going =
down
to 15Khz, and work like a Dream on Every screenmode you care to throw =
at it.
Pin-sharp display, too and you get a fast machine into the process. I =
picked
up 3 of them from my old College for =A330 a-piece!
--=20
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

Gerald Mellor said, 

> On 29 Feb 00, at 23:51, Jonathan Day wrote:

>> I too have had no probs with OS3.5 and PFS2.  Or (mixing threads) with
>> backing up/restoring RDBs.  I read about these stability probs of v2 in the
>> PFS3 review too.  Are you (or anyone) able to give examples of bugs?  Are
>> there certain things I should avoid doing?

> You should avoid keeping too many files in one directory,

I'vew got a directory withn 7000 files, I know of people that have over
20,000 files in a POFS directory. It doesn't cause a problem with
anything but speed of access to that directory.

> and you
> should set the buffers on the partitions as high as you can. I had a 
> few problems after I first installed it... receiving "Alarme: Falsche 
> (something) ID!" errors, it write protected my hard disks and in the 
> end I was getting so many errors that I had to reformat.

The write protection is temporary. It's a safety feature of PFS, as soon
as it detects an error on a partition it makes it read-only, to prevent
further damage. A reboot usually cures the fault., consistent errors are
usually a sign of an incorrect Mask or MaxTransfer.

Having said all that, PFS2 did have some problems, but only a very few
considering the hammering my hard drives get. FFS is far more prone to
problems.

PFS3.3 appears to have fixed all outstanding bugs.


Neil
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with inanimate objects.

Hi,

I bet you can't be arsed to know now, but today's the day I'll tell...

All the best,
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On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:05:21 +0000, Ben Vost (ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk) wrote:
> Hi,

Hello!

> I bet you can't be arsed to know now, but today's the day I'll tell...

What is it what is it what is it?  Tell us please  :-)

Kev

-- 
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Hi Christopher,

> OK, Tintin's faint Amiga link:  Tintin, created by Herge, who took an
> interest in modern art to the extent of having his portrait painted by
> Andy Warhol, who (as reported in my A600 WWW special edition AF) was
> involved in the launch of the A1000(?) and apparently loved Amigas.

Or how about the old game TinTin which was released about the same time
as Batman? I think thats a bit of a stronger link! ;)

Paul Laycock

> I bet you can't be arsed to know now, but today's the day I'll tell...

Argh! I'm certainly going to be miffed at Errol, 'cos he's not using
my icons properly!

Ben, can you tell him to look through the big icons directory for the
icons and ignore the Mock AFCD? It seems he's using the older icons
I accidentally sent rather than the newer ones.

Aww! (and when do I get PAID!!?!?!?!?!)

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

Hi Ben,

> > I bet you can't be arsed to know now, but today's the day I'll
tell...
> 
> What is it what is it what is it?  Tell us please  :-)

"Yes, get on with it!" (Please)

Paul Laycock

Hi Kevin,

>> I bet you can't be arsed to know now, but today's the day I'll tell...

> What is it what is it what is it?  Tell us please  :-)

Okay. We have the final release of Personal Paint on this CD. It's version
7.1b, which is newer than any version previously commercially available
(although you could patch your existing 7.1 installation to 7.1b with the
patch from Aminet). It takes up about 70M of space on the CD thanks to full
documentation in three languages and a bunch of example pics and anims.

All the best,
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*Quiz tag:* continue the sequence: 1, 11, 21, 1211, 111221, 312211, ?

> Hi Kevin,
> 
> > > I bet you can't be arsed to know now, but today's the day 
> > > I'll tell...
> 
> > What is it what is it what is it?  Tell us please  :-)
> 
> Okay. We have the final release of Personal Paint on this CD. 
> It's version 7.1b, which is newer than any version previously
> commercially available (although you could patch your existing
> 7.1 installation to 7.1b with the patch from Aminet). It takes
> up about 70M of space on the CD thanks to full documentation
> in three languages and a bunch of example pics  and anims.

Aww! I already have that one..


.. although if they're willing to throw PPaint 7.1 to all
you magazine people, is that a sign that PPaint 8 is on the
way, or that they couldn't give a toss about us greasy Amiga
users anymore? :)

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:18:08 +0000, Ben Vost (ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk) wrote:
> Hi Kevin,

'lo

> >> I bet you can't be arsed to know now, but today's the day I'll tell...
> 
> > What is it what is it what is it?  Tell us please  :-)
> 
> Okay. We have the final release of Personal Paint on this CD. It's version
> 7.1b, which is newer than any version previously commercially available
> (although you could patch your existing 7.1 installation to 7.1b with the
> patch from Aminet). It takes up about 70M of space on the CD thanks to full
> documentation in three languages and a bunch of example pics and anims.

*grin*  I was right, it is something I've bought!  I admit it was
an upgrade from when AF had v6, but still ...    ;-)

However, it's a great package which I hope that people appreciate being on
there.  Given all of the example stuff too, it should make a very nice CD!

Thanks for bringing it to us Ben,

Kev


-- 
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Hi M.,

>> Okay. We have the final release of Personal Paint on this CD. 
                     ^^^^^

> .. although if they're willing to throw PPaint 7.1 to all
> you magazine people, is that a sign that PPaint 8 is on the
> way, or that they couldn't give a toss about us greasy Amiga
> users anymore? :)

See the above...

All the best,
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of lung cancer.

Hallo There,

> > Okay. We have the final release of Personal Paint on this CD. It's
version
> > 7.1b, which is newer than any version previously commercially
available
> > (although you could patch your existing 7.1 installation to 7.1b
with the
> > patch from Aminet). It takes up about 70M of space on the CD thanks
to full
> > documentation in three languages and a bunch of example pics and
anims.
> 
> *grin*  I was right, it is something I've bought!  I admit it was
> an upgrade from when AF had v6, but still ...    ;-)
> 
> However, it's a great package which I hope that people appreciate
being on
> there.  Given all of the example stuff too, it should make a very
nice CD!
> 
> Thanks for bringing it to us Ben,

Yeas, I'll second that, should come in great use now that DPaint is
incompatible with my gfx. card; and I have only got PPaint 7.0.  Thanks
once again Ben.  One thing however; it leaves a sour taste in my mouth-
does this mean that Cloanto's plan of having PPaint 8 is scrapped and
that PPaint 7.1b is as far as this goes?  I guess you paid them about
=A3900 for it then?  =A330x30; since you said iirc that you paid them an
amount to the value of 30 copies sold.

All the best,

Nick.

Hi Nick,

> Yeas, I'll second that, should come in great use now that DPaint is
> incompatible with my gfx. card; and I have only got PPaint 7.0.  Thanks=

> once again Ben.  One thing however; it leaves a sour taste in my mouth-=

> does this mean that Cloanto's plan of having PPaint 8 is scrapped and
> that PPaint 7.1b is as far as this goes?  I guess you paid them about
> =A3900 for it then?  =A330x30; since you said iirc that you paid them a=
n
> amount to the value of 30 copies sold.

I doubt PPaint 8 will appear, unless something drastic changes. We didn't=

pay them that much...

All the best,
-- =

Ben Vost (x2337)        /PGP key available/        T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
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"So, I'm *not* a vampire", Tom reflected.

Hi Ben,

> >> Okay. We have the final release of Personal Paint on this CD. 
>                      ^^^^^
> 
> > .. although if they're willing to throw PPaint 7.1 to all
> > you magazine people, is that a sign that PPaint 8 is on the
> > way, or that they couldn't give a toss about us greasy Amiga
> > users anymore? :)
> 
> See the above...

Shucks.  Well that has hit me quite hard.  Gawd Dammit!  :(  Will
Cloanto still be supporting Amiga Forever; or is that it, full stop.  

Well looks like my next program plan is thus: a killer pain package in
the authenticity of DPaint and PPaint.  Just gotta finish PS2k first...
:)

And I have to figure out a gradient fill algoritm, what needs to be
done... :)
And I'll program it in C, perhaps I'll get an Amiga dev system when
they're released and program it for Elate.... :)

All the best,

Nick. 

On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 04:39:33 -0800, Nick Lamburn (oruk-amigan@excite.com) wrote:

> 
> Shucks.  Well that has hit me quite hard.  Gawd Dammit!  :(  Will
> Cloanto still be supporting Amiga Forever; or is that it, full stop.  
> 
> Well looks like my next program plan is thus: a killer pain package in

You're going to use this "killer pain package" on people that have stopped
Amiga development in a bid to get them working on miggy software again?

;-)


Kev

-- 
Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 56332267, redver5 on AIM

> Hi Ben,
> 
> > > > Okay. We have the final release of Personal Paint on this CD. 
> >                      ^^^^^
> > 
> > > .. although if they're willing to throw PPaint 7.1 to all
> > > you magazine people, is that a sign that PPaint 8 is on the
> > > way, or that they couldn't give a toss about us greasy Amiga
> > > users anymore? :)
> > 
> > See the above...

I thought you meant Final Release of PPaint 7..

> Well looks like my next program plan is thus: a killer pain package in
> the authenticity of DPaint and PPaint.  Just gotta finish PS2k first...
> :)

By the time you finish PS2K there'll be no Amiga left :) Where are those
graphics you were going to send me, too?

> And I have to figure out a gradient fill algoritm, what needs to be
> done... :)

Hmm.. I wonder what THAT could be for :) </injoke>

> And I'll program it in C, perhaps I'll get an Amiga dev system when
> they're released and program it for Elate.... :)

Couldn't I tempt you with a dev box for Neutrino? :)

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

Hi,

> Actually, I got an "Apple Multiple Scan 15" at home, and it's a
FANTASTIC
> monitor! Also, if you unscrew the lead on the back, you'll find a
standard
> VGA plug... Very handy!
> 
> If it is one of the "Multiple Scan" Models, It'll sync down to 15Khz,
too,
> Perfect for the Amiga. 
> Failing that, check out your local School or College and see if they
have
> any Acorn A5000/RISC PC Displays going. Full Multisync displays going
down
> to 15Khz, and work like a Dream on Every screenmode you care to throw
at it.
> Pin-sharp display, too and you get a fast machine into the process. I
picked
> up 3 of them from my old College for =A330 a-piece!

I used to have an Apple Multiple Scan 14" (really 13") and Mac monitors
indeed generally have extremely good display quality.  And indeed
worked a dream at 15KHz too.  Well until it blew up... :)

All the best,

Nick.

Hi Ben,

Now I'm disappointed. Not because PPaint is a bad program (on the
contrary, bl**dy excellent!), but because it means no further
development for PPaint, or any new programs from Cloanto. I assume this
means that they are no longer interested in the Amiga market, or are
interested but can't afford to stay?

Paul Laycock

Hi Paul,

> Now I'm disappointed. Not because PPaint is a bad program (on the
> contrary, bl**dy excellent!), but because it means no further
> development for PPaint, or any new programs from Cloanto. I assume this
> means that they are no longer interested in the Amiga market, or are
> interested but can't afford to stay?

I think the latter would be a better description. Funnily enough, they
actually like to get paid for their work... :)

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)        /PGP key available/        T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"I forgot what to buy", Tom said listlessly.

Hello Nick

> Can you help me?  I am setting really pathetic download speeds with
> my system.  I have an A1200 '040 25mhz, clock up card and an Ioblix
> 1200 serial card.
> I seem to get speeds of about 1500cps?  Is there anyway of testing or
> patching my system to get better speeds.  I am using a baud rate of
> 115200 (230400 unsteady!).

i am using an Ioblix with an ISDN line.. i'm getting speeds in excess of
8000cps on a 6400cps line..

i'm using the same processor.. i don't seem to be experience any
difficulties at all..

i found Genesis very easy to set up.. just select the relevant drvier from
the the DEVS: drawer and give it a GENERIC command set.. if your using ISDN
too, it may help to modify the INIT line with ATB4<CR>

cya
hugo

Hi,

> > 
> > Shucks.  Well that has hit me quite hard.  Gawd Dammit!  :(  Will
> > Cloanto still be supporting Amiga Forever; or is that it, full
stop.  
> > 
> > Well looks like my next program plan is thus: a killer pain package
in
> 
> You're going to use this "killer pain package" on people that have
stopped
> Amiga development in a bid to get them working on miggy software
again?
> 
> ;-)

Oh God! :)  It gets worse, these awful typos of mine, it was meant to
be PAINT package! :))  Hey Matt (Neko), it was bad enough when I
confused my hands with another part of my anatomy (as a result of a
horrendous typo...).

Dammit.. :)

All the best,

Nick.

Hi,

I doubt anyone noticed, but I've been away on business in London for just=
 over two weeks, but now I'm back so I'm afraid my musings on this list a=
re too.

Aahh... I missed my Amiga /*so /*much :)


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Real meanings #11:
HTML: Hate This Microsoft Lameness

Hi

> > > > > Okay. We have the final release of Personal Paint on this CD. 
> > >                      ^^^^^
> > > 
> > > > .. although if they're willing to throw PPaint 7.1 to all
> > > > you magazine people, is that a sign that PPaint 8 is on the
> > > > way, or that they couldn't give a toss about us greasy Amiga
> > > > users anymore? :)
> > > 
> > > See the above...
> 
> I thought you meant Final Release of PPaint 7..

Same here.

> > Well looks like my next program plan is thus: a killer pain package
in
> > the authenticity of DPaint and PPaint.  Just gotta finish PS2k
first...
> > :)
> 
> By the time you finish PS2K there'll be no Amiga left :) Where are
those
> graphics you were going to send me, too?

It's not easy when you're 16 programming a Word Processor, Database,
Spreadsheet, Organiser and Page Layout program with all the other stuff
on your own! Hee Hee!  :)  (I have enough faith the Amiga will still be
here in 2072 when PS2k will be ready! :)  Nah, this year!).  Sorry Matt
about the graphics, a virus wreaked havoc this weekend on  my machine;
and almost destroyed all of my PS2k backups.  However; I will send you
a list of what's needed and the dimensions.  I'm sorry about that, I
will endeavour to do that tonight! :)

> > And I have to figure out a gradient fill algoritm, what needs to be
> > done... :)
> 
> Hmm.. I wonder what THAT could be for :) </injoke>

Hmm me too! :)
 
> > And I'll program it in C, perhaps I'll get an Amiga dev system when
> > they're released and program it for Elate.... :)
> 
> Couldn't I tempt you with a dev box for Neutrino? :)

If it's free... :)
Nah, I wanna make a go of this Elate stuff, sounds really cool.... :)

All the best,

Nick.

Hi Peter,

> I doubt anyone noticed, but I've been away on business in London for just
> over two weeks, but now I'm back so I'm afraid my musings on this list are
> too.

Sorry, *who* are you again?

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)        /PGP key available/        T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"I won't be on time", Tom said belatedly.

 
> > By the time you finish PS2K there'll be no Amiga left :) Where are
> > those graphics you were going to send me, too?
> 
> It's not easy when you're 16 programming a Word Processor, Database,
> Spreadsheet, Organiser and Page Layout program with all the 
> other stuff on your own! Hee Hee! :)

I'm sure that using Blitz can't be helping much, either. And age is
no measure of ability: which must mean you're either lazy or crap ;)

> Sorry Matt about the graphics, a virus wreaked havoc this weekend
> on  my machine;

*sigh*

> and almost destroyed all of my PS2k backups.  However; I will send you
> a list of what's needed and the dimensions.  I'm sorry about that, I
> will endeavour to do that tonight! :)

See you on IRC prolly?

> > > And I'll program it in C, perhaps I'll get an Amiga dev 
> > > system when they're released and program it for Elate.... :)
> > 
> > Couldn't I tempt you with a dev box for Neutrino? :)
> 
> If it's free... :)

Free Beer or Free Speech?

> Nah, I wanna make a go of this Elate stuff, sounds
> really cool.... :)

/me kicks Nick from off his chair

Okay, then, how is it going to be cool?

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

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Hi Matt,

> > > By the time you finish PS2K there'll be no Amiga left :) Where are
> > > those graphics you were going to send me, too?
> > 
> > It's not easy when you're 16 programming a Word Processor, Database,
> > Spreadsheet, Organiser and Page Layout program with all the 
> > other stuff on your own! Hee Hee! :)
> 
> I'm sure that using Blitz can't be helping much, either. And age is
> no measure of ability: which must mean you're either lazy or crap ;)

Probably not in the long run, I wasn't really making a statement about
ability, just that I also have a lot on in life which also consumes a
great deal of time.

But I wish to move from Blitz, simply because it's proprietary, and C
isn't.  C does have lots of advatages as well...  

> > Sorry Matt about the graphics, a virus wreaked havoc this weekend
> > on  my machine;
> 
> *sigh*

But I will try to get what I can to you! :)
 
> > and almost destroyed all of my PS2k backups.  However; I will send
you
> > a list of what's needed and the dimensions.  I'm sorry about that, I
> > will endeavour to do that tonight! :)
> 
> See you on IRC prolly?

Probably, about 7:30'ish or summink. :)

> > > > And I'll program it in C, perhaps I'll get an Amiga dev 
> > > > system when they're released and program it for Elate.... :)
> > > 
> > > Couldn't I tempt you with a dev box for Neutrino? :)
> > 
> > If it's free... :)
> 
> Free Beer or Free Speech?

Mmmm Free Beer... :)

> > Nah, I wanna make a go of this Elate stuff, sounds
> > really cool.... :)
> 
> /me kicks Nick from off his chair

Owwww.. :)

> Okay, then, how is it going to be cool?

I'm not saying QNX isn't because it evidently offers many features
which do make it groundbreaking.  However I have a 'feeling' about
Elate which is hard to describe; but I feel it offers what is needed in
a truly revolutionay Kernel, OS whatever (IMO).  QNX offers some of
this Tao's stuff offers all of it.  It's hard to describe a feeling
like this, but I'm ready to follow where Amiga wants to go, luckily it
seems to be in the path or idea where i also want to go.  I was
somewhat dissappointed when Amiga last year chose Linux over QNX,
screamed bandwagon! :)

The Real Time features of QNX and Elate offer the potential to create
applications that are so fluid, and fast that the user is unaware of
delays, and processing times.  The Web could move from being a slow,
lethargic experience (for the majority), to a true show case of
multimedia and interaction.  

QNX offers this, but IMO Elate offers more...

All the best,

Nick.

On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:18:01 -0500 (EST), FREE Preview (Alpha-To-Omega@webtv.net) wrote:

[snip!]

Cue Vikings ...

Kev

-- 
Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 56332267, redver5 on AIM

> > > > > And I'll program it in C, perhaps I'll get an Amiga dev 
> > > > > system when they're released and program it for Elate.... :)
> > > > 
> > > > Couldn't I tempt you with a dev box for Neutrino? :)
> > > 
> > > Nah, I wanna make a go of this Elate stuff, sounds
> > > really cool.... :)
> > 
> > Okay, then, how is it going to be cool?
> 
> I'm not saying QNX isn't

I'm not saying it is, either. I'm asking what is so cool about Elate,
not which one you prefer. Why must everything be a competition
for you people?

> However I have a 'feeling' about Elate which is hard to describe; but
> I feel it offers what is needed in a truly revolutionay Kernel,

Bzzt! It doesn't need to be revolutionary to be "cool", or innovative.

In fact, if anyone cites something as good because it has the ability
to be revolutionary should be shot..

> OS whatever (IMO).  QNX offers some of
> this Tao's stuff offers all of it. 

Tao offers nothing that couldn't be offered by QNX Neutrino, and
certainly Tao themselves offer nothing NOW that isn't offered by
Neutrino.

I think you're getting a bit mixed up: Amiga are the ones touting
coolness, and although Tao are the facilitators of cool, they
haven't done anything so "groundbreaking" yet, and that includes
the rather-lame Searching For Tao video: nothing I haven't seen
before a million  times on a million OSes on a million standard
graphics cards.

> The Real Time features of QNX and Elate offer the potential to create
> applications that are so fluid, and fast that the user is unaware of
> delays, and processing times.

If you think that is what Real Time means then you're wrong.

> The Web could move from being a slow, lethargic experience
> (for the majority), to a true show case of multimedia and
> interaction.  

Or a true showcase of how slow the internet really is? From being
something people blame on connections to something that is
being realised as just plain crap technology?

> QNX offers this, but IMO Elate offers more...

Like WHAT? A FEELING? 

All aboard for the "Amiga Religion Supporting Elate" movement ;)

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Fairhurst [mailto:redvers@redvers.u-net.com]
> Sent: 01 March 2000 13:32
> To: afb@egroups.com
> Subject: [afb] Re: Welcome
> 
> Cue Vikings ...

Lovely Spam, Wonderful Spam!
Lovely Spam, Wonderful
Spam, spaaaaaam, Spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam, spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam,
spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam, SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!!!

Sorry, Couldn't resist.
-- 
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Lamburn [mailto:oruk-amigan@excite.com]
> Sent: 01 March 2000 13:24
> To: afb@eGroups.com
> Subject: [afb] Re: What's on AFCD51?
> 
> Hi Matt,

Well, I'm not Matt, but I'm answering anyways...

> > > Nah, I wanna make a go of this Elate stuff, sounds
> > > really cool.... :)
> > 
> > /me kicks Nick from off his chair
> 
> Owwww.. :)
> 
> > Okay, then, how is it going to be cool?
> 
> I'm not saying QNX isn't because it evidently offers many features
> which do make it groundbreaking.  However I have a 'feeling' about
> Elate which is hard to describe; but I feel it offers what is 
> needed in
> a truly revolutionay Kernel, OS whatever (IMO).  QNX offers some of
> this Tao's stuff offers all of it.  It's hard to describe a feeling
> like this, but I'm ready to follow where Amiga wants to go, luckily it
> seems to be in the path or idea where i also want to go.  I was
> somewhat dissappointed when Amiga last year chose Linux over QNX,
> screamed bandwagon! :)
> 
> The Real Time features of QNX and Elate offer the potential to create
> applications that are so fluid, and fast that the user is unaware of
> delays, and processing times.  The Web could move from being a slow,
> lethargic experience (for the majority), to a true show case of
> multimedia and interaction.  
> 
> QNX offers this, but IMO Elate offers more...

Hmmm... Are there any men in white coats after you, offering a nice soft
room in a big white house? Both systems are either incomplete or in their
infancies, and no real conclusions can really be drawn about either of them
until they're seen working "in the wild". Of course you'll only ever see the
best parts of the system... the Exciting stuff... They're trying to sell it
to you. That's their job! Each and every system has it's own advantages and
disadvantages. It's a matter of Weighing up all these advantages and
disadvantages...

To sum this up?

Wait and see...

Of Course, this is all IMH(umble)O
-- 
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

> Hmmm... Are there any men in white coats after you, offering 
> a nice soft room in a big white house? Both systems are either
> incomplete or in their infancies,

Bzzzztt! The technology used in Neutrino has been around for
ages, and has been proven in many areas. Neutrino 2 just got
released (just the kernel), so that's being proven NOW.

> To sum this up?
> 
> Wait and see...

Yes! And don't jump at every Elate or Neutrino feature like
it's the best thing since sliced bread, or revolutionary,
because everything has at some time been done before
(in Neutrino's case it's because QNX do that kind of thing
a lot, in Elate's case it's because all the technology they stand
to use is going to be highly-available public technology
like Bluetooth and HAVi)
 
-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sealey, M. [mailto:mws2@leicester.ac.uk]
> Sent: 01 March 2000 13:50
> To: 'afb@egroups.com'
> Subject: [afb] Re: What's on AFCD51?
> 
> > Hmmm... Are there any men in white coats after you, offering 
> > a nice soft room in a big white house? Both systems are either
> > incomplete or in their infancies,
> 
> Bzzzztt! The technology used in Neutrino has been around for
> ages, and has been proven in many areas. Neutrino 2 just got
> released (just the kernel), so that's being proven NOW.

But those "Many Areas" are BIG corporations (NASA etc.), AFAIK it hasn't
really been tested in the "Home" Environment as of yet...

> > To sum this up?
> > 
> > Wait and see...
> 
> Yes! And don't jump at every Elate or Neutrino feature like
> it's the best thing since sliced bread, or revolutionary,
> because everything has at some time been done before
> (in Neutrino's case it's because QNX do that kind of thing
> a lot, in Elate's case it's because all the technology they stand
> to use is going to be highly-available public technology
> like Bluetooth and HAVi)

The problem is remaining compatible whilst providing "Revolutionary"
features. Often the two don't work hand-in-hand.
-- 
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

> > Bzzzztt! The technology used in Neutrino has been around for
> > ages, and has been proven in many areas. Neutrino 2 just got
> > released (just the kernel), so that's being proven NOW.
> 
> But those "Many Areas" are BIG corporations (NASA etc.), 
> AFAIK it hasn't really been tested in the "Home" Environment
> as of yet...

There are a few webpad type thingies that run Neutrino.. that's
homey enough for me. If you mean as a desktop machine: the
desktop machine (although not the Desktop Metaphor) is
being phased out.

Go and search for the "Ottoman" PC - it's like a footstool with
a PC inside it!

> The problem is remaining compatible whilst providing "Revolutionary"
> features. Often the two don't work hand-in-hand.

Remaining compatible with what? Windows? The Amiga? Your
PC hardware?

And it doesn't NEED to be revolutionary to be good. Collas is gone
now, you don't NEED to keep saying that dumb, pointless, MEANINGLESS
word.

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> It's not easy when you're 16 programming a Word Processor, Database,
> Spreadsheet, Organiser and Page Layout program with all the other
stuff
> on your own! Hee Hee!  :)  (I have enough faith the Amiga will still
be
> here in 2072 when PS2k will be ready! :)  Nah, this year!).  Sorry
Matt
> about the graphics, a virus wreaked havoc this weekend on  my machine;
> and almost destroyed all of my PS2k backups.  However; I will send you
> a list of what's needed and the dimensions.  I'm sorry about that, I
> will endeavour to do that tonight! :)
> 

Hi Nick,

Whats this PS2k your all mentioning???

Some sort of developer tool it sounds like, or is it a set of
mini-programs that can be incorporated into a larger program to do
certain things. (Plug-ins in other words)

TTFN

Bifford the Youngest

Can you mail me those Kaffe URL's? I can't find them
anywhere, and the eGroups site is being overly hostile
to me. Thanks.

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Sealey, M. wrote:
> 
> Let me just make one point clear: needlessly bashing certain
> software houses because they don't agree with your high and
> mighty (and also slightly naive)
> view of the world, does NOT
> make you big, tough, or sexy.
Needless bashing is fun, just like mindless violence and Carmageddon and
making music with no key or structure (or anything else which works).
I don't do it very often.
I'm not naive - I'm just tired of tring to make sense of it all, tired
of striving to be right all the time and I'm an idealist.
My view of the world is from a realistic perspective. I just never say
anything about it.
I'm not big, tough or sexy. I have never thought that I am. I'm also
very crap at arguing. But I know ppl who are very good at it, so I try
and divert attention to them.
> 
> It makes you look like a big, attention grabbing fool.
I wasn't trying to grab attention. I try to deflect attention away from
my self.

> 
> If you have something constructive to say, say it. If it's
> something derogatory to Microsoft or Windows, or
> McDonalds or Burger King TAKE IT TO ANOTHER LIST.
>
You forgot Disney and all the other capatalist, fascist, coporate
bastards! *ahem*

---
Nick Lamburn wrote:
> In a debate to qualify why you dislike MS (if you do), you need to, I
> hate MS because and give a justified answer.  Amiga owners themselves
> get peeved if someone simply says 'Amigas are crap', PC owners are the
> same.  You need to justify why you use an Amiga and why you dislike the
> PC, simply saying 'they're crap' is derogatory and the key way to loose
> an argument.
>
I agree. I do. This is all cos of one 'off the cuff' comment, which was
not a serious remark. Unfortunately the limits of email distorted its
meaning. Sorry about that, everyone.
 
> Indeed it's fair to criticise anything, so long as it remains relevant
> and has a good justified reason.  I'd say there are three types of
> Amigan: those who are anti-PC full stop, liberal Amigans who see the
> merits of other systems, and those who are pro all systems to a certain
> extent.  I'd say I'm in the middle.  I would dearly love to see
> (something not as quirky or cumbersome though) something of Word and
> Excel's calibre on the Amiga.  Perhaps my Platinum Suite 2000 is some
> way there already?  I dunno.
> 
I would say I was actually near the middle-top area. No, really. But my
experience with microsoft stuff stinks, and I live in an environment
where I get heckled simply for not going around saying "Bill gates is
god, I love him and Microsoft only want me to have the most wonderful
time of my life. Hurrar!" So I compensate. I don't mean it, and when I
argue in earnest I use proper justifiable arguments (unlike others
around here who say "everyone uses windows 95 so it must be good" and
when I argue against that they (effectively) say "I'm right and you're
wrong, so there". Can you see my situation? Its made me bitter and
there's nothing I can do.

=(

---

Btw - Please don't anyone judge anyone else on this list. Certainly in
my case what you see here can be quite urepresentative of who I am and.
Different aspects of someones personality can arrise when faced with the
"Re:Mail" window.
I suspect this is the case for most ppl.
 
Anyway, back to the point....

> > but ye already got a TCP/IP link.
> Then just open a telnet link then :)
Tch, why didn't you just say in the first place then? =)

> 
> > and you get even faster transfer rates with PC2Amigas custom cable.
> 
> Errmm.. if you really think so, Alex.
> 
Thats what the docs say. According to them (and dont' get me wrong - I
don't think theyre gospel, and I'm not saying they're right) you get
about 10kBps faster rates. Something to do with using all 8 lines
instead of just 4, as in the LapLink cable.

I've never tried it, so I can't really comment.

-curry (was about to write something which would accidentally offend
even more ppl)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sealey, M. [mailto:mws2@leicester.ac.uk]
> Sent: 01 March 2000 13:59
> To: 'afb@egroups.com'
> Subject: [afb] Re: What's on AFCD51?
> 
> > > Bzzzztt! The technology used in Neutrino has been around for
> > > ages, and has been proven in many areas. Neutrino 2 just got
> > > released (just the kernel), so that's being proven NOW.
> > 
> > But those "Many Areas" are BIG corporations (NASA etc.), 
> > AFAIK it hasn't really been tested in the "Home" Environment
> > as of yet...
> 
> There are a few webpad type thingies that run Neutrino.. that's
> homey enough for me. If you mean as a desktop machine: the
> desktop machine (although not the Desktop Metaphor) is
> being phased out.
> 
> Go and search for the "Ottoman" PC - it's like a footstool with
> a PC inside it!

But how *Expandable* are they? As expandable as a monitor...

> > The problem is remaining compatible whilst providing "Revolutionary"
> > features. Often the two don't work hand-in-hand.
> 
> Remaining compatible with what? Windows? The Amiga? Your
> PC hardware?

99% of the home computing market is running using Proprietary systems
(PCI/AGP/ISA Etc.). If a system come out that doesn't use one of these
systems, it falls over (Amiga (Zorro), Archimedes (Acorn SlotII)). The "Next
Big Thing" is going to have to be compatible with the last "Big Thing".
Systems that aren't, Die. AMD's Athlon's only selling because Intel Goofed
and withdrew SlotI Pentium III's, the Celeron was only held afloat by it's
Cheapness, the new "Flip-Chips" are not moving, and Intel's having to Bundle
them all with slockets... All cases of Compatibility forcing something to
conform, But before someone says it, Standards DO change. How many PCI
Graphics cards are there now? How many *New* ISA Soundcards?
-- 
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk
I think I'll leave this here -->           IMHO

Tudor Davies said:
> Get the model number and I will tell you it's specs (or where to look)
> 

Okay, for your technical enjoyment, here it is:

 Apple 1705, apparently, the guy said he thinks it is a multiscan but
he's not sure.

Regards, Phil

Robert Johnston wrote:
> 99% of the home computing market is running using Proprietary systems
> (PCI/AGP/ISA Etc.). If a system come out that doesn't use one of these
> systems, it falls over (Amiga (Zorro), Archimedes (Acorn SlotII)). The "Next
> Big Thing" is going to have to be compatible with the last "Big Thing".
> Systems that aren't, Die. AMD's Athlon's only selling because Intel Goofed
> and withdrew SlotI Pentium III's, the Celeron was only held afloat by it's
> Cheapness, the new "Flip-Chips" are not moving, and Intel's having to Bundle
> them all with slockets... All cases of Compatibility forcing something to
> conform, But before someone says it, Standards DO change. How many PCI
> Graphics cards are there now? How many *New* ISA Soundcards?

Yep, the best way to change standards like card slots is to tack the old
ones on to a mid-way machine/program until all the old technology is
replaced with new compatible technology. Then you dump the old tech in
the next lot of machines/programs.
A bit like starship upgrading in Stars!. Well... actually its not, but
its the thought that counts.

-curry (trying to be constructive)

Matt Sealey wrote:

> 
> There are a few webpad type thingies that run Neutrino.. that's
> homey enough for me. If you mean as a desktop machine: the
> desktop machine (although not the Desktop Metaphor) is
> being phased out.
> 
> Go and search for the "Ottoman" PC - it's like a footstool with
> a PC inside it!

Sort of OT, has anyone seen amiga.org recently? You gotta check out the
news on the "revolutionary zero-footprint PC" made me laugh ;)

Regards, Phil

Hi Robert,

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"phil allen" <funky_gibbo-@talk21.com> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=49497
> Matt Sealey wrote:
> 

> Sort of OT, has anyone seen amiga.org recently? You gotta check out
the
> news on the "revolutionary zero-footprint PC" made me laugh ;)
> 
Made me laugh too! Revolutionary? Hardly :)

Unfortunatley the Windoze Sheep will think it so. 

Regards

Mikey C

> > Sort of OT, has anyone seen amiga.org recently? You gotta check out
> the
> > news on the "revolutionary zero-footprint PC" made me laugh ;)
> >
> Made me laugh too! Revolutionary? Hardly :)
>
> Unfortunatley the Windoze Sheep will think it so.

And it wasn't even unique to Amiga either. I mean, Amstrad's, Speccy's,
Commodore 64's and too many more to mention were all arranged this way (even
the BBC's)

Mark

Hi Mark,

> And it wasn't even unique to Amiga either. I mean, Amstrad's, Speccy's,
> Commodore 64's and too many more to mention were all arranged this way
> (even the BBC's)

There have been keyboard PCs before too, so it's hardly a novelty.

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)        /PGP key available/        T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Whhhhooooooooooooooooooooo?!!!?!?!

Hi

> Quake Exe | Version   | 480x384 | 800x600 | ScreenDepths |
> ----------+-----------+---------+---------+--------------|
> AWinQuake | 0.7       | 15.2    |  9.2    |  15 + 8      |
> GLQuake   | 1.0       | 22.0   | 12.0    |  15 + 15     |
> QuakePPC  | 1.09      | 20.0   |  9.4    |   8 + 8      |
> QuakeWOS  | 1.09      | 20.2   |  9.7    |   8 + 8      |
> FastQuake | release 5 | 14.8   | 11.4    |   8 + 8      |

This is not actually right.I get 35fps on my AGA 1200 with PPC603e
240MHz in 320x512 or 640x256.on 640x512 I get 9fps.BUT
on a friends Amiga with a 240MHz PPC and a BVision  FastQuake
runs at 27fps
               Bye
-- 
Amiga RULEZ in Greece TOO!!

Hi Robert

> Also, a Cheap TV-Movie has the same "Feel" to it, as they're shot at 25fps
> to save on production costs (Half the Video Tape, y'see)...

Ummm, no. They still use the same tape, just different cameras which work
differently. Tansferring celluloid to magnetic tape just has the movie feel
to it, but 25fps and 50fps both use the same amount of tape

Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.mashman.co.uk

 Needs another brain to make half-wit.

Hi

Workbench 3.0 User's Guide, page xv, paragraph 4, 4th from last word.

Did we start we start the term _multimedia_ for a computer which move gfx
and make a bleep at the same time?

Mash
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.mashman.co.uk

Alcohol, Caffeine, Nicotine, Chocolate: The 4 Food Groups.

On 29-Feb-00, Hugo Wilkinson wrote:

> If your an Amiga enthusiast and have some spare time, then e-mail me
> please..

Do you want to be a bit more specific, else you'll end up with 900 odd
people pleading for your time =)

Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.mashman.co.uk

My other computer is a piece of crap, too.

Hi

Could someone with an imac (ie. has no floppy drive) tell me if any programs
have a floppy disk icon for saving a file? I bet there is....

Mash
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.mashman.co.uk

Drop the leash, we are young -Pearl Jam

Hi Matthew,

Your clock is wrong... please don't post unless you fix it!

> On 29-Feb-00, Hugo Wilkinson wrote:

>> If your an Amiga enthusiast and have some spare time, then e-mail me
>> please..

> Do you want to be a bit more specific, else you'll end up with 900 odd
> people pleading for your time =)

> Mash - 

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)        /PGP key available/        T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Psychiatrists say that 1 of 4 people are mentally ill. Check three
friends. If they're OK, you're it.

Hi Matthew,

> Could someone with an imac (ie. has no floppy drive) tell me if any
> programs have a floppy disk icon for saving a file? I bet there is....

What?! Do you mean in the file requester? Then no, it doesn't, but then the
standard Mac file requester doesn't rely on icons.

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)        /PGP key available/        T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Family Fortunes answers:  Q. Name a way of cooking fish
                          A. Cod

Paul Laycock wrote:
> 
> Or how about the old game TinTin which was released about the same
> time as Batman? I think thats a bit of a stronger link! ;)

There was a Tintin game?  What type of game was it?  Hopefully it wasn't
a platformer in the style of Batman :-)

- Chris

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Vost [mailto:ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk]
> Sent: 01 March 2000 15:57
> To: afb@egroups.com
> Subject: [afb] Re: Enthusiastic? Spare time?
> 
> Your clock is wrong... please don't post unless you fix it!
<SNIP>

Ben, Was it really necessary to quote his entire message to give this one
line answer that had nothing to do with the message anyway?
-- 
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

> Hi
> 
> Could someone with an imac (ie. has no floppy drive) tell me 
> if any programs have a floppy disk icon for saving a file? I bet
> there is....

There is in Office 98 and all the Microsoft stuff. I'm sure it's in
AppleWorks (formerly ClarisWorks). Then again, it's *representing*
an action, not dictating one.

It's a DISK, not just a floppy disk. Could be a Zip disk. Could be
an LS120 disk. Could be anything. 

And hovering over the icon shows it's true nature: SAVE.

Someone needs to look up the word "icon" and the word "metaphor"

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

<rant>

> > Quake Exe | Version   | 480x384 | 800x600 | ScreenDepths |
> > ----------+-----------+---------+---------+--------------|
> > AWinQuake | 0.7       | 15.2    |  9.2    |  15 + 8      |
> > GLQuake   | 1.0       | 22.0  =B9 | 12.0    |  15 + 15     |
> > QuakePPC  | 1.09      | 20.0  =B2 |  9.4    |   8 + 8      |
> > QuakeWOS  | 1.09      | 20.2  =B2 |  9.7    |   8 + 8      |
> > FastQuake | release 5 | 14.8  =B3 | 11.4    |   8 + 8      |
>=20
> This is not actually right.I get 35fps on my AGA 1200 with PPC603e
> 240MHz in 320x512 or 640x256.on 640x512 I get 9fps.BUT
> on a friends Amiga with a 240MHz PPC and a BVision  FastQuake
> runs at 27fps

<kidding> Shut up shut up shut UP you big lardy QUAKE FREAKS! =
</kidding>

Neither 320x512 or 640x256 are listed in the table. Neither is 640x512.
Of course the numbers are wrong for those resolutions: they aren't =
listed.

I think next time you'd do well to READ the posts you reply to, and on
the off chance you may well UNDERSTAND one.

</rant>

--=20
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk=20
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hello Oliver,

> I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned here today...  BT Internet
> are now offering (as of 1 March) 0800 calls on weekday evenings
> (6pm-midnight) as well as at weekends.  What's more, they've reduced
> their subscription charge to =A39.99 per month.  Too good to be true?
> Maybe :)

OK, stupid question time.....

Can I set up my Amiga (via NetConnect) to access this? Or does it need
special software that only runs from a PC?

TIA,

Pam.

-- =

  -------------------
  pamj@ukonline.co.uk
  -------------------

 
> > > > Bzzzztt! The technology used in Neutrino has been around for
> > > > ages, and has been proven in many areas. Neutrino 2 just got
> > > > released (just the kernel), so that's being proven NOW.
> > > 
> > > But those "Many Areas" are BIG corporations (NASA etc.), 
> > > AFAIK it hasn't really been tested in the "Home" Environment
> > > as of yet...
> > 
> > There are a few webpad type thingies that run Neutrino.. that's
> > homey enough for me. If you mean as a desktop machine: the
> > desktop machine (although not the Desktop Metaphor) is
> > being phased out.
> > 
> > Go and search for the "Ottoman" PC - it's like a footstool with
> > a PC inside it!
> 
> But how *Expandable* are they? As expandable as a monitor...

As expandable as any old PC - the lid of the "footstool" flips up
to reveal a kinky LCD monitor, and the keyboard is embedded
in the stool like a normal laptop one. Obviously the "stool"
houses all the components, so they'll prolly be low-powered
laptop ones which are expensive, but just as upgradable as
any standard PC..
 
> > Remaining compatible with what? Windows? The Amiga? Your
> > PC hardware?
> 
> 99% of the home computing market is running using Proprietary
> systems (PCI/AGP/ISA Etc.). If a system come out that doesn't use
> one of these systems, it falls over (Amiga (Zorro), Archimedes (Acorn 
> SlotII)). The "Next Big Thing" is going to have to be compatible with
> the last  "Big Thing".

Right, an average home system is going to flop unless it has PCI
and/or AGP on it. We can agree on that. But what makes you think
either Amiga or QSSL are planning on targetting those markets in
a big way?

Surely the world is shifting into PDA's now? And laptops and Palmtops?
LCD screens and pen-devices?

As long as your device is well equipped from the start, you can do
anything with it for a long long time. I can't see the original Palm Pilots
being too obselete now that a colour one is out, they all still work just
as well in b&w. 

Now add a USB port to one and you have an uber-PDA. Standards
compliant, can we go home now?

With laptops, you hard-wire the graphics and sound into it, as long
as it's sufficiently low-power (Crusoe?) and sufficiently high-output
(the newer generation of gfx chips) then it'll last practically forever,
you aren't going to need cutting edge anything for something which
is based on portability.

PCI? AGP? What makes you think they WON'T support them? But also
what makes you think they'll NEED to?

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi Christopher,

> > Or how about the old game TinTin which was released about the same
> > time as Batman? I think thats a bit of a stronger link! ;)
> 
> There was a Tintin game?  What type of game was it?  Hopefully it
wasn't
> a platformer in the style of Batman :-)

Sorry to break it to you like this, but yeh! Its that only way anyone
ever did licenses... ;) I think it was in AF5. Never owned (or played)
the game, mind you!

Paul Laycock

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sealey, M. [mailto:mws2@leicester.ac.uk]
> Sent: 01 March 2000 16:17
> To: 'afb@egroups.com'
> Subject: [afb] RE: [afb] R=E8v=F3lo=FCti=F5n=E2r=FF (Was: What's on =
AFCD51?)
>=20
> With laptops, you hard-wire the graphics and sound into it, as long
> as it's sufficiently low-power (Crusoe?) and sufficiently high-output
> (the newer generation of gfx chips) then it'll last=20
> practically forever,

Notice a Trend here? Didn't the Amiga do the same thing? Isn't that =
what got
us into this mess?
--=20
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

 
> > With laptops, you hard-wire the graphics and sound into it, as long
> > as it's sufficiently low-power (Crusoe?) and sufficiently 
> > high-output (the newer generation of gfx chips) then it'll last 
> > practically forever,
> 
> Notice a Trend here? Didn't the Amiga do the same thing? 
> Isn't that what got us into this mess?

No, if you read back you'll find that Commodore went tits up, which
got us "into this mess". If the Amiga had been left to advance, it'd be
just like the Macintosh is now.. or the PC.. or both?

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sealey, M. [mailto:mws2@leicester.ac.uk]
> Sent: 01 March 2000 16:36
> To: 'afb@egroups.com'
> Subject: [afb] RE: [afb] RE: [afb] RE: [afb] =
R=E8v=F3lo=FCti=F5n=E2r=FF=20
> (Was: What's
> on AFCD51?)
>=20
> > > With laptops, you hard-wire the graphics and sound into=20
> it, as long
> > > as it's sufficiently low-power (Crusoe?) and sufficiently=20
> > > high-output (the newer generation of gfx chips) then it'll last=20
> > > practically forever,
> >=20
> > Notice a Trend here? Didn't the Amiga do the same thing?=20
> > Isn't that what got us into this mess?
>=20
> No, if you read back you'll find that Commodore went tits up, which
> got us "into this mess". If the Amiga had been left to=20
> advance, it'd be
> just like the Macintosh is now.. or the PC.. or both?

Would it? Yes, I admit Commodore went (To borrow your metaphor) "Tits =
Up",
but the problem with integrated Hardware is that it becomes Obsolete =
very
quickly, and is VERY difficult to change. Look at PC Laptops. They have =
a
Life Expectancy of 4 Months (From the mouth of both a Toshiba and an HP
Rep)!

Do we really want to fall into that trap?
--=20
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

> > I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned here today...  BT Internet
> > are now offering (as of 1 March) 0800 calls on weekday evenings
> > (6pm-midnight) as well as at weekends.  What's more, they've reduced
> > their subscription charge to =A39.99 per month.  Too good to be true?
> > Maybe :)
> 

Oohh, 

I may just consider de-subbing from Wirenet to join up for this (and I
can still use Cable & Wireless cheaper calls during the day).  

I mean - =A314 a month for a very good service and 20Mb space but no real
free time

Or =A310 a month for a service i aint sure about, unkown webspace but
free calls evenings and weekends??

So, what i now need to know is whats the service like? (connection wise
- dont need technical) whats the website space and what URL do you
get????

Oh, and can my Miggy handle everything ok (i can sign up at uni)

Ta, muchly,

Bifford.

> > No, if you read back you'll find that Commodore went tits up, which
> > got us "into this mess". If the Amiga had been left to advance, it'd
> > be just like the Macintosh is now.. or the PC.. or both?
> 
> Would it? Yes, I admit Commodore went (To borrow your 
> metaphor) "Tits Up", but the problem with integrated Hardware

with a capital H?

> is that it becomes Obsolete

With a capital O?

> very quickly, and is VERY difficult to change.

Do your research: Dave Haynie was all for a move to PCI instead of
Zorro, and moving the display off the motherboard. OS3.1 was the
first step to get rid of the AGA chipset by building in features for
RTG cards... and then they went (to borrow my metaphor back)
tits up.

> Look at PC Laptops. They have a Life Expectancy of 4 Months
> (From the mouth of both a Toshiba and an HP Rep)!

Yep, SALES REPS. A shelf-life of 4 months. Take home that
Toshiba Satellite Laptop (with it's PII 300 processor) and it'll
last you 3 years and only just be a low-end system. It's not
like you'll wanna run Quake 6 on it..

> Do we really want to fall into that trap?

What trap? Of being guided by sales and marketing chaps? We
already did.. but thankfully neither Fleecy, Bill, Francis C., Chris
Hinsley? or Dan Dodge are driven by sales either..

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

"Boo" are my initials!!...don't wear them out!.. ;)

Toffy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Samuel Byford [mailto:sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com]
> Sent: 01 March 2000 16:46
> To: afb@eGroups.com
> Subject: [afb] Re: BT Internet
>=20
>=20
>=20
> > > I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned here today... =20
> BT Internet
> > > are now offering (as of 1 March) 0800 calls on weekday evenings
> > > (6pm-midnight) as well as at weekends.  What's more,=20
> they've reduced
> > > their subscription charge to =A39.99 per month.  Too good=20
> to be true?
> > > Maybe :)
> >=20
>=20
> Oohh,=20
>=20
> I may just consider de-subbing from Wirenet to join up for this (and =
I
> can still use Cable & Wireless cheaper calls during the day). =20
>=20
> I mean - =A314 a month for a very good service and 20Mb space=20
> but no real
> free time
>=20
> Or =A310 a month for a service i aint sure about, unkown webspace but
> free calls evenings and weekends??
>=20
> So, what i now need to know is whats the service like?=20
> (connection wise
> - dont need technical) whats the website space and what URL do you
> get????
>=20
> Oh, and can my Miggy handle everything ok (i can sign up at uni)

Oops, I missed out on this the First time, but Enterprise (My ISP) have =
just
announced 0800 Weekend access coming with the Next Batch of CD's (Due =
in the
post today), as well as planned "Always Off-peak" schemes and =
suchlike...
The Charge? =A311.75+VAT, and you get 25Mb Webspace, Unlimited =
Multilinks,
Unlimited E-mail space, Unlimited E-Mail Addresses, CGI + SSI, Local =
Rate
Tech Support...

Oh just visit the site! http://www.enterprise.net
--=20
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk

> > Your clock is wrong... please don't post unless you fix it!
> <SNIP>
> 
> Ben, Was it really necessary to quote his entire message to give this
one
> line answer that had nothing to do with the message anyway?
> 

Especially when the date and time was right!  It came up as a couple of
minutes earlier than your message!!

Bifford.

Not much going on the 15th of march....

I then become 22...

anyone here got equal to =A3500 to give me so I can buy PPC-hardware for
my
miggy and cheer me up?...

all donations accepted..as long as it's in real money..:D

Toffy

> So, what i now need to know is whats the service like? (connection
wise
> - dont need technical) whats the website space and what URL do you
> get????
> 
> Oh, and can my Miggy handle everything ok (i can sign up at uni)
> 

Sorry folks.  Answer one of my own questions here! The Web space is 2Gb
and the url a disapointing http://www.btinternet.com/~yourname

Well. the limit is nice but the url isnt :)  :(

TTFN

Bifford.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sealey, M. [mailto:mws2@leicester.ac.uk]
> Sent: 01 March 2000 16:49
> To: 'afb@egroups.com'
> Subject: [afb] RE: [afb] RE: R=E8v=F3lo=FCti=F5n=E2r=FF (Was: What's =
on AFCD51?)
>=20
> > > No, if you read back you'll find that Commodore went tits=20
> up, which
> > > got us "into this mess". If the Amiga had been left to=20
> advance, it'd
> > > be just like the Macintosh is now.. or the PC.. or both?
> >=20
> > Would it? Yes, I admit Commodore went (To borrow your=20
> > metaphor) "Tits Up", but the problem with integrated Hardware
>=20
> with a capital H?
>=20
> > is that it becomes Obsolete
>=20
> With a capital O?

I get irritated, and Start Spelling Words With Capitalised First =
Characters,
OKAY???
:)

> > very quickly, and is VERY difficult to change.
>=20
> Do your research: Dave Haynie was all for a move to PCI instead of
> Zorro, and moving the display off the motherboard. OS3.1 was the
> first step to get rid of the AGA chipset by building in features for
> RTG cards... and then they went (to borrow my metaphor back)
> tits up.

Because of slow sales and bad advertising. I admit the Bad advertising =
was
their fault, but you must see my point. And how do you know what Mr. =
Haynie
was thinking? Is there some secret information source you have?

> > Look at PC Laptops. They have a Life Expectancy of 4 Months
> > (From the mouth of both a Toshiba and an HP Rep)!
>=20
> Yep, SALES REPS. A shelf-life of 4 months. Take home that
> Toshiba Satellite Laptop (with it's PII 300 processor) and it'll
> last you 3 years and only just be a low-end system. It's not
> like you'll wanna run Quake 6 on it..

They were quoting average obsolesence figures, with back-up paperwork

> > Do we really want to fall into that trap?
>=20
> What trap? Of being guided by sales and marketing chaps? We
> already did.. but thankfully neither Fleecy, Bill, Francis C., Chris
> Hinsley? or Dan Dodge are driven by sales either..

So they don't want any wages?
Strange.

Come on, They are in it for personal gain. You don't get something for
nothing, and you don't work for free. NO-ONE does. It may seem strange, =
but
this world is driven by "Profit & Loss", and if you don't make a =
company
profit, you're out!--=20
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk
Still IMHO...

Added 5 retailers of AF in norway to the database...
So that Norwegians who are a bit lost can find it if they
happend to surf through any of the places...

Most retailers don't stock it but you can get them to order 
AF...

Retail sales price in norway is hmmm.....129 NKR or something,...
that is about =A39,69 in british pounds an issue...

toffy

Hi everyone,

> Can you help me?  I am setting really pathetic download speeds with
> my system.  I have an A1200 '040 25mhz, clock up card and an Ioblix
> 1200 serial card.
> I seem to get speeds of about 1500cps?  Is there anyway of testing or
> patching my system to get better speeds.  I am using a baud rate of
> 115200 (230400 unsteady!).
> 
> Also, using Genesis, it is difficult to set up.  I had to set up using
> the serial port and then install the ioblix and software to get on
line.
> 
> Are other cards like the twister faster?

Hi.  It's Nick again.  I have found that using version 37.14 of the 
Ioblix software made  actually made my machine go slower!  When I
reverted
back to version 37.12 my speeds went back up to 2000+.  Why?

P.S.  Has anyone noticed that TweekWB has a problem with Fblit (v3.51)?
      Version 2.51 seems to be O.K though.
      CtrlWB is less memory hogging on startup but uses more ChipRam
      when you open windows.

Regards,
Nick

-------
G.A.G  (Gloucestershire Amiga Group)
       http://www.free0052804.free4all.co.uk
-------
> 

Hello.
Is that generous Lords of Chaos owner (who responded to my AF Reader Ad a=
 while back)
on this list?
-- =

<sb>Geo

On 29-Feb-00, Paul Laycock wrote:

> While I don't bother with termination; PowerUp emulation! However,
> FastQuake doesn't work with this :( Hope Frank Wille gets QuakeWOS
> using total conversions soon.

Can you give me some pointers as to how to set up the PowerUp emulation t=
hen?
I have a BlizzardPPC,and I've got 'BPPCFix Reboot >NIL:' in the startup-s=
equence,and the PPC.library from Frank Wille's site in LIBS:
But I can't run PowerUp programs.~Can't open your tool ADoom/whatever" :(=

Any ideas?
-- =

<sb>Geo

> > > very quickly, and is VERY difficult to change.
> > 
> > Do your research: Dave Haynie was all for a move to PCI instead of
> > Zorro, and moving the display off the motherboard. OS3.1 was the
> > first step to get rid of the AGA chipset by building in features for
> > RTG cards... and then they went (to borrow my metaphor back)
> > tits up.
> 
> Because of slow sales and bad advertising. 

Sales were NOT "slow". They went down because they cocked up the
PC division which sucked up all the money.

> advertising was their fault, but you must see my point. And how do
> you know  what Mr. Haynie was thinking? Is there some secret
> information source you have?

I'm a Phoenix member, he's a Phoenix member. Discussed
stuff, I've emailed him a few times.. I've read the Dave Haynie
Archives (look on Amiga.org for the link) and we've been over
all the nostalgia crap. He wouldn't recognise me in a crowd, it's
not that kind of thing, but I've certainly been involved in
discussions about this sort of stuff.

Hell, isn't he on the TeamAMIGA list?

> > Yep, SALES REPS. A shelf-life of 4 months. Take home that
> > Toshiba Satellite Laptop (with it's PII 300 processor) and it'll
> > last you 3 years and only just be a low-end system. It's not
> > like you'll wanna run Quake 6 on it..
> 
> They were quoting average obsolesence figures, with back-up paperwork

Ahem, SALES REPS?
 
> > What trap? Of being guided by sales and marketing chaps? We
> > already did.. but thankfully neither Fleecy, Bill, Francis C., Chris
> > Hinsley? or Dan Dodge are driven by sales either..
> 
> So they don't want any wages?

Yes they do, but they aren't driven by sales targets..

> Come on, They are in it for personal gain.

Ha! You've got something to learn if you think either Fleecy or
Bill will be making any kind of significant money out of Amiga
for at least a year or two.

Amiga, QSSL and Tao are all technology-driven companies,
they thrive by making the best technology available rather
than competing with thousands of others by undercutting
prices and launching huge marketing campaigns.

Hence, they are not driven by sales. HP and Toshiba ARE.

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> Most retailers don't stock it but you can get them to order=20
> AF...
>=20
> Retail sales price in norway is hmmm.....129 NKR or something,...
> that is about =A39,69 in british pounds an issue...

The moral of this story is (all together!):

S U B S C R I B E !

--=20
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk=20
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> P.S.  Has anyone noticed that TweekWB has a problem with 
> Fblit (v3.51)?
>       Version 2.51 seems to be O.K though.
>       CtrlWB is less memory hogging on startup but uses more ChipRam
>       when you open windows.

If you only have FBlit 3.51 you need to set the LoadWB command to
use SIMPLEGELS otherwise **FBlit** sucks up memory, not WBCtrl.

To fix it properly?

Right, go to http://www.tpec.u-net.com and get FBlit 3.56e because
you'll need it for this. Note down your FBlit settings, and delete the
ENVARC:FBlit.cfg file before installing it. Get the newest WBCtrl as
well.

Now, when you start using the new FBlit, load up the GUI (type FBlit
again) and check that the QBSBlitPatch is enabled, and that the AddBob
and RemBob patches are disabled. Add your tasks to the lists again,
including IPrefs (get the double thingies right ;)

Now put WBCtrl just before the LoadWB line (which can now just
use standard arguments, i.e. get rid of SIMPLEGELS), and set it to
look like this:

:
WBCtrl IMT=ICONFAST
LoadWB ..
:


et voila! If you're having lots of trouble, just give me a poke and I'll
see if I can help. For I am the FBlit Master!!!

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi M.,

> As long as your device is well equipped from the start, you can do
> anything with it for a long long time. I can't see the original Palm
> Pilots being too obselete now that a colour one is out, they all still
> work just as well in b&w.

The colour one's screen resolution is much too low...

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)        /PGP key available/        T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
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*Quiz tag:* name the Tube station whose name does not contain any of 
the letters in the word "mackerel"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sealey, M. [mailto:mws2@leicester.ac.uk]
> Sent: 01 March 2000 17:13
> To: 'afb@egroups.com'
> Subject: [afb] RE: [afb] RE: [afb] RE: [afb] RE: =
R=E8v=F3lo=FCti=F5n=E2r=FF (Was:
> What's on AFCD51?)
>=20
>=20
> > > > very quickly, and is VERY difficult to change.
> > >=20
> > > Do your research: Dave Haynie was all for a move to PCI instead =
of
> > > Zorro, and moving the display off the motherboard. OS3.1 was the
> > > first step to get rid of the AGA chipset by building in=20
> features for
> > > RTG cards... and then they went (to borrow my metaphor back)
> > > tits up.
> >=20
> > Because of slow sales and bad advertising.=20
>=20
> Sales were NOT "slow". They went down because they cocked up the
> PC division which sucked up all the money.

Two different divisions that had virtually nothing to do with each =
other
(Apart from the Brand name)...

> > advertising was their fault, but you must see my point. And how do
> > you know  what Mr. Haynie was thinking? Is there some secret
> > information source you have?
>=20
> I'm a Phoenix member, he's a Phoenix member. Discussed
> stuff, I've emailed him a few times.. I've read the Dave Haynie
> Archives (look on Amiga.org for the link) and we've been over
> all the nostalgia crap. He wouldn't recognise me in a crowd, it's
> not that kind of thing, but I've certainly been involved in
> discussions about this sort of stuff.
>=20
> Hell, isn't he on the TeamAMIGA list?

Probably, I wouldn't know, I'm not on that list.

> > > Yep, SALES REPS. A shelf-life of 4 months. Take home that
> > > Toshiba Satellite Laptop (with it's PII 300 processor) and it'll
> > > last you 3 years and only just be a low-end system. It's not
> > > like you'll wanna run Quake 6 on it..
> >=20
> > They were quoting average obsolesence figures, with back-up=20
> paperwork
>=20
> Ahem, SALES REPS?

Yes, Sales Reps. I enjoy tripping them up, but the figures were from a =
FT
Study about 2 months ago (IIRC)

> > > What trap? Of being guided by sales and marketing chaps? We
> > > already did.. but thankfully neither Fleecy, Bill,=20
> Francis C., Chris
> > > Hinsley? or Dan Dodge are driven by sales either..
> >=20
> > So they don't want any wages?
>=20
> Yes they do, but they aren't driven by sales targets..

No Sales =3D No Profits =3D No Wages, Therefore:-
No Sales =3D No Wages...

Not Sales Driven?

> > Come on, They are in it for personal gain.
>=20
> Ha! You've got something to learn if you think either Fleecy or
> Bill will be making any kind of significant money out of Amiga
> for at least a year or two.
>=20
> Amiga, QSSL and Tao are all technology-driven companies,
> they thrive by making the best technology available rather
> than competing with thousands of others by undercutting
> prices and launching huge marketing campaigns.
>=20
> Hence, they are not driven by sales. HP and Toshiba ARE.

I admit HP and Toshiba are DIRECTLY driven by Profit, QSSL and TAO Are
INDIRECTLY driven by Profit. They won't associate themselves with =
companies
making (Or looking to make) a loss, as those companies cannot afford =
their
technology. Amiga, However, is going to be selling into the Retail =
market
DIRECTLY, so therefore they will need to shift units. They may be =
relying on
Technology-driven companies, but it does not make them one themselves. =
Look
at Apple. They're in the same boat as us, but doing better with it, =
mainly
because they had the DTP market holding them afloat.
--=20
Robert Johnston (A.C.P.)
Customer Response Operative, Simply Computers
0870 727 4020 x657
Free delivery on the Web @ http://www.simply.co.uk
Still IMHO...

> > As long as your device is well equipped from the start, you can do
> > anything with it for a long long time. I can't see the original Palm
> > Pilots being too obselete now that a colour one is out, 
> > they all still work just as well in b&w.
> 
> The colour one's screen resolution is much too low...

What's the res on your Palm.. III is it? Ben? What's the newest
B&W one at, is it any better or was that a purely speed/feature
upgrade?

And what's the colour one at? 

I'm not too "up" on this Palm thing, as I can't find an excuse to
buy one..

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi M.,

> What's the res on your Palm.. III is it? Ben? What's the newest
> B&W one at, is it any better or was that a purely speed/feature
> upgrade?

It's not high. Hang on - the screenshots on palmgear are at 160x160. The
newer Palms (the V, Vx, VII) have the same screen but better backlighting.

> And what's the colour one at? 

I think it's the same, but it's likely to be higher. However, the overall
result is apparently lower (because it would have to be at least three
times higher to have the same apparent res as the mono version).

> I'm not too "up" on this Palm thing, as I can't find an excuse to
> buy one..

I wouldn't be without mine now.

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)        /PGP key available/        T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format                             F: (+44) 01225 732275
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