AmigaActive (1020/1728)

From:Matt Sealey
Date:21 Jun 2001 at 11:36:03
Subject:Re: Whinge,whinge!!!!

Hello Alan

On 21-Jun-01, you wrote:

> hi,
>
>> Consider that: if MorphOS was the AmigaOS 4.x kernel, you wouldn't
>> need ANYTHING from Haage & Partner. They're out of the picture, but
>> Amiga decided they wanted to keep them (after some *ahem* persuasion
>> from H&P)
>
> ummmm, kernel != OS

H&P is only providing ExecPPC - which is the AmigaOS PPC kernel choice.

>From that point on, you can pick anyone you like to add components -
but for MorphOS half of this is done.

> you'd still have to improve and addon to what we already have...you'd
> still want proper media streaming, streaming datatypes, proper
> multiprinting support, built in MODERN TCP/IP stack (with firewalling,
> DHCP, proxy etc), better preferences, RTG/RTA/RTIO etc

Who's doing all of that?

Well.. take all of the RTx stuff out, and that's the work of Olaf Barthel,
who is NOT one to have issues with anybody. RTG is already part of
MorphOS, rejigging it to some new API would not be difficult (and who
better to add legacy compatibility than those who wrote the original?)

As for a MODERN TCP/IP stack, what did you think AmiTCP/IP was?

>> And why WOULD there be a battle between kernel matters, devenv
>> or RTG issues? Because for MorphOS, they're complete already. How
>> can you argue a finished product?
>
> MorphOS is very much beta still. Ralph and FRank do not want it (as it
> currently is) to be described as a finished product (which it certainly
> isnt) - which is why you still cant buy it.

MorphOS is potentially running on all 10,000 of the supposed phase5
PPC cards out there and a lot of DCE ones too: it has been for the best
part of a year now (longer, even, in development).

How many times have you seen AmigaOS 4.x running?

>> (it should be noted that the Picasso96 authors are only doing work
>> because VisionFactory aren't. The use of MorphOS/CGX 5 precludes
>> them from ever getting near the AmigaOS, they can only have been
>> a "second option" of sorts)
>
> ..and whats good about that?

That the work is practically finished? CGX and MorphOS work.

> closing down the OS to 3rd party implementations is a BAD THING(tm).

.. and somehow in your mind, Tobias Abt and Alex Kneer aren't a "3rd Party"?

> at least with the OS as it currently is, ANYONE can write an RTG system.

Right... yes, Alan. Do you always talk so much crap?

Open is only as open as you can get it. How open is WarpUP? Do you see
the source? Do you get a say in it's development? Who writes it? Who
maintains it? Who did Microcode solutions have to constantly complain
to about bugs in WarpUP?

How open is a 3rd party PPC kernel like H&P's "ExecPPC"? How more open
is that than a 3rd party PPC kernel like Quark/MorphOS?

You should stop using buzzwords and think for once.

Thanks



Matt Sealey <matt@kittycat.co.uk>
Website http://www.kittycat.co.uk

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