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To request a complete OS/2 BBS Information Package detailing the OS/2 BBS offering and including pricing and registration/access information, please call: 1-800-547-1283. ===== OS2WPS CFORUM created at 01:46:18 on 92/04/08 GMT (by HOPKINS at AUSVM8) IBM UNCLASSIFIED ---------------- The information in this forum is considered by IBM to be external and may be shared by everyone who is given access. This forum is shared with the internal IBM employee conferences. Forum: OS2WPS CFORUM Forum subject: OS/2 Version 2 Workplace Shell This FORUM is provided as a conferencing tool to promote the discussion of issues, questions, and problems pertaining to OS/2 Version 2 Workplace Shell. Contributions must not contain confidential or proprietary information. 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The OS2BBS CFORUM is where anyone may raise concerns regarding rules violations found in this and other CFORUMS. The IBM Owner of this forum is: Name: Kenneth M. Hopkins, OS/2 Support Services Mailing Address: IBM Manufacturing and Development 11400 Burnet Road Internal Zip 2900-042/1D003 Austin, Texas 78758 IBM Node/Userid: AUSVM8/HOPKINS ..... 5345 lines pruned at 07:49:14 on 92/09/11 GMT (by FOLGER at YKTVMV) ..... ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 02:48:18 on 92/07/01 GMT (by IL22993 at OS2CUST) Subject: Adding programs to object menus...PROBLEM Ref: Append at 03:50:09 on 92/06/29 GMT (by SBCWILL at SYDVM1) Try this one... I just made it work Instead of adding the program by program name, create a WPS object, and in the parameters, add a prompt. For example on the system editor, I added [enter file name]. I suppose on the lotus 123 object, you could add a spreadsheet name with -w [enter spreadsheet name] (but I did not try this). Then, when you add the program to the menu, rather than adding e.exe, do a "find" then "locate", either pick the open folder that contains the new program object, or use the drive tree to find the object that refers to the program. Select the new object, and back your way out of find so that the menu contains this object. Now when you open the edit from the menu, it opens the program object, gets its settings, and when a [prompt] is in the parameters, you get prompted for it. (At least this all works with "System Editor") Note The : in the text above are the left and right square brackets. I hope that this helps. George Clark, Norton Company ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 03:46:39 on 92/07/01 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Modify objects. How can I modify a program object from REXX ? Let's say I'd like to change the'OS/2 Window'- s default behavior from 'Display existing --> Create new' and minimize to desktop. How can I do it from REXX? Where are that kind of things documented? Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:19:04 on 92/07/01 GMT (by SAMI3QU at OS2CUST) Subject: Tell me about WP ROOT SF Ref: Append at 22:05:14 on 92/06/30 GMT (by BART08 at OS2CUST) The Colorado Memory Systems software (at least for the Jumbo 120 and 250) does backup the EA DATA. SF and WP ROOT. SF files, but upon restore it eliminates the imbedded spaces (EADATA.SF and WPROOT.SF). Can't you just use a HD/directory management tool to rename these files to the proper names? Mark Thompson - Coal Services Corp. St. Louis, MO ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:28:49 on 92/07/01 GMT (by SAMI3QU at OS2CUST) Subject: Modify objects. Ref: Append at 03:46:39 on 92/07/01 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Supposedly, the SysCreateObject function can be used to modify WPS objects. There is an append on the REXX forum that describes the function and it's parameters in a lot more detail than the online REXX reference. I have been able to create new objects using this function, but I have yet to successfully modify an existing object. I plan on posting a question to this effect on the REXX forum. Do a Find in the REXX forum on SysCreateObject to find the above-mentioned append. Mark Thompson - Coal Services Corp. St. Louis, MO ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:36:45 on 92/07/01 GMT (by PNWB016 at HONE86) Subject: LAN Aware? Ref: Append at 17:39:53 on 92/06/30 GMT (by TBHIC at OS2CUST) Matt: I agree... we also have problems where applications that have code and/or data on the server get launched by the WpS restart before the LAN logon has completed. Are there any workarounds for this? It would be neat if the WpS would wait until the drive is mounted before launching apps that require the drive. Wayne "Isn't this part of what it means to be 'Lan Aware'" Holmes U S WEST Communications P.S. The above should be true for ALL LAN types... Lan Server, NetWare, Banyan, TCP/IP, etc... ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:04:21 on 92/07/01 GMT (by OCANUC at BETASVM2) Subject: Modify objects. Ref: Append at 03:46:39 on 92/07/01 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) The OS2REXX customer forum might be a place to get a faster answer to your question. Brandon Booth Advanced Programming - ICSRS ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 05:44:10 on 92/07/02 GMT (by WZ00511 at OS2CUST) Subject: Adding programs to object menus...PROBLEM Ref: Append at 02:48:18 on 92/07/01 GMT (by IL22993 at OS2CUST) George, Could you be a little more specific on the steps you outline in paragraph 3 ....the one that begins "Then, when you add the program to the menu". (Maybe I shouldn't read these appends at 2am while I'm trying to do my assembler homework at the same time...but at 2400 baud I can read/code between screen refreshes!) Thanks in advance. Brad Bueche NationsBank EUC/Hotline Support Norfolk, VA ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:17:16 on 92/07/02 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Adding programs to object menus...PROBLEM Ref: Append at 05:44:10 on 92/07/02 GMT (by WZ00511 at OS2CUST) Brad: If I could help ... From the Desktop context menu, SETTINGS->MENU Half way down the MENU page is a "Create.." button, press. This will display a panel with two input fields. The first is the name you wish to display on the context menu. The second is the program or object name. Enter in the name. For the program or object name, press the "Find" button. After a few momenets a result screen will be displayed. Select the program or object by LMB, press "OK" and close everything down. Back at the desktop you have now added an additional selection to the context menu. Michael Harper - Cdn Depository for Securities, Ltd ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:09:19 on 92/07/02 GMT (by CLINE at CARVM3) - Subject: Changing Title but not Real Name on HPFS Ref: Append at 16:45:29 on 92/05/15 GMT (by IL22868 at OS2CUST) Is there a way to change the Title of a program object without changing the program's file system name if I am using HPFS? If I change DCD.EXE to Decomposition Diagrammer, I can invoke it from the desktop, but it and other interrelated programs are still looking for DCD.EXE from internal calls. Surely this is a general problem, to which there is an obvious solution which I am missing. I did not find a response to the referenced append, which is the same problem. Steve Cline <cline@carvm3.vnet.ibm.com> ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:28:23 on 92/07/02 GMT (by LAW at CARVM3) --- Subject: Changing Title but not Real Name on HPFS Ref: Append at 18:09:19 on 92/07/02 GMT (by CLINE at CARVM3) Steve, One ought never to mess with the "program object" (technically, the WPProgramFile object). Instead, create "program references" which refer to it and modify those to have the fancy title. Program references are the things you get when you peel off a "Program" template. Bill Law ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:35:20 on 92/07/02 GMT (by DTS936 at PKMFGVM3) Subject: Changing Title but not Real Name on HPFS Ref: Append at 18:09:19 on 92/07/02 GMT (by CLINE at CARVM3) There are a couple of concepts that must be cleared up. If you are looking at objects in a Drives folder, they are considered file objects. If you make changes via Settings, they work on the physical copy of the file. What you really wanted to do was create a program object on the desktop, and here's a way to do it. 1) Drag a program object from the Templates folder and drop it on the desktop. 2) Double click on the icon. The Settings notebook will open. 3) Specify the pertinent info on the first page. Full path name, arguments, working directory can all be specified. 4) Turn to the General page and give it any title you want. The big advantage to this is that you can have many program objects pointing to the same program, all specifying different parameters. Don Southwick ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:36:24 on 92/07/02 GMT (by IL41624 at OS2CUST) Subject: CREATING DATA FILE OBJECTS I ATTEMPTED TO CREATE A DATA FILE OBJECT BY COPYING THE DATA FILE TEMPLATE ON THE TEMPLATE FOLDER TO A NEW FOLDER I HAD CREATED FOR VARIOUS DATA FILES. I CLICKED MOUSE BUTTON TWO ON THE NEW DATA FILE OBJECT TO ALTER THE SETTINGS AND THEN SELECTED FILES FROM THE SETUP BOOK. I AM NOT ABLE TO ALTER THE PATH OR FILE NAME IN THE SETTINGS FOR SOME REASON. IS THERE SOME OTHER DEPENDENT SETTING IN THE DATA OBJECT SETUP OR FOLDER SETUP THAT I MISSED? JSWAN ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:03:47 on 92/07/02 GMT (by IL22993 at OS2CUST) Subject: CREATING DATA FILE OBJECTS Ref: Append at 20:36:24 on 92/07/02 GMT (by IL41624 at OS2CUST) I believe that when you tear off a template of a "Data File" you actually create a new data file, NOT a reference, like you get with a "Program" So... To change path, you need to drag the data file into whatever folder that you want it in and the system will move the file for you. That had me pretty confused early on in the EEP and I had complained about it but no one ever changed it. I believed it would have been better if "Program" was actually named "Program Reference" to make it clear you are creating a reference. Not that anyone would expect to actually create a new executable that way, but to clarify the things that are NOT references. One side benefit on actually creating a new data file, is that if you create a data file, and edit it to contain a sample layout, such as a text file with filled in headings, etc, and then go into that object's settings and make IT a template, then when you drag off a copy of it, you will get a copy of the file, template text data and all. I hope this helps... Good Luck George Clark, Norton Company ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:32:14 on 92/07/02 GMT (by CLINE at CARVM3) - Subject: Changing Title but not Real Name on HPFS Ref: Append at 18:35:20 on 92/07/02 GMT (by DTS936 at PKMFGVM3) Append at 18:28:23 on 92/07/02 GMT (by LAW at CARVM3) Thanks, works like a charm! - Knew it had to be pilot error. Steve Cline <cline@carvm3.vnet.ibm.com> ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 22:14:54 on 92/07/05 GMT (by ADUNSMUI at TOROLAB6) Subject: Tell me about WP ROOT SF Ref: Append at 13:19:04 on 92/07/01 GMT (by SAMI3QU at OS2CUST) I'm no expert, but I think the names are different on purpose... Unless your backup was from _immediately_ before the restore, the EADATA.SF and WPROOT.SF data represent the state of your system at some point in the past. Any new files/activity would alter the "real" files, and if you simply restored the backups over the "real" files, you would lose ALL of your updates. The final phase of the restore requires a smart utility program that will take data from the EADATA.SF and WPROOT.SF files and use it to replace the entries in your EA DATA. SF and WP ROOT. SF files which correspond to the files which you are restoring. Al Dunsmuir - Appended at 6:03:18 PM EDT on 92/07/05 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:11:58 on 92/07/06 GMT (by TBHIC at OS2CUST) ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 21:09:41 on 92/07/06 GMT (by TBHIC at OS2CUST) Subject: LAN Aware? This APPEND was deleted at 17:09:40 on 07/06/92 EST. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:39:51 on 92/07/06 GMT (by MATT at FSHVMFK1) Subject:Moving to a new computer with bigger drive (Hope this is a good place to ask... ) Moving from a mod 80-111 to an 80-321. Currently have os/2 on a 35M C drive with CM on the D drive. I would like to move os/2 to a 60M C drive on the new computer. If I hook the two computers together, will beable to do something like a diskcopy and still preserve my WPS? What is the best way to do this? Matt King -- East Fishkill, NY ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:59:32 on 92/07/06 GMT (by IL39800 at OS2CUST) Subject: Disappearing application We are running Notes on our LAN. I am on a 2.0 requester, connecting to a 1.3 server at CSD 5050. Up until about an hour ago, I was able to access Notes wit hout any problems or errors. However, at some point, when I try to use Notes, It appears to be starting and then just disappears, no messages, no nothing. I logged off and shut down and tried again with no luck. I went to another 2.0 requester, logged on and was able to access the application as always. Chris Silsby, Michigan Dept. of Treasury ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:43:05 on 92/07/07 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Font palette's quality. Did anyone take a deeper look of the font -palette? It needs a serious functional enhancement and code quality improvement. . The application HAS TO BE a Multi-threaded app with a separate working and message queue. it just turns the Wait Icon ON and I have to wait. It's unacceptable from a 32bit operation system. For the Ctrl+Esc I get the Appl not responding dialog box. When I want to add fonts, I want to see the standard file dialog box. Changing from A:\ to O:\images\OS2SE20\pmdd_5 takes a LONG time and I do make typo. It takes a long time when it reads a directory with font files.OK. But DON'T put on the Wait Icon. The win3-s ATM 2.0 does a better job. Plus if I run it seamless, and I move my mouse over a clean area, I can switch off and type this angry memo while ATM copies the fonts from the CORELL CD. Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:34:15 on 92/07/08 GMT (by ALLT001 at OS2CUST) Subject: Starting maximized character based app. Ref: Append at 15:37:32 on 92/04/13 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) This is something I miss too. WE COULD DO THIS IN 1.3!!! I don't care how it happens but I need a way to do this also. Bruce M. Ferry, ALLTEL Corporation ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:41:46 on 92/07/08 GMT (by USCC006 at OS2CUST) ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 17:46:42 on 92/07/08 GMT (by USCC006 at OS2CUST) Subject: Systemwide defaults for folders This APPEND was deleted at 13:46:41 on 07/08/92 EST. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:45:53 on 92/07/08 GMT (by USCC006 at OS2CUST) Subject: Systemwide defaults for folders If this is covered somewhere already, please point me there. I would like for the icons in ALL folders to be FLOWED by default. How? Jerry Allen - University of South Carolina ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:23:41 on 92/07/08 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: Starting maximized character based app. Ref: Append at 15:37:32 on 92/04/13 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) If you use START to fire up your application there is the /FS parameter, which will give you the Fullscreen. If you start it from a Programobject, you can specify the session type on settings page. Just in case you would like to start a PM application - there is the /MAX parameter, too. Enjoy ! Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/07/08 14:21 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:35:47 on 92/07/08 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Starting maximized character based app. Ref: Append at 18:23:41 on 92/07/08 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Gregory, You knew WPS. Do you knew what are the C-SET/2 compiler settings to compile the SOM example in the Winter 92 Pers Syst Dev magazine? Pretty Please! Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:02:32 on 92/07/08 GMT (by LAW at CARVM3) --- Subject: C-Set/2 optionsto compile SOM code Ref: Append at 19:35:47 on 92/07/08 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) I use the following options to compile all my SOM code. Note that some of the SOM-generated code will cause warning messages using certain compiler options (/Kb included). /c /Gd- /Sa /Ms /Gm+ /Kb /Q+ /Ge+ /Gt- /O- /Ss /Ti+ The /Ge+ is perhaps unconventional. Check the C-Set/2 doc for an explanation. I don't think SOM requires anything special, though. Perhaps the code in question was written for a previous version of SOM and/or C-Set/2 and is now obsolete? William A. Law (Bill) IBM Corporation P.O. Box 60000 K41/2Ba/671 Cary, NC USA 27511 (919) 469-6457 law@carvm3.iinus1.ibm.com ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:54:58 on 92/07/09 GMT (by TALLEY at DALVM41B) Subject: CREATING DATA FILE OBJECTS Ref: Append at 21:03:47 on 92/07/02 GMT (by IL22993 at OS2CUST) George, you have it exactly. If you want to create a data file that exists on Drive D: you could also open the Drive D object first and drag a File Template to the appropriate folder within the Drive. How do I know if the object I see on my desktop is a Program Reference or the actual File Object? Just open the settings notebook for the object. If the object is the executable file there will be a tab labeled 'File' that contains the Physical Path and Name of the file. (also the attributes on pages 2 and 3). Program References do not have this tab. Rob Talley OS/2 Base Services Support ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:33:22 on 92/07/10 GMT (by KERICKS at DALVMIC5) Subject: Starting maximized character based app. Ref: Append at 17:34:15 on 92/07/08 GMT (by ALLT001 at OS2CUST) If you size your character based application window with the shift key held down while you are dragging the window to full size OS/2 will remember the size you dragged it to next time it starts the application. My OS/2 and DOS command prompts go to full size, for example. Perhaps this will accomplish what you wish? Kent Erickson ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:58:55 on 92/07/10 GMT (by WCMUNDY at ATLVMIC1) Subject: Problem dragging data object to LOTUS 123R23 Program Object I have a customer that is new to OS/2 V2. One of the big items he sees in OS/2 that will enhance his productivity is the ability to 'drag and drop' data objects onto program objects and have the progam object open and load the data object. In setting up the DOS version of LOTUS 123R23 to do this, I have run int a problem. I have a folder that contains a Program Object, LOTUS 123R23 and a Data Object, a Shadow of a Lotus Worksheet. If I click on the Program object to execute it, it will run with no problems. stopping at an empty spread sheet. If, however, I drag the data object for the spreadsheet over to the program object and drop it, I get the following messages: "1-2-3 cannot start because one of the drivers in the driver set has the wrong revision number. (text display driver) For more information on creating or revising driver sets, refer to Getting Started. (press any key to exit)" Has anyone seen this problem before and do you have a fix for it? Regards, Warren Mundy / Mobile, Al. 659-9246 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:24:11 on 92/07/10 GMT (by IL22993 at OS2CUST) Subject: Problem dragging data object to LOTUS 123R23 Program Object Ref: Append at 20:58:55 on 92/07/10 GMT (by WCMUNDY at ATLVMIC1) The problem is that the first paramter that lotus expects on the commmand line is the name of the driver set files ... something to do with the config. The spreadsheet name has to be passed in as the -w switch. You can add the -w as a default parameter in the program object, followed by the %* so that drop has the correct location to place the file name. This however results in an error message if you double-click the program object to start a new spreadsheet. I am afraid I don't know enough about .BAT files to know if you could make the -w%1 optional. Of course REXX could do it, but REXX doesn't run under DOS. You might want to follow the recommendations in the OS2TNT document so you can set the enviromnent variables for the Lotus 3.1 DPMI settings, plus pass on the file name with the -w%1. (%1 is the symbolic variable for the first parameter on the command line that invoked the .BAT file. ) Good Luck.... George Clark, Norton Company ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 23:26:01 on 92/07/13 GMT (by CMIG069 at OS2CUST) Subject: Tell me about WP ROOT SF Ref: Append at 13:19:04 on 92/07/01 GMT (by SAMI3QU at OS2CUST) I don't have answers to any of the questions regarding good ole 'EA DATA. SF' and 'WP ROOT. SF' but I sure wish someone who did would speak out and explain in detail exactly what these files are used for and how they can be preserved (backuped/retored). I think most of us know that 'EA DATA. SF' has something to do with Extended Attributes' but beyond that we are left in the dark. And for me I have no guess as to what the 'WP ROOT. SF' file is used for, I only know one gets created on each drive may it be fixed or removable. I don't understand why IBM selected such poor names for these files. They are poor because as another user has mentioned they can not be used via most DOS software. Most of use use FAT with DUAL BOOT. Actually my desire for backup/restore goes beyond these two files. I have been in search of a shareware program named (WPSBK2) that should preserve my WPS and prevent the need for re-creating my desktop after doing the ole ALT-F1 at boot up. My wish would have been for IBM to provide a backup utility for the WPS. Why do we need to depend on shareware? I was very excited about OS/2 version 2.0 until I lost my desktop. Since then I have waisted hours tring to understand how to recover from such a loss in the furture, short of re-installing everything. How can anyone in a PC support position deploy OS/2 V2 to novice users who may independently modify their desktop? All the user has to do is accidently destroy that desktop and you are SOL. There needs to be an IBM solution to this problem. If it is available I have not heard of it. And from the sounds of the other messages on this board neither have others. The solutions we have been given often are not straight forward and often do not work completely. I want OS/2 to fly with eagles but it keeps dropping it's eggs. So, what is special about these files? Are they using some absolute disk cluster referencing scheme? Another user has mentioned that 'EA DATA. SF' is a "address pointer chained file", is this true and what exactly does this mean? Richard Oberle CUNA Mutual Insurance - Madison WI (800) 937-2644 ext 8441 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 23:42:17 on 92/07/13 GMT (by MMABOYL at SYDVM1) Subject: WPS Confusion problem/recovery For what it's worth, I'll report the following WPS problem I saw recently - User double clicked on an application on desktop to start it, and then repeated herself - in mistaken belief that she'd been too slow with her 'double-click'. After the Application was shutdown, selecting the desktop option menu (RMB on blank part of desktop), selected the application, & conversely selecting the appl, got the desktop - the pointers were messed up & pointing to the wrong desktop objects. Fortunately the code is pretty resilient - a shutdown & restart of OS/2 2.0 cleaned up the situation. I haven't tried to re-create, but could do so if required ... anyone who wants the info pls contact me offline. Jim Boyle ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 00:28:06 on 92/07/14 GMT (by THRUMD at SYDVM1) Subject: Tell me about WP ROOT SF Ref: Append at 23:26:01 on 92/07/13 GMT (by CMIG069 at OS2CUST) If I understand correctly: EA DATA. SF contains the file extended attributes for FAT partitions, since the FAT file structure does not include provision for extended attributes, and it could not be changed in a way that might prevent backward compatibility with DOS applications. WP ROOT. SF contains the extended attributes for the root directory (for FAT and HPFS). The WPS uses extended attributes on directories for some of its magic. Since the root directory is not actually a directory "file" to which extended attributes can be attached, (FAT or HPFS) the WP ROOT. SF file was implemented. Dave ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:02:56 on 92/07/14 GMT (by TCSC086 at OS2CUST) Subject: Disk Size A pet peeve, WHY does only the TREE view of a disk drive provide the storage FREE and TOTAL disk size information? I want that information in any View. I prefer the Details View, much much faster and more informative. Dan Lundy Time Customer Service, Inc. Tampa, Fl ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:13:08 on 92/07/14 GMT (by IL26761 at OS2CUST) Subject: Tell me about WP ROOT SF Ref: Append at 23:26:01 on 92/07/13 GMT (by CMIG069 at OS2CUST) The backup program that you are looking for is now called WPSBK3, it is available from the OS/2 Shareware BBS at 703-385-0931. Jack Hiatt MARC-Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:06:46 on 92/07/14 GMT (by NAAC2VK at OS2CUST) Subject: Querying WPS Objects In OS/2 1.3 we created a couple of programs which use PrfQueryTitles & PrfQueryDefinition to unload the various Group menus a user has created and PrfCreateGroup & PrfAddProgram to recreate them over the install of new level of Operating System. I can see how I could use the SysCreateObject function to create similiar information in folders. My question - is there a query function like WinCreateObject which can be used to query class information (e.g., <WPProgram>. Joe Jankowski ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 22:16:28 on 92/07/14 GMT (by NAAO3IY at OS2CUST) Subject: Tell me about WP ROOT SF Ref: Append at 23:26:01 on 92/07/13 GMT (by CMIG069 at OS2CUST) The files have been given names as difficult as possible to access under DOS because they are of absolutely no use under DOS. They aren't even safe to back up, except when you A) take an absolute track-by-track copy of the entire disk and B) restore the same way. Bytes in the directories that DOS doesn't use are coordinated with them -- at least in the case of the EA file; I haven't had time to study the other. The only clean way to back up the EA file under DOS would be for a DOS program that was aware of OS/2 to back up the contents of the EA file applying to each regular file while it was backing up that file's directory entry and contents; backing up the EA file itself is completely useless, because it has no meaningful content absent those directory entries. Such a modification to a DOS backup program would be possible, but rather pointless, since it would be unstable (the layout of the EA file could be changed by IBM) and because converting the program to an OS/2 program would be simpler and stabler (because OS/2 has a documented way to get at the contents of the EA file without having to know the way the file itself is organized), and would produce a program that would run faster. In the meantime, BACKUP works, and I believe SYTOS does, too. John Kennedy, Hoechst Celanese ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:23:18 on 92/07/15 GMT (by IL26761 at OS2CUST) Subject: Missing Applications Don't know weither this belongs here or in the LAN forum. We are in the process of implementing OS/2 2.0 with LS and have setup at this point 1 OS/2 server and about 6 requestors, on the server we have setup several public applications, 5 to be exact. This is working ideally except for one salll problem. A user has started to applications, both of which are DOS apps, and finds that response time has gone to h@#$ and goes in and changes several DOS_Settings trying to correct the problem. At this point everything is fine and his response time fine. Later the machine is shutdown, in the case just noted, by a power failure when the system is rebooted and the Public Applications folder is opened, the apps that were changed do not appear. Has anyone else run into a similar problem? Has anyone found a solution? Jack Hiatt MARC-Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:50:25 on 92/07/15 GMT (by CMIG069 at OS2CUST) Subject: Tell me about WP ROOT SF Ref: Append at 22:16:28 on 92/07/14 GMT (by NAAO3IY at OS2CUST) I want to give my special thanks to Jack Hiatt for providing the number to the OS/2 ShareWare BBS at 703-385-0931. This board not only had the WPSBK3 software I have been seeking but also many of the OS/2 fixes I have read about. Thanks, Jack. I also want to thank John Kennedy for his comments about 'EA DATA. SF'. Thanks. Richard Oberle ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:00:27 on 92/07/15 GMT (by CMIG069 at OS2CUST) Subject: Colorado Tape Backup SoftWare for OS/2 Is anyone aware of any OS/2 V2 tape backup software that would work with a Colorado Tape Backup System? To the best of my knowledge Colorado does not provide OS/2 V2 backup software for thier systems. Maybe it's time for me to find a new vendor. I better qualify what I am asking for, it appears the software that comes with the Tape Backup system will backup and restore most files. What I want is something like the WPSBK3 software that would allow me to backup an entire dive to tape and restore from tape while keeping the WPS intact. I guess I could always use WPSBK3 first and then backup the drive but I would like to avoid the two step process. Does any one know if the Irwin tape backup software can perform a full drive backup and keep the WPS intact if a full drive restore is performed? Richard Oberle - CUNA Mutual Insurance, Madison WI ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:25:28 on 92/07/15 GMT (by NAAO3IY at OS2CUST) Subject: Missing Applications Ref: Append at 14:23:18 on 92/07/15 GMT (by IL26761 at OS2CUST) There seem to be some real instabilities in "Public Applications". In my experience, A) having the Domain Controller re-add the application to the user and B) having the user log off and on fixes missing applications. However, I wonder just how much the "Public Applications" folder is set up to support DOS alterations. Right now, it isn't even possible to put a DOS application into it without lying and saying it's an OS/2 application, isn't it? John Kennedy, Hoechst Celanese ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:50:28 on 92/07/15 GMT (by AAAF0CY at OS2CUST) Subject: Missing Applications Ref: Append at 16:25:28 on 92/07/15 GMT (by NAAO3IY at OS2CUST) Sounds like familiar problems... For the missing icons, it seems that sometimes the Public Applications folder doesn't always disappear after logoff, so after the next logon, it is corrupt. Like you said the only way to fix it is to logoff and make sure the folder disappears. I believe that IBM knows about the problem and hopefully in the upcoming fixes, this willbe taken care of. Jim Sauber, MN Mutual ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:57:51 on 92/07/15 GMT (by AAAF0CY at OS2CUST) Subject: Missing Applications Ref: Append at 16:25:28 on 92/07/15 GMT (by NAAO3IY at OS2CUST) Regarding DOS Apps in the public App folder, this is a "well known requirement". I don't know when they will have it resolved, but we have been after IBM since OS/2 1.3. One thought I have, which hasn't been tested, is to have a program that runs at logon time which reads the (is it USER.A or LIST.A file that has DLR app info in them, well whichever) DLR app file from the DCDB and add DOS icons to the Public Apps folder using the OS/2 API's. I don't know if this would work, but it is a theory. Since the icons are built each logon, there isn't a way to change the DOS SETTINGS, unless there is an API and you created a profile for each app. We have defined corresponding OS/2 apps that run the DOS pgms, so they at least show up on the Public Apps folder (similar to what you do of defining the DOS apps as OS/2 apps (clever)). The problem we run into are apps like LOTUS 3.1 that won't run under OS/2 2.0 without a DOS VERSION, but the DOS SETTINGS i nfo can't be changed globally (this info is hard coded into the OS2KRNL). IBM is going to look at changing this too. If you have any ideas, I'd like to hear them. Maybe between us users, we can come up with a work around! Jim Sauber, MN Mutual ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:00:20 on 92/07/15 GMT (by AAAF0CY at OS2CUST) Subject: Missing Applications Ref: Append at 14:23:18 on 92/07/15 GMT (by IL26761 at OS2CUST) I haven't run into this, because I can't get shared DOS apps to show up in the Public Apps folder. How did you do this???? Jim Sauber, MN Mutual ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 00:00:28 on 92/07/16 GMT (by HDEVORE at HOUVMSCC) Subject: What settings get used... What settings (in particular DOS settings) get used when a Windows application is launched via a START command in a REXX cmd file? Is it some built-in default that I can't change? Is it hiding in the INI file somewhere where I could change it if I only knew what key to use? Is there some magic on the START command I'm not aware of? Help! Hal L. DeVore Jr. Space Station DMS Software Development ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 00:23:51 on 92/07/16 GMT (by MMAREYN at SYDVM1) Subject: Missing Applications & Dos Settings There's an OS/2 API that can be used to start DOS applications with the appropriate DOS/Windows settings: DOSStartSession() A simple OS/2 'launcher' application could be used from, say, a REXX procedure to start the app based on settings stored as text in the *equivalent* of an INI file. In the LAN environment, the public apps folder would show the 'rexx front end' and associated icon. A great opportunity for a very simple piece of shareware? I'd do it myself, but tonight I have to shampoo the goldfish. John Reynoldson, Melbourne, Australia. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 00:39:54 on 92/07/16 GMT (by IL26761 at OS2CUST) Subject: Colorado Tape Backup SoftWare for OS/2 Ref: Append at 16:00:27 on 92/07/15 GMT (by CMIG069 at OS2CUST) Richard, You're quite welcome on the numbers in the other post. That's what we're here for to help each other right? On the CMS tape backup stuff, for a while I was following some of the stuff on Prodigy, but got tired of the bickering. There were a couple of folks from CMS on the board quite often and they indicated that they were working on an OS/2 version. When they said that it would probably be next April before it was ready they got pounced on real heavy by a number of users, some of whom suggested that rather than waiting to get a PM type app out that they at least get a character based one available sooner. There was a post by someone on the NSC BBS that indicated that they had been told such a program might be available REAL soon so you might want to give CMS a call and bug them. I am waiting for Irwin to release their software for OS/2 2.0, but now they are telling folks they can't until some legal thing with IBM is cleared up and that IBM is dragging their feet on it. Jack Hiatt MARC-Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 00:48:33 on 92/07/16 GMT (by IL26761 at OS2CUST) Subject: Missing Applications Ref: Append at 19:00:20 on 92/07/15 GMT (by AAAF0CY at OS2CUST) Jim, I haven't been really closely involved with getting them setup but it is done by entering a program RAS2 I believe it is, and giving it the name of the .BAT filee or whatever to start the DOS apps. So far we have setup only about 5, WP5.1, the old EZVU ISPF Editor, 123, a 3270 emulator, and a special setup for 123 that allows access to an Oracle database. They all work quite well as long as no one messes with the DOS Setting while in an app. Jack Hiatt MARC-Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 00:51:14 on 92/07/16 GMT (by IL26761 at OS2CUST) Subject: Missing Applications & Dos Settings Ref: Append at 00:23:51 on 92/07/16 GMT (by MMAREYN at SYDVM1) Great idea, think we will look into that tomorrow. From an Aussie that works at my place I knew you folks down under were a little odd, but shampooing the gold fish??? Jack Hiatt MARC-Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 05:10:25 on 92/07/16 GMT (by SWHALEN at DETVMIC6) Subject: Missing Applications Ref: Append at 19:00:20 on 92/07/15 GMT (by AAAF0CY at OS2CUST) From what I gather, the Public Apps Folder will only support OS/2 apps, so via the Definitions+Applications+Public OS/2 Apps, you can define the executable as "CMD.EXE H:\123r23\123r23.BAT" as an example. Since the OS/2 2.0 command interface can tell what kind of executable you are running (OS/2, DOS or Windows), and bring up the appropriate session, the above way will "fool" the LAN Server into thinking your public app is an OS/2, when really you just use the OS/2 CMD.EXE to interpret the next executable in the string. Easier to show than to explain.... SEAN M. WHALEN, IBM TEAMOS2 Akron, Ohio ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 05:22:43 on 92/07/16 GMT (by DAVISN at HOUVMSCC) Subject: Irwin Tape Backup SoftWare for OS/2 Ref: Append at 00:39:54 on 92/07/16 GMT (by IL26761 at OS2CUST) OS/2 backup software is available for Irwin tape drives. IBM's PM Tape and OS/2 Tape software work on Irwin drives, and I believe Irwin has equivalent (identical?) packages. These are on the shelves at Computer City and CompUSA today. Nathan Davis ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:35:05 on 92/07/16 GMT (by MCGUIRE at GDLVM7) Subject: What settings get used... Ref: Append at 00:00:28 on 92/07/16 GMT (by HDEVORE at HOUVMSCC) The Rexx SysCreateObject function can start a DOS program with specific settings. Here is an example using it for that: /* STARTDOS.CMD: Sample code using REXXUTIL's SysCreateObject function */ /* Starts a DOS program using specific DOS VDM settings. This is */ /* particularly useful for LAN execution that requires NET USE commands.*/ /* The example invokes the PKZIP.EXE program using files setting of 45 */ /* Rick McGuire: MCGUIRE/GDLVM7 */ /* Load REXXUTIL */ call rxfuncadd sysloadfuncs, rexxutil, sysloadfuncs call sysloadfuncs /* The basic call is listed next. */ /* result = SysCreateObject(classname, title, location, setup) */ classname='WPProgram' title='My DOS Program' location='<WP_NOWHERE>' /* place in invisible folder */ program='EXENAME=C:\PKZIP.EXE;' /* DOS program name */ type='PROGTYPE=WINDOWEDVDM;' /* type of DOS session (windowed) */ startup='STARTUPDIR=C:\;' /* startup directory */ settings='SET DOS_FILES=45;' /* required DOS settings */ open='OPEN=DEFAULT;' /* open now */ call SysCreateObject classname, title, location,, program||type||startup||settings||open, 'REPLACE' Return Further details on the use of SysCreateObject can be found in a very large append in the OS2REXX CFORUM. Rick McGuire - SAA Rexx Development, Endicott ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:50:26 on 92/07/16 GMT (by RICHKULP at CARVM3) Subject: Lost - Glossary & Master Help Index Ref: Append at 11:53:08 on 92/06/24 GMT (by NAXI8EM at OS2CUST) Found this in another forum. It'll probably help you: It belongs in a Rexx cmd file. ---------------- < ---------------------- cut here ------------------------------------ > /* MstrIndx.CMD */ Call SysCreateObject "Mindex", "Master Help Index", "<WP_DESKTOP>", , "INDEX=HELP;ICONPOS=5 44;OBJECTID=<WP_MINDEX>" < ---------------------- cut here ------------------------------------ > run this program and move the created Master Index to any folder you want or leave it on the Desktop. Gregory Czaja, Lexington . ---------------- Rich Kulp ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:05:42 on 92/07/16 GMT (by IL42384 at OS2CUST) Subject: Program Group or Folder, what's the difference Hello, Can anyone tell me what is the difference between a Folder on the Desktop or a Program Group. Both can hold Program Objects both can appear on the Desktop. The default ICON of a Folder is a Folder image while the default image of a Program group is a Box with a checkered patteren. One can create folders by dragging then from the template folder. You can not create Program groups from the template folder. These folders are created by the Migrate program. The reason I ask is some OS/2 programs can locate program groups but can not locate program folders on the desktop. I asked IBM but never got an answer. The program group was the original format in OS/2 1.3 and is used by windows. Is there a way to make a folder to appear to programs being install as a program group? Thanks for any help. Jerry Sitbon (718) 357-4369 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:57:14 on 92/07/16 GMT (by TSO09 at OS2CUST) Subject: What settings get used... Ref: Append at 12:35:05 on 92/07/16 GMT (by MCGUIRE at GDLVM7) I have found REXX code like you showed to be very usefull, but I'm still only part of the way there. The way I see it, to get a DOS application running from the LAN, you need to do three things. First net use a drive (Map it for the Novell crowd), then invoke the application with the correct DOS settings. Then free the drive when the application finishes . This last step is critical if you are using Lan Server to provide concurant use counters. I can get the first two steps done with CMD files and the Rexx code you showed, but the DOS session which gets created is a new independent process of its own. The original CMD file continues on without knowing the status of the DOS session. NET Use only runs under OS/2 not DOS sessions so you can't to the free in that process either. Any ideas where to go from here ? Another problem with the process as I have outlined it is that it depends on coding specific drive letters in the CMD and Rexx code. We will very soon be running out of drive letters. Yes I know OS/2 applications are the solution, but if OS/2 is to get the market share we all think it desirves and we all know it needs to survive, it will have to do so in the next 6-9 months. There are not enough "coding elves" in all the development shops in the world to port enough OS/2 apps in that time frame. We have to have a smoother way of handling these issues, the base OS team have done their part getting the DOS apps to run, if the network guru's can just help us start, stop, and count them. Ed Klein ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:14:53 on 92/07/16 GMT (by HDEVORE at HOUVMSCC) Subject: Program Group or Folder, what's the difference Ref: Append at 19:05:42 on 92/07/16 GMT (by IL42384 at OS2CUST) Here's what I think I know (note: just because I work for IBM doesn't make me magically know all the ins and outs of this... I've just hacked around in the INI files a bit). Program Groups: In 1.3 when you created a Program Group there were some entries made in the OS2.INI file (under a key name of PM_ProgramListXXXX where XXXX is a number). Folders: When you create a folder it creates a directory and puts stuff in extended attributes and also puts stuff in the OS2.INI file (somewhere in there... not sure where). Wild guess: For compatibility OS/2 2.0 will "honor" the old PM_ProgramListXXXX entries and create a pseudo-folder (or a special kind of folder?). That gives you access to the stuff put in "Program Groups". It doesn't help at all when you have a program clever enough to list all the program groups. Hal L. DeVore Jr. Space Station DMS Software Development ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:22:49 on 92/07/16 GMT (by HDEVORE at HOUVMSCC) Subject: What settings get used... Ref: Append at 19:57:14 on 92/07/16 GMT (by TSO09 at OS2CUST) To all who suggested using the SysCreateObject: Thanks. But I can't use that solution. The REXX cmd file that is launching the application is on a server and I can't change it. Neither can I use my own cmd file to launch the application (it's a licensed program being started via a thingie that maintains concurrent usage counts for licensing restrictions). Is there no way to control the DOS settings for a program launched via a garden-variety START command? Or invoked directly? To Ed Klein - a suggestion: Don't do a START of the DOS program, just run it (for example, don't do "START WINWORD", just "WINWORD"). OS/2 2.0 is clever enough to start up a COMMAND.COM and even a WINOS2 if needed. It will be "synchronous" so that the CMD file that runs the application doesn't continue until the DOS program completes. Then you can do the "NET USE xxx /D" and whatever other cleanup is needed. Hal L. DeVore Jr. Space Station DMS Software Development ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:57:24 on 92/07/17 GMT (by IL78567 at OS2CUST) Subject: Sytos for an Archive 150e Does anyone know if Sytos (or anyone else) has programs / drivers for an OS/2 backup? I use this drive in DOS mode and it will back up OS/2 files, but not HPFS, of course. If you have any info leave me a message.. Greg Bell ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:41:08 on 92/07/18 GMT (by NAXI8EM at OS2CUST) Subject: Lost - Glossary & Master Help Index Ref: Append at 13:50:26 on 92/07/16 GMT (by RICHKULP at CARVM3) Thanks for the info, that did the trick. I did have one problem though and that was that I had an empty folder that thought it was the 'Master Help Index' . When I deleted the empty folder I was able to create the two lost objects. During the course of setting up the rexx command file I learned a little about REXX and the OS2 *.RC files. Thanks again. Mark T. Regan, Nationwide Ins., Network Services ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:14:23 on 92/07/20 GMT (by IL42384 at OS2CUST) Subject: Program Group or Folder, what's the difference Ref: Append at 21:14:53 on 92/07/16 GMT (by HDEVORE at HOUVMSCC) Hello Hal; I figured that the program groups were placed on the desktop to be compatible with OS/2 1.3 and MS-windows. What I don't understand is why OS/2 migrates programs to Program folders and not desktop folders. Older OS/2 programs look for program groups to install their Icons. I have asked IBM what the difference is but they never seem to be able to answer the question. Anyway thanks for your input. Jerry Sitbon (718) 357-4369 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:05:41 on 92/07/20 GMT (by USCC006 at OS2CUST) ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 19:21:20 on 92/07/25 GMT (by USCC006 at OS2CUST) Subject: Removing schema assignment This APPEND was deleted at 15:21:19 on 07/25/92 EST. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 23:39:38 on 92/07/20 GMT (by XXBCSC76 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Small OS/2 Window Ref: Append at 16:59:34 on 92/05/18 GMT (by INGALLS at RHQVM03) Hold the shift key down while you drag the window to the size you want it to stay (keep holding till after drag is finished). Bye for now, GLen GLITTLE@BCSC02 Senior Computer Systems Analyst, FICOM Fax: 604 660-3170 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 00:25:34 on 92/07/21 GMT (by BCHI040 at OS2CUST) Subject: Protecting WPS configuration Is there a way to protect the configuration once it it setup. This would allow a system to be setup so that users can't change the desktop configuration ie. standard desktop, standard colors, standard configuration. An example of this is the Windows 3.1 setting in the INI file to restrict delete, move, resize of windows. At least being able to restrict access to the settings option of a object would be nice. Jerry Hittle, Hawaii Medical Service Ass'n ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 00:50:26 on 92/07/21 GMT (by DARKELF at BCRVM1) Subject: Protecting WPS configuration Ref: Append at 00:25:34 on 92/07/21 GMT (by BCHI040 at OS2CUST) I don't know of a way of protecting the desktop from changes unless you use your lockup. But you can backup your current desktop to your install directory then in the advent that you need to call it back you able to. This counts also if the desktop gets trashed for other reasons as well, you don't have to reinstall the operating system just call back your desktop. First get the desktop looking like you want, then do a shutdown. Insert your install disk in drive A: and reboot the system. When it ask for disk #1 put that in drive A: and hit enter. At one point the disk will say hit enter to continue or escape. Hit the escape key and you will go out to a OS2 full screen prompt. If your system is on drive C: then go to that drive or the drive it resides on. Copy your config.sys to c:\os2\install. Change directories to c:\os2. Copy your os2.ini and your os2sys.ini to c:\os2\install. Then you can reboot your system and your desktop settings have been backed up. To reinstall your backed up desktop should something go wrong, first shutdown the system if you are able and do a control alt del. As soon as the OS2 logo appears on the screen hit and hold the Alt and F1 keys. The system will go to the install directory and bring back what ever was saved. This prevents you from having to reinstall the whole operating system which is what I did until I learned of this trick. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:27:47 on 92/07/21 GMT (by INGALLS at RHQVM03) Subject: Small OS/2 Window Ref: Append at 23:39:38 on 92/07/20 GMT (by XXBCSC76 at TORVMCOP) Thanks for the reply. As it turns out, I saw this tip in the forum in answer to someone else's problem and tried it. It worked great. Another one of those little OS/2 quirks to remember. Geoff Ingalls B1/1L15, Somers, NY Office & Desktop Solutions 8-826-1128 (FAX 8-826-1788) ------------- ISSC Solution Center - Tri-State ------------- ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:03:36 on 92/07/21 GMT (by IL26761 at OS2CUST) Subject: Lost settings. Just wondering if anyone else has run into a situation where some of the settings for an icon disappear. We have one machine on which sporadically the path and working directory entries will just dissappear. The icon itself is fine, and parameter entries are not affected. Jack Hiatt MARC-Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:42:29 on 92/07/21 GMT (by XXMINC08 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Disappearing Icons I am having problems with icons getting lost after doing a copy operation from the WPS. If I copy a program reference object representing a PM application then everything works fine. If I copy a program reference object for an application that runs a .CMD file under an OS/2 Windowed command prompt, then the icon does get copied with the object, but after a shutdown and reboot, the icon is back to the default OS/2 Window icon. I can't believe this is supposed to work this way ... has anyone else seen this?? Thanks. Bill Nelson Manulife Financial ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:38:50 on 92/07/21 GMT (by TJBARRO at CHGVMIC1) Subject: Disappearing Icons Ref: Append at 17:42:29 on 92/07/21 GMT (by XXMINC08 at TORVMCOP) Bill: I believe the BLKICO fix resolves your problem..... Timothy J. Barron TEAM IBM Workstation Systems Engineer TJBARRO at CHGVMIC1 OS/2 Chicago Insurance Branch 098 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:43:45 on 92/07/21 GMT (by RICHKULP at CARVM3) Subject: Disappearing Icons Ref: Append at 17:42:29 on 92/07/21 GMT (by XXMINC08 at TORVMCOP) Where is the icon located that is used for the CMD file before the object is moved? I believe this is the order that ICON are looked for: (Pg. 8-239 of OS/2 2.0 PM Ref. Vol II) 1) .ICON extended attribute - will move with the .CMD file. 2) .ICO file in the SAME directory with the same prefix - if you move the .CMD file it will lose the icon. 3) Application specific icon (if PM or MS Windows* executable). 4) PM icon (if PM executable) 5) MS icon (if MS Windows* executable) 6) OS/2 application icon (if OS/2 full-screen only app) 7) OS/2 window icon (if OS/2 window compatible app) 8) DOS windowed icon (if DOS windowed executable) 9) Program Application (if unknown type executable) 10) Data icon specified by associated App. 11) Data icon of associated app. 12) Data file icon (if not program or directory) 13) Directory icon (if directory) I would guess that your case fits in with 2). The icon is choosen at initialization or creation time. Since you moved it, it didn't bother changing the icon, but upon next boot it tried to find the icon and couldn't, so it chose 7) since 3,4,5, and 6) didn't apply. Rich Kulp ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:02:45 on 92/07/21 GMT (by XXMINC08 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Disappearing Icons Ref: Append at 18:38:50 on 92/07/21 GMT (by TJBARRO at CHGVMIC1) Thanks Tim (or do you prefer Timothy). I'll give it a try. Bill Nelson Manulife Financial ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:09:18 on 92/07/21 GMT (by XXMINC08 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Disappearing Icons Ref: Append at 18:43:45 on 92/07/21 GMT (by RICHKULP at CARVM3) Rich, I don't think that any of the cases you mention apply in this case. Note that a Program Reference Object is an instance of an abstract storage class, and as such I believe that all information relative to it (including its icon) is stored in OS2.INI. It appears that the copy operation from WPS is not updating OS2.INI properly. If I physically go in to the settings for the object and edit the icon, then it will be remembered across shutdowns. I am going to try the BLKICO fix to see if it helps. Thanks anyway. Bill Nelson Manulife Financial ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:31:19 on 92/07/21 GMT (by IL11901 at OS2CUST) Subject: Small OS/2 Window Ref: Append at 23:39:38 on 92/07/20 GMT (by XXBCSC76 at TORVMCOP) Please check out CommandLine 1.1. It is a hotkey, PM based application launcher and command prompt. The package was reviewed in the 3rd issue of OS/2 Monthly. CommandLine has command history (both up & down arrows and listbox form), inline filename completion and file find, inline REXX expression interpreter and extendability through REXX and DLLs. CommandLine lists for $39.95 and is available as low as $29.95 through a variety of discounts. Thanks, and I hope you check it out, Steve Dacek - Soft & GUI Inc ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:35:37 on 92/07/21 GMT (by IL11901 at OS2CUST) Subject: Small OS/2 Window Ref: Append at 12:27:47 on 92/07/21 GMT (by INGALLS at RHQVM03) Geoff, please check CommandLine 1.1. It is a hotkey, PM based application launcher and command prompt. It is the "ultimate" small OS/2 window, since only an edit box appears to enter your command. We have command history, inline filename completion and file find, inline REXX expressions interpreter (so it's possible to do anything from calculation to instantly creating a directory folder based on directory name). The package is extendible through REXX and DLLs, and works with all third party CMD.EXE replacements. CommandLine lists for $39.95 and is available as low as $29.95 through a variety of discounts. Thanks, and I hope you do check it out, Steve Dacek Soft & GUI Inc (718) 769-8017 Steve Dacek - Soft & GUI Inc ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 02:35:53 on 92/07/22 GMT (by XXUWAT06 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Protecting WPS configuration Ref: Append at 00:25:34 on 92/07/21 GMT (by BCHI040 at OS2CUST) Read the announcement in the OS2MISC IConf. It explains some additional software from England that does just what you want! Elliott M. Avedon University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1 (519) 885-1211 x2204 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:06:56 on 92/07/22 GMT (by PERSHNG at YKTVMH) Subject: Lost settings. Ref: Append at 15:03:36 on 92/07/21 GMT (by IL26761 at OS2CUST) If you are using the HPFS, then get the HPFS fix and apply it. The SWAPPER problem that it fixes has been implicated in all sort of "strange" disappearances from the desktop. John A. Pershing Jr. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:46:20 on 92/07/22 GMT (by IL54396 at OS2CUST) Subject: Device Driver GOOBJOOB I currently have two customers using our OS/2 based software with OS/2 2.0 who are getting an error when trying to invoke our applications. The error they get is "Exception in device driver GOOBJOOB". The application never starts. I am also running OS/2 2.0, as are several other customers, and no one else has experienced this problem. The same error happens from an icon on the desktop or from the command prompt. My questions are: 1. What is GOOBJOOB? What does it do? 2. Does the configuration of the individual machine affect GOOBJOOB? I have my machine set up for dual boot, while the two with the problem have their machines set up for OS/2 only. Also, I performed selective install of OS/2 and they chose the complete installation. 3. Is there a way around this device driver? Nora Ryan, Pritsker Corp. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:53:40 on 92/07/22 GMT (by IL26761 at OS2CUST) Subject: Lost settings. Ref: Append at 13:06:56 on 92/07/22 GMT (by PERSHNG at YKTVMH) John, Will try the HPFS patch on that machine. Jack Hiatt MARC-Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 23:58:49 on 92/07/22 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 21:39:55 on 92/07/23 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) Subject: WPS BUGS This APPEND was deleted at 17:39:55 on 07/23/92 EST. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:48:42 on 92/07/23 GMT (by IL07159 at OS2CUST) Subject: Network on WPS I just installed the Novell version of Netware Requester. Page 65 of the "Using the Operating System" manual states that if my system is connected to a LAN, then I should have a network folder on my desktop. That folder should contain server objects which in turn contains other network objects representing network resources. I also think I remember a demonstration of OS/2 where there were two folders on the desktop, one was a Novell server and the other an OS/2 LAN Server. The person doing the demo mentioned "drive-letterless" network access and "lptless" network printer access. I don't have any of the above on my desktop. I have a Novell folder with three objects in it, install, remote printer, and netware tools. The netware tools are nice, but they are not what I was looking for. I can log in to the network and map netware directories to drive letters and netware printers to lpt ports, but that is not the way I thought it was supposed to work. Was the seamless network access just a dream or is that really the way it is supposed to work? Do I need a different program to achieve this or, more likely, did I not install the requester correctly? Joe Lusby, St. John Medical Center ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:28:16 on 92/07/23 GMT (by TJBARRO at CHGVMIC1) Subject: WPS BUGS Ref: Append at 23:58:49 on 92/07/22 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) Chris: I am not from "IBM Support", but I would like to address some of your items, and hopefully help you solve some of them (since that's what I'm supposed to help my accounts with): 4 - Bug with fonts: I have seen this before. I believe it to be a known bug. 1 - I'll refer to it as disappearing "+" signs. I have seen this before too. I believe it is known too. 2 - Items remaining in PSTAT: What did you notice about the swapper file size? Have you applied the OS2KRNL fix, and also the HPFS fix if you are HPFS? Both of these resolve a bug that when you close an application, the swapper file does not release the memory that this application was using (i.e. the object may still be hashed). Please give this a try... 3 - There is an HP Laser Jet fix out. Might want to give it a try. I am not sure what it resolves/fixes...(I haven't downloaded it) 4 - Icon/Association: I'm not sure if I understand your question, but if you create a template and made it a unique icon, all objects created would share that icon. i.e. if I changed the data file template's icon, all data files should have that icon. You could do this for, let's say, Lotus WK1 files. 5 - Rearrangement of icons: I bet you accidently hit arrange which is on the popup menu for the desktop. I've done this before too! The way arround it is to backup your INI files, as documented in the Installation Guide, in Appendix B I think. I do hope that some of this helps... Timothy J. Barron TEAM IBM Workstation Systems Engineer TJBARRO at CHGVMIC1 OS/2 Chicago Insurance Branch 098 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:55:58 on 92/07/23 GMT (by USBC238 at OS2CUST) Subject: Network on WPS Ref: Append at 14:48:42 on 92/07/23 GMT (by IL07159 at OS2CUST) Although I am using Lan Manager and Lan Server servers, and not Novell, The idea of "lptless" printing is true. I haven't tried "drive letterless" drives yet. There is also a network folder with a folder containing my servers. By clicking on a server, I see all the available resources and can assign drives and printers and then drag them to the desktop. I hope this is not just a LAN Manager/LAN Server feature because I would like to have this available when I start getting access to the Novell servers we have out there. Charles Boyce - US Bank, Portland OR ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:59:06 on 92/07/23 GMT (by IL78568 at OS2CUST) Subject: WPS BUGS Ref: Append at 16:28:16 on 92/07/23 GMT (by TJBARRO at CHGVMIC1) The re-ARRANGE problem I consider to be a design flaw (since I have been bitten by it so many times). If you click mouse button 2 (MB2) on the desktop to bring up the desktop menu, the mouse pointer is positioned at the lower left hand corner of the pop-up menu. Occasionally, depending on what is running, I may have a slight delay (paging, whatever) before the menu appears. Also occasionally, I'll have a mouse click that didn't really take (maybe I didn't depress the button fully, etc.), so I end up repeating the action (patience not being one of my virtues). Now combining the two actions, at least a half a dozen times I've clicked MB2 on the desktop; tried it again; and if the mouse has moved just a hair's breadth up and to the right, I have just executed an arrange. I think the last item on the desktop menu should be something more innocuous than ARRANGE (at least it wasn't SHUTDOWN), maybe SELECT or something. Brooks McNeely - Martin Marietta Energy Systems, Inc. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:17:59 on 92/07/23 GMT (by BILLH at SBRYVM4) Subject: WPS BUGS Ref: Append at 19:59:06 on 92/07/23 GMT (by IL78568 at OS2CUST) A better way around the problem is to add something to desktop menu. I added an OS/2 window and Seek and Scan Files. I use these a lot anyway so If i mistakenly double click I get an OS/2 Window(which is probably what I wanted anyway), I don't get an arrange. ========================================================= Bill Hegarty Emerging Business Systems - ISSC Southbury, Ct 203-262-4984 T/L 376-4984 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:23:14 on 92/07/23 GMT (by NAAG8T6 at OS2CUST) Subject: Duplicate folders I have a persistent problem in sometimes getting duplicate OS/2 System folders, as well as a duplicate of a personal folder I created. Is this a well-known bug? Shutdown/startup sometimes cleans it up, or moving one of the duplicates in and out of some other folder. Bruce Ferrero (Aetna) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:52:15 on 92/07/23 GMT (by TJBARRO at CHGVMIC1) Subject: WPS BUGS Ref: Append at 19:59:06 on 92/07/23 GMT (by IL78568 at OS2CUST) Brooks: I agree that an improvement has to be made with Arrange. IBM has an internal forum for discussion on recommendations on how to improve the product. Ideas on how to improve Arrange have been to "trap" it with a confirmation message, add a radio button to the desktop settings to enable/disable Arrange, and an unarrange option. Hopefully the developers have gotten the message! I find that the "trap" option to sound the best... Sounds like your system is doing heavy swapping if there is a delay in bringing up the Desktop pop up menu (MB 2). I would definitely recommend that you install the OS2KRNL fix and the HPFS fix (if you are HPFS). You may be experincing the swapper not releasing memory after you close an application. Which could be the reason for the heavy swapping. If you have the fixes applied, and you are still experiencing heavy swapping, how much RAM do you have, and what applications are you running concurrently? I'd like to help in any way I can! Timothy J. Barron TEAM IBM Workstation Systems Engineer TJBARRO at CHGVMIC1 OS/2 Chicago Insurance Branch 098 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:20:05 on 92/07/23 GMT (by IL78568 at OS2CUST) Subject: WPS BUGS Ref: Append at 20:17:59 on 92/07/23 GMT (by BILLH at SBRYVM4) Good idea! I'll try it. Thanks! Brooks McNeely - Martin Marietta Energy Systems, Inc. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:22:41 on 92/07/23 GMT (by DBXB533 at OS2CUST) Subject: Lost settings We are also losing our settings in certain icons but we are not using HPFS on our system. Is there a fix available for this problem. Frank Valdivieso ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:39:54 on 92/07/23 GMT (by IL78568 at OS2CUST) Subject: WPS BUGS Ref: Append at 20:52:15 on 92/07/23 GMT (by TJBARRO at CHGVMIC1) Actually this hasn't happened to me in some while, and I have put most of the fixes on. Currently I use it on a Model 95 with 24Mb, and a Model 80 with 16Mb and I'm very satisfied with most WpS performance. But from January through March I was running the LA version on a 20Mhz Model 70 with only 4Mb, and I quit trying to maintain any kind of custom desktop I kept inadvertently rearranging it so often. Back then I used to bring up the Window List by clicking on both mouse buttons simultaneously, and I am so spastic that several times I managed to click MB2 twice with no MB1 and caused a re-ARRANGE that way. Consequently I got used to always bringing the Windows List up with CTL-ESC. The only times it has happened since then, I have started some program (e.g. a DBM query), decided to leave the office, and decided to invoke Lockup while I was out. When bringing up the menu, once I caused an ARRANGE, and a couple of times had near misses (I'm a lot more careful now, since I have invested in at least some minimal customization of my desktop). Someone else recommended adding an item to the menu, and this seems like a good idea. Thanks for your concern. Brooks McNeely - Martin Marietta Energy Systems, Inc. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:53:38 on 92/07/23 GMT (by TJBARRO at CHGVMIC1) Subject: Lost settings Ref: Append at 21:22:41 on 92/07/23 GMT (by DBXB533 at OS2CUST) Frank: Try OS2KRNL and BLKICO which should be installed on any OS/2 system. Hope this does the trick! Timothy J. Barron TEAM IBM Workstation Systems Engineer TJBARRO at CHGVMIC1 OS/2 Chicago Insurance Branch 098 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:30:03 on 92/07/24 GMT (by NAAO3IY at OS2CUST) Subject: Network on WPS Ref: Append at 19:55:58 on 92/07/23 GMT (by USBC238 at OS2CUST) At PC Expo they were showing a systems connected to IBM, Novell, Microsoft and mainframe (!) servers and they all worked through the Network folder. Perhaps you have to install the IBM Requester code (which is now available _sans_ the Server as the "LAN Enabler" product)? John Kennedy -- Hoechst Celanese, Bridgewater, NJ ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:33:27 on 92/07/24 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) Subject: WPS BUGS Ref: Append at 16:28:16 on 92/07/23 GMT (by TJBARRO at CHGVMIC1) Tim, thanks for your reply! I'm sorry the message was all screwed up - I wondered about the order of the numbers in you reply! 2. What I'm saying was confirmed by a Lotus OS/2 Amipro support person. WPS sometimes loses the "handle" on an application when the user is closing it. The result is that the program is still running but WPS has lost it's control over it. It seems to be localized to OS/2 programs - in other words those little applets that are included in the system. I think that many people have not noticed it because these are mostly useless applications. I have the HPFS and the kernel patches that you described. I can now do a PMCHKDSK without a problem! I think that the kernel fix has caused mant more problems that it solved - and I will go back to the original kernel soon. Nothing thus far has solved this problem. A general note about the selective fixes is that they are only tested insofar as they solve the given problem - that is it. There is no testing to make certain no other problems are created. 3. The LaserJet driver, I believe, is only for WINOS2 sessions. 4. Here is my situation on the icons: I have a directory full of existing Excel 3.0 for Windows files. They all have the standard text file icon when I display the folder that they are in. I have assocaited *.XL* (Name) in the Excel program object. I have tried the making the data file template as you described - I think. The problem is that it cannot be associated by name - only type. I guess I can see how new files might be created this way but it seem cumbersome and does not address multiple documents within an application or existing data files. I feel that I may still be missing something and would appreciated any help you can give. It was much clearer to me in Hewlett Packard's New Wave! Chris Knoell (MGH) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:56:03 on 92/07/24 GMT (by MKAMERER at OS2CUST) Subject: Sytos backup under HPFS Yes SYTOS does have a product that works with HPFS. I use SYTOS for OS/2 with OS/2 ver1.3 to backup a few fileservers onto a Cybernetics 25 Gigabyte DAT drive. Sytos has just sent out new drivers to support OS/2 ver 2.0 so I can continue to enjoy hassle free (so far) backups onto one tape and automate them to run in the wee hours of the morning. They should be able to fill you in on all of the details. Mark Kamerer Ft Lauderdale 17th Circuit Court ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:52:35 on 92/07/24 GMT (by TJBARRO at CHGVMIC1) Subject: Network on WPS Ref: Append at 15:30:03 on 92/07/24 GMT (by NAAO3IY at OS2CUST) John: Hmm...Let me if I can clear things up. First, the Network Folder and the LAN Enabler are two different "animals". NETWORK FOLDER: Requester software written specifically for OS/2 2.0 will utilize the Network folder. For instance, in my Network Folder I have a Netware Server object and a LAN Server object because I am running the corresponding OS/2 2.0 requesters. One of my customers called MS and they said a LAN Manager requester for OS/2 2.0 would be out late July (I don't know anything further). By the way, the IBM demo at COMDEX showed Netware, LAN Server, and Banyan, no LANMAN. If the requester you are using is not specifically for OS/2 2.0, it won't utilize the Network folder. LAN ENABLER: You may also hear this referred to as the 802.2 Virtual Device Driver (802.2 VDD). This is a virtual driver utilized by the Multiple Virtual DOS Sessions (MVDMs). For instance, there is a virtual COM driver, virtual display driver, etc. Currently, there is not virtual token ring LAN driver. So if you started let's say the DOS LANMAN requester, he would go out and take ownership of the LAN card (i.e. no other session could utilize the LAN, just that session). With the LAN Enabler, you will be able to run let's say the DOS LANMAN requester in one MVDM, a DOS 3270 emulator in another, etc. The biggest need my territory has for this LAN Enabler is for users who wish to use the OS/2 2.0 Netware Requester and Personal Communications/3270 (both a DOS & Windows 3270 emulator). Hope this helps... Timothy J. Barron TEAM Workstation Systems Engineer TJBARRO at CHGVMIC1 OS/2 Chicago Insurance Branch 098 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 23:06:29 on 92/07/24 GMT (by NAAO3IY at OS2CUST) Subject: Network on WPS Ref: Append at 20:52:35 on 92/07/24 GMT (by TJBARRO at CHGVMIC1) At PC Expo in NY a few weeks ago, MS LAN Manager was shown in the Network folder, too. It may have been beta code. Your description of LAN Enabler corresponds with what I originally thought, but I have also heard it described as the entire LAN Requester component. Since we don't actually have a copy, I don't have any way of checking.... John Kennedy -- Hoechst Celanese, Bridgewater, NJ ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:46:24 on 92/07/26 GMT (by THRUMD at SYDVM1) Subject: Network on WPS Ref: Append at 20:52:35 on 92/07/24 GMT (by TJBARRO at CHGVMIC1) I think the LAN Enabler and 802.2 VDD are different animals. LAN Enabler is essentially OS/2 LAN requester shipped as a separate product (not with LAN Server). Its purpose is to provide requester code for installations with other LAN Manager-based LANs installed. 802.2 VDD is as you describe. When it is ready will be included in both LAN Requester and LAN Enabler. Dave ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 02:01:29 on 92/07/27 GMT (by IL22993 at OS2CUST) Subject: Template for Rexx commands I would like to create a "template" for a skeleton REXX command which contains trace statements, error handling, etc. The ability to tear off new objects like model spreadsheets is fantastic, and I wanted to do the same with REXX. It appears however that if I start with an OS/2 command file, there is no template checkbox to be found. If I start with a data file, named with a .cmd suffix, dragging off new programs results in objects that retain the data file plain text type, and will not execute. Even if you go into settings and change the types, the object remains a file and cannot be executed. IMHO, all objects except for possibly compiled .exe files, should allow the template behavior. Has anyone come up with a workaround to make a template of a .CMD Rexx or cmd file? (I assume that .BAT files have the same problem... I have not tried). Does anyone want to join me in requesting IBM to add this enhancement? (or better yet a bug fix so we get it prior to OS/2 3.0 <g>) George Clark, Norton Company ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:32:13 on 92/07/27 GMT (by IL42384 at OS2CUST) Subject: Size of a Directory Folder from WPS Hello out there; Has anyone found a way, from the WPS to display the size of a directory folder. I tried detail, icon and tree view but they don't report the number of files and total size. I know how to do this from the OS/2 command prompt. Since OS/2 is an object oriented system it would be nice if there was a way to do it. Note that a drive icon tree will display the size of the drive and amount free. The notebook does have total drive details. I think the information I need is missing from the pop-up menu. Anyone else found a better way. By the way has anyone tried to set the notebook of a diretory folder so that it appears as a tree by default. I tried to set it on the OS2 directory folder from the C drive. With the tree icon view checked as default the system still displayed an icon view. I tried this with a detail view also. Detail view did work. PS: Spoke directly to an OS/2 programmer. He said hold tight they are going to get it right. <I hope soon> Want to see something interesting. Drag a directory folder that has more than 1.44 megs worth of files to a drive object. The system will attemp to copy as many files as possible. Once it realizes it won't fit it aborts the task, erases the destination of any files that were copied and no messages are displayed. You don't even know that the files didn't fit. OS/2 2.0 GA Beta version 1 bye....... Jerry Sitbon (718) 357-4369 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:33:18 on 92/07/27 GMT (by LAW at CARVM3) --- ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 15:52:10 on 92/07/27 GMT (by LAW at CARVM3) ... Subject: Template for Rexx commands Ref: Append at 02:01:29 on 92/07/27 GMT (by IL22993 at OS2CUST) It is possible to create a .cmd file template. Just issue WinCreateObject with class=WPProgramFile, title=template.cmd, and setup=TEMPLATE=YES. This results in a "template" .cmd file that can be used to create new .cmd program files. Unfortunately, dragging a new one off such a template doesn't cause the new file to have the same contents as the template file. Instead, you get an empty file. A simple "get template.cmd" command within the EPM editor will solve that, though, so maybe this is good enough? Bill Law | PS: Be very careful attempting the suggestion given above. It seems | to have the consequence of making some (or all?) subsequent | object creations be templates, as well. I found that doing a | WinCreateObject with TEMPLATE=NO seemed to "reset" this behavior. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:14:53 on 92/07/27 GMT (by ROK2027 at OS2CUST) Subject: Lost Minimized Icon.... We have several folks experiencing problems where the OS/2 Window is minimized and the icon is not appearing in the MWV.... Any suggestions. I can be found in the task list so it is not completely lost. Lionel Dyck - Rockwell International, Information Systems Center ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:38:21 on 92/07/27 GMT (by IL22993 at OS2CUST) Subject: Template for Rexx commands Ref: Append at 15:33:18 on 92/07/27 GMT (by LAW at CARVM3) --- Thanks... (And thanks even more for the PS...) I think I'll stay away from that technique for now. I would hope that it would be a reasonable request that the template behavior be available for .CMD files. I realize that EPM, or even Ctl-Drag can be used to do a similar function, however now that I have "discovered" templates, I want more!!! Thanks again... George Clark, Norton Company ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:19:09 on 92/07/28 GMT (by MORT at KGNVMM) -- Subject: Lost Minimized Icon.... Ref: Append at 19:14:53 on 92/07/27 GMT (by ROK2027 at OS2CUST) Have you checked the setting in: OS/2 System - System Setup - System - Window is not checked to hide window on minimize button? Eric ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:28:42 on 92/07/28 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: Lost Minimized Icon.... Ref: Append at 19:14:53 on 92/07/27 GMT (by ROK2027 at OS2CUST) Check how the session's behavior is defined in Settings/Window... Is it Hide (what you see...) or Minimize to Viewer (what you want...) ? Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/07/28 12:27 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:09:30 on 92/07/28 GMT (by ROK2027 at OS2CUST) Subject: Lost Minimized Icon.... Ref: Append at 16:28:42 on 92/07/28 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) After a reboot the icons are once again in the MWV - as expected and as defined in the settings. Lionel Dyck - Rockwell International, Information Systems Center ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:57:57 on 92/07/28 GMT (by TBHIC at OS2CUST) Subject: Network on WPS Ref: Append at 21:46:24 on 92/07/26 GMT (by THRUMD at SYDVM1) The code that allows you to see LAN Manger domains is in the LS Requester (GA). When I open my network folder, LS Icon, I can see servers on a LAN Manager domain as well as my LAN Server domain. The trick is to list all relevant domains in the 'OTHDOMAINS' entry in the ibmlan.ini file. Also, the netbios virtual device driver lets you run the DOS LAN Requester in a 'booted' DOS session. I have also gotten the LAN Manger DOS Requester to work in a similar fashion. It is possible that other peer-to-peer networking products that use Netbios will also work in a booted DOS session. Has anyone out there done this with Netware Lite etc.? Matt Hickman, Chevron Matt@bhice.hou130.chevron.com ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:33:22 on 92/07/29 GMT (by ZECHES at ALMADEN) Subject: Associating an icon to a group of objects ? Hi, I would like to customize my desktop in order to - associate EPM to the C source files - have the C Source files appear with an icon of mine I know how to do the first step ; however, I have problems for the second one. I know how to change the icon on each object individually, and I have created a template with that icon for the next objects i will create. The problem is to associate the icon to the existing objects As there are quite a few of them, it is unreasonnable to change them one by one. Is there a way (I was about to say "like on macintosh") to associate an icon to a group of objects, according to a given criteria or not ? That is, is it possible to declare either "Associate this icon to this type of objects (e.g. C code)" or "Associate this icon to the objects currently selected" ? Thanks, Nicolas Zeches ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:00:04 on 92/07/30 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Associating an icon to a group of objects ? Ref: Append at 21:33:22 on 92/07/29 GMT (by ZECHES at ALMADEN) Nicolas: You've hit on a subject that I wanted to query. Under 1.x File Manager if one had set up an association (e.g. KEDIT to *.DOC) and displayed a directory *.DOC files would be displayed with the program's icon. I don't believe this is the case with 2.0, the DRIVES will only show the object's icon or the default. Thus, if you want your objects to have the same icon as the associated program one has to attach the icon to the object. If you have access to ESDTools there is a rexx utility ICONEA that will attach icons to a group of files specified. The problem I have with this is that you are increasing the size of the file by an EA (anywhere from about 512 to 5K depending on what is in the icon file) -- this can be pretty expensive in disk realty, plus the EA will get messed up if these are files used by native DOS apps who know nothing about EAs, plus there is a bug in WPS regarding displaying too many icons! To me a much better implementation would be to display an object's icon if there, if not display the program's -- just like FileManager. Michael Harper - Cdn Depository for Securities, Ltd ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:39:51 on 92/07/30 GMT (by PERSHNG at YKTVMH) Subject: Auto-Start not Working? At boot time, my system does not automagically start the applications and/or folders which were open when I last shut down. What am I missing in my CONFIG.SYS to make this happen? My CONFIG.SYS includes the line: SET AUTOSTART=PROGRAMS,TASKLIST,FOLDERS and it does *not* include a RESTARTOBJECTS statement. John A. Pershing Jr. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:13:46 on 92/07/30 GMT (by 86693596 at WARVM2) ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 15:20:13 on 92/07/30 GMT (by 86693596 at WARVM2) Subject: Colorado Tape Backup SoftWare for OS/2 Ref: Append at 16:00:27 on 92/07/15 GMT (by CMIG069 at OS2CUST) I remember reading recently that Colorado have decided (due to customer demand) to produce OS/2 drivers for their tape drives by the fourth quarter of this year. Hope someone else can help you with another solution in the mean-time. | I imagine the more customer requests they get, the sooner they'll | bring it out, so you might want to write to them... Andrew Agerbak, EAS Product Support, Brentford, UK ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:19:48 on 92/07/30 GMT (by DBXB533 at OS2CUST) Subject: Broken-Connection Icons Revisited I have just finished reading the discussion on the broken-connection icon and I noticied that there hasn't been an answer posted to Rich Niles question on 92/06/26. His question which is the same as mine is: Is therea fix for the problem? The only way I've been able to get around the problem is to put any shadows in a seperate folder and then open the folder after I have logged onto the LAN. Frank Valdivieso ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:23:44 on 92/07/30 GMT (by RICHKULP at CARVM3) Subject: Associating an icon to a group of objects ? Ref: Append at 12:00:04 on 92/07/30 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) The program exe has the function to do this. One of it's EA's is the .ASSOCTABLE EA. This requires the producer of the EXE to add this EA, but it allows very complicated associations with the program. Rich Kulp ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:52:28 on 92/07/30 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Associating an icon to a group of objects ? Ref: Append at 18:23:44 on 92/07/30 GMT (by RICHKULP at CARVM3) Rich: Okay, so why does the two OS/2 editors do this? The standard editor comes with two associations, *.DOC and *,.TXT, predefined into OS/2. Yet when I display my DOC directory I get the plain old white document icon. Michael Harper - Cdn Depository for Securities, Ltd ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:05:25 on 92/07/30 GMT (by RNILES at DETVMIC6) Subject: Associating an icon to a group of objects ? Ref: Append at 12:00:04 on 92/07/30 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) I agree, the ability to associate an icon to a group of files such as all my wordperfect documents was a nice feature that my customer states they have been doing in 1.3 and want to do in 2.0. They have also asked if it is possible to do this in 2.0 and how. From the above append my guess is no, but I would like to hear from someone that there is no way to do this other than using the REXX utility ICONEA that increases the size of each file or that it can be done. Rich Niles 8/657-3972 Manufacturing, Process & Utilities Business Unit ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 22:45:04 on 92/07/30 GMT (by JL05649 at YMTVM8) Subject: codepage option of WPS object setting I am using OS/2 J2.0. The codepage is 942 (Japanese) and 850 (International). I must use a editor (EPM) both on 942 and 850. To use EPM both on 942 and 850, I must prepare EPMSBCS.CMD and EPMDBCS.CMD whose content is: CHCP 942 or CHCP 850 START EPM and register these .CMD on WPS instead of registering EPM.EXE. I feel that it is not smart. I think the best way to invoke EPM both on 942 and 850 from WPS without using .CMD file is: WPS's object setting book page has the codepate check or codepage entry field. What do you think about it ? Yano ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 23:09:27 on 92/07/30 GMT (by RICHKULP at CARVM3) Subject: Associating an icon to a group of objects ? Ref: Append at 18:52:28 on 92/07/30 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) That association is done through WPS, not through the EA's, so it's not using .ASSOCTYPE. Rich Kulp ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 11:47:20 on 92/07/31 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Associating an icon to a group of objects ? Ref: Append at 23:09:27 on 92/07/30 GMT (by RICHKULP at CARVM3) Rich: So WPS is at "fault". Give me back File Manager!! Michael Harper - Cdn Depository for Securities, Ltd ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:56:02 on 92/08/02 GMT (by WZ00511 at OS2CUST) Subject: Protecting WPS configuration Ref: Append at 00:25:34 on 92/07/21 GMT (by BCHI040 at OS2CUST) Jerry, I'm catching up on the appends in this forum so your question may have already been answered. In one of the forums here there was an announcement posted of a secure version of the WPS...or maybe it would be more correctly stated as a program that enables you to secure the WPS. I think it was posted in the OS2Q&A or OS2MISC forum. Sorry, I cant remember exactly where I saw it but it was on this BBS. Brad Bueche NationsBank EUC/Hotline Support Norfolk, VA ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:13:16 on 92/08/02 GMT (by WZ00511 at OS2CUST) Subject: Network on WPS Ref: Append at 19:55:58 on 92/07/23 GMT (by USBC238 at OS2CUST) Like I said I am catching up on appends so this thread may have already run its course.... I have the LS requester and the Novell requester loaded. I have a "Network" folder which has an icon for LAN Server and an icon for NETWARE..if I click on either of these it will show me all the servers that I have available to me for both Novell and Lan Server. And I imagine that when I figure out how to get TCP/IP for OS/2 2.0 running that I will also have icons of the UNIX servers available to me. From reading your 2 appends it seems that the LS requester is necessary if one is to have network objects recognized by the WPS. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong as continue to read through these appends. Brad Bueche NationsBank EUC/Hotline Support Norfolk, VA ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:27:37 on 92/08/02 GMT (by WZ00511 at OS2CUST) Subject: Network on WPS Ref: Append at 20:52:35 on 92/07/24 GMT (by TJBARRO at CHGVMIC1) Timothy, LAN Enabler!? Is this available yet? I've always heard this entity described as the 802.2 VDD (like you pointed out), but I thought it was another feature that would be added to a "future release" of OS/2 2.0. What is the real story? Right now, I have 2 TR adapter and am waiting for the VTAM people to gen my second PU. I support DOS comm packages and CM. I have been runing 2.0 since 1/1/92 with only one adapter....so I am supporting the DOS apps from memory (mine that is...not the machines). I'm trying to get more people in support to start running OS/2 2.0 but I can't ask them to buy a second TR adapter in order to do so. Thanks in advance! Brad Bueche NationsBank EUC/Hotline Support Norfolk, VA ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:42:15 on 92/08/02 GMT (by WZ00511 at OS2CUST) Subject: Network on WPS Ref: Append at 21:57:57 on 92/07/28 GMT (by TBHIC at OS2CUST) Matt, I'm assuming that you only have one Lan Adapter in your machine. With this in mind, are you saying that, while you are using the adapter to hook OS/2up to the Lan(s), you are also using that same adapter for your DOS sessions to hook up to the LAN? I thought that this required the 802.2 VDD... which hasn't been released yet. I havent heard of the virtual driver for Netbios...how do you set this up? Thanks in advance! Brad Bueche NationsBank EUC/Hotline Support Norfolk, VA ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:14:13 on 92/08/02 GMT (by AMBC006 at MARTLINK) Subject: Network on WPS Ref: Append at 21:57:57 on 92/07/28 GMT (by TBHIC at OS2CUST) I have the a few DOS 5.0 VDM's using NetBios do some Peer-to-Peer applications, if you haven't found the documentation, it is pretty well defined in Chapter 5 of the Network Administration Supplement (S04G-1080). We have a few DOS Windows Netbios applications we have to run in an WIN/OS2 envirnoment and some other packages that (overall) seem to be running pretty well. My PC guy was ru nning Netware in a VDM because of the problems try to fit in in with ES, and he Michael Suszko, Jr (A. M. Best Co., Oldwick NJ) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:04:39 on 92/08/03 GMT (by TBHIC at OS2CUST) Subject: Network on WPS Ref: Append at 18:42:15 on 92/08/02 GMT (by WZ00511 at OS2CUST) Brad, Yes there is a Netbios Virtual Device Driver. You set this up by running setupvdd.exe (in the \IBMCOM dir), which adds the appropriate lines to the config.sys. The DOS LAN Req (DLR) must be run in a booted DOS session. Netbios is configured by the following command: \ibmcom\ltsvcfg s=12 c=14 n=8. If you do some tuning of the protocol.ini file you can run up to 4 DLRs in 4 DOS sessions and an OS/2 requester similtaneously. Remember that the computer names have to be unique. Complete documentaion on this is in the "Network Administrator Reference Supplement for OS/2 2.0" that comes with the LAN Server 2.0 package. Altho I do have 2 adapters, I am currently using only 1 for Netbios, including DOS session DLRs and other DOS Netbios apps. In this case the Netbios VDD is better than a dedicated TR card for the DOS session, because you can have more than 1 DOS session run the DLR. As for 802.2, It is not needed by the DLR, but is necessary for 3270 connectivity to a TIC, like a 3174. 802.2 VDD should come in a month or two (I hope). Matt Hickman, Chevron Matt@bhice.hou130.chevron.com ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 02:39:05 on 92/08/04 GMT (by WZ00511 at OS2CUST) Subject: Network on WPS Ref: Append at 18:04:39 on 92/08/03 GMT (by TBHIC at OS2CUST) Matt, Thanks for the response! If I understand you correctly. Then this means that I will be able to run the DOS version of NOTES in one of these booted DLR's because NOTES communicates via netbios! Thats cool! We also support CCMail..do you know if this requires ONLY Netbios (as opposed to 802.2 or something else)? This OS is great! The possibilies are seemingly endless! (Why CC:Mail and NOTES you ask? Because I am supposed to be supporting CC:Mail soon, and I love NOTES <=this is another cool product!...Hopefully, I can get the company to "officially" adopt NOTES too). Brad Bueche NationsBank EUC/Hotline Support Norfolk, VA ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 02:53:09 on 92/08/04 GMT (by THRUMD at SYDVM1) Subject: Network on WPS Ref: Append at 02:39:05 on 92/08/04 GMT (by WZ00511 at OS2CUST) Yes, Notes Windows client will run fine in WINOS2 session with NETBIOS VDD installed (OS/2 client also runs fine - are there some specific things you need that you can't use this?) cc:Mail is even easier. It only requires a redirected drive, so doesn't need NETBIOS. Both DOS and Windows clients run fine under OS/2, though the latest revision of the Windows version is required (apparently to workaround some WINOS2 bugs). Native OS/2 PM version should be available 4th quarter. Dave ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:45:48 on 92/08/04 GMT (by TBHIC at OS2CUST) Subject: Network on WPS Ref: Append at 02:39:05 on 92/08/04 GMT (by WZ00511 at OS2CUST) Brad, I have had experience with both. In a previous incarnation, I did CC Mail support. It did not require netbios then, and probably that continues. They also had an OS/2 version which was a straight port and suffered from it. And now that Lotus owns them. OS/2 support should continue and intensify. Speaking of Lotus Notes, I wowed my boss recently by running Lotus Notes in a DOS session. He was wowed because, as a mixed LAN Man/LAN Server shop, we run straight Netbios. However, corporate wide, Notes is implemented using Netware's Nebios emulator (which is a Netbios API over IPX). And normally you can have only either real Netbios or the emulator running. But with OS/2, you can have the Netware Netbios emulator running in a OOS session independent of the Netbios running under OS/2 or in another DOS session. We ARE having some real stability difficulties with Lotus Notes for Windows under WinOs/2. But Lotus says it will support Notes in a WInOS2 environment real soon. Perhaps we can trade war stories after you get yours working. Matt Hickman, Chevron Matt@bhice.hou130.chevron.com ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:00:49 on 92/08/04 GMT (by TBHIC at OS2CUST) Subject: Network on WPS Ref: Append at 02:53:09 on 92/08/04 GMT (by THRUMD at SYDVM1) Dave- We are having some stability problems (mostly GP faults from some OS/2 286 module). But we are running it with the Netware Netbios emulator. Is this a problem?? Matt Hickman, Chevron Matt@bhice.hou130.chevron.com ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:50:42 on 92/08/06 GMT (by NAAG8T6 at OS2CUST) Subject: Shadow Names I renamed a folder on my desktop, which had a shadow in the STARTUP folder. Next day, I found that the name under the icon in the STARTUP folder was not updated. Having noticed this, now when I update the name (using GENERAL SETTINGS) on either one, the other does get updated. Does anyone recognize a bug here or is there a requirement on how you do this to make the update take effect on all shadows? Bruce Ferrero (Aetna) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:03:03 on 92/08/06 GMT (by NAAG8T6 at OS2CUST) Subject: Etch-a-sketch Last nite, I booted my PC and went home. Desktop is configured with automatic lockup after 15 minutes, and when I got in this morning the lock screen was there. After unlocking, I had a Lan Server and a Netware logon window. After taking care of these (and there was a problem with Lan Server, see note in that section), any folder I opened gave the same result: only the window outline showed up on the desktop, no icons or text inside the outline. I could resize these boxes and in fact many of the edges drew themselves again and again, parallel to each other (like an etch-a-sketch). I was able to print screen this. Problem went away after shutdown and reboot. I have not applied any fixes. I suggest you might try the overnite lockup, especially with a Lan Server in the startup folder, to see if you notice any problem like this. Bruce Ferrero (Aetna) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:52:21 on 92/08/06 GMT (by HAMMOND at RCHVMV) ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 17:27:20 on 92/08/06 GMT (by HAMMOND at RCHVMV) Subject: Shadow Names Ref: Append at 12:50:42 on 92/08/06 GMT (by NAAG8T6 at OS2CUST) | |From the responses it sounds like I need to go look at my system at home - I | might be confusing Shadows and Reference Objects. | That is not a bug since it is one of the advantages of shadows. The name on a shadow can be anything that you want, it doesn't have to match the original. Now, if you change the name of the original, did the shadow keep its connection? Pat Hammond ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:32:30 on 92/08/06 GMT (by NAAG8T6 at OS2CUST) Subject: Shadow Names Ref: Append at 14:52:21 on 92/08/06 GMT (by HAMMOND at RCHVMV) I don't agree. It says in 'Master Help' that "an action done to an object (for example, a name change) occurs in the original as well.". This is what I see happening when I change either one (now). But I found the shadow to have the back-level name when I first looked at it. Bruce Ferrero (Aetna) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:57:54 on 92/08/06 GMT (by KFANNING at LSAVMIC4) Subject: Shadow Names Ref: Append at 14:52:21 on 92/08/06 GMT (by HAMMOND at RCHVMV) Sorry, but I think you're wrong on this....shadows and original objects share whatever changes are made to either one. Sounds like unexpected results to me. Kathy Fanning OS/2 2.0 - The Operating System of Choice Workstation Specialist SE Santa Barbara, CA ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:10:41 on 92/08/06 GMT (by DCK at FSHVMCC) -- Subject: Changing Background Bitmap Has anyone else noticed that when changing the background image that if you accidentally double click on an image name that the result is that the first click picks the image removing the image list, and the second click will result in picking the <Edit> button? What happens next is that it tries to load the bitmap into the icon/bitmap editor usually failing miserably because of the size of the bitmap resulting in a lockup that lasts for a minute or so. I have seen several other people making the same mistake which means that even though it is WAD that it should be "fixed." Dan Kovacs ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:11:59 on 92/08/06 GMT (by TCSC086 at OS2CUST) Subject: Double Desktop All, One of my fustrations with the workplace has been that the Desktop does not POP forward when I click on it - or select it from the task list. My desk is littered with various Windows so getting to something I want gets difficult. Finally, after some SOM study, it appeared that the Desktop could be treated as an ordinary container (folder). I changed the > Window Object Open behavior < to > Create new window. Now, I create a "movable" desktop just by OPENing the Desktop to the View that I wish. This works GREAT! It gives me just what I wanted. However, I feel slightly uneasy. Is anyone aware of ANY reason why I should NOT use the desktop in this way???? It seems to be no more than just another Desktop view that happens to be Icon in nature. Dan Lundy Time Customer Service, Inc. Tampa, Fl ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:15:44 on 92/08/06 GMT (by V$IGBERT at AUSVM1) Subject: Double Desktop Ref: Append at 18:11:59 on 92/08/06 GMT (by TCSC086 at OS2CUST) One quirk I found was this: after my WPS crashed and reinitialized, mouseclicks on the new normally "background" desktop would cover any non-PM apps that predated (and survived) the WPS crash: my CM 3270 session and OS/2 window would disappear behind the background desktop. It was easy to fix, though: I just set the destop to "open existing", clicked on its Open menu (thus "collapsing" the icon views to one), and then reset it back to "create new". Giovanni Bertolini (wheels within wheels, Bendreth) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:21:50 on 92/08/06 GMT (by N$DAHMUS at BCRVM1) Subject: Changing Background Bitmap Ref: Append at 17:10:41 on 92/08/06 GMT (by DCK at FSHVMCC) I'd say it's a good design - but the problem is that the Icon Editor isn't very good for editing bitmaps. What OS/2 needs is a good Bitmap Editor. (Editing a file on a double-click is a very logical action to take, IMHO) ------------ Mike Dahmus Screen Reader Development TEAM OS/2 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:55:44 on 92/08/06 GMT (by IL42384 at OS2CUST) Subject: Changing Background Bitmap Ref: Append at 17:10:41 on 92/08/06 GMT (by DCK at FSHVMCC) -- Hi Dan; I discovered that same effect. The long wait is due to the Icon editor, trying to load the image. I wouldn't mind the wait if the editor really could have read the image but instead after all that time if fails. OS/2 has some interesting weakness with images. You can't use the Picture viewer to display or print Bitmaps. There is no direct way to convert a captured Bitmap, from the clipboard to a file. If the Icon editor could have handled larger images than all these problems could have been solved. OS/2 2.0 GA Beta Version 1 Jerry Sitbon (718) 357-4369 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 22:53:26 on 92/08/06 GMT (by X019347 at OS2CUST) Subject: WPS out of memory error I am not sure if this is the correct section to put this but here it goes. I am getting a PM error PMV2001. This is telling me I am running out of memory . But my Swap file is only 5 meg and I still have 20 meg of space on my swap d rive. This usualy only happens when running Windows apps in a window. Has anyone else had this?? Any way around this?? to get around the error I us ualy have to reboot. Jim Grant ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 07:26:48 on 92/08/07 GMT (by ROBERTS at ASICVM1) Subject: Double Desktop Ref: Append at 18:11:59 on 92/08/06 GMT (by TCSC086 at OS2CUST) No, this is exactly the sort of strategy that users were expected to adopt. Dave Roberts - Software Designer, Warwick SDL ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 10:59:46 on 92/08/07 GMT (by WPLYLER at CLTVM3) Subject: WPS out of memory error Ref: Append at 22:53:26 on 92/08/06 GMT (by X019347 at OS2CUST) Do you have the OS2KRNL fix installed? I started getting the PVM2001 "Out of Memory" error when I installed this fix. Backing the fix out of the system removed these errors, which occurred with 30meg free on the swapdisk and 14meg of system memory. Bill Plyler ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:07:36 on 92/08/07 GMT (by MIKE at HOUVMSCC) Subject: Template for Rexx commands Ref: Append at 02:01:29 on 92/07/27 GMT (by IL22993 at OS2CUST) Here's how I would do it. Drag a template off the DATAFILE template icon. You now have a data file. Double click on it (calling up the editor) and add all your boilerplate code. Save it. Open up its settings. Go to the general page. Change its name to REXX.CMD and check the TEMPLATE box. Exit. You should now have a rexx template with boilerplate code. Mike Felix ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:20:02 on 92/08/07 GMT (by HALLERMA at BCRVMPC1) Subject: WPS out of memory error Ref: Append at 22:53:26 on 92/08/06 GMT (by X019347 at OS2CUST) Did you install the updated kernel? There have been some reports of this error with the new kernel. If so, back out to the original kernel. Mel Hallerman ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:25:08 on 92/08/07 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) - Subject: WPS out of memory error Ref: Append at 22:53:26 on 92/08/06 GMT (by X019347 at OS2CUST) Known problem hitting a number of people who have installed the latest OS2KRNL fix. Back it out is the ONLY remedy at this time. The problem is being worked, and in some cases either --- - deleting SWAPPER.DAT (when booted via DOS) and rebooting may clear the problem. - running CHKDSK on the SWAPPER disk may clear the problem. - accepting the error (over 20 times in some cases) may clear the problem. Irv Spalten BPC Technical Interface Group, Boca Raton FL ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:20:30 on 92/08/07 GMT (by AMRT04A at OS2CUST) Subject: Would Like To Bring Up OS/2 2.0 IN Text MODE only We desire to install OS/2 2.0 on a DataBase Server in Text Mode only like we remember could be done in OS/2 1.0. We do not want to have the workplace shell displayed. We just want an immediate full screen OS/2 command screen. Can anyone out there tell me if this is possible. If so, How do we set it up? Thanks, Ken O (AA) Ken O (AA) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:50:48 on 92/08/07 GMT (by DCK at FSHVMCC) -- Subject: Changing Background Bitmap Ref: Append at 19:21:50 on 92/08/06 GMT (by N$DAHMUS at BCRVM1) Yes, double clicking would be a good design, except that you are not actually double clicking on the file in the list. After the first click, the list disappears and the second click hits the <edit> button. Or, if the file that you pick doesn't happen to be over the edit button then it doesn't try to edit. Sometimes you can hit the create another button, and sometimes you don't hit any button at all, so that the results that you get aren't consistent. This would be especially confusing for people not familiar with OS/2 and as it happens is often one of the first things that people usually want to do when they get OS/2 up and running. Dan Kovacs ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:02:32 on 92/08/07 GMT (by AYP1Q01 at OS2CUST) Subject: Command Line "Shell" I have discovered that modifying a couple of lines in CONFIG.SYS will allow me to boot with just the OS/2 full screen command line: PROTSHELL=C:\OS2\CMD.EXE SET RUNWORKPLACE=C:\OS2\CMD.EXE This is useful, for example, in backing up my OS2\OS2*.INI files and other files which are normally not available when the WorkPlace shell is running. This is almost as good as booting from the install diskettes, and much faster. However, I would like some way to be able to edit files while in this mode. I never did (and don't want to) learn EDLIN, and DOS 5.0's EDIT is not available. Interestingly, I CAN start up the OS/2 System Editor, which boots the Desktop (the cart pulling the horse here), but as soon as I close the editor, the Desktop hangs and I am forced to reboot. Any ideas? I would really like to see a full-screen text mode OS/2 editor. Steve Bassler, Allegheny Power ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:27:13 on 92/08/07 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) - ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 15:30:45 on 92/08/07 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) . Subject: Command Line "Shell" Ref: Append at 15:02:32 on 92/08/07 GMT (by AYP1Q01 at OS2CUST) |I have an editor coming under OS2EWS (TINYED, or T and T2 to us IBM'ers) that is JUST what you want. All ready to go, but waiting for the legal paperwork before I release it. Irv Spalten BPC Technical Interface Group, Boca Raton FL ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:27:36 on 92/08/07 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 18:31:20 on 92/08/07 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: Command Line "Shell" Ref: Append at 15:02:32 on 92/08/07 GMT (by AYP1Q01 at OS2CUST) Leave PROTSHELL alone ! Change RUNWORKPLACE only... Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/08/07 12:26 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:30:44 on 92/08/07 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: Would Like To Bring Up OS/2 2.0 IN Text MODE only Ref: Append at 14:20:30 on 92/08/07 GMT (by AMRT04A at OS2CUST) Edit CONFIG.SYS, change SET RUNWORKPLACE=x:\OS2\PMSHELL.EXE to ... =x:\OS2\CMD.EXE will bring up a single OS2 session (labelled sic! Workplace Shell) but you will still have the possibility to START/DETACH PM based application. Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/08/07 12:27 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:13:36 on 92/08/07 GMT (by WZ00511 at OS2CUST) Subject: WPS out of memory error Ref: Append at 22:53:26 on 92/08/06 GMT (by X019347 at OS2CUST) Jim, I had this same problem. I applied the OS2KRNL fix and the HPFS fix and the problem went away. I think the OS2KRNL fix is the one that actually fixed the problem....because it fixes the problem of the swapper.dat not knowing how much space is really left. (OK its a very non-technical description!). Brad Bueche NationsBank EUC/Hotline Support Norfolk, VA ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:44:01 on 92/08/07 GMT (by AMRT04A at OS2CUST) Subject: OS/2 2.0booting in Text Mode Part 2 Ref: Additional Question OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:30:44 on 92/08/07 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK Subject: Would Like To Bring Up OS/2 2.0 IN Text MODE only Orig: Append at 14:20:30 on 92/08/07 GMT (by AMRT04A at OS2CUST) It works if you modify RUNWORKPLACE and leave PROTSHELL alone. Our question is how do we access shutdown. The system does not allow exit of the Workplace Shell OS/2 window. If there is a OS/2 command attached to the shutdown we can not find it. Is Cntrl/Alt/Del the only way? Also, while in this mode is there a command or procedure we can execute to bring up the entire shell if we need it? or do we always have to edit config.sys to change back and forth. Ken O. (American Airlines, Tulsa, Ok.) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:58:12 on 92/08/07 GMT (by SHABBY at RCHVMP) Subject: Would Like To Bring Up OS/2 2.0 IN Text MODE only Ref: Append at 19:44:01 on 92/08/07 GMT (by AMRT04A at OS2CUST) you should be able to just type "PMSHELL" at the CMD line to start the Workplace Shell. Also, you might try "SETBOOT /B" to reboot after an orderly HPFS shutdown. This is iff you have Boot Manager on the hard disk though. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:01:00 on 92/08/07 GMT (by N$DAHMUS at BCRVM1) Subject: Would Like To Bring Up OS/2 2.0 IN Text MODE only Ref: Append at 19:44:01 on 92/08/07 GMT (by AMRT04A at OS2CUST) You can't shutdown if you boot OS/2 without the Workplace Shell. (Or at least, you can't without writing a little PM program to do it that simply calls WinShutdownSystem...) ------------ Mike Dahmus Screen Reader Development TEAM OS/2 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:10:58 on 92/08/07 GMT (by IL11901 at OS2CUST) ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 16:58:30 on 92/08/24 GMT (by HOPKINS at AUSVM8) Subject: oops, wrong place for ad. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:52:06 on 92/08/10 GMT (by SAMI3QU at OS2CUST) ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 17:01:03 on 92/08/24 GMT (by HOPKINS at AUSVM8) Subject: oops 2, a bit of cleanup (thanks Mark) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:39:45 on 92/08/10 GMT (by NAAG8T6 at OS2CUST) Subject: SWAPPATH parms I modified the SWAPPATH parms in CONFIG.SYS some time ago from the default 'SWAPPATH 2048' to 'SWAPPATH 32768 4096', which from what I read means that the warning level is at 32 megs free and the initial size is 4 megs. This has been running fine UNTIL a few days ago when my system would not finish booting. After problem isolation, I found it was getting thru CONFIG.SYS but hanging on a blank screen with a cursor in the upper left corner, and WPS never came up. Further, the SWAPPATH line was causing the hang, because when it was changed to 'SWAPPATH 4096', the system booted ok. There is about 48 megs free on the boot drive (D:) so the 32768 parm should not trigger anything (right?). Is this a known bug? I am not running any of the fixes (yet). Bruce Ferrero (Aetna) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:43:23 on 92/08/10 GMT (by NAAG8T6 at OS2CUST) Subject: Flashing Gray I set my WPS background to blue. As WPS comes up, I see the following sequence of visual events: -Blue screen -Clock appears -Clock changes to cursor -Screen flashes gray, then goes back to blue -Desktop icons are built My question is, why the flash of gray? Bruce Ferrero (Aetna) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 22:12:02 on 92/08/10 GMT (by IL11901 at OS2CUST) ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 17:02:14 on 92/08/24 GMT (by HOPKINS at AUSVM8) Subject: oops 3 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:01:35 on 92/08/11 GMT (by NAAG8T6 at OS2CUST) Subject: Shadow Hatching In general, open objects appear 'hatched' on the desktop or in a folder, to give a visible indication that they are open. What is the behavior supposed to be for shadows? That is, if you start the original object, or a shadow, are all shadows supposed to hatch also? I see inconsistent results on this. For example, when I put shadows in my STARTUP folder, they open at startup, but it looks like only the original object is hatched, not the shadow in STARTUP. For another example, when I start 'Netware Tools' in the Netware folder, it hatches, and shadows seem to hatch only if the folder containing them is open at the time the original object is opened. Is this WAD? Bruce Ferrero (Aetna) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:14:59 on 92/08/11 GMT (by AYP1Q01 at OS2CUST) Subject: Command Line "Shell" Ref: Append at 16:27:36 on 92/08/07 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) > Leave PROTSHELL alone! Change RUNWORKPLACE only... Why? If I leave PROTSHELL alone, as you suggest, I get a windowed command prompt and a black background. If I change it to CMD.EXE, I get a full-screen command prompt, which probably (I'm making wild assumptions here, so bear with me if I'm out in left field) ties up less resources and gives me a more minimal system. Executing PMSHELL at this point still gives me the PM environment, if I need it (e.g. for edit). So what's the difference? Steve Bassler, Allegheny Power ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:36:33 on 92/08/11 GMT (by NAAG8T6 at OS2CUST) Subject: Double Desktop Ref: Append at 18:11:59 on 92/08/06 GMT (by TCSC086 at OS2CUST) Pretty neat. One bug (?) I had with this - I changed to 'new window' and then did a 'manual' open of the icon view. This gave me a window with the desktop icons. The background in this window was white, although my desktop itself is normally blue. I clicked M2 in the new window to look at this, selected background, and suddenly the background in the new window changed to blue without my doing anything. When I closed the settings, it stayed blue. All re-opens come up blue as well. Bruce Ferrero (Aetna) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:12:21 on 92/08/11 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) -- Subject: Double Desktop Ref: Append at 07:26:48 on 92/08/07 GMT (by ROBERTS at ASICVM1) One of my favorite tips... I have two views of the Desktop open at all times. A tree view to find folders (a lot faster than "Find...") and an icon view to allow the Desktop to surface. Dan Kehn ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:34:30 on 92/08/11 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) -- Subject: Flashing Gray Ref: Append at 19:43:23 on 92/08/10 GMT (by NAAG8T6 at OS2CUST) I think the gray flash is the "real" desktop painting. The WPS desktop is really just a container control that is on top of the "real" desktop (and they have an agreement that no windows are to be placed below the WPS desktop). You'll notice that if the WPS traps (which we all know would be as likely as seeing the Loch Ness monster), the "real" desktop is still there along with any applications that were running at the time as children of the "real" desktop. In short, the WPS is a PM application that covers the entire desktop. You're seeing each of them paint. Dan Kehn PS: The above is my conjecture based on lots of PM debugging, not first hand knowledge of the code. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:14:46 on 92/08/11 GMT (by SHABBY at RCHVMP) Subject: Flashing Gray Ref: Append at 16:34:30 on 92/08/11 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) That almost works except for the fact that the screen is the same color before the flash of grey as it is after, and before the flash of gray the desktop is not open. I think this means that the "real desktop" is the same color as the Desktop window. -Chris ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:17:39 on 92/08/11 GMT (by INGALLS at RHQVM03) Subject: Flashing Gray Ref: Append at 17:14:46 on 92/08/11 GMT (by SHABBY at RCHVMP) OK, how about this...the grey flash is the WPS desktop window being drawn just before being colored to the specified background color. I used to see this grey flash as well (but was not too concerned about it) but do not any longer. I have no idea why. Geoff Ingalls B1/1L15, Somers, NY Office & Desktop Solutions 8-826-1128 (FAX 8-826-1788) ------------- ISSC Solution Center - Tri-State ------------- ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:51:32 on 92/08/11 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: Command Line "Shell" Ref: Append at 15:14:59 on 92/08/11 GMT (by AYP1Q01 at OS2CUST) You are right about the resources - what you'll miss is the PM environment. And I am uncertain if you can recreate it at later moment by starting PMSHL32 manually - but you may be right... The 2.0 process hierarchy is by default the following: ...... sysinit -- PMSHL32 -- CMD (protshell) VDM .... PMSHL32 - you can replace this by CMD.EXE without (runworkplace) problem. Guess, I'll have to try and check. Did you ? Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/08/11 17:50 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 11:47:10 on 92/08/12 GMT (by WZ00533 at OS2CUST) Subject: WPS DRIVES - needs work... Ref: Append at 21:13:30 on 92/06/26 GMT (by ANYE93 at OS2CUST) This item is almost 2 months old now. I was wondering if anyone else agrees disagrees with the assertions in the original append. Based upon my and others experience, I don't believe the time I will have to I've heard complaints within my organization regarding how the 'old' file manager was much better than the DRIVES folder. Finally, I remember a discussion somewhere sometime regarding: Is there a way having new drive folders, by default, display a details view? Any comments? Dave Ferrey - Bethlehem Steel Corp - Bethlehem PA ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:37:03 on 92/08/12 GMT (by IL42384 at OS2CUST) Subject: WPS DRIVES - needs work... Ref: Append at 11:47:10 on 92/08/12 GMT (by WZ00533 at OS2CUST) Dave; I hope that I understand what you are asking. You can have any folder come up as you like by opening the directory folder and setting the default to TREE, DETAIL or ICON. You can then save this. Each time you double click on the folder the view will be the one you set as default. (See Open on PoP-up memu for your default to be checked) Now for the Bad news. If you decide to have a TREE view of a folder by default it will not work even if it appears checked. There is a know bug in OS/2 on this problem. I also agree that while the drive folders are pretty they don't offer enough power. Most of the time I end up going to a command prompt to do general file maniantance. Jerry Sitbon (718) 357-4369 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:16:29 on 92/08/12 GMT (by TCSC086 at OS2CUST) Subject: WPS DRIVES - needs work... Ref: Append at 15:37:03 on 92/08/12 GMT (by IL42384 at OS2CUST) Easy to agree with this one. While I could see a need for a TREE view, the performance is so slow that they are unusable. Now, if they were faster, they still don't offer any REAL features. In a rare comparion (IMHO), File Manager in Windows 3.1 is better and the preferred usage and display mechanism. Cut down the Trees! Dan Lundy Time Customer Service, Inc. Tampa, Fl ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:08:55 on 92/08/12 GMT (by NAAG8T6 at OS2CUST) Subject: WPS DRIVES - needs work... Ref: Append at 11:47:10 on 92/08/12 GMT (by WZ00533 at OS2CUST) As noted, you can get the details views by default, by selecting the default open behavior of the MENU settings. This is how I run both DRIVES and each individual drive. However, I don't use them much, because I agree the current implementation is too clumsy. It needs a major redesign. The WIN 3.1 file manager is much more usable. I also do file/directory maintenance with the command line. I also imagine we will see 3rd party solutions to this (Norton for OS/2 2.0?) Bruce Ferrero (Aetna) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:00:22 on 92/08/12 GMT (by IL11901 at OS2CUST) ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 20:12:18 on 92/08/12 GMT (by IL11901 at OS2CUST) Subject: WPS DRIVES - needs work... This APPEND was deleted at 16:12:17 on 08/12/92 EST. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:27:12 on 92/08/12 GMT (by IL11901 at OS2CUST) ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 20:29:21 on 92/08/12 GMT (by IL11901 at OS2CUST) Subject: WPS DRIVES - needs work... This APPEND was deleted at 16:29:20 on 08/12/92 EST. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 11:30:26 on 92/08/13 GMT (by WZ00533 at OS2CUST) Subject: WPS DRIVES - needs work... Ref: Append at 17:08:55 on 92/08/12 GMT (by NAAG8T6 at OS2CUST) Thanks for the feedback, I know about setting the default view to details for an existing object. How about when I create a new directory, I would like to open a details view by default without having to go in a change it. Thanks, Dave Ferrey - Bethlehem Steel Corp - Bethlehem PA ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:23:16 on 92/08/13 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) -- Subject: WPS DRIVES - needs work... Ref: Append at 11:30:26 on 92/08/13 GMT (by WZ00533 at OS2CUST) If no default view has been set for a given folder, it "inherits" the default view of its parent folder. So if you set the default view for your subdirectories (folders) under the root (eg, C:\MYSTUFF), all subfolders of that folder will inherit the default view (eg, C:\MYSTUFF\REPORTS). While the Drive objects LOOK like folders, they don't use the same code as the other folders. Hence the "inherit default view" code is not shared between them. I added the "inherit default view" code late in the development cycle. I did not realize at the time that it needed to be added to the Drive object's code, too. I regret the inconvenience this has caused you. I was "loaned out" to Boca for six months to work on WPS. I suggest you report this problem to IBM, as I no longer work in Boca and do not know if this problem has been corrected. Dan Kehn ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:59:33 on 92/08/13 GMT (by ST00TIM at OS2CUST) Subject: Lost all objects in System Setup folder Some time in the last 2 weeks, my system setup folder has emptied itself of all of it's contents. This also happened with my Information, Productivity, and Games folders, but I was able to recover those by dragging program templates to the folders and pointing them to the right programs. This does not seem to be possible, however, with the objects in the system setup folder. Any ideas on how to solve this problem short of reinstallation? Tim Woody, Ca. State Teachers' Retirement System ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:45:47 on 92/08/13 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) -- Subject: Lost all objects in System Setup folder Ref: Append at 15:59:33 on 92/08/13 GMT (by ST00TIM at OS2CUST) You are running the GA product, right? The problem you describe sounds like a pre-GA bug. In any case, here is a command file you can run (assuming you installed REXX) to recreate any of the system objects: /* ReCreate.CMD - restore lost desktop objects */ Call RxFuncAdd 'SysLoadFuncs', 'RexxUtil', 'SysLoadFuncs' Call SysLoadFuncs; SysBootDrive=Filespec('Drive',Value('COMSPEC',,'OS2ENVIRONMENT')); file_name=SysBootDrive||'\OS2\INI.RC'; Say "The program will list all standard WPS objects" Say "Reply Yes if you want recreate given object" Say "Default reply is No if you press ENTER," Say "Enter End if you want to end the program:" Do While Lines(file_name) > 0; line=Linein(file_name); If line='' Then Iterate; /* skip blanks */ /* get the "create object lines */ Parse Var line '"PM_InstallObject"' line; If line='' Then Iterate; /* skip others */ Parse Var line '"'head'" 'line; /* get header */ Parse Var line '"'setup'"' .; /* get setup string */ Parse Var head title';'object';'location; Say title "- Yes/No/End ?"; Pull reply ; If Left(reply,1) = 'E' Then Leave; If Left(reply,1) <> 'Y' Then Iterate; If SysCreateObject(object,title,location,setup,'Replace') = 0 Then Say 'Error creating:' title; Else Say title 'created !'; End; rc=Stream(file_name,'C','Close'); Exit; /* Enjoy your desktop ! */ Dan Kehn ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:24:41 on 92/08/13 GMT (by NAAG8T6 at OS2CUST) Subject: Flashing Gray Ref: Append at 17:17:39 on 92/08/11 GMT (by INGALLS at RHQVM03) My flash of gray went away recently too. I don't know why. I still see the 'flash of red' border, though. A similar situation occurs with Comm. Mgr - if left open at shutdown, it restarts at startup. Sometimes I see the black screen while this is happening. Other times, I don't and just see the auto-started sessions showing up on the desktop. Bruce Ferrero (Aetna) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:33:08 on 92/08/13 GMT (by NAAG8T6 at OS2CUST) Subject: Double Desktop Ref: Append at 18:11:59 on 92/08/06 GMT (by TCSC086 at OS2CUST) Here's a variation on this. You still need to set open window behavior to 'create new window'. Then use M2 on the desktop to create a shadow of the desktop on the desktop. Double clicking on the shadow gives you the same effect as opening a manual 2nd icon view. (then recursively, the shadow desktop window has a shadow which when double clicked brings up another shadow desktop window, etc). One bug (?) I saw creating the shadow was that the title was labelled 'Drive D - Create Shadow' after selecting 'create shadow' with M2. Bruce Ferrero (Aetna) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 00:14:03 on 92/08/14 GMT (by UDSS013 at OS2CUST) Subject: WPS DRIVES - needs work... | I've heard complaints within my organization regarding how the 'old' file | | manager was much better than the DRIVES folder. | At first, I felt that way. The first DRIVES I saw was on one of the beta drops (6.177, I think). It was 'incomplete' to be kind. I think it has come a long way and generally I like it better than the OS/2 v1.3 File Manager. I think it needs some improvements in performance & information (e.g. space used in a folder/directory, space used by EAs, space used by selected files which would be very useful when loading up a bunch of files to move to a floppy). I expect/hope to see some improvements in the much-anticipated September(?) upgrade for OS/2. The progress between just the last beta and the GA code was tremendous. If we don't see some progress by the end of the year, I would expect there's Gary Murphy ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 11:04:50 on 92/08/14 GMT (by WZ00533 at OS2CUST) Subject: WPS DRIVES - needs work... Ref: Append at 15:23:16 on 92/08/13 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) -- Thanks for the explanation, I won't open a problem at this time. It's more of an annoyance than a problem. Thanks again. Dave Ferrey - Bethlehem Steel Corp - Bethlehem PA ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 01:09:29 on 92/08/18 GMT (by IL21114 at OS2CUST) Subject: Creating a data file What's the easiest way to do this? I'd like to create a folder that has my word processor .exe in it and all the documents that it created. I'm baffled...I would even resort to creating a data file for each document. But I cannot for the life of me figure out how to do such a thing. I would expect to be able to drag the data file template to my new folder and bring up the settings/file page and change the path and file name ... but the path and file name are read-only entryfields. There's *got* to be a way to just drag an icon to a folder and edit its path and voila - there's a data file, right? I *know* I'm missing something basic here... Any help would be greatly appreciated. Rick Rick Fishman - Avco Financial Services ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 03:10:35 on 92/08/18 GMT (by DAVISN at HOUVMSCC) Subject: Creating a data file Ref: Append at 01:09:29 on 92/08/18 GMT (by IL21114 at OS2CUST) The act of dragging the template to the folder creates an actual file in that folder. It does get confusing trying to remember what is a "real" object, like a file, and what is a "virtual" object, like a program reference. (And "Folder" is just another name for a directory). ......... This is not the easiest way to set up, but will be the easiest to use (after setup). I am pretending the word processor is WP.EXE and creates files with an extension of ".WP". Change these for your situation. 1.Create your folder somewhere other than on the Desktop. You can do this by dragging a Folder template to the root of the c: drive object. Change the name to MY_WP (or whatever you want to call it). 2.Create a shadow of the folder on the Desktop. Do this by clicking Mouse button 2 on the folder's icon and select Create Shadow on the menu (or, if you like dragging things, hold Ctrl+Shift+Mousebutton2 while dragging the folder's icon to the desktop - release the mouse button FIRST). 3.Find the executable for the word processor (I will call it WP.EXE). Press mouse button 2 over the icon for WP.EXE and select Create Another from the menu. Have it put the program reference (which is what you are creating) in the MY_WP folder. Change the new icon's name from "program" to "My Word Processor" (or what ever). 4.Open the Settings notebook for "My Word Processor" and, on the first page, set the working directory to C:¢MY_WP (the folder created in step 1). On the Association page, add an association for files named "*.WP". (then close the settings notebook) 5.Now Open (start) "My Word Processor" and create an empty document. Save it as "WPFILE.WP" (using the appropriate extension for your word processor). (Then exit the word processor.) 6.Open "MY_WP" and find the file you just created (WPFILE.WP) and open it's Settings notebook. On the General page, click on the Template check box. The empty file is now a template (see OS/2 2.0 Using the Operating System (if you have a shrinkwrap copy) page 28). Now, to create a new word processor file, you just pull off a template (from the template stack right in the directory you need to be in). You can open a document by double clicking on it's icon, or by dragging it to the "My Word Processor" icon. I hope my instructions are clear enough to follow (and I did leave out some intermediate steps). If not, feel free to ask for clarification! Nathan Davis ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:06:59 on 92/08/18 GMT (by HAMMOND at RCHVMV) Subject: Creating a data file Ref: Append at 03:10:35 on 92/08/18 GMT (by DAVISN at HOUVMSCC) Your steps sound good, one comment: Some programs need to run from their own directory. In this case you need to set the working directory to that directory. When you double click on the data file icon, the entire path of the file will be passed to the program and this should work fine. Pat Hammond ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:57:28 on 92/08/18 GMT (by MATT at FSHVMFK1) Subject: Creating a data file Ref: Append at 03:10:35 on 92/08/18 GMT (by DAVISN at HOUVMSCC) Whhhooo! OS/2 is a big step toward ease of use, but ... I'm still wondering how my mother would ever figure out this one. Doesn't seem like it has to be that complicated. Matt King ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:25:08 on 92/08/18 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) -- Subject: Creating a data file Ref: Append at 13:57:28 on 92/08/18 GMT (by MATT at FSHVMFK1) I agree the process for creating a template object associated with an application is not intuitive. But a more WPS-aware word processor would have shipped with such a template already created and installed it in the Templates folder. With an object-oriented user interface, software developers don't ship applications. They ship objects that collaborate to perform the desired tasks. Dan Kehn ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:03:22 on 92/08/18 GMT (by HAMMOND at RCHVMV) Subject: Creating a data file Ref: Append at 16:25:08 on 92/08/18 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) You could skip a lot of that - just let the word processor create the new file. With many word processors, if you just start the program without giving it a file name it will start a new one. Then you can give it a name when you save it. I would guess this is the level that many OS/2 users will be at. Pat Hammond ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:57:55 on 92/08/18 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Creating a data file Ref: Append at 16:25:08 on 92/08/18 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) An example of a slightly WPS-aware word processor is DeScribe 3.0 (32 bit). It loads half a dozen templates into the TEMPLATE folder. The main problem I have with it is that there is one general DeScribe template and a number of programming language ones. In addition, there does not seem to be anyway to specify a default layout for that template, i.e. if I create a memo template that uses a memo layout there is no way for the template to specify it, I have to use the default template set within DeScribe. Michael Harper - Cdn Depository for Securities, Ltd ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:43:33 on 92/08/18 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) -- Subject: Creating a data file Ref: Append at 17:57:55 on 92/08/18 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) It is good to hear that (slightly) WPS-aware products are already shipping! Your description of the DeScribe "document objects" sounds like a simple association between a data file and an application. Otherwise, you could open the Settings view of the document and one of the pages would be "Layout". The association between data files and the application that manipulate them is the first step away from the application-oriented user interfaces of the past. I encourage you to give your suggestions to DeScribe; I know that as a developer I have always appreciated customer feedback. Dan Kehn ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 06:17:24 on 92/08/19 GMT (by IL21114 at OS2CUST) Subject: Creating a data file Ref: Append at 03:10:35 on 92/08/18 GMT (by DAVISN at HOUVMSCC) Nathan, thanks very much for the detailed description. I will try that now. Rick Rick Fishman - Avco Financial Services ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 08:23:36 on 92/08/19 GMT (by 70628676 at EHONE) Subject: *.RC files Does anyone know where I can find doc on the format of the OS2.RC entries? Th Jean-Yves Zuccarelli ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 11:42:31 on 92/08/19 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Creating a data file Ref: Append at 18:43:33 on 92/08/18 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) Dan: I will be giving DeScribe a call in the near future. I think it would be a great offering. Michael Harper - Cdn Depository for Securities, Ltd ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:19:37 on 92/08/19 GMT (by WEEKS at AUSVM2) - Subject: *.RC files Ref: Append at 08:23:36 on 92/08/19 GMT (by 70628676 at EHONE) The OS/2 2.0 Toolkit has an online .INF file that documents all of the .RC statements. The OS/2 Toolkit Technical Library (SBOF-1206) contains well over a dozen hardcopy reference manuals. I'm sure that one of them addresses the syntax of input to the Resource Compiler. Craig Weeks LAN Systems Performance (DCE) Austin, Texas ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:34:02 on 92/08/19 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: *.RC files Ref: Append at 14:19:37 on 92/08/19 GMT (by WEEKS at AUSVM2) I don't think he meant Resource Compiler files... He is rather after the format of INI*.RC files as used as input to MAKEINI - this way he could easily port desktop setups to other machines. Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/08/19 10:32 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:36:08 on 92/08/19 GMT (by ILLP024 at OS2CUST) Subject: Recreate the DRIVES icon A client I support in my company has lost or deleted their DRIVES icon from the WPS. How can I recreate the icon? Chris Carlson - Illinois Power ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:59:14 on 92/08/19 GMT (by IL30625 at OS2CUST) Subject: Moving Desktop from FAT to HPFS Can someone explain the relationship between the OS2*.INI files and the C:¢OS!2_2.0_D¢ directory and its contents? On a FAT system I can take copies (XCOPY) of the .INI files and the C:¢OS!2_2.0_D¢ and sub-directories from one machine to another quite easily, thus duplicating Desktops. With a HPFS system the Desktop directories use the long file names. Some items in this forum indicate the "desktop" is just the .INI files, what does the directory structure do? Or is it all in the "extended attributes"? Any and all responses would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Stephen E. Craft - United Health Services, Inc. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:19:27 on 92/08/19 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) -- ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 16:41:47 on 92/08/19 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) .. Subject: Recreate the DRIVES icon Ref: Append at 14:36:08 on 92/08/19 GMT (by ILLP024 at OS2CUST) <<modified to add credits>> Hmm-m, I thought Drives could not be deleted! Here's a REXX command file that prompts the user to recreate any of the system objects: /* ReCreate.CMD - restore lost desktop objects */ /* by Greg Czaja - July 29, 1992 */ /* requires July's REXX20 fixes */ Call RxFuncAdd 'SysLoadFuncs', 'RexxUtil', 'SysLoadFuncs' Call SysLoadFuncs; SysBootDrive=Filespec('Drive',Value('COMSPEC',,'OS2ENVIRONMENT')); file_name=SysBootDrive||'\OS2\INI.RC'; Say "The program will list all standard WPS objects" Say "Reply Yes if you want recreate given object" Say "Default reply is No if you press ENTER," Say "Enter End if you want to end the program:" Do While Lines(file_name) > 0; line=Linein(file_name); If line='' Then Iterate; /* skip blanks */ /* get the "create object lines */ Parse Var line '"PM_InstallObject"' line; If line='' Then Iterate; /* skip others */ Parse Var line '"'head'" 'line; /* get header */ Parse Var line '"'setup'"' .; /* get setup string */ Parse Var head title';'object';'location; Say title "- Yes/No/End ?"; Pull reply ; If Left(reply,1) = 'E' Then Leave; If Left(reply,1) <> 'Y' Then Iterate; If SysCreateObject(object,title,location,setup,'Replace') = 0 Then Say 'Error creating:' title; Else Say title 'created !'; End; rc=Stream(file_name,'C','Close'); Exit; /* Enjoy your desktop ! */ Dan Kehn ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:30:16 on 92/08/19 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 15:48:53 on 92/08/24 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: Recreate the DRIVES icon Ref: Append at 14:36:08 on 92/08/19 GMT (by ILLP024 at OS2CUST) not documented, not supported, not allowed... Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/08/19 12:29 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:04:44 on 92/08/19 GMT (by NABCA7B at OS2CUST) Subject: Missing Applications Ref: Append at 05:10:25 on 92/07/16 GMT (by SWHALEN at DETVMIC6) Running CMD.EXE as a Public Application in order to run a DOS application is an interesting idea that I hadn't thought of, but I can see where problems could occur. Why don't you give this a try: call a REXX command that creates and executes a DOS application. This is done with the SysCreateObject... /*LAUNCHWP.CMD (and a tip of the hat to Michael Lamb is on order) */ /* Launch DOS applications from the Public Applications folder */ /* Setup strings... */ classname='WPProgram' title='WordPerfect 5.1' /* (only appears briefly) */ location='<WP_NOWHERE>' /* place in invisible folder */ program='EXENAME=N:\WP.BAT;' /* DOS program name (BAT, COM or EXE)*/ type='PROGTYPE=VDM;' /* Full Screen DOS session */ startup='STARTUPDIR=H:\WPDATA;' /* startup directory (example) */ settings='SET PRINT_TIMEOUT=45;SET DOS_HIGH=1;' /* any;required;DOS;settings;*/ open='OPEN=DEFAULT;' /* Start the session NOW */ call SysCreateObject classname, title, location,, program||type||startup||settings||open, 'REPLACE' 'EXIT' This works for us AND gives us complete control of all the DOS settings. If we decide that WordPerfect works better with a different setting, we just change the REXX command file for WordPerfect. This has one drawback as far as we can tell (and maybe someone can help us with this)...when program execution returns to the LAUNCHWP.CMD file (to execute the 'EXIT' command), the DOS session gets thrown into a minimized state. It looks to the user like the DOS application never started...but it has, it just doesn't have the focus. Also: it's really easy to launch multiple copies of an application this way, which might not be ideal. The way in which we implemented the DOS applications from a LAN Server previous to finding the SysCreateObject was to build a custom DATABASE.DAT using PARSEDB and placing the file in a shared directory. Then all a user had to do was migrate their own applications and they would receive a DOS Applications folder with icons for all their DOS Applications and all the correct DOS Settings. This was a big time saver, but the REXX file is a little more fun. If anyone has a better way to implement this, I'd be happy to hear some comments. Michael Laughlin Allied-Signal Aerospace ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 05:05:32 on 92/08/20 GMT (by 70628676 at EHONE) Subject: *.RC files Ref: Append at 14:34:02 on 92/08/19 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Yes that is it. I want to create skeletons of .INI file using MAKEINI. and the *.rc file. I have not found the INI*.RC syntax in the Toolkit library. Jean-Yves ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 09:12:25 on 92/08/20 GMT (by DAWILSON at WINVMB) Subject: Describe templates (was: Creating a data file) Ref: Append at 17:57:55 on 92/08/18 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Michael, I came across the same problem with Describe but got round it by starting Describe and saving an empty file with all my "default" layout settings. I then turned this document icon into a template using Settings/General/Template and now, when I want a document with those layout settings as default, I just peel a copy off the new template. Dave Wilson, ACP Multimedia Comms, IBM Hursley, UK ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:51:10 on 92/08/20 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: *.RC files Ref: Append at 05:05:32 on 92/08/20 GMT (by 70628676 at EHONE) :classified_section. I'm working on an application which I plan to submit through the EWS program, so you all can get it. There are a few legal obstacles I've to go through but I hope you will see it in 2-4 weeks. Why am I telling this ?-) Because what I have is a program to Manage your Desktop with D E S K M A N ! This is a PM based REXX program which allows you: - create online object description files in INI*.RC format for objects you plan to install. You can export those to another machines and use DeskMan or MAKEINI to create a whole bunch of objects. If you have to install the same objects on couple of machines you will certainly appreciate this feature. - create/recreate objects based on standard or DeskMan created RC files. Did you shred your shredder ? Missing a few drives ? No problem anymore ! Of course it will quite not work if you messed up your EA's, so better run CHKDSK before trying to recreate the objects. - destroy unwanted objects on your desktop - and yes, you can remove the Desktop itself... (just kidding !-). - open any object on your Desktop in DEFAULT or SETTINGS mode. - change setup strings for existing objects. Keep your fingers crossed... :eclassified_section. Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/08/20 08:37 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 03:40:23 on 92/08/21 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE82) Subject: *.RC files Ref: Append at 12:51:10 on 92/08/20 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Gregory, Send me a copy as soon as it's done. Think I can find good use for it around my shop. Jack Hiatt Marc Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 08:19:33 on 92/08/21 GMT (by XXSGIN27 at TORVMCOP) Subject: WPS backup tip(?) Hopefully this information will be useful to cheapskates like me. You can use XCOPY to back up the WorkPlace Shell as outlined in the OS/2 documentation. For FAT systems, the procedure is straightforward: boot from a floppy, copy OS2.INI and OS2SYS.INI to floppy and use the command XCOPY OS!2_2.0_D A:\DESKTOP /E /S in order to back up the desktop directory. For HPFS systems, there's a minor snag: XCOPY doesn't agree with the long file names such as "OS!2 2.0 Desktop". However, by renaming certain desktop objects to conform to the "8.3" FAT naming standards, the documented procedure will work for HPFS as well. All renaming must take place from the WorkPlace Shell (i.e. ALT + mouse button 1). On my system, I had to rename: OS/2 2.0 Desktop (via Drives or Settings) OS/2 System Command Prompts Productivity System Setup Information Minimized Window Viewer Templates Data File PIF file.PIF You have my assurance that this back-up/restore method works as I've tested it! :-) One other use of this is to transfer desktops to other systems although I haven't tried restoring on a FAT installation. Kevin Mack Saskatchewan Government Insurance ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:19:33 on 92/08/21 GMT (by NAAG8T6 at OS2CUST) Subject: Window List (enhancement) The window list (M1+M2) is awfully plain for a graphical system...how about enhancing it to have the little icons that show up in the window upper left corners appear next to each entry in the list? Would make it a lot easier to 'seek and search' the task you want to bring to the foreground. Bruce Ferrero (Aetna) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:25:50 on 92/08/21 GMT (by TCSC086 at OS2CUST) Subject: Window List (enhancement) Ref: Append at 15:19:33 on 92/08/21 GMT (by NAAG8T6 at OS2CUST) Bruce, Nice Idea! Sounds like a straight forward container implementation. Therefore , why stop at just a Details view - how about a BETTER tree view (read standard) than the indented mechanism now used. Further, how about Shadow supported drag and drop from this container/list? Process Id availability would be nice also. Dan Lundy Time Customer Service, Inc. Tampa, Fl ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:36:44 on 92/08/21 GMT (by RICHKULP at CARVM3) Subject: WPS backup tip(?) Ref: Append at 08:19:33 on 92/08/21 GMT (by XXSGIN27 at TORVMCOP) XCOPY can copy the desktop to another HPFS disk. You enclose the name in quotes, ie. XCOPY "C:\OS!2 2.0 Desktop" ... However there is another BIG problem with XCOPY. If you copy a directory with Extended Attributes to a location that already contains the directory with EA's, the EA's WILL NOT BE COPIED! Since your desktop is extremely dependent upon those EA's, you do not have a valid desktop backup on the second backup attempt. You need to get rid of the old backup before each new backup. Rich Kulp ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 00:25:35 on 92/08/22 GMT (by XXSGIN27 at TORVMCOP) Subject: WPS backup tip(?) Ref: Append at 17:36:44 on 92/08/21 GMT (by RICHKULP at CARVM3) Yes, I was aware that XCOPY could back up the desktop on HPFS, but I'm more interested in its ability to back up to floppies! Thanks for pointing out the need to delete old target directories. Just out of curiousity, does it apply to the EA's of the subdirectories as well? Kevin Mack Saskatchewan Government Insurance ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 00:41:40 on 92/08/22 GMT (by IL11901 at OS2CUST) Subject: CommandLine 2.0 This is not an ad for CommandLine 2.0<g>!!! But if you currently have CommandLine 1.1, you're entitled to a free upgrade. Let us know, especially if you've purchased CommandLine 1.1 through a catalog, in which case we would have NO idea who you were. Call us or leave a message here, on Compuserve or on the Atlanta BBS. Thanks P.S. We're not stopping anyone from actually buying CommandLine 2.0, in case you're wondering. Also, if you've been "evaluating"<g>, now is the time to come in from the cold -- as the president said, the cold war is over, and you'll get lots of new features. Steve Dacek - Soft & GUI Inc ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:43:28 on 92/08/22 GMT (by IL05357 at OS2CUST) Subject: Two Desktop Icons I have managed to get two desktops on my HPFS, and I need to know how to delete the "bad" one. The long story: My user was messing around with the templates, and managed to loose some stuff, and change some other stuff. I tried to re-install, but it didn't fix everything, and left new duplicates of other stuff. Not wanting to reformat, I booted from the install stiffies, and deleted everything I could. Fine, for the \OS2 directory and subdirectories, but the "\OS!2 2.0 Desktop" directory was too stubborn. Since I had deleted all the good stuff, I then went through the install procedure. End result: a good new desktop in the "\OS!2 21.0 Desktop" directory, as well as the old bad one. I also had a working copy of the \OS2 directory stuff. I have tried to delete the old directory, but there is no Delete selection, and the shredder is too ecology minded to eat a desktop. I did put it in another folder, which I tried to delete. It got rid of much stuff, but left the desktop, templates, and drive icons, telling me I wasn't allowed to delete them. Is there anyway to clean up this directory without reformatting? Timothy R. Muggli, Sr Tech Analyst, Preferred Risk Insurance Group ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 23:10:54 on 92/08/22 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE83) Subject: Two Desktop Icons Ref: Append at 17:43:28 on 92/08/22 GMT (by IL05357 at OS2CUST) Tim, Try moving them to a folder and then move the folder to a diskette. Jack Hiatt Marc Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:12:01 on 92/08/24 GMT (by XXSGIN27 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Two Desktop Icons Ref: Append at 17:43:28 on 92/08/22 GMT (by IL05357 at OS2CUST) I think you can go to the command prompt and delete this "bad" desktop directory. Kevin Mack Saskatchewan Government Insurance ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:30:35 on 92/08/24 GMT (by TBHIC at OS2CUST) Subject: Two Desktop Icons Ref: Append at 17:43:28 on 92/08/22 GMT (by IL05357 at OS2CUST) Basically you need to 'move' the bad desktop icon from you C: drive to a diskette. This can be a slow process, but then you can format the diskette or whatever. I have also had luck in moving a bad copy of the desktop to a server and deleteing it there using a non-OS/2 2.0 work station (1.3 in this case). P.S. How are things back in Iowa? Been gone a couple of years and I miss it. Matt Hickman, Chevron Matt@bhice.hou130.chevron.com ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:27:43 on 92/08/25 GMT (by RICHKULP at CARVM3) Subject: WPS backup tip(?) Ref: Append at 00:25:35 on 92/08/22 GMT (by XXSGIN27 at TORVMCOP) I presume it means subdirectories also. The documentation says any directories, it isn't specific as to the top directory or any directories below it. Rich Kulp ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:04:38 on 92/08/25 GMT (by RSN at RALVM14) -- Subject: Migrate Applications Hanging When I try to run "Migrate Applications" it seems to hang (wait forever) when it is looking for applications. I eventually click on the CANCEL button and give up... The default database file exists. Richard S. Newpol ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 00:01:16 on 92/08/26 GMT (by IL74545 at OS2CUST) Subject: Two simple WPS questions I have two questions on the Workplace Shell. I have two simple questions on the Workplace Shell. 1) How do I get applications to minimize to the Minimized Window Viewer? I've made that setting in the Settings box for each application and for the Desktop Folder itself. Yet, whenever I minimize an application it does not appear in t he Minimized Window Viewer. I have to bring up the task list, or choose its sh aded icon to get back to the application. What is setup wrong on my system? 2) How come I can't get the Os/2 System Clock to start automatically at boot ti me? I've tried starting the clock, then shutting down the system. But, when I reboot the clock is no longer started. I want a clock in the corner of my scr een all the time. How do I do it? Thanks! Bob Cole - United States Auto Club - Speedway, IN ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 05:35:46 on 92/08/26 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Two simple WPS questions Ref: Append at 00:01:16 on 92/08/26 GMT (by IL74545 at OS2CUST) Simple 2:¢ 1. Open the 'OS/2 System' folder. 2. Open the'Startup' folder . ( by double clickin with Left Mouse Button' (LMB)). 3. Open the 'System Setup' Folder. 4. with RMB (Right Mouse Button) click on the System Clock. 5. Select the 'Create Shadow' from the menu. 6. select the 'Stratup' from the list box. 7. Click on the 'Create' button. 8. Close the 'system setup','starrtup' and'OS/2 system' folders. 9. Shutdown and reboot. You can find all the instructions in the 'MASTER Help Index'. Enjoy! Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 NHO-32 801-7th Ave Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2P 2N6 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:16:02 on 92/08/26 GMT (by RSN at RALVM14) -- Subject: A third simple (?) question I want to create a folder to display all the files in a subdirectory with a certain filespec ("*.doc"). I know I can do this by working down through the "Drives" object, then setting the subdirectory folder 'Include" setting to my filespec, but I don't wat to change the object under the "Drives" object, I want to create a new one. I tried setting the "Include" spec, etc., but all I did was make the new folder undeletable. On a closely related question, how do I delete an 'undeleteable' object? (The menu does not have the 'Delete...' action, and dragging to the shredder gives the circle/slash and no response... Richard S. Newpol ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:20:01 on 92/08/26 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: A third simple (?) question Ref: Append at 13:16:02 on 92/08/26 GMT (by RSN at RALVM14) Richard, Select the 'Find' from the popup menu RMB and you will se the rest. PS: It can take som time to search the whole drive. Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 NHO-32 801-7th Ave Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2P 2N6 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:31:43 on 92/08/26 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) -- Subject: A third simple (?) question Ref: Append at 13:16:02 on 92/08/26 GMT (by RSN at RALVM14) A simple but brutal approach is to move the "undeleteable" objects into a folder, open a command line, and remove the folder's directory. When the file system notifies the WPS, the object(s) magically disappear. Kinda looks funny because there is a 5-10 second delay. :-) Dan Kehn ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:04:37 on 92/08/26 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: A third simple (?) question Ref: Append at 14:31:43 on 92/08/26 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) And if you get the SYS0032: The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process. message, then reboot from the Install diskette, Esc, and repeat the delete and reboot. Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 NHO-32 801-7th Ave Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2P 2N6 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:23:36 on 92/08/26 GMT (by DAVISN at HOUVMSCC) Subject: A third simple (?) question Ref: Append at 13:16:02 on 92/08/26 GMT (by RSN at RALVM14) It sounds like you want a folder equivalent of a program reference object. Currently there isn't one. If you just want to be able to get to the folder quickly without opening the drives object, you can create a shadow of the folder on the desktop. One way to "delete" an undeleteable object is to move it to \Nowhere. If the object is a folder, you can use RMDIR from a command prompt. Nathan Davis ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:01:55 on 92/08/27 GMT (by RSN at RALVM14) -- Subject: A third simple (?) question Ref: Append at 19:23:36 on 92/08/26 GMT (by DAVISN at HOUVMSCC) Thanks for the suggestions. I wonder what you meant by "move it to /nowhere". I know about the NOWHERE subdirectory, but how do you move a non-folder (non-subdirectory) object there? Is NOWHERE a subdirectory for corrupted stuff? Also, if the DRIVES subdirectory object is shadowed, then the Title and the filespec are also identical (change one, changes the other). I saw related appends on this earlier in the forum, but just for completeness, is there any way around this? I would like a folder that stays up-to-date on all the files like (for example) 'd:\foo\*.doc'. The DRIVES subdir folders do this nicely, but it can't be done (?) without a drive shadow? Seems like a future enhancement requirement... Richard S. Newpol ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:04:12 on 92/08/28 GMT (by N005516 at OS2CUST) Subject: Trying to run LOGOFF.EXE from OS/2-Desktop Primary Pop-up Menu I am attempting to run LOGOFF.EXE from my OS/2 - Desktop, Primary Pop-up Menu but everytime I try to execute LOGOFF from the menu, I receive the following error: UPM0004C: The program failed to start. The exit code returned from the program is:15 Any ideas on how to correct this problem? Thanks! Jeff T. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:49:51 on 92/08/28 GMT (by MATT at FSHVMFK1) Subject:Real bad hang: is there something I can do about it? I did the following: 1. opened a folder (call it projects) 2. Selected a file and it was loaded into my editor (eos2) -- all good so far. 3. After making a couple of changes in the file, saved it but did not leave the editor. 4. Went back to the projects folder and selected the same file. 5. pulled up the context menu for that file. 6. ***Now the problem*** From the open submenu, I selected to run a batch program against the file which would simply almcopy it to a temp file on the host so I could script it. OS/2 hung! Nothing but Ctrl-Alt-Delete would cure the problem. What I find very interesting is that If I load the same file into EOS2 by calling up the editor and then pulling the file into the editor from within the editor, I can edit the file; and, while the file is still in the editor, from the projects folder, I can upload the file for scripting on the host. So, I can do what I want, but not the way I want to. ***How come OS/2 locks up so bad when I do this? Is this a bug? *** Is there a setting I can change to prevent this? Matt King ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:26:34 on 92/08/28 GMT (by MDCP001 at OS2CUST) Subject: Restoring size of the WPS clock window I've turned off the title bar on my OS/2 WPS system clock, and maximized the window. I don't remember exactly what steps I used to accomplish this. The result is that whenever I open the system clock, it occupies the entire screen. There is no title bar, border or buttons. When I use the right mouse button, the object menu appears, and I can get to the settings as normal. However, there are no options to resize the window. The only way I've found to remove the clock from the screen is to close it from the window list. The question is, how can I get the clock back into a normal window with a title bar, buttons and a border? Dan Vondra ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:38:21 on 92/08/28 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) -- Subject: Trying to run LOGOFF.EXE from OS/2-Desktop Primary Pop-up Menu Ref: Append at 12:04:12 on 92/08/28 GMT (by N005516 at OS2CUST) An OS/2 return code of 15 = invalid drive specified. I assume you are using LOGOFF.EXE that comes with the OS/2 LAN. LOGOFF.EXE requires no parameters, but by default a program invoked via a menu item is passed the folder's file name (eg, "C:\DESKTOP"). LOGOFF.EXE will gag on the extra parameter. You can associate a program reference with a menu item, and specify % in the Parameters field to ignore the file name. Begin by creating a program reference for LOGOFF.EXE by dragging a Program instance from the Templates folder. Modify its settings to point to your EXE (C:\MUGLIB\LOGOFF.EXE), and modify the Parameters field (%). Then go to the Menu page of the Desktop, select "Primary pop-up menu", and then the second "Create another..." button. Select "Find program..." (*), then select the program reference you created. The menu item will now "open" the program reference when it is selected, just as if you had double-clicked it. Dan Kehn (*) Use the "Locate..." button and "Search just this folder" to speed up "Find...". ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:23:50 on 92/08/28 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) -- Subject: Restoring size of the WPS clock window Ref: Append at 13:26:34 on 92/08/28 GMT (by MDCP001 at OS2CUST) Neat trick, but I think you can undo it by bringing up the Settings view (*), selecting "Show title bar", then changing to the System Clock and pressing Alt+space bar to bring up the system menu. Select "Restore". Dan Kehn (*) You may have to do this from the icon, ie, the one in System Setup. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:11:07 on 92/08/28 GMT (by N005516 at OS2CUST) Subject: Trying to run LOGOFF.EXE from OS/2-Desktop Primary Pop-up Menu Ref: Append at 13:38:21 on 92/08/28 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) -- I gave this a try and everything worked perfectly! Thanks for your help. Jeff T. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:47:43 on 92/08/28 GMT (by DAVISN at HOUVMSCC) Subject: A third simple (?) question Ref: Append at 12:01:55 on 92/08/27 GMT (by RSN at RALVM14) My (limited) understanding is that the NOWHERE directory is used to hold temporary stuff and is cleaned out when you reboot (or shutdown?). Hopefully, the object's icon will have a Move option. If not, I am not sure how you would move it. A shadow will always mirror the original. It is possible to have a title (used by the Desktop) that is different from the physical name. One way to do this is to write a REXX exec to set the .LONGNAME extended attribute to the title you want to see on the desktop. Another (that does work) is to change the object's title from the Desktop then open a command window and use RENAME to change it back to the desired physical name. The desktop name and disk names will now be different. I also hope that this is on the list for future enhancements. Nathan Davis ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 22:54:39 on 92/08/29 GMT (by TCSC086 at OS2CUST) Subject: Window list Letters As I stride into OS/2 2.0 and boldy run MANY apps simultaneously....I have noted these unusual letters appending themselves to the end of APP names displayed in the desktop window list. Typically, command line sessions, netware, etc. MOST often it is the letter P. It looks like: OS/2 Window - P or Netware Tools - P P is most common but I have seen the occasional X (Q has shown up Twice) Have I missed something in the documentation? I have reported a problem that might be related in the Editor (EPM) forum. Has anyone else seen this. The problem is so bizarre that I am trying to discover if it is just my system that is under attack from these two alphabetic attachments! I realize it is hard to take this seriously when it sounds like a Lewis Carroll nightmare - but it IS happening. In earnest humor, Dan Lundy Time Customer Service, Inc. Tampa, Fl ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:22:29 on 92/08/31 GMT (by XXBCTE25 at TORVMCOP) Subject: WPS Performance Does anyone know if there are any WPS performance improvments in the next update? Cetain actions (eg. closing a full screen icon) results in considerable message passing to complete the action. As an example, the following action results in no less than 83 WM_ messages sent to the icon before completion: 1. Click right button on minimized full screen icon. 2. Click on close. 3. Click on yes to confirm. The icon flickers several times prior to finally closing. Many of these messages are repeated numerous times and in repeated groups. Is anything being done to minimize/optimize excessive message handling in the WPS? It's obvious how responsive the system would be if even the more common actions could be made more efficient! Claude Biron ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:21:28 on 92/08/31 GMT (by BCHI052 at OS2CUST) Subject: Protect access to icons I'd like my users to only have access to icons that they are supposed to use. It would be nice to somehow protect icons from being opened (like prompting for a password before opening). I want them to have access to only applications they use and have administrative application and utilities protected. I've gotten around this by placing all icons for administrative use in a folder icon. This folder has blanks in the name and uses a blank (screen background color) icon. I've placed the icon in one corner of the screen (hopefully where the won't be clicking). So now there is an invisible icon (which I won't tell them about). This seems like a hokey solution. Is there another way of accomplishing this? Gerald Sasaoka - Hawaii Medical Service Association ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:44:37 on 92/08/31 GMT (by TD02091 at OS2CUST) Subject: Workplace shell appearance file I'm teaching a Workplace shell user introduction class for about 100 people on 5 different machines, each person getting hands on training. To do this I have to be able to reset the workplace shell appearance to the way it looks 'out of the box' each time a new user gets trained. In order to reset the appearance I think that the OS2.ini and OS2SYS.INI files need to be saved after installati on, are there any other files that affect the Desktop? ADGapc ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 22:52:58 on 92/08/31 GMT (by RICHKULP at CARVM3) Subject: Protect access to icons Ref: Append at 19:21:28 on 92/08/31 GMT (by BCHI052 at OS2CUST) See the following reference. It's about a service offering just what you are asking: Ref: OS2MISC CFORUM at 14:09:54 on 92/07/21 GMT (by TARNOLD at CLTVM1) Rich Kulp ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 00:05:28 on 92/09/01 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE81) Subject: Workplace shell appearance file Ref: Append at 20:44:37 on 92/08/31 GMT (by TD02091 at OS2CUST) The function is already available to rebuild everything to post installation. The .ini files are saved in the \install subdirectory and can be restored to by simply follow the instructions in the readme file. o If you start the operating system and you do not see some of the system icons (such as OS/2 System or Shredder), there is a function that will allow you to reset the desktop to its default configuration. WARNING: USING THIS FUNCTION WILL REMOVE ANY DESKTOP CUSTOMIZATION YOU HAVE DONE SINCE YOU INSTALLED THE OPERATING SYSTEM. To perform this function, do the following: 1. Restart the computer. 2. Before the first OS/2 Logo panel appears, hold down Alt+F1 for 20 seconds. When the operating system was installed, certain system files (CONFIG.SYS, OS2.INI, and OS2SYS.INI) were placed in the \OS2\INSTALL subdirectory. When you perform the recovery function described above, the current versions of those files are automatically renamed and are replaced by the default installation versions. If you have a STARTUP.CMD file, that file is also renamed, causing the startup feature to be deactivated. Jack Hiatt Marc Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 02:56:55 on 92/09/01 GMT (by NAAG8T6 at OS2CUST) Subject: Window list Letters Ref: Append at 22:54:39 on 92/08/29 GMT (by TCSC086 at OS2CUST) I sometimes get 'Q' appended at the end. I also run the Netware Requester. But I don't see this often and don't know how/why it happens. I recall seeing even stranger stuff out there at least once. Has the smell of improperly initialized or re-initialized data. Bruce Ferrero @ Aetna, Middletown, CT ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 03:16:02 on 92/09/01 GMT (by IL05357 at OS2CUST) Subject: Two Desktop Icons Ref: Append at 18:30:35 on 92/08/24 GMT (by TBHIC at OS2CUST) Thanks for your comments. The problem occured on the desktop of another worker in our Information Center. He was on vacation, and I was trying to fix his machine, which I had "fixed" with the extra desktop. He decided he liked OS/2 2.0, but still wanted to be able to use Norton Utilities on his disk in case of problems. I went on vacation the next week, before I had a chance to find your answers. He came back, and backed up data and apps, then reinstalled on a disk with the FAT. (He also did a low level format to completely exterminate the HPFS!). In any case, the problem went away. I had tried to move the desktop to a floppy, but it wouldn't move. I don't think I tried moving a folder containing the desktop. Iowa is great. I came here after growing up in Chicago, so the weather is identical, but you can drive across town here in 20mins--wonderful! We have relatively honest politicians, and smart, friendly people. People who have never lived here don't know what they are missing, and people who have never lived anywhere else don't appreciate it. Mostly, I try to keep it a secret... Why ruin a good thing?........trm Timothy R. Muggli, Sr Tech Analyst, Preferred Risk Group ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:27:59 on 92/09/01 GMT (by TCSC086 at OS2CUST) Subject: Window list Letters Ref: Append at 02:56:55 on 92/09/01 GMT (by NAAG8T6 at OS2CUST) Bruce, Ahh. The dreaded Q! While more rare, it does make a nest in my window list from time to time. Uninitialize or BADLY initialized must be the cause. Thanks for confirming! I may still be crazy, but it seems I am in good company!<G!> Dan Lundy Time Customer Service, Inc. Tampa, Fl ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:38:56 on 92/09/02 GMT (by KEHLD at OS2CUST) Subject: Broken-Connection Icons Revisited Again I have been reviewing this forum and noticed the discussion on the Broken Connection Icon. I have a new twist to this. I am RIPLing OS/2 2.0 Base and Extended Services. My "broken connection icon" shows up in the lower left hand corner of my desktop with the title "Shadow". It appears to be a shadow of another object since the text is in gray. Any one have any ideas as to what this might represent? When I open the Settings Notebook, I only receive the Window and General tabs. DIANE KEHL Missouri State Highway Patrol ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:38:15 on 92/09/02 GMT (by MDCP001 at OS2CUST) Subject: Restoring size of the WPS clock window Ref: Append at 15:23:50 on 92/08/28 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) -- Thanks. Figured out another way. I pressed alt-F8 to resize the window, giving back the boders, and went from there. Dan Vondra, Mead Corporation, Dayton OH ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:51:41 on 92/09/03 GMT (by WOODARDC at FSHVMX) Subject: Broken-Connection Icons Revisited Again Ref: Append at 18:38:56 on 92/09/02 GMT (by KEHLD at OS2CUST) Diane, Do you have any idea what the shadow was? What about other installs that you have done? Lower left corner could be the templates folder or the printer object. I am not sure what it could be, but on my desktop it is the template folder. Right now that association is broken and that is why you see the funny icon. I would delete it for it is no good to you at this time. There are some REXX routines that will recreate abstract references, but I don't have the files available to reproduce for you. If you have just installed, you may have to try again, using RIPL this should not be too painfull. Maybe someone else here can help a little more.....;-) Good luck Chuck @ FSHVMX ***Team OS/2 E.F.*** ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:42:05 on 92/09/03 GMT (by WRL0001 at OS2CUST) Subject: Indestructible Icons One of my colleagues has copied a template to the desktop and cannot remove it. I am fairly sure that we have created ANOTHER instance of a program template here and that is the reason that we cannot delete it. Can anybody out there give us a clue? Buzz Cruise - Western Reserve Life ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:14:41 on 92/09/03 GMT (by XXTCAN01 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Broken connections and missing folders. I don't know if I should report this here or in the OS2CM cforum. I had my desktop the way I wanted it.(I had moved the ES & UPM folders inside the CM folder. I had a shadow of ES refrence in my info folder) Anyway I was playing with a Token ring connection and did a REINST. Result was I have lost ES & UPM folders and broke the connection to the ES reference in my INFO folder. I just shredded the broken connection but how do I get back my lost folders(re-install ES???) Thanks Bob Turner Transport Canada ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:59:50 on 92/09/03 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Indestructible Icons Ref: Append at 18:42:05 on 92/09/03 GMT (by WRL0001 at OS2CUST) Delete them from the commandline or move those objects to the 'Nowhere' folder. Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 NHO-32 801-7th Ave Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2P 2N6 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 08:38:59 on 92/09/04 GMT (by 86609648 at WARVM2) Subject: Indestructible Icons Ref: Append at 18:42:05 on 92/09/03 GMT (by WRL0001 at OS2CUST) There is another trick which usually works: Drag out a folder from the templates folder, place the 'undeletable' object in it, shred the new folder. That has worked several times for me in the past. Also try deleting the directory entry (rd or other tool from DOS) which references the 'undeletable'. Cheers, Chris Buckmaster -- Project Management Specialist -- PMSC Ave3, Northern Rd, Cosham, Portsmouth, UK ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:21:02 on 92/09/04 GMT (by JKW9590 at OS2CUST) Subject: Indestructible Icons Ref: Append at 08:38:59 on 92/09/04 GMT (by 86609648 at WARVM2) If you are interested in rebuilding the original objects as defined in the OS2.INI file, checkout the REBUILD.CMD file that is listed in Mike Lamb's SysCreateObject document in the REXX section of these forums. This will reinstate lost system objects without destroying existing customizations or removing new objects you have added. Kevin Wilson, Duke Power Company (704) 382-9755 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:28:39 on 92/09/04 GMT (by JKW9590 at OS2CUST) Subject: Indestructible Icons Ref: Append at 08:38:59 on 92/09/04 GMT (by 86609648 at WARVM2) FYI - in our training room, we first establish the desktop for the machines as we want it (positioning, fonts, colors, flowed, non-flowed, etc.) and then boot from the diskettes and copy the 2 INIs and CONFIG to the OS2¢INSTALL directory. We also use the SET RESTARTOBJECTS=STARTUPFOLDERSONLY option in CONFIG to ensure than windows open at shutdown do not reopen on startup. When the system is back up from the fixed disk, we copy the backed up files from OS2¢install to diskette and move to other machines OS2¢install directory (CONFIG also goes to root) and then do the ALT/F1 thing to get the customizations applied to them. Hope to get the WPSBK2 utility soon I've been hearing so much about... Kevin Wilson, Duke Power Company (704) 382-9755 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:56:22 on 92/09/04 GMT (by IL04688 at OS2CUST) Subject: Save and Restore WPS As we move more and more workstations to OS/2 2.0, although the users have all been well pleased with the product, we have had to do a number of reinstalls, especially among our development staff. It is my hope that the service pack will contain a tool to enable us to backup and restore the workplace shell so that our users don't lose their custom desktop during a reinstall as is now the case. This, along with corruption of extended attributes on FAT systems, seems to be one of the weakest areas of an otherwise terrific product. Please commit the resources to change that around. Leo Tornow ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:57:28 on 92/09/04 GMT (by NAAO3IY at OS2CUST) Subject: Broken connections and missing folders. Ref: Append at 20:14:41 on 92/09/03 GMT (by XXTCAN01 at TORVMCOP) Destroy the CM folder completely and then do a REINST. That seems to bring it all back for me. John Kennedy -- Hoechst Celanese, Bridgewater, NJ ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 22:42:08 on 92/09/04 GMT (by BAKER at YKTVMV) - Subject: How to shutdown without mouse I've tried to do a shutdown using only the keyboard and can't get it to work. Don't like Ctrl-Alt-Delete alternative. I find if I make the WPS the focal point by clicking the left mouse button on the WPS background, do an Alt-uparrow, then Shift-F10, I get the pop-up with the Shutdown option. However, once one of the icons is the focal point (surrounded by gray), this sequence is the same as Shift-F10 and gets me the pop-up for that icon. How do I get to the WPS itself and not an icon usinging only the keyboard? Thanks, John ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 22:54:59 on 92/09/04 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: How to shutdown without mouse Ref: Append at 22:42:08 on 92/09/04 GMT (by BAKER at YKTVMV) You can change this focus with the SPACE bar . (so Easy when you knew how to do it<g>) Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 NHO-32 801-7th Ave Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2P 2N6 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 23:02:06 on 92/09/04 GMT (by TCSC086 at OS2CUST) Subject: How to shutdown without mouse Ref: Append at 22:42:08 on 92/09/04 GMT (by BAKER at YKTVMV) - John, In that situation I use the Window Switch list (from Ctl-Esc) and select some OPEN window. Then, bring up the switch list again and select the desktop. Shift-F10 should work for the desktop at that point. I realize this is not a pure solution. I routinely use it when I do not want to lift my fingers from the keys. Dan Lundy Time Customer Service, Inc. Tampa, Fl ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 03:23:53 on 92/09/05 GMT (by TKAL at PKEDVM9) - Subject: How to shutdown without mouse Ref: Append at 22:42:08 on 92/09/04 GMT (by BAKER at YKTVMV) Ok, the final solution! :-) The guaranteed way to shutdown without a mouse, no matter where you are, or what you have selected: 1) Ctrl-Esc -- this gives the Window List the focus 2) Alt-Shift-Tab -- gives the Desktop the focus (only works if the Desktop didn't already have focus, hence step 1) 3) Ctrl-\ -- Ctrl-backslash deselects any previously selected objects on the desktop 4) Shift-F10 -- brings up the Desktop popup menu 5) d -- selects ShutDown (feel free to replace with "l" for the Lockup option) -- Erik Tkal -- HSM System and Service Consoles -- TEAMOS2 -- ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:34:24 on 92/09/05 GMT (by TCSC086 at OS2CUST) Subject: How to shutdown without mouse Ref: Append at 03:23:53 on 92/09/05 GMT (by TKAL at PKEDVM9) - Erik, WHEW! A shutdown routine of Brobdinagian proportions. I completely forgot Ctl backslash (very useful!). This need should be thrown into the hopper of WindowList enhancements (a button or something). When faced with the various finger twisters we have all suggested, I can understand the user's temptation to just Ctl-Alt-Del!<G> Dan Lundy Time Customer Service, Inc. Tampa, Fl ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:37:43 on 92/09/08 GMT (by KEHLD at OS2CUST) Subject: Empty Drives Folder I am RIPL'ing OS/2 2.0 base and Extended Services. When I open my Drives folder, it is empty. "Refresh" from the system pull-down menu doesn't help. I can't see an icon for drive A or any of my NET USEd drives either. Any suggestions???? DIANE KEHL Missouri State Highway Patrol ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:42:23 on 92/09/09 GMT (by HAMMOND at RCHVMV) Subject: Indestructible Icons Ref: Append at 18:42:05 on 92/09/03 GMT (by WRL0001 at OS2CUST) If it really is a second instance of a Program Template, try truning off the TEMPLATE check on the GENERAL page of the settings. Then try to delete it. If this doesn't work, use button 2, select MOVE, select paths, and enter: C:\nowhere Pat Hammond ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:46:43 on 92/09/09 GMT (by SUPDOAR at DFWVM04) Subject: Windows .ICO files Ref: None Can anyone tell me if there are any programs to convert Windows .ICO files to OS/2's .ICO format? I really don't want to have to redraw the icons in question. Jeff Doar in sunny Dallas, TX ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 00:29:19 on 92/09/10 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE84) Subject: Windows .ICO files Ref: Append at 21:46:43 on 92/09/09 GMT (by SUPDOAR at DFWVM04) Jeff, The is at least 1 and probably more than that now shareware programs for .ico conversion. I know the OS/2 Shareware BBS in Va. 703-385-4325 has one called something like ICOCVT. Jack Hiatt Marc Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 01:00:18 on 92/09/10 GMT (by TAYLORJA at BCRVMPC1) Subject: Empty Drives Folder Ref: Append at 20:37:43 on 92/09/08 GMT (by KEHLD at OS2CUST) You may somehow have your drives filtered. Do you have an A: drive shadow icon on your desktop? Open settings on your drives folder to the include page. Name should be * Type should have Object selected Go to the bottom of the page and select the arrow to turn the page You should now be looking at a page for File System Criteria. They should be set at Flags less than --H-. Also, try selecting an object on your desktop, and then copy from the popup menu. Turn to the drives page in the Copy dialog. Do your drives show up there? Next, go to the related page. What shows up at the level above your desktop? James ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 02:04:53 on 92/09/10 GMT (by RNICHOLS at SYDVM1) Subject: Installation Package I am currently working on a project that involves producing a cooperative processing application between a PS/2 running OS/2 V2.0 and an AS/400. The PS/2 application will be required to be installed at a number of remote sites and as such I would like to write an installation package to do this. The package will primarily need to perform the following tasks: - Create directories - Copy files - Update CONFIG.SYS - Create workplace shell object for the application - Create database manager definitions - Create communications manager network definitions I would like to use REXX to write this package and am also prepared to use C if required. The package does not need to provide a GUI as a text interface is sufficient. It is also assumed that OS/2 V2.0 and Extended Services have been installed correctly. Does anyone have any experience in writing installation packages and if so would they be prepared to share the code as I would like to produce this package as quickly as possible. Information on how to interface with communications manager in particular would be greatly appreciated. Are there API's to install network definitions or do I interact directly with .CFG and .NDF files from my REXX program. If commuinications manager configuration proves to be too difficult then it will have to be done manually. Thanks in advance. Richard Nicholson SYDVM1(RNICHOLS) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:30:31 on 92/09/10 GMT (by BRETT at RALVM5) - Subject: Installation Package Ref: Append at 02:04:53 on 92/09/10 GMT (by RNICHOLS at SYDVM1) I believe you can use REXX to do everything you want, including adding Workplace Shell objects. You can modify the Extended Services configuration files using Programmable Configuration, which I believe is documented in the system administrator's guide for ES 1.0. You may also want to look at the recently-released CID (Configuration, Installation, and Distribution) for ES 1.0, which allows remote installation and configuration of Extended Services. Let me know if you have any specific questions. Brett King, IBM Raleigh ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:54:03 on 92/09/10 GMT (by KEHLD at OS2CUST) Subject: Empty Drives Folder Ref: Append at 01:00:18 on 92/09/10 GMT (by TAYLORJA at BCRVMPC1) James, Thanks for the information..... 1) I do not have an A: drive shadow. 2) Drives Folder settings as follows: Name = * Type = Object Flags = less than --H- 3) Tried to copy an object from the desktop----No drives 4) Selected "Related" from Copy and Drive C appears as a folder above the desktop. Still nothing in Drives Folder. What do I try next??? DIANE KEHL Missouri State Highway Patrol ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:23:36 on 92/09/10 GMT (by 84822071 at EHONE) Subject: Arranging ICONS permanently Ref: Append at 18:34:40 on 92/05/01 GMT (by MFMARTIN at ATLVMIC1) In the referenced append Fred Martin asked how to keep your ICONS permanently in the same place. I'd like to do that do, sort of saving the WPS appearance once and then keeping that, no matter how messed up my screen should be after a day's work. The Desktop Save button in 1.3 did just that. Can it still be done with the WPS? Rolf Egli ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:39:29 on 92/09/10 GMT (by WZ00537 at OS2CUST) Subject: *.RC files Ref: Append at 12:51:10 on 92/08/20 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) I am wrting a book on OS/2, "The OS/2 2.0 Handbook" to be published by Van Nostrand Reinhold in November. I would like to get an evaluation copy of your product if at all possible. Bill Zack Bill Zack ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:41:01 on 92/09/10 GMT (by BURNS at AUSVM1) - Subject: Shutdown & Lockup disappearing from the Desktop I have seen this symptom referenced in here several times, but I never have seen an answer. Following the instructions in the "Using OS/2" manual, I copied the desktop directory and my OS2.INI and OS2SYS.INI from my system at work onto diskette. Then I booted my machine at home from diskette and copied those files onto my system at home. Now the desktop comes up fine, but when I click the right mouse button on the desktop, I do not get the choices for Shutdown or Lockup. Since I have been told many many times to ALWAYS shutdown my system before turning it off, this makes me a little nervous. How can I fix this? Thanks for any help. Nancy Burns ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 02:38:06 on 92/09/11 GMT (by RFITCH at ATLVMIC1) Subject: Lost DeskTop Objects It's funny how DeskTop objects seem to vanish. Users call me and say, "My Shredder's gone", "What happened to my Minimized Window Viewer"? Well, I was wondering if a Desktop object leaves for destinations unknown.... is there anyway to return said object without rebuilding the entire DeskTop? Many Thanks Randy Fitch ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 04:34:35 on 92/09/11 GMT (by TAYLORJA at BCRVMPC1) Subject: Shutdown & Lockup disappearing from the Desktop Ref: Append at 16:41:01 on 92/09/10 GMT (by BURNS at AUSVM1) This problem occurs when the Workplace shell instantiates your desktop folder as an object of class WPFolder rather than of class WPDesktop. Usually, it means you have lost some EAs on the subdirectory. How did you copy the desktop directory to diskette? Was your desktop at work on an HPFS partition? What kind of partition do you have at home? Also, how many bytes of extended attributes do you show on your desktop subdirectory? Also, please run CHKDSK on your drive at home. Sorry for all the questions, but hope I can help some. James ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:34:32 on 92/09/11 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: Shutdown & Lockup disappearing from the Desktop Ref: Append at 16:41:01 on 92/09/10 GMT (by BURNS at AUSVM1) You may want to try following approach - which is not guaranteed but seems to work most of the cases: - open Drives, - open disk you have your Desktop on, - Right Mouse Button on Desktop icon will bring you up a menu, Shutdown should be there... The problem you are experiencing is caused by a mismatch between the information kept about objects (folders) in OS2.INI file and extended attributes for directories representing folders... You didn't move extended attributes when you copied the INI files, did you ?-) Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/09/11 08:30 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:15:59 on 92/09/11 GMT (by BURNS at AUSVM2) - Subject: Shutdown & Lockup disappearing from the Desktop Ref: Append at 12:34:32 on 92/09/11 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Thanks for the help. I'll try that and see if it works. By the way, how do you move extended attributes? I did a "copy". I guess that doesn't do it. What should I have done? Nancy Burns ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:58:36 on 92/09/11 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 14:59:16 on 92/09/11 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: Shutdown & Lockup disappearing from the Desktop Ref: Append at 13:15:59 on 92/09/11 GMT (by BURNS at AUSVM2) You need to use XCOPY with /S /E /F, btw. since you have to copy the desktop structure sans EA's, | it can't be done directly to a diskette if the desktop is on a HPFS | partition - a diskette doesn't support long file names. The easiest work around is to BACKUP the directory tree (/S) to a diskette and RESTORE (/S) it. Hope it helps.... Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/09/11 09:55 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:22:20 on 92/09/11 GMT (by RICHKULP at CARVM3) Subject: Shutdown & Lockup disappearing from the Desktop Ref: Append at 13:58:36 on 92/09/11 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) As long as you do copies to/from the diskette under OS/2, not DOS, EA's are supported on diskettes. Rich Kulp ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:23:37 on 92/09/11 GMT (by XXTCAN06 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Setting menu on floppy drive objects. I've added some menu options to the DRIVE A object but found that they were not reflected in the pop-up menu! Why would that be? Are temporary WPS objects not allowed to get any menu changes (as opposed to permanent WPS objects)? Thanks. Pierre Legault Transport Canada 1-613-993-7149 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:48:39 on 92/09/11 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: *.RC files Ref: Append at 16:39:29 on 92/09/10 GMT (by WZ00537 at OS2CUST) Well, I think we could work something out... How do I contact you ? I can be reached at (606) 243-3311. My tool (if & when finished :-), will allow you (in addition to the functions mentioned in my previous append) to transform your current desktop setup into control statements sequence accepted either by MAKEINI or DeskMan. Cannot comment on availability yet... Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/09/11 10:42 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:56:58 on 92/09/11 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: Shutdown & Lockup disappearing from the Desktop Ref: Append at 14:22:20 on 92/09/11 GMT (by RICHKULP at CARVM3) Yep,... you are right ! I remembered XCOPY having problems with that some time in the betas. However, what I really meant to say is that XCOPYing of the desktop structure if the desktop is on a HPFS partition directly to a diskette is not possible. Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/09/11 10:52 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:09:04 on 92/09/11 GMT (by IL42384 at OS2CUST) Subject: Resolution - Sucess (Stalling & Poor Performance) The IBM OS/2 Development Team has made great strides forward in resolving many of the difficulties and bugs in OS/2 2.0. When OS/2 2.0 GA was first released, many of us experienced problems with poor performance, stalling, memory errors, hardware incompatibilities, defective applets, Work Place bugs, and many other problems. In my own case, my PS/2 80-041 with an SCSI adapter, SCSI drive, and third party memory adapter, would stall when launching an application, would have a long delay opening and closing folders, took an inordinate amount of time to install and other problems. Thanks to the OS/2 Development Team, in particular I want to thank Mr. Lai Le, these problems have been found, analyzed and best of all solutions "FIXES" found. The problem of stalling and various memory and hardware errors has been resloved. There is a new SCSI driver that corrects these and many other problems. With the driver installed on my system, OS/2 no longer stalls or hangs when launching an application. A new Kernel is currently being tested and will soon be released in the next CSD or Service Pack. As for the problem with large partitions, this problem is currently being resolved and a fix is forth coming. I, like the rest of you have waited a long time for a product as powerful and flexible as OS/2 2.0. Let's not lose sight of how complex an operating system it is. I can honestly say that the OS/2 team is hard at work trying to resolve as many problems as possible. Some of the trouble lies in the way problem reports "PMRs" get filtered down to the development team. They don't always know how serious or how many of us are having problems. In some cases, we feel as if the problems with OS/2 are isolated to just our system when in fact the problems have global implications. Keep on reporting problems to IBM. Don't give up. If you feel that your not getting any satisfaction try getting others with the same problems to report them as a group. Don't let them say that your problem is not serious or that your the only one with the problem. If it interferes with the operation of the system then it is a serious problem. I know how we all can't wait for the fixes for OS/2, what ever IBM calls them. But let's not make a situation where by IBM is placed in a position where it is forced to release a premature fix. A month more or less, won't change things much but an incomplete or defective fix could doom OS/2 forever. We need a general fix that corrects problems with hardware, I/O devices (CD ROM, Sound boards), applets, backup, LAN, Work Place protection and so on. To be a stable product is not good enough. OS/2 2.0 and all its parts must work and work well together. How can developers, of other OS/2 programs, release them if the main product isn't ready. I've been told that the IBM Development Team will be posting the new set of fixes on the OS2BBS shortly. Thanks to all of you on the OS2BBS for your support. I'd also want to thank all those at IBM who helped, guided and assisted me. The future is OS/2 ...... Go IBM..... Jerry Sitbon (718) 357-4369 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:51:35 on 92/09/11 GMT (by IL21453 at OS2CUST) Subject: Drag and Drop Files to Copy Question regarding Drag and Drop to copy files: I am running the GA release of OS/2 2.0, with no CSDs loaded. I am also running the Novell Requestor Ver. A. I did not work much with Drag and Drop to copy files at first. However, lately I have noticed that the system drags to a halt when I try to drag and drop a file from a local drive to the network (or vice-versa). One time when I dropped a file to a network folder, OS/2 created 3,678 copies of the file, all with 0K bytes. Needless to say, I have been dropping out to an OS/2 (or DOS) prompt to copy files back and forth. Have I done something dumb to the system? P.S. Is there a guide to the Config.sys settings and parameters anywhere? Paul LaGrone, Aegon USA ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:02:23 on 92/09/11 GMT (by XXCAIL12 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Desktop pointing to Wrong Subdirectory A colleague is having a desktop problem on his system. While he was on vacation, some other people were using his machine and he came back to find his desktop empty. On further investigation, we found that the Desktop Settings was pointing to a DESKTOP subdirectory instead of the normal OS!2_2.0_D subdirectory. The normal sibdir is still on the disk and still contains all of his folders while the DESKTOP subdir is empty. Is there a way to get WPS to point to the proper subdir? Barry Thomas Canadian Airlines Vancouver, B.C. Canada (604) 279-6367 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 02:56:25 on 92/09/12 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE86) Subject: Persistent Apps I spend quite a bit of time on the NSC BBS here in Atlanta, and have run across a really persistent set of applications. They don't want to disappear. The Alt-ctrl-f1 approach has been tried, the SET STARTUPOBJECTS has been placed in config.sys. Following is a copy of latest append from a NSC BBS user who has a couple of us befuddled. Can anyone here give us a suggestion. ********************* Begin NSC Post *********************** Thanks for the reply. Actually I have already tried your suggestions, but tried them again just in case. No success. Let me try to do a better job of explaining the problem. All was fine until I recently switched from a Tseng based video card to a Trident based card. I installed Trident drivers unsuccessfully, and then followed their instructions to reinstall OS2 with the Trident card in the computer. This got me working drivers, but now have the following behavior: On any OS2 bootup, two objects appear in the lower left of the screen. This happens just after the white background appears. They seem to be tasks which have been minimized to the desktop. After some 30 seconds, the normal desktop folders show up. At this point, the tasklist shows: Data Update Clipboard Desktop If I have a 0 byte STARTUP.CMD file, then the task startup is in the task List between Data Update and Clipboard. If I close Data Update and clipboard, all is well. If I switch to either of these tasks, the computer shows a blinking cursor on a light background and it is not responsive. I found last night that renaming the CLIPOS2 and PMDDE executables and updating the Productivity folder to point to the new names fixes the problem: the apps don't start on bootup but will start from the Productivity folder. So there is a satisfactory workaround but would like to know what is trying to launch these two apps. BTW, using very simplified CONFIG.SYS (doesn't even set up MDOS) does not launch the apps. My attempts at trying to find possibly offending lines in CONFIG.SYS all ended in crashes--its a pretty complicated file and so far I haven't found much in the way of docs. Also, using the original INI files did not help. After rereading the above, I should have stated clearly that the problem happens after a normal shutdown with a tasklist containing only desktop. thanks for any thoughts. ********************* End NSC Post Jack Hiatt Marc Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:24:05 on 92/09/12 GMT (by IL22993 at OS2CUST) Subject: Lost DeskTop Objects Ref: Append at 02:38:06 on 92/09/11 GMT (by RFITCH at ATLVMIC1) I don't remember which forum it was in, but there is a REXX program floating around that will recreate selected WPS objects. It parses through the .RC files that are the source for the .INI files and prompts the user for each object it finds as to whether or not it should recreate it. It requires the REXX fixes from this BBS in order for the utility functions to all work correctly. I am sorry that I can't remember where I found the program, but it is posted in the text of a message somewhere as I recall. (How about someone from IBM collecting some of these utilities that are posted here and there and zipping them as a collection for download from OS2 Tools ??? ) BTW... Sometimes my desktop objects disappear I believe due to initialization problems with autostart folders and objects. I do a Ctl-Alt-Del, and use the Ctrl-Shift-F1 to stop any objects from starting, and the desktop seems to come back completely. Usually I believe that it is Novell folders somehow interfering, and usually it is a group of folders on the desktop that don't show up. George Clark, Norton Company ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 22:23:46 on 92/09/13 GMT (by BURNS at AUSVM2) - Subject: Shutdown & Lockup disappearing from the Desktop Ref: Append at 04:34:35 on 92/09/11 GMT (by TAYLORJA at BCRVMPC1) James, To copy my desktop I followed the directions on page 40 in the Using The Operating System Manual. I booted from diskette, used XCOPY c:\DESKTOP A:\DESKTOP /S /E. Then I just did a plain copy of the OS2.INI and OS2SYS.INI files. Going the other way, I did the reverse back onto my system at home. I just tried to follow Gregory's suggestion of going to drives and RMB on the desktop. I have 4 OS/2 desktops (probably one is generated every time I have tried to reinstall. None of them have the SHUTDOWN LOCKUP menu choices on them. My system at work is HPFS. My system at home is FAT. It seems that I have constant trouble at home, while I never have any problems at work. Any more tips, questions, or suggestions? Thanks, Nancy Nancy Burns ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 00:01:28 on 92/09/14 GMT (by XXVALC01 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Windows .ICO files Ref: Append at 21:46:43 on 92/09/09 GMT (by SUPDOAR at DFWVM04) There is an excellent program available in IBMOS2 on CompuServe. It's in library 4, called ICON.ZIP. I now have a lot of icons. Tony Valenti Valcomp Technology Inc. (416) 850-9111 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 03:36:49 on 92/09/14 GMT (by IL42384 at OS2CUST) ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 23:12:14 on 92/09/14 GMT (by IL42384 at OS2CUST) Subject: Resolution - Success (Stalling, Poor Performance, etc.) The IBM OS/2 Development Team has made great strides forward in resolving many of the difficlties and bugs in OS/2 2.0. When OS/2 GA was first released, many of us experienced problems with poor performance, stalling, memory errors, hardware incompatibities, defective applets that would crash the system, Work Place bugs and many other problems. In my case my system, a PS/2 80-041 with an SCSI adapter, Percom SCSI hard disk and a third party memory adapter, would stall when launching an application, had a long delay opening and closing folders, took an inordinate amount of time to install, lost the printer object after installation and many other problems. Thats to the OS/2 Development Team, in particular I want to thank Mr. Lai Le, these problems have been found, analyzed and best of all solutions "FIXES" are being created. The problem of stalling, various memory and hardware errors have been resolved. There is a new SCSI driver that corrects these and many other problems. With the driver installed in my system, OS/2 no longer stalls or hangs when launching an application. A new Kernel is currently being tested and will soon be released in the next CSD or Service Pack. As for the problem with large partitions, this problem is being resolved currently and a fix is forth coming. I, like the rest of you have waited a long time for a product as powerful and flexible as OS/2 2.0. Let's no lose sight of how complex an operating system it is. I can honestly tell you that the OS/2 team is hard at work trying to resolve as many problems as possible. Some of the troubles lie in the way problem reports "PMRs" get filtered down to the development team. They don't always know how serious or how many of us are having problems. In many cases we feel as if the problems with OS/2 are isolated to just our systems, when in fact the problems have global implications. Keep reporting problems to IBM, don't give up. If you feel that you are not getting any satisfaction try getting others with the same problems to report them as a group. Don't let them say that your problem is not serious enough. If it interferes with the operations of the system, then it is serious. What we need is a fix that will update and correct our original set of disks as well as fix running systems. I know how we all can't wait for the fixes of OS/2, what ever IBM calls them. But let's not make a situation where by IBM is placed in a position where it is forced to release a premature set of fixes. A month, more or less, won't change things much, but an incomplete or defective fix could doom the product. We need a general fix that resolves problems with hardware, I/O device (CD ROMs, Sound Boards), Applets, Backup, LAN, Work Place protection and so on. To be a stable product is not good enough, OS/2 2.0 and all its parts must work and work well together. How can developers, of other OS/2 programs, release them if the main product isn't ready. I've been told that the IBM Development Team will be posting the new set of fixes on the OS/2 BBS shortly, this includes the new SCSI drivers. I want to thank all of you on the OS/2 BBS for your support. I'd also want to thank all of those at IBM who also guided and assisted me. The furture is OS/2. GO IBM ................... Jerry Sitbon (718) 357-4369 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:55:26 on 92/09/14 GMT (by DAVISN at HOUVMSCC) Subject: Shutdown & Lockup disappearing from the Desktop Ref: Append at 22:23:46 on 92/09/13 GMT (by BURNS at AUSVM2) Try running MAKEINI as described in the Command Reference (HELP MAKEINI) but *WITHOUT* first erasing the existing .INI files. Let us know if this works. Nathan Davis ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:53:39 on 92/09/14 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) - Subject: Windows .ICO files Ref: Append at 00:01:28 on 92/09/14 GMT (by XXVALC01 at TORVMCOP) There is also a CVTICO.ZIP and it may be the same program. I have not had a chance to verify it. BRO CVT*.* /LIB:ALL will get it from ANY LIB prompt. Irv Spalten BPC Technical Interface Group, Boca Raton FL ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:25:07 on 92/09/14 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: Persistent Apps Ref: Append at 02:56:25 on 92/09/12 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE86) I'd suggest to use following code as STARTUP.CMD: /* STARTUP.CMD - prevent startup of folders and programs from OS2.INI */ Call RxFuncAdd 'SysIni', 'REXXUTIL', 'SysIni'; Call SysIni 'USER', 'PM_WorkPlace:Restart', 'DELETE:'; Call SysIni 'SYSTEM', 'FolderworkareaRunningObjects', 'DELETE:'; 'EXIT'; It's quite possible, there were some entries in OS2.INI (PM_WorkPlace: Restart) or OS2SYS.INI (FolderworkareaRunningObjects) left which change the startup sequence. If you have am INI file editor/browser available, you could have a look and tell us what you see (or you could use a small REXX program). The above method is described in OS/2 RedBooks... Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/09/14 16:21 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:29:10 on 92/09/14 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: Lost DeskTop Objects Ref: Append at 16:24:05 on 92/09/12 GMT (by IL22993 at OS2CUST) The code was mine and was appended to this very forum. However, I was asked by OS/2 support to remove it because it supposedly used "unsupported and undocumented" features. No comments... If you want this code, look on CompuServe in IBMOS2, Library 8 REXX, RECREA.CMD (a few hundred downloads when I looked recently...). It's free. Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/09/14 16:25 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:36:47 on 92/09/14 GMT (by IL41468 at OS2CUST) Subject: Windows .ICO files Ref: Append at 19:53:39 on 92/09/14 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) - Also of the IBM National Public Center BBS, out of Atlanta(1-404-835-6600 at 8n1 1200 to 9600), their are thrre files OS2ICON1.ZIP, OS2ICON2.ZIP, and OS2ICO3.EXE, that contain about 1300 icons. You can use the softterm package that came with OS/2 to connect to it. Also there is a menu entry for this BBS. John M. Schaeffer (AIMS - Sandy, Utah) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 05:49:34 on 92/09/15 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Resolution - Success (Stalling, Poor Performance, etc.) Ref: Append at 03:36:49 on 92/09/14 GMT (by IL42384 at OS2CUST) Jerry, Not only you have 8580-A31 , Where are those fixes, Where can I get them? Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 NHO-32 801-7th Ave Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2P 2N6 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 05:53:45 on 92/09/15 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Windows .ICO files Ref: Append at 20:36:47 on 92/09/14 GMT (by IL41468 at OS2CUST) Wach out with the Icons! . I expanded them to one directory, and it kelled my system's performance. WPS just can't handle 1300 icons in one folder (I would say 200 is the reasonable limit). I ended up creating separete A B C ... subdirectories for the Icons. Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 NHO-32 801-7th Ave Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2P 2N6 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:35:44 on 92/09/15 GMT (by USBC238 at OS2CUST) Subject: Desktop pointing to Wrong Subdirectory Ref: Append at 21:02:23 on 92/09/11 GMT (by XXCAIL12 at TORVMCOP) Look at the desktop settings, under general. See if the title is Desktop or OS2_2.0_Desktop. This may be the problem. It seems to me I've changed the title to Desktop and the subdirectory changed also. The system may need to be rebooted. Charles Boyce - US Bank, Portland OR ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:31:25 on 92/09/15 GMT (by PCBW022 at OS2CUST) Subject: Drag and Drop Files to Copy Ref: Append at 20:51:35 on 92/09/11 GMT (by IL21453 at OS2CUST) Paul -- I encountered a similar problem (4,000+ 0 length files on Novell server after a drag 'n' drop). Check with your Novell support staff to ensure that your 3.11 server is up-to-date on server PTFs -- also, Novell has released updates to the GA version of the OS/2 2.0 requester which are available through NETWIRE. Ask your Novell support staff to download these updates for you. Perhaps Novell and IBM will post Requester PTFs on this BBS as well as NETWIRE. Many of us do not have access to NETWIRE and our Novell support staff does not have the time to monitor NETWIRE for OS/2 updates. Good Luck! Jay Johnson - Power Computing Company - Dallas, Tx. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:04:28 on 92/09/15 GMT (by IL41468 at OS2CUST) Subject: Windows .ICO files Ref: Append at 05:53:45 on 92/09/15 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Geza: I did the same thing. In fact problems occured for me in the low 200's. So now I have 26 icon directories. John M. Schaeffer (AIMS - Sandy, Utah) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:56:28 on 92/09/15 GMT (by VA06582 at OS2CUST) Subject: Object settings, etc., are no longer kept across IPL Help! Help! Help! For awhile now I haven't been able to save settings for the WPS objects. At fi rst, I didn't really put it together as a problem. The symtoms were that I cli ck on an object to invoke an application either the wrong app would start or th e object settings book appears. Lately however, I got suspicious and tried fixing all the settings of the objec ts that I often use. Everything worked fine. Then I did an orderly shutdown a nd re-IPL the system. When the WPS came up, I immediately checked the objects that I had changed prior to the IPL -- the changes did NOT hold! Have I bumped up against a wall in WPS, such as no. of objects, or memory at sh utdown, or ???? Upon further investigation I found that a given object's settings, if corrupted , may contain information (path/filename, parms, working dir, etc.), from other objects in the system. Does this imply some sort of INI overflow? Please, someone give some insight as to what might be happening. Bill Pier @ Hughes Aircraft, Fullerton, CA ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 01:05:09 on 92/09/16 GMT (by XXVALC01 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Object settings, etc., are no longer kept across IPL Ref: Append at 20:56:28 on 92/09/15 GMT (by VA06582 at OS2CUST) I am having the same problem with lost settings. I have a single 320mb HPFS partition. Tony Valenti Valcomp Technology Inc. (416) 850-9111 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 03:48:31 on 92/09/16 GMT (by DAVISN at HOUVMSCC) Subject: Setting menu on floppy drive objects. Ref: Append at 14:23:37 on 92/09/11 GMT (by XXTCAN06 at TORVMCOP) Adding menu items to Drive objects doesn't work. I am fairly certain this is a true bug. Nathan Davis ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:02:10 on 92/09/16 GMT (by PERSHNG at YKTVMH) Subject: Object settings, etc., are no longer kept across IPL Ref: Append at 01:05:09 on 92/09/16 GMT (by XXVALC01 at TORVMCOP) There are rumors flying around about the imminent release of a "service pack" (a.k.a., CSD) -- however, for the interim... Try this: Get and apply the OS2KRNL and HPFS fixes (available on various BBSs, as well as "here", I believe). Edit your CONFIG.SYS file and change the second number of the SWAPPATH= statement to something big like 16000 (this is the size of the initial allocation that will be requested when the system first comes up). Then, shut down and boot stand-alone OS/2 from the installation floppies (hit ESC when it gives you the choice). ERASE your SWAPPER.DAT file, then insert Diskette #2 (which is where CHKDSK lives) and run CHKDSK with the /F:3 option *twice* against each of your disks. If you have a single 320-Meg partition this will take an extraordinarily long time, so you probably want to start this just before you go home for the day. With a bit of luck, this will make lots of these spurious problems go away. John A. Pershing Jr. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 23:53:44 on 92/09/16 GMT (by XXVALC01 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Object settings, etc., are no longer kept across IPL Ref: Append at 15:02:10 on 92/09/16 GMT (by PERSHNG at YKTVMH) Thank you. I do have the OS2KRNL and HPFS fixes applied. My swap is now set at 8192. I will try your procedure (including CHKDSK twice!) and let you know if it helps. Thanks again. Tony Valenti Valcomp Technology Inc. (416) 850-9111 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:03:41 on 92/09/17 GMT (by UOFT003 at OS2CUST) Subject: Can You Set Colors With SysCreateObject/SysSetObjectData ? Is possible to set PM colors with SysCreateObject/SysSetObjectData ? If so, what's the combination of keywords needed. I've tried: SysSetObjectData('<WP_DESKTOP>','IconText=204 204 204;'); SysSetObjectData('<WP_DESKTOP>','IconText="204 204 204";'); I receive a Result=1 but nothing happens to the color settings. Doug Sinnott ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:54:14 on 92/09/17 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 16:25:28 on 92/09/17 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: Can You Set Colors With SysCreateObject/SysSetObjectData ? Ref: Append at 14:03:41 on 92/09/17 GMT (by UOFT003 at OS2CUST) | Sorry, wrong info... | Not sure there is a way to change the Icon Text this way. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:21:52 on 92/09/17 GMT (by UOFT003 at OS2CUST) Subject: Can You Set Colors With SysCreateObject/SysSetObjectData ? SysSetObjectData('<WP_DESKTOP>','ICONTEXT=255 255 255;'); Did not work here. This should set the icon text to white to allow for a background bitmap that is very dark. Gregory: you stated "I think" :-) Would you have a minute to try the above command. Perhaps my REXX20 patch is too old ? Doug Sinnott ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:26:57 on 92/09/17 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: Can You Set Colors With SysCreateObject/SysSetObjectData ? Ref: Append at 15:21:52 on 92/09/17 GMT (by UOFT003 at OS2CUST) Ooops ! (Blush :-( Where did you find the ICONTEXT setup string ? I can't get it to work on my system either... Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/09/17 12:25 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:44:07 on 92/09/17 GMT (by XXVALC01 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Object settings, etc., are no longer kept across IPL Ref: Append at 15:02:10 on 92/09/16 GMT (by PERSHNG at YKTVMH) Well, increasing my swap to 16000 does not seem to have helped. After I did it, about 20 program references had missing PATH settings (all for programs on the Server). I reentered them all, shut down, and when home. This morning when I booted, all the same ones were missing again, so I again reentered them. FWIW, the Server is 1.3 with Lan Manager 2.0 running HPFS386. Tony Valenti Valcomp Technology Inc. (416) 850-9111 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:44:45 on 92/09/17 GMT (by SCGCACT at OS2CUST) Subject: Copy Desktop Help, I remembered I saw some entries talked about one or two utility programs allow us to backup the Desktop setting from one machine and restore in another to duplicate the same Desktop for different machines. Somehow I cannot found thoes entries anymore. Can somebody tell me those program names and where I can get them. Thanks. Albert Tseng , So. Cal. Gas Co. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:52:39 on 92/09/17 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: Object settings, etc., are no longer kept across IPL Ref: Append at 16:44:07 on 92/09/17 GMT (by XXVALC01 at TORVMCOP) Is it possible that you get logged of the LAN when you leave ? Do you logon again before trying to use those objects ? Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/09/17 12:51 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:57:17 on 92/09/17 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: Copy Desktop Ref: Append at 16:44:45 on 92/09/17 GMT (by SCGCACT at OS2CUST) Look for: Append at 12:51:10 on 92/08/20 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) in OS2WPS CFORUM Sorry, it's not ready yet :-( but it's getting better every day !-) Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/09/17 12:55 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:59:58 on 92/09/17 GMT (by UOFT003 at OS2CUST) Subject: Can You Set Colors With SysCreateObject/SysSetObjectData Gregory: Found the keyword ICONTEXT in INI.RC. Determined values needed by editing a scheme and displaying selected color values. Hope we find a answer. This is the last piece in the puzzle of remote installing customized OS/2 systems via NTS/2. Doug Sinnott ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:08:53 on 92/09/17 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: Can You Set Colors With SysCreateObject/SysSetObjectData Ref: Append at 18:59:58 on 92/09/17 GMT (by UOFT003 at OS2CUST) Aha, gotcha !-) Wondering why I didn't get this idea sooner .... IconText setting you are talking about is the global setting for PM_Colors (PM_Default_Colors) application from OS2.INI ! And it will affect the whole desktop... And I know how you can set/change it :-) - you need the SysIni function from REXXUTIL, Call SysIni 'USER','PM_Colors','IconText','255 255 255'||'00'x (remember - you won't see this change until after reboot). And no, there is no setup string to change colors on per-object basis... Hope it helps ! Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/09/17 15:53 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 23:19:04 on 92/09/17 GMT (by XXVALC01 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Object settings, etc., are no longer kept across IPL Ref: Append at 16:52:39 on 92/09/17 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) I log off the LAN and do a shutdown before I leave. When I start up, I logon before trying to use any program references. Even if I don't logon, the settings (PATH,etc.) should still be there. If I try to use them I will get a message like "invalid path". (This is what happens with some other icons which do not lose their settings.) I am tempted to try FAT next time. Tony Valenti Valcomp Technology Inc. (416) 850-9111 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:00:19 on 92/09/18 GMT (by UOFT003 at OS2CUST) Subject: Can You Set Colors With SysCreateObject/SysSetObjectData ? Gregory: Thanks ! That did it. At completion of NTS/2 install of SE, can now run an EXEC that sets the defaults I need, and the background bitmap name (using SysSetObjectData). With the next reboot, the user's desktop is customize. :-)) Thanks for your help. Doug Sinnott ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:32:46 on 92/09/18 GMT (by PERSHNG at YKTVMH) Subject: Object settings, etc., are no longer kept across IPL Ref: Append at 16:44:07 on 92/09/17 GMT (by XXVALC01 at TORVMCOP) I'm sorry to hear that and, unfortunately, don't have any other suggestions. Maybe the upcoming "service pack" will fix these problems. (I'm a "mere" user -- I hardly even know where Boca is!...) John A. Pershing Jr. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:30:27 on 92/09/19 GMT (by WZ00618 at OS2CUST) Subject: desktop error I am haveing a problem with an error message I get when I use a icon to start a Scan.exe check in DOS box. I keep getting the following error message SYS3171 A program caused exception c0000005 at 1aac6bd6 Due to insufficient stack space, the exception was not dispatched. The process was terminated. PMWP.DLL 0002 Then the desktop closes and then restarts. I also can not delete the Icon with the shreader to get rid of it. What do i need to do to get rid of this problem file. Rick ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:17:05 on 92/09/19 GMT (by IL42384 at OS2CUST) Subject: desktop error Ref: Append at 17:30:27 on 92/09/19 GMT (by WZ00618 at OS2CUST) Did you install the latest corrective fix called SOMFIX.ZIP and HPFS.ZIP? If you did there is a know bug in the file PMWP.DLL . Boot from the original disks and replace this file with the original one. If you have installed the latest HPFS.IFS file you will need to remove it and replace it with the 7/92 updated version. The new version currently on the BBS has problems. I hope this will help Jerry Sitbon (718) 357-4369 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 22:35:44 on 92/09/19 GMT (by HNDERSON at AUSVM8) Subject: IBM partication in the CFROUM Ref: Various appends by IBMer I strongly recommend that all IBMer take time to READ THE HEADERS of THIS AND ALL OTHER CFORUMs. This Cforum and all other Cforums are for Customers to ask questions offer views, suggestion, etc. TO other customers, and to IBMers. They are NOT TO CONTAIN references to IBM Internal USE Only products. They are not to reference IBM INTERNAL minidisk that are not available to customers. They are not to contain reference to unannounced products. __ __ ___ __ __ _ _ | |_| | / \ | \| | | |./ / Hank Henderson HNDERSON at AUSVM8 | _ | / _~_ \ Sincerely | . < Staff OSS to OS/2 BBS (TEAMOS2) |__| |__| /_/ \_\ |__|\__| |_| \_\ Tie:8-793-8647 Austin, Texas LNK1SM7 @ IBMLINK - OS/2 BBS ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:22:57 on 92/09/21 GMT (by SJBOWER at CHGVMIC1) Subject: Adding Option to Primary Pull Down on Disk Object My customer is trying to figure out a way to do a DiskCopy A: A: (Copy all information from Source into memory then copy to a Target disk all in the A Drive.) I have tried to go into the settings and add another item to the Primary Selections (which I have done correctly on the WPS to add an OS/2 Window Option to the desktop selection list) but the new setting does not show. Any Ideas on How I can either change the diskcopy from A: -> B: to A: -> A: or add another option to add this function? ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:57:33 on 92/09/21 GMT (by BURNS at AUSVM2) - Subject: Shutdown & Lockup disappearing from the Desktop Ref: Append at 18:55:26 on 92/09/14 GMT (by DAVISN at HOUVMSCC) Nathan, I tried your suggestion of running MAKEINI without deleting the existing .INI files. It did not seem to make any difference. I still come up in a folder that does not have SHUTDOWN or LOCKUP on the menu. This is rather irritating since I cannot save the appearence of my desktop and I cannot turn off my automatic lockup which was activated on my desktop at work. I would really like to fix this if at all possible. Nancy Burns ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:30:40 on 92/09/21 GMT (by V$I00241 at PKMFGVM3) Subject: Changing Minimized ICON text color on the desktop. Ref: Append at 02:48:18 on 92/07/01 GMT (by IL22993 at OS2CUST) I am having trouble changing the ICON text in minimized icons on the desktop. With the SCHEME program I can change the color of the icon text on all the folders on the desktop. However this doesn't change the color of the icon text on the minimized programs. I have looked at all the options on the SCHEME program and don't see one that deals with minimized icon text. This is annoying as I want to set the background color of the desktop to black which wipes out the black text in the minimized icons. Does anyone know how to change that text? Roland Beauregard ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:11:19 on 92/09/21 GMT (by GOBEILLE at WSCVM) Subject: Adding Option to Primary Pull Down on Disk Object Ref: Append at 12:22:57 on 92/09/21 GMT (by SJBOWER at CHGVMIC1) My A-drive object already has this diskcopy option in the menu (and it does do a diskcopy A: A:). Is your customer trying to add a different program? If so, I think it's a bug. I tried to do it too (I have a copy program I far prefer, and would love that menu to bring IT up). For some reason, you can't add an menu option to the diskette objects. Janet Gobeille -- Gaithersburg, MD ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:39:22 on 92/09/21 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Adding Option to Primary Pull Down on Disk Object Ref: Append at 20:11:19 on 92/09/21 GMT (by GOBEILLE at WSCVM) For most of us the diskcopy actualy does Diskcopy A: B:, but if you have just one drive,..... Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 NHO-32 801-7th Ave Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2P 2N6 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:06:50 on 92/09/21 GMT (by GOBEILLE at WSCVM) Subject: Adding Option to Primary Pull Down on Disk Object Ref: Append at 20:39:22 on 92/09/21 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Thanks. It never dawned on me that it would 'diskcopy' A to B even on a 2-drive system because most have drives of different types (a 5.25 and a 3.5) and diskcopy says it can only be used to copy to the same type of drive (*sigh*). Janet Gobeille ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 11:21:08 on 92/09/23 GMT (by UOFT003 at OS2CUST) Subject: Problem With SysSetObjectData And WPS Background I have successfully set the BACKGROUND bitmap name using SysSetObjectData but the background does not appear until I manually select WPS settings and click on "BACKGROUND". Is there some other parameter (setup) I need to supply to make the change occur ? Doug Sinnott ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:17:10 on 92/09/23 GMT (by UOFT003 at OS2CUST) Subject: How Can I Find Object Ids ? Both LAN Requester and Extended Services have placed folders on the desktop. Running the SysIni query as provided by Michael Lamb does not show an object id for them. Is there another way to obtain what their object ids are? As part of a network unattended install I would like to customize these entries somewhat. Thanks, Doug Sinnott ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:26:16 on 92/09/23 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: How Can I Find Object Ids ? Ref: Append at 13:17:10 on 92/09/23 GMT (by UOFT003 at OS2CUST) They don't have OBJECTIDs assigned... Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/09/23 09:25 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:17:01 on 92/09/23 GMT (by UOFT003 at OS2CUST) Subject: How Can I Find Object Ids ? Is there a way to address them ? To shadow entries within them to other folders for example. Doug Sinnott ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 22:23:35 on 92/09/23 GMT (by TAYLORJA at BCRVMPC1) Subject: Shutdown & Lockup disappearing from the Desktop Ref: Append at 22:23:46 on 92/09/13 GMT (by BURNS at AUSVM2) Nancy, When you booted from disk, and did the copies, were you running OS/2 or DOS? The desktop is the desktop because it has an extended attribute that says it is the desktop. Run the following command on your system at home: EAUTIL C:\DESKTOP C:\DESKTOP.EAS /S /P Then, type the DESKTOP.EAS file out. You should see somewhere near the end of it a line containing .CLASSINFO. The first readable characters following .CLASSINFO should be WPDesktop. I suspect that on your system at home, you are going to find out that the first readable characters after .CLASSINFO are WPFolder... That is probably you problem. If so, to fix it, use EAUTIL at work with the /S /P paramaters to copy the EAs off of you desktop, then at home, use EAUTIL with the /J /P parameters to join them back. James ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 23:30:56 on 92/09/23 GMT (by RICHKULP at CARVM3) Subject: How Can I Find Object Ids ? Ref: Append at 20:17:01 on 92/09/23 GMT (by UOFT003 at OS2CUST) Since they are a folder, you could use their name (i.e. "C:\OS2!2.0 Desktop\Extended Services") however, if they were moved or had the name changed, this won't work. Rich Kulp ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:44:33 on 92/09/24 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: How Can I Find Object Ids ? Ref: Append at 20:17:01 on 92/09/23 GMT (by UOFT003 at OS2CUST) For "real objects" (WPProgramfile, WPDatafile, WPFolder) you can use the physical location (i.e. the full path) of the object as the SHADOWID. I think WPS is smart enough to update the pointers when you move objects around (except you do it under native DOS). Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/09/24 08:41 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:18:14 on 92/09/24 GMT (by AYP1Q01 at OS2CUST) Subject: Unable to add objects I had to re-format and re-install OS/2 v2 last week after I had an accident with the new HPFS.IFS. Since then, some of my folders have been acting strangely. When I log onto our Token-Ring network, a Public Applications folder is created dynamically, as it should, and it blinks once or twice as if applications are being added to it, but when I open it, it always comes up empty. There are only 300-some bytes of extended attributes attached to the directory (the number changes from boot to boot). Also, if I try to migrate applications, the new folders are created properly, but they come up empty as well. Neither of these is a major problem in itself, since I have all the applications I normally run placed in other folders, but I'm afraid that the underlying cause may bite me harder somewhere else. Does anyone have any ideas? Steve Bassler, Allegheny Power ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:52:26 on 92/09/24 GMT (by AYP1Q01 at OS2CUST) Subject: Unable to add objects Ref: Append at 15:18:14 on 92/09/24 GMT (by AYP1Q01 at OS2CUST) Never mind - I see that the problem has already been addressed by others, on another forum. If anyone else has experienced this, it can be fixed easily enough by backing out the new SOM files (SOM.DLL, PMWP.DLL, and WPPRINT.DLL). Another case of broken fixes. Steve Bassler, Allegheny Power ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 01:03:42 on 92/09/25 GMT (by SMS3086 at MARTLINK) Subject: The Disconnected ICON on Novell LAN Hello, I am connected to a Novell 3.1.1 server under OS/2 2.0 with ES loaded. When I have on my desktop a shadow of a subdirectory which is on the file server. This was created by opening the drives folder when logged on the server, and selecting a "Folder/Subdirectory" from drives display. I then create a shadow of it on the desktop. This all works fine... Until ... I need to reboot the next morning. When I reboot, I must sign onto the Novell Server. After userid/passwords have been entered, a virus scan MUST be performed BEFORE any network drives areallocated. Hense my problem. I get a "disconnected/broken" ICON for that network folder/subdirectory. It looks like this... +-+ +-+ | | Well sort of... The workaround is simple... Just | shred it, and create a new shadow when the network +---- ----+ drives are allocated after the virus scan. | | | +-+ Does anyone have a work around for this??? +-+ Dir Name Thanks, Stuart ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 11:32:30 on 92/09/25 GMT (by IL74804 at OS2CUST) Subject: OS/2 is not recognizing existing files When a DIR is performed in an OS/2 windows, only a few of the files are shown with a SYS0278 error at the end. However, when the DIR is performed in a DOS windows all the files are shown properly. Because OS/2 is not "seeing" all the files, the programs can not be run (these directories are not special - just the usual Window, Communication, Word Processor files). When I did a HELP SYS0278 I was told to perform a CHKDSK /f which I did, but there were NOT any fragmented files - which was not surprising since the hard drive was formatted shortly before the OS/2 installation. The SYS0278 error also stated "System can't find extended attribute". Is there any way to have OS/2 "find" these files? Robert Hardy Lee County Water Resources ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:14:20 on 92/09/25 GMT (by IRV at BCRVMPC1) - Subject: OS/2 is not recognizing existing files Ref: Append at 11:32:30 on 92/09/25 GMT (by IL74804 at OS2CUST) I would guess that you have written these files somehow under REAL DOS. On a FAT system, there is a hidden file that contains all the EA's for that drive. Pointers in a file go to that EA file, and from there, EA data is retreived. If you use DOS to do things, like copy, edit, etc. that file, since it is UNAWARE of EA's it forgets about them, but the pointer is STILL in the file. OS/2's DOS sessions, being DOS equivalents, don't use the EA's either, so it would work. Use DIR /N to see the EA's, and those should be the files you can't read. CHKDSK will fix this up IF there was some corruption by OS/2. The chains would be broken, but I do not think it would work in this case. EAUTIL might, try that. Enter HELP EAUTIL at an OS/2 prompt. For the /N command on DIR, HELP DIR will show you that. You might have to delete the files and recreate. Irv Spalten BPC Technical Interface Group, Boca Raton FL ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:47:19 on 92/09/25 GMT (by AYP1Q01 at OS2CUST) Subject: The Disconnected ICON on Novell LAN Ref: Append at 01:03:42 on 92/09/25 GMT (by SMS3086 at MARTLINK) Stuart, This is a typical "Broken Connection" icon problem, because the system obviously cannot tell what sort of object this is due to the drive not being available at the time the object's icon is to be displayed. One solution, as you mentioned, is to shred and rebuild the object. As you know, this can be a real pain in the buttinski. I have done the same sort of thing, placing a shadow of my WordPerfect LAN directory on my desktop. However, if you place that shadow INSIDE of another folder, titled perhaps "LAN folders," the system will not try to display it until you actually open the folder, by which time the drives can be allocated. Thus, all the information it needs will be available, and - ta-da! - there is your folder's icon, ready to go. Hope this works for you as well as it does for me. Steve Bassler, Allegheny Power ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:20:22 on 92/09/25 GMT (by MCCUE at ICCVMAS7) Subject: Association types, extended attributes, templates, and the WPS Is there any manual that explains in complete detail the OS/2 2.0 use and implementation of Association types, extended attributes, templates workplace shell objects, etc. I need to be able create an installation program that will install our app, add a new data type to the WPS list of data types, associate the data type with our app's exe, assign an icon to the data type, and then create a new template for our data type. I have yet to find a document that thoroughly explains this seemingly simple process. Does anyone know what I should be reading? - Mike McCue ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:45:43 on 92/09/25 GMT (by TAYLORJA at BCRVMPC1) Subject: The Disconnected ICON on Novell LAN Ref: Append at 01:03:42 on 92/09/25 GMT (by SMS3086 at MARTLINK) Since you created your shadow by dragging from the drives folder, we know about the object via its fully quailified path name. Thus, when you bring up your system, we do not know how to connect up the shadow, since the drive is not in use yet. If you create the object by opening the Network folder, and then navigating from there to create the shadow, we will know about the object via its UNC name. We believe that valid scenarios exist for both kinds of shadows, so we differentiate between the two. Another option that you have is to modify the PROTSHELL statement so that it brings up a command processor, you sign on to the network and connect your drives (Do this without getting any PM windows and you will be in good shape), then run your virus scans (again, without running anything PM), and then execute PMSHELL.EXE you will probably be satisfied. The reason for not starting anything PM is that the first message queue created in the system has very special status, and will get all sorts of system threads created in that process. The first message queue is expected to never be destroyed. James ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 23:15:32 on 92/09/25 GMT (by IL41468 at HONE85) Subject: Association types, extended attributes, templates, and the WPS Ref: Append at 19:20:22 on 92/09/25 GMT (by MCCUE at ICCVMAS7) Mike: OS/2 technical library punblications. Program Guide They are three volumes. J. M. Schaeffer ("John" AIMS Sandy, Utah) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:35:12 on 92/09/26 GMT (by TAYLORJA at BCRVMPC1) Subject: Setting menu on floppy drive objects. Ref: Append at 14:23:37 on 92/09/11 GMT (by XXTCAN06 at TORVMCOP) If you place the same diskette back in that was in the system when you added the menu options, do they show up? James ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:36:00 on 92/09/28 GMT (by SMS3086 at MARTLINK) Subject: The Disconnected ICON on Novell LAN Ref: Append at 20:45:43 on 92/09/25 GMT (by TAYLORJA at BCRVMPC1) Thanks, I have tried putting the "ICON/Subdirectory" in a folder, that works. I will try to create the folder from the Network folder. You help is much appreciated... Stuart ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:55:18 on 92/09/28 GMT (by IL69655 at OS2CUST) Subject: OS2.ini files backup (no text entered) Jong Sung, The World Bank, Wash.DC ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:00:08 on 92/09/28 GMT (by IL69655 at OS2CUST) Subject: OS2.ini & os2sys.ini backup I would appreciate if any one could help me out on this one. I need to backup the OS2.ini & OS2SYS.ini files while the system is running. Since it is locked by OS/2 i can not backup to a floppy disk. Does any one know how to backup the .ini files or to temporary unprotect them to copy and them return them back to their previous state. Thanks Jong Sung, The World Bank, Wash.DC ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:57:27 on 92/09/28 GMT (by RICHKULP at CARVM3) Subject: Association types, extended attributes, templates, and the WPS Ref: Append at 19:20:22 on 92/09/25 GMT (by MCCUE at ICCVMAS7) I would also suggest that your installation program would have an option to only create the WPS objects and associations. This is because there are times where you need to just recreate those. For example the programs are on a LAN or you've lost your desktop, but not the programs. You don't want to reinstall the programs just to get the WPS objects back. Rich Kulp ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:59:25 on 92/09/28 GMT (by GOBEILLE at WSCVM) Subject: OS2.ini & os2sys.ini backup Ref: Append at 18:00:08 on 92/09/28 GMT (by IL69655 at OS2CUST) Jong, there are some methods that use XCOPY in the CONFIG.SYS, but I hope someone will append here giving the specific instructions. I've never used it. For all of those not in the Washington DC area: please forgive the following: As another alternative: there are a couple shareware ini-backup programs out for OS/2. I have copies of them among several disks full of OS/2 shareware. And we're going to be demo-ing OS/2 at the PC fair on Sunday, October 4 at the Montgomery County Fairgrounds in Gaithersburg. If you come and bring several 1.44meg diskettes, you can make copies of these. We will have several test-drive OS/2 systems there, including one equipped with ScreenReader/2: the OS/2 version of our super product that reads the screen aloud for users who need visual assistance. Yes, now you can HEAR OS/2 too (*grin*). Some of our test systems also have the new Beta code with Windows 3.1 if you haven't seen it already. Janet Gobeille ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:04:59 on 92/09/28 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE84) Subject: OS2.ini & os2sys.ini backup Ref: Append at 18:00:08 on 92/09/28 GMT (by IL69655 at OS2CUST) Jong, There is a shareware product available on a number of OS/2 supporting BBSes that will create a backup of the .ini files and the workplace shell and provides means to restore it if necessary. I know it is on the OS/2 Shareware BBS in Va. at 703-385-4325 and is called WPBKUP04, the numbers may have changed last version I noticed was the 04 though. I also believe that a while back in the REXX forum a post included procedures for backing up the .ini files with a REXX procedure. Jack Hiatt Marc Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:20:49 on 92/09/29 GMT (by MILLERDA at WMAVM7) Subject: OS2.ini & os2sys.ini backup Ref: Append at 18:00:08 on 92/09/28 GMT (by IL69655 at OS2CUST) Jong, Here's what the WPS Redbook recommends: *********************************************************************** This material bears the following copyright: Copyright IBM Corp. 1992 *********************************************************************** The solution to this is to make a series of generation backups of OS2.INI, by using XCOPY from within CONFIG.sys and some COPys from within STARTUP.CMD. Since these backup files are not used by the system they may be backed up to tape or another disk just like any other data files. Although the critical WPS data is held in OS2.INI, it is worth backing up OS2SYS.INI in the same way. This is illustrated in Figure 28 and Figure 29. ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ ║ ║ ║ RUN=C:\OS2\XCOPY.EXE C:\OS2\OS2*.INI C:\OS2\INSTALL ║ ║ ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ Figure 28. Starting XCOPY From the First Line in CONFIG.SYS to Back Up the INI Files ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ ║ ║ REM *** Build Backup History *** ║ C: ║ CD \OS2\INSTALL ║ COPY OS2.3 OS2.OLD ║ COPY OS2.2 OS2.3 ║ COPY OS2.1 OS2.2 ║ COPY OS2.INI OS2.1 ║ COPY OS2SYS.3 OS2SYS.OLD ║ COPY OS2SYS.2 OS2SYS.3 ║ COPY OS2SYS.1 OS2SYS.2 ║ COPY OS2SYS.INI OS2SYS.1 ║ CD\ ║ REM *** That's all folks ... *** ║ ║ ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ Figure 29. Building Back Up History of the INI Files from STARTUP.CMD This scheme keeps five versions of the INI files on disk, .OLD being the oldest. If something happens to an INI file you still have a chance of reverting to a previous version. The space occupied by the backups depends on the size of your INI files and the number of cascaded copies you make; from 500 KB to several MB of disk space can be used up.You must make your own judgement as to the number of generations to keep, based on the size of the files concerned and the available disk space. ************************************************************************ end of Redbook exerpt ************************************************************************ Douglas A. Miller FSC/FAA Advanced Automation System ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:31:22 on 92/09/29 GMT (by AYP1Q01 at OS2CUST) Subject: OS2.ini & os2sys.ini backup Ref: Append at 20:04:59 on 92/09/28 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE84) Jong, There are a couple of ways to do this. Placing a line like CALL=C:\OS2\XCOPY.EXE C:\OS2\OS2*.INI C:\BACKUP\*.* in your CONFIG.SYS is the easiest. This will copy the OS2.INI and OS2SYS.INI files to a backup directory as part of the system bootup procedure before the WorkPlace Shell gets initialized. This can be expanded to keep two or three generations, using *.INX, *.INY, and *.INZ extensions. I prefer to keep my bootup screen clean (the XCOPY commands echo all kinds of junk to the screen), so I use a variation on the theme, by calling a batch command file: CALL=C:\OS2\CMD.EXE /C D:\CMDLIB\BKUPINI.CMD which looks like this: @ECHO OFF ECHO Backing up OS2.INI and OS2SYS.INI... Please wait. C:\OS2\XCOPY.EXE C:\OS2\OS2*.INI C:\BACKUP\*.* >NUL so all I get is the one message. I then use my STARTUP.CMD to determine if the files have changed since the last boot and make additional copies for safekeeping. (I use the SysFileTree function in RexxUtil to check the dates and times of the files.) By the way, you apparently cannot use Rexx commands in a command file called from CONFIG.SYS, which is why I separated out the functions into STARTUP.CMD. Hope this works for you. Steve Bassler, Allegheny Power ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:11:24 on 92/09/29 GMT (by UOFT003 at OS2CUST) Subject: Using SysCreateObject With Unnamed Objects Still trying to customize the desktop with Extended Services. Should the following command create a shadow ? Call SysCreateObject 'WPShadow', 'CM Startup', '<WP_START>',, 'C:\OS!2 2.0 Desktop\Communications Manager\Communications Manager;',, 'R'; I keep getting a "0" return code. What am I missing ? Doug Sinnott ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 23:18:23 on 92/09/29 GMT (by SMS3087 at MARTLINK) Subject: The Disconnected ICON on Novell LAN Ref: Append at 14:36:00 on 92/09/28 GMT (by SMS3086 at MARTLINK) James, I tried to create a shadow of a subdirectory from the NETWORK folder. I had no problem creating the shadow. But, now when I drag say a "Make" file onto a make "CMD" file, we have problems. The file name created when you create a shadow from the drives ICON when you drag/drop is F:\SUBDIR1\SUBDIR2\...\FILENAME.EXT But when you drag and drop from a folder created from the NETWORK ICON, the filename becomes \\SERVERNAME\VOLUME\SUBDIR1\SUBDIR2\...\FILENAME.EXE. Clearly, extra logic needs to be put into any such application which allows you to drop files onto it. Do you know if there is a way around this? Thanks, Stuart ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 00:16:10 on 92/09/30 GMT (by RICHKULP at CARVM3) Subject: Using SysCreateObject With Unnamed Objects Ref: Append at 21:11:24 on 92/09/29 GMT (by UOFT003 at OS2CUST) Try: Call SysCreateObject 'WPShadow', 'CM Startup', '<WP_START>',, 'SHADOWID='||, 'C:-OS!2 2.0 Desktop-Communications Manager-Communications Manager',, 'R'; Notice the SHADOWID=. This is required to tell what is to be shadowed. It still may not work because the docs say the shadowid must be a location which is either <objectid> or a directory or a program file or a data file. The Communications Manager entry is a program reference. Give it a try though, see what happens. Rich Kulp ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:59:59 on 92/09/30 GMT (by IL78249 at OS2CUST) Subject: Cannot delete object I created a program reference object that I cannot delete. Delete doesn't appear in the object's popup menu. I've tried several other methods, including putting it in a folder and attempting to delete the folder. However, I receive a message indicating that the object cannot be deleted for one of the following reasons: (1) it is non-deleteable; (2) it has a shadow that is non-deleteable; or (3) an open view cannot be closed. I've ruled out reasons 2 & 3. Since delete doesn't appear as an option, I'm assuming that the object got marked non-deleteable. Now the question is: How can I make the object deleteable??? I know that there is an option in the setup string for an object called NODELETE. I'm thinking that I can change the object setup if I can get a handle to the object - and there's the rub. How do I reference the object? WinQueryObject works for file objects - this is a program reference object. Help! Dave Sleep State Farm Insurance ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:02:02 on 92/09/30 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) Subject: associating .INF files Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems that I ought to be able to double- click on a .INF object and have VIEW load it up. However, that only works on objects that were loaded into the Information or LAN Services folder at install time. Trying any others results in a 'Topic not found' or 'Files not found' from VIEW. Moving an object to the Info folder didn't help, nor did creating an association in VIEW for .INF. What am I doing wrong? Tim Rice Legislative Information System (Illinois) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 03:03:04 on 92/10/01 GMT (by IL19543 at OS2CUST) Subject: Cannot delete object Ref: Append at 17:59:59 on 92/09/30 GMT (by IL78249 at OS2CUST) If "move" appears in the pop-up menu, move it to A: (floppy) and then format th e floppy to get rid of it. Mike Long - CARD Iowa State University - PC/LAN Analyst ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:59:02 on 92/10/01 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) -- Subject: Cannot delete object Ref: Append at 17:59:59 on 92/09/30 GMT (by IL78249 at OS2CUST) > I created a program reference object that I cannot delete. Delete doesn't > appear in the object's popup menu. I've tried several other methods, > including putting it in a folder and attempting to delete the folder. You can always delete the folder by opening a command line and deleting its subdirectory. The file system then tells WPS that the subdirectory is gone, so WPS deletes the folder object (and its contents). Dan Kehn ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:21:48 on 92/10/01 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: Cannot delete object Ref: Append at 03:03:04 on 92/10/01 GMT (by IL19543 at OS2CUST) Careful... I did it once and since then I was plagued by random "Drive A: not ready" popups on boot. It is not pleasant. Rather create a folder, move the object to it, go to the command line and remove the directory (RD) corresponding to the folder. The name of the directory you have to remove is in folder's settings on the "File" page. Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/10/01 10:19 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:10:43 on 92/10/01 GMT (by USBC238 at OS2CUST) Subject: Cannot delete object Ref: Append at 14:21:48 on 92/10/01 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) The easiest way I found to delete non-deleteable objects is to move them to c:\nowhere. Once I found this out, I have never had any problems getting rid of things, and there have been no side effect that I can recall. Charles Boyce - US Bank, Portland OR ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:17:28 on 92/10/01 GMT (by ORTEGA at BCRVMPC1) Subject: Cannot delete object Ref: Append at 17:59:59 on 92/09/30 GMT (by IL78249 at OS2CUST) When you say you tried "DELETE" was that from the WPS? If you did do it from the WPS maybe this will work instead: 1) Create a Folder on the desktop, say TEMP 2) Drag the misbehaved program object into the TEMP folder 3) Open an OS/2 Command Prompt Window 4) From the command line change to the desktop directory if you are on a HPFS system the command would be CD "OS!2 2.0 Desktop" If you're on FAT, do a CD using the 8.3 name for the desktop. 5) Now delete the TEMP folder by using: RMDIR TEMP Hope this helps. Kerry Ortega Boca Raton,Fl ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:45:36 on 92/10/01 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Cannot delete object Ref: Append at 16:10:43 on 92/10/01 GMT (by USBC238 at OS2CUST) Where is Nowhere ? It is in my boot drive root directory, but in Icon view I can't make it to show up , even if I remove the 'less than H' from setting-include. How can I create a shadow of Nowhere to my desktop ? Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 NHO-32 801-7th Ave Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2P 2N6 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:50:58 on 92/10/01 GMT (by DAVISN at HOUVMSCC) Subject: associating .INF files Ref: Append at 19:02:02 on 92/09/30 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) For some incomprehensible reason, the Command Reference (in the Information folder) contains an association to *.INF (APAR PJ05638). Remove this association immediately and add it (association to *.INF) to \OS2\VIEW.EXE. Nathan Davis - IBM FSC Houston ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:12:37 on 92/10/01 GMT (by IL78249 at OS2CUST) Subject: Cannot delete object Ref: Append at 16:17:28 on 92/10/01 GMT (by ORTEGA at BCRVMPC1) I did an RD on the folder directory and got rid of the object. However, I still have a question as to how to reference a program reference object through a C program. I'm interested in developing a program that will install/update items on the desktop. However, the only APIs I can find will only return handles to file system objects (assuming the object doesn't have an object id). Does anybody know how to do what I want to do? Dave Sleep State Farm Insurance ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:51:17 on 92/10/01 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) Subject: associating .INF files Ref: Append at 19:50:58 on 92/10/01 GMT (by DAVISN at HOUVMSCC) Bingo! That did it. Thanks much. Tim Rice Legislative Information System (Illinois) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 22:42:27 on 92/10/01 GMT (by TAYLORJA at BCRVMPC1) Subject: Cannot delete object Ref: Append at 16:45:36 on 92/10/01 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Nowhere is a special place that we put things that should not ever show up.... Are you really sure you want to put a shadow of it on your desktop? James ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 23:07:45 on 92/10/01 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Cannot delete object Ref: Append at 22:42:27 on 92/10/01 GMT (by TAYLORJA at BCRVMPC1) I was just thinking about a safe garbage - collector. I'm sure don't want to drop 'by accident' anything over. (I might would try to drop the desktop <g>) Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 NHO-32 801-7th Ave Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2P 2N6 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:04:31 on 92/10/02 GMT (by XXTCAN19 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Cannot delete object Ref: Append at 17:59:59 on 92/09/30 GMT (by IL78249 at OS2CUST) I have also had this problem and got around it by sorting or arranging the folder after the new object was created, then deleting it. Rick Menard Transport Canada ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:35:14 on 92/10/05 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) Subject: icon placement within windows Is there a rhyme or reason to where icons are placed when they are added to a window? For instance, my Minimized Window Viewer has 4 or 5 icons that are most always in it. When I minimize an additional window, it may appear anywhere within the MWV window, often (and aggravatingly) overlapping an existing icon. The same thing happens with file folders. When a file is added to a folder, the icon often overlaps an existing icon, sometimes making it difficult to identify or even find. This occurs even though there is plenty of open space within the visible window. Is there something I can do about this? Thanks. Tim Rice Legislative Information System (Illinois) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:06:02 on 92/10/05 GMT (by TBROCK at BTVMANVM) Subject: icon placement within windows Ref: Append at 16:35:14 on 92/10/05 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) To keep sorted in minimized window viewer: Click right mouse button (upper left corner) Select settings Select sort Change the default sort attribute to what you want Check (Left mouse button) the Always maintain sort order box Close notebook Follow the same procedure for any folders that you want to maintain order in. Tom Brock ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:23:40 on 92/10/05 GMT (by SVRN018 at OS2CUST) Subject: Logon from Desktop Menu I have a user who (after I showed him how to add "OS/2 Window" to his Desktop Menu) decided to add "Logon" and "Logoff" from User Profile Managment Services. He did this by doing the Find,Locate,Click-on-the-UPMS-Folder routine. Now when he clicks on Logon he gets the message: "UPM0004C: The program failed to start. The Exit Codereturned from the program is : 15 " When he tries the Logoff he gets the same message but the returned code is "19". Any ideas? Brad Bueche NationsBank EUC/Hotline Technical Support Norfolk, VA ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:28:02 on 92/10/05 GMT (by PESOT at CARVM3) - Subject: Direct Manipulation Backup Does anyone out there know of a tool that will allow you to do a direct manipulation backup of folders? I want to drag and drop folders so that they are backed up to disk in case I ever need them later. Currently, OS/2 has problems if the folder contains more data than the disk can hold and it doesn't prompt for another disk. It just gives an error and warning. Any suggestions?????? Thanks, Joe Pesot (PESOT at CARVM3) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:44:02 on 92/10/05 GMT (by WESTON at TOROLAB5) Subject: No Settings Notebook for Desktop I was answering questions at an OS/2 demo booth at the ComputerFest in Toronto yesterday. One user of OS/2 2.0 GA mentioned a problem he has (but did not always have). The settings window will not come up on the screen for the desktop, or for ANY object containing objects. Since I had never encountered this myself, I didn't know what to suggest. Is this a known problem? How can he get things back to the way they once were? Any suggestions? Thanks. G.D.A. (David) Weston, NLTC - Toronto ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:53:19 on 92/10/05 GMT (by SWHALEN at DETVMIC6) Subject: Logon from Desktop Menu Ref: Append at 17:23:40 on 92/10/05 GMT (by SVRN018 at OS2CUST) Make sure of a couple of things for the LOGON icon. Path should be set to x:\MUGLIB\LOGON.EXE, and if you want automatic logon with userid and password (rather than to be prompted), fill-in the parameter space with USERID /P:PASSWORD. Since I forgot to mention it, this is all on the first page of the Settings Notebook for the LOGON Icon from the User Profile Management Folder. Hope this helps, and/or what you were looking for! SEAN M. WHALEN, TEAMOS2 Lake Erie Coastal, Cleveland ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:01:09 on 92/10/05 GMT (by SWHALEN at DETVMIC6) Subject: Logon from Desktop Menu Ref: Append at 17:23:40 on 92/10/05 GMT (by SVRN018 at OS2CUST) Now that I re-read your append, I see that you wanted to add it to the Desktop Menu. What I did for that is to create a LOGME.CMD file, such as "LOGON USERID /P:PASSWORD" and in the settings for the menu option, point to the LOGME.CMD file. This works for me. If you try to point to the LOGON.EXE from \MUGLIB, you cannot put any additional parameters with LOGON.EXE or the "add program to menu" will not work (can't find LOGON.EXE with parameters). Hope this helps. SEAN M. WHALEN, TEAMOS2 Lake Erie Coastal, Cleveland ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:04:45 on 92/10/05 GMT (by XXBCSC05 at TORVMCOP) Subject: No Settings Notebook for Desktop Ref: Append at 17:44:02 on 92/10/05 GMT (by WESTON at TOROLAB5) I has this problem with the desktop settings last week too. When I brought up the window list the settings window was listed but when I clicked on it, it didn't display; I could close it however. I finally did manage to get the settings notebook to come up. I'm not sure what made the difference. Beating on the mouse seemed to help though. ;-) Carl Forde cforde@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:07:57 on 92/10/05 GMT (by DAVISN at HOUVMSCC) Subject: No Settings Notebook for Desktop Ref: Append at 17:44:02 on 92/10/05 GMT (by WESTON at TOROLAB5) Chances are that the Settings windows actually do come up, just off screen and sized to invisibility. The immediate work-around is to select the Settings view from the Window list (to activate it), then press Alt+F7 (move) or Alt+F8 (size) to show the window and make it large enough to use. The user should then, at the first opportunity, - shutdown - reboot from the Install disk + disk 1, - at the Welcome screen, press Esc to get a command prompt, - put Disk 2 in the diskette drive - run CHKDSK C: /F (/F:3 if using HPFS) at least two times. (ignore messages about allocation errors on SWAPPER.DAT) This should clean up whatever needed cleaning up, and the Settings pages should appear properly. Nathan Davis - IBM FSC Houston ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:32:42 on 92/10/06 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) -- Subject: Logon from Desktop Menu Ref: Append at 17:23:40 on 92/10/05 GMT (by SVRN018 at OS2CUST) Ref: Append at 13:38:21 on 92/08/28 GMT (by KEHN at CARVM3) See my append referenced above. Dan Kehn ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:27:40 on 92/10/06 GMT (by TCSC086 at HONE83) Subject: Logon from Desktop Menu Ref: Append at 19:01:09 on 92/10/05 GMT (by SWHALEN at DETVMIC6) This profile discussion reminded me of an outstanding request.... Could someone (IBM ) please upload the ICONS that are supposed to be with the UPM programs. I read that they didn't get shipped out in ES but are part of the Lan Server package. Not being a LAN Server user...I would like them anyway. We do use UPM for RDS etc.... Dan Lundy Time Customer Service Tampa Fl ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:55:56 on 92/10/06 GMT (by FVXB533 at OS2CUST) Subject: User Definable Types Is there a way to add user-definable types to the list of "Available Types" that comes up when setting the "Associations" for an object (datafile, program, etc.). Frank Valdivieso ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:43:02 on 92/10/07 GMT (by WZ00624 at OS2CUST) Subject: Associating an icon to a group of objects ? Ref: Append at 11:47:20 on 92/07/31 GMT (by XXCDSX26 at TORVMCOP) Is anyone aware if the SP will include the ability to associate data files to the program object (by NAME) and will display the program object for the data files instead of the default object icon. It would be ideal to have a choice for the data file icon on the program settings page. If this functionality is not expected, where can I obtain the REXX utility that is discussed earlier in this thread? Chris Knoell (MGH) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 22:25:19 on 92/10/07 GMT (by EWART at TOROLAB6) Subject: Cannot delete object Ref: Append at 14:21:48 on 92/10/01 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) And how did you get rid of the "Drive A: Not Ready" popup? Graham Ewart ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 03:13:17 on 92/10/08 GMT (by WZ00508 at LINK21) Subject: OS2.ini & os2sys.ini backup Ref: Append at 18:00:08 on 92/09/28 GMT (by IL69655 at OS2CUST) There is a shareware program on many BBS's called INIMAINT that will do this, it works great, we also use it to save and restore sections in OS2.INI from apps like PMWORD. Dwight Warak, First Data Resources, Omaha NE ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:16:13 on 92/10/08 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: Cannot delete object Ref: Append at 22:25:19 on 92/10/07 GMT (by EWART at TOROLAB6) Since I installed the kernel from the beta 32bit GRE, the problem went away... Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/10/08 09:15 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:40:55 on 92/10/08 GMT (by PWIS110 at OS2CUST) Subject: COPYING PART OF THE DESKTOP... Is there a way to copy say...10 program objects, notebook settings and icons onto diskette and load them on another machine? 5 of the objects are programs running in DOS full screens and the other 5 objects are programs running in OS/2 full screens. I need to copy these 10 objects/settings/icons to 300 machines! All of the machines are FAT with a single partition, and dual boot. Copying these 10 objects manually would be a pain. If there is not an automated way to do this today, does IBM (or someone else) have any plans to provide a way to do this in the future? I do NOT want to completely replace one desktop with another. A full replace solves one problem but creates many others. Monico ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:14:13 on 92/10/08 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) Subject: COPYING PART OF THE DESKTOP... Ref: Append at 18:40:55 on 92/10/08 GMT (by PWIS110 at OS2CUST) The easiest is to create a small REXX file which creates the objects and folders. You can find a great deal of examples in the REXX Cforum Geza Szivos NOVACOR Chemicals (403)-290-6583 Fax (403)-290-5900 NHO-32 801-7th Ave Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2P 2N6 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:43:58 on 92/10/08 GMT (by PER518 at OS2CUST) Subject: COPYING PART OF THE DESKTOP... Ref: Append at 19:14:13 on 92/10/08 GMT (by XXNOVA24 at TORVMCOP) One thing that might be of use... LMU/2. I dont have a copy but its on my wish list. LMU/2 Lan Management Utilities/2. This is from an IBM ad - "Convert configuration .INI files to and from readable ASCII text." I also remember reading something about a new release of this. Eric Ilsley ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 00:19:32 on 92/10/09 GMT (by IL53645 at OS2CUST) Subject: Re-Install-New Shell I added a 400 MB drive, x-copied all files from the old 160 MB to the new 400 a nd had problems IPL'ing, so I re-installed V2.0 but did not use my upgraded dis kettes from v1.3. Instead, I used a new set just received for another system I am putting together. The workplace shell looks a lot different after the inst all. I copied my old os*.ini files and ended up with folders from the new inst all and group icons from the original. There is also no 'SHUTDOWN' in the desk top menu. How can I get that back? I have combined all the folders and the gr oups into just one copy with the correct contents, but cannot save the config. The text is different and the icons are smaller. Syslevel shows XR02000 for bo th the Base operating system, the Graphics Engine, and User Profile Managment. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:53:10 on 92/10/09 GMT (by HALLERMA at BCRVMPC1) Subject: COPYING PART OF THE DESKTOP... Ref: Append at 18:40:55 on 92/10/08 GMT (by PWIS110 at OS2CUST) One thing you might want to look at is the PARSEDB utility (documented in section 7.6 of Volume 2 of the OS/2 2.0 Redbooks). It lets you create a Customized Migration Database that you can then propogate to each machine. It doesn't handle the icons, but a simple REXX procedure could add those. Mel Hallerman ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:25:38 on 92/10/09 GMT (by MAGID at BCRVMPC1) Subject: User Definable Types Ref: Append at 15:55:56 on 92/10/06 GMT (by FVXB533 at OS2CUST) The best method today is to create a bogus program reference in Rexx as follows: SysCreateObject( "WPProgram", "Title", "<WP_DESKTOP",, "EXENAME=*;ASSOCTYPE=Type1,Type2,Type3" ) Or, if it is for your application, you can define an ASSOCTABLE in your resource file and the shell will add those types to the system types. - Peter G. Magid, PM Window Management & Work Place Shell ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:42:14 on 92/10/09 GMT (by JMFD736 at OS2CUST) Subject: Icons not updating after edit I have a machine that the icons are not refreshing on the desktop after they are edited. The icon editor displays the icon as if it was changed but the desktop only shows the original. Any ideas? Jay Friedrich, Caterpillar Inc. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:33:26 on 92/10/09 GMT (by IL22359 at OS2CUST) Subject: Dis-allowing changes to workplace shell for use on a network Is it possbile to create icons on the workplace and "Nail" them down, so they d o not move when the Arrange or Sort menu item is selected. I would like to pla ce some icons in positions on the screen that do not re-locate, but still be ab le to re-arrange the others. If this is not supported, will it be supported in the 2.01 release, I can do this type of function in Windows 3.1 but I cannot seem to be able to do it in OS/2 2.0. Also, is there any way to create a unchangeable workplace for Network users to share. This is also something that Windows can do, but I cannot seem to find a way to do with OS/2. Too many of my users seem to get messed up by changing the workplace. We do not have enough support staff to constantly run around fixing workplace problem s. I want to run a homogeneous workplace off of my Novell Network like I do with windows. That way when I add an application to the net, I don't have to run around to 300 workstations to update the workplace. This is a serious deficienccy in OS/2!! Bob Nahrstadt, Spiegel, Inc. 708-769-3045 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:07:52 on 92/10/09 GMT (by PWIS110 at OS2CUST) Subject: COPYING PART OF THE DESKTOP... Thanks Mel. PARSEDB looks pretty good, however I do have a problem with the FOLDER token. If I specify a folder within a folder i.e. CASE\CODEGEN the migration fails even though PARSEDB appears to succeed. Does the FOLDER token allow for a folder within a folder? I could not find any examples in the documentation where FOLDER is specified, let alone a folder within a folder. I have no problem using migrate when I specify a single folder i.e. CASE Your advice and suggestions have been quite valuable! i.e. changing vga card from 16 to 8 bit at install time... i.e. changing from IRQ5 to IRQ7 for LPT1... and now PARSEDB. You are highly respected on this board as well as Prodigy. Sorry about the double post (OS2BBS and PRODIGY). G. Monico ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:39:09 on 92/10/09 GMT (by HAMMOND at RCHVMV) Subject: Icons not updating after edit Ref: Append at 16:42:14 on 92/10/09 GMT (by JMFD736 at OS2CUST) There are (at least?) two forms of each icon. If you are using an 8514 adapter you need to be sure that you save that form of the icon - otherwise you are only changing the VGA version. Maybe someone else can give you more info. Pat Hammond ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:12:15 on 92/10/09 GMT (by HALLERMA at BCRVMPC1) Subject: COPYING PART OF THE DESKTOP... Ref: Append at 18:07:52 on 92/10/09 GMT (by PWIS110 at OS2CUST) No, the FOLDER token is just a string specifying the name of the folder. This does not include a path. The directory is specified by DEF_DIR. The fact that PARSEDB allows a name with a backslash in it IS a defect, and you can submit a problem report against it (and ask for better documentation). The fix will be low priority, since you now know to avoid the problem <grin>. Mel Hallerman ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:18:01 on 92/10/09 GMT (by PER518 at OS2CUST) Subject: Dis-allowing changes to workplace shell for use on a network Ref: Append at 17:33:26 on 92/10/09 GMT (by IL22359 at OS2CUST) Please add my voice to the crowd of technical support staffers that would like a means to lock the workplace shell settings or part there of. I have asked this as early as the eep code for the workplace shell. If someone can comment on the previous postings about a security package for wps please do. I seem to recall it might have come from IBM England???? Eric Ilsley ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:18:43 on 92/10/09 GMT (by IL53645 at OS2CUST) Subject: Odd icons after re-install I reinstalled OS2 after an adding a new hard disk to my system and xcopying fro m the old to the new. Bad idea. I followed the instructions to rebuild the de sktop by makinging new os2*.ini files, dropping wp root. sf, deleting the old d esktop directories and rebooting. When the desktop was rebuilt all the shadow icons have a small grey boxes in the upper left corner and the lower right corn er with a broken line connecting the two boxes. Has anyone else seen this and if so what is it? ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:58:16 on 92/10/09 GMT (by PSC44 at OS2CUST) Subject: Moving Folders with REXX I need to move folders within folders via REXX or a C program. The reason is to standardize the look for the user community. I have tried using the REXX function SysCreateObject with the UpdateIfExists option to change the Title of a folder as a start. If this worked I would then try the Location. In both the REXX and C code, the return code is good but the Title remains unchanged. Is this the correct means to accomplish the task? I have the REXXUTILs dated the end of June and the SOMFIX dated 8-19-92. Any advice would be appreciated. Joe Magrino Prodigy Services Company Joe Magrino ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 22:56:34 on 92/10/10 GMT (by RRKURTZ at PKEDVM9) Subject: Copying Desktop objects from one OS/2 partition to another I installed OS2GRWIN in my E: partition. I have OS/2 2.0 GA in F:. I tried to copy my OS/2 Apps folder from F:\OS!2 2.0 Desktop to E:. The folder copied but was empty. I did this using the Drives Object booted from E:. Should this work? Seemes like an easy way to copy my stuff from one place to another. Dick Kurtz ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:59:40 on 92/10/12 GMT (by HEGDEJA at MSNVM1) Subject: Lost the contents of application folders I seem to have lost all the information in my application folders. Is there anyway i can restore them back? Btw my system had been turned off without a SHUTDOWN and then (reboot) i got a blank screen. I tried to recreate the OS2.INI i got back all the desktop icons but lost all the application folder contents. Thanks for your help. Regards, Jairaj ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 01:33:33 on 92/10/13 GMT (by AAAF0CY at OS2CUST) Subject: objects from one OS/2 partition to another Ref: Append at 22:56:34 on 92/10/10 GMT (by RRKURTZ at PKEDVM9) With the GA code, we periodically have folders or icons disappear on user machines. To recreate them, we just copy a subdirectory to a network drive and copy it back to the other machine (using XCOPY c:\os!2_2.0_d\template i: /s /e, for example. Be sure to use the /e so that the empty directory gets created.) I haven't tried copying from the GA to the beta code, so I don't know if that works, but it show assuming that the EA's are the same. I'll try it with the beta code and let you know what happens. Jim Sauber, MN Mutual ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 01:39:52 on 92/10/13 GMT (by AAAF0CY at OS2CUST) Subject: Ref: Append at 00:19:32 on 92/10/09 GMT (by IL53645 at OS2CUST) I've done something similar. Unfortunately, the only way to get back, especially to get the correct desktop menu, is to rebuild the desktop. You can do this 2 ways, one would be if you have access to a network server that supports extended attributes (i.e. LAN Server or LAN Manager), to copy the desktop subdirectory from someone else's machine to the server. Then copy the files from the server to your machine. Be sure to use the "/e" parameter on the xcopy to make sure that the empty directories and their Extended Attributes get copied. A much easier route is to use a tool called WPSBKUP3. Using this you can backup the workplace shell from another machine and restore it to your machine. I don't remember if this ison this BBS, but I think it is on the NSC BBS. If you can't find it there, let me know and I can get you a copy. A third option is to use the Alt-F1 (or whatever the key combination is) documented in the c:\readme file that recreates the .ini files and recreates the desktop. The key is that the OS!2_2.0_D subdirectory needs to be recreated. Jim Sauber, MN Mutual ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 01:46:38 on 92/10/13 GMT (by RRKURTZ at PKEDVM9) Subject: objects from one OS/2 partition to another Ref: Append at 01:33:33 on 92/10/13 GMT (by AAAF0CY at OS2CUST) Jim, I understand about XCOPY and use it in my own Desktop save REXX program but I was wondering why using drives does not work. I was hoping I'd done something wrong :-( Dick Kurtz ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:38:58 on 92/10/13 GMT (by IL04688 at HONE83) Subject: WPSBKUP3 Ref: Append at 01:39:52 on 92/10/13 GMT (by AAAF0CY at OS2CUST) Jim, I downloaded ALLFILES.zip from NSC BBS and searched for WPS and BKU but could not find WPSBKUP3. I've also been looking for EABKUP without success. I don't have access to Compu$erv. Does anyone know of a BBS that would have these files. (One located in the western United States would be a plus.) Thanks. Leo Tornow, Northwest Pipeline, SLC UT ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:33:24 on 92/10/13 GMT (by GOBEILLE at WSCVM) Subject: WPSBKUP3 Ref: Append at 15:38:58 on 92/10/13 GMT (by IL04688 at HONE83) Leo, Look for WPSBKUP in any of its flavors (the most current is WPSBKUP4.ZIP). (Your board might have an earlier or later version than WPSBKUP3). And, there are several BBSs in the western US that have good collections of OS/2 shareware -- if no one beats me to it, I'll upload the numbers of a couple tonight (I have my lists at home, not at work. Sorry). Janet Gobeille, Gaithersburg ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 23:29:23 on 92/10/13 GMT (by PMS7508 at MARTLINK) Subject: to workplace shell for use on a network Ref: Append at 21:18:01 on 92/10/09 GMT (by PER518 at OS2CUST) There is a "Restricted Shell" offering out of IBM Australia. As I understand it, IBM United States has not picked up support for it at this time. Rumor has it that the package is also expensive...about $25K per site. The may be OK for a large business, but I would like to have this capability on my home PC (Gateway 2000 486/33C). Can anyone at IBM shed further light on the situation with this offering ? John Baker, Policy Management Systems Corporation ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 02:50:56 on 92/10/14 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE81) Subject: WPSBKUP3 Ref: Append at 15:38:58 on 92/10/13 GMT (by IL04688 at HONE83) Leo, The WPBKUP isn't on the NSC BBS that I know of it and the EA program you are looking for are available on the OS/2 Shareware BBS in VA at 703-385-4325. THe following BBS numbers where lifted from the PS2ASST Phone Number BBS Name 31-20-6974757 (Netherlands) IBM OS/2 Support BBS ║ 31-79-424107 (Netherlands) PC-Square BBS (Fernwood Distribution Europe) ║ 33-1-6409-0460 (France) OS/2 Mania BBS 34-1-519-4645 (Madrid, Spain) Icaro BBS 44-4545-633197 (UK) MonuSci CBCS (OS/2 User Group BBS) Europe) ║ 54-1-742-3674 (Argentina) OS/2 & Sound BBS 61-2-234-2466 (Australia) OS/2 Sydney BBS 203-483-0348 (Connecticut) Fernwood BBS 205-883-1308 Occam's Razor ║ 213-494-6168 (California) BLUEzz BBS 214-578-8774 (Dallas, Texas) Megasys BBS 215-879-3310 (California) Optical Illusion BBS 301-680-7792 (Maryland) Medlantic BBS 302-477-0236 (Wilmington, Delaware) Delaware Valley OS/2 User's Group BBS rope) ║ 314-554-9313 (St. Louis, Missouri) Gateway/2 OS/2 BBS T/L 775-9313 (Internal Tie Line) 404-471-1549 (Atlanta, Georgia) Information Overload BBS 404-835-6600 (Atlanta, Georgia) IBM National Support Center BBS T/L 269-6600 (Internal Tie Line) 503-883-8197 (Oregon) Multi-Net BBS (Multi-Net Communications) e) ║ 510-657-7948 (Fremont, California) Bay Area OS/2 BBS 514-374-9422 (Montreal, Canada) Logistique BBS (Logicomm) 619-558-9475 (California) OS/2 Connection BBS 703-323-7654 (Virginia) System's Exchange 703-385-4325, or OS/2 Shareware BBS 703-385-0931 (Virginia) 703-560-5616 (Virginia) Life's Like That 708-895-4042 (Chicago, Illinois) Greater Chicago Area Online 713-437-2859 (Texas) Soldier's Bored BBS 714-963-8517 (California) Omega-point BBS 817-485-8042 (Texas) Ruck's Place/2 CBCS 818-706-9805 (California) Magnum BBS (Gilmore Systems) 901-386-4712 (Tennesee) WSI BBS (Wilkes Database software) ons) e) ║ 904-682-1620 (Florida) Wizard's Opus BBS 916-929-3237 (Sacramento, California) DeTail BBS (DeScribe, Inc.) 919-226-6984 (North Carolina) Programmer's Oasis BBS (your local CIS phone number) IBM OS/2 Forum on CompuServe (type: ns) e) ║ GO IBMOS2) (your local Prodigy phone number) Prodigy Service, Inc. Jack Hiatt Marc Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:43:59 on 92/10/14 GMT (by FVXB533 at OS2CUST) Subject: Types Ref: Append at 15:25:38 on 92/10/09 GMT (by MAGID at BCRVMPC1) Thanks Peter for the information. I'll give it a try and let you know how it turns out. Frank Valdivieso ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:05:56 on 92/10/14 GMT (by ZECHES at ALMADEN) Subject: Master Help Index ran EMPTY !!! Hi, I just noticed that my Master Help Index was not parsing anymore the help files which exist in the HELP environment variable. When I open it, I come up with an empty list. More interesting, it seems that this problem is epidemic on several machines I have been using, whereas another machine on which OS/2 2.0 was freshly installed, the Index works normally. Any hints on the causes of the problem, and how to solve it ? Thanks in advance, Nicolas Zeches ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:16:36 on 92/10/14 GMT (by ZECHES at ALMADEN) Subject: Setting up the Default Icon Form to display I am using OS/2 2.0 on a PS/2 model 95 with an XGA Adapter. I noticed that some of my icons sometimes appear in a gray color, where they should appear green, blue, or whatever color. I tried to edit one icon from the Settings-General Notebook page, and I noticed that several display forms are present within this icon file. Obviously, the system chooses the VGA independent form. I would like to use another form. Is there any way of setting up the WPS, so that it uses one given form in every icon ? If not how can I tell the WPS to use such or such form for a given icon ? Thanks in advance, Nicolas Zeches ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 22:23:42 on 92/10/14 GMT (by JDGILL at BOSTON) Subject: Distributing objects over LANs What is the accepted procedure for distributing objects over LANs. We have many tools to deliver files and groups of files. What about with SOM? JDGILL at BOSTON USIB26BH at IBMMAIL * ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:35:05 on 92/10/15 GMT (by TKAL at PKEDVM9) - Subject: Master Help Index ran EMPTY !!! Ref: Append at 21:05:56 on 92/10/14 GMT (by ZECHES at ALMADEN) I believe it's a known problem (don't know problem number). It has something to do with the HELP setting - if too many entries are indicated (not just paths concatenated, but help files found in those paths) the index shows up empty. The most common cause I've seen is installing the toolkit. Try removing the toolkit path from your HELP setting, re-IPL, and see if it comes back. -- Erik Tkal -- HSM System and Service Consoles -- TEAMOS2 -- ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:52:48 on 92/10/15 GMT (by FORD at BCRVMPC1) Subject: Master Help Index ran EMPTY !!! Ref: Append at 21:05:56 on 92/10/14 GMT (by ZECHES at ALMADEN) This is a known problem, the problem being that you have too many help files in your HELP path. The workaround is to open the settings for the Master Index and change the "Files/Environment" field to be: C:\OS2\HELP\WPINDEX.HLP This answer assumes you have installed OS/2 on drive. If not, change the drive letter appropriately. Ann Ford IBM OS/2 IPF Development ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:16:49 on 92/10/15 GMT (by PWIS110 at OS2CUST) Subject: COPYING PART OF THE DESKTOP... MEL, I am a little confused by your explanation of FOLDER and DEF_DIR. Please correct me if my interpretation is incorrect. 1. FOLDER specifies (where on the DESKTOP) the PROGRAM-OBJECT (ICON) will be placed by the migration utility. My experience shows that a folder within a folder is NOT supported. For example, I CAN tell PARSEDB and the Migrate Utility I want the PROGRAM-OBJECT to be created/placed into a folder called LEVELA on the desktop but I CAN'T request the PROGRAM-OBJECT be placed into a folder called LEVELB which happens to already exist under the LEVELA folder. FOLDER has nothing to do with specifying where the PROGRAM (.EXE, .BAT or .CMD) exists on the hard drive. In a nutshell, FOLDER tells the migrate utility where to put the icon display which can be clicked on to launch the program. No FOLDER specified will cause the migrate utility to place the object's icon display in the DOS PROGRAMS folder (if its a DOS pgm), or the OS2 PROGRAMS folder (if its an OS2 pgm). 2. DEF_DIR specifies where the PROGRAM (.EXE, .BAT, or .CMD) exists on the hard drive. DEF_DIR has nothing to do with the folder/window where the migrate utility will place the PROGRAM-OBJECT (ICON) to be clicked on. Regarding PARSEDB allowing "a name with a backslash", you might want to think twice about making this a low priority. After experimenting with the PARSEDB command through about 15 interations, I started experencing a "crippled" desktop at boot up. For example, missing icons, locked keyboard, inactive mouse. I re-booted with the install diskettes and did a chkdsk. 16K of Extended Attributes were lost. After running CHKDSK C: /F and re-booting, everything started working normally again. The CHKDSK created 3 files in the root. One was called EA00000.CHK (I think....I can't be sure right now because I'm on a different PC). Anyway, the upshot is I am pretty sure the "loose" error checking in PARSEDB may have given me a false message that PARSEDB was successful. Then, at migrate time, the extended attributes were zapped by the bad migration file....just a feeling. I can't prove it. Please let me know if my interpretions of FOLDER and DEF_DIR are for the most part accurate. G. Monico ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:15:41 on 92/10/15 GMT (by MAAV7IB at HONE81) Subject: Refreshing resource labels in the Network folder I'm using LAN Services/2 with an OS/2 1.3 LAN Server. I'd noticed that the resource descriptions in the Network folder where rather long so I updated them on on the Server (mostly so they'd be shorter). How do I get the Network folder to show me the updates? It was also showing a server that had been removed. I dropped the icon on the shredder and that took care of the problem. Was that the right thing to do? I did the same thing with a deleted printer resource. Both showed a status of 'unavailable' in their settings. I'm temped to drag the other network resource icons to the shredder, but I don't know how I'd get them back (hopefully with the updated text). Back before V2.0, the descriptions didn't matter very much. Now that they are plainly visible, I'm more carefull. I just don't no how to see the updates. Kevin Miller, The Capital Group, Inc. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:16:07 on 92/10/15 GMT (by MAAV7IB at HONE81) Subject: Adding Popup menu options I've added the 'OS/2 Window' to my desktop popup menu. I've configured the OS/2 Window to 'create new window' open behavior. When I use it from the popup menu, it won't create a new instance. It returns me to the first one created. So I've created a cascading menu with 3 OS/2 Windows in it (and copied 3 instances of the Command Prompts 'OS/2 Window' to another location). I'd rather not do this (it adds complexity). I usually return to other OS/2 Windows through the Window List. So I'd like the popup entry to create new ones. I suppose I could get a .CMD file to do a START or something, but that adds complexity and the window title is 'CMD.EXE', not 'OS/2 Window'. Kevin Miller, The Capital Group, Inc. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:34:27 on 92/10/15 GMT (by GOBEILLE at WSCVM) Subject: Adding Popup menu options Ref: Append at 19:16:07 on 92/10/15 GMT (by MAAV7IB at HONE81) Kevin, the trick here (as I've been told) is that programs imbedded in the desktop (this includes all menu items, even though they refer to objects in folders) obey the desktop settings for 'create new' or 'display existing'. So, change the DESKTOP settings for this behavior and your menu item will work the way you want it too (I have my 4OS2 window in my menu too... love it being that accessible). One other thing that this will enable: you can now open a second icon view of your desktop, size it and place it like any other open folder, and now have a desktop that you can bring to the surface. Click on it and it rises to the top so you can FIND your shredder, etc. Janet Gobeille, Gaithersburg/Washington Systems Center ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:53:50 on 92/10/15 GMT (by V$IGBERT at AUSVM1) Subject: Adding Popup menu options Ref: Append at 19:16:07 on 92/10/15 GMT (by MAAV7IB at HONE81) It's working as designed. When you start an application (in your case the OS/2 Window) from an object's menu (the Desktop), the WPS passes the object's path to the app and treats the resulting window as a view *of the object*. In your case, the OS/2 window is seen as a view *of the desktop*, not as a view of the OS/2 Window object; it will respect the Object Open behavior set in the *Desktop's* window settings. This also explains why the "OS/2 Window" entry is listed among the Desktop's views in the Window List. Giovanni Bertolini ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 23:52:44 on 92/10/15 GMT (by XXBCSC05 at TORVMCOP) Subject: Adding Popup menu options Ref: Append at 19:53:50 on 92/10/15 GMT (by V$IGBERT at AUSVM1) I put CMD.EXE under the desktop popup menu. When I click on it I get the window as expected but something is written across the top line, which is quickly covered by the help bar. Whatever it is continues onto the second line, which says: 'command processor in the path specified'. What causes this? Can it be changed? Carl Forde cforde@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:04:03 on 92/10/16 GMT (by SHAFFERD at WMAVM7) Subject: Adding Popup menu options Ref: Append at 23:52:44 on 92/10/15 GMT (by XXBCSC05 at TORVMCOP) Open the settings of the cmd.exe and put % in the parameters field. Then try it again, this should take care of it... -Shaffer ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:10:04 on 92/10/16 GMT (by SHAFFERD at WMAVM7) Subject: Adding Popup menu options Ref: Append at 19:16:07 on 92/10/15 GMT (by MAAV7IB at HONE81) To correct the Window Title problem instead of using cmd.exe I use the OS/2 Window program object in the command prompts folder. When adding to the Desktop's primary pop-up menu find the OS/2 Window program object in the command prompts folder instead of the cmd.exe. You will need to add the % in parameters same as if you were using cmd.exe. -Shaffer ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:31:45 on 92/10/16 GMT (by AYP1Q01 at HONE81) Subject: Adding Popup menu options Ref: Append at 23:52:44 on 92/10/15 GMT (by XXBCSC05 at TORVMCOP) Carl, I, too, got this strange message concerning the command processor and the path when I entered CMD.EXE (or E.EXE, or whatever) directly in the Program Name field. What you need to do is use the Find option to Locate the OS/2 Window in your Command Prompts folder and use that. It is easiest if you open the folder - you can minimize it if you want - before clicking on the Find and Locate buttons. I believe what the system does is append the current path to the command stream when it opens the object, so CMD.EXE is looking for a .CMD file to execute and it cannot find one. Or something like that - maybe someone in the know would care to comment. In any case, using a Program Reference rather than the executable program name gets you past that obstacle. By the way, just for completeness, you can add a shortcut key to the menu entry by using "OS/2 ~Window" as the title. The tilde notifies the system that the following character is a shortcut keystroke. Steve Bassler, Allegheny Power ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 12:39:15 on 92/10/16 GMT (by F0JASKUS at DCTVM1) Subject: WinCreateObject( "WPPrinter", ...) ? I would like to create a WPPrinter object on the desktop. I want to use the WinCreateObject function. Is it possible? I think there are some secial Setup keynames/values to define the printer. Does anybody know it? Christophe JAGUSIAK. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:06:08 on 92/10/16 GMT (by FORD at BCRVMPC1) Subject: Master Help Index ran EMPTY !!! Ref: Append at 12:35:05 on 92/10/15 GMT (by TKAL at PKEDVM9) Warning, if you use this method, help may no longer work for the applications you remove the path. Use this suggestion with care. Ann Ford ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 22:14:25 on 92/10/16 GMT (by DAVISN at HOUVMSCC) Subject: Adding Popup menu options Ref: Append at 23:52:44 on 92/10/15 GMT (by XXBCSC05 at TORVMCOP) Items added to a folder's menu are executed with the folder name as a parameter. In your case, what is being executed is CMD.EXE OS!2_2.0_D (or the long version of the desktop name on HPFS systems). This is not a valid parameter for CMD.EXE, so it gives an error message and continues. To eliminate it, instead of adding CMD.EXE to the Desktop menu, add the OS/2 Windowed Command Prompt from the OS/2 System->Command Prompts folder (use the Find program... button). Then open the Command Prompt's settings window and put % in the Parameters field (This will eat any parameters passed to the object). Nathan Davis - IBM FSC Houston ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:59:47 on 92/10/19 GMT (by LSHICK at LSAVMIC4) Subject: Restricted Workplace Shell Some weeks ago, Neil Stokes posted an append indicating that IBM Australia had developed a Restricted Workplace Shell, which alters the function of the WPS by allowing administrators to password-protect folders, mark objects as not deleteable or moveable, and alter the function of network folders. That product is now "looking for a home" in the US, and the OS/2 Application Assistance Center is currently evaluating whether they want that mission. If your customer is interested in the functions outlined above (Neil suggested a price of $25K per enterprise), IBMers drop a note to Renee Lai, LAI @ DALVM41B and give her details. For more information on the Restricted Workplace Shell, IBMers send a note to Neil Stokes, NSTOKES @ SYDVM1. This append cross-filed in OS2WPS CFORUM. Larry Shick LSHICK @ LSAVMIC4 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:41:57 on 92/10/20 GMT (by MAAV7IB at HONE86) Subject: Refreshing resource labels in the Network folder Ref: Append at 19:15:41 on 92/10/15 GMT (by MAAV7IB at HONE81) I ended up shredding the server icons and getting them back (with the updated descriptions) by using the "Access another ..." popup menu item. I was then able to select the server and it's folders were re-created. It also put a shadow fo the server on the desktop (which I shredded). Kevin Miller, The Capital Group, Inc. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:02:03 on 92/10/20 GMT (by IL11901 at OS2CUST) Subject: Adding Popup menu options Ref: Append at 22:14:25 on 92/10/16 GMT (by DAVISN at HOUVMSCC) (no text entered) Steve Dacek - Soft & GUI Inc ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:12:08 on 92/10/20 GMT (by IL11901 at OS2CUST) Subject: Adding Popup menu options Ref: Append at 22:14:25 on 92/10/16 GMT (by DAVISN at HOUVMSCC) I've been able to do lots of things with computers, but it seems sending private messages on this board is beyond me, so apologies for the open, blatant plug<g>: Anyone, anyone who has gone to lengths of setting up an OS/2 Window entry on the shell menu, or leaves "spare" OS/2 icons around, etc, etc, should check out our CommandLine 2.0 software. It'll give you a hotkey, PM based,enhanced command prompt, support for your choice of command processor,REXX expressions interpreter, instant directory folder pop-ups (without going through Drives), hotkey application starting and switching and much much more. Looking forward to hearing from you guys. Arthur Goikhman -- Soft & GUI Inc ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 23:17:37 on 92/10/20 GMT (by CAR2011 at HONE85) Subject: Minimize Folder After Firing off PGM Ref: Append at 13:21:02 on 92/09/04 GMT (by JKW9590 at OS2CUST) Remember in OS/2 v1.3 one could fire off a program from a menu, and that menu would automatically minimize? Is there a way that this can be done in v2.0? I like a clean desktop, and upon starting a program (or even an editing session), it would be nice if the folder that contained the started program would minimize (or close). I spent this night browsing this forum, only getting about half way, so I apologize if this querry is old news !?! Thanks - PS: I access OS2BBS via IBMLink. Today I downloaded FORBROWS and it is EXCELLENT (much preferred over the mainframe interface). Good job! Peter Ricciardiello Carrier Corporation, in * * Snowy * * Syracuse, NY ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 23:33:18 on 92/10/20 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE81) Subject: Adding Popup menu options Ref: Append at 18:12:08 on 92/10/20 GMT (by IL11901 at OS2CUST) Arthur, It's not really that hard. I managed to figure out how to do it ONCE. Jack Hiatt Marc Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 02:24:46 on 92/10/21 GMT (by IL11901 at OS2CUST) Subject: Adding Popup menu options Ref: Append at 23:33:18 on 92/10/20 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE81) You may be alone, Jack<g>. Fancy seeing you here. OK, I really did try to send a private message, but it keeps saying all the user IDs I specified are invalid. Upon viewing the list of available ID's, you find none of them are the ones you just saw a message from. What gives? Arthur Goikhman -- Soft & GUI Inc ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 03:33:14 on 92/10/21 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE81) Subject: Adding Popup menu options Ref: Append at 02:24:46 on 92/10/21 GMT (by IL11901 at OS2CUST) Arthur, I don't know if all the users are in that list for Email or not, I've only used it once or twice and have usually found the folks I was looking for. Since the release of FORBROWS/PMHPO I very seldom even get into the OS2BBS itself except to look for new files. Jack Hiatt Marc Life Atlanta Ga. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:34:50 on 92/10/21 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) Subject: icon placement within windows Ref: Append at 17:06:02 on 92/10/05 GMT (by TBROCK at BTVMANVM) Thanks, Tom. Sorry to be so long in replying. That seems to have done the trick. Tim Rice Legislative Information System (Illinois) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 21:47:15 on 92/10/21 GMT (by BRENT at DALVM41B) Subject: Adding Popup menu options Ref: Append at 03:33:14 on 92/10/21 GMT (by IL26761 at HONE81) The list of userids for sending Email to on the OS2BBS are only the customer id's that are actually ON the BBS. IBMers and Canadian IBMLink customers who participate on the forums from there own system are not listed. Email is only within the BBS itself. Brent Allen - IBM LAN Systems Integration Services Southlake, TX ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:07:46 on 92/10/22 GMT (by IL11901 at OS2CUST) Subject: Adding Popup menu options Ref: Append at 21:47:15 on 92/10/21 GMT (by BRENT at DALVM41B) I've tried sending Email to an ID that was listed under the append (actually, several IDs). Each one of them listed invalid. Arthur Goikhman -- Soft & GUI Inc ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 14:59:12 on 92/10/22 GMT (by BRENT at DALVM41B) Subject: Adding Popup menu options Ref: Append at 14:07:46 on 92/10/22 GMT (by IL11901 at OS2CUST) I'm not sure I understand what you mean "listed under the append". Can you give me an example? Brent Allen - IBM LAN Systems Integration Services Southlake, TX ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:01:44 on 92/10/22 GMT (by SC025203 at AUSVM8) Subject: Adding Popup menu options Ref: Append at 14:07:46 on 92/10/22 GMT (by IL11901 at OS2CUST) Arthur, With the cursor in the "To" field, try using F4 to access the names list and then use the Find to search either by userid or by name. If you find the person, you can "select" them and send them mail. If you can't find them, either they are accessing the forums from a system other than the OS/2 BBS; or, they never entered their name and "title" when prompted on their first access to the OS/2 BBS, and thus cannot be sent Email. BTW, we are still looking into what it will take to get the OS/2 BBS Email "hooked" into IBMMAIL, which would then allow you to send mail to almost anyone on these forums. Stephen Poole OS/2 Service and Support - IBM Austin, TX ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:40:26 on 92/10/22 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) Subject: multiple desktop folders Having had several occasions to bring my system back from the 'dead', I now find that I have numerous 'OS/2 2.0 Desktop' folders. Just where exactly did I get all these, and, more importantly, which can I get rid of, and HOW? Tim Rice Legislative Information System (Illinois) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:07:04 on 92/10/22 GMT (by SC025203 at AUSVM8) Subject: multiple desktop folders Ref: Append at 15:40:26 on 92/10/22 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) Tim, Can you tell if they are shadows or not? Shredding shadows hurt nothing. Otherwise, I would suggest creating a new folder from templates, and then dragging and dropping all of the extras into that folder. The drag the folder to the Shredder. Stephen Poole OS/2 Service and Support - IBM Austin, TX ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:31:01 on 92/10/22 GMT (by SHAFFERD at WMAVM7) Subject: multiple desktop folders Ref: Append at 15:40:26 on 92/10/22 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) Tim, I encountered multiple desktops on a P70 after installing the SP. All that I can add is be VERY careful when you delete them. I think mine were copies and not shadows. One thing to look for before you start deleting is the active desktop may not be OS!2 2.0 Desktop. On my machine it was OS!2 22.0 Desktop which was active. To make a long story short, I'll be reinstalling! ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 23:36:03 on 92/10/22 GMT (by ANFUSO at STLVM27) Subject: Copying "executable" objects to floppy drive objects I don't usually follow this forum. I hope this isn't a FAQ. Anyway, I have a PS/2 both at home and at work, both running OS/2 2.0. Yesterday, it occurred to me that I should make copies of a couple of the objects on my desktop (standard program objects, such as "Pulse" and the "Calculator") that I had at work but not on my trimmed-down at-home installation. Maybe it's my Mac experience, but I was rather shocked to find that I couldn't just copy such objects onto the "Disk A" object. I checked the online documentation, which said that objects could be copied onto other objects, including drives. It didn't offer the caveat that only certain KINDS of objects (I'm assuming this is the case) could be copied onto floppy drive objects. I understand that an executable object (such as the calculator) probably requires .INI, .EXE, .DLL, and .HLP files to execute properly and that these files might be anywhere in the logical disk structure. It seems to me that if the WPS is going to really be friendly, there might be some way to use the .INI's to keep track of the files an executable object needs to operate, where they are, etc. so that you could move/copy whole executable objects onto the floppy drive icons (making ALL objects transportable). If this is an absurd proposal, I'd like to know why. The Mac seems to pull it off just fine (granted, no .DLLs, etc.). I'm not bashing the WPS (I actually really like it)- just. looking for an explanation! <tom anfuso> ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 23:47:18 on 92/10/22 GMT (by IL11901 at OS2CUST) Subject: Adding Popup menu options Ref: Append at 14:59:12 on 92/10/22 GMT (by BRENT at DALVM41B) The entry under the USERID column Arthur Goikhman -- Soft & GUI Inc ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:12:52 on 92/10/23 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) Subject: multiple desktop folders Ref: Append at 20:31:01 on 92/10/22 GMT (by SHAFFERD at WMAVM7) Mine appear to be actual, not shadows. It appears that the 'real' name of the current desktop is 'OS/2 25.0 Desktop'. The extras can't just be dragged to the shredder, so I created the folder as Stephen suggested. This can go to the shredder, so I guess I'll give it a shot (after a backup). I assume these are created after a rebuild or something, so is there a use for them? What are they good for, and how do I use them? I ask because I recently lost my OS2.INI and have had much trouble getting my desktop back into shape (missing or generic icons, etc.) Thanks. I'll let you know if my system survives. Tim Rice Legislative Information System (Illinois) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:26:02 on 92/10/23 GMT (by GEOFF at RHQVM11) Subject: Settings question... I have put the latest EPM on 2.0 and wanted to change how the initial frame came up. I clicked on SETTINGS, and went to SESSION, and all the buttons (except the HELP button) are greyed out. What would cause this to happen? The program runs fine otherwise, but this is the only place I've seen this. Any help appreciated! Geoff Meissner GEOFF at RHQVM11 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:30:38 on 92/10/23 GMT (by NAAO3IY at HONE81) Subject: Copying "executable" objects to floppy drive objects Ref: Append at 23:36:03 on 92/10/22 GMT (by ANFUSO at STLVM27) Basically, you're right. Yes, it _would_ be cleaner design to be able to copy "abstract objects" (the things that are held in OS2.INI, as you suspected) to a diskette, and, yes, right now, you can't do it. The response from IBM is that they're working on it. Parts of WPS are just a pretty dressing on the 1.x design, and this is a case in point. They just couldn't rewrite _all_ of the system at the same time. (If they had, it would have been Taligent....) John Kennedy, Hoechst Celanese (The OS/2 Hobbit) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 17:44:36 on 92/10/23 GMT (by HDEVORE at BOULDER) Subject: Re: Settings question... Ref: Append at 16:26:02 on 92/10/23 GMT (by GEOFF at RHQVM11) > I clicked on SETTINGS, and went to SESSION, and all >the buttons (except the HELP button) are greyed out. What would cause >this to happen? The program runs fine otherwise, but this is the only >place I've seen this. Any help appreciated! Hm... this would lead me to believe you've not run any other PM applications under OS/2 2.0... All PM programs will have their Sessions settings greyed out. This is because a PM program must do it's own setting of window position and "state" so there's no way for the shell to override it. Current preferred practice for PM programs is to save their window position/state when they are shut down. More info specific to the program in question should be taken to the internal FORUM specific to that program. Hal DeVore Hal_DeVore@vnet.ibm.com IBM Federal Systems Company Space Station DMS Software Development ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 22:05:49 on 92/10/23 GMT (by ABLI001 at OS2CUST) ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 23:07:05 on 92/10/23 GMT (by ABLI001 at OS2CUST) Subject: x This APPEND was deleted at 19:07:05 on 10/23/92 EST. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 01:07:20 on 92/10/25 GMT (by RRKURTZ at PKEDVM9) Subject: multiple desktop folders Ref: Append at 16:12:52 on 92/10/23 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) Along the same lines, how do you determine which is the 'ACTIVE' desktop? I've had 21.0, 22.0, 23.0 and 24.0. Is the highest number always the active or is there some way to determine which it is? Dick Kurtz ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:17:57 on 92/10/26 GMT (by SHAFFERD at WMAVM7) Subject: multiple desktop folders Ref: Append at 16:54:03 on 92/10/26 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) Tim, Another way to delete them is to erase them from the command line. Again a word of caution to delete the directory and it's contents which is not active (hashed). -Shaffer ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:39:15 on 92/10/26 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: multiple desktop folders Ref: Append at 16:54:03 on 92/10/26 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) Be careful ! What you are doing is the easiest way to lose your current desktop (I did it :-( WPS gets often confused as to which object you want to delete since the objects in the "spare" desktops have the same OBJECTIDs as those from the current desktop. Your safest bet is to look in desktop's settings for the current name (path - File tab) and remove this directory from command prompt. Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/10/26 15:35 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:39:26 on 92/10/26 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) Subject: multiple desktop folders Ref: Append at 20:39:15 on 92/10/26 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) I have all of the 'extra' desktops in a separate folder. When I try to delete the whole folder or the individual desktops within it from a command prompt, I get SYS0002: The system cannot find the file specified. Tim Rice Legislative Information System (Illinois) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 22:08:56 on 92/10/26 GMT (by PER518 at OS2CUST) Subject: Drives, icon view, Small icon size Go Team OS/2 I am sure it has been asked a thousand times before but lets make it 1001 Could we please have " details view of a drive with the small icon size set" show a colored folder icon. reasons - 1) lack of color on folder icon in small size slows the selection when txt and command file icons are also mostly white 2) None of the folders in my physical file cabinet are white. 3) I just hate spending all that money for a large color monitor. 4) Windows users find it less easy to use when objects are displayed in monochrome. 5) I just needed a reason to complain about a good product. Thank you Eric Ilsley ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 03:10:16 on 92/10/27 GMT (by LCA at RCHVMV) --- ..... OS2WPS CFORUM modified at 03:27:52 on 92/10/27 GMT (by LCA at RCHVMV) ... Subject: multiple desktop folders Ref: Append at 20:39:26 on 92/10/26 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) Tim, I had a similar problem. I just moved the folder in the NOWHERE directory. Then I deleted the folder from there. It worked for me. LC Abrahams (Lionel) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:37:56 on 92/10/27 GMT (by PWIS110 at OS2CUST) Subject: OS/2 object migrates as half DOS and half OS/2 When using PARSEDB to create a customized database containing an OS/2 object (TYPE OS/2 in the text_database file), the resulting migration creates a DOS icon along with DOS SETTINGS in the "Settings Notebook". The object will not run until manual (mouse) intervention is used to activate one of the OS/2 radio buttons located in the SESSIONS tab of the Settings Notebook. Will the customized migration process be fixed so that TYPE OS/2 creates a pure OS/2 object thus eliminating the need for manual (mouse) intervention? Manual intervention defeats the purpose of creating a customized migration database when many PC's are required to get many OS/2 objects migrated. Secondly, how do you tell PARSEDB to create an OS/2 Window object versus an OS/2 Full Screen object? Same question for DOS objects. G. Monico ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:09:49 on 92/10/27 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) Subject: multiple desktop folders Ref: Append at 03:10:16 on 92/10/27 GMT (by LCA at RCHVMV) --- Lionel, Thanks for the reply. I am puzzled, though. What is the NOWHERE directory? Should I have one, or do I know it by another name? Tim Rice Legislative Information System (Illinois) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:32:15 on 92/10/27 GMT (by CONT00 at LEXVMK) Subject: multiple desktop folders Ref: Append at 20:39:26 on 92/10/26 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) How did you "delete" them ? Did you use RD (remove directory) command ? Did you specify the correct file (path) name EXACTLY as it comes back from DIR ? Did you enclose it in apostrophes (") if it contains blanks ? Gregory Czaja, Lexington 8-545-3311 1992/10/27 10:30 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 15:55:59 on 92/10/27 GMT (by QSAEED at DALHQIC2) Subject: wpclsFindObjectFirst missing parameter If wpclsFindObjectFirst API is used with the addition of another parameter (actually 2nd parm) of type PClass, the API seems to work fine. However, the documentation of this API does not show the use of this parameter. The prototype defined in the WPObject.h does define this patameter. Has anyone noticed this... Any comments/ideas will be appreciated. Qaiser Saeed (T/L 421-8542). ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:41:36 on 92/10/27 GMT (by NAAO3IY at HONE82) Subject: wpclsFindObjectFirst missing parameter Ref: Append at 15:55:59 on 92/10/27 GMT (by QSAEED at DALHQIC2) At the Developers Conference last week in New York, we were told in so many words: "There are errors in WPS API documentation; trust the .h file whenever you find a conflict." John Kennedy, Hoechst Celanese (The OS/2 Hobbit) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:39:36 on 92/10/27 GMT (by KARIUS at WATSON) Subject: Changing color of icon text Ref: Append at 15:54:18 on 92/10/26 GMT (by BOI0006 at OS2CUST) As far as I know you can only change the text color for icons of shadows. To do this you must use the Scheme Palette in the System Setup folder. All of the other icons must have the same text color. You can change the regular icon text by using either the Scheme Palette for the Color Palette. If you use the latter, press the CTRL key when you drag and drop the new color on some icon text. Regards, Matthew Karius Thomas J. Watson Research Center From: Matthew Karius t/l 862-3580 <KARIUS@ORANGE.watson.ibm.com> ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 18:51:22 on 92/10/27 GMT (by LCA at RCHVMV) --- Subject: multiple desktop folders Ref: Append at 15:09:49 on 92/10/27 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) Tim, It is right of the root of the drive with OS/2 (in my case C:). Doing a dir c:\*. displays it. For some reason using Drives, I couldn't see it! I just RMB on the folder I wanted to get it rid off, and selected MOVE. In the MOVE window, I selected PATH and entered c:\nowhere and then pressed the Button MOVE. And presto, never had to worry about it again! Hope this helps LC Abrahams (Lionel) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 20:07:12 on 92/10/27 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) Subject: multiple desktop folders Ref: Append at 18:51:22 on 92/10/27 GMT (by LCA at RCHVMV) --- Lionel, Well, that did just what you said. 'Nowhere' does not show up on my drive list either, but it does with a dir. When I moved the folder with all of the old desktops to Nowhere, my desktop went somewhat crazy. After 2 system errors and 2 reboots, things seem to be OK. Strange thing now is that if I do a dir on Nowhere, it shows everything that I moved into it. So my question is whether it is really gone or just hidden from view? Tim Rice Legislative Information System (Illinois) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 02:53:52 on 92/10/28 GMT (by IL42384 at OS2CUST) Subject: multiple desktop folders Ref: Append at 20:07:12 on 92/10/27 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) Gentlemen, I have had the problem of multiple desktop too. Here's how I removed them and kept the system stable. 1) I reccomend that you first rename the desktop you wish to remove to a name that you can easily remember. This will prevent you from erasing the good desktop. Let's say you called it "BAD". 2) Move the renamed Desktop "BAD" to the root directory of the C drive. This will make it easier to located and remove. 3) Shut down the system and re-boot using the installation diskette. 4) Change to the C: drive. (Note that the boot disk sets the PATH to locate commands from the OS2 directory) 5) Change it to the "BAD" (to be removed) directory. 6) Enter the command ATTRIB -H -S -R *.* 7) Enter the command ERASE *.* 8) Repeat steps 6 and 7 for each sub-directory you find. Some sub-directories are nested so you may need to change from one to another. Keep removing all sub-directories until you have the directory "BAD" empty To remove the sub-directory enter the command RD name_of_directory 9) Change to the Root directory and remove the "BAD" directory. 10) AT this point you have removed the directory. I advice doing a little house keeping. Change back to the A: drive and enter the command CHKDSK C: /F:2 (Repeat this command two time. It really is easy, just a lot of steps. What I did to make this easy (automatic) was to write a simple batch file,(remember DOS) that repeats all the steps I would have done manually. The trick is to use a common name for the renamed desktop. By the way I also tried placing the desktop in Nowhere. Which made the desktop exist somewhere. My trick does work and appears to be safe. Hope this helps. If you need any more info feel free to call me. Jerry Sitbon (718) 357-4369 ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 13:13:36 on 92/10/28 GMT (by UDSS013 at HONE82) Subject: COPYING PART OF THE DESKTOP... Ref: Append at 18:40:55 on 92/10/08 GMT (by PWIS110 at OS2CUST) There is an update to the REXX DLLs that will allow you to issue the SysCreateObject API. This will be a WPS object on the machine that executes the REXX exec. To make this process easier, I wrote a program that will create a specification for WPS objects and build the objects. You create a file that looks like: create folder "LAN Applications" begin icon appsfold.ico end { create program "OS/2 Window:1" begin exe * sess os2win end create program "OS/2 Fullscreen:1" begin exe * dir c:\data sess os2fullscreen end } etc, etc. I will allow you to nest the folders within the folders. It will fully qualify the program names if they are in the PATH, etc. You could have your users run my program against this file or create your own REXX program to do it. The catch is that if you users are on the GA code, they will not have the REXX DLLs with the SysCreateObject API. I will upload my code to CompuServe tonight. It's called BuildSOM.CMD. The CIS file will be called BDSOM1.ZIP. ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 16:35:53 on 92/10/28 GMT (by QSAEED at DALHQIC2) Subject: wpclsFindObjectFirst missing parameter. John- Thank you for sharing the info. However, if I go by what is in the .h file, then there is no documentation of how this parameter should be used. What I am trying to find out is the function of this parameter. Any comments/ideas will be appreciated. Thanks, Qaiser Saeed. (T/L 421-8542). ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 00:32:51 on 92/10/29 GMT (by SC025203 at AUSVM8) Subject: multiple desktop folders Ref: Append at 15:09:49 on 92/10/27 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) Tim, I still suggest using the Shredder. It is not suseptible to the error you get from the command line. And as long as you have your system backed up, you can recover. Actually, I think the worst that could happen is that you would have to use the ALT-F1 trick at boot time to rebuild your desktop. There is a chance that taking the folder full of icons to the Shredder may be the last you see of them, with no other harmful affects. Yes, it is possible that you may lose your desktop and have to rebuild or restore. But there is also a good chance you will not have to rebuild. Stephen Poole OS/2 Service and Support - IBM Austin, TX ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 19:37:22 on 92/10/29 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) Subject: multiple desktop folders Ref: Append at 00:32:51 on 92/10/29 GMT (by SC025203 at AUSVM8) Stephen, I'm with you on the preferredmethod of dragging to the shredder, but at this point I have a couple of problems. First, I created a folder on the desktop and dragged all of the extra desktops into it. I was then able to drag that folder to the shredder, but then I got a long string of messages that certain items (Scheme palette, Color palette, icon.ICO, Drive A, Drive B, Drive C, Drive D, Network printer, Printer, Network, Minimized Window Viewer) were non-deleteable, to which I had to reply Cancel. This string was repeated several times, and then when it was all over, the folder was still there, and all the desktops were still inside. Second, I tried the suggested technique of moving that folder to \nowhere. The folder was readily moved, but a dir from the command prompt shows that it is all still there in \nowhere. Since \nowhere is apparently unknown to the WPS, I appear to be left with attempting to manually delete each desktop with its subdirectories with their subdirectories with their subdirectories . . . . AUGH! (Sorry if this append appears twice. I entered it several hours ago, but it seems to have not taken.) Tim Rice Legislative Information System (Illinois) ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 22:24:53 on 92/10/29 GMT (by VCNEIL at SYDVM1) Subject: SOFTERM from a cmd file In reference to my previous append concerning the batch running of Softerm, does really no one know of anything that can help answer this question ? Neil Wilson ----- OS2WPS CFORUM appended at 02:39:46 on 92/10/30 GMT (by LCA at RCHVMV) --- Subject: multiple desktop folders Ref: Append at 20:07:12 on 92/10/27 GMT (by IL22458 at OS2CUST) Tim, A dir on my NOWHERE does not show anything. Also I did not have the problems you mentionned when I did move the "undeletable" folder there. At least these objects are out of sight ;-). By the way, do they show up taking space on the harddisk or are they all EA's? LC Abrahams (Lionel)